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Speaker 1: this before the election. Returns are in and practicing our

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Speaker 1: hold for you get the picture. It's Wednesday, November sixth,

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Speaker 1: and on today's show, we'll get a much needed punch

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Speaker 1: of joy from nearly thirty year ESPN broadcast and reporting,

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Speaker 1: but the legendary Holly Row. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the record breaking twenty twenty four WNBA season that just

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Speaker 1: ended and the highly anticipated college basketball season that just began.

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Speaker 1: Plus we'll hit you at in Iowa basketball. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: and one of you is a big winner. It's all

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Speaker 1: coming up right after this Welcome back Orange Slices. Here's

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Speaker 1: what you need to know today in college basketball news.

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Speaker 1: The defending champion South Carolina game Cocks tipped off their

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Speaker 1: season with a sixty eight to sixty two win over

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Speaker 1: Michigan in a game that went down to the wire.

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Speaker 1: It's now the fourteenth straight season opening dub in the

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Speaker 1: dawn S Daly era. Michigan Freshman guard Sila Swords made

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Speaker 1: things interesting for the Wolverines in the final minute, knocking

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Speaker 1: down two big threes, but our team ran out of time.

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Speaker 1: The win extended South Carolina's unbeaten streak to thirty nine games,

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Speaker 1: including the undefeated campaign they put together last year.

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Speaker 1: Cox lost star center Camilla Cardoso to the WNBA, but

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Speaker 1: most of their other pieces are still on the roster.

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Speaker 1: Next up for head coach John stay squad is a

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Speaker 1: Final four rematch against NC State this coming Sunday. More

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Speaker 1: on the Cox and college hoops later in the show.

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Speaker 1: Dinah Trossi, if you're listening, that's your cue to take

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Speaker 1: a sip. If you know you know. In college soccer,

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Speaker 1: it's conference tournament time. Schools around the country are vying

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Speaker 1: for titles this week and the thirty automatic bids to

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Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament that are given to those conference champions.

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Speaker 1: What conference does your favorite team plan? You should know

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Speaker 1: by now, right, because you did your homework and you

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Speaker 1: picked a rooting interest, right, all right. Once attorneys are wrapped,

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Speaker 1: the bracket for the Big Dance will be revealed on Monday,

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Speaker 1: November eleventh. We'll link to a full college soccer schedule

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Speaker 1: and to the NCAA's auto bid tracker. In our show

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Speaker 1: notes in volleyball news, Alex Kleinman announced that she's retiring

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Speaker 1: from the game in a video posted to Instagram on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Kleinman's career has spanned twenty eight years and includes a

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Speaker 1: gold medal with April Ross and Beach Volleyball at the

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Speaker 1: a Volleyball Magazine National Player of the Year award. As

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Speaker 1: an indoor volleyball player at Stanford, she also made her

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Speaker 1: impact felt in the AVP Beach Volleyball League, picking up

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Speaker 1: from indoor to beach late in her career and be

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Speaker 1: so dominant. Here's a portion of Alex's farewell.

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Speaker 3: Dear volleyball, This is it one last final week of

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Speaker 3: practice with you. It still feels surreal my first awkward

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Speaker 1: We've been through it all together.

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Speaker 3: You've been my refuge, You've been my passion, you've been

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Speaker 3: my purpose, you've been my confidence. But you've also been

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Speaker 3: my greatest enemy, my biggest obstacle, and a big source

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Speaker 3: of doubt. We've won championships together, been cut from rosters together,

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Speaker 3: fallen in and out and back in love together. We've

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Speaker 3: We've lived the grind together over a span of twenty

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Speaker 3: eight years. I guess that's to be expected. You've taught

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Speaker 3: me more lessons than I can articulate. And the crazy

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Speaker 1: Alex will compete for the final time alongside April Ross,

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Speaker 1: AVP League Championship November ninth and tenth in LA Shout

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Speaker 1: out to that incredible duo on their way out, Vib's

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Speaker 1: Mesh Mesh vibs. Are we really gonna do this again?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make vibes happen. Okay, No, we're not

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Speaker 1: it with the Great Holly Rowe stick around joining us now.

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Speaker 1: She works as a broadcaster and reporter for the WNBA

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Speaker 1: made history in twenty twenty one as the Utah Jazz

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Speaker 2: I love that intro. I love that intro.

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Speaker 1: It's all true. I could go on for so much longer.

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Speaker 1: It's a true, true og and I actually want to

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Speaker 1: we move on to what is expected to be a

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Speaker 1: thrilling college hoops season. And at the espnW summit last week,

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Speaker 2: So I think that's the thing that we want people

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Speaker 2: I've just been sitting back here chuckling sometimes like, oh,

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Speaker 2: and you know, God blessed Pat that he's coming to

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Speaker 2: I'm just getting involved because I like Katelyn Park, Right.

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Speaker 2: So he comes to a New York Liberty Indiana Fever

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Speaker 2: like you know, you know, stephen A got into his

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Speaker 2: every stephen A show over the last four years, five years,

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Speaker 2: That's signaling a level up, like we're going to get

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Speaker 2: I think Christy Sides did an absolutely unbelievable job with

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Speaker 2: But Indiana said, we have to get even better. We

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's get to the college game, because I

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Speaker 1: The biggest storylines, We'll start with last year's champions South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: last season's tournament MVP, Camila Cardosa is gone. She's off

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Speaker 2: I think that Don Staley has done a masterful job

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Speaker 2: you're not going to play defense. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: Did you hear anything from Don about Ashlan Watkins. This

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Speaker 2: cannot be tolerated. So I've been a little intrigued that,

431
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, that they haven't said a lot about that,

432
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 2: because that's a big issue, particularly with college aged people

433
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: and relationships, and so I think there's an important opportunity

434
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: there to teach and learn and grow, so I don't

435
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: know what's happening there. Ashlyn is a great player. Every

436
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: time I've interacted with her, I've been very impressed. She's

437
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: a lovely young lady. Something bad happened, and so, you know,

438
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 2: I feel really terrible about that, but we don't know

439
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 2: much about it, and I hope they can get it sorted.

440
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always advocate for transparency in those cases, not

441
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: to say more than what you know, but to at

442
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: least be willing to come out and stand on whatever

443
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: you want to say about how you're handling it, because

444
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: it is too often that we see coaches sort of

445
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: not be willing to speak out about stuff like that

446
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: or to take the proper hold players accountable. It sounds

447
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: like they're still trying to get all the information on that,

448
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: and that's why we haven't heard much, So we'll keep

449
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: checking back in on that story. We've also got this

450
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: incredible story of UCLA USC the rivalry coming back in

451
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: such a big way. It is a gift to the game.

452
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: What's the biggest adjustment for these teams joining the Big Ten?

453
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to affect them in a

454
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: meaningful way?

455
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 2: I do. Number One, the travel is going to be wild.

456
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: I know they've tried to downplay it. It's it is

457
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: going to be a challenge like I've seen it be

458
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: a challenge for their football counterparts. It is a challenge.

459
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: Both USC and UCLA football are struggling, and you know,

460
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: the basketball teams are a little different. But I do

461
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: think that the travel of the new conference is a deal,

462
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: is a thing, but I think that they have depth.

463
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: One of the things that both of these teams have

464
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: is depth. You know, USC has depth that they haven't

465
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: had before. I was just watching their game in Paris

466
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: against Ole Miss, and the thing that stood out to

467
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: me the biggest, the most was pace. You know, I

468
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: think that their pace was slow to start the game.

469
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: Ole Miss was able to disrupt them. I think they

470
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: turned it over like more than twenty two might ended

471
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: up being like more like twenty four twenty five times

472
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: for USC. There's going to be an adjustment period. There's

473
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: new players. Gigi's still doing her theme that there's new players.

474
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: How do they share all those things? UCLA's loaded too.

475
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm really excited. I think Lauren Betts is a name

476
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: that people might know about. She's not one of the

477
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: top ten players in the country that you're hearing about,

478
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: and you should. She is unstoppable. You know, she's maybe

479
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: the key to their success. She is a masterful player.

480
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: She's getting better and better, and now she's got help

481
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: around her. She's got players from the transfer portal, Keiki

482
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: Rice continuing to improve. So I think that they're going

483
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 2: to be a legit team to deal with.

484
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited to watch those two teams and

485
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: see what the ceiling might be for Juju Watkins this year.

486
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, Stanford's another former Pac twelve school at a

487
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: new conference cardinal now in the ACC. They'll be without

488
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: Tara Vanderveer, all time winning a coach in NCAA basketball.

489
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Speaker 1: This is the first time they will be without her

490
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty four eighty five season. That long ago,

491
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: they also lost camp Bring to the WNBA draft, star

492
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: forward Kiki Earfn to USC and the transfer portal. We

493
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Speaker 1: got a whole new Sarah. How do you see them

494
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: looking under new head coach Kate Pey Well, First of.

495
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: All, I want to give Kate pay some love because

496
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: she is a She played there, she has been a

497
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: longtime assistant for Tara vander Beer and over the last

498
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: ten years, I have watched Tara knowing that Kate was

499
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: probably going to be the person to replace her, and

500
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: then a few years ago they actually did name her

501
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: the coach in waiting, so Tara would seed more and

502
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: more of practice to her, more and more of scout

503
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: to her. Kate has been a voice on this team

504
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 2: for a long time now, and so I think this

505
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: transition will go well. But I do know that Tara

506
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: is one in a million. You know they're going to

507
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: name the court after her. She is one of the

508
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: most interesting women I've ever been around. I've got to

509
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: become I would say good close friends with Tara. She's

510
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting women in the world because

511
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: if she wants to try something, she gets good at

512
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: it until she masters it. She figured out how to

513
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: play the piano, become a bike rider, a sailor. Anything

514
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: Tara wants to do, she masters. So they will miss her.

515
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: It's going to be a transition, but I do believe

516
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: Kate pay has been put in a position to succeed

517
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: because of how Tara has groomed her, and Kate's a

518
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: kick ass lady, terrific, terrific coach. I think she's going

519
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: to do well there.

520
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: You've been around these athletes for years and years, and

521
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if you notice the nil money, the massive

522
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: TV ratings, the bigger and better opportunities at a younger

523
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: age to start training harder, the attention the viewers. Is

524
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: there a big difference that you noticed in today's college players?

525
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they've got their own money, you know.

526
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that I noticed a big difference on

527
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: the court per se. I'll use Flage Johnson as an example.

528
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: At LSU. Flage is a millionaire. She just bought twenty

529
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: acres of land outside of Atlanta. Like she is a

530
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: mover and a shaker. And I remember sitting down doing

531
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: an interview with Flage as a freshman, and she had

532
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: laid out this path for herself. You know, I want

533
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: to be on Billboard Top twenty. I want to be

534
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: you know in ESPN tip. I want to be you know,

535
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 2: wrapping in. And so she has had this plan and

536
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: this goal for herself. Shows up to practice sometime. I

537
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: think she dropped twenty five points last night. She had

538
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 2: thirty in their first exhibition game. I have found a

539
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: capacity of these young players to handle more and do more,

540
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: do a photo sheot. I mean she was on stage

541
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: with Lil Wayne two nights ago. Now she played in

542
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: the exhibition game last night. I've seen a capacity to

543
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: handle more. I have also seen a capacity for more anxiety.

544
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: We've seen some players miss parts of the season because

545
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: of mental health. So I hope we're still allowing kids

546
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: to grow up and have fun. College basketball should be fun.

547
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: That's the joy in it. I do want them to

548
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: still have the joy, but I also still want them

549
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: to get paid. I think getting paid is not a

550
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: bad thing. I love that the women are getting the anil.

551
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that balance, Like the professionalization of it allows

552
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: them to enter the WNBA more ready to have money

553
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: to fund fun in addition to what they're doing on

554
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: the court. But it does come with some drawbacks in

555
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: terms of time, energy, expectation, people gambling on them, and

556
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: being mad when things don't go their way, all that

557
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: stuff that comes with having this higher profile. Flage is

558
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: a perfect example of someone who's really been impressive in

559
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: handling all the different things. Page Beckers too. We were

560
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: joking kind of all summer long about where in the

561
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: world is Page Beckers? What event is she at? You know,

562
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: she's like trying to compete with Billy Jean King for

563
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: being at the most women's sporting events all summer long.

564
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: But now back on it happen, He's ready to go.

565
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: And how dangerous are the Huskies if Paige and the

566
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: rest of that team stays healthy.

567
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been saying this now for five years.

568
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: If they stay healthy. I mean, you've got to remember

569
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: that when Page has played, they've been in the National

570
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: Championship Game they lost to South Carolina. They've been in

571
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: the Final Four. When Page has been Page, they've done

572
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: very well. You know, they're at the Final four last year.

573
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: So the help of Pagebeckers is a huge deal. Asy

574
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: fun is back, her help is also a huge deal.

575
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: But the health of their bigs, I think people forget.

576
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: You know, outside of Ali Edwards, they've had a lot

577
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: of their bigs out for the season with injury. Gino

578
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: has done some of his most masterful seasons of coaching

579
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: the last few years, juggling a roster that just did

580
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: not have enough people, and yet there they are in

581
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: the Final four again last year, which I just think

582
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: is maybe one of his best coaching jobs of all time.

583
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: Gino Oriema, I think November twentieth, has an opportunity to

584
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: set the all time wins record in college basketball, past

585
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Mike Krzyzewski, past Tara van Derveer. So that is something

586
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: we should celebrate. I want people to really give him

587
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: a lot of credit because he has poured more into women,

588
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: and he was the og man that was pouring support

589
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: and love and attention and demanding of women and putting

590
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: them in a position to succeed long before anyone else.

591
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: So he gets a lot of credit. But man, it's

592
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: all about the help the coage has had. I know,

593
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: I really want to get all in on them because

594
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: they are exciting, but I just have so much anxiety

595
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: for how will their bodies handle on this?

596
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't even mention the Yukon mascot also hurt

597
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: last year, so we're praying and hoping.

598
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: That yes, I've forgotten Jonathan, Yes healthy this year.

599
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: IOWA two time defending national champion runner ups. They didn't

600
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: make the preseason top twenty five. Now no Katelyn Clark,

601
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: no Kate Martin, no coach Lisa Bluter. Still out of

602
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. You think that's fair and right?

603
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair. And right, because they're still

604
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: pretty loaded. Actually, I will have an Iowa game next Sunday.

605
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: We're doing a big doubleheader in Charlotte with NC State

606
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: South Carolina rematch and then Virginia Tech versus Iowa. So

607
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: I'll have a better idea next Sunday just how Iowa looks.

608
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: But listen, Hannah Stolky is a player that should be

609
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: on everybody's radar. She was a sophomore last year. She

610
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: is a player that can take over games. We saw

611
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: her score forty two points in a game last season

612
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: and that was an Iowa record until Caitlyn broke it

613
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: again on her senior night. But Sydney a falter. They

614
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: have players. They got a transfer in from Villanova who's

615
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: supposed to be brilliant, So they had a top I

616
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: think a top ten or top fifteen recruiting class. Jan

617
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: Jensen has been there. She's an Iowa legend. Are there changes, Yes,

618
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: Caitlyn's a huge loss. Like, let's just be honest, But

619
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: so is Kate Martin. You know, so is Kate Martin.

620
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: So they lost some important pieces. They still have some talent,

621
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: and I know this. They bust their ass. Jan will

622
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: demand that this Iowa team is prepared and ready, and

623
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: so I do think that's unfair that they're out of

624
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: the top twenty five.

625
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: Give us one dark horse team to keep an eye on.

626
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: Ooh, dark horse. I mean, I don't know how dark

627
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: horse this is, but I am Kentucky. You know, they

628
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: have a new coach, Kenny is there from He came

629
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: from Virginia Tech. He had gotten Virginia Tech to the

630
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: women's final four. And they have a transfer in Georgia

631
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: a who was one of the key point guards in

632
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: that run that helped get them to the final four.

633
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: So he's at Kentucky now, and you know Kentucky's in

634
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: the SEC. The SEC is tough, but I think Kentucky

635
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: could be a big wins improvement, could be competitive. He's

636
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: a brilliant coach, a brilliant man. Absolutely adore him. And

637
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: then this is not a dark course because they're loaded.

638
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: But I'm actually going to LSU on Thursday. I'm gonna

639
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: go to practice, they have an exhibition or they have

640
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: a game Friday night. And I think LSU could be

641
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: a top contender this season. They are stacked loaded. Anissa

642
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: Moros showing us that she can be a dominant player

643
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: Kayla Williams coming in off a really great freshman year,

644
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: and Flage is showing that she is ready to lead

645
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: this team. And you know, Kim Moulky's always gonna stir

646
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: something up, so.

647
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna Kim.

648
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: Kim's always gonna Kim. Yeah, So I'm really excited. I'll

649
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: kind of get my first look and really get to

650
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: see like how they're built, what the playing time looks like,

651
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff this weekend. So I'm really

652
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: excited to see the Tigers in person.

653
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Well, Holly, you're the absolute best. I could talk to

654
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: you for literally hours, and you could give us information

655
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: and facts for hours. I want to leave on this

656
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: one note. Like I said, you're nearing thirty years in

657
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: the biz. I have never heard a single person say

658
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: a bad word about you. In fact, I have only

659
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: heard people talk about how you are the best person

660
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: in the world. You are friends with coaches, you are

661
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: friends with players, you are friends with other media members.

662
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: What is your advice for people coming up on how

663
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: to create the kind of relationships you have while still

664
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: succeeding not having to trade in the idea of needing

665
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: to be sensationalistic or funny at the expense of people,

666
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: or unfair or critical in order to lead in terms

667
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: of coverage. Because I think you found the most beautiful

668
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: balance in the way people talk about you. Such a

669
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: testament to your career. How do you advise young people

670
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: coming up to do the same?

671
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first and foremost, I'm a raging bitch at

672
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: the airport. So there are a lot of people at

673
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: the airport who will counter at this way. Like no,

674
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: I saw her push past us. I am the worst

675
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: version of myself at the airport, and so I just

676
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: want to think I don't travel much. Yeah, I just

677
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: want to say sorry. I'm almost a four million miler

678
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: right now, and so my patience, my patience for people

679
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: at the airport has just worn fin. So I'll say

680
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: that apology. I'm not perfect, you know. I think I've

681
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: been competitive with coworkers in this business. I'm not perfect,

682
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: But here's what I will say. I am wildly interested

683
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: and curious about people and what makes them tick. And

684
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: I think when people understand that you are genuinely interested

685
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: in them, and you don't want to just get to

686
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: know the media version of them, You want to get

687
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: to know the real version of them. I mean, I

688
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: have been so privileged. I've gone on a road trip

689
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: with Pat Summit. I've drank moonshine in her kitchen, wine

690
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: at Gino Oriam as Tara van Derveer has made me dinner.

691
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: I've stayed at her house. Like I am so eager

692
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: you get to know who these people are as humans

693
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: and real people. I had a very interesting conversation and

694
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: I'll keep it private, but I'm going to tell you

695
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: two and a half hour hardcore conversation with Kim Moulki

696
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: about Brittany Griner and how she was handling that. We

697
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: went at it, but we have enough respect in our

698
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: relationship that I Am not going to take the sensational

699
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: headlines that people want to say, and I'm going to

700
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: ask her the whise, how did this happen? Why did

701
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: you do this? I really want to be fair to people.

702
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: You see so many headlines that are wrong all the time,

703
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: and so I always want to get to know to

704
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: the bottom of people who they are. We have players

705
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: in the WNBA who are controversial and who maybe people

706
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: haven't liked on the outside. I'll give you an example.

707
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: You know, when Britney Grinder was being detained. People were

708
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: asking me, I was really vocal in my support and

709
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm fighting behind the scenes. And anytime you would tweet

710
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: about Brittany you just get crush and maybe it's Russian bots.

711
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: I don't know who all these people are, but I

712
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: was like, I actually know Britney grinn are very well.

713
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: I love her, her heart, her soul, who she is.

714
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: She's not perfect, but if we only love the perfect

715
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: people in our lives, that would be a long and

716
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: lonely life. So I guess my advice to young people is,

717
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: don't fall for the narratives. Don't fall for the version

718
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: of people you see on social media. Get to know people,

719
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: spend time, give them grace if they say or do

720
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: something that they're getting blasted for. Find out why. Don't

721
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: be that journalist that just like jumps on the bandwagon.

722
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: We see that so often. Find out why, find out why,

723
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: have genuine curiosity, and then treat people the way that

724
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: you would like to be treated. That's pretty simple.

725
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: I think when you create those relationships, if something does

726
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: come up where somebody falters, make a mistake, does the

727
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: wrong thing, says the wrong thing, you have a relationship

728
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: where you can be fair and honest in criticizing them

729
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: and covering them accurately, but not end that relationship or

730
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: spoil it because you've created this this baseline, and it

731
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: actually perhaps potentially lets you be more fair in criticizing

732
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: because you've set that up as opposed to saying, well,

733
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm friends with them now, so I'm not going to

734
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: say anything bad about them, because that's not doing right.

735
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: No, No, because think about the best relationships you have.

736
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: They're honest, right, the best relationships you have in your

737
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: life are honest, and people who can be honest with

738
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: you when they say, you know, what happened here that

739
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: didn't go well. We've had to criticize a lot of coaches.

740
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: I had to criticize every one of those people I

741
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 2: just mentioned because things aren't always perfect. But I think

742
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: if they know you're coming from a place of true

743
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: honesty and kindness, Like I'm going to get to the

744
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 2: bottom of this for you, because maybe this was wrong,

745
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: and we have to say that it was wrong, but

746
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to let you explain why you were wrong

747
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: and what happened. You know, I'm going to give you

748
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: that grace.

749
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: So no, we're making me think of my interview with

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00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: Christine Brennan. That was really my intention, because I have a.

751
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, I was proud of you for having them on,

752
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: and I mean, just to get into that again. I

753
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: don't want to be one of those people that only

754
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: sees the headlines and then comments on this because I

755
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: don't know all the behind the scenes. I've known Christine

756
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: for a long time. I would not say I'm really

757
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: close to her. I've seen her at social engagements, whatever,

758
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: but I've respected her for a long time in her

759
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: work for a long time. I also thought what she

760
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: did was wrong, and so I think we have to

761
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: be able to say that. We have to be able

762
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: to criticize each other. I've done things that I was like, oh,

763
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't like how I said that. I wish I

764
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't have said it like this. I've been wrong, But

765
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: I do think it was important that you gave her

766
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: an opportunity to explain herself and the whys of things.

767
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: And it's not to make excuses, it's to take it

768
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: out of the skim and scream column of people only

769
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: saw this on a skim and scream.

770
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: But it didn't move us forward. Yeah, it didn't move

771
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: us forward to skim and scream about it. It actually

772
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: moved us forward to have a conversation. And even if

773
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: she didn't end up at the place I hoped for,

774
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: we got to understand the nuanced in context of why

775
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: there was a problem in the first place.

776
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Right. So, we had a guy at ESPN that came in,

777
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: John Slawatsky. He was brilliant and he would teach us

778
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: how to ask a better I went to the so

779
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: you'll remember this when I tell you, and he would

780
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: tell us to ask questions that were neutral and lean.

781
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: That means, do not put the premise of your column,

782
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: or the premise of your book, or the quote you're

783
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: trying to fish for. You can't put that in the question.

784
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: That's not fair. That is not fair. Your questions need

785
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: to be neutral if you are truly good at this job.

786
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: And so that that is something that I try to

787
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: be very very mindful of. Is not putting my own

788
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: opinion in the question, maybe unless it's positive. Like I

789
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: know sometimes in these podium interviews I do insert my opinion,

790
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: like I think this year I was like, you know,

791
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 2: Benigel Leney, you have fought through so much. Oh my gosh,

792
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: you know she fought through so much and all this stuff,

793
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: I want people to know that. Yes, so maybe I

794
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: look at it more as I'm putting information in my questions,

795
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: but the questions have to be neutral in my opinion.

796
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: To get the fairest and most honest answer right for sure. Well, Holly,

797
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: you're pro and again I could talk to you forever.

798
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for the time. I know

799
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: this is like a very rare day off for you,

800
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: and you spent it with us, so we're so appreciative.

801
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

802
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: Well, you have done such a great job for a

803
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: long time and been one of the true og supporters

804
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: of women's sports forever, and so I wanted to honor you,

805
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: and I am busy, but I think that we have

806
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: to honor each other as women, and like I'm going

807
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: to help you with your new project because I'm proud

808
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: of you and it's important and we're going to lift

809
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: each other up. So I will always make this time.

810
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Holly Row. We got to take another

811
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: break when we come back. Yes, and straight from the

812
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: cornfields of Iowa. Welcome back, slices. Let's talk a little

813
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: bit about Iowa women's basketball. No, not the current team, No,

814
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: not the Kitlyn Clark years. There's actually more to Iowa

815
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: basketball than that, so it's time for another. Yes, and

816
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: the Lisa Blueder Iowa era ended in the offseason. She

817
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: stepped down as the winningest head coach in program history,

818
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: having led the Hawkeyes to eighteen NCUBA Tournament appearances in

819
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: twenty four seasons. And of course, the aforementioned megastar, Caitlin

820
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: Clark was drafted to the Indiana Fever, so she's gone

821
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: as well. But did you know that their era wasn't

822
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: the only era during which Iowa made waves. Let's hop

823
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: in the old time machine and take it all the

824
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: way back to the early eighties when head coach c.

825
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: Vivian Stringer was at the Helm. She stepped out of

826
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: the scene in Iowa City in nineteen eighty three, having

827
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: already established her reputation prior to joining the Hawkeye She

828
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: guided Cheney State University to the nineteen eighty two NCUBA Final.

829
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: That team is still the only HBCU squad to make

830
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: a run to the Women's Final four and national Championship game.

831
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: It was also the first to have an all black

832
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff in twelve seasons at Iowa Stringer propelled the

833
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: program to nine straight NCAA Tournament appearances and the program's

834
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: first ever number one ranking. She also coached standout player

835
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: and Women's Basketball Hall of Famer Michelle Edwards, the first

836
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: female Hawkeye Hooper to have her jersey retired. It was

837
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: Stringer's all time win record that Blooter broke back in

838
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Stringer posted a two hundred and sixty nine

839
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: and eighty four record overall in her time at Iowa

840
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: before moving on to coach Rutgers from nineteen ninety five

841
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: until she retired in twenty twenty two. She was the

842
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: first coach, regardless of gender, to take three different schools

843
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: to the Final Four. Her legacy in the game speaks

844
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: for itself. If you want to know more about c

845
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Vivian Stringer, Mish would highly suggest reading her memoir, Standing Tall.

846
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: We'll add it to the Good Game book Club and

847
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: link to it in our show notes. So yes, Lisa

848
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: Bluter and Caitlin Clark and c Vivian Stringer and the

849
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: Iowa greats that came before them. All right, slices, it's

850
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: time to pick a sports Prize pack winner. That's right,

851
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: we gathered all those survey responses, and thank you so much.

852
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: Your responses were super helpful and honestly they were a

853
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: joy to read. Thank you for the kind words, Thank

854
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: you for the smart suggestions. Special shout out to Megan Flood.

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00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: I assume that's you, m Flood who suggested including the

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