1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: You can buy your Allegedly and my Voice mugs, T shirts, 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: dot com. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: That's right. Get your hoodies, your T shirts. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: And your mugs all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: It's me Carlos kings the King of Reality TV and 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: tweeting about. 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Hey, Ryan Jobs. 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: On today's episode of Reality with the King, Kate and 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: I are going to dissect the mind of Monica. 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: Me and Kate. 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of the time agree on everything. 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: The best thing about this conversation is I am talking 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: to a woman who is like Carlos, I disagree with 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: you wholeheartedly. So Kate just like utilize like the season 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: the three part reunion, the breaking news that Monica is 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: not coming back to next season, and. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: If you felt that was the right. 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: Choice, I thought it was the right choice. 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: And I like that they're wording was you know for 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: right now because it does open the door maybe there 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: is there, it will be an opportunity in the future. 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: But I think for this moment in time, they need 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: to take a break from her, and she needs a 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: break from TV. She needs to recalibrate and figure out 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: do I want to be on a TV show as 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: myself or do I want to continue trying to be 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: a character. And if she wants to be a character, 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 4: she has to pursue scripted work and not unscripted work. 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: That's her hiccup right now, and I thought that very 38 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: early into the show. I'm like, this is not somebody 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 4: who's really portraying her real self. She's clearly has an 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: issue with lying, but she's I don't know who this 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: person is, and I don't know if I'm going to 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: get to know who the. 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: Real person is. So that was my hiccup with her 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: from the beginning. 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: But I think that right now she needs a break 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 4: from TV, but they also need a break from her too, 47 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 4: And also most importantly, and I think you could feel 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: that I'm assuming watching last Night that the idea of 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: somebody infiltrating a show as a super fans stalker dilutes 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 4: the brand a bit, because the idea do you have 51 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: being on a Real Housewife is like, you're glamorous, you 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 4: have access to really interesting people, you live in a 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 4: beautiful home, you have this beautiful lifestyle. And she did 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 4: not fit a lot of those boxes to begin with, 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 4: and then to find out she was like this super troll. 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: It gets a little TLC if you will, And I 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: don't think that that's what the network really wants. It 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: should not be an attainable job. It should be unattainable, 59 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: which is why we want to watch because it's so 60 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: dissimilar to our life. 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so I disagree with you, And this is why 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: I watch Salt Lake City this season because our mutual 63 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: friend Eliza Roseen, she texts me literally, Casey said, girl, 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: you need to watch Salt Lake City because I was 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: not watching it. And what I fell in love about 66 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: this season Kate, I felt like I was getting the remonica. 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: I felt like her exposing the trials and tribulations with 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: her mom was something I felt like that show was 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: missing because you and I both loved real story. 70 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I really. 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: I fell in love with her instantly after sort of 72 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: seeing her navigate the relationship with her mom and seeing 73 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: how her mom reminded me of like the Latin version 74 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: of like Mama Joys, you know, or like Mama d 75 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: On Dallas, like those those very opinionating mothers who say 76 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: things that make you like, oh shit, this woman really 77 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: maybe like off her rocker. 78 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: A little bit, but I really did enjoy that. 79 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 2: And I never felt that Monica was playing a character, Kate. 80 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: I did feel like Monica understood the assignment the way 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: Kenya Moore understood her assignment when she came on the 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: show Atlanta Housewives season five and kind of like twirled 83 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: her way onto it. I thought Monica was smart to say, 84 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: I'm going to expose myself, which we'll get to that 85 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: because that it's irony within that. 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: But when she exposed that she slept with. 87 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: Her brother in law, you know, her past and her 88 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: issues with her mother, I appreciated that because for me, Kate, 89 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: I understand that Bravo believes that the sort of organizing 90 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: principle of this franchise is real friendships. 91 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: Of the elite women in. 92 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: The societies across the world, and that's not what the 93 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: show is to me. And this is somebody who did 94 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: Atlanta House White season one when Nini Lee did not 95 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: have a big house, she did not have all the 96 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: money in the world, but she was a dynamic character 97 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: who really made. 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: That show a success, right. 99 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: And then I did season one of Jersey, which, again 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: the Manzells and Teresa and Joe obviously have the big 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: house and all those things, But then you had Danielle 102 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: Staub who was the anti elite and without question, Danielle 103 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: style but made that show and. 104 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: Chris Danielle was she was actually like connected to them. 105 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: That's the only difference. Monica really wasn't. 106 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: So right, right, right, But when it comes to like 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: this sort of call to action of like we got 108 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: to get the show back to his roots, the roots 109 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: were already planted in bad seeds in the ground, and 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: what was sprouting up was this sort of like, sure, 111 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: we think these people are rich, but I think as 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: we're watching like these these shows, a lot of them 113 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: had irs issues, a lot of them file for bankruptcy 114 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: because a lot of them pretended to live up to 115 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 2: this Again, to this hype of like, we're all glamorous 116 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: and rich, when have these women weren't? So I appreciate 117 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: a monicup for being the anti that I get that. 118 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: I do think the element of her mother is interesting, 119 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: But once I saw the Easter dinner scene, I didn't 120 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 4: feel like that was authentic. I felt like that those 121 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 4: were two women who had many conversations beforehand in broad scope, 122 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: just like what it means to be on the show, 123 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: what works, what doesn't, and then right before that event, like, Okay, 124 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: what is our strategy when we go into this, And 125 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: that I felt was very obvious, and that didn't feel 126 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: right to me. And that felt too much of somebody 127 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 4: playing a character that they have studied or won, you know, 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 4: they've kind of perceived themselves to be, and is missing 129 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: from a show, and I think that goes against the 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 4: flow of the show and what they really ultimately want, 131 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: which is a group of women to kind of live 132 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: their lives out loud while cameras film them. Once they 133 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: get too much into their head and they're like, well, 134 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 4: the audience likes Monica has studied every minute of this show. 135 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: And that's not to say that other housewives have not 136 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: watched the show. This takes another turn though. This is 137 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 4: somebody who thinks poorly of everybody, looks down at the show, 138 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: thinks they're better than the show, watch every frame of it, 139 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: and really took the most absurd lengths to infiltrate themselves 140 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: into it. And I feel like that became a little 141 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: bit way too dark. So again I said, I don't 142 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: know for the rest of time. She may never return 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: to the show, but at least just one season she 144 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: needs to go off. 145 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: So I want to get into your opinion on this season. 146 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: You have been watching Salt Lake City since season one, right. 147 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: Well, I want to be upfront that I'm like a 148 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: lot of people. I think I'm you know, it's your 149 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: tourn because I thought the show was boring and I 150 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: did watch this season. But I'm always very mindful. I'm 151 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: always thinking of short term, long term, short term, long term. 152 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: How does this, how does this going to work out? 153 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 4: Five minutes, five days, five months, five years from now? 154 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: And I just kept thinking, I don't know how this 155 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: is going to for this is setting a bad precedent, 156 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: and this is going to get Harry, you know, five 157 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: months from now, you know, five seasons from now, short term, 158 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: she was great for switching up the show and you know, 159 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: adding some different elements and to your point, you know, 160 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 4: the high low of it all, Like I live in 161 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 4: a Casida, just like a Gina, but a lot of 162 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 4: people hate Gina and Orange County for the same reason. 163 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 4: Like your kids don't hang out with any of these broads, 164 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: you don't live anywhere close to them. You live in 165 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: a Casida, you don't belong here. I'm surprised people don't 166 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: see the same you know, of Monica, but also the 167 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: diabolical part of driving by homes, trying to get a 168 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: job with jen getting you know, having equipment installed in 169 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: her house, still having the login information listening. 170 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: That's the part that's so. 171 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 4: Dark to me, that she would sit and listen to 172 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 4: conversations going on in Jenshaw's house and then use that 173 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: as currency against current cast members. I would assume for 174 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: you behind the camera, you'd be like, this is hard 175 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: to navigate because it's wildly fascinating TV. In some respects, 176 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: it's also pretty dangerous. 177 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: Yes, let's get into that. 178 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: So one thing that Andy Comen said on part through 179 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: of Reunion was I had. 180 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 5: A greater reaction to Monica saying to me that production knew. 181 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: The first time I interviewed. I talked about it in 182 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: my home with production that this was strolled down casting. 183 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah the first time. 184 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: If you said, I run a boat, and. 185 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: We wouldn't have cast you, Okay. 186 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 5: We obviously knew that she had worked for Genshaw, that 187 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 5: she had turned on Genshaw, and we obviously thought that 188 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 5: that was interesting and noteworthy. 189 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 6: If we would have known about reality vntis, we would 190 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 6: have planted seeds earlier on in the episode so that 191 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 6: it would have paid off and made much more sense 192 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 6: when you found out who and what it was. 193 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: So I own a production company. I create shows. I 194 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: cast women and men. 195 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: If someone would have said to the casting producer, I 196 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: have a blog, and this blog really talks crap about 197 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: the Huntsville cast, absolutely not. 198 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: You will. 199 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: You won't be hired, right, You just wouldn't be because 200 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: it is my job to make sure that you're not 201 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: coming on the show, to utilize this platform of the 202 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: show to take your strong opinions where you have eviscerated 203 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: the cast to no degree, and then you want to 204 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: become friends with them. I would have said no as well, 205 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: and that's just me being completely honest. Now, what I 206 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: did find interesting is this Monica allege that the casting 207 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: producer did. 208 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Know that she was a part of a blog. Do 209 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: you buy that? 210 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: No, I don't believe anything that she's says. That's the problem. 211 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: I don't believe one thing that she says. 212 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: I think she's a very loose relationship with the truth, 213 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 4: and I think that we saw evidence of that when 214 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: the first part of the reunion where they showed the 215 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 4: original email that she sent, which goes against what she 216 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: said on the television show. She said, I you know, 217 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 4: I told them, you know, I'm all these things. Your 218 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: show sucks, you need me, And then you look at 219 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: the email it was completely different. So no, I don't 220 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 4: believe she said that in no way. And also the 221 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 4: idea that a production company would no information like that 222 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: and allow you to be part of their project when 223 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 4: they're doing everything they can to de escalate social media 224 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 4: trolling because it causes so much distress for the cast members. 225 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 4: It makes it difficult for them to cast the show, 226 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: it makes it difficult for people to stay on the show, 227 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: and it really disallows them from keeping them in some 228 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 4: sort of like safe bubble during the duration of filming, 229 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 4: So that made no sense to me. I think that's 230 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 4: the problem too with you know, anybody you hire. It 231 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you own a production company, you make 232 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 4: a reality show, or you have an office. Would a 233 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 4: boss want to employ somebody who makes up lives all 234 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: the time? Would you like that? Would you like to 235 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: work with somebody that you completely distrusted? And I've said 236 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: this on social media and I got ripped apart, but 237 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 4: it's true, Like she's a potential liability and people were like, well, 238 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: Jen was a liability and guess what, she's in prison 239 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: and she's not on the show anymore. She like, I'm thinking, 240 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 4: I'm thinking of the legal part of Like, if you're 241 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: of counsel for the network, you're gonna tell me they're not. 242 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Going to go. 243 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 4: You know, let's have a couple of conversations about this 244 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: cast member and what's going on. Because they're always looking 245 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: for potential for curious situations, this to me would be 246 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 4: one of them. 247 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think this if again, I want to 248 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: relate it back to myself because I want the audience 249 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: to know how this process works in casting somebody and 250 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: putting them on the show and then seeing what happens 251 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: if someone slipped through the c of our casting process 252 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: on one of my shows and they turned out to 253 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: be a blogger. Now, look, I have a cast member 254 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: on my show Huntsville. Her mother was a part of 255 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: this Facebook group blog where she would have. 256 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Very strong opinions about another cast member. 257 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: Her daughter got on the show, right, so again, you 258 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: know me, kay, I follow the families. Her mother had 259 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: very strong opinions about another cast member, and we were 260 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: all like, why do you dislike this woman so much? 261 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: She then revealed I watched the show and I also 262 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: am a fan of it so much that I was 263 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: a part of this Facebook page, and we in that 264 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: moment we all realize, Okay, this is odd, but we 265 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: allowed her to tell her truth, right, because again, she 266 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: was a part of her daughter's storyline. If a Monica 267 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: slipped through the cracks of my production and I saw 268 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: what she brought to the show, I would definitely take 269 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: invatory of the bigger picture of like, Okay, let's look 270 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: at things from the grand scheme of things, right, based 271 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: on what I've seen Kate, Right, Didmonica come in and 272 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: infiltrated herself into the group. I think we all can 273 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: say yes, like she definitely did that. What I'm having 274 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: a hard time grasping, Kate is this was it that 275 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: bad to the point where allegedly the women were telling 276 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: production after they wrap, she's dangerous. 277 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: We don't feel safe around her, we don't want her 278 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: around Because. 279 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: For me, when Heather revealed that Jenshaw gave her a 280 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: black eye, I thought that was the most crock of 281 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: bullshit and irony for Heather to sit up there and 282 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: defend Jin until she pled guilty. And I want people 283 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: to understand this, Heather was team jen until she played guilty. 284 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: So you have this woman punching you in the eye, 285 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: giving you a black eye, which to me is the 286 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: most abhorrent thing that a cast member can do. You're 287 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: punching somebody. 288 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: In their eyeball. Yeah, but your cave being around her. 289 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: But this woman who was wrong, and I want to 290 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: state this very clear, Monica was wrong. 291 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: She was wrong. 292 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: To create pages talking smack about these women and not 293 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: telling them. 294 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: But why is what she did so bad that she 295 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: can't be around you? But Jenshaw care? 296 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: I think that if you scratch the surface, there's probably 297 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: something far darker. Like Genshaw was exceptional on what she did, 298 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: which was conning people, and she could get information out 299 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 4: of people. I wonder often how much she knows about 300 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 4: all of these women. Yes, and then Monica knows it too, 301 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: and so really to me, by the end of the finale, 302 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: I was watching a group of women sitting on a couch, 303 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: still very terrified that someone has information on them. And 304 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 4: I don't know what that may be. If it's financial 305 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 4: or emotional or some deep dark family secret. I don't 306 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 4: know what it is. But there's a stranglehold that hovers. 307 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: It's a cloud that hovers over that show. And I 308 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 4: think Monica, you know, if you look at the Vontee post, 309 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: they don't seem that bad. Of course, I know a 310 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 4: lot of them have been scrubbed, but I think for 311 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 4: the outsider, you're kind of like, Okay, it wasn't that 312 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: successful in a troll account, right, you know, I don't know, 313 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: like like nine thousand, I'd never heard of it before. 314 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 4: In fact, I think Monica was very angered that it wasn't. 315 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 4: You know, you don't know what Vontiice is like. I 316 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: think she wanted like more celebration of this account that 317 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: I don't think that many people knew about yeah, it, 318 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 4: but it just shows me that whatever information. 319 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: Jen had, like I don't. 320 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting that she was in business with them 321 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 4: or whatever, but there's something that she knows about all 322 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: of them collectively and each single housewife that is so 323 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: dark that Monica must know too. And it makes this 324 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: show right now feel really odd, doesn't it? Like I 325 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 4: need to know what it is. Oh, yes, that's the problem. Yes, 326 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: I want to know. So the whole thing with being 327 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: punched in the face, I was like, well, first of all, 328 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 4: I kept thinking of you in that scene because I 329 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 4: kept thinking who was almost. 330 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: Fired because of that? 331 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: What can you walk people through that so they understand 332 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 4: that because it's not something that we should just smooth 333 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 4: over and run through. 334 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: There is a. 335 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 4: Whole process that's put in place if there is this 336 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: suggestion that someone violently attacks somebody, what the crew members 337 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 4: have to go go through that process Because again, like 338 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: that is a big, big deal. 339 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: And I will go on record saying to me, that's 340 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: that's worse than what Monica is doing. Because these producers, 341 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: production crew, they work twelve hours a day, six days 342 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: a week. They're leaving their families to make an honest living. 343 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: They aren't getting paid millions of dollars, Like these housewives 344 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: are right to work for months and they get paid 345 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: two million dollars and get some like have brand deals. 346 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: I was so disgusted by Heather blaming production and a 347 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: producer that to me, I feel like that should be 348 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: calls for some sort of consequence because when that happens, 349 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: and this is speaking as the owner of a production company, 350 00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: if talent alleges that producers or production, right, I'm not. 351 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: I'm sure she named one person in particularly, or she 352 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: just made it very gray, right in terms of like 353 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: production and producers. Maybe they hit me, Maybe they took 354 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: the footage and edited it out to make these gross accusations. Kate, 355 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: you have to do an investigation and investigate your production team. 356 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: And I want people to really know this is serious. 357 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: You have to not only investigate it, you have to 358 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: put these poor people through this process of now they're 359 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: being questioned and the way it works in reality shows, Kate, 360 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: we're all freelancers, so they have to like leave one 361 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: show to work on the next. If there's any sort 362 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: of like shadow of doubt of this person's integrity or 363 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: the production integrity, that could cost them working on another show, Kate. 364 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: I was so fired up by that, and to me, 365 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't funny and the fact that she said, oh 366 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: it was find out I was making a joke. 367 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: Why is that funny? Why are you win? 368 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm okay with your castmate lying on production and doing 369 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: get Kate so freely publicly trying to promote her book 370 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: and making jokes about it. That to me is not okay, 371 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: And I feel like there should be some level of 372 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: consequence for that. If Monica has to set out because 373 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: she needs to work through her friendships with these ladies, 374 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: what is the punishment for Heather for lying on production and. 375 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: The fact that they're in a sense in all of this. 376 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: I was so disgusted by Heather and still am very 377 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: disgusted by her. 378 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, what would would be an appropriate consequence? 379 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: Oh, it's to me, it's sort of like obviously I'm 380 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: not a lawyer, right, but I think it could range 381 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: anything from like suspension for a few weeks of. 382 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: Work, a huge public apology. 383 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: And to me, this is why I call bullshit on this, 384 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: sort of like, well, we have to get rid of 385 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: Monica because she didn't do a good job at apologize. 386 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: To her castmates. 387 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: Huh if that's the case, whatever, Heather did not do 388 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: a good job and apologizing. 389 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: To do her producers. 390 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: If I was a production person on that show, this, 391 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: and I'm being very honest, and this, Kate is coming 392 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: from somebody who was lied on by a reality star. 393 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: I know what it feels like, Kate, for a reality 394 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: start to lie on you, and Kate that that still 395 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: follows me no matter what happens. Is always like the 396 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: trolls who say, well, Carlo, you told somebody. I never 397 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: said it. I never said it. So it's one thing 398 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: to say, well, the producer, you know, made me say that. Whatever, 399 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: because all these realities started love to blame the producer. 400 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 4: It's like an easy thing to say because that person's faceless. 401 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 4: That's the problem, and it's a it's a discrepancy and power. 402 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, So if I was a producer 403 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: on that show, I would feel yer uncomfortable being around Heather. 404 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: And I mean this, I know that as a producer, 405 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: as a camera operator, an audio person, a PA, I 406 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: would be so afraid being around Heather because it's one 407 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 2: of the things where if she felt so comfortable, not 408 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: only saying it once, Kate but going on a press 409 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: towards saying it, I will feel uncomfortable being in. 410 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: Her home, being around her children. 411 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: Because she may say things like I think he stole something, 412 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: or I think she did this to me. I think 413 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: that needs to be a bigger level conversation than what 414 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: it is. 415 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 4: Well, No, I think what you're saying is that there 416 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: are two layers of trust ye to make a successful show. 417 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: There's the trust within the cast members, which makes filming 418 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 4: on a storytelling possible. And the other layer is the 419 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 4: trust that the crew has with the cast members and 420 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 4: vice versa. And what you're saying, and I think this 421 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 4: is a very important conversation, very illuminating, is that there 422 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 4: are two violations there that are going on in one show. 423 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 4: One the surface that we see, which is the cast 424 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 4: member distrust. But this is a distrust within the producing sphere, 425 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 4: and while it's not always visible to people, it is, 426 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 4: it's very much there, and it makes the process of 427 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 4: making a successful show really difficult to do. So so 428 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 4: I think that that's a problem that they need to address. 429 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: So I think what my answer to be would for 430 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 3: this would be. 431 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: Maybe suspend Heather for a while, hold Monica, you know, 432 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: for a season or something just to there just needs 433 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 4: to be some time for the women to come because 434 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 4: they're filming right away and they need some space. But 435 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: you got to get new people in because these shows 436 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: do not exist on one or two housewives. You have 437 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: to bring in new things. And if we want to 438 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: tell honest storytelling, which has been very difficult up until now, 439 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: I think like honest friendship, like people completely cracking themselves 440 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 4: open production, feeling like they are, you know, entrusting that 441 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 4: the cast members will allow them to help them tell 442 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: their stories. 443 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: Those things need to. 444 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 2: Happen, oh, one hundred percent, because at this point, to me, 445 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: Heather is a liability and we have to start really 446 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: putting our love with the crew because they are the 447 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: unsung heroes of this operation and any production, whether it's 448 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 2: scripted or unscripted, you're nothing without your crew. And that's 449 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: why I appreciate when I have reality stars on my 450 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: podcast and they're able to say, like, I love my crew. 451 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: I've missed those guys. So I do agree with you 452 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: with that shifting gears a little bit. Where do you 453 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: think the show goes from here? Because I believe you 454 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: and I spoke about this on my podcast too in 455 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: terms of like where does Monica go from here? And 456 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: for me, what I would have liked to have seen? 457 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 2: And again, guys, I produced the first two seasons of 458 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: New Jersey, so we had Danielle Style, who obviously after 459 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: the table flip, she was on an island, like a 460 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: complete island, so they brought her back to season two. 461 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: The mistake that Danielle made and I said this to 462 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: her on my podcast and she agreed. The biggest mistake 463 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: Danielle made season two she did not want to befriend 464 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: those other women. 465 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: That was not a smart thing to do. 466 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: You can't be on an ensembles show, k because you're right, listen, 467 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: there's breakout stars, there's force multipliers, but it is an 468 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: ensembles show, and you need everybody to play the game, 469 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: the game of like where we want to be real 470 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: and make good television. Danielle having a whole nother life 471 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: within the show with Kim G and Kim D and 472 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: then Danny the security guard and yeah, and Kate I 473 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: was there that season and she said this on my 474 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: podcast because I was her producer of season one. She 475 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: was mad at me because she said, you need to 476 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: protect me. I'm like protect you from what, like, stop 477 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: using those words reality stars. 478 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: We're producing a show. 479 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: So I was not her producer for season two, and 480 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: she literally Kate ice herself out of the collective because 481 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: this is the thing that we wanted Jacqueline to reach. 482 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: So they were okay with filming with her. They wanted 483 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: to address the elephant in the room, Dina Manzel. To 484 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: her fucking credit, Kate, Dina Manzel said, let me film 485 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: with Danielle before I leave, because she understood this is 486 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: what the fans want and I need to get this 487 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: out of my system. 488 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Closure the closure. 489 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: I felt like if Monica came back next season, my 490 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: one advice for Monica would have been, you have to 491 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: try to make things right, and if you don't succeed, 492 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: then yes, there's no way you can film a show. 493 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: I'm a witness to it to where you're on a 494 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: complete island. But I would have like Kate to have 495 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: seen this filmed. 496 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: I think the problem with Monica right now is she's 497 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: got the full pedal on the gas, and like bringing 498 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 4: the dumb burn book, which was like very infantile, just 499 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 4: shows you she's so far from understanding the point that 500 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: you just made. I mean, and if she were smart enough, 501 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 4: which is weird because she's watched every frame of the 502 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 4: show and she studied the dynamics with her mom and 503 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: all of that. But wouldn't she have known by the 504 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 4: end of the last part of the reunion. You make amends, 505 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 4: you go into the next season, you bring somebody flowers 506 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: at lunch, you go to their house, you pretend you're 507 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 4: interested in their kids. 508 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 3: You do the whole thing. She's missing that she's got 509 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 3: full pedal to the gas right now. 510 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the burn book was a flop, and listen, I 511 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: love Monica, Okay. I was like, this was not a 512 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 2: good idea. Who told you to do it? Your glam squad? 513 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: Was it your pr your social media manager? Like somebody 514 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: should have said no, somebody should have advised her to 515 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: like defend yourself, own up to the things that happened 516 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: and apologize. I would have looked at every woman on 517 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: that stage and said, I know I fucked up, and 518 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I know it's going to take some 519 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: work to get you to earn your trust, just like 520 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: it took work for you, Meredith and Lisa to work 521 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: the your issues. I am asking for the same. If 522 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: I would I would like to prove to you ladies 523 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: that I'm not that same person anymore, and I will 524 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: appreciate some grace in that. 525 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: And I think, listen what they have said. 526 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: Sure, maybe not, but I think to your point, the 527 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: audience is on Monica's side, But I think she would 528 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: maybe have had ninety nine point nine percent even you. 529 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: Kay, I'm assuming because I think you would appreciate a 530 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: little bit of humility. 531 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 4: Well, the one part, one thing that I did like 532 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 4: this season was when she said, you know, I spent 533 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: a ton of money just to have a bag, just 534 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: so I could feel like you guys wouldn't like accept me. 535 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: That was a great scene. 536 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: So if she had said I went off the rails, 537 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 4: I so badly wanted to be part of the show 538 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: because I feel like I'm just like you. I'm just 539 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 4: trying to keep my head above water. I'm like trying 540 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 4: to be the best mom I can. I've made some 541 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: bad decisions in my you know, relationships, and I got 542 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: way ahead of myself. But the truth is I really 543 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: love and respect all of you, and I would like 544 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 4: to make up for it. I want to spend time 545 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: with you, like she seem to have to say, that 546 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: she could just like show up at beauty lab and 547 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: bring flowers and say can I'm off the floor. She 548 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: could make it so funny, but she doesn't think I'm like, 549 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 4: call me, I'll tell you what to do something like that. 550 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, no, That's the thing. 551 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: I could not agree more in the sense of I 552 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: would have liked to have seen that, but it didn't happen. 553 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: But I keep going back to what I Listen, Housewives 554 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: will always go down in history as one of the 555 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: greatest franchise that was ever created. 556 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: Shout out to Scott. 557 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: Dunlop, like Genie is Mine to create something about women 558 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: behind the gates that has springboarded into being an international 559 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: fucking hit. 560 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: Right. What I love about. 561 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: This conversation Kate is that I was there from the 562 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: beginning of two big franchises, the lantin Jersey, and what 563 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: I do miss is at least seeing a person try 564 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: to make amends and if it failed, then go about 565 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: your business. 566 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: And I was shocked that she was let go. 567 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: But I don't think she's totally let go. The language 568 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 4: doesn't say that. I think people on social media jump 569 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 4: to that conclusion, but if you read the Variety interview, 570 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: with Lorie Gordon who's the showrunner, and Lisa Shannon, executive producer. 571 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 4: That's not the language they use. It's more like just 572 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 4: we're taking a hot minute. It's like maybe even they 573 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 4: use the phraseology. 574 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 3: It included pause. 575 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like they're completely closing the door. They said, 576 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: we're having ongoing conversations about this all the time. 577 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: Where does this show go from here? Cake? 578 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: Because I wasn't going to watch this season, Elisa Rollsen 579 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: and the rain Doss maybe watch it, and I thank 580 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: them for it. 581 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to watch the next seas 582 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 4: In the other I don't think you're gonna watch the 583 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: next season. I know that there are rumors about two 584 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: additions to additions to the show. I don't know much 585 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 4: about them. I am still annoyed that they have not 586 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 4: taken my advice and hired my friend Shannon because she 587 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 4: is a Mormon mother of five who is a former 588 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: Utah jazz dancer. She goes out dancing. She doesn't seem 589 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 4: to be what you would think of a Mormon, but 590 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 4: it's a practicing Mormon. And if you're going to tell 591 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: the story of Salt Lake City, don't you want to 592 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 4: have practicing Mormons. I don't know, so I think that 593 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 4: they found well, it seems to be even in that 594 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 4: Variety article that they found Mary Cosby and I she 595 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 4: thought she was a really interesting character, and they thought, 596 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: how can we build around this? And then they find 597 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 4: Lisa Barlow, and Lisa Barlow was like, let me find 598 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 4: a bunch of people. But it's not telling the story 599 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City. I asked you one of the 600 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 4: first episodes we ever, did you go, you know what? 601 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 4: It could be real housewiss, Scottsdale, and it would make 602 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 4: no difference to me. It doesn't tell the story of 603 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 4: that city. So you gotta go back to that. Who 604 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 4: are the women that live there? What is the lens 605 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 4: through which they live? Of course you're gonna have, you know, 606 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 4: all different kinds of personalities, but there has to be 607 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 4: some threadline that's similar. And I don't think that exists now. 608 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 4: And that's the problem. And that's why you could have 609 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 4: somebody like Monica take a bowling ball and like just 610 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: blow through the place, because there wasn't any sort of 611 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 4: threadline connecting them all together. 612 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: No, I could not agree with you more about that. 613 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: What is missing from Salt Lake City is the sort 614 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: of the overview of the backdrop of a city. When 615 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: you watch Real Housewives at Billy Hills, they do a 616 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: great job at like exposing Beverly Hills. You know when 617 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: they bring up, well, honey in Kapi Hilton hunting Beverley Hills, 618 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: you just don't do that. Honey in Beverly Hills is 619 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: about the bag. They do a great job Atlanta. It 620 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: was all about, like, you know, these very much like 621 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 2: powerful women who are like super funny, and like they 622 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: dress berried differently, and it's the accent and even with Jersey, 623 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: Jersey smelled, taste, everything like Jersey. It was very much 624 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 2: like the hair and the act. Salt Lake City could 625 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: be anywhere in the world. So when it comes to 626 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: your friend Shannon, who I haven't even met yet, but 627 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: on paper, she sounds like somebody I would be interested in. 628 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: And I do think, listen, it's gonna take a hell 629 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: mayriage to give me a watch next season unless Eliza 630 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: texts me. 631 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: But I need to say this, I really wish. 632 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: The women were more business savvy because I would have said, look, 633 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: you guys were on the level of the Real Housewives 634 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: of Dallas when they got rid ofly in lock In. 635 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: I'm not here to judge anything, but when they got 636 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 2: rid ofly in lock In, I think we all sort 637 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 2: of knew that that show was doomed. 638 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: You know it was. 639 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 2: And again, not one person makes the show, but one 640 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: person knows is the first multiply they kind of know 641 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 2: how to like make things happen the way Tamar Judge resurrected, ohc. 642 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: So I really wish the women would have said, look, 643 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: is she crazy? Are we scared of her yet? But Kate, 644 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 2: this would be me, Hey, let let her come back 645 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: so that we can like, you know, really like drain 646 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: her and. 647 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: Like talks, you know, like let's let's let's let's really go. 648 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: To town on her. But the fact that they didn't 649 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: see that, they're missing the mark. And that's why you 650 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: have a Teresa Judaiz and a Heather Gay Because Teresa 651 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 2: knew Carlos. She would say this to me, Kate, bring 652 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 2: where is Danielle? I need her? 653 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: Where is she? Why are we filming with her? 654 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: Like Teresa was like, bring her on, I don't give 655 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 2: a ship, bring her on? And I really wish these 656 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 2: women were smart enough to say, we are in the 657 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Times, and I sometimes want other Kay, if 658 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: the jealousy of Monica being the breakout star created the 659 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 2: atmosphere where they just want her gone as. 660 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 4: Well, Well, you know you've got Jen and she's got 661 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 4: a stranglehold on the show. And then you know, you're 662 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 4: on the show for years and years and you feel 663 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 4: like you've cracked yourself open and you've like exposed your life. 664 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 4: And then someone else comes in and then they also, 665 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 4: on top of it, may have all these secrets of 666 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 4: yours and they know it, and maybe they're taunting you 667 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 4: with it. That's what I think is happening behind the scenes. Yes, 668 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 4: it's the taunting. It's like I know all of the secrets, 669 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 4: I know where everything's buried, and if you really want 670 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 4: to fuck with me, those stories will come out. And 671 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: I think that that's the terror that you saw on 672 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 4: the couch. But to me, I'm like, that's mob wives. 673 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 4: Tell me what is really going on? Yes, you know, 674 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 4: because this doesn't really This seems so just like disjointed. 675 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: Yes, you're one thousand percent right. I think the other 676 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: women are afraid of what Monica knows and they want 677 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: her gone before she spills the tea. 678 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 4: It might not even be what they think like they 679 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 4: might maybe she goes, well, I know x y Z, 680 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 4: but they know that she was listening into Jen's conversations 681 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 4: in her house. 682 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 3: So it's the fear of what they don't know that 683 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 3: she knows, you know what I mean? Like Jen was. 684 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: Very good at what she did, and maybe there's a 685 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 4: fear like I don't know what she knows. 686 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 2: It just hit me the reason why Heather revealed Jen 687 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 2: gave her the black eye. She wanted to be the 688 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: first person to say because she need the Monica new. 689 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: Which is a great strategy. Yes, that's the best thing. 690 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: You can do. Let me be the one to spit 691 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: my own tea. 692 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 4: And maybe we need to go back and look at 693 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 4: the footage because we need to see Monica's face after 694 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 4: she revealed that, what did she look deflated? Because that 695 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 4: just happened on Southern Charm where Taylor knew that Olivia 696 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 4: had made out at one point years ago with Thomas 697 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 4: Robinal and Olivia said, I'm just gonna put it out 698 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 4: in the world because I can see what you're trying 699 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 4: to do, and you're the only person that I told 700 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 4: and you're about to try to weaponize it. So I'm 701 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 4: just gonna put it out there, and then it just 702 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 4: totally deflated the other girl because she's like, oh shit, 703 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 4: that's that was the power, that was what she had 704 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 4: over her. 705 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: That's what it was. Oh my gods. Kay, we cracked 706 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: the code because we all felt like, why would you. 707 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere. It came out of nowhere. 708 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 2: And I think Tuanisha allegedly, I think Tuanisha gave Heather 709 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: heads up, Hey, she knows that Jen gave you the 710 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 2: black eye. Yeah, And I think Heather said, as I 711 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 2: go to this dinner exposing Monica, let me reveal this 712 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: myself so that Monica doesn't say it for me, because 713 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: because Heather had no intention of revealing that information. 714 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: If she didn't think that Monica would said first. 715 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 2: So that goes to show you that these women know 716 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 2: that Monica knows a lot about them courtesy of being 717 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 2: eavesdropper in Jan's home. 718 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 4: Which is insane. Can you imagine if you found out 719 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 4: you had an assistant that was listening for hours to 720 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 4: all your conversations. That's a terrifying idea. Then you go 721 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 4: back in your head you're like, oh my god, what 722 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 4: did I talk about? 723 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 6: Did what? 724 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 4: Did I reveal something? That's what's going on? Is this 725 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 4: like fear of like I don't even know what Monica knows. 726 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 3: They don't even know what she might know. 727 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: And the words of Lisa, I'm shaking of physically shaking. Wow, 728 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 2: we just cracked the code. Thank you so much for 729 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: hopping on Reality with the King. I couldn't not have 730 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 2: done this episode with anybody else but you. 731 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: Seriously, I want. 732 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 4: To tell your listeners how if they are ever in 733 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 4: a point where they're like, I don't know what to 734 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 4: watch this week, I want them to go to my 735 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 4: what to watch list? 736 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: Just sign up. 737 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 4: It's free at Katekasey dot substack dot com. Because every Monday, 738 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what to watch. I'll give you like 739 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 4: eight things to watch each week. 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