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Speaker 2: You know what's going on? You know you got us

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Speaker 3: Well whatever.

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Speaker 2: And when she can't, when Kaylen Coons cannot strangle Nicole

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Speaker 1: Every bit of it is circumstantial information at that point.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and Joe and I were talking about

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Speaker 1: You got my attention. I'm in Okay, what do you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, are we sure they did this after they

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray says, premeditation can be formed in the twinkling

431
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: of an eye that goes beyond the twinkling of an eye,

432
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: that demonstrates that you've gone out to a store and

433
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: you've purchased all of these items, and that you're showing

434
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: up prepared. Remember, she's think about this. A seventeen year

435
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: old child is speaking to a thirty plus year old

436
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: man giving him an ultimatum about killing his mama. So

437
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: you got five hours. He knows how cold that is.

438
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that is that's the stuff that you hear

439
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: about in some kind of concentration camp or something like that,

440
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: where you're putting somebody in a position where they're going

441
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: to have to commit a homicide, and not just a homicide,

442
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: but the homicide of your own mother. What is it

443
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: that coons can leverage him with affection? I don't know.

444
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't see how a thirty three year old man

445
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: can see that this is actually right or that this

446
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: is the correct choice to make. But you've got her

447
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: telling him that he's got five hours to do this.

448
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: So if she's in the house for five hours with him,

449
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: we understand that Nicole did not approve of the relationship

450
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: that he had with this girl that she had apparently

451
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: made appearances throughout a period of time at their home.

452
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: Trust me, mamas know what their sons are involved in.

453
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: He's been on the police radar before they know what's

454
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: going on. She knows what's going on with her son.

455
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: And here he is, and he's showing up with this girl,

456
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: the seventeen year old girl who is in foster care.

457
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: Something ain't right, you know, thirty three year old men

458
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: don't hang out with seventeen year old girls. I'm sorry,

459
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: it's just that's the reality of it. It's wrong feeling

460
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: back that onion. Yeah, you know, he told you earlier

461
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: that that Jonathan John had already been convicted of a

462
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: crime with underage with a minor with a female minor. Yeah,

463
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: well he was the female miner in question, Caitlin Combs

464
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: when she was fifteen. See that's your touch here, that

465
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: they have been involved in. No, you cannot be involved

466
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: in a relationship with a fifteen year old child that

467
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: you can rape them, you know, you can kill them,

468
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: but you cannot call that a relationship relationship. You can't

469
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: do that. You can't go down that path.

470
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: I really don't like to say that, but he was.

471
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: They were a couple, a romantic couple so to speak,

472
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: or that's I don't know. Again, I hate saying that

473
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: out loud because it just that's where our society is

474
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: leaning right now, and I can't do that.

475
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: It's a tough, tough bit of road to consider that

476
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: these two were actually in a quote unquote relationship.

477
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: But that's where his that's where his conviction came from,

478
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: was from being involved with her when she was fifteen,

479
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: so he sneaks her into the house, she goes, she

480
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: leaves the group home. On April eleventh, she hooks up

481
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: with Jones. He sneaks her into the house, and during

482
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: this time period where he is hiding her, she's prodding him,

483
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: you got to kill your mom. You got to kill

484
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: your mom.

485
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: You know.

486
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: That's all I can picture is this guy is so perverted, sick,

487
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. She's telling him, you

488
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: got to kill her, and she puts the deadline to it. Yeah,

489
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: five hours, dude, kill her, kill her.

490
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Talk talk TikTok.

491
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks something out of a movie.

492
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: And then she gives him another hour. And when he

493
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: doesn't act. At that point, Tom, she flies into the race.

494
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: She says, I'm going to handle it. Now we know

495
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: that Nicole did not approve of this relationship. She had

496
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: voiced that information to them. But once you you know,

497
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: once you've stepped off into the deep end. At this

498
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: point in Tom, can you imagine if he is sitting

499
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: what we think has been stated, if he was seated

500
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: in the other room and was not a participant in

501
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: this event. If he seated in the other room and

502
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: suddenly she comes and gathers him and says they have

503
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: killed Jamama. You imagine walking into that kitchen where she's

504
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: literally prepared meals for this man, maybe his entire life.

505
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: She was providing him with shelter. His murdered mother is

506
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: laying there and they have to make a decision. Well,

507
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: what are they going to do with her? Well, the

508
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: police going to say that they had taken the body

509
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: of Nicole, wrapped her up, they cleaned up, they wrapped

510
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: her up, and then they went to an apartment complex

511
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: not too far from where they were and put her

512
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: in a dumpster. Now here's the real problem with this.

513
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: Maybe she's got evidence of blunt force trauma. Maybe she

514
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: had evidence of having exterior trauma to her neck. That

515
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: would be evidence of an attempted asphyxiation, you know, throttling

516
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: squeezing the life.

517
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: Out of her.

518
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: But guess what the cops are saying. There's they have

519
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: no hope. When do you get to that point you

520
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: have we have no hope of finding her body because

521
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: her body, you know, you have time that elapses because

522
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: they fled to Mexico. Her body in that dumpster has

523
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: been you know, dumped into the back of a big

524
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: trash truck hauled off to the local landfill and dumped

525
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: out there. Landfills are very dynamic environments from a biological standpoint.

526
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: There's always decomposition going on, always always, and there's always

527
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, Dave. There's always churning that's going on.

528
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If you

529
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: ever look at the equipment that you used at a

530
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: landfill and you see those large earth movers out there,

531
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: they don't have rubber tires. They have these spike these

532
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: spike wheels on them that have these knobs that are

533
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: on them, and they're driving back and forth and back,

534
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: and they're they're kind of stirring the thing up. It's

535
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: almost like mulching, oh wow. And it's kind of spinning

536
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: all the stuff up and co mingling. So even if

537
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: you think you're going to have a jackpot moment, you

538
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: know where you're going to show up and there's going

539
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: to be a skull sitting there, or there's going to

540
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: be a long, long bone protruding up out of a

541
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: bunch of milk jugs that have been ain't going to

542
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: happen wow, because this stuff has been pulpified it's been

543
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: shredded out there. I can understand why the police have

544
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of lost hope and attempting to find the cole's body.

545
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: But they still have these two that they are going

546
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: to look to to try to extract as much information

547
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: as I possibly can, and also any kind of digital

548
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: evidence that you can track their movements, GPS, that sort

549
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: of thing, and GPS actually did play in to this

550
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: case where they're tracking the movements of these two as

551
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: they're trying you know, they're egressing toward toward Mexico.

552
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: They figured it out that okay, we have them together.

553
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: Now in the media, they're saying that Jonathan Jones has

554
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: kidnapped this teenager and they have fled to me and

555
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: he has fled with her to Mexico. We need all

556
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: everybody on the lookout for these two people. She's in danger.

557
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: And that's that's how they got the attention. That's actually

558
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: how they were found, is how the US Marshalls end

559
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: up in Mexico to help find the guy. Now when

560
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: they do, by the way, click timeline. April eleventh is

561
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: when Kaitlyn Coons sneaks into Jonathan Jones's bedroom and the

562
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: homie chairs with his mother, Nicole. April nineteenth is the

563
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: day Kaitlyn Coons kills Nicole Jones and going to assume

564
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: they fled shortly thereafter. I mean they cleaned up the mess,

565
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: which are you going to find in the kitchen where

566
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: we believe that missus that Jonathan Jones's mother, Nicole was murdered.

567
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: Are we going to find blood and all that all

568
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: over the floor. I mean, even if they clean it

569
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: all up, we're still going to find blood remnant, right, Yes?

570
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: Okay?

571
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: Would they be looking for anything else? Hair, things like

572
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: that that might have fallen underneath the stove or the refrigerator.

573
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Are those types of things going to be found on

574
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 3: that floor?

575
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: A lot of that is dependent upon the level of

576
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: violence that we're talking about. And yeah, I would think that, boy,

577
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be fantastic to get your hand on that rock?

578
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

579
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: And I'd like to try to understand how they concluded that,

580
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: because when you think about a rock and being in

581
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: most rocks that you can consider people and it can

582
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: be like an aggregate of broken concrete or I've seen

583
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: multiple things being referred to as a rock. When you

584
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: think about a rock generally does not have smooth edges

585
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: to it that they're not going to leave a mark behind.

586
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: It's going to be jagged ridges that cover the surface

587
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: of it. So let's just think about this. Every time

588
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: that you make a strike with a rock that has

589
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: a surface like this, you can have contact trace that

590
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: pulls away from the body. Particularly you know, you mentioned hair.

591
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: That's significant here because when and if you do multiple

592
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: strikes and you do break the scalp, which probably would

593
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: with a rock, there'll be blood transfer onto the rock.

594
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: Blood's very tacky, people understand that. And every time you strike,

595
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you're pulling away more evidence from the body that would

596
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: be transferred to that rock.

597
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

598
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Would there be an opportunity to find something in the

599
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: home like that? Well, yeah, you could say, yeah, we

600
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: found a hair, but just because you found a hair

601
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: in the home, you would expect to find hair her

602
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: hair and that home. So I don't know if that's

603
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: really going to lead. You would have to find something

604
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: a bit more robust, like a torn piece of flesh. Perhaps.

605
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Is there something like that that is left behind and

606
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: that's where that you know, that idea of kind of

607
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: the violence of a bludgeoning, you know, but you do

608
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: have bludgeonings that you know, fracture the underlying skull, but

609
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't leave a lot of blood evidence behind. Wow.

610
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, I know it gets it gets very

611
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: very complex forensical, but it could be there and it

612
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: could be there, and it all depends on how deep,

613
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: how deep that the authorities at that particular time wanted

614
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: to wanted to dig into this.

615
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: One thing you mentioned was GPS, and I wanted to

616
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: get to this very quickly because on the timeline now

617
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: we have April nineteenth, where Nicole Jones is murdered in

618
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: her kitchen by Kitlyn Coons. Allegedly they get rid of

619
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: the body and take off. Now in March, a couple

620
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: of weeks before Kaitlyn Coons left the group home and

621
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: hooked up back up with Jonathan Jones. He was convicted

622
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: in March of the previous charges that involved Caitlyn Coons

623
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: when she was fifteen.

624
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: He is fitted with a.

625
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: GPS tracking device when he leaves court that day, and

626
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: he's still wearing that device on April nineteenth when his

627
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: mother is murdered, so as he fails to disarm this

628
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: And this is the important part because as I told you,

629
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 2: it's being reported in the media that Jonathan Jones has

630
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: kidnapped a teenager and has fled to Mexico.

631
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: He didn't.

632
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: This is how they knew because he did not disarm

633
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: the GPS tracking device and so they knew where he

634
00:41:53,120 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: was pretty much. Now, according to the prosecuting attorney, they

635
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: believe that Jonathan Jones was having sex with underage girls

636
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: for years and that's what they're using to get people

637
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: involved in tracking him and the girl. Now they believe

638
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: they have murdered him. The police already believe a lot

639
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: of things they're not sharing with the public because they

640
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: got to find them in Mexico. The US Marshall Service

641
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: catches up with Jonathan Jones on do I say March

642
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: is May okay May eighth. US Marshall's Service Missing Child Unit, Okay,

643
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: Missing Child Unit is what captured Jonathan Jones. That's how

644
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: they were able to get the focus because of Caitlin

645
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: Coon's being underage, so they get him a mathe You

646
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: know what I did, Joe, because we know what all

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00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: was going on, and you guys now have learned a

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00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: lot of things that the media then pressed didn't share

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00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: right off the bat. This happened, you know, last year

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00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: April and May of twenty twenty three. I went back

651
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: and I looked up Kaitlyn Kuhn's Facebook page and I thought,

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00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: let's just see what was going on. On April fourteenth,

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00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, five days before the murder of Nicole Jones,

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00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: Kaitlyn Coons wrote, I was in a car accident February

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00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: twenty second and it changed me. I've realized so much

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00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: and I've become more aware and also gained new passions.

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00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: You know what they say, it will hit you when

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00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: you least expect it and make you realize you had

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00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: it better. Now I'm somewhere safe and looking forward to

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00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: almost becoming eighteen. She writes this, five days before she

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00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: kills her boyfriend's mother May sixth. We know they're on

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00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: the run. We know this is two days before Jonathan

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00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: Jones was picked up in Mexico by US Marshall's Joe.

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Speaker 2: This is what she writes on Facebook. I am not

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00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: on the run, so stop saying I am. I am

666
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: literally in Ohio about to be eighteen, and by myself.

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00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't know any Jonathan. I'm a new person, not

668
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: like before. I've been doing really well and you guys

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00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: are trying to say I ran when I didn't. Please

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00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: stop lying for one last time.

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00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: Please.

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00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to enjoy my life and this happens, Like,

673
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: come on, stop the drama. I'm in Ohio and not missing.

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Speaker 2: That's what she writes on May sixth. The next day,

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Speaker 2: May seventh, I don't know any Jonathan Jones and you

676
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: guys are putting us together. Shame on you people. You're

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Speaker 2: telling people the danger when he isn't causing, and that's

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00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: not civil or fair anyway. So I thought I would

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00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: just share that. That's what she was posting on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's it's a very interesting narrative because you wonder

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00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: if again planning. Yes, that's that's what I'm thinking here.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to s social media. It's possible

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Speaker 1: for people to at least contemplate doing that because people

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00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: that follow her. Maybe even if she's thinking the cops

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Speaker 1: are going to be looking at her social media, it

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00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: gives you idea or she's trying to plant that seed

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00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: that Hey, you know, I'm pure's the driven snow here.

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00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything, but you know, Dave, that brings

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Speaker 1: us back to how sinister this case is in the

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00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: sense that for his part, Jonathan Jones is let's face it,

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Speaker 1: he's an evil sob I mean, he is purely evil.

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00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: You know, he's participated in these behaviors, these rapes, as

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Speaker 1: you had mentioned just second ago, with these underage with

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Speaker 1: an underage child. But then it's almost like it's kicked up.

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Speaker 1: I don't ever recall a case like this where it's

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00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: kicked up to another level where you have this child

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Speaker 1: who actually becomes a true perpetrator.

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Speaker 3: And ra Adam is now the victim, is now evil.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy. Yeah, And you know, and I guess people

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00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: could you know, could sit around and coffee shop talk

701
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: to us as long as they wanted to and say, well,

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00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: it was because of his influence on her that she

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00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: became evil. But at the end, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, we know that there's a high probability that

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00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Nicole Jones, her mortal remains will never be found, that

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Speaker 1: her body will forever be entombed in a landfill somewhere.

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Speaker 1: But I think that at least maybe for the moment,

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00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: we can rest easy in the fact that we know

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Speaker 1: that both Kaylen Coons and Jonathan Jones are in prison

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Speaker 1: now and hopefully for a very very long time. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks