1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hi, rain drops of today's episode of 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Reality Crime Stories. I am back with my co host, 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: Courtney Parker, who is a true crime expert based on 11 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: her decades long career. Not only describing for the Law 12 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: and Order Franchise under the Legiondary Dick Whobb, she has 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: also executive produced and created several true crime shows for 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: different networks from Oxygen to TV one with her production 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: company Lost and Thought Productions. 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: Give it up rain Drops for the Courtney Parker. 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: My co hosts and I are going to dive into 18 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: the Chris Lees. In addition to Gia Judais, Yes, the 19 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: daughter of my dear friend Teresa Judais, who wants to 20 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: get Trump to pardon her dad. But before we get 21 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: to all of that, I do want to start off 22 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: talking about as you can hear Courtney in the background 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: lapping because she's like, what is going on, Carlos with 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: not only your housewives, but the reality stars at Trump. 25 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Because Courtney, politics and reality are the intersection of pop culture. 26 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: Well especially with this particular president who was a reality 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: star himself. 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: So in case you've been living under a rock, as 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: you all know, top Chrisly and his wife were parting 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: recently due to the sort of massive work that their daughter, 32 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Savanna undertook is speaking with President Trump to get them pardon, 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: So Todd and Julie Chris Lee having pardon. So today 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna flip the formata bit rain jobs and give 35 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: you guys a true crime breakdown regarding the case and 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: crime of the Chris Lies. We're calling today's episode white Collar, 37 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: White Lives, White. 38 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: Privilege, question mark. 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: We're discussing everything from what they did, how they got caught, 40 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: what the courtroom drama looked like, and the wild way 41 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: they ended up back on the streets living their life 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: of luxury and likely with the cameras not too far behind. 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: And as you know, I'm the king of reality television 44 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,559 Speaker 1: I can. I'm not gonna say confirm child because everything's allegend. 45 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: But I know some folks who were there to capture 46 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: their release and they definitely have. 47 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: Cams and they face Courtney. We'll get into that too. 48 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: But look, when it comes to Todd and Julie Chris Lee, 49 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: they had their picture perfect stuff in life, or so 50 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: the public thought. From reality show royalty to federal prison inmates. 51 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: The stars of Christly Knows Best were convicted of their 52 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: frauding banks out of more than thirty million dollars and 53 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: hiding their real income excuse me from the irs while 54 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: flogting a lavish lifestyle home TV. But now they're walking 55 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: away from that conviction, or at least shaving some serious 56 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: time off thanks. 57 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: So pardon from the Trump administration. 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: So in this episode Range Drops, we will pull back 59 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: the curtain of how the chris Lee's put off this 60 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: fraud in the first place, what really happened the investigation 61 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: and trial, and why their sensus of reduction has so 62 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: many people side eyeing the system. And yes, late in 63 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the episode, we will get in to Jia Judaice from 64 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of New Jersey and the New Bravos 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: show next jen NYC, which is Courtney's new favorite show. 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: Who was going to follow up Savannah's Footsteps, who was 67 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: also writing Trump to get her father Joe Judice release, 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: So Courtney, I mean not released pardon. So Corney, let's 69 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: get into it. 70 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: What is going on? Courtney? As we talk about this case. 71 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 3: You know, for me, this isn't just about reality stars 72 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: that we like and we love. It's really about literally 73 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 3: a system that is protecting famous convicted felons of their 74 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: TV popularity versus a system of criminals that it doesn't protect. 75 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: We talked about that early on how Trump is pardoning 76 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: personalities TV personalities, and literally it's overturning convictions of the 77 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: jury of their actual peers that have found them guilty 78 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: of these crimes. We're not talking about people who didn't 79 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: do anything. We're talking about people who went through the 80 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: federal system, due diligence was done and they were found 81 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: guilty and sentenced to years behind bars. So this is, 82 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: you know, a deep dive into does white privilege come 83 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: into play, does celebrity more so come into play, and 84 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: really getting into convictions being overturned just because cameras are 85 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: rolling and dances are watching. 86 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get into the timeline of what happened 87 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: over the thirteen years. 88 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: Some rain drops listen up. 89 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: Between twenty twelve and two thy sixteen. These are the 90 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: crimes and charges allegedly throughout the four year span. While 91 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: filming these shows, the Chris Lees allegedly secured over thirty 92 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: million dollars in loans using fabricated documents, false bank statements, 93 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: inflated income, fake credit reports, and income summaries to secure loans. 94 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: Thirty million dollars in loans on top of that, like 95 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: it from the start, you and I both know just 96 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: from being in reality TV producing these things. When you're 97 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: vetting these kinds of characters, sometimes the embellishment of their 98 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: lifestyles is just that it's embellishment. And so for the 99 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: Chris Lies, very very early on, insiders were saying all 100 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: wasn't what met the eye, like people were saying, there 101 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: was an exaggeration of this lavish lifestyle. And so we 102 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: know the term keeping up with Jones is the Chris 103 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: Lies were trying to keep up with the Chris Lies 104 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: and the Joneses by fabricating. According to these alleged crimes, 105 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: fabricating their income, exaggerating what they have and building it 106 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: over the span of both Georgia and Tennessee. This lifestyle, 107 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: this lavish lifestyle, this rich lifestyle that when it was 108 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: all said and done, just was not true. And like 109 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 3: I said, going early on into this, when I talked 110 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: to producers kind of associated with their rise back in 111 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, they were saying, weren't on the street then 112 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: was it's exaggerated, like they weren't as wealthy as they 113 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: were pretending to be, even though we know that they 114 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: probably acquired a lot of wealth by way of the show. 115 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: So what has been alleged to I mean, listen, they 116 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: were convicted, they've since been pardoned, So we're saying allege 117 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: to everybody, because listen, I know a lawyer. I did 118 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: attend a few courses at the Epany K. Williams University 119 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: of Law for the past seven weeks, but you know 120 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm still learning. So if I say alleged child, that's 121 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: the reason why. But Courtney is alleged that during the 122 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: four years twenty twelve to twenty sixteen that they hit 123 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: income from the IRS using a production company owned in 124 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: Julie's name to evade paying taxes all to support the 125 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: life style, and that in twenty nineteen, while they were 126 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: filming The Chrislies and the spin offs, growing Up Chrisly 127 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: and was cooking with Julie Chrisly that that's when an 128 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: investigation was launched when a disgruntled former employee submitted forged 129 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: financial documents to prosecutors and claimed that the Cup was 130 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: operating a scheme across scream at that. 131 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: So talk us about that because. 132 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: It was a foreign employee who alleged that he also was, 133 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, allegedly in a intimate relationship with Todd, who 134 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: is of course married to Julie. 135 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: Listen, there are there's so many layers to the Chrislies 136 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: that we've heard that have been alleged and that we 137 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: know from the process of this crime unfolded, the process 138 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 3: of us being able to watch them in their day 139 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: to day lives, their their rise to fame, as well 140 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: as seeing how their family operates. So when you have 141 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: people that are becoming famous in our eyes and in 142 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: our minds, there has been no secret of their quote 143 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: unquote open marriage. There have been questions of his sexuality 144 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: as he's professed his love in maintaining this family they've 145 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 3: called Julie. Everything from his beard to his backing to 146 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: this was all stage for the cameras suite rolling from 147 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: my I was a fan of the show. I've been 148 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: a fan of this family because they were like the 149 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: Southern Kardashians, and so I watched and tuned in just 150 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: like everyone else. So when these charges that came down, 151 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: which are serious allegations, and we hear of this whistleblower 152 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: kind of blowing the cap off of this these alleged crimes. 153 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: He came with all of his receipts. He came with 154 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: the fabrications of these documents. He came with, These are 155 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: the fraudulent bank statements to secure over thirty million dollars 156 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: in loans. He came with so much receipts that were 157 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: subsequently and allegedly supported by his daughter, Todd's daughter from 158 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: a previous marriage, coroborated, allegedly cooborated with with the FBI 159 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: and the irs when all of this was going down. 160 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: So they, you know, the stage eight and the cities never, 161 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: the state never, and the FEDS never look to seek 162 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: an indictment if they don't have actual facts. And so 163 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: the whistleblower was just it was. It went beyond disgruntle 164 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: and went into this is just wrong, this is fabricated, 165 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: this is fraud. 166 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: This is insane. 167 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: Because in August thirteenth and twenty nineteenth, like Cortney said, 168 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: that's when the Federal Grand Jury in Atlanta indicted Todd 169 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: and Jilly on twelve counts. Okay, so the twelve counts 170 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: includes conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, WI You're fraud, 171 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy to defraud the United States, and tax evasion. August 172 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: fourteenth and twenty nineteen is when Todd and Jilly turned 173 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: themselves in to the FBI in Atlanta and made their 174 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: first court appearance in the US District Court the same day, 175 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: and they pled not guilty. That same day, they were 176 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: released on a one hundred thousand dollars unsecured bond in 177 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: order to limit travel and avoid contact with witnesses. So 178 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: the thing is this, when it comes to the million 179 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: dollar question, right, reality stars launting a certain lifestyle on 180 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: the show and possibly allegedly with holding money to perpetuate 181 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: this lifestyle. What are your thoughts in terms of buying 182 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: into the fact that is it. 183 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: The reality star who fills the need to keep up 184 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: with the Jones. 185 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Is is it the audience desired to see more of 186 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: a wealthy lifestyle that makes these people make these decisions 187 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: and coordiny? 188 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: Based on what I read, tell me this is you 189 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 2: or not. Allegedly these. 190 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: Tax invasions did not occur until. 191 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: They were on the show. Is that correct? 192 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: No? Well, and see from my research and what I've 193 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: been reading, there was a case. This all started on 194 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: once they started filming, So it's far season right, the 195 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: first season the Feds were building a case. It wasn't 196 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: until twenty nineteen that there were actual facts to support 197 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: this bank fraud. This fraud, this thirty because you have 198 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: to understand it's going to take a moment to accumulate 199 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars worth of bank fraud. They deep a 200 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: fraud it several banks over a period of time the show. 201 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: If you're using your production company to kind of hide 202 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: money to showcase that hey, we've got these contracts, because 203 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: again it was based off of false bank statements, So 204 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: this was an accumulation of time, This was accumulation of documents. 205 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: I did as much of a deep dive as possible 206 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: to see if the alleged employee was a producer worked 207 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: for the chris Lees directly somehow he had access to 208 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: when I do realize it was a I did find 209 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: out that it was a mail had access to these 210 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: documents in order to submit them to both the IRS 211 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: and the FBI. So this was over a period of time. 212 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: It looks to me as more wealth. The more wealth 213 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: they acquired, the more fame they acquired, the more dirt 214 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: they were doing to secure these to secure these finances 215 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: to fund this lifestyle, which doesn't really make sense, Carlos, 216 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: because the more famous they became, the more endorsements they had, 217 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: the more spinoffs that they had, and the more opportunity. 218 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: But it really does go to show you that no 219 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: matter how much money you have, people in certain positions 220 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: always want more. And I think it was the greed 221 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: that inevitably got them super caught up. 222 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 223 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. So during the trial, 224 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: obviously the Colvin was a parent doing this, which led 225 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: to some delays and yeah, but the trial did begin 226 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: in May of twenty two, so in federal court in Atlanta, 227 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: the trial opens up a prosecutors laying out the scheme 228 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: in detail, forge baked statements, I'm sorry forges, bing records, 229 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: fake credit scodes, and secret emails. Some of the evidence 230 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: included whistleblower documents, emails from top requesting falsify financial info, 231 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: win his testimony with former staffers. The defense tried to 232 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: argue that the chris Leies were misled by the accountant. 233 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: The jury wasn't buying it. 234 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: June seventh of twenty twenty two is when Courtney they 235 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: were found guilty on allcounts, all counts, after three weeks 236 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: of testimony. The jury finds both Time and Julie guilty. 237 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: Shock public milkdown. Savannah went on social media to defend 238 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: her parents. The sentencing was delayed between October and November 239 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Again, some of this delay was COVID related. 240 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: On November twenty first of twenty twenty two, that's when 241 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: Todd was sentenced to twelve years in prison plus sixteen 242 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: months probation. Julie was sentenced to seven years in prison 243 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: plus sixteen months probation. 244 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: Judge Eleanor Ross. 245 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Called it a deliberate, long running scheme and emphasized the 246 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: lack of remorse right. 247 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: Because immediately when they were charged. Todd himself went on 248 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: the defense. Julie supported the defense in saying that they 249 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 3: blamed the other person. They blamed the whistleblower, they blamed 250 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: Todd publicly kind of blamed his daughter from a previous marriage, 251 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: Lindsey chris Lee. But no matter what, there was a 252 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: lot of evidence. They still could never give way to 253 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: or explain the emails that came from Todd saying Hey, 254 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: falsify these documents. This is what I'm up to. And 255 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: they had bank statements, the actual bank statements versus the 256 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: bank statements that were submitted for these loans, so they 257 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: had them on that. Their defense, however, was very crafty 258 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: in delaying this. Now. No one knew in twenty nineteen 259 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: that COVID was right around the corner. But part of 260 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: their strategy was to use this to delay, delay, delay, 261 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: and during the delay, and I wanted to get your 262 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: take on this, the cameras were still rolling. We didn't 263 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: get the illustrious Purp walk. We didn't get to see 264 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: necessarily them interply, them going back and forth to court. 265 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: So although we didn't get to see that play out 266 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: on camera, what we did get to see is headlines 267 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 3: their reaction to the things that were happening around them, 268 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: while USA will silently just keep continuing to renew them. 269 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: Because keep in mind, they've been building their case since 270 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. They actually were indicted in twenty nineteen, the 271 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 3: trial happened. We have now we're in from twenty twelve 272 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 3: or twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, we've had seven seasons 273 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: of the Presleys before they actually go to jail to 274 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: start their sentence. They have Finoffs, grown up Presley. They 275 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: Julie have the cook you know, a cooking show. So 276 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: they have all of these things and they're interacting with 277 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: society as if nothing happened. They're avoiding these headlines. The 278 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 3: headlines are actually helping them because it's extending their popularity. 279 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: And all the while we're like, with the cameras rolling, 280 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: did that feed the beast or did it help protect 281 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: them or set them up for these potential pardons. 282 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that leads me to this because you know 283 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: they were sentenced November twenty first of twenty twenty two. 284 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: January seventeenth of twenty twenty three is when they reported 285 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: to prison. Tod began his sentencing at Federal prison Camp 286 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Penscola and Florida. Julie reported to Federal Medical Center in Lexington, Kentucky. 287 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: The show stops production. They were separated. They also tried 288 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: to do an appeal. June twenty first, twenty twenty four, 289 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: the Eleventh Circlet upheld the Christmas convictions, but sent Julie's 290 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: case back for resentencing, reaffirming her seven year sentence. 291 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: But being crazy, urge Carlos, because an appeals process and 292 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: not one but two jury said guilty on all accounts. 293 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: Which is fascinating. So Raine jobs. 294 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: They did appeal their convictions, come sorry their convictions twice, 295 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: like Fortny said, the jury said, nope, we believe you. 296 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: Gods are still guilty. 297 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: However, May twenty seventh to the twenty eighth of twenty 298 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: twenty five, President Trump granted full pardons to both Todd 299 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: and Julie, Chris Lee calling Savannah personally during an old 300 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: office call announcing the clemency. They were released from prison 301 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: just hours later, a million while the cams are rolling, allegedly, 302 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: but do you think this is a case of white privilege? 303 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Do you think this is a case of the rich 304 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: and famous people getting off based on you being. 305 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: The true crime expert, what are your thoughts on this? 306 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: Listen, nothing surprises me as producers, as a true crime producer, Listen, 307 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: nothing surprises me. It becomes sad because you have to 308 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: see it from both sides. In this case, there's not 309 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: a victim. There wasn't a murder. The the problem if 310 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 3: we were gonna just do this act per act, per act, 311 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: is they defrauded banks, and so inevitably our taxpayer dollars 312 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 3: pay for that. We suffer for that. Tax payers suffer 313 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: for that when you have these lengthy trials. What people 314 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: really don't realize is we pay for that, the United 315 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: States government, We the people inevitably pay for it. So 316 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: when you have someone who is a jury of their peers, 317 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: not ours, not our opinions, a jury of their peers 318 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: found them guilty on all twelve counts, not once, not twice. 319 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 3: I do think they're celebrity, and I do think it 320 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: does not hurt that they're white. But beyond just a 321 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: race thing, it becomes a crime thing. We're also talking 322 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: about a white collar crime. We're talking about crimes that 323 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 3: deal with banks, fraud, and money, and we're talking about 324 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: a president who is also a convicted Fellain for similar things, 325 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: pardoning these personalities based off of his opinion affair versus 326 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: our our actual facts of deep process. So for me, 327 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: I wonder, like so many critics, did what she had 328 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: to do, what Savannah had to do to secure this. 329 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: You're always thinking of, you know, did you promise you're firstborn? 330 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: Like what did you have to give up in order 331 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: to allow your parents to be set free? 332 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: And then but this is not to cut you off, 333 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 2: but this was so fascinating. 334 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: President Trump in his first term also pardon a few 335 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: convictions for Kim Kardashian, who was on the. 336 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: Case trying to release. 337 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: A few African American individuals who she felt were wrongly 338 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: convicted or had a very tough sentencing and she wanted 339 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: to roll it back. There's an infamous picture of Kimberly 340 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: Noel Kardashian at the Oval office. Cordy said it behind Trump. 341 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: She never declared her association politically, whether she's the Democrat Republican, 342 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of people said, if Kim Kardashian is 343 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: thanking the president for releasing these wrongfully convicted individuals, it's. 344 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: Good pr Now. Savannah chris Ley, the Christie's at one 345 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: point in time had the number one show in the world. 346 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: So again, is it a case of this is great 347 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: pr for the president because if Diddy gets sentenced for 348 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: a lot of years, is did he somebody that will 349 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: look at Kimberly Kardashian, the Chris Lees and say, Trump 350 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: is the president of celebrities who he can help pardon 351 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: in order for us to be you know, freed, and 352 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: for him to have some support. Let's be clear, President 353 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: Trump has a plan after his four years are up, 354 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: and I do believe a lot of people listen, may 355 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: have to owe him favors. 356 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: Absolutely, listen. That's why we haven't seen so much stuff 357 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 3: come out in politics right now like they've I'm watching 358 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 3: everyone react to the Epstein files that we knew existed, 359 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 3: and now they're saying, oh, nothing exists. He was supposed 360 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: to be listed in them. Oh now he's not listed 361 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 3: in him. He's not listed in them at all. But 362 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: when we talk about privilege, and we have to talk 363 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 3: privilege and popularity go hand in hand. Those people who 364 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 3: were up for appeal that Kim Kardashian advocated for, it 365 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: was based their releases were contingent on her popularity, not 366 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 3: just their case, it took her advocating for them, buying 367 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: somewhat possible favors to get those releases. Regardless of those 368 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 3: releases happened for black people, they still happened by way 369 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: of her privilege and her being able to have the 370 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: ear of this popular popularity contest driven president. So when 371 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: we look at the case of Savannah advocating for her parents' clemency, 372 00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: she was outright with her support of President Trump. Was 373 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: walking around at the RNC Republican National Convention wearing the 374 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: hat big advocate for I'm gonna do whatever it takes 375 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: to get my parents free even though they were guilty. 376 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: Now Todd and Julie remain you know, they say they pled, 377 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: not guilty, but they were found guilty twice. So there 378 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: becomes the bigger question that I have and that I 379 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: base so much of my opinion, not just on the facts, 380 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: but my opinion on is it fair when you have 381 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: been rightfully convicted and found guilty to be set free 382 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: due to your popularity. 383 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's a fair question based upon 384 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, one of the things that 385 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: the Chrisly's case has shown us is the fact of love. 386 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: They play their inmm syst from day one. They never 387 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: wavered from it, ever wavered from it. Some people do feel, 388 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: meaning celebrities, that being famous has a lot of perps, 389 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: but in the court of law you are made an 390 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: example out of Teresa Judais was sentenced for a year 391 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: in prison due to something her husband did, but because 392 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: she signed documents that her husband put in front of. 393 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: Her face, she got a year. 394 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people felt everybody, all the legal experts 395 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: said that was super hard. They thought she would get 396 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: probation because no evidence showed that Teresa actively knew what. 397 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: Was going on and was helped orchestrating it. 398 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: So a lot of people do feel Courtney in their defense, 399 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: that if you are a celebrity in the court of law, 400 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: you will be used as an example, which is why 401 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: Teresa's daughter, Jia Judais, who posted on her Instagram page 402 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: recently that she was writing a letter to President Trump 403 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: in order for her father to be pardoned so that 404 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: he's able Courtney to come back to the United States, right, 405 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: So go. 406 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: Ahead, And I think that is a very different thing 407 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 3: than what we're seeing with the Kreslies, primarily because they 408 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 3: served the time that was given to them. The difference 409 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: between Teresa and Joe versus Todd and Julie is they 410 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: served their time, they were found guilty. They you know, 411 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: they did the They did the time, and they're owning 412 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: their crime. Teresa, you know, even though she felt like 413 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: and the most of the public, including myself, felt like, 414 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: she shouldn't have gotten such a harsh uh what we 415 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: call the Martha Stewart treatment year, she did it. She 416 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: did it. She returned to grace from she returned from 417 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: her fall of grace, and now she is actively trying 418 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 3: to make a better way the crest. Listen, I think 419 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 3: it's ideal for Gia to just try to get her 420 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: father back into the USA, to see him, to have 421 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 3: a relationship. He doesn't have just one daughter, he has 422 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: they have four daughters together. So that is an ask 423 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: that if this popular president would pardon, would be a 424 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: worthy pardon because again, they they didn't plead not guilty. 425 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: They own the crimes that they did, and he was 426 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 3: he was sent away and he has ties not just 427 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: financial ties to the United States, he has family ties 428 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: to the United States. Sonna, It's gonna be interesting to 429 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: see how this plays out. The bigger question and concern though, 430 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: is what tone we're setting. But these reality stars that 431 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: are actually guilty of these crimes to now get slapped 432 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 3: on the wrist and able to keep their wealth and fortune. 433 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: Todd was recently quoted in saying, I'm not apologizing for 434 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: money I earned when two sets of jurors say, no, 435 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: you were, those emails came from you. Your accountant didn't 436 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: mislead you. The whistleblower that may have allegedly included his 437 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: daughter all said these things occurred, and now you're backshop 438 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: and living your life of luxury as if this didn't happen. 439 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: Getting back to Jia. 440 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: So just so I'm able to explain to the range 441 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: jobs what happened. As you all know, Joe Judas, Teresa 442 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: judai Sis ex husband was deported in twenty nineteen after 443 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: spending forty one months behind bars for mail while you're 444 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: a bankruptcy fraud. Jia with her Instagram she's twenty four 445 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: years old, she shared a passionate plea to President Trump 446 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: asking for him to bring her dad home. 447 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: Courtney. 448 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: She said, I quote, my name is Jia judaics I'm 449 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: the daughter of Joe Judas, and today I'm using my 450 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: voice for something deeply personal, not just as a public figure, 451 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: but as a daughter who deeply who. 452 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 2: Deeply misses her dad. 453 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: Jia said her family has lived in an emotional limbo 454 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: ever since her father's deportation, and adding Courtney and I quote, 455 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: no matter how strong we try to be, the absence 456 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: of a father, of a parent is something that never 457 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: stops hurting. She ben Courtney shows herself with the envelope 458 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: that she sent to the White House. She addressed it, 459 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: hashtaged it because she's a millennial child, hashtag bring Joe home, and. 460 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 2: She in Coortney. 461 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: She did say watching the Christly family receive a second 462 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: chance inspired me. 463 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 2: It showed me that. 464 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: People can be forgiven, that families can be restored, and 465 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: that sometimes the justice system. 466 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 2: Has room for grace. 467 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: Does Joe Judi's Courtney Parker deserve to come to the 468 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: United States. 469 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: And be pardoned? 470 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: I do now Again, I do feel what her request 471 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 3: is because again he did his time. They and Teresa 472 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 3: did her time. We're not talking about people who wanted, 473 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 3: who were looking for a way out. They actually did 474 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 3: their time. He's looking for a second chance. I don't 475 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 3: personally feel the Kresleys are given getting a second chance. 476 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: I believe they're getting a slap on the wrist because 477 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 3: the crime that they committed and were found guilty again 478 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 3: now once but twice, they didn't serve even half of 479 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 3: the length of the time that they actually got for 480 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: those twelve counts. Joe served his time and then was deported. 481 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 3: He has four daughters now living in the United States, 482 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 3: no matter if they're famous or not. Like she said, 483 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 3: she has been working. She's one of the stars of 484 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 3: this new show. She shouldn't be punished from not being 485 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 3: able to see her That, plus the other kids not 486 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 3: being able to see their father when they want to. 487 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 3: They can always go to Italy to visit him, but 488 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 3: it's not the same. So he shouldn't be completely ostracized 489 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 3: from the United States and out of his girl's life 490 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 3: for things that he has done, that he served his 491 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 3: time for and is building a better life where he 492 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 3: is now. I do think that if any pardons are 493 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: to be had, it should be for Joe. So I'm 494 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 3: on a gsteam saying hashtag free her Daddy Joe. Joe, 495 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 3: I'm I have to take a step back and just 496 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: say it. I'm cautious of how society is going. If 497 00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 3: if fame is actually fair. Who else is going to 498 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 3: get slaps on the wrist and not be held accountable 499 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: for the things that they do, and we as reality 500 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 3: show producers capitalizing off of that. I know it makes 501 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 3: for great storyline. I'm assuming quickly that they will resume shooting. 502 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 3: We're going to follow the Kresleyes uh as with this 503 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 3: post conviction and since again he shows to do to 504 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 3: this day no remorse. He was doing an interview I 505 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: believe with people where he said where he talked very 506 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 3: openly about his own privilege and how people were in there. 507 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 3: He didn't he wasn't doing, you know, the the work 508 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 3: there because he was he refused to get paid uh 509 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 3: slave wagers. He just was like I'm better than this 510 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: and and no. And now that I'm out, he went shopping. 511 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 3: They got their roots done. I'm like, come on, it's. 512 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 2: Not the high lifestyle. 513 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 3: It's like, come on, So what is that saying as society? 514 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 3: And what does that say about popularity? Even with the 515 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 3: respect to our industry of reality TV? Like what do 516 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: we do the cameras want to follow they should be 517 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 3: following because we want to know as audience members, but 518 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 3: as as just a consciousness of accountability. Do you believe 519 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 3: that production should take a stand or should production just 520 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 3: be fair to the stories unfolding at hand. 521 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: Yes, well you know how I feel. I'm a journalist, 522 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: hey Porsche, and. 523 00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: Similar to you, studied communication journalism in college. I I 524 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: believe in the ethics of journalism, which is your personal 525 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: opinion does not impact. 526 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 2: The story how you feel. 527 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: Barbara Walters interviewed so many people from mass murderers, the 528 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: Menandez brothers, dignitaries of other nations who have done some 529 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: horrible things. 530 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 2: She never imposed her personal opinion. She got the story. 531 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that when it comes to reality television 532 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: my granted, with that being. 533 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 2: Said, there are some elements of like. 534 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: With that being said, I also do not believe at 535 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: all that people should be on camera spewing hate, racism, sexism. 536 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 2: I don't believe in that at all. So I want 537 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: to make that very clear too. 538 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: In this case of the chrislies being free, Listen, I 539 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: understand as producer, you're getting the story. Just like Barbara 540 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: Walters made sure she got the exclusive interview in prison 541 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 1: Courtney with the Menindaz brothers. 542 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 2: She wanted the exclusive and cameras followed, is it. 543 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: Getting alleged murderers promotion or are you or as a 544 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: media you're just telling the story. I'll follow one of 545 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: those guidelines, which is why I was definitely front and 546 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: center when Teresa was released from prison and the cameras 547 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: captured the moment she walked in the house and saw 548 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: her daughters, and there was not a dry eye in 549 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: the room. 550 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing. 551 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like, listen, there's no one size 552 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: fit all approach for any of these situations. But I 553 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: definitely think fundamentally you have to look at the situation 554 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: and see if it's an opportunity. 555 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 2: One more example would. 556 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: Be I'm gonna butcher Butcher the name, but Courtney is 557 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: also somebody who watches lots of Lifetime in addition to. 558 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 2: Documentary movies about people's lives. 559 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: Is the woman who killed her mother because she was 560 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: drugged into thinking she was handicapped. 561 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 2: And I've got her name. 562 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 563 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm not on a second and she had a reality 564 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: show but she got released right Well. 565 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 3: Listen, they're saying, Todd and Julie are already projecting their 566 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 3: future plans. The couple intends to launch a new lifetime 567 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 3: docuseries and convert a mansion into a hotel in South 568 00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 3: Carolina so cameras will be watching. My concern is i'mse 569 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 3: Gypsy Rose. My concern like you, as a producer, I 570 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 3: think everybody is entitled to tell their story. As a person, 571 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 3: I do wonder about the message and messages we're sending 572 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 3: when someone's privilege is front and center and it's allowing 573 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 3: certain things to take precedence over real accountability for crimes 574 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 3: actually committed. In Jia's case, again, we saw them go 575 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 3: through everything they were that was handed to them, from 576 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 3: the sentencing to the deportation to the reconciliation. Because there's 577 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 3: still a lot of work that has to be done 578 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 3: to capture that in real time. Was a mon to 579 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 3: see this unfold, and trust me, I know both you 580 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 3: and I both will be watching to see it. But 581 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 3: they're also going to capitalize on the moment. And really 582 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 3: there's the gratitude from this administration from the Presley family 583 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 3: to the reward. I kind of worry about the reward 584 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 3: of these kind of gardents. But again, I'll be watching, 585 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,320 Speaker 3: I'll be watching. 586 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: You can already. 587 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 3: See this is a massive storyline if you're going to 588 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 3: convert a mansion, you're going to deflect and then distract 589 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 3: us with this show where Todd is going to be Todd, 590 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 3: Julie is going to be Julie, and the kids are 591 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 3: going to be the kids. The reunion, I don't know 592 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 3: if I's USA or now which is peacock. NBC is 593 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 3: going to redo or renew or bring back the show 594 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 3: we'll all be watching. Do I think they deserve a 595 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 3: second chance. Perhaps everybody deserves the second chance. I just 596 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 3: wish from a legal standpoint, they would have been held 597 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 3: to greater accountability before we all just sit here and 598 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 3: celebrate their release. 599 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred. Since so they have been released. 600 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: We will see when the show will be released, and listen. 601 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: Gia Judais got the post to stamp Child and went 602 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 1: to the local mailbox and. 603 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 2: She sent it off this out right welcome out. 604 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: Handbrint it hashtag bring Joe Home Child, in addition to 605 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: addressed it to sixteen hundred Sylvania happenue. 606 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 2: After help me shall see what happens? 607 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 1: And has more things unfold, Courtney Parker and I will 608 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: be back to give you guys more So, thank you 609 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:08,280 Speaker 1: for another great episode of our weekly episode Reality Crimes 610 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: Stories with court Meey Parker. 611 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 3: Thank you, Carlos, thank you, rain Drops. 612 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: See you next week, next week. 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