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Please keep in mind that 19 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: all of my guests are nonness, so listen again this 20 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: week's episode. So I am super excited to bring my 21 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: guests back from her episode I sell my paintings as 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: we talked more about her survivement sas tracking. So to 23 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: my guests, how are you doing? Hi, I'm good, glad 24 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: to be here. Thanks for having me. I know, I'm 25 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: super excited to speak with you your books like within 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: two days, and it was so it was good, but 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: it was also informative and heartbreaking as well. Nice. Thank 28 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: you for supporting my story. Definitely appreciate you grabbing those books, 29 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: I know, even though Amazon's cost block in right right. So, 30 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: before I begin, I want to apologize for a comment 31 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: that I made during our previous conversation. So I was 32 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: listening to our episode that's coming out tomorrow, and I 33 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that selling paint is is easy. And when I 34 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: was listening to it, I realized that's not what I 35 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: meant to say, but I think it just came out 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: of my mouth iever it was saying, and I want 37 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that expressed the listeners that any job 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: it's not easy, especially when it's a service possess a 39 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: service shop, because I want to put that out there nice. 40 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: I think, well, I can't remember extensibly what I said, 41 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: but I think I might have said something, uh, you know, 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: guards regards to that and I knew what you meant, 43 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: but I, you know, definitely said just being an entrepreneur 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: in general has challenges, right. I want to throw that 45 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: out there because I was like, that's not what I 46 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: meant or why did it come out like this? So 47 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: part being in your story, can you explain what sex 48 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: trafficking is? Mm hmm. You know you might have to 49 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: pull up Google for that. And you know, well, of 50 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: course when somebody is sold without their will UM, and 51 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: those moneys, you know, do not go towards that person. UM. 52 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: A lot of people when they think about sex trafficking, though, 53 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: they're like, um, you know the movie What Taken, UM, 54 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: And that's their idea of trafficking is, you know, somebody 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: getting kidnapped, UM, possibly put on drugs. I don't really 56 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: remember taking. It's probably been like Jesus that we probably 57 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: came out close to a deck gay to go UM. 58 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: But people think trafficking generally looks like somebody being kidnapped, 59 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: UM ugg sold against their will, and of course that 60 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: trafficker keeping the profits and you know that happens sometimes. 61 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: But trafficking is just sex trafficking. Let's be specific, because 62 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, the most common form of trafficking in the 63 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: United States is not sex trafficking. It's UM. Labor trafficking. 64 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: Human trafficking trafficking are not the same thing. Somebody be 65 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: sex traffick, they have to be selling some type of 66 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: sexual services against their will, uh, for you know another party. UM. 67 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: That's it. Now, when most people get sex trafficked, at 68 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: least in the United States, they are not in like 69 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: in UM. You know, they might ultimately be taken by 70 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: their taken from their homes from you know, a most 71 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: emotional and or physical But most trafficking victims know they're trafficker. 72 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: They're not like picked up at Walmart m and randomly kidnapped. UM. 73 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: But to answer your question again, trafficking sex trafficking is 74 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: when somebody is sold for sexual services against their will. UM. 75 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: I just threw that out here at the beginning of 76 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: our podcast because a lot of people think, you know 77 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: that most tracking happened at random, or you're gonna get kidnapped. 78 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: Of course, kidnapping happens, and those are all things. You know, 79 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: we should all be aware of our surroundings. But if 80 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: you have children, or if you're a young adult or 81 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: a teenager yourself, you should be aware of who you're 82 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: talking to on the internet, or common scheme these traffickers used. 83 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: The common scheme is not hanging out at Walmart to 84 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: kidnap some random person. So let's get up to it. 85 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: What do you think it to me? Here plays until 86 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: the misconceptions of sex traffickings. Um they do. Um. So 87 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: I would say the biggest anti trafficking organizations out there 88 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: that are against sex trafficking, most of them are religious organizations. Um. 89 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want this to be a podcast, 90 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, broad uh bashing the Christian community, because that's 91 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: you know, not why we're here. But most of them 92 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: are run by religious organizations. And you know, I'm gonna 93 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: just put this out here really quick because I'm not 94 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: like here to bash you know, Christian listeners or anything 95 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: of that name. Abolishing the commercial sex trade is not 96 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: the same thing as ending trafficking and you know, as 97 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: addict being and also somebody who volunteers, who works willingly 98 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: in the such industry. Now, Um, if listeners would take 99 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: like anything from this conversation, like one thing, I would 100 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: like really love them to understand what the difference between 101 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: the commercial sex trade is and sex trafficking mhm. UM, 102 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: because I'm not really behind most of these anti tracking organizations. UM, 103 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: I think the sex industry should definitely be legal as 104 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: a worker in the industry willingly currently and UM, these 105 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: anti trafficking organizations are you know, they're pain in my ass? 106 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that the the sex working industry will 107 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: become legal? Um. Most people in the industry do not 108 00:07:52,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: want sex work to become legal because with legalization, UM 109 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot of heavy regulation regulation. UM. So as a 110 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: pretty general standpoint of course, I can't see for all 111 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: sex workers. But like if you did a poll, you 112 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: would probably find that a majority of sex workers do 113 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: want is we want to decriminalize mhm. So when you 114 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: decriminalize the commercial sex trade, this takes away well, when 115 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you decriminalize sex trade, a lot of things happen. UM. 116 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: You decriminalize certain laws. So this takes away incentive for 117 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: prosecutors to prosecute people who are willingly working in the 118 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: sex trade. This might execution of people, and it shouldn't 119 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: take away prosecution of people who are trafficking people against 120 00:08:53,480 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: the will. Um. When you decriminalize sex work, people who 121 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: are willingly working in the sex trade are no longer 122 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: getting caught up in traffic in trafficking state prostitution stings. 123 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: And they also don't have to do things like, say, 124 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: pay for a sheriff's card, which where prostitution is legal 125 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: in Nevada. Uh, those women who work there have to 126 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: pay healty fees to work under somebody else, which is bullshit, 127 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Like we don't want we don't want to be forced 128 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: to work, right, we don't want to be forced to 129 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: work under somebody else in the sex industry. A lot 130 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: of us want to work independently. Anybody who does want 131 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: to work at a brothel, but right, don't want to 132 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: be forced to work in brothels. Not everyone wants to 133 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: work at brothel when things go mainstream and you legalize 134 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: sex work and force people to do stuff like work 135 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: at brothels. So a lot of what type of people 136 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: don't get hired are a lot of black people don't 137 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: get hired, a lot of trans people don't get hired, 138 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people who really need to do sex 139 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: work because for whatever reason they can't do other work. 140 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: And that's what we talked about in your first episode 141 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: about right mhm um. So yeah, if the listeners here 142 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: could take away anything. I mean, if you have kids, 143 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: away is to you know, know if your kids are 144 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: doing and be active in your children's lives. Um. Outside 145 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: of that, if you don't have kids, I'm sure you 146 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: have nieces or nephews or somebody who's younger in your 147 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: wife you care about. But outside of that that, the 148 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: commercial sex trade and sex trafficking are not the same 149 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: thing mm hmm. And the media really puts it on, 150 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: puts it on heavy because of these uh, really large 151 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: corporations and charities. Y'all can't see me, but hopefully you 152 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: can hear my tone have charities and air quotes. Um, 153 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: so it's really debatable whether they're helping the community. Um. 154 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: And these are the people who dictate for the most 155 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: part mm hmm. Are people who just don't like the 156 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: sex industry, which isn't which isn't good in my opinion. 157 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: M h um. Not everybody who's been, of course, decides 158 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: to go on and continue to work in the sex industry, 159 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: but some of us do. And even to the trafficking 160 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: victims who decide that they don't want to work in 161 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: the industry anymore. You know, I feel terribly, feel terribly 162 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: that I was traffic but I don't think that the 163 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: fact that we were traffic should take away somebody's right 164 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: to work at the strip club. I don't, right, I agree? 165 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: Are there any nice to recognize that someone is being 166 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: to a sex trafficked? And it's so what aren't UM? 167 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: You can find a list and I can send you 168 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: some linkage maybe to include with like an official list, 169 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: But from my opinions, some things that you can look 170 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: out for, UM, right, and the younger crowd. You know, 171 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: kids coming to school and you know, their clothing maybe off. 172 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: They may be arriving to school late all the time. 173 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: Their attendants might not be what it used to UM 174 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: when before they were a pretty dependable, reliable, pretty just 175 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: normal goes to school every day student. UM has to 176 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: look for the simple signs of domestic violence. Most people, 177 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are being trafficked, you know, 178 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: like I said, being kidnapped at random. They are being 179 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: usually trafficked by somebody who they've known previously, because there's 180 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: some some element of trust that makes them willing to 181 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: put themselves in a vulnerable position this person. So I 182 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: mean traffickers UM. When they traffic younger people, UM, they 183 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: usually I think they go after ages seventeen. But I 184 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: haven't researched UM trafficking sex trafficking here a while. UM. 185 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: I used to pretty on the statistics, but not so 186 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: much anymore. UM. But they're usually targeting, UH, younger people. 187 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: They're targeting people whose parents are involved in their lives, 188 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: vulnerable miners, people who might be involved in foster care. 189 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: There they might just have, you know, for the dissy 190 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: parents who just aren't that attentive. Mm. Um. They're targeting 191 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: people who have possibly been sexually abused already before. People 192 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: who have been sexually abused more likely to be candidates 193 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: of sexual abuse again. Sadly, UM, A lot of younger 194 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: victims of sex trafficking are introduced to it by a 195 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: family member, somebody who would do UM to be able 196 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: to get this person in this vulnerable position. Let's far 197 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: from the beginning of your story. How was your upbringing? UM? 198 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Grew up in a middle upper class household. My dad 199 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: had a pretty good sales job. My mom went to Yale. 200 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: My sister also went to an Ivy League school. UM. 201 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: I was the youngest then, was like, pretty normal. What 202 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: would a relationship like with your parents? UM? It was good, 203 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: but it was kind of not very personable. I was 204 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: closer with my mom than with my dad. My dad 205 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: worked a lot. Um, my mom stayed home and worked 206 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: some part time jobs, but she was mostly in the house. Um. Yeah, 207 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: about kind of lonely growing up. I grew up in 208 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: Um it's become more diverse now, but when I grew 209 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: up there, it wasn't very diverse. Um. I don't really 210 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: feel like I had a lot of people who I 211 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: could relate to. Mm hmm. Do you think if your 212 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: parents would have been more attentive things might would have 213 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: been different? Um, that's quite possible mm hm um, But 214 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean I really don't know. Like I used to 215 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: really be pretty adamant, like maybe if my parents were 216 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: more attentive, that my situation would have been different. And 217 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, to an extent, I feel like that's definitely true. Um. 218 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: I can't say I never would have met my trafficker 219 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: left my house, but I feel like if my parents 220 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: were more attentive, I definitely wouldn't have been in that 221 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: situation nearly as long as I was. Um. So, I 222 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: don't really know if I talked about this extensively in 223 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: my books, but I did introduce various friends, either from 224 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: school or just knowing them around the city through acquaintances 225 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: to my trafficker. And they were trafficked with me anywhere 226 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: from a couple of days. I know I talked about 227 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: at least one of these girls actually, now that I 228 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: think about it. But anyways, they were trafficked with me 229 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: anywhere from a couple of days to a few weeks. 230 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, these um people 231 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: who I was trafficked with had more receptive family members 232 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: who were more keen on finding them, getting them home 233 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: whatever the fuck. So, uh, they weren't traffic as long 234 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: as mo Yeah, just nothing jump ahead. But I do 235 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: remember you speaking about one girl how she was. I 236 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: think she went to jail and then she just went 237 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: back to her family in New York afterwards, right, And 238 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: you were also bullying in school too, Yeah, I was 239 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: um bullied in elementary and middle school. Um. I ended 240 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: up going to high school closer to the city that 241 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: had to The racism UM I dealt with in middle 242 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: school was racist in nature. Mm hmm. And then you 243 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: also started watching porn by the age of eight. Looking back, 244 00:17:52,960 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: why do you think he was so fascinated about it? Um, 245 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. UM. Going back and talking to 246 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: people who are my age now, UM, seems like more 247 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: people than we know might have been watching porn at 248 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: a young age post not watching as much poring because 249 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: maybe unsupervised downtime with me, UM, but I'm not sure, 250 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: just fascinated by it. UM, and I don't know, no 251 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: parental supervision. So and when they do start participating in 252 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: chat rooms that was a big thing when we were 253 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: growing up to UM right that too. I don't want 254 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: to like normalize the behavior because I can't speak for everybody, 255 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: but as I've gotten older and like talk to that's 256 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: what does seem like chat rooms and people possibly looking 257 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: at poor then all this ship was not popular but yeah, 258 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: pretty popular popular And I'm even thinking about it. I 259 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: remember watching porn when I was a kid, but I 260 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: don't know how I was introduced to it. Oh you 261 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: know what, I think it looks like cinemax or something. 262 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: Right for me, it was just streaming on HBO, so mhm. 263 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: You stumble upon it and then either it catches your 264 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: interests or it doesn't. Doing your time in the chat room, 265 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: you met a man named Daniel, and I was very 266 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: disgusted about this right, So I'm gonna tell you about it. 267 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: You know, it has contacted me as an adult. What right? 268 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: So I met Daniel when um before he tells the 269 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: sort of what happened, did you personally or like? And 270 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: and I think he might have responded like trying to 271 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: denying or whatever. And so then I posted this picture 272 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: on Facebook for a little while and he was like 273 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: really annoyed and angry. He got um a wife and 274 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: a son. Mm hmm got a wife and a son. Mhm. 275 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: It's fucking gross. So I met Daniel when I was 276 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: probably like, I don't know, ten eleven, and I met him, 277 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: um right, um, way older than me. I met him 278 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: on black planet dot com um, and he was aware 279 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: of how old I was. It's so like people are 280 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: just so just so fucking dumb. So, you know, a 281 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of people I went to high school with, sorry 282 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: to backtrack, a lot of people I went to high 283 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: school with have read my books, and a lot of 284 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: people are like really judgmental, like this one person read 285 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: my books and likes about it. Like, so to anybody 286 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: who has read this girl, do you all think that 287 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: it was like her fault or like Daniel's fault? M HM. 288 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: So just to clarify this person, Daniel definitely knew that 289 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: under age. But even if I had lied about my age, 290 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: which I did not, I was probably like four or 291 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: sixth time. I'm only like four ten now, Um, I 292 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: was pretty like pre progressive. Not to get into like 293 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of details, but so this person definitely should 294 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: have known I was a minor, and I told them 295 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: how old I was, so Dresser put dad out there. 296 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: But I met Daniel when I was under the age 297 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: of twelve. M This was before I went to middle 298 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: school and not scribe to you all. But even when 299 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: you describe yourself like you're describing a child in your book, 300 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: right like he knew you was a child just by 301 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: physically looking at you. Definitely a child, right definitely appeared 302 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: to be a child. I haven't gone into middle school 303 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: yet and I'm a legal midget currently now I'm toward ten. 304 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: So this person, without a doubt knew I was a child. 305 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm not. I wasn't like a six ft tall they exist. 306 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't not a six ft tall like twelve year old, 307 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: although they exist, I was not one of them. He 308 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: knew I was a child. Um, so we taught time, 309 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: and you know, it's really gross looking back on it, 310 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: but you know, he was really romantic with me, and 311 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: you know I liked him, so I agreed to meet 312 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: up with him. He drove probably close to an hour, 313 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: and I went back to his house and you know, 314 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: long story short, we had um a sexual experience. So 315 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: he uh sexually assaulted me. That was a minor. He 316 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: gave me alcohol and marijuana. That was my first time 317 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: smoking weed, and we had a sexual experience. So he's 318 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: a child molester. Um, and you know that kind of 319 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: set up. Well, that was my first sexual experience, so 320 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: that did set up my the rest of my sexual experiences. 321 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: That was my first sexual experience with anybody else. Mm 322 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: hmm um. I met with Daniel at one time and 323 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: then was just like just grossed out by the whole thing, 324 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: and then started dating guys closer to my age, but 325 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: it was still mostly they had an older guys mostly 326 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: dating um sexual predators. Does that make you look at 327 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: men differently? Now? I mean possibly, but it's hard for 328 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: me to even say that that alone makes me look 329 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: at men differently. I had now been in the industry, 330 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: um by my own free will, for like nine to 331 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: ten years now, And I mean that by itself will 332 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of make you look at men differently. Um. Of course, 333 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: not gonna make this ship a ship shows. Talk about 334 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: my clients and potential clients. Some of them are great people, um, 335 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: but some of them are not m hm um. A 336 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: lot of them might be good people to me, but 337 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: they might be married and you know, to their wife 338 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: who they lying to, they are not a good person 339 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: to her. So yeah, that'll make you look at men differently. 340 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: So how did you meet as I'm an ace at 341 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: the mall, the local mall in my area in the 342 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: suburbs of North Atlanta. Mm hmm um. He hit on me. 343 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: I think I was probably I think I was like 344 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen when I met Ace. Um, he hit 345 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: on me pretty quickly. That was my first like real boyfriend, 346 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: and he was away out of my league, but not 347 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: in a good way either. But I was definitely not 348 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: even to say I was sheltered because my parents didn't 349 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: pay too much attention to me. But I definitely, Um, 350 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the suburbs, so I 351 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: wasn't very street smart or anything. And you know, Ace 352 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: was in He was older than me, and he was 353 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: involved in like just a lot of ship you know, 354 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: but I had like no business needing to be introduced 355 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: to mm hmm. What was another red place? You know? 356 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: Is an ace before y'all broke up. I mean, those 357 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: those are some pretty major red flags. I'm not sure 358 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: I have too much to add. Um. Of course, the 359 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: red flag um that he's gonna be willing to talk 360 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: to somebody age. So again, his age is red flag. 361 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: Um he was I was fourteen years him he was 362 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen approximately, um, which is a significant age gap, 363 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: but in my opinion wouldn't even be such a significant 364 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: age gap if um, and it really still is. But 365 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: it's just even worse that he's been to prison. I mean, 366 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: right in, eighteen or nineteen year old is graduated or 367 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: graduating from high school, where a fourteen or fifteen year 368 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: old has not started. Right, Um, that age difference isn't 369 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: so big an adults like a twenty year old dating 370 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: a four year old, but or being just about British 371 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: middle school and being done with high school and in college. Yeah, 372 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: those are like completely um different matority levels. Right, they'll 373 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: literally have like nothing in com on a reason. One 374 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: of the reason why, I asked, because you mentioned your 375 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: book that he assaulted you because he thought you was 376 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: cheating on him. Yes. Um, so that would be like 377 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: the last the last red flag noticed before we stopped speaking, 378 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: or about about to three years at least. So after 379 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I broke up, what was different with him when you 380 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: reconnected with him after two years later? I can't say 381 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: much had changed from like anality standpoint, but um I 382 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: was because when I had met Ace when earlier on, 383 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: it was not really financially well off. When I ran 384 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: back into him, and he seemed from my financial standpoint, 385 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: like you know, he out and was doing pretty well 386 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: for himself. Mm hmm. I was a senior in high 387 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: school then, and and I was sick of living in 388 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: the suburbs of Atlanta. Um I lived like an out 389 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: from downtown. And you know, I wanted to be able 390 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: to do well for myself and be independent too. Mm hm. 391 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: So I didn't introduced and explained prostitution to you. Um 392 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: so he explained to me while I met him at 393 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: the mall, we exchanged numbers. He told me that you know, 394 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: he could might have worked for me and might be 395 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: able to come live with him. Um he explained, it's 396 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: me and presented it to me as escorting UM. He 397 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: also told me he might get me on webcamps and 398 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: stuff when I was eighteen. UM. I was open to that. 399 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: But what I was not open to UM was not 400 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: keeping any of my money or not being able to 401 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: leave UM. And also just put out some basic laws 402 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: and facts here for y'all. Finers cannot willingly you cannot 403 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: willingly participate in the commercials trade legally, right mm hmm. 404 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: So when he was explaining this to you, with you 405 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: with your thoughts, and I was fairly open to it. 406 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: I was excited to have the possibilities live near campus, 407 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: to have someone to show me around down down, to 408 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: be able to have the finances I needed to independent 409 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: as an adult. Now, your first night you didance for 410 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: his friends? How did you feel? Are you nervous? I wasn't, 411 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: but I don't know, a little more probably than your 412 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: average teenager, A pretty fearless team. M hmm I if anything, 413 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, I felt a little bit of comfort knowing 414 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: that this was Ace's friend UM, actually someone who I 415 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: had met before UM, but out with or anything, but 416 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, just knew of UM. At first. I was excited. UM. 417 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: I realized things might not be as they seemed when 418 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: um Ace did not let me keep the money from 419 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: that transaction. He assured me that he would be taken 420 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: care of, um, although he would be handling all finances. 421 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I was young and dumb and 422 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: went for it. Mm hmm. And I know you was 423 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: pissed when you, um, when he took the money from 424 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: right and your second week of working, when you went 425 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: full force and create a back page. How was that night? 426 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: How do you feel? Um, still a bit going on 427 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: the and moved out of my parents house. Um, things 428 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: were still going relatively well. Um, you know, with my 429 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: own money, getting my nails done, et cetera. I felt 430 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: like things were good. Um, it wasn't probably maybe a 431 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: month in a month or two in I don't know 432 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: when really, when the police ran into his spots he 433 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: was selling drugs. UM. I can't speak for Ace, of course. UM. 434 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: So about two months after, and I've moved into him 435 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: and to his hotel room. That hotel was rated by 436 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: the police and neither of us were arrested um in 437 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: that ordeal. But all of our things were um lost 438 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: because of it, and that like the first I guess 439 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: real stressful event we went through together, and what made 440 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: you think about your parents house? Um? Then that really 441 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been that serious. Um. But ultimately I was 442 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: just kind of bored staying there in the suburbs of Um. 443 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: You know, at this point, I was seventeen. I still 444 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: didn't have a first learner's permit or driver's license. They're 445 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: apprehensive to you how to drive, and you know, I 446 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: was just really kind of yearning first more mm hmm. 447 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: I was curious, what's your parents going going through anything? 448 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: But then not to like check up on you to 449 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: make sure you can do this stuff. I mean, I 450 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: cannot say that they didn't tell me at all, and 451 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: y'all have to understand that. But like right on the 452 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: cusp of technology really becoming popular. So there are two 453 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: years aparties two years older than me. Me and my brother, 454 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: in my opinion, were like the first generation of kids 455 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: to its cell phones and the first generation of kids 456 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: where it might have been there to be a family 457 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: computer with internet in the home. And of course these 458 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: things might have existed I don't know, ten to fifteen 459 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: years before we had access to them, but they weren't 460 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: nearly as common as they were most of the people 461 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: who I went to school with, UM, but the and 462 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: they're in high school at least they had a cell 463 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: phone and a lot of my friends in middle school 464 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: we had cell phones, whereas their brothers and sisters there's 465 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: and sisters who are five or six years older than us, 466 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: they didn't have cell phones and you know, wide access 467 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: to the internet when they were growing in the same home. 468 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: Like five years I've been off at college when you know, 469 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: we were starting to get access to this ship. Now, 470 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I'm not like, I'm not 471 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: religious and not into fake forgiveness, so you know, I 472 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: don't give my parents like too many passes. Like I 473 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: still think they should have been more attentive. I don't think. 474 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I can, uh just be 475 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: a bit understanding that I grew up when came out UM, 476 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: and I think that was one of my biggest downfall 477 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: and to why I got involved in trafficking. Mm hmm. 478 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, your parents ever had a conversation and they apologize. UM, 479 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: we have, but in my opinion, I have not gotten 480 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: um any like meaningful apology to me. UM. I feel 481 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: like they want me to take more accountability for my 482 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: actions than I'm willing to. Um, I don't know. I 483 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: feel like, at the end of the day, if my 484 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: child moved out and they were a minor, and you 485 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: know they were uh a questionable man, I don't know 486 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: looking for my kid, that's just me. Um, I was 487 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: not looked for so right. I mean they can say 488 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: they look for me. But at the end of the 489 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: I watched like crime TV and I see how some 490 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: of these parents be. I see the police and they'll 491 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: be like, well, we don't really know if we need 492 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: to find a missing per sport because they're almost eighteen 493 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they're do not go for that 494 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: ship at fucking all. They don't want to hear that 495 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: ship fucking all, and they go fucking look for their kids. Right, 496 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: So in my mind, there's no excuses. No, I have 497 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: not got the apology that i've sir, do you think 498 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: you would for the other what you do? I mean, 499 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: me and my parents have like a cordial and kind 500 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: of coaches ship. I've pretty much come to terms with attack. 501 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: I mean, my parents are getting older, They're gonna be 502 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: in the seventies soon. I don't think that they will 503 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: be changing opinion on what happened, right, move their away. 504 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: As you also arrested the rested multiple times for prostitution. 505 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're arrested. I was arrested three times. 506 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: And what were your parents reaction? Because I know you're dead, 507 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: they build you out the first time, right, Um the reaction, 508 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: of course they were disappointed, um blah, but um one 509 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: of the reasons that, Um, I kind of feel like 510 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: I went back to ACE and you know, I won't 511 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: put all theme on my parents, but I definitely do 512 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: wish they could have been, uh more hopful. Um at 513 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: the end of the day. So I got back with 514 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: my parents and you know, they still were helpful, Like 515 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: they still didn't want to teach me how to drive, 516 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: that's what they wasn't. Still they still wasn't pile for you, right, 517 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: So I moved back in with them and still just 518 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: kind of still wanting independence. I mean, now I'm an 519 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 1: ad I'm not in school, Um figure out possibly going 520 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: to college, but there's no colleges for them. Um, they 521 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: weren't helpful. Whereas they had put my brother through school 522 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: and I paid for his dorm and stuff. It didn't 523 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: seem they didn't seem forthcoming with um those options for me. 524 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: Mind you, I'm still only like eighteen or nineteen at 525 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: the time. It's definitely not for me too to get 526 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: into the college game, but just generally unhelpful. Right, Um, 527 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: what did I think? Well, there is two years older 528 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: than me, and he would have been at college at 529 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: the time. Um, we didn't really correspond too much about 530 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: what his opinion was. Of course he thought a nigga, 531 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: but um, we didn't speak too much. He was out 532 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: of the house in college. My older two links were 533 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: also um out of the house either in college or 534 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: graduated from college. So it was just you know, me, 535 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: my parents to me at the house. Right. And how 536 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: many times have you been assaulted while working? Because when 537 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: I was reading those stories, I'm just like I had 538 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: to stop reading because it was just especially what you 539 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: described in a certain situation, it was very like heartbreaking. 540 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: It was sad. Same Um. Honestly, in some form way 541 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: or the other. I've probably been did um in the 542 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: industry too many times to count. Yeah, did you ever 543 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: feel like something worse was gonna happen? Um? I always 544 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: felt like it was a possibility, of course, Um, And 545 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: you're right UM, look on my time in the industry, 546 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: I definitely feel very fortunate to be here right working 547 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: as a consensual sex worker. Now, hey, I'm still every 548 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: day i'm here, I feel fortunate to um be here. Um. 549 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: I'd say one of the biggest cons about sex work, 550 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: UM is how dangerous it can be. Mm hmm, especially 551 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: when nigga is not want to use protection right from 552 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: people doing stuff like stealthing, which is what we call 553 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: when um, y'all might start sexual experience with a condom 554 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: and they try to take off the condom. Um. Anything 555 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: from people being unpredictable to people just liking to a 556 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: tax workers. UM. Honestly, I feel like I'm more active 557 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: in the community. Of course now that you know I'm 558 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: not with the trafficker. Then was when I was in trafficking, 559 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: and now I like I see it more Sadly, sex 560 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: worker murdered, sex work by stalking client, sex worker murdered 561 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: by date, sex worker shot outside strip club, et cetera. 562 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And when you a goal is tell a happened, 563 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: what did he do? Because he didn't he said that 564 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: he was going to protect himself. But I know they 565 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: had to really blow your mind, right at the end 566 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: of the day. One of the things that often a 567 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: pimpbody that calls himself a pimp, will say that they're 568 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: offering you it's protecting, but they're usually not on the 569 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: strip with you physically. The UM only offers so much protection. 570 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: Mhm mm hmm. That sounds like your trip to Barbados, 571 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: because you was there for like three months, and I 572 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: know you was really excited about join her first, right, 573 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if I mentioned this in my book, 574 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: but you left a lot of things out here. But 575 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure you went through way more than 576 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: what you up put in your book, and too much 577 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: to even really put in one book. Um, I wrote 578 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: these books some years ago. Well, I don't know. I 579 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: feel like I was more like concerned about protecting people. 580 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,919 Speaker 1: And you could get out that nigga's name, you could 581 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: not like really don't owe him any not any anything 582 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: to make him anonymous. They don't owe him that. But 583 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: we went to Barbados, umre my third time, or I 584 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: think this is like my second time getting arrested, a 585 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: right second time getting arrested, and him and this girl 586 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 1: who he had known for a pretty long time family 587 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: friends again, this is how the girls get introduced to 588 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: traffickings through friends, family, somebody they know. Um the person 589 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: who took us, who was I think her name in 590 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: the book is Vanessa mm hm, Vanessa in the book 591 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: is Vanessa physically. I stayed in Barbados for three months 592 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: who worked at the strip clubs there? Um, which I 593 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: mean all strip clubs, even strip clubs out of the States, 594 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: have prostitution going on. But I don't know I've accepted 595 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: in Barbados. Um, the money wasn't like I mean, all 596 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: could have been great, like if ace a piece of ship. Uh. 597 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, we've gotten like a big fight. I 598 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: don't ever over what smash my computer to the hotel 599 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: and Ason Vanessa was hugged up, okay, hugged up. So 600 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: I was mad. Vanessa broke my computer. Um and we left. 601 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: So um I continue a and Barbados for like another 602 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have any money to leave up about one 603 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 1: way tickets and I was trying to get my money 604 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: up so I could buy a ticket and go back 605 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: home into these motherfucker's in the town while they my 606 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: person like stole my passport. They get you away from 607 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: your house, they take your documents and they make it 608 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: real fucking difficult to get the so um. I ultimately 609 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: had to get that of a Baisian police officer and 610 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: the help of the US embassy to get back home. 611 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,479 Speaker 1: I never got that passport back. And also during this time, 612 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: you were introduced to cocaine whatever a time when you 613 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: were just like you in that moment, you just like, 614 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: you know what the fun is going on? I mean 615 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: I was, but but when I left my trafficking situation, 616 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: there weren't many of these resorts. So I went to 617 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,839 Speaker 1: a red and at the rehab they were like, yeah, 618 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: y'all just need to be completely super or you're gonna 619 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,479 Speaker 1: have a terrible life. I didn't find to their religion there. 620 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: I'm still smoking weed now it's better for me. Um yeah, 621 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: I kind of like rehab was a complete voice of time. 622 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: It was definitely like you think being trafficked would have 623 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: been shock full enough. But I have to understand, so 624 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: I came from like a real well to do family. 625 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: I was introduced to bad but fast and still at 626 00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: oftentimes glamorous. So um. So I got to this rehab 627 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: and like um country Georgia and like just a real 628 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 1: poor a poor town. I don't want to say what 629 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: people would like those standards and that it's trailer trash, 630 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: but I mean that's what that's what I got off. 631 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: Motherfucker in a bubble home now, y'all. So I mean 632 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: take my take my comments how how you want them. Like, 633 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 1: if you're offended, you're offended. But um, it was a 634 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: fucking culture shock to me. Bro, people continuing at McDonald's 635 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: motherfucker's have to rehab, just telling you you should can't 636 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: work in your job at McDonald's, Just utter craziness. Just Chris, 637 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: what would you change about rehabbing your book? I was like, 638 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: why is the person that that rehab? Why did why 639 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: did they don't pay the programs to that particular personally? 640 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be a general thing. I mean, I I 641 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: was being trafficked, but ultimately I feel like I went 642 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: to the rehab to so with having been trafficked. Um, 643 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: because I mean, I hate to put this out there, 644 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: but I mean I even did some cocaine after I 645 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: left the rehab, and you know, I just did it 646 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,399 Speaker 1: that night, and you know that was that. I don't 647 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,320 Speaker 1: really feel like I deal with any type substance abuse 648 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: issues that rehab was for me. Um, I did and 649 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: to rehab like, yeah, I'm gonna quit weed, Like, yeah, 650 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: I might quit smoke because I have to to get 651 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: through this rehab, but my life goal is to not 652 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 1: not smoke weeds. So you know, we might not be 653 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: on pay it here. Me and the rehab. Mm hmm 654 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: my not not drink. I don't have alcoholics and so 655 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't see why I can't drink. Um. Yeah, rehab 656 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: was like as it was even more culture shock. So 657 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: I got into I started this conversation telling you the 658 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: trailer trash and that was just like really shocked that 659 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: people had like like I have been trafficked. And I 660 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: was just listening to people tell me their stories, like 661 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: goddam bro, your life's been like fucked since you were 662 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 1: like you've been smoking cigarettes since you were two. Yeah, 663 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: that story, man, I can't relate. And you know, it 664 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: was an eye opening experience and I can't even say that, 665 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm fucking tearing at that I went at 666 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: the end of the day for getting ahead in my life, 667 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it was helpful for me, um meeting 668 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: those people two me, So I don't want to just 669 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: like make it sound like, you know, completely disregard those 670 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: people's stories because those people's stories were me and they matter. Um. 671 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole rehab experience. Mm hmm. So you're 672 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: saying you don't take it help the way to issue 673 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: the help, right mm hmm. So once you got to 674 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 1: rehab because you were working in McDonald's, you say, somebody 675 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: up and you got your apartment and it did somebody 676 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: coasts on a car for you. Yep. One of my um, yeah, 677 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: started the concept for the anti trafficking organization who paid 678 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: for me to go to the rehab. He could the 679 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 1: car for me. Now that's great, y'all. I met some cool, 680 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: good people. But you want to know something that's sad 681 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 1: is that I feel like, because I'm good at making 682 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,800 Speaker 1: friends with people and I'm thinking stuff from people, that 683 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: those people offered me for assistance than they usually offer 684 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: the next person. Y'all. These ants organizations, for the most part, 685 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: in my opinion, don't help people do ship. M Like, 686 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: y'all understand that that person co signed for car for 687 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: me because they thought that I was a good in 688 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: responsible and that they could funk with me and they 689 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: wanted to go that to help me. Um. That has 690 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: nothing to do with these anti traffic organizations are not helpful. 691 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: You need a car, they're gonna tell you to get 692 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: a job and say that if you need a car, 693 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: my advice to use definitely gonna to find something better 694 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: than McDonald's unless you want to be on the side 695 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,359 Speaker 1: of the road all the time. Mm hmm. I don't 696 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: like buying cash cars, but I don't have at least 697 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: seven dollars. That's just me right, And nothing I thought 698 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: was funny. But I was so happy for you is 699 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: when ace mom called you and she told you you 700 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: had some money. Yeah, she had the adask and these 701 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: people probably go to sleep at night, thank you. That 702 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: not terrible fucking people. But at the end of the 703 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: day there are aiders and the betters to fucking traffickers 704 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: and people. You helped him his crimes. She a piece 705 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,919 Speaker 1: of ship too. They can honestly all go get and die. 706 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,759 Speaker 1: You know Ace's brother got murdered while he was locked 707 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:06,359 Speaker 1: up in prison. Oh wow, you hang out with ship. 708 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: Should ship happened to you? Bro? Have you tried to 709 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 1: reach out to you recently? Actually reached out to me 710 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: last year on my birthday? Mm hmm. I haven't heard 711 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: much UM about him because I'll keep my little tabs 712 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: on him. I don't movement from him. I also haven't 713 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: been able to see that he's been arrested, but he's 714 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: so quiet, so I wouldn't be surprised. Mm hmm. So 715 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: once you started to rebuild your life, you begin game 716 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 1: someone who was now your husband. But my reason that 717 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: you was gonna se your husband was Brandon because you 718 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: may you when I was reading a book, you would 719 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: say how Brandon was like really nice to you, and 720 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: that was probably the first time you've been around a 721 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,800 Speaker 1: man that didn't want anything sexual for me. Oh, I 722 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: wish I'd love to be married to somebody Barbados right now? 723 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,799 Speaker 1: What were you shotting? How nice he wants? Are you? Um? 724 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 1: I was, But looking back I was time, I guess 725 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 1: I should say. But looking back on it now, I 726 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: can't say I'm so surprised, right mm hmm. So it 727 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,240 Speaker 1: wasn't hard for you to open up to your husband 728 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:43,759 Speaker 1: about your bead Um, not particularly M. I don't know. 729 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: I feel like you know he didn't he and really 730 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: nobody knows UM the full of what I went through 731 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: being trafficked. Mm hmm. Do you did he would ever 732 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: tell him or someone else? Mm hmmm. I mean I 733 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,880 Speaker 1: doubt it. I don't think there would really be any benefit, 734 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: and I really don't think it would be possible. Um. 735 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, like you 736 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 1: know about slavery within the United States, they speculate that 737 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: was a hundred times worse UM than we'll ever know 738 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: because we didn't experience it. And of course they try 739 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: to erase history, UM, trying to erase my history. But 740 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: nobody um besides me has experienced what I've been mm 741 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: hmm that you still hug Um? Who does? I have 742 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: a PTSD for being trafficked and desult it and you 743 00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: know I'll probably living with that forever mm hmm. Did 744 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: you ever want to have you ever did therapy or like, 745 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 1: what does hale then look like for you? Um? In therapy? 746 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 1: And you know I've done therapy in the past, and 747 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what healing looks like for me? Mm hmm. 748 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:29,400 Speaker 1: Do you think it's achievable? I don't know. I'm just 749 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: living life mm hm. So I feel that you have 750 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: two daughters, So what do you plan to do differently 751 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:45,719 Speaker 1: with them that Jewish your parents? Um? Of course want 752 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: to be intentive with them, but I'm not even sure 753 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,719 Speaker 1: as saying being intentive is really the word I'm looking for. UM, 754 00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: I think it's important that they just be educated. I'm 755 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,360 Speaker 1: going to be attentive, but I'm not sure what extent 756 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 1: like I mean. I guess it will depend on, you know, 757 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,399 Speaker 1: the impression I give them when they get older, Whether 758 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 1: I feel like one day I'll have to go through 759 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 1: her phone. I hope I UM. I feel like your 760 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: biggest step of anything like this happening to your children 761 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: or your family members is having me educated. Of course, 762 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,319 Speaker 1: kids are going to be kids, so they might be mischievous, 763 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,800 Speaker 1: they might talk to people when you don't want them dating, etcetera, etcetera. 764 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:43,799 Speaker 1: But UM, things like that aren't supposed to lead to trafficking. UM. 765 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: Your best bet is, and what I'm thinking my best 766 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: bet is going to be is to teach my kids about, 767 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, what kind of people are out in the world. 768 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,279 Speaker 1: When the time comes to it, your best bet is 769 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,720 Speaker 1: knowing your kids have these cell phones and computers and stuff. 770 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: When they have more unsupervised time on the internet, you 771 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: should be about stuff like kids stumbling onto porn is UM. 772 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,920 Speaker 1: When your kids stumbles onto porn if they ever do, 773 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean hopefully that they'll know that they should close it. 774 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: Why should they close it? So when you know, miners 775 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't watch porn, and whenever you porn, if you want 776 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: to watch porn when you're of age, it's so important 777 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: that you go into it with the mindset that you 778 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 1: know this is acting, it's acting. Um. One of the 779 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,560 Speaker 1: biggest reasons that I'm like, so miners having access to 780 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: pornographic material is I think that they struggle with the 781 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: concept pornographic materials acting. I don't know why where parential 782 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: is because of course, you know, teenagers ship all the 783 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: time like sames, and I don't know stuff where they 784 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 1: might be shooting, and generally they don't. They can go 785 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: out and shoot people. But people grown adults and well 786 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: watch porn and see sex acts performed porn and then 787 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: think that that that's something that I don't expect of 788 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,240 Speaker 1: their partner, or that it's even gonna be likely that 789 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 1: they're like, um, yeah, kids shouldn't watch porn, should be 790 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: knowledgeable if they have access to the internet. When you're 791 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: given sex talk, I mean some kids getting their period 792 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: at eight or nine, like some people kids. The sex talk, 793 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, well before the age of ten, UM, knowing 794 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: how shit is nowadays, the sex talk, you could probably 795 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: definitely be discussing pornographic and the fact that it is 796 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 1: out there. I think like a lot of parents think 797 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: that if they don't like discuss stuff with their kids 798 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: that somehow it will disappear or it'll go away. But 799 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: quite likely your kids will be introduced to pornographic content 800 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,160 Speaker 1: in middle in middle school, and if not in middle school, 801 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 1: in high school and media right, and they should know 802 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: you should turn that ship off. Don't get advice with 803 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 1: some one days listening to our conversation. Second, trafficking, Uh, 804 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: my advice would be to, to the best of your 805 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,360 Speaker 1: ability to try to keep it pushing, keep it moving. UM, 806 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, take it one day at a time. UM. 807 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: It's hard having been trafficked. If you're not seeing um 808 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: a therapist, UH, definitely recommend that you try to work 809 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: that into your schedule. UM. I think therapy, the right 810 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: therapist can be good for um any mm hmm. Not 811 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:21,040 Speaker 1: just of course people who have gone through sytramatic but anybody, anybody. Yeah, 812 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: I was, I love therapy, therapy and help me a 813 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:32,880 Speaker 1: lot for my anger. I definitely agree therapy. I'm just 814 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 1: curious because I know you haven't you haven't you stopped 815 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 1: escorting maybe like ten years now, it's been two years 816 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: since you stopped it. Well, I've been away from my 817 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: kaper for over ten years. I'm actually a professional dominatrix um, 818 01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: which is a form of scoring. Um. I've been a 819 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: professional dominature ex for in person clients consistently for about 820 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: five or six years now. UM. Yeah, it's fun to 821 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,840 Speaker 1: think you would ever leave the industry. UM, I'm not sure. 822 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, we all hope to retire, so 823 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the basic answer will be yes. 824 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: I think if you ask an if they ultimately plan 825 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: to leave their industry, I hope for everybody the answers yes. Um. 826 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: If you're asking me, like, if I plan the industry 827 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 1: and like focus on something else full time that um 828 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,760 Speaker 1: makes me money that I need to survive? Probably not? 829 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: Mm hm why not? Um? I mean I have other 830 01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,600 Speaker 1: sources of income and other interests. No. I put effort 831 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,640 Speaker 1: into such as writing my two books. Um, but sex 832 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: work pays me pretty well. I to do a lot 833 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:18,120 Speaker 1: of traveling. Um, I'm able to make my own schedule. Um, 834 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm able not work five days a week like a 835 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:27,240 Speaker 1: lot of people do. And you know, if something amazing 836 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,960 Speaker 1: presented itself where I could smoke weed all day and 837 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:38,240 Speaker 1: make my own schedule, and my customers often like bought 838 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,160 Speaker 1: me gifts for no reason it's something else persession that 839 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: then you know I'd probably on it. But I'm not 840 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: sure what that is. M hm. Well, I appreciate you 841 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:57,320 Speaker 1: for serious story. Am. I really wish your parents or 842 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: just somebody would have been there for you for such 843 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: a three year story. And I don't only imagine Sarah 844 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: it was. It was very heartbreaking. I'm happy that you 845 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: are in a safe space. I am too. UM. Hopefully 846 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,280 Speaker 1: you know the story will help somebody out. Um. If 847 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: you are possibly interested in getting into the sex industry, 848 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,640 Speaker 1: you do not need a money to do it. If 849 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,160 Speaker 1: you feel financially irresponsible, like you can't handle your finances, 850 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,520 Speaker 1: then I would recommend take your money from sex work 851 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:49,080 Speaker 1: and hire a financial advisor m with credentials or else 852 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,960 Speaker 1: you would not hire them to manage my finances. Right? 853 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,560 Speaker 1: Do you have any more any other advice for people 854 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:03,439 Speaker 1: who might want to get into an industry? Um, People glamorize. 855 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people are not being honest and real 856 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: with people, like how you've been throughout our conversations as 857 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:16,280 Speaker 1: being in the industry. But the industry does have glamorous aspects. 858 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: And you know that's one of the reasons I work 859 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,920 Speaker 1: in the industry. I do like the gifts I get 860 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800 Speaker 1: from clients. I do like being able to make my 861 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,480 Speaker 1: own schedule. UM. Do I live in like a two 862 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollar house not yet made one day? UM? 863 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say it's like a get rich quick 864 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: scheme or anything. I would say. If you're interested in 865 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: getting in the industry too, definitely do your research and 866 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 1: once you've done your own personal research, if you can 867 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 1: then get plugged into some community. UM. I'm in a 868 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 1: lot of great chaps for local area. Is it as well? 869 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: Ask sex workers UM all around the world. And you know, 870 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,240 Speaker 1: some of my best advice I find some of my 871 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: best friends, UM. Makes some of my best connections in life. 872 01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:17,160 Speaker 1: UM in this community group that I seek out mm hmm, 873 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 1: So definitely seek out community. UM. It's important to have 874 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,520 Speaker 1: like minded people to be able to network with, to 875 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: be able to ask for advice, to be able to 876 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: give advice to UM, like if you're interested and I 877 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,840 Speaker 1: don't know, doing person work or say getting into shoots UM, 878 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,160 Speaker 1: because getting into page shoot something that I have been 879 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 1: focusing a lot on lately. If you can play community 880 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,720 Speaker 1: and other people in your area who are doing the 881 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,120 Speaker 1: same things, have you shot with this company? Do you 882 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,200 Speaker 1: recommend UM? It's always a great thing to be able 883 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: to have in your pocket, right I said, I appreciate you. 884 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: If y'all want to know more about my guests and 885 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 1: definitely support her with her blokes, please make sure to 886 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,360 Speaker 1: email me at m O at the PMG podcast dot com. 887 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 1: And I am pretty sure this was not the last 888 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,320 Speaker 1: time that we will be speaking with her, So until 889 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 1: next time, everyone Later, good bye,