1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode can date spoilers for the finale of 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Last of Us season two. Hello, my name is Jasconcepcio 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: and on Rosday Night, and welcome back to x ray 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Vision the podcast Will We Dive You can your favorite shows, movies, 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: comments of pop culture coming to you from my art podcast, 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: where we'll bring you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Thursday, 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: and Fright. 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: In today's episode, it is the Lost of Us season 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: two FINALI wind guys, it's. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: A big one. It's you thought you thought? The episode 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: six is maybe gonna be the peak. Understandably, I think that's. 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: Forget everybody the last and enjoy the recap of the 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: Lost of Us season two finale. 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. We open back in the theater. 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: It's storming, big time, major major thunderstorm. Jesse is treating 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: Dina's arrow wound. The arrow has gone all the way 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: through the meter of her thigh. She's very, very scared. 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: She refuses a shot of alcohol, which makes Jesse go, oh, 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: that's weird, a big drinker. Okay, So Jesse gets the 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: arrow out, and I will say, like my my initial 21 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: thought upon seeing the scar arrowhead and details that thing 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: is too big to be aerodynamic. 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry also as well, like, how the how is 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: her leg just not destroyed? Yeah, it's right, looks like 25 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: it's like six inches. Like they had to pull. 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: It through the direction it was going, then cut the 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: head off, then pull the shaft out the other way. 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Crazy Ellie arrives back at the theater. Jesse makes sure 29 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: that you know it is actually her. She's alone, lets 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: her in. Ellie goes to check on Dina, who is 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: is now passed out. You know, after this really intense 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: procedure that that of battlefield medicine that Jesse uh did 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: with her. Her leg is tightly bandaged. Now she wakes up. 34 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: Ellie asks about the baby. Dina's like, it's fine. And 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: by the way, I can tell because I'm a mom now, yeah, 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: I can. 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: Tell the babies in my belly and we're connected. 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: And then she's like, I'm worried about you and can 39 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: tell by the way that Ellie is moving that she's injured, 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: and begins to tend to the bruises and scrapes and 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: wash the the spores. Then, now here's the thing, right, spores? 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: Were you just in an environment filled with spores? 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: I do wonder that as well, because also, how does 44 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: spores work. 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: Just because Ellie is immune to them, it doesn't mean 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: that she didn't breathe them in and is. 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: Breathing them back. 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: Were like, I'm just like that is computer also as well. 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: I guess you can say it washed off in the rain, right, 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: I will say it all washed off. 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: This is like a. 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: Crazy once in a millennia type storm, as we will see. 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Right that said, I think you need to be this 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: is another This is another situation where, like Ellie, we're 55 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna see Ellie be called out for her recklessness and irresponsibility. 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: And to me, this is like an underrated one. You 57 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: were just literally an environment filled with spores, watching someone 58 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: who is infected be in the throes of that ongoing infection. 59 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: And then you come back and like hang out with 60 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: your pregnant friend. 61 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: Your girlfriend and let her wash like your back and 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: like scrubbed, like please, you're back when you've. 63 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: Just been in this spoor environment. 64 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: Be care what are you doing? 65 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: I feel like maybe there's definitely a shower in this 66 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: old theata at least, like you could have just done 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: this yourself. I do think I will say something I 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: think is really great about this season looking back, is 69 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: how little zombie infected stuff we got, because this is 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: so much more about the horror of the humanity and 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: the way that people choose to be very the walking dead. 72 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: Who is really the walking Dead? The humans or the zombies. 73 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: But I also do think like maybe that made them 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: get a little bit free and easy with it, because 75 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: I do feel like Ellie is a fucking bio hazard 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: at this point, and also as well, like ellieand you're 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: covering in Sportes Babe, also as well, I mean, I 78 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: guess the question is how long do the spores last 79 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: if they don't immediately infect you? But also as well, 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: I mean, this has definitely been an issue. Ellie is 81 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: too brave like and that's not like I'm not saying like, oh, 82 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: she's so courageous. 83 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: I'm saying like she's dumb, like. 84 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: She's always just like she she doesn't know that how 85 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: many bidies it's gonna taste just to get infected. She's 86 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: getting bitten like fifty times on the tummy, and then 87 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: still making. 88 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: Out with Dina, like come on, come on, baby. 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: You don't know how that works, but it doesn't. 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: Let's put it this way, doesn't seem like the spores 91 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: are infecting Dina, and this does kind of showcase Ellie's 92 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: kind of got these wounds on her back and you 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: can sort of see how hard living, how reckless she 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: is and the toll it's taken. 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: On her body. 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: And I want to say to that point, I think 97 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: in this episode, Ella Ramsey is such a fucking brilliant 98 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: physical presence in a way that we maybe haven't gotten 99 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: to see in the other episodes. And I was just 100 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: there were moments in this and this is not necessarily 101 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: what I'm seeking out of the show, but there were 102 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: moments in this when I almost couldn't tell her apart 103 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: from Ellie in the game, Like there were just a 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: couple of kind of heaving shoulders, and with the tattoo especially, 105 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: she just she is an intimidating presence this episode in 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: a way I haven't felt before, which is also very 107 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: interesting because it's also probably the most vulnerable we've seen 108 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: Ellie in this season, maybe since the second episode. 109 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Ellie tells Dina that she found Nora, I 110 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: still haven't forgiven her and that she was already infected, 111 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: and that was setting in. But then she whispers I 112 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: made her talk mits like she tortured her. She says, 113 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: I thought it would be harder to do, and Dina 114 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: is like, okay, wow, this is yeah. Ellie says that 115 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: she didn't kill her, she let her die, and then 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Dina it's like, well, she got what she deserved. But 117 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: you can tell by Ellie's face that she's beginning to 118 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: have doubts about whether all of this is actually worth it. 119 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: Ellie tells Dina then, and I think one of I 120 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: think a really important scene. It's not in the game, 121 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, and I really appreciated this. Ellie then tells 122 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: Dina about Salt Lake City, the cure, and the fireflies, 123 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: how Joel murdered everybody in the hospital to get Ellie out, 124 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: including Abby's father. That's why they came to Jackson. And 125 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: Dina is shocked and maybe a little angry, maybe a 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: lot angry, and she says, well, like we should we 127 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: should go home, Like what are we doing? Let's get 128 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: out of here, it's not there. We go to day three, 129 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: group is packing up and you're thinking maybe to go home, right, 130 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: Ellie turns on the radio. It seems like it at 131 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: that moment, I think that's what is, but yeah, this 132 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: is the moment that we've the fever is kind of broke. 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: They've gotten injured, they've almost died, they've killed people that 134 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: weren't the people they're trying to kill, and maybe it's 135 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: time to go. Ellie turns on the radio. There's nothing. Jesse, 136 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: you can tell by the way he's packing up, is 137 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: fucking pissed off that he even has to be out there. 138 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Dina comes limping out, and it seems like the argument 139 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: that was going on previously is clearly they're going to 140 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: continue this conversation, but now is not the time, the 141 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: wrong time. 142 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: It's definitely a time out. 143 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: And instead she kind of gives her this bracelet that 144 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: is one of the bracelets she's worn, which I love 145 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: because it's such a teenage girl kind of authentic moment, 146 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: and she says, you know, this is for good luck. 147 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: Also interesting because I do feel like that is a 148 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: recognition that whatever Ellie's next part of her journey is, 149 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: Dina's probably not gonna be there. 150 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ellie and Jesse are gonna go find Tommy 151 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and then come back to Dina, who's barricading herself in 152 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: the theater, and they're gonna go back to Jackson. Jesse 153 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: then tells Ellie how he and Tommy found them in 154 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: the theater. Ellie, it finally occurs to Ellie to thank Jesse. 155 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: Fucking finally, babe, Like this man is like a life 156 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: Sayer twice. 157 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: You know, the first time we did kind of rag 158 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: on the show for a little bit. But Jesse x Markana. 159 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: But actually, you know what, I think. 160 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: That it works, like she needs Jesse. Jesse cares about her, 161 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: Jesse as her new protector, but she does not respect 162 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: or let him know her gratitude if she has any 163 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 2: in the way that she did for Joel when they 164 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: were close. 165 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: Jesse then, and in another great conversation, I thought, like 166 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: a really powerful this is someone that I agree. Jesse 167 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: then confronts Ellie about Dina and the pregnancy. He figures 168 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: it out because she didn't want that drink. He knows 169 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: that Ellie is lying to him right now about it, 170 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: and Jesse then again super important that this happened. Jesse 171 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: then puts the weight of responsibility about everything that's happened 172 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: squarely on Ellie's shoulders realize. He basically says, what your 173 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: recklessness has done, You've put I'm a father. I'm about 174 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: to be a father. You put my life in Dajer. 175 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 176 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: And relationship with himself, that's not even. 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: Like something that he confirmed, which I love. It's so 178 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 3: much more of again. 179 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: Just Jesse's smart and how he reads people and how 180 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: well he knows Dina, and he is underestimated constantly, I 181 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: think by Ellie and by Dina and probably by everyone 182 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: else in Jackson apart from like Maria, who understands that 183 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: he has the potential to be the future of Jackson Hall. 184 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I thought that was a really important conversation 185 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: and it will continue, like this is just an it 186 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: gets interrupted, but it will continue. So they see new 187 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: seraphim Sarahphyite excuse me graffiti on the way to go 188 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: find Tommy with a different profit. Now interesting, very interesting. 189 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, Ellie says there's more than one of her. 190 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: So now perhaps that position. It seemed previously that the 191 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: Sarahphytes had kind. 192 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: Of they had that wa well, they moved on. 193 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: The prophet died, but the teachings stayed alive. But now 194 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: it seems as if there might be a new prophet, 195 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: which is very interesting. They're shooting on the street that 196 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: they see a the WLF chase alone Scar into the 197 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: parking garage that they're hiding in. Jesse, I mean, this 198 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: is crazy. Ellie wants to like jump out and like 199 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: and save this Scar from the five or six wolves 200 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: who are clearly about to torture and kill this guy. 201 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: And Jesse has to be like, can you, like count 202 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: what are you doing? You're gonna get us here? You 203 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: go again doing this, You're gonna get us killed. And 204 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: while you have to love Ellie's heart here and her 205 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: desire to protect someone who is defenseless born, we have 206 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: to acknowledge from a significant desire for revenge against the 207 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: people who they represent. You know, the Abbey represents the WLF, 208 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: so she wants to kill them as much as possible. 209 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: Because it's basically this Jewel notion of Yeah, it's about revenge, 210 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: it's about being against WLF inherently, but it's also because 211 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: that's what Joel would have done. Joel was not scared 212 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: to run into action to save somebody. 213 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: And I love the well, I don't think Joel would 214 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: have taken I don't think Joel and one other person 215 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: would have taken on six or six. 216 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: Not six or seven. But there's moments, you know, where 217 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: she sees Joel kind of. 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: Uh reluctantly but not reluctantly try and help someone, especially 219 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: a young person, And I think that those two things collide. 220 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: I also think it sets up another great conversation between 221 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: her and Jesse about I think the notion of what 222 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: it really means to be a good person and how 223 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: you try. 224 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 3: Because this is a person. 225 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: I agree, and this is the Jesse represents community. Ellie 226 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: represents selfishness and independence. Right here, Jesse is once again 227 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: having to tell her, Hey, that decision that you were 228 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: about to make unilaterally, you need to discuss with me 229 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: because it's my life here too. Let's seek a quick 230 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: break and we'll. 231 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: Be right about ye. 232 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: And we're at. 233 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: We're at. 234 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: We go to a costco where Isaac incredible choice like 235 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: that's absolutely wear able. 236 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: Base would be running now. 237 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: So Isaac is running the campaign against the Seraphytes out 238 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: of this costco park comes to see him with various updates. 239 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: She tells him rank and file soldiers are very scared 240 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: about what's coming, but the leadership is prepared and that's 241 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: what matters. Where's Abby Abby and her crew or m 242 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I A this is very concerning to Isaac. Why Because 243 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: Isaac tells Park, hey, I think there's a good a 244 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: very good chance that I die in this right, He's 245 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: like soon campaign soon, in this upcoming campaign against the Seraphyights, 246 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance that you die, too, Abby. 247 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: Is the future of the WLF interesting? So and so 248 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: now I feel like the future is under threat and 249 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Park is like, well, she's fucked off Isaac, So maybe 250 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: she wasn't the future of the WLEF which is very 251 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: interesting to me because you know, we've seen the Seraphytes there. 252 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: They are obviously brutal, they use primitive strategies, and they're 253 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: not afraid to die in service of what they believe in. 254 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: At the same time, it's crazy to me that the 255 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: WLF is having this much trouble with them, Like I 256 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: don't know what about like cut down all the trees 257 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: in the park. 258 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: Dude, literally, Like this is the thing I've been just like. 259 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: Go at the edge, have a bunch of people with 260 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: guns and one by one just cut the trees down 261 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: until there's no trees there. 262 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: Yet, and everyone runs out, I think, until there's no 263 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: trees there, and then do that in the surrounding areas, 264 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: cut all the trees down, and then put up a 265 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: fucking wall with the trees that. 266 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: You cut down, Like, how is this? How are you 267 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: having this much trouble? 268 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: Guys? 269 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: That is something I find very interesting about this episode 270 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: that I think is very effective for me is the 271 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: kind of like absolute insanity and waste. It's truly between 272 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: the WLS, doesn't need to happen, Like it doesn't even 273 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: really make sense. There's not even a reason for it. 274 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: And you see in this episode that there is like 275 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: a nihilistic cycle of just like we have to destroy 276 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: each other. Why Like if you think you're gonna die, 277 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: if you think your second is gonna die, if you 278 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: think that the only way to continue is just continue 279 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: constantly fighting with these people, It's like why, like just 280 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: leave them to stay in the park and you stay here? 281 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: Like what's even more importantly for for Jesse, for Ellie, 282 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: for Tommy, for Dina is it underlines Jesse's main point, 283 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: which is leave us the fuck out of it, Like 284 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: why are we here? 285 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: He says to Ellie in that parking garage. I'm not 286 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: dying for any scar or any WLF. Yeah, yeah, I'm 287 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: not like this is this is their thing. I don't 288 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: even know what it's about. Let them do that. Let's 289 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here, has nothing to do 290 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: with us. Ellie and Jesse get to the meeting point, 291 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: but there's no Tommy and it's the public library, which 292 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: is setting in the game. Ellie is leafing through all 293 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: the books. Jesse then tells Ellie about the status of 294 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: his relationship with Dina, basically giving he doesn't feel that 295 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: they need his permission, but he wants to make it 296 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: clear that hey, this is that your relationship has It's 297 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: not going to hurt me. 298 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: It's like superseded what him and Dina had, Like he 299 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: can see the way they look at each other, see that, 300 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: and then he kind of shares this really lovely story, right, 301 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: He's like, there was a remember that group. 302 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: There was a girl in a group and they were 303 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: going to Mexico and it was the best two weeks 304 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: of my life. But she was going to go to 305 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: Mexico and I couldn't go with I thought about going 306 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: with her, but he owed it to Jackson quote because 307 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: I was taught to put other people first. 308 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: These are the people which has never been taught. Like 309 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: she is the most important person in the world. 310 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: This is. 311 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: Because, dude, I think. 312 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: A lot about a moment early on in this season 313 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: where she's like screaming that she's immune into the mountains 314 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: with Tommy. 315 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: I'm just like Tommy, I. 316 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: Do not h you know, I don't approve of child abuse, 317 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: but also like fucking slap the shower of her, because 318 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: like this is like you are putting so many people 319 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: at risk, and you are also at this point, like 320 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen, you are essentially an adult in this world 321 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: where many people don't survive that long. She has never 322 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: been taught anything other than that she is the most 323 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: important person to exist. And I think Jesse is such 324 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: a better example of the power of community and how 325 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: being raised to care about other people can make you 326 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 2: an incredible person, an incredible leader. 327 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: It's this is such an important conversation, I think because 328 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: for one, Ellie gets mad, and she gets mad not 329 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: because you can tell and the acting is wonderful, you 330 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: can tell. It's not because she thinks Jesse's wrong. It's 331 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: because he struck home with that one, pointing out how 332 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: reckless and irresponsible she. He called her out, and it 333 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: needed to happen. Look at all that You've put so 334 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: many lives in danger because of this care about you 335 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: say so much Tommy family kid. 336 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: In this version, Tommy and Maria are keeping Jackson Hole safe, 337 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: like you are putting so many people. Jesse has a child, 338 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: which by the way, you knew about, so like why 339 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: and I. 340 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: Mean, I know, Jason, this is a constant conversation start 341 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: for us. 342 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: But like they should have gone home when Dina told her, 343 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: like that's it as soon as you hear there's a baby. 344 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: I mean, think about this. 345 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't even care what Dina says, Like. 346 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: She said she wanted to keep going to her ass 347 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: home because. 348 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: The truth is that in a world. 349 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: You know, we talked a lot about how The Last 350 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: of Us is about life and how life goes on 351 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: when the most horrific things in the world happen. Guess what, 352 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: having a baby is a fucking rare gem of hope 353 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: in this world. Like you should not be putting that 354 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: at risk. And Jesse is absolutely right to fucking put 355 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: Ellie in her place and remind her of that. 356 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: It's a very very important conversation. 357 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: And it's gonna the whole of season. Well, whatever Ellie's 358 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: journey goes next, let's say it rang true. 359 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: On so many levels too, because I'm you know, like 360 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: being a young person in high school and college and later, 361 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: it's like when you know there's that person who's doing 362 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: the right thing, who's good, who's good in school, who's 363 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: like kind, polite, et cetera, and very often like, what 364 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: would my response be as a young person and the 365 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: people around me, you corn ball? 366 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: You should adult? And that's definitely how. 367 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: Outlook, that's very much. Her reaction is, Oh, I get it, 368 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: you're good and I'm bad. 369 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: But like you said, the reason she says that is 370 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: because it hit enough, like you can tell, and this 371 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: is so good. I wish I just wish we'd gotten 372 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 2: more between Bella and young Mazino. I think they're just 373 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: so fucking good together, and I I just would have 374 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: loved to see even more. But yeah, this is one 375 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: of my favorite kind of interactions and team ups throughout 376 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: the show. 377 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: And I hope this is a I hope this is 378 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a big career stepping stone for. 379 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 2: Him, because I mean, he was incredible in Beef, but 380 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: this is even higher profile, and I just really want 381 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: to see him keep getting these incredible dramatic roles because 382 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: he is such a our house in this episode. 383 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: So the radio comes alive and they hear the wolves 384 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: are panicking about a sniper, which is not obviously the 385 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: scars are not out there with with rifles. How could 386 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: That's got to be Tommy right, so loved. 387 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: To snipe people. 388 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: They love it, So they head off to find him. 389 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: Ellie figures out on the way that Abby, Oh wait 390 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: a second, that the wheel over there, that's the thing 391 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: that was talking about. Abby is in the aquarium, which 392 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: is the opposite way from where Tommy is. And Ellie 393 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: is like, well, we're going wait again, Like Tommy, Tommy 394 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: came to save you. 395 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: He has children and a wife that is your he's 396 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: getting for like five years, like please, And she's like, nah, 397 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: you know what, Like he's cool, he's got it, and 398 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: look is that maybe sure, yes, Tommy's a very talented. 399 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: Tommy and Joel. 400 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: Love to snipe, but like, come on, my guy, Like Ellie, 401 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: did you not just learn anything from this incredible ir 402 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: and speech that Jesody just gave you, Like fucking put 403 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: a pin in it and go save your fucking father figure. 404 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: And then maybe he can team up with his little 405 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: snipey rifle and help you do this without fucking dying. 406 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. And Jesse then admits kind of a shocking admission, 407 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: but but it makes sense for who he is and 408 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: what we know about him that he voted no on 409 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: he was to go. He was the no vote. 410 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: I did not see that coming at He then tells 411 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: her everything you do, you do for yourself, which is 412 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure. Ellie blows up at him, and 413 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 2: then Jesse's like, you know what, I hope you survive. Bye, 414 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to save Tommy's life. 415 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: My friend who I came here with to save. Yes, 416 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: fucking ungrateful, Like, come on. 417 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: Ellie makes her way to the aquarium and again the 418 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: recklessness of Ellie and how Lush has come to death 419 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: many times. It's only fate that saves her. Here she 420 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: sees two wolves walking down the dock going to a boat, 421 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: and she's like, watch this. I'm gonna from about eighty 422 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: feet away, I'm gonna shoot them with a nine millery, 423 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: which is like second first of all, in the dark, 424 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: really hard. 425 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: Underrated comic book maybe starring Angelina Jolie wanted. 426 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: Because otherwise, what are you talking about? 427 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 4: Come on? 428 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: This bullet, of course, And can I just say, this 429 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: is not like a normal storm. This is like storm 430 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: of the sanctuary. There's giant like tidal waves. The whole 431 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: of Seattle is flooding. That bullet is getting nowhere like 432 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: five feet probably in that weather, like come on, babe. 433 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: And it's a good thing she didn't take the shot 434 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: because it seconds later five six, seven, eight, WLF small 435 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: boats come to pick up these soldiers and take them 436 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: to you know where Isaac is staging the the WLF 437 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: army for the coming war. And Ellie was certainly about 438 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: to get killed had she taken that shot. Ellie then 439 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: follows another boat. She's making her way across the harbor. 440 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: There she gets swamped by a wave, but manages to 441 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: swim ashore, you know, manages by the skin of her 442 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: teeth to swim ashore because she got a full pack 443 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: filled with AMMO that's got away forty. 444 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: Pounds like concussion from that wave. Like she's not doing well, she's. 445 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: Not her best. 446 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: She locks eyes with a scar child. The scars come 447 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: and take her. 448 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: Put this kid like five, you know, he's about to 449 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: get baby, she's gonna get gutted. 450 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: She's exhausted. She just swum with a full pack ashore. 451 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: She's trying to tell them she's not a wolf. They 452 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: don't care. The gutting process is about to. 453 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: Begin, but they look to the kid to see what 454 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 2: they should do, and the kids like and he's like, yeah, 455 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: just let me like it's happening. 456 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: But then the big horn from the village, and it's 457 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: very clear that the wolf campaign has started against these 458 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: about against the Seraphyite home villages, like. 459 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: It's it's I just got to say, now, the Seraphyites. 460 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: Look, I can't pretend to know what it's like to 461 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: be in a weird religious, medieval cult, but I do 462 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: feel like, guys, couldn't you just have like one walkie talkie? 463 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 3: I feel like, do you need the big horn? Like 464 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 3: do you have to eat that? I must in the lapping. 465 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: I feel like maybe like a. 466 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: Little mix of technology, and you know, I'm not trying 467 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: to judge the way they choose to live their life. 468 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 3: But when the big horn went off, I was cracking up. 469 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, all right, fucking like, all right, 470 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: Henry the eight, like get the boiling oil out. No, 471 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: come on, guys, it's the modern times. 472 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: Just use one one walkie talkie. 473 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: You know. 474 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: The seraphyte who came up with that was like, oh, 475 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: Helm's deep. 476 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: This is this is sick Like I loved when they 477 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: do this in Lord of the Rings. 478 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: Guys, okay, so uh Ellie. Then she gets her reprieve 479 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: because all the Seraphites run off to go defend that, 480 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: and she was. 481 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: Like being hanged. It was almost right here. 482 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ellie runs back to the shore. She gets in 483 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: another boat as explosions are going off behind her. This 484 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the war has begun. She makes her way to the aquarium, 485 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: sneaks in. This whole building is clearly a w LF barracks. 486 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: There's cots everywhere. This is so again, this is crazy 487 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: what she's doing. And she goes on, she just lost, 488 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: like she lost the plot. She goes off in the 489 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: dark looking for Abby. She finds instead Melon Owen arguing 490 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: about something, some choice that Abby has made, something has 491 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: gone astray, which people have played the game will know. 492 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: And Ellie goes in gune up, saying where the fuck 493 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: is Abby Owen Recognition immediately on his face and he's like, well, 494 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: well hold on a second, I'm the one who said 495 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: don't kill her. 496 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: Ah which I kind of love this recurring theme because 497 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: as Joel said to Abby, I saved your life and 498 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: it didn't matter, and Nora said the same thing, we'd 499 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: let you live. 500 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. 501 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: And now Owen he you know, I'm the one who 502 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: kept you alive. But what I love about this moment 503 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: is Owen doesn't believe what Ellie tells him. But I 504 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: do believe that when Ellie tells Owen and Mal that 505 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: she doesn't want to kill them and she won't kill them. 506 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: I think she means that. 507 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: I think what she did to Nora is haunting her, 508 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: and I think there's a version where if she gets 509 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: to find Abby, she maybe lets them go, or at 510 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: least lets mel go I. 511 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: I have a straight haircut I have, which is that 512 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: I agree with you that she means it here because 513 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: I do think that the amount of death that she 514 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: has encountered already, and the close calls with Tommy, with Jesse, 515 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: with Dina, with the er through the leg are have 516 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: I think they've rocked her. And that said, if you 517 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: really don't want to kill them, then yeah, she hasn't 518 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: thought it through all the way to match her intentions 519 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: to her actions, because what she's done. While she totally 520 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: doesn't want to kill them, is she's taken an action 521 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: that can only lead to her. You you're gonna be like, Okay, 522 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: you stand there, or you tie up Mel, and then 523 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: I'll tie up you. Like, how is that gonna work? Ellie? 524 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: It's this is It's not gonna work, right, So one 525 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: thing leads to another. Owen reaches for a gun. Ellie 526 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: shoots with Joel's gun. The bullet goes right through Owen, 527 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: who drops dead. 528 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: It goes through his throat and. 529 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: Goes through his throat and and hits a glancing shot 530 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: on Mel's jugular vein, goes into the wall. Mel looks 531 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: back the shot, realizes she's been hit, blood starting to 532 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: pour from her neck. She falls and she with her 533 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: like dying breaths. She pulls up her jacket and shows 534 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: Ellie that she's pregnant and says, Okay, listen, I need 535 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: you to save the baby. 536 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: Now, I've got a knife. 537 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: Get the knife out. I'm going to talk you through it. 538 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk you through saving the baby. And 539 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Ellie is like, oh my god, like okay, what do 540 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: I do? How do I do? Knife? How deep do 541 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: I have cut and Mel tells her deeper than you think, 542 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: but it immediately Mel loses touch with life, with what's 543 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: actually happening, and is not able to like stay alive 544 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: and hang on long enough to really talk Ellie through it. 545 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: And then Ellie doesn't have the determination to do it. 546 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: And it's in this moment that the full weight of 547 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: everything kind of crashes down on her. She just killed 548 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: an unborn child, just killed a mother, killed two people 549 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: she wasn't looking for. And it was in this it 550 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: was in this moment that we talked a lot about 551 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: the changes, the quotes quote unquote nerving they've done to Ellie, 552 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: and I think that I think that the changes are necessary, 553 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: and it made this scene hit home much more. It 554 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: makes her her It makes the way we think it's 555 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: going to go when she confronts Abby much more earned. 556 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: And I think it also made me think about how 557 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: much more successful Abby's justice mission revenge mission was. Yes, 558 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: like obviously successful, Like obviously it was terrible to kill 559 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Joel in that way in front of a loved one, 560 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: like like that's I can't co sign that. At the 561 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: same time, they got the one person they were setting 562 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: out to get who had done the bad thing. They 563 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: didn't kill anybody else, and then they left. Abby has 564 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: now killed. 565 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: Oh baby, like four or five people already, like. 566 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: Tortured someone basically to death, killed an unborn. 567 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: It's like being lined up. It's bron like the militia 568 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: in Seattle. 569 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and has put the lives of her closest loved 570 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: ones in danger. It's hard not to look at Abby 571 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: and go, well, Abby kind of did it the right 572 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Like I think it's what Abby did too, but she 573 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of did it the most responsible. 574 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: I would also say as well, like, look, I'm not 575 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: Ellie's going through it. I get it, but I've seen. 576 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: Enough like Lifetime movies, which are definitely all based on 577 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: real things and real science, as well as the iconic 578 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven French New Extremity move Inside. 579 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: I think that I think that I think Ellie could 580 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: have cut that baby out, that Tommy even off the 581 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 3: mouth died. 582 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: Not that she has like a law of you know, 583 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't think she really wants to, but I think 584 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: that baby could have survived. I think she should have tried. 585 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: She didn't even try, and that's a kid. She had 586 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: a choice here. Yeah, and I literally choice and death 587 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: she couldn't do it, but yeah, she breaks down. 588 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: The moment breaks her. The moment completely breaks her. And 589 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: speaking of break, let's take a quick break for a 590 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors while we were back. And we're 591 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: back after a while, Jesse, Uh and Tommy arrive at 592 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: the aquarium into this scene of carnage. Ellie broken and 593 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: sobbing and just staring out on her hands and knees 594 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: at this dead mother who she has killed. They pick 595 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: her up. They go back to the theater and Tommy 596 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: and Jesse begin planning their exit strategy to get back 597 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: to Jackson. Tommy, can you see that Ellie is in 598 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: a really bad place, and he tries to once again, 599 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: you were. 600 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: I really like this a conversation, a real honest, authentic. 601 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Just say it, because this is like comes from a 602 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: place of love from Tommy. He basically says, Hey, they 603 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: made their choices, but I gotta say, you're right. I 604 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: have come to feel like, yeah, you got to read 605 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: her the riot at right here, like look at this, 606 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: look at the fucking damage you called. 607 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: Yes, this woman was a pregnant woman who also, by 608 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: the way, if we actually go back and revisit the 609 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: second episode, which I did. 610 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: Mel was never the violent one. 611 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: Mel was the one who wanted to drug Dina so 612 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: she could stay alive. Mel was the one who was, 613 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: you know, most horrified. And Mel was a Karen. Mel 614 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: was a nurse, you know. And I think that makes 615 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: this scene even more heartbreaking than the version that we 616 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: get in the game. 617 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 3: And Tommy needs. 618 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: To tell her, like, yeah, they made their choices, but 619 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: you also fucking made yours, and that's why we're here. 620 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: And you went on And by the way, Abby and 621 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: her crew they took five years to do it, Like, 622 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: they didn't go off in a road exactly. 623 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: They planned it from a community, even if it was 624 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 2: a small community of themselves. 625 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: So they're gonna leave. Ellie's made her peace with that. 626 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: She admits to Tommy that she has come to terms 627 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: with letting Abby survive, letting Abby live, not going after her. 628 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: She thanks Jesse again for saving her, and Jesse says, well, maybe, Tommy, 629 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: like maybe made me do it, you know, forced me 630 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: to do it. And Ellie's like, I know that's not true. 631 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: I know you came after me because you care about. 632 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: Me, because you're a good person, she says with a 633 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: sassy ass, fucking. 634 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: As Yeah, Jesse says then that you know, it occurred 635 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: to him that Ellie would do the same to save his. 636 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 2: Life, which I like that acknowledgement. I really like the 637 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 2: acknowledgment of like he says something like, you know, I 638 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: know you'd burn down the world to come and save 639 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: my life. 640 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 3: And I like that. 641 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 2: Even though he understands that Ellie's choices are not always sensible, 642 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 2: there is a love and a passion behind them, and 643 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 2: that he didn't want to let her down when he 644 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: knew she would not do the same for him. But 645 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 2: then yeah, like you said, shots ring out, and maybe. 646 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: You shouldn't have come, Jesse. Yes. Uh, they opened the 647 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: doors to go see what's going out out in the hall, 648 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: and Jesse's immediately killed, shot dead. It's it's just right 649 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: in the face, just like the fast and shocking. It's Abbie. 650 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: She's there and she's got Tommy down on the ground, prisoner, 651 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: and we don't know what he is, don't know where 652 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: Dina is. Ellie. Then the you know, the full weight 653 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: of how badly this is gone and all and all 654 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: the carnage, I think it comes down on her and 655 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: she is like, listen, I'm the one I did it, 656 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: taking responsibility. Really for the first time, I did it. 657 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: I killed your friends. Let me I'm the one you want. 658 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to trade myself for Tommy. Okay, let them 659 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: live and just take me. Abby then tells Ellie like 660 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: I let you live and you wasted it, and then 661 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: gunshot fade to black. We'll talk about that in the day. 662 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: We flash back to today one Manny wakes up Abby 663 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: from a dream. He says, Isaac wants to see you, 664 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: and she looks out over the WLF base at Luminfield 665 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: and we see the WLF preparing for this massive fight 666 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: against the Seraphyites. And I think it's clear from this 667 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: that season three is going to be large part from 668 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: Abby's perspective, Okay, let's talk about that cliffhanger. I think 669 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: people are going to I think a lot of listen, 670 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: this has been a. 671 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: It's gonna be crazy, least for the at least for a. 672 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: Lot of like the game century, the gamer centric audience 673 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: has been a divisive season. Yeah, I think they're going 674 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: to fucking hate Yeah. 675 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: I don't think people are gonna love it. I also 676 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: think there's. 677 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: A lot I liked it. 678 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 3: I liked it. I think it works. 679 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 2: I would love if they were brave enough to just 680 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: have season three basically or be from Abby's perspective, like 681 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 2: we get and they. 682 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: Make you wonder, yeah, and then make you wonder till. 683 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: Maybe that finale or season four, which they are now saying, 684 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 2: you know, they hope they get, which I think is 685 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 2: very interesting and we will talk about this more on 686 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: the round table, but we are pretty far into the 687 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: game at this point. So the idea that I would say, 688 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: like Sea yeah, is really interesting. But yeah, I'm really 689 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 2: stoked to dig into this in the round table because. 690 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 3: I think I think this really like this brought the 691 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 3: whole season I agree up for. 692 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: Me, I feel like it elevated the season, which had 693 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 2: been uneven I think six and absolutely oh six and seven. 694 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 695 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: I think they have an emotional heart and an interesting 696 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: kind of expansion. Answered a lot of the critiques we 697 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: had about like wanting to know more about the WLF, 698 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 2: wanting to know more about the scars, wanting to kind 699 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: of understand what was at stake in Seattle, and I 700 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 2: think that it really does that. And I think that 701 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: because of the addition of kind of mel asking Ellie 702 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 2: to save the baby and also the conversations between Ellie 703 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 2: and Jesse. I just think we got something here that's 704 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 2: going to go down as definitely one of the most 705 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 2: divisive binalis, but also I think one of the best. 706 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: I completely agree. I thought all of those moments, the 707 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: conversations between Jesse and Ellie, the moment where Ellie is, 708 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, tears in her eyes watching this woman that 709 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: she'd killed bleed out, and as she begs, like for 710 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: the life of her unborn child, I think those are 711 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: the moments that made this show about more than just 712 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: the story it's telling, and made it about this kind 713 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: of very deep questions about the value of life versus 714 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:33,240 Speaker 1: the value of death, revenge versus justice, community versus selfishness, 715 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: the balance between all these things. All of those kind 716 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: of like really deep ideas were contained in those scenes. 717 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: And I agree with you, like this a real high 718 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: point for this season and a real emotional like gut 719 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: punch and completely I can't wait to see where it is. 720 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk more about this in the 721 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: roundtable with our crew, because this is a really wi Yes, 722 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 2: stay tuned for that coming up soon. 723 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: In the next few episodes of X Ray Vision will 724 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: dive deeper into the season of the Last of Us 725 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: on Thursday, We're gonna explore the history of Mission Impossible 726 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: stunts on Friday, and of course Saturday News News for 727 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: this episode, Thanks for listening, Goodbye. X ray Vision is 728 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: hosted by Jason steps Young and Rosie Night and is 729 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart podcasts. 730 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 731 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar. 732 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay wag. 733 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 734 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 735 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 736 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: Heidi our Discord moderate them