1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein sex assault cases finally going to trial with 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: two victims to testify in front of the jury, plus 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: similar transaction victims. Eighty women accused Weinstein of sex harassment, assault, 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: or rape. Finally it's the trial date. It's happening. Now 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: it's time to pay the piper. You dance to the music, 6 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: and now it's time to pay the band. Harvey Weinstein 7 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace just screeched. Former Hollywood movie 8 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: mogul Harvey Weinstein is going to trial more than two 9 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: years after being accused by more than eighty women of 10 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: sexual harassment, assault, or rape. A pre trial hearing is set, 11 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: followed by jury selection on five sex crime charges. Weinstein 12 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: has denied all allegations, saying any sexual relations were consensual, 13 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: telling CNN, my main focus has been proving my innocence 14 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: and clearing my name. The case heading to a New 15 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: York City courtroom centering on allegations made by two of 16 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: the women. That doesn't mean that the prosecution can't get 17 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: in other facts, other evidence tending to support the fact that, look, 18 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: this guy is a serial sexual predator. He's done it before, 19 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: he would do it again. The prosecution hoping to paint 20 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: that picture for the jury by calling four additional accusers 21 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: to the stand. A smiling Harvey Weinstein arise at court 22 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: using his walker as his trial on charge of rape 23 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: and sex assault are set to begin with me an 24 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: all star panel and investigative reporter Crime online dot Com 25 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: Dave mcdave Matt, what's happening? Weinstein is accused of some 26 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: of the most vile things I've ever heard of in 27 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: my life as a husband, father of daughters. He just 28 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: creeps me out. So he's finally going to court, and 29 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: he actually was originally going to face three charges from 30 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: three separate women. One of those was thrown out, and 31 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: he'll be facing two. One is an anonymous woman who 32 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: has made a case against him, and then Mimi Hallai, 33 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: who has been very very public about her accusation. Listen, 34 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein will face an army of 35 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: accusers when his rape trial opens. As many as eighty women, 36 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: including some major stars, are expected to attend as the 37 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: historic trial unfolds. I just feel that if he saw 38 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: all of us together, how could he possibly not have 39 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: a moment of reckoning. Three of those accusers who call themselves. 40 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: The silence breakers are speaking to Inside Edition today. They 41 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: are Caitlin Delaney, Catherine Kendall, and Larissa Gomes. How do 42 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: you feel about being in the same room with the 43 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: man who assaulted and terrorized you. On the one hand, 44 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: it's terrifying because I think that every time I see 45 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: his face, even to this day, I feel some kind 46 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: of trigger and some kind of emotion. I've seen him 47 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: by accident a couple of times where I run into 48 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: him and my knees started to tremble, and I felt 49 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: like I just had to leave immediately. I felt really 50 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: intimidated and unsafe. You are hearing our for an Inside Edition. 51 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: We know that Mimi Leia, in her twenties at the 52 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: time of the alleged attack, in an unnamed victim. The 53 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: jury's going to hear from them. We also know that 54 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: so called similar transactions will be brought in it trial. 55 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: You were earlier hearing our friend Marcy Gonzalez at ABC's 56 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: GMA in a Nutshell, Kathleen Murphy, what are similar transactions? 57 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: The prior behaviors and acts of other victims who can 58 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: come into court. Although the statute of limitations may have 59 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: run on an ability to charge Weinstein with these charges. 60 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: They're coming in to say he did the very same 61 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: thing to me, and that pattern of behavior is indicative 62 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: of current behavior. He held me down on the bed. 63 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: I tried to get away, tried to get him off 64 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: of me, and kept asking him to stop, but it 65 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: was impossible. I remember Harvey afterwards rolling over onto his 66 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: back saying, don't you feel we're so much closer to 67 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: each other now, to which I replied no. The next 68 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: thing I knew, he had unzipped his fly and pulled 69 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: out his penis. My heart started pounding, My mind started racing. 70 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: How do I deal with this? How do I get 71 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: out of this? Am I going to get out of this? 72 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: You are hearing a montage of various women. There are 73 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: many more accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. That was Mimi 74 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Jileia and Heather Kerr talking about their sex attack Hollywood 75 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: Hanto Harvey Weinstein pleading not guilty to an indictment adding 76 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: two charges to his New York trial. Prosecutors argued the 77 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: indictment will now open the door for Remember the hit 78 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: show on HBO Sopranos, The actress Annabella Siora from the 79 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: Sopranos to testify against him in the sex assault case 80 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: right now. To Leavipage Crime online dot com investigative reporter 81 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Levi's it All about, Annabella Siora, has is going to 82 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: be used as a prior bad act witness. She claims 83 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: that in the nineties that he sexually assaulted her one 84 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: time after they had a business meeting in New York City, 85 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: that he forced his way into her apartment and violently 86 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: raped her, and then after that rape, that he sexually 87 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: harassed her in the workplace for years and this has 88 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: caused her so much trauma and distress that she now 89 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: sleeps with a baseball bat at her side. This is 90 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: one of the more horrific tales of sexual assault that 91 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: he's allegedly committed, and she is going to expected to 92 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: testify against him as a prior bad act as a 93 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 1: similar circumstances to the new allegations that have been leveled 94 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: against him. As you heard, Levi describes yours has once 95 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: seeing raped her inside her Manhattan apartment after she started 96 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: in a film for him for his movie studio in 97 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: the nineties. Now, prosecutors could not charge him with the 98 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: attack on Shiora because of the time statute of limitations, 99 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: but this new indictment will allow them to call her 100 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: as a witness. What about it? To Troy slighton renowned 101 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: defense turning out of LA similar transactions, that's what they 102 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: are called under the law prior bad acts, Nancy. This 103 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: is a way for prosecutors to make an end run 104 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: around the constitution and bring in charges that they would 105 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: not otherwise be able to bring because their time barred 106 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: by the law. In this case, the judge had previously 107 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: ruled that the allegations that Amabellashiora had made about an 108 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: attack in nineteen ninety three could not be brought before 109 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the grand jury. She was barred from testifying before the 110 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: grand jury because these claims are too old. And there's 111 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: a good reason why we don't bring claims that are 112 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: twenty thirty years old against somebody. It's because they're too 113 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: hard to defend. People's memories fade, things get lost. That's 114 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: such bs. You know, in most jurisdictions there's no time 115 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: limit on similar transactions. So maybe in your jurisdiction out 116 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: in LA there's a time limit, but not so in 117 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: the majority of jurisdictions across the country. Especially when there 118 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: is a finger print crime. And what I mean by 119 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: that to forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober, According to all 120 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: of these women, it's the same thing over and over 121 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: and over. Hey, you want to part in my movie, 122 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: Come and talk to me about it. The nice female 123 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: secretary assistant knows darnwell what's going on in ushers. They 124 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: fly into the spider web where she's ripe. Same thing. 125 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Let's go back to your apartment, talk about your career. 126 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: She's raped. It goes on and on and on. Is 127 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: a fingerprint crime? He always does the same thing, doctor Brober. 128 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't the jury here about it? It shows a 129 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: pattern of conduct that is so similar that that is 130 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: his mo and so in cases like this it is 131 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: admissible for that reason. John Cardillo joining me, former NYPD, 132 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: what do you know about Weinstein? So interesting? Nancy. Back 133 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, I was doing some consulting 134 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: producer work with a very well known television producer for 135 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: one of the larger networks. We were looking at a 136 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: series about sexual predators and how law enforcement will track them. 137 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: It was a bit gritty, so it never got picked up. 138 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: But I was in the car myself this producer again 139 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: a household name and a retired LAPD detective, and the 140 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: producer said, we were talking about the pervasive problem of 141 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: sex abuse in Hollywood, and this is ten years ago. 142 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: He said, I don't know how Harvey Weinstein isn't in 143 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: jail for the most of his life. And the agent 144 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: said to me, he goes, yeah, you know, we've tried, 145 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: but this guy is a horrible person. He destroys careers. 146 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: The LAPD Task Force had info on an NYPD and 147 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: he'd just going back ten years now. They said they 148 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: had witnesses, but like the stories were hearing today, he 149 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: would destroy their careers preemptively and then continue not just 150 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: to harass them now again this is anecdotal, but also 151 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: harass their friends, their family, destroy careers in the business 152 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: of people that would even go and have a coffee 153 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: with them to console them. This is before this was 154 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: ever in the headline. So when this all came out, 155 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't surprising to me. It comported with what I 156 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: was told ten years ago by a very reputable source, 157 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: and the stories that they told me then about him 158 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: are almost identical today. I have to say, as a 159 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: former investigator, I believe every one of his victims, because 160 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: people as high profile as Annabella Siora have nothing to 161 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: gain by coming out and telling the stories in the 162 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: way they're telling crime stories with Nancy Grace. I was 163 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: sitting on the bed talking to Harvey when he pushed 164 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: me back and forced himself onto me. It was not consensual. 165 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: He did not use a condom. Once he excused himself 166 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, and he came back in 167 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: nothing but a robe. Obviously his whole demeanor changed. He's 168 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: holding my forearm pretty forcefully, and we're both now standing 169 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: in front of the mirror, and he just keeps saying, 170 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: just watch me, just watch me masturbate. And I waked up, 171 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he takes his pants 172 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: down and starts doing his stuff, and I hate blocking 173 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: the door. I can't get out. And then he says, 174 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, you're a really nice girl. You shouldn't tell 175 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: anybody about that. You are hearing a montage of various women. 176 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: There aren't any more accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. Welcome back, 177 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: I mean, and see Grace. This is crime stories. Harvey 178 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Weinstein sex assault cases finally going to trial. Now. Some 179 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: people are claiming that there has been police misconduct. The 180 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: only police misconduct I found so far, anyway, is that 181 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: it took them so long to bring charges. They even 182 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: had one victim on tape trying to fight Harvey Weinstein off. 183 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, what do we have to 184 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: do here. I'm gonna take a shower, you sue bear 185 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: and have a drink and I stay on the bar. Now. Please, 186 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything with you. I'm sorry. I don't 187 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: but yesterday it was a kind of aggressive for I 188 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: need to know a person. I want to do a 189 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: thing I don't think. Please, I swear I won't just 190 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: sit with me. Don't embarrass me in the hotel. I'm 191 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: here all the time, so please sit there, please one minute, please, 192 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to do something. I don't want to 193 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: go to the bad can listen to me. I want 194 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: to go. Donstairs, not going to do anything. You'll ever 195 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: see me again after this if you never you embarrass 196 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: me in this hotel. I'm not embarrassing you. It's just 197 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: that I don't want them feel comfortable. I mean, you 198 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: don't have to pay with me at please, I'm not 199 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: going to do anything. I swear my children please come 200 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: in on every day. I'm a famous guy. You're being 201 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: very comfortable as coming now and one minute and if 202 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: you want to leave when the guy comes with my 203 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: midday you touch mine? Grease, Please, I'm sorry, you just 204 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: come on. I'm used today. You're used to that. No, 205 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: but I'm not used to that again. Please. No, I 206 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: don't want to embarrassed me again. I'm sorry, I know, 207 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: but yes, I was too great. I mean, I will 208 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: never do another thing to you five minutes. Don't love 209 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: your friendship with me for five minutes. I know, but 210 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's too much for you. Kind Please, 211 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: you're making a big scene here, but I want to. Oh, 212 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: my skin is crawling. John Cardillo, your former nypad, what 213 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: do you make of New York prosecutors having one victim 214 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: wired and having Weinstein trying to caught on audio tape 215 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: trying to force himself onto her or sexually and they 216 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't process. It wasn't them. I blame, I squarely blame. 217 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: And I know some of the investigators on this case, 218 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: former colleagues of mine Manhattan Da Cyrus Vans, who I 219 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: feel through this case and I'll say it through this 220 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: case because Weinstein was a big donor, and Weinstein's lawyer 221 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: was a big donor to his particular political party. Weinstein's 222 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: lawyer donated to his campaign. Weinstein hung out with the 223 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: New York elite that Sivans needed to stay in office, 224 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: and the Special Victims detectives on this case were absolutely livid. 225 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: They were infuriated to the point where they wanted to 226 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: shut down helping the DA's office. But they get in. 227 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Their professionals and their other victims deserve justice, but to 228 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: a person, to a man and woman in a Special 229 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: Victims unit and their commanders, they were infuriated at the 230 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: way the DA dropped this case. Let me just add this, 231 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: the New York City Police Department Special Victims Unit has 232 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: some of the most talented, proficient profession detectives in the world. 233 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: They don't present cases to the DA's office unless they 234 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: are one sure those cases could be made. So again, 235 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: they were livid about the long story short, understand this, Cardillo. 236 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't blame the SVU. I don't blame the detectives. 237 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: They're the ones that wired her up. They're the ones 238 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: that bent over backwards, did somersaults, did flips to try 239 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: to get him, and they did get him. It all 240 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: came to a screeching halt in the District Attorney's office 241 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: where no one would take it to trial, and they 242 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing. Dave Mack, What is the alleged police 243 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: misconduct we're talking about? It actually centers around the case 244 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: accusations of Lucia Evans. She was originally part of this trial, 245 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: but one of the detectives allegedly gave instructions to a 246 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: friend of miss regarding her comments that the relationship between 247 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein and Lucia Evans was actually consensual, and the 248 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: detective suggested that she get rid of some of those 249 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: text messages and voicemails that might be indicative of such 250 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: a relationship. That's what actually caused the Lucia Evans part 251 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: of this trial to be set aside and to move 252 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: forward with the other two. Take a listen to this 253 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: our friends at CBS. She had accused the movie producer 254 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: of forcing her to perform oral sex during a meeting 255 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: at his office back in two thousand and four, but 256 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: the single charge was dropped by the judge after the 257 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: court unsealed a letter Manhattan prosecutors wrote to Weinstein's lawyer 258 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: last month about new evidence uncovered. A witness claims NYPD 259 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: detective Nicholas Degaudio coached her to stay silent about evidence, 260 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: partially contradicting evans account of the sex assault allegation, allegedly 261 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: telling her less is more. Prosecutors also recently obtained an 262 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: email Evans rode in twenty fifteen to a man she 263 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: later married. They say that account differs from the one 264 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: she provided to investigators. The NYPD says an internal affairs 265 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: investigation over the allegations against the detective began a week 266 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: ago and he is now off the case. The overall 267 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: criminal case against mister Weinstein remained strong. The evidence is compelling. 268 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: There are five remaining counts in the indictment, including predatory 269 00:18:34,440 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: sexual assault. Crime stories with Nancy Grace welcome back, I 270 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: mean and see Grace. This is crime stories. Harvey Weinstein's 271 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: sex assault cases finally going to trial with two victims 272 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: to testify in front of the jury, plus similar transaction 273 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: victims Lucia Evans case. It's not part of this now. 274 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: Some people are claiming that their hasbian police misconduct. All right, 275 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: these are called similar transactions. You don't believe, Lucia Evans. 276 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: Listen then I went to cans in May two fourteen, 277 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: and whilst I was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in 278 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: the majestics in the lobby. It was quite forceful in 279 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: the sense of telling me to relax, and I think 280 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: then I started to like get a little bit confused. 281 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: He took hold of me and pretty much forced me 282 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: to w'll with him to the ballroom, where he stood 283 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: me in front of the mirror. Take us to the 284 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: moment that you knew you were in trouble with him. Well, 285 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: I had met him in New York previously, and we 286 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: had been in touch about an audition for a Quentin 287 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: Tarantino film, and I had submitted it to LA and 288 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: then I ran back into him later. And that's when 289 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: I met with him at the Peninsula when I had 290 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: moved to the West Coast. So I really didn't know 291 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: anything about the Peninsula, like if he was staying there. 292 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: I thought we were meeting at the bar, which we did, 293 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: and then he told me, Okay, we're going to my 294 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: room now. After a few minutes of conversation about movie roles. 295 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: So then we go up to the suite and I 296 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: realized he kind of like has a place there and 297 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: he offers me champagne, and it was very similar to 298 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: her story that he just is very dominant, persuasive, does 299 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: not back down if you say no, and kind of 300 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: just forced me into doing something I didn't want to do. 301 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable, but you know, 302 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: some some people here forced oral sex and they think 303 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: how right? Like how it did he hold you down? 304 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Could you just help us understand that I feel like 305 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: it was a coercive thing, just that he wouldn't let 306 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: it up, that he that it was just going to 307 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: happen no matter how hard I refused, And did you 308 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: said no? How did it end? Did you? How did 309 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: you leave the hotel room? Um? It just that I 310 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: left after pretty much he was done with whatever he 311 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: intended to do, so I just left after. I don't 312 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: know how to put it. Jeff. Let me ask Jeff, 313 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: because he's there with you. Your lawyer. Um, you filed, 314 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: you filed the first lawsuit against them, and it's not 315 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: Harvey in particular, it's the Weinstein Company, and I'm wondering, Well, first, 316 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: let me ask you domine do you did you ever 317 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: report it to the Weinstein Company or to the board 318 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: I did not because I had heard a lot of 319 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: stories about his behavior in the past, and I just 320 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, I was an actress looking for a break 321 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: and he's a gatekeeper, and I felt that he used 322 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: his position, you know, to try to make me do 323 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: something that is not in accord with how I usually behave. 324 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: You were just then hearing actress Dominique Hewitt speaking to 325 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: Making Kelly. Earlier, you heard Cardi and Noble describing weinstey 326 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: sex assault on her in a majestic hotel in France. 327 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 1: You know, it just never ends with this guy. And 328 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: in the last hours there's going to be questions why 329 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: has it taken victims so long to come forward? You 330 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: know what, That's a good question, and that is a 331 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: question that the girars are going to ask. It's such 332 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: a good question that I would fight that question before 333 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: it came into the girars minds. As a matter of fact, 334 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to you, Askey Wilcott, we have under the law what 335 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: is called outcry, an outcry witness That means did your 336 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: rape victim tell someone immediately, be it a friend, a doctor, 337 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: a nurse, the emergency room, a boyfriend, her mom, a roommate, anybody. 338 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: Why because that adds credibility to their rape claim, because 339 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: there's going to be questions. Under our constitution, you have 340 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: a right to cross examination, to confront your witness as 341 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: a sixth amendment, confront your accuser and test them, test 342 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: their veracity, their truthfulness. That's what they're going to ask 343 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: the victims, Ashley, what took you so long to come forward? Absolutely, 344 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: And so there are a couple of points here. First 345 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: of all, it's amazing to me, Nancy, how many kids 346 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: are victims of sexual abuse and the outcry, which is correct, 347 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: there should be an outcry. But then as soon as 348 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: a child turns eighteen and quote unquote becomes an adult, 349 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: at least the state of Georgia, then they do start 350 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: picking apart the victim and saying, how is she dressed, 351 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: how many men is she had sex with? What is 352 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: she doing to encourage the behavior? That's the wrong approach. 353 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: These are victims, they're victims that victims should never be shamed. 354 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: They should always be believed, unless their credibility and veracity 355 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: is destroyed at trial, like you've just suggested as possible 356 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: by asking all those questions. In this particular case, remember 357 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: that victims are embarrassed, they're ashamed. It is a mental 358 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: challenge after being a victim to think clearly and rationally 359 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: and say I need to come forward. I was raped yesterday. 360 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: That's not how it works generally, and so victims often 361 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: don't come forward until later. And then there's an empowerment 362 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: if you hear that somebody says, oh, I came forward 363 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: because I was raped by this man who's very powerful 364 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, then they're empowered to say, wow, it happened 365 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: to me too. Maybe I need to put all my 366 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: trauma aside and come forward as well. I think that 367 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: the state, Doctor Bethany's got to do some repair in 368 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: it's opening statement and state upfront, you will hear evidence. 369 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: It can't just be what the prosecutor thinks. It got 370 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: to be about the evidence. You will hear evidence that 371 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: these victims did not come forward because they thought it 372 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: would end their career, that never be in another movie again. 373 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: They would be destroyed, and we're going to bring evidence 374 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: that some victims careers were destroyed. Thank Ashley Judd. According 375 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: to what we've been told, Doctor Bethany, they've got to 376 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: put this fire out before it starts raging. In that courtroom. 377 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: But also they have to paint a picture that being 378 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: sexually involved with another person is very intimate. It involves 379 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: intimate emotions and experiences that even victims find it difficult 380 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: to expose. So maybe the victim goes into the hotel 381 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: room with a history of having been aggressed upon by 382 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: other people in their lives, so they believe it's normal 383 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: to be aggressed upon, so they capitulate to the aggressor. 384 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: Or maybe they go into it maybe feeling admired or 385 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: flattered that a powerful, wealthy older man is showing them 386 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: attention until it all goes wrong and it turns into 387 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: a rape scene, but they remember that little sliver of 388 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: time when at first it was tittilating, or maybe even 389 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: though they didn't want to be raped, they experienced some 390 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of sexual arousal temporarily. So all things well, I 391 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, Bethany Marshall, because well, 392 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: and I was just listening to that model, going no, no, no, 393 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: she did not sound, as you say, tittilated to me 394 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: with me. Karen Smith, forensics expert, Karen, there's really unless 395 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: you've got a like a a Monica Lewinsky blue dress 396 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: saved in a plastic bag somewhere. I don't know what 397 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: physical evidence you could use to prove these cases. There's 398 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: not a lot. We're talking, you know, sometimes decades have 399 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: gone by, so there's not going to be any physical 400 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: EVI and Senny forensics to prove or disprove the allegations. 401 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: It's just the veracity of the victim at this point. 402 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: And you know, like the attorney said, this is strength 403 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: in numbers. You know, when you have a victim that 404 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: comes forward immediately, I can collect the clothing, I can 405 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: collect samples from you know, her body when we go 406 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: to the rape crisis center, under her fingernails and we 407 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: take swabs, and it's you know what, it's a second 408 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: traumatic incident for these women to go through that yet again. 409 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: They've been victimized once. Now they have to go to 410 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: a rape crisis center and essentially get victimized again. I 411 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: shine lights on them, you know, I have to take photographs. 412 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: It's another intimate issue when we go there. I've held 413 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: their hands, I've talked to them while they're crying, and 414 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: you know what, this just it incenses me to hear 415 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: that the victims are are put on posts to prove 416 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: that this happened to them, and unfortunately, the forensics just 417 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: aren't going to be there for some of these cases. 418 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: All the women are climbing their careers, they were afraid 419 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: their careers would stall or end. Some of them did 420 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: have a career stall or end. That's what Ashley Jed 421 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: says happened to her. She battled through it and did 422 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: not give into Weinstein. And it is still a concern 423 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: with claims right now. To doctor Bethany Marshall, I mean, 424 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: women will be attacked or harassed and they don't say 425 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: anything because they think they may lose their job, right, 426 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: and then some women are attacked and harassed and they 427 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: do lose their job, like with Harvey Weinstein. So what 428 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: I think is so incredible about this is you know 429 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: that rapists are divided into very specific typologies, and one 430 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: typology is the power rapist, the one who has a 431 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: personality disorder, takes a hold of the victim, rapes the 432 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: victim without any regard for what's going on in the 433 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: victim's mind. It's not that there's a vendetta or necessarily 434 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: even that is driven by sexual desire, but it's driven 435 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: by the ability to have power over the victim, and 436 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: there's no empathy. And this kind of offender relates to 437 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: people in that particular way in every aspect of their lives. 438 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: So just like he cuckolded, as one of the actresses said, 439 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: he says, look, don't embarrass me. He shames, he beseeches, 440 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: he pleads, he does everything possible to get his way, 441 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: and the offending type pattern is the same with each 442 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: of these women. Now he's acting it out through his attorneys. 443 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy grace Well, one of Weinstein's defense attorney, 444 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: says she plans to show that though he's made mistakes, 445 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: he is not a criminal. I am not the moral 446 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: police on Harvey Weinstein. That's not my job. It's not 447 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: the jury's job either. If they really look at the 448 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: evidence it's going to be presented to them, I think 449 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: they're going to find him at guilty. It's still unclear 450 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: whether Weinstein plans to testify, the sixty seven year old 451 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: telling CNN. Since becoming the first focus of the Me 452 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: Too movement, he's been in therapy, calling the past two 453 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: years grueling and a great opportunity for self reflection, refusing 454 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: to say whether he feels empathy for the dozens of accusers. 455 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: I think it's very important for them to get closure 456 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: and for them really to have their day in court. 457 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: But the me Too movement will be here regardless of 458 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: what happens with this trial, and Weinstein faces a maximum 459 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: of life in prison if convicted. If he's found not guilty, 460 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: Weinstein tells CNN he hopes to do something positive, focus 461 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: on his children, and possibly rebuild a career in the 462 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: movie industry. You are hearing our friend Marcy Gonzalez at 463 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: ABC's GMA Welcome Back, I'm me and c Grace. This 464 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Harvey Weinstein's sex assault case is finally 465 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: going to trial with two victims to testify in front 466 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: of the jury, plus similar transaction victims. Thank to you, 467 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: Dave Mac. How many women are going to testify, How 468 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: many victims and how many similar transactions for women are 469 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: scheduled to testify? Who all have similar cases that maybe 470 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: couldn't be presented because the statute of limitations had gone out, 471 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: But they're going to be able to share their stories. 472 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: And each one of these stories is very, very similar. 473 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein had an mo and all of these women. 474 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: If you just look at the cases over eighty women 475 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: have already come forward, and that's what we're going to 476 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: hear in this court case. That's why having four women 477 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: testify pretty much that he did the same thing to 478 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: them that he's being accused of by Mimi Hille and 479 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: this other woman, the jury is going to have to 480 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: see the similarities. You know, Nancy, when we look at 481 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: the raw numbers associated with the Harvey Weinstein case, you're 482 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: talking over eighty women, many of them still anonymous, but 483 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: still have made legitimate complaints against Harvey Weinstein. But it 484 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: boils down to a select few that they can actually 485 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: bring to trial. And in this particular case, we started 486 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: out with three, two of them Lucia Evans and Mimi 487 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: Hilla and another anonymous. Well, Lucia Evans case was thrown out, 488 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: and now it's Mimi Hilla and this one other anonymous woman. 489 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: There will be many more that come to watch the trial. 490 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: They call themselves the silence Breakers. It was actually Times 491 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: Person of the Year in twenty seventeen. Three of the 492 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: silence breakers that are going to be in the trial 493 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: every day watching Kaitlyn Delaney, Katherine Kendall, and Larissa Golms. 494 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: Each one of them has a complaint against Harvey Weinstein. 495 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: Whether they will actually have their day in court remains 496 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: to be seen, but they will be there to be 497 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: supportive of women like Mimi Jilla and the others who 498 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: have yet to put their names out there yet for 499 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: their own reasons to point out that this has got 500 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: to stop. Well, another thing that's going to happen, Doctor 501 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall will renounce, like co analyst out of Beverly 502 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. They this is 503 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: going to attack the victims and drag them through the 504 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: mud and make it make out that they're lying. What 505 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: do you expect to happen, doctor Bethany, Well, see, what 506 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: happens with victims is that sometimes they will capitulate to 507 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: the perpetrator and then sometimes they will resist. So Harvey 508 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: Weinstein probably groomed his victims over time before he sexually 509 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: assaulted them. And so with each victim, there's going to 510 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: be plenty of evidence that could point to the fact 511 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: that it was consensual or they were going along with him, 512 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: but they didn't know what they were going along with. 513 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: They didn't know where this would lead. And Nancy Harvey 514 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: Weinstein on the walker. Did you see that? It reminds 515 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: me of Michael Jackson. You remember when he showed up 516 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: to court all disheveled and said he was in his 517 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: pajamas and he had been bitten by a spider. You 518 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: covered that extensive leader. I've forgotten the part where he 519 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: claimed he was bitten by a spider. I'm so glad 520 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: you reminded me of that. Go ahead. It was a 521 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: spidey bite. And you know, I remember on your show 522 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: at the time talking about the fact that these perpetrators, 523 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: they will perpetrate, perpetrate perpetrator. They'll go on for years, 524 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: they will get everybody to clude with them, but when 525 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: they finally are brought to justice, they fall apart. It's 526 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: a very typical thing. Now, they may be pretending to 527 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: fall apart more than they really are. I don't know. 528 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: I know he's had back surgery. But they're great and 529 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: happy when they're in power and everybody else's being subjucated 530 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: to their evil ways. But when the worm turns and 531 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: the judge and society is in power, then they begin 532 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: to decompensate and fall apart. So they want us to 533 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: believe that all the women are lying. Thank to you, 534 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what's the latest of Weinstein? Nancy. In a 535 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: shocking turn of events, shortly after the first day of 536 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's New York sex crimes trial concluded, the Los 537 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacy announced that Weinstein has 538 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: been charged with raping one woman and sexually assaulting another 539 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: in separate incidents over a two day period in two 540 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. Harvey Weinstein charged with one felony count each 541 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: of forcible rape, forcible oral copulation, sexual penetration by use 542 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: of force, and sexual battery by restraint. An arrayment will 543 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: be scheduled for a later date. The details are this. 544 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: On February eighteenth, twenty thirteen, Harvey Weinstein allegedly went to 545 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: a hotel and raped a woman after pushing his way 546 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: inside her room. The next night, Harvey Weinstein is accused 547 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: of sexually assaulting a woman at a hotel suite in 548 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Prosecutors are recommending bail be set at five 549 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: million dollars. If convicted, Harvey Weinstein faces up to twenty 550 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: eight years in state prison. We wait as justice unfolds. 551 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray crime story signing off good bye friend,