Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and today I am in Beautiful Florence, Montana. Florence, Montana,
Speaker 1: my good buddy, Corey Miller. Welcome to the show. Corey.
Speaker 2: Thanks good to have you come by the house and
Speaker 2: see beautiful Montana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always always fun. It's always a nice drive
Speaker 1: over here and beautiful. And some of the parts of
Speaker 1: Idaho I have to drive through from from the Boise
Speaker 1: area to get here, it's not real beautiful. But the
Speaker 1: moon it looks like the face of the moon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but once you hit that pass, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's where they filmed it actually, yeah, the moonlight landing.
Speaker 2: Because you know, it's funny that I can't make a
Speaker 2: phone call, but yet we were able to call the moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In sixty nine, I want to go back to the landlines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, I don't know theories. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's out there. So what do they call that pass
Speaker 1: that I come over between sam And, Idaho and Darby, Montana.
Speaker 2: I think that I don't know if that's well, it's
Speaker 2: Chief Chief Joseph is up there on the top and
Speaker 2: that's the ski resort. Okay, so I think it's Chief
Speaker 2: Joseph Pass.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it could be anyway. It's beautiful, yeah, right
Speaker 1: at the right at the base when you start climbing
Speaker 1: up that hill the pass, and then once you get
Speaker 1: into Montana, it's just beautiful. Even go by the Yellowstone Random.
Speaker 1: I had to giggle a little bit to myself because
Speaker 1: they've got these orange well I think they're lime green cones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jason Phelps would love those. He loves lime green. One
Speaker 1: up on and went home and get a couple of those,
Speaker 1: will make bugles out of them.
Speaker 2: You get to watch that guy.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, they have these cones set up and the
Speaker 1: sign that says no parking, no stopping, and there's like
Speaker 1: a little pop up tent and a car sitting there
Speaker 1: with it like a security person. Yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: And I've driven by there several times since Yellowstone the
Speaker 1: TV series, in case you didn't know what I was referencing,
Speaker 1: And they film it right there, you know, John Dutton's house,
Speaker 1: and there's always some LOOKI lose, you know, stop it
Speaker 1: and looking at it. But this is the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen the barriers of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they've had them up for quite a long time.
Speaker 2: But people don't care. They still just stop anyways. And
Speaker 2: actually the neighbor's property they have a beautiful gate now
Speaker 2: also because Yellowstone had to actually pay for that, apparently
Speaker 2: because people were driving down their driveway to then get
Speaker 2: pictures of the ranch. Yellowstone people are crazy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a TV show for credit aloud. Yeah, but it's interesting
Speaker 2: and it brings uh, it depends if you're from Montana.
Speaker 2: It brings a lot of people to Montana that didn't
Speaker 2: they didn't want here. I don't know that. The people
Speaker 2: have always been pretty polite. I've liked it, and brings
Speaker 2: a lot of money into the into the valley, which
Speaker 2: has been good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well what I'm doing here in Florence, Montana. You
Speaker 1: may not know this, but Corey has like a basic
Speaker 1: full fledged archery pro shop and range in his basement's
Speaker 1: house and he was setting up my new dart dartin
Speaker 1: sequel thirty three. You might remember Corey from an earlier
Speaker 1: podcast we did this summer when we talked about elk
Speaker 1: hanting tactics and arrows and good good elk killing arrows
Speaker 1: and such and anyway, I'm over here, I'm getting my
Speaker 1: my dartin sequel thirty three, all set up ready to
Speaker 1: go for in the season, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's record a podcast while I'm here. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you don't know Corey, he used to have Triple
Speaker 1: X Archery, the former archery shop owner. And what part
Speaker 1: of Oregon that or excuse me.
Speaker 2: Washington, Oregon. Yeah, so I lived in Washington, but we
Speaker 2: put the shop in Oregon, right on the Columbia River
Speaker 2: there and Rainier, Oregon, and we did that one for
Speaker 2: sales purposes, sales tax. Oregon didn't have sales tax, so yeah,
Speaker 2: so we I did that for gosh, it's been I
Speaker 2: think it was sixteen seventeen years somewhere in there. I
Speaker 2: used to do all Jason's work when I lived there,
Speaker 2: and Jason and I haunted a lot of the same
Speaker 2: territories and got to know each other real well and
Speaker 2: became good friends and did a lot of bow work
Speaker 2: for him. And Ryan Lamperts was from that area. A
Speaker 2: lot of the guys have all escaped and moved to
Speaker 2: Montana so or Idaho. Uh. I don't know when Jason's
Speaker 2: gonna move, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope he's listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: because I harassed him about it a lot, a lot,
Speaker 1: because he's you'll start complaining about you know, Washington and
Speaker 1: this and that, and I'm like, you know, you can
Speaker 1: fix that. Yeah, you could move to like some other
Speaker 1: states that are much much better for a hunter or sportsman.
Speaker 2: Just in life in general. I mean, my my Mie
Speaker 2: Tress level I think is so much better. And you know,
Speaker 2: the people are friendly, the weather, I'm so I don't
Speaker 2: miss the rain from the Northwest. I don't miss the traffic,
Speaker 2: I don't miss the politics of of of it. Everything
Speaker 2: just seems easier, nicer, you know, as far as mentally
Speaker 2: being happy, and and there's there's just a ton of
Speaker 2: stuff to do outside. Definitely don't watch near there's much
Speaker 2: TV and and the hunting is definitely about us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because we we have everything. You know, you got big
Speaker 2: horned buffalo moves, mountain goat, elk deer, purcey chickens, yeah
Speaker 2: we can see. Yeah, we got turkeys. I didn't have
Speaker 2: really a lot of that or any of that, you
Speaker 2: know where I lived in Oregon and Washington. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's all kinds of you know, you can get
Speaker 2: bear tags antelope and matter of fact, antelopes just starting
Speaker 2: to open up, and I'm gonna probably head over tomorrow
Speaker 2: and see if I can't get an antelope. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's just a game rich environment. And the one thing
Speaker 2: that for Montana that I love and I don't know
Speaker 2: how long we'll be able to keep it, is we
Speaker 2: don't choose a weapon, and and coming from Oregon and
Speaker 2: Washington and watching hunters fight against hunters, that's one thing
Speaker 2: that we don't really see here. I mean, we're all hunters.
Speaker 2: And if you want to bow hunt, your bow hunt.
Speaker 2: If you want a rifle, your rifle, and if you
Speaker 2: want to hunt that season, you just hunt that season.
Speaker 2: And so it's been really really nice for that. I
Speaker 2: haven't still haven't rifle on. It's just for me. That's
Speaker 2: a busy time of year and it's still just just
Speaker 2: not my passion, like like the bow hunting side.
Speaker 1: Sure sure, Well, as a former shop owner, you probably
Speaker 1: saw some funny, funny things come through the door, you know,
Speaker 1: bo mishaps, people going going a field, elk hunting and
Speaker 1: then you know first two or three days afield or
Speaker 1: maybe you know, hunting for a week or so and
Speaker 1: having a malfunction or something go wrong. You know, whatever
Speaker 1: can go wrong, it seems like will go wrong. And
Speaker 1: so I kind of want to talk about some of
Speaker 1: the things that you know before we head outlets. This
Speaker 1: podcast is going to air August twenty ninth, so it's
Speaker 1: almost almost time, almost too late, But man, if you
Speaker 1: could give some of our listeners some good feedback on
Speaker 1: some things to know before you go check this stuff
Speaker 1: on your bow, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the big thing is is as you
Speaker 2: get closer to season, the time frames to get things
Speaker 2: fixed gets so much longer. Everybody's backed up, you know,
Speaker 2: from getting bow strings, just getting bows tuned. A lot
Speaker 2: of times the shelves might be empty, you might not
Speaker 2: get the choice of a broadhead or an arrow that
Speaker 2: you want. So try and get everything done earlier as
Speaker 2: far as getting stuff prepared, and then as far as
Speaker 2: like a checklist of things to do as we get
Speaker 2: into that final stages. Hopefully, the strings and cables are
Speaker 2: probably the most important thing, and that's the one thing
Speaker 2: that you want to get done early as possible because
Speaker 2: you want those to be set in. You want your
Speaker 2: peep to be done. You want any kind of rotation,
Speaker 2: any kind of settling of a string. You want that
Speaker 2: all take care of months before season. Once you do
Speaker 2: that and you've got your bow in time, you've got
Speaker 2: your sights all set, you know, marking, marking stuff like
Speaker 2: marketing your limb bolts to make sure that the limb
Speaker 2: bolts aren't backing out, marketing anything that can move market
Speaker 2: with a paint pen. So if something starts acting up,
Speaker 2: you can start making some visual checks real quick and easy.
Speaker 2: Double check in your you know, I really like to
Speaker 2: kind of just hang on to the bow and hit
Speaker 2: the side of the riser a little bit and just
Speaker 2: listen for some vibration, listen for anything rattling, and then
Speaker 2: double check all your your Allen's and all your bolts
Speaker 2: and stuff like on your site and stuff. But you
Speaker 2: need to have that stuff done ahead of time and
Speaker 2: to avoid, like you said, some mishaps, and some of
Speaker 2: the ones Dosey drove me up the wall was you know,
Speaker 2: guys would come in and they'd try fire to bow
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, how'd that's happen. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I got up in the morning and I wanted to
Speaker 2: see if my peep was going to turn, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: has it not been turning. And if it hadn't been turning,
Speaker 2: then why didn't we address this weeks ago?
Speaker 1: Number one?
Speaker 2: And why all of a sudden do you think it
Speaker 2: wouldn't And why didn't you put an arrow in it
Speaker 2: when you drew it back? It just baffled me. So,
Speaker 2: you know, they drive fire a bow, and at that
Speaker 2: time of the year, I mean you could it could
Speaker 2: be whether or not you get a hunt or you
Speaker 2: have to buy a new bow because you know, trying
Speaker 2: to get cams or limbs or strings in a timely
Speaker 2: fashion at that time of years pretty unheard of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty tough. I've even you know, I gave
Speaker 1: one of my old bows that I had to my
Speaker 1: son law and it had the kind of cams that
Speaker 1: they weren't adjustable for drawing, so we hadn't wear new cams.
Speaker 1: And shoot, man, we've waited a month and a half,
Speaker 1: two months, and he did this in the springtime, you know,
Speaker 1: so we had plenty of time to get get it
Speaker 1: set up. But still, I mean, the lead times can
Speaker 1: be long, yeah, just just the way it is. And
Speaker 1: then shop times, you know, that's a busy time of
Speaker 1: year for the shop. That seems like the procrastinators all
Speaker 1: crowd in and it's you're gonna have to wait until
Speaker 1: your bows and line and gets is able to get work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, just just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: listening for anything that moves. And I one of my
Speaker 2: big things that I do, like I get everything done
Speaker 2: like early. So everything's done now and now that I'm
Speaker 2: going to go handle the punting. But it's not going
Speaker 2: to change. Nothing's going to change from my antelope set
Speaker 2: up to my elk set up. But I'm I'm dialed
Speaker 2: and I'm done. And when I say I'm done means
Speaker 2: like I'll very rarely from now till September shoot my bow,
Speaker 2: in which it isn't that time a long time. I
Speaker 2: mean we're realistically a couple of weeks before opener here.
Speaker 2: And I say that because every time we shoot a bow,
Speaker 2: we're taking the chance of something coming loose, something moving,
Speaker 2: something going wrong. And the thought process of me having
Speaker 2: to practice should have been done months ago. Like I
Speaker 2: didn't forget how to shoot a bow. I don't need
Speaker 2: to be reminded every day on how to shoot a bow.
Speaker 2: If I'm worried about stamina. I mean, let's be real,
Speaker 2: how many times you're gonna shoot during the season, if
Speaker 2: they're seating enough to get tired, let me know where
Speaker 2: you're at. Typically you're only going to shoot that bow
Speaker 2: a couple of times during the season. So that part
Speaker 2: of it, like I just get my bow set on
Speaker 2: and I'm done shooting it because I don't want to
Speaker 2: take the chance of something moving. And then the other
Speaker 2: big advice is don't you leave your car and your
Speaker 2: your bow in the car this time of.
Speaker 1: Year, oh yeah, because that'll make your strings stretch.
Speaker 2: Well a lot of times it destroys the limb.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Limb failures. A lot of limb failures are all due
Speaker 2: to excessive heat to a car. So the strings, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. They could stretch. You can
Speaker 2: usually kind of twist that back up, but it just
Speaker 2: melts the laments and the glues and the resins in
Speaker 2: a limb, and in a way they go, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: A pretty and opportunity. Time to have a limb failure
Speaker 1: is right when you're trying to go hunt.
Speaker 2: And that's the always the challenge. You know, when I
Speaker 2: lived in Oregon and I would go out to Idaho
Speaker 2: or Montana, you know, travel for for haunts, you know,
Speaker 2: like how do I bring a backup bow? And for
Speaker 2: me it was like what do I do with my
Speaker 2: backup bow?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't? Yeah, and then then what it's not
Speaker 2: really going to be a backup bow if I needed
Speaker 2: it so anymore, I you know, I never did, but
Speaker 2: I hunted with a hunt partner that we were pretty
Speaker 2: much identical in what little bit we would change. You know,
Speaker 2: it was, hey, if it was my bow that broke
Speaker 2: or something happened, you know, he would be number one
Speaker 2: shooter all the way up until he was successful, and
Speaker 2: then we would make any kind of adjustments that we needed,
Speaker 2: and then I would hunt with that bow. Right. But
Speaker 2: now everybody gets out That's why I don't hunt with
Speaker 2: Jason Phelps because trawling's a little too long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's even too long for me. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's a long draw guy. He's got these big monkey
Speaker 1: monkey like arms. Yeah, spider monkey if you will.
Speaker 2: And he walks too fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah that too, that too, and he and you would
Speaker 1: think he like, when you go hunt with him, this
Speaker 1: is kind of a tangent. But he think he'd like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Rabbi steaks and if we're gonna eat good
Speaker 1: when we go hunting. Now he's like he gets baloney,
Speaker 1: and like spam makes blooney sandwiches. And last, last, last,
Speaker 1: last fall, we were in Kansas and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go pick up some stuff at the store for breakfast.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, great, I can't wait. He'll be great.
Speaker 1: And I get home and he's and he beat us
Speaker 1: to the beat us uh beat us in and and
Speaker 1: he had breakfast coach and I'm like, what's what's that?
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, that's fried spam. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: they didn't have any bacon or sausage. He's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: they didn't. Like okay, so we ate that. We were
Speaker 1: ate that bright fried spam and we were glad to
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: We were hungry.
Speaker 1: But but you know, you always think it's going to
Speaker 1: be some kind of gourmet meal with that guy, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not always you know, always that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think causes that?
Speaker 1: Well? I do what causes the blooney sandwich? He bought
Speaker 1: a packet of Righty pack, one of those great big
Speaker 1: ones that are about sixteen inches long, with all these
Speaker 1: different cold cuts sliced up and you have your ham,
Speaker 1: and you got your turkey, and you got your your
Speaker 1: this and that salamie. You know, all turkey, turkey, turkey, salami, turkey, this,
Speaker 1: turkey that, and then what was left was the turkey boloney.
Speaker 1: Well he already him and everybody else already got their sandwich,
Speaker 1: and they left the turkey blooney. To me, that was
Speaker 1: real nice of him. You know, a real true leader
Speaker 1: would probably you know, means that he's the leader in all.
Speaker 1: A true leader would eat last, or say hey, you're
Speaker 1: a guest, really, yeah, right exactly, and be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody is got their eye on
Speaker 1: that balooney, and if not, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: eat that. That way, you guys get the good stuff.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do if I were in a
Speaker 1: leadership leadership position.
Speaker 2: But I do like bolooney as far as hunting, because
Speaker 2: like it's simple, Like I'll just literally put baloney in
Speaker 2: a piece of cheese on a piece of bread and
Speaker 2: that that's like no mayo, no mustard, no nothing.
Speaker 1: Just are you a mayo guy? Or are you a
Speaker 1: miracle whip guy?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Neither, But if you at all neither. You like your
Speaker 1: sandwich dry dry? That's crazy.
Speaker 2: No ketchup?
Speaker 1: How do you choke it down?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you like, like, can't ketchup on your hamburger?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, meat cheese, but bam, Yeah I knew it. I
Speaker 1: used to work with a guy like that, neat cheese
Speaker 1: bum bum on his burgers. He liked hamburger cheese. You
Speaker 1: like cheeseburgers. He liked chicken nuggets, and he liked pepperoni pizza.
Speaker 1: And that was that's it.
Speaker 2: That's me. You get you pepperoni, black olliars, m boneless
Speaker 2: chicken wings or chicken strips.
Speaker 1: That's a that's basically a chicken nugget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is they're good. And yeah, you eat like
Speaker 2: the well done cheeseburger plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's awesome. So yeah, I agree. Like banging,
Speaker 1: like striking your bow on the side of the limb
Speaker 1: or something in your hand and trying to get it
Speaker 1: to vibrate and make.
Speaker 2: Like something loose.
Speaker 1: You'll hear you'll hear it, you'll feel it, or even
Speaker 1: if you shoot it a little bit, you're like, something
Speaker 1: ain't right.
Speaker 2: And then and then the trick on that is if
Speaker 2: you hear it and you're now you're going to look
Speaker 2: at where's it coming from? So now how you grab
Speaker 2: the bow before beating or pounding on the side of it.
Speaker 2: So grab grab the sight and hit the hit the riser.
Speaker 2: Does it still do it? Okay, Well that's not it
Speaker 2: coming from the site? Grab the limb pocket area. Does
Speaker 2: it go there? Grab grab a hold of the cam
Speaker 2: and hit it. So you can you can start finding
Speaker 2: where that vibrations coming from from elimination. But a lot
Speaker 2: of times, a lot of times it's coming out of
Speaker 2: the Usually the most common is going to be the
Speaker 2: site and the cam mods will come loose.
Speaker 1: One time, opening morning Archery Elkin, Oregon. I lived in
Speaker 1: Orgon at the time and drove, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: two hours from my house up in the mountains. I
Speaker 1: got up there, stayed the night, got up the next morning,
Speaker 1: and I thought, it's pretty bumpy road going up there.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't know, I better shoot
Speaker 1: my bow before I leave camp here. I'm gonna shoot
Speaker 1: at one time and just verify and pull my bow
Speaker 1: back and I shoot and I barely hit the target. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know when this happened because I'd been shooting
Speaker 1: it quite a bit all summer.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck, I barely hit the target.
Speaker 1: So I start looking, you know, I'm like looking at
Speaker 1: my string and my rest and my side pins. That's
Speaker 1: an obvious place to kind of look and see if
Speaker 1: there's something off. Everything looked kind of right there, and
Speaker 1: so I'm looking at limbs, I'm looking at cams, and
Speaker 1: then finally in my top cam. This was a single
Speaker 1: cambo and the top the top wheel was cocked over
Speaker 1: like the bearings had gone out in that wheel at
Speaker 1: some point when I hadn't noticed between the last time
Speaker 1: I shot a week or two ago and then to
Speaker 1: where I got out there. So at that point I
Speaker 1: was dead in the water. And this was like Labor
Speaker 1: Day weekend, and now I'm trying to scramble. And I
Speaker 1: lived in a pearl, pretty rural town, you know, so Enterprise, Oregon.
Speaker 1: That's the middle of nowhere, and there's no archery pro
Speaker 1: shops there. The closest ones were in La Grand, Oregon.
Speaker 1: They were all closed for the big weekend. So I'm
Speaker 1: just like I got this other big elkhunt out of state.
Speaker 1: Elk hunt back in Idaho in like eight days and
Speaker 1: I need to get a bow and get it set
Speaker 1: up and dialed. So I ended up having to order
Speaker 1: one online because nobody'd pick up a phone and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I got.
Speaker 2: To do something.
Speaker 1: So I ordered something online and put my rest on
Speaker 1: it and got it all set up myself. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like those fluke things you can be, really can
Speaker 1: can be, can really come out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: At Yeah, as far as like one thing, like on
Speaker 2: your accessories and a lot of the I think the
Speaker 2: accessories nowadays there it's a lot more common. But but
Speaker 2: having micro adjusting arrow rest and micro adjusting sites on
Speaker 2: your what we call gain adjustments to remember like the
Speaker 2: like a site like a black Gold you had a
Speaker 2: dovetail mount that you would loosen and you would slide
Speaker 2: your whole site housing up and down in that. And
Speaker 2: then they started coming out with a micro adjustment. So
Speaker 2: now I can loosen the nut and then I can
Speaker 2: dial that housing up and down.
Speaker 1: Click click click.
Speaker 2: And the biggest wasn't so much the fine tuning of
Speaker 2: that that I liked is that if that comes loose,
Speaker 2: it vibrates noise, It doesn't slide down, It can't move
Speaker 2: until that dial keeps gear driving that so if it
Speaker 2: comes loose, it's a quick easy, Oh that's loose. I
Speaker 2: can hear it vibrate and I can tighten it and
Speaker 2: nothing's moved. It's the same thing with your arrest if
Speaker 2: that comes loose, instead of it vibrating and starting to
Speaker 2: slowly drop down lower and lower. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: you're missing the target because you're shooting them in the dirt.
Speaker 2: If that comes loose, it may sag down a little bit,
Speaker 2: but it's not moving from its original spot. So then
Speaker 2: when you go to tighten it, everything should be back
Speaker 2: to where it was. So maybe something to kind of
Speaker 2: think about when you are picking out some of your
Speaker 2: accessories to see whether or not it has a microadjusting
Speaker 2: gain adjustments on those to help if those were to
Speaker 2: come loose, that they're not going to move off of
Speaker 2: those spots.
Speaker 1: Now, shooting your bow from time to time or regular
Speaker 1: regular regularly, yeah, that's often often. Often you may like
Speaker 1: there may be some subtle changes that happen in your
Speaker 1: bow's performance. You may not pick up until maybe you
Speaker 1: shoot a different bow of the same kind and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, man, like for the timing your cams for instance,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you kind of get in your
Speaker 1: rhythm of shooting that thing and that that will kind
Speaker 1: of creep up on you. So checking the timing on
Speaker 1: your cams, you know, especially with broadheads going to field,
Speaker 1: that that's probably gonna make your your broadheads fly weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that's where, uh, you can take
Speaker 2: a paint pan again and mark your cams or they
Speaker 2: line up like across the limb, so you've got a
Speaker 2: good reference mark. But that is, like you say, the timing,
Speaker 2: and even most cams have those marks and those are
Speaker 2: sink marks, they're not timing marks. And so a lot
Speaker 2: of people are like, oh, it's it's out of time
Speaker 2: because these aren't perfect, and it's like, that's not that's
Speaker 2: just the orientation of where that cam needs to start,
Speaker 2: and that will dictate your poundage of your limb and
Speaker 2: your drawlings. So if your cables stretched, then your poundage
Speaker 2: is going to go down. If your bow string stretches,
Speaker 2: your poundage is going to go up. So a lot
Speaker 2: of times guys are like, oh man, my string stretch,
Speaker 2: I lost some poundage. It's hitting sixty eight pounds. Well,
Speaker 2: it's your cables. That's stretch, not your bow string. So
Speaker 2: if and that's where that that kind of comes in.
Speaker 2: You can sometimes see that, but it's very subtle. I mean,
Speaker 2: you on those sync marks. All your timing is always
Speaker 2: need to be done in a drawboard at full draw
Speaker 2: on getting your posts to hit the cable or the limb,
Speaker 2: depending on what cam you have at the same time.
Speaker 2: At full draw. Everything else is just a starting point
Speaker 2: of the cam. But it's a good reference for you know,
Speaker 2: by doing the paint pins or anything like that. If
Speaker 2: things things are starting to go, it gives you, like
Speaker 2: I say, it's just a quick visual of, you know,
Speaker 2: something to look at. Now if you notice that, man,
Speaker 2: there's a holy crowd. You know, this thing's not even
Speaker 2: remotely close. Nine times out of ten that string is breaking.
Speaker 2: If it's moved enough to where you're like really noticing it,
Speaker 2: there's probably strands broken underneath your serving and and it's
Speaker 2: a good telltale sign that you better not shoot that again. Uh,
Speaker 2: take it to a shop. Have somebody really look at
Speaker 2: those strings cables. But a lot of times things can
Speaker 2: break underneath servings and we just don't know it until
Speaker 2: it's too late. But it will kind of get stretched
Speaker 2: out a little bit and start moving the orientation of
Speaker 2: a cam tiny and if it's if it's you know,
Speaker 2: a typical bow, you you'll start to feel. If it's
Speaker 2: just one cable, you'll definitely start to feel it kind
Speaker 2: of get a bumpity bump on the back end when
Speaker 2: it hits the stops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's really good. I ever even thought of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if the mice
Speaker 1: can pick this up. But but your dog is that
Speaker 1: an English English bulldog?
Speaker 2: We've got an English and a French now and I
Speaker 2: don't know which one. I don't know which one's the
Speaker 2: snort today, they're both. They were playing all all morning,
Speaker 2: so they're they're tuckered out.
Speaker 1: So another thing that some people may or may not
Speaker 1: even be aware of is like their third axes on
Speaker 1: their boat. So if you're shooting it on a flat,
Speaker 1: flat backyard or flat range, you don't really notice that
Speaker 1: kind of a third access too much. But when you
Speaker 1: start shooting steep uphill, steep downhill, that's going to make
Speaker 1: your hero drift left or right. So what can people
Speaker 1: do to kind of kind of do a quick check
Speaker 1: at home to see if their third access is out
Speaker 1: because some of us just don't live where it's easy
Speaker 1: to make a steep shot, or yeah, we don't want
Speaker 1: to climb up on the roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that the part, Yeah
Speaker 2: you can get up on the roof, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to tell you to do that. That's true.
Speaker 1: I've done it, trying to trying to like.
Speaker 2: Because then in all it's like while you're up there,
Speaker 2: clean the gutters. So yeah, you know, trying to get
Speaker 2: out to a range or or yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 2: difficult if you if you're from flat, flat ground where
Speaker 2: you don't have any hills, But yeah, the best way
Speaker 2: is to always if you can get out and shoot
Speaker 2: it in, you know, and it will it will be
Speaker 2: you know, it's either going to shoot to the left
Speaker 2: on downhill and to the right uphill. It's if it's
Speaker 2: shooting both, then it's probably not a third axis deal.
Speaker 2: So they will run opposite when that third axis is
Speaker 2: is off. But the other the one thing with third
Speaker 2: axis that I feel like people think that just because
Speaker 2: they supposedly got their third access set that they won't
Speaker 2: miss things left and right on uphill and downhill and
Speaker 2: the The key to that is is that level is
Speaker 2: a is a is it's a reference mark or it's
Speaker 2: a guide for you. And the good archers will read
Speaker 2: the terrain. Target archers will read terrain like a golfer
Speaker 2: will read a green on the lay of the land,
Speaker 2: the grass, the slope, the moisture in the grass, all
Speaker 2: these different things of what it's going to cause that
Speaker 2: ball to do. And so a really good target archer
Speaker 2: will also read the terrain. The lighting. Lighting coming into
Speaker 2: your people will make you shoot left and right. And
Speaker 2: then just because it's downhill and on the side hill
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can still just shoot that straight
Speaker 2: up level. So you can still have a downhill, a
Speaker 2: slight side hill downhill. And then also introduce some wind
Speaker 2: drift into that too. So there's two things you can do.
Speaker 2: You can start aiming off or you can take your
Speaker 2: top cam push it into the into the wind, or
Speaker 2: push it into the hill. And this is one thing
Speaker 2: that I do recommend people to practice and understand how
Speaker 2: much does that move my arrow at distances say forty
Speaker 2: or fifty yards and take your bow, shoot it straight
Speaker 2: up level boom, I'm shoot in the middle of the
Speaker 2: of the dot. Now I'm going to go a whole
Speaker 2: half a bubble over so you'll can't the bull can't
Speaker 2: the bow and see where it impacts. How much is
Speaker 2: it two inches? Is it three inches? And that way
Speaker 2: a good like I say, a good archer can can
Speaker 2: look at the terrain and say, man, this arrow is
Speaker 2: going to naturally want to go even further downhill, and
Speaker 2: so I'm going to give it some bubble. I'm going
Speaker 2: to not just shoot it straight up because it's still
Speaker 2: going to go down there. So just because your third
Speaker 2: ACXISS is set, doesn't mean you shoot every shot with
Speaker 2: a level.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm really sad you told me all this because
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna have to rethink everything. So I guess
Speaker 1: some work to do well.
Speaker 2: And the thing typically, if you had a hill coming
Speaker 2: from your your right to to your left, you know,
Speaker 2: say a downhill and it's a side hill, if you
Speaker 2: push that camp into the top of that into the
Speaker 2: into the top hill, even if you didn't need to,
Speaker 2: it's probably not going to go uphill much, maybe a
Speaker 2: half an inch or something. But now if you let
Speaker 2: that bow sag a little bit to the downhill side,
Speaker 2: that air is probably gonna miss by two or three
Speaker 2: inches now, because it's naturally wanting to go that direction.
Speaker 2: So once that bow fire is is going to go.
Speaker 2: So if you're in doubt, just give it a little
Speaker 2: bit to that that hill. And that's the beautiful thing
Speaker 2: with target archery as far as versus three D is
Speaker 2: that you can really learn a lot more because you
Speaker 2: have to shoot multiple shots. And so when you come
Speaker 2: up to a target and you can glass and look
Speaker 2: at majority of arrow holes and say, well, this target,
Speaker 2: a lot of arrow holes are on the left edge
Speaker 2: of the dot and there's a reason. And now you're
Speaker 2: going to figure out what that reason is. Is it
Speaker 2: the lighting or is it the terrain the side hill?
Speaker 2: And so when you shoot that first one straight up
Speaker 2: and it goes out to the left with everybody else's
Speaker 2: arrow holes, you go, I got to I'm give this
Speaker 2: thing a little bubble and push into it and see
Speaker 2: where that arrow goes. So you can start really learning.
Speaker 2: So when it doesn't you don't have to overthink. Those
Speaker 2: shots will be just you'll just when you do it enough,
Speaker 2: you just see the terrain and say, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: this is my shot set up on this I'm going
Speaker 2: to push into this hill or push into the wind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll get that good instinct because if you've got a
Speaker 2: left right wind too, you know, so I can, like
Speaker 2: I say, I can either aim off or I can bubble.
Speaker 2: I don't like aiming off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I aim for a reason. I like looking at what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hit, and so I'd rather give my
Speaker 2: my bow a little bit of bubble.
Speaker 1: So can't your top wheel into.
Speaker 2: The wind, into the wind, into the hill?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard that before. That's great. And see
Speaker 1: I'm learning all sorts of stuff here.
Speaker 2: This is this is great and like I say, these
Speaker 2: are things that you want to go home and play,
Speaker 2: play with and practice so you can and not blame,
Speaker 2: you know. And there's just going to be some targets.
Speaker 2: So that's right. Like guys will go, oh man, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was missing some stuff left and right and my
Speaker 2: third access is off. Maybe it could be a combination
Speaker 2: of both that you just need to give it more,
Speaker 2: even though you know there's some wind and it's going
Speaker 2: to push the arrow and there's a lot more sight
Speaker 2: hill than you thought, or the lighting coming in from
Speaker 2: left to right and change the image of a bit
Speaker 2: on the peep That's why the lot of the peach
Speaker 2: are getting in a lot better too, with the baffles
Speaker 2: in them. Like the Hamski pet that you've got that
Speaker 2: really helps with some of that that lighting issues that
Speaker 2: cause some left and right issues.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a sunshade rifle scope. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this information would have been valuable the other days at
Speaker 1: the range and the wind was blowing hardness and I
Speaker 1: was shooting uphill and whatever else and and and some
Speaker 1: steep angles, and I was like, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this this uh this third axis is right or
Speaker 1: if it's the wind or it could have been the lighting.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to it. You know. Let's
Speaker 1: say you cited Okay, I have a question. So if
Speaker 1: you sit in your bow at an indoor range and
Speaker 1: then you go out on the field in the field
Speaker 1: wherever and lighting is obviously different, are you gonna see
Speaker 1: any different arrow un pacts there is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can definitely, it's the same thing. Like you
Speaker 2: know where I shoot here, mine's front to back my son,
Speaker 2: so I don't really see a lot of that. I'll
Speaker 2: get wind drift, you know, A certain times I got
Speaker 2: more wind than others. So for me getting my my
Speaker 2: windy set sometimes is a chore because I'm like, am
Speaker 2: I really tightening in for the wind or is it
Speaker 2: really calm enough that I'm not getting any wind drift?
Speaker 2: But so if you you could have a range that
Speaker 2: your sun sets and rises are on your left and right,
Speaker 2: and say you you've always shot your bow first thing
Speaker 2: in the morning, and you've got your windage set, and
Speaker 2: then you go out and I'm like, ah, davenan, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and shoot samarrows tonight, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you're shooting off the other side. And that
Speaker 2: can just definitely be from the now the sun's coming
Speaker 2: through your peep on a different angle than it was
Speaker 2: in the mornings that you've always sighted in.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense because I've seen little
Speaker 1: weird things like that, and then shoot it the next
Speaker 1: day at a different time and say, I'm glad I
Speaker 1: didn't move my sight because now I'm back on So yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you're really messing with my head. More rabbit holes to
Speaker 1: go down right well, And I think it just kind
Speaker 1: of goes to show too.
Speaker 2: Is like.
Speaker 1: Practicing in weird places compared to your backyard is so
Speaker 1: important for hunting. Situations because people, you know, I could
Speaker 1: shoot eighty yards or one hundred yards is like a champ.
Speaker 1: But you get into a different lighting scenario, you get
Speaker 1: into a different hillside, All these different things come to
Speaker 1: a different play and if you're shooting longer, longer range,
Speaker 1: all that stuff amplifies, Right. So, man, just knowing those
Speaker 1: things and knowing how close to keep your shots is
Speaker 1: probably going to be different in the field versus in
Speaker 1: your backyard or your local range.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm nervous, but yet still excited. I guess for
Speaker 2: my tag for Montana Elk because I haven't shot an
Speaker 2: elk over forty yards in years. Yeah, and I have
Speaker 2: no desire to. But yet I'm not sure what the
Speaker 2: terrain is going to be in store for me over there.
Speaker 2: And I really just hope I don't have to have
Speaker 2: to make a decision on any of that, because I
Speaker 2: just there's just so much stuff to go wrong, and
Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm a good archer, but there's
Speaker 2: just still so many variables that come into play, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't everything gets magnified with the broad head, right.
Speaker 2: So the slightest mistake in my form, the slightest mistake
Speaker 2: in my anything of that shot process gets magnified by
Speaker 2: that broadhead and then you take the animal movement on
Speaker 2: top of it, and yeah, it's just it's a tough situation.
Speaker 2: Nobody plans on shooting bad. But you know, I alsually
Speaker 2: try to reinforce myself of if the voice inside my
Speaker 2: head is in any doubt, I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a good that's a good method to do.
Speaker 1: I feel like inside your head it's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I hope I don't miss this shot. Or if it's
Speaker 1: like you don't even hear that, everything's just good, feels good.
Speaker 1: You just have to think about it. You release a
Speaker 1: really good arrow, felt good. Those are usually the times
Speaker 1: that you know it's it's gonna be a great shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about d loops? Learn how to learn how to
Speaker 1: tie a D loop? I know earlier when you were
Speaker 1: tying in my D loop and you're kind of giving
Speaker 1: me some lowdown about these little soft knots or whatever
Speaker 1: you call them. I'm not sure you call them, but
Speaker 1: they're like once you once you get your your knock
Speaker 1: on the string and you're setting everything and and you
Speaker 1: put these little placeholder knots before you put on it.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of shops will always pretty much
Speaker 2: always shoot at least a bottom tie in knot, and
Speaker 2: if you're gonna do one, at least do that. And
Speaker 2: in the video of the setup on yours, probably a
Speaker 2: lot going to be a lot easier for the people
Speaker 2: to understand what we're talking about here. But it changes
Speaker 2: the pressure on the arrow at full draw on when
Speaker 2: you put knocks below the knock of the arrow and
Speaker 2: spread that gap. But it gives you a reference mark,
Speaker 2: especially as a hunter, of knowing like, hey man, my
Speaker 2: D loop's bad, I've got material, I know how to
Speaker 2: tie a D loop. I'm not worried about replacing this
Speaker 2: in the field or even taking it to a shop
Speaker 2: and having them do it. Those tied in knots stay there,
Speaker 2: so when you cut that D loop off, you're not
Speaker 2: redoing the tune of the bow. You're just going to
Speaker 2: go ahead and tie on a new D loop and
Speaker 2: everything should be good to go there. Sometimes there can
Speaker 2: be slight slight slight chain you change one thing, it
Speaker 2: seems like it changes everything, but typically on that it's
Speaker 2: it's going to be a minute, and usually it's going
Speaker 2: to be just a little gain adjustment on the site,
Speaker 2: whether not be a left to right or an up
Speaker 2: and down, but it would be a minute movement to it.
Speaker 1: So how much frame on a D loop would you
Speaker 1: say you should probably change that out?
Speaker 2: Well, first off, if you're getting fraying on a D
Speaker 2: loop in less than a year, honestly, you've probably got
Speaker 2: a burr or a pinch point in your release. There's
Speaker 2: guys that are like, man, I just put this on
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, there's definitely something wrong with your release.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're seeing fuzzing where there's something going
Speaker 2: on and it may not just it may not be
Speaker 2: anything you can fix. It can just be honestly a
Speaker 2: bad design in a release. We see a little bit
Speaker 2: more of it with Caliber releases because you do have
Speaker 2: a pinch point with a style that has a hook.
Speaker 2: It's a lot easier on D loops. But if you
Speaker 2: ever see white cord stop stop like twenty shots ago. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah that so the lining of the Yeah that
Speaker 2: that so when you when you cut D loop material
Speaker 2: and you fuzz it out, you'll see that white cord
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: It's like the core.
Speaker 2: Basically, if you see that stop, immediately replace it. Yes,
Speaker 2: don't try to show like, well I got one more,
Speaker 2: I got one more.
Speaker 1: I can kill an elk with this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, Now, now if it was if I didn't have
Speaker 2: any material and I wasn't you know, and there again,
Speaker 2: this is like I said, going back to like I
Speaker 2: don't shoot my bow because more and more things can
Speaker 2: go wrong. But if I was out in the wilderness
Speaker 2: and I the bow shop was five hours away and
Speaker 2: I didn't have delap material, you're you're at the mercy.
Speaker 2: You're you're going to have to trust it. But it's
Speaker 2: usually a no go. You're probably gonna punch yourself in
Speaker 2: the face. So yeah, so yeah, you shouldn't see. I mean,
Speaker 2: a d loop should last as long as the stream
Speaker 2: will last, and it can last for years. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you've got a good release on there, so yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's it's it's cheap, it's easy. So if you are
Speaker 2: getting some stuff and replace it, don't take the chance.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's good. Good. And so do you have
Speaker 1: two releases when you go hunting? You have?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Usually I do one in your pack and one Yeah.
Speaker 2: I usually will have. And that's one thing too, is
Speaker 2: you know, in less you're shooting in the exact same release.
Speaker 2: Double check those releases. If you have a caliber release
Speaker 2: and a handheld release, your anchor points and your stuff
Speaker 2: will slightly be off. But as long as you center
Speaker 2: your peep in your housing, you're you're going to be
Speaker 2: fine as far as a lot of your elevation stuff.
Speaker 2: But if you have a caliber that swings from left
Speaker 2: to right, the other one swings right to left, your
Speaker 2: impact left and rights will be different. So you want
Speaker 2: to double check if you're shooting a different style or
Speaker 2: a different release. So there's a lot of guys that
Speaker 2: buy a like a cheaper handheld or buy a handheld
Speaker 2: release and then say, man, I really this new one
Speaker 2: came out and they go buy a new one and
Speaker 2: they have that one as a backup. Make sure you
Speaker 2: shoot both of those because they can shoot differently on impact.
Speaker 1: I notice I have the same release, I use a
Speaker 1: wrist trap release or whatever. But then they're the same kind,
Speaker 1: but one has a different wrist trap than the other one,
Speaker 1: and one doesn't have quite the same amount of adjustment
Speaker 1: front of you know, to lengthen it or shorten it,
Speaker 1: So definitely it's a different feel. So you're going from
Speaker 1: one to the other. So that's something to be cognizant
Speaker 1: of too. It's just like, man, this is.
Speaker 2: But having something slightly off is better than not having
Speaker 2: anything right. So, you know, and I shoot typically, I
Speaker 2: shoot a handheld. I mean a lot of people are
Speaker 2: going this direction, and I don't tether it because I
Speaker 2: definitely don't want that thing stuck to my hand. So
Speaker 2: the chances of me losing that release is high, I
Speaker 2: guess significant. So you know, the one thing that I
Speaker 2: would recommend people do not clip your handheld release on
Speaker 2: your string and walk around with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Look,
Speaker 1: I've seen people do that somebody we know, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's probably the best thing to do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, whatever, I mean, if you're moving like oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to move from this tree to that tree
Speaker 2: type of saying, yeah, it's not a big deal. But
Speaker 2: I literally watched people walking around yards, you know, with
Speaker 2: that thing on there, and yeah, don't just don't get
Speaker 2: into that habit. Yeah, you're really asking to lose a release.
Speaker 1: Well, in nineteen ninety four, I made this epic hunt
Speaker 1: where it was a boat hunt. So I had a
Speaker 1: boat and We took the boat forty seven miles up
Speaker 1: this reservoir to where it turned from reservoir lake you know,
Speaker 1: slack water into a river, and we got all the
Speaker 1: way up there and it's like, oh, cool, I don't
Speaker 1: have my release. Of course, my hunting partner has his,
Speaker 1: So guess who the first shooter is going to be,
Speaker 1: and maybe the until he maybe he screw up or
Speaker 1: kills an out, then I'm kind of at the mercy
Speaker 1: of not having a release, you know, until then. So
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's a pretty pretty good time to have
Speaker 1: that extra release.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing that is is that's when you
Speaker 2: would want to shoot your bow. If say, say you
Speaker 2: lost your handheld in you did have a wrist rocket
Speaker 2: in the back or at the truck, then definitely you
Speaker 2: know it's going to be typically a windage adjustment, So
Speaker 2: shoot it. Yeah, we're two inches to the right, make
Speaker 2: that adjustment, get it dialed back in, and you're you're
Speaker 2: gonna be good to go. But at least you're you're
Speaker 2: back up and hunting. And so that's about the only
Speaker 2: time on a big failure would I be out really
Speaker 2: shooting my bowt checking anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I've talked about this before on I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's this podcast or another, but I had
Speaker 1: this guy I got to know a few years ago
Speaker 1: and he drew a moose tag in here in Idaho
Speaker 1: and he he's like, I'm gonna shoot it with a bow.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, cool, Yeah, have you killed anything with
Speaker 1: your boat? I've never killed anything with my boat, but
Speaker 1: I think it'd be like the ultimate to shoot this
Speaker 1: moose with a bow. And so once in a lifetime
Speaker 1: tag if you harvest. If you don't harvest, then you
Speaker 1: can go back into the drawing. But I've been applying
Speaker 1: for moose for decades and not drawing one. So you know,
Speaker 1: luck smiles on some people, not so not so much
Speaker 1: for me. But anyway, I'm like, you really want to,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna have your rifle for a backup. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot this with my bow. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: right on, cool man. Well, I didn't see him until
Speaker 1: after season was over and I said, hey, did you
Speaker 1: get that moose? And he's like, oh, you'll never believe it.
Speaker 1: I've been watching this big moose, this big giant bull
Speaker 1: moose leading up to opening day, and Opening Day comes
Speaker 1: and there he is. I go out throw with my
Speaker 1: bow and I get I get close and I get
Speaker 1: stuff to shoot, and I shoot and I miss and
Speaker 1: I should again I miss. And He's like, I shot
Speaker 1: every arrow in my quiver at this moose and didn't
Speaker 1: hit it. And he just stood there and finally it
Speaker 1: just kind of walked off, because most they're not real
Speaker 1: scared a lot of times. And I'm like, what the heck?
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, what what do you think could have happened?
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, like, had you sided your bowing with
Speaker 1: broadheads obviously before season?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: No, I mean they they should. They should hit right
Speaker 1: where they they're both point field points hit. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. You know. Did you have
Speaker 1: your bow tuned before you went?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Tone, No, I just you know, I've had this bow forever.
Speaker 1: I just know it shoots. And so I'm like, what
Speaker 1: what kind of arrows were you shooting? He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I had like three or four different kinds. I had
Speaker 1: some that I'd bought, and then my uncle he gave
Speaker 1: me some and and so he had like these mixed
Speaker 1: quiver full of arrows. Probably none of them were the
Speaker 1: same way or broadhead style or weight or nothing was
Speaker 1: right about this setup. And I'm like, so are you
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go out again and try to
Speaker 1: like is your season gonna be any longer than it was?
Speaker 1: Or are you done? He's like, I'm done, Like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you just left all that happenstance toll like a once
Speaker 1: in a lifetime type of opportunity. I mean, he could
Speaker 1: probably draw a tag again someday, maybe if he's lucky,
Speaker 1: But people like.
Speaker 2: That usually get luck.
Speaker 1: They'll probably do the same thing, right. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's super important to make sure all your arrows
Speaker 1: are the same by him out of the same batch,
Speaker 1: set them up for your for your hunt. All the
Speaker 1: same inserts, all the same knocks, all the same fletchings,
Speaker 1: all the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's I think that's one thing too that
Speaker 2: I think most of us are guilty of just because
Speaker 2: of the way the broadheads are. You know, we we
Speaker 2: take for granted that we shot one or two broad
Speaker 2: heads out of six broad heads and expect every one
Speaker 2: of those to be the same, And uh, it's not.
Speaker 2: I've seen some companies that, Yeah, there's just inconsistencies in
Speaker 2: the ferals enough to man you got to shoot every
Speaker 2: one of them. It's one thing I like about either
Speaker 2: a research sharpable you know, cut on contact type of
Speaker 2: head that you can re sharpen. You can definitely shoot
Speaker 2: that head, touch it up and you're good, or something
Speaker 2: with replacement bleedes. Yeah, and you know, even some of
Speaker 2: the mechanicals that come with practice. I mean, we're still
Speaker 2: just rolling dice in my opinion of hopefully these do
Speaker 2: fly exactly like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're taking a lot of putting a lot
Speaker 1: of faith in their published information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. The I think that's the biggest, probably
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things that we do. And it's
Speaker 2: and I don't blame people because you kind of just
Speaker 2: assume some of this stuff should be the same and
Speaker 2: it's expensive to go through. But shoot every broadhead and
Speaker 2: eliminate some of those flyers. But you know, we do
Speaker 2: it mainly with arrows. But like I say, everything gets
Speaker 2: magnified by a broadhead.
Speaker 1: Right, I know in the past, shooting this one particular
Speaker 1: brand of broadhead, I would.
Speaker 2: You can say it Alan brought it Alan.
Speaker 1: Oh, they were slightly better, but they were sharp as
Speaker 1: I'll get out. But I would have to index and
Speaker 1: spin test every single one, but I would have to
Speaker 1: mix and match. I would take a dozen arrows, and
Speaker 1: I'd take nine broad heads, and I would mix and
Speaker 1: match heads two half out or insert basically, and then
Speaker 1: put it in the arrow. Spin test it. And I
Speaker 1: always like to line my my blades up with my fletchings.
Speaker 1: Whether that's hocus pocus or not, in my mind it
Speaker 1: is for me, it is. Everybody else may say no,
Speaker 1: but anyhow, spin test it and watch and see if
Speaker 1: if the if it spins right, if it's like perfectly smooth,
Speaker 1: the tip is not going up and down wobbly or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I would have to go through I don't know
Speaker 1: how many different combinations, like, no, it didn't like that
Speaker 1: insert outs ort, whatever you want to call it, didn't
Speaker 1: like that one, but paired with this one it worked,
Speaker 1: Or that combination didn't work with that arrow, but it
Speaker 1: did with this one. Yeah. And then some of the
Speaker 1: blades would be rattily inside the farrel and some would
Speaker 1: be tighter than I'll get out. So then I would
Speaker 1: try to like, okay, I try to mix and match
Speaker 1: until I got all tight, you know, And so I
Speaker 1: might have one oddball that was a little bit loosey goosey,
Speaker 1: that would be like a practice one. But but by
Speaker 1: doing that, like making sure all those fun perfectly, I
Speaker 1: found that, man, they all shot way better than if
Speaker 1: I just screwed them things on and this would take
Speaker 1: like three hours. I would spend like three hours doing
Speaker 1: this and it's such a pain in the butt. But
Speaker 1: those I had better consistent groups where you know, they
Speaker 1: would shoot consistently better by taking the time and.
Speaker 2: Doing that, I think if you're old enough, we all
Speaker 2: remember that the first arrow in the quiver was always
Speaker 2: the best one, and then the next one was really
Speaker 2: pretty good too, and then the next one was it
Speaker 2: was okay, And by the time you got to that
Speaker 2: sixth arrow, we're back then when we used to carry
Speaker 2: eight arrows and the quipper. You know, those other ones
Speaker 2: were just a hope and a prayer, yeah, and be
Speaker 2: a grouse arrow. So now you know, broad heads have
Speaker 2: gotten more consistent, arrows have gotten more consistent, spine consistency
Speaker 2: across the board of arrows have gotten more consistent. The
Speaker 2: weight consistency, and I don't think weight's a huge factor,
Speaker 2: especially in an ar row itself. You know, when you
Speaker 2: when you measure carbon, because you're realistically measuring dust across
Speaker 2: twenty eight or twenty nine inches. You know, one or
Speaker 2: two grains is not a factor of why you're missing things.
Speaker 2: But it's a feel good thing, and it's nice to
Speaker 2: know that things are as precise as we can get them.
Speaker 2: But it's not the end all, and you're definitely gonna
Speaker 2: probably find you're gonna find a lot more inconsistencies in
Speaker 2: veins and field points in broadheads weights across them than
Speaker 2: you probably are in arrows anymore. How much glue did
Speaker 2: you put on, especially even on an insert. Did you
Speaker 2: get a little bit on that one and a lot
Speaker 2: on that one?
Speaker 1: And so?
Speaker 2: But spine consistency, I think is the most the most
Speaker 2: important part on an arrow. Yeah, and that's not like
Speaker 2: spine alignment as much as spine consistency being across the
Speaker 2: board of your dozen arrows? Are they because there's always
Speaker 2: there's always going to be variances in spine. Say a
Speaker 2: three fifty could be a three forty or it could
Speaker 2: be a three sixty, and they get labeled as a
Speaker 2: three fifty. So if you have a consistency in a
Speaker 2: batch of arrows, that all those arrows are say three
Speaker 2: forty five to three fifty. That type of tolerance is
Speaker 2: between companies, and a lot of guys don't talk about
Speaker 2: that as much as spine alignment, right, and then just
Speaker 2: having a good arrow that when you do, if you
Speaker 2: if you have access to it like a ram spine
Speaker 2: tester where you can put put it on there and
Speaker 2: watch the needle and slowly rotate a narrow and watch
Speaker 2: where the highs and the lows are very minimal. And
Speaker 2: there's some companies that definitely when you rotate it, there
Speaker 2: is definitely a seam and it's in a tight a
Speaker 2: tight spot like whoa man, she's really the spine is
Speaker 2: really super stiff right here, weak down here. But then
Speaker 2: you throw in the other part of it, like you say, so, now,
Speaker 2: if you if you were to put a three forty
Speaker 2: in a three sixty and you fletched them on the
Speaker 2: stiff side, those two arrows still might not shoot together
Speaker 2: because of the three forty to three sixty of that
Speaker 2: spine of a three fifty earrow can be that far
Speaker 2: spread that they're still going to react differently to each other. Right, So,
Speaker 2: even though you did spine a line it onto the
Speaker 2: stiff side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So don't mix and match your arrows from two
Speaker 1: from last year, you know, years ago.
Speaker 2: And a lot of arrows you know, are in batches,
Speaker 2: you know, consistent off of stuff like that. But to me,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it depends on everybody's finances too, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's always good to you know, if you're going to,
Speaker 2: you know, year to year shoot the same arrow you know,
Speaker 2: get some new fresh arrows and and make those your
Speaker 2: your important ones and beat up all your old ones,
Speaker 2: and practice and get site marks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: As far as your elevation and stuff, usually not going
Speaker 2: to be a big deal. But the group tightening, you know,
Speaker 2: shooting arrow after ara after row in the same spots.
Speaker 2: I'm going to show on some of that, but a
Speaker 2: lot probably a little bit too much more to think about.
Speaker 2: I guess you can really go down some rabbit holes
Speaker 2: on this stuff. But bottom line is practice, shoot, be
Speaker 2: you be consistent, because you know you're you're changing more
Speaker 2: than any of the other stuff.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, that's true, That's very true. Now, you and
Speaker 1: I both watch a lot of YouTube videos hunting videos,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many I watch, where when
Speaker 1: the archer draws back on the elk and you hear
Speaker 1: a noise from the arrow sliding on the rest, like
Speaker 1: maybe this little squeak or just a slide like it's
Speaker 1: a loud slide or whatever, and bam, the bull perks
Speaker 1: up and stops it picks that up. Man, that's something
Speaker 1: you got to figure out before hunting season gets here.
Speaker 1: So depending on your rest and how it works, like
Speaker 1: some some of the old rest I used to have
Speaker 1: back in the old day had maybe they were covered
Speaker 1: with like a rubber.
Speaker 2: Dip or like a shoulder wrap or hunters. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then you'd shoot, and you shoot so much then it
Speaker 2: would wear a hole in it and then you'd start
Speaker 2: hearing the I got mine. Mine this year is probably
Speaker 2: super quiet on the rest. I was definitely getting a
Speaker 2: lot up and I was able to find some really
Speaker 2: thin felt and just put a very little bit on
Speaker 2: there and that the only thing you hear is the
Speaker 2: is the stops hitting the cable. Yeah, And at that
Speaker 2: time I'm loaded and it's it's it's good time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not getting there right, So it's super
Speaker 2: I'm really happy with my setup on on how how
Speaker 2: everything's working together on that bow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to definitely take a look at
Speaker 1: mine to make sure it's good to go, because before
Speaker 1: I go afield, because yeah, that's something you don't want
Speaker 1: to find out that you kind of overlooked, you know,
Speaker 1: in your groove of practice in all summer and you
Speaker 1: kind of forget about that stuff until you're out in
Speaker 1: the woods it's opening day and or whatever, maybe it's
Speaker 1: the last day of it.
Speaker 2: The definitely the one thing with elk hunting, there's definitely
Speaker 2: times where you know, some of that stuff just doesn't
Speaker 2: even matter because it's chaotic. You know, the winds are blowing,
Speaker 2: the leaves are rustling.
Speaker 1: The bolts are making noise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's limbs popping elk or screaming, cows are chirping,
Speaker 2: you know. So, but you get up in a tree
Speaker 2: for white tail.
Speaker 1: Or a water hole for anaaloge, you got snow on.
Speaker 2: The ground, everything's just superie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's not a not a noise.
Speaker 2: At all, just you moving your arm to hook onto
Speaker 2: the release, you know, onto the strings. What was that?
Speaker 2: But sometimes we can get by with a little bit
Speaker 2: more on elk honting something crazy like white tail hunting.
Speaker 1: You brought up then how they were reacted to different sounds.
Speaker 1: So in Kansas last fall, sitting in a blind, I
Speaker 1: moved inside the mind there's a there's a deer in
Speaker 1: front of us, and I moved and I hit the
Speaker 1: side of the blind that there's a metal blind, and
Speaker 1: it made a clank noise. The deer name looked their way,
Speaker 1: but I moved my arms, you know, fabric on fabric moving,
Speaker 1: and that deer just stops and just looks into that blind,
Speaker 1: like what is that? So it was weird that clink
Speaker 1: did not get a reaction at all, but the sound
Speaker 1: of clothing revenut clothing, and I thought that was odd.
Speaker 1: So then it went back to being not being paying attention.
Speaker 1: I might I'm gonna test this out and see if
Speaker 1: I just got lucky. And I think what i'd set
Speaker 1: I'd set my grunt call in the side of the
Speaker 1: blind or something and made a noise earlier. So I
Speaker 1: tinked it again and no reaction. So now I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's the case every time with white tails, because
Speaker 1: everybody knows sometimes anything will make them turn inside out.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was odd, But it is.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you know, you hear you know, egg
Speaker 2: corns or whatever hitting the leaves like you know, they
Speaker 2: and they don't, but all of a sudden, there's just
Speaker 2: something you look, what what was that? And so they do.
Speaker 2: I think they definitely have anunderstanding of what should be
Speaker 2: naturally sounds and unnatural sounds.
Speaker 1: They say, if you have to walk through hardwood forests
Speaker 1: and you're like trying to sneak, you know, for deer,
Speaker 1: then you should not like walk at a normal human
Speaker 1: cadence pace of step footsteps. Yeah, that you should like
Speaker 1: take a step, maybe shuffle your feet and then stop
Speaker 1: and then maybe move along again.
Speaker 2: And I do that when I'm elk hunting, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are like, oh man,
Speaker 2: I just suck them. I'm just I'm not very quiet,
Speaker 2: and I'm like I'm never quiet, Yeah, because I think
Speaker 2: they sense the predator, the sneakiness, like you know, versus
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have you been walking back
Speaker 2: to camp and just just beating it all said, Oh
Speaker 2: you look up and there's elk twenty yards in front. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they hate they urge you count and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: here comes some milk us who is it? Oh that's
Speaker 2: not jimmy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when there's a couple of people because you
Speaker 1: have that different like footstep sound and sound like yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're not quiet, No, they're not quiet.
Speaker 2: What is quiet? Predators?
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're going antaloe punting leaving here
Speaker 1: in an hour? Yeah? Probably less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: We wrap this thing up, you can go an aloe
Speaker 1: punting where you ground blinded? Are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Got some some blinds out on some water, which
Speaker 2: we got some thunderstorms and water coming already from the sky,
Speaker 2: so I don't know how good that's going to be.
Speaker 2: H If that's a bust, then we'll go out to
Speaker 2: the spot in stalk. But I've got some blinds on
Speaker 2: some area that really the only way to haunt it.
Speaker 2: There's just no cover. So there's a lot of goats
Speaker 2: out there, so hopefully we'll get them to come into
Speaker 2: some water. If not, then we'll drive around and try
Speaker 2: to find some some land that gives us some opportunities
Speaker 2: or some taller sagebrush to crawl around in.
Speaker 1: Therettle snakes there, I don't think. So what about where
Speaker 1: you're elk hunting this fall?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Are you a snake guy? Are you scared of snakes,
Speaker 1: but I don't see a whole lot of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Kevin, he lives in Dylan and h he's
Speaker 2: got a lot of rattlers.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we we both run, and a
Speaker 2: lot of his runs. He can't do all the trail
Speaker 2: runs that he likes to do during the summer because wow,
Speaker 2: the snake's wrote. He doesn't like them. And I'm telling him,
Speaker 2: I said, you know, you should get like some big
Speaker 2: old you know, boots and chaps on and see what
Speaker 2: you can get away with. Yeah, because I hear it's
Speaker 2: only like one percent that willever strike and then it's
Speaker 2: another like one percent or three percent that would actually
Speaker 2: get in and get venom in you like, It's like
Speaker 2: it's pretty rare, supposedly, huh. But I'd like him to
Speaker 2: try it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be a good test. I'd like to seize results.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: So and I I I probably could care less about snakes.
Speaker 2: And I would rather have snakes than say like scorpions
Speaker 2: or spiders. Oh really, yeah, because I know they'll crawl
Speaker 2: on me at night. Oh yeah, I can get it
Speaker 2: in my ears or something. I don't really mind any
Speaker 2: of those snakes or scorpions or spiders. But what I
Speaker 2: really don't like are beetles really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or centipedes. Beetles and centipedes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like centipedes.
Speaker 1: I don't want a beetle on mean or near me,
Speaker 1: but they give me the will.
Speaker 2: When you like when you watch Survivor and they eat
Speaker 2: the bugs. Does that buggery?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make me like get breathe heavyer my
Speaker 1: heart bound, but it makes me kind of like gross,
Speaker 1: But yeah, anybody does, yeh. Plsu're from one of those
Speaker 1: countries where beat ale eating or buggety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the squirting, you know, the crunch sound then
Speaker 2: the squirting of stuff coming out doesn't do it for me,
Speaker 2: but extra but yeah, but yeah, so I'm not sure
Speaker 2: on the snake thing. But yeah, I would choose not
Speaker 2: to see him if I didn't have to. But it's
Speaker 2: not not gonna be terrible, I guess, at least I
Speaker 2: say that now. Kevin sent me some pretty big pictures
Speaker 2: of our good pictures of some big snakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was just out shooting his bow the other day
Speaker 2: and he went for a run and he comes back
Speaker 2: and you could see where a snake went across the
Speaker 2: road and He's like, oh, sneaking snake just crossed the
Speaker 2: road and he started shooting his bow and stuff, and
Speaker 2: then come to realize that snake has been sitting there
Speaker 2: coiled up right behind his shooting steak the whole time.
Speaker 1: Holy cow.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, okay, I'm done.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't rattled. Really, that's a scary part, the
Speaker 1: ones that don't rattle. We were out at the archery range,
Speaker 1: my son Austin and I and he's like, oh, look
Speaker 1: there's a snake. I'm like where I'm looking around, I'm like,
Speaker 1: wo you know, right right over there. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I better be a little more careful. But it was
Speaker 1: a big old bull snake. I think it was probably
Speaker 1: about three feet long, but it wasn't big around it was.
Speaker 2: So we have like gopher snakes here and I've only
Speaker 2: seen two. But they they kind of have the markings
Speaker 2: of a rattler. They just don't have the head or
Speaker 2: the rattles. They're kind of cool looking. Accidentally hit one
Speaker 2: with a lawnmar But yeah, I like them because they
Speaker 2: eat a lot of the mice and stuff out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good to have around. My wife hates snakes,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't mind them, but she don't
Speaker 1: like mice, and she don't like snakes.
Speaker 2: Well you got a big one, like yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: just I don't like the creepy curlies at night, and
Speaker 2: I don't feel like the snakes would be I don't know,
Speaker 2: they might crawling your sleeping bag with you. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: had a skunk. Have you ever had a skunk? Has
Speaker 2: a skunk in my tent? No?
Speaker 1: I've had them around outside before.
Speaker 2: But not Yeah, we had a skunk. We're using a
Speaker 2: kafaro saw tooth and uh. I remember I woke up.
Speaker 2: I could hear some rattling, you know, rustling. I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: stupid mice, you know, into the wrappers. And I get
Speaker 2: up and I take out out on the flashlight, and
Speaker 2: I look around and see the skunk and scurrying off,
Speaker 2: and there's a wrapper off of one of my meat sticks.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, this son a gun was in
Speaker 2: our tent. He was in here with us while we
Speaker 2: were sleeping. And so I go back into bed and
Speaker 2: I don't know this. A little bit later and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I hear this rustling around again, and
Speaker 2: I grabbed my head lamp and I turned my headlamp
Speaker 2: on and he's inside. Oh no, and it's sort of course.
Speaker 2: I startled him at that point, and he starts running
Speaker 2: back and forth and I'm just thinking, no, no. I
Speaker 2: finally he zips up and gets underneath the sawdus and
Speaker 2: takes off, and I'm like, we're gonna have to kill
Speaker 2: that guy because he keeps coming in from my food.
Speaker 1: He found the food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that was pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Well, I killed this elk and I was breaking it down.
Speaker 1: I killed it, you know, forty minutes before dark or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was breaking it down, of course in the dark,
Speaker 1: got my headlamp on, and I'm working away, you know,
Speaker 1: breaking this thing down, cutting quarters off, and I hear
Speaker 1: there's something behind me. I hear something in the brush
Speaker 1: behind me, and I'm like, well, this is great because
Speaker 1: my pistol is about twenty yards up the hill with
Speaker 1: my pack and here this is it. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a showdown with a bear or a wolf or a
Speaker 1: mountain lion or something. And I turned around and it
Speaker 1: was the worst thing that I don't know if it
Speaker 1: might be worse than any of those. It was a skunk.
Speaker 1: He was about ten yards away, maybe closer, and he's
Speaker 1: kind of facing me, and he's kind of going from
Speaker 1: one front foot to the kind of bouncing back and
Speaker 1: forth on his front feet, looking at me, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what I am. But I think he smelled
Speaker 1: that elk me. I thought, oh man, it's good. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, hey, little guy. I start talking to him.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, little guy, what you just go, you know,
Speaker 1: scurry off? And I kind of backed up real slow,
Speaker 1: and I walked, got up, got over to my pack
Speaker 1: and grabbed my pistol and I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: can't shoot him because he'll spray all over my elk.
Speaker 1: I got this single skinned out, you know, and I
Speaker 1: got the meat exposed. If I shoot him and he's
Speaker 1: gonna spray all over the elk, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I just what am I going to do? So I
Speaker 1: just kind of made some noises and cleared my throat
Speaker 1: and talked to him a little bit with a louder voice,
Speaker 1: and he kind of finally scurried off. But man, that
Speaker 1: was that was a scary moment in time. And let's
Speaker 1: go do the wolves and the cats bother you? No,
Speaker 1: the bears, no, the bears don't bother you. No grizzly bears.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little concerned about them, but I don't
Speaker 1: hunt grizzly country. But when I have hunted it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've Yeah, you know, your head's on a swell. It
Speaker 1: seems like you're you're you're paying way more attention, like
Speaker 1: you're not just kind of do to do, like you're
Speaker 1: you're on it the whole time. But which at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I feel is more exhausting. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're just like wiped out
Speaker 1: as you've just been on high alert.
Speaker 2: Like I've never ran into a wolf the first opening
Speaker 2: day in Montana this year or last year, and you know,
Speaker 2: and I was never like, oh man, that was close.
Speaker 2: I almost scot you know, it's like it's a wolf.
Speaker 1: It's a dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: But they are known to attack people from time to time.
Speaker 1: But usually i'm hunting or I have If I didn't
Speaker 1: have a weapon, I would definitely be concerned. But you know,
Speaker 1: if I got my bow or my I usually if
Speaker 1: I'm by myself, a lot of times I'll pack a
Speaker 1: pistol just because if I get hurt or something I
Speaker 1: have to lay there and then things think I'm ready
Speaker 1: to ye things, things ready to eat over there. That
Speaker 1: I want to have a pistol to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of defend myself if i'm if I'm injured. But yeah, yeah, cougars,
Speaker 1: wolves and bears that I don't really worry about those
Speaker 1: too much, and I probably should. I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: run in one of these. Yeah, the bear.
Speaker 2: The bear is the only one that really makes me nervous.
Speaker 2: But there, you know, I haven't not come across the
Speaker 2: cat coming stalking in on me calling. I probably would
Speaker 2: feel a little bit different seeing a cat crouched up
Speaker 2: and ready. I know it's not usually it's not like
Speaker 2: high on my concern like like bears are.
Speaker 1: I know a couple I know. I have know a
Speaker 1: handful of people that have been stalked by cougars before.
Speaker 1: When Mike, my wife's cousin's son, high school boy, he
Speaker 1: was out rattling for white tails and he heard something
Speaker 1: behind him and there's a cougar like ten feet He
Speaker 1: turns around, blast it kills it dead right there. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if they're going to pounce.
Speaker 1: Cats are curious, They like to observe a buddy of mine.
Speaker 1: He he used to be a forester as for a trade.
Speaker 1: You know, he'd go through timber stands and mark timber
Speaker 1: for timber sales and all this and that. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I never carried a gun. He's liked him and another
Speaker 1: guy working on this survey. One day and he was
Speaker 1: kind of heading back to the pickup and he he's,
Speaker 1: I kind of I felt had a funny feeling. I
Speaker 1: turned around and there's a mountain lion following me, like
Speaker 1: fifteen yards back. Whenever i'd move, it move, So he's like,
Speaker 1: I just kept eye contact with it and moved my
Speaker 1: way real slow, and I kind of talked to it,
Speaker 1: you know, in a low voice, and got back to
Speaker 1: pick up. He followed me all the way out till
Speaker 1: I got to the pickup and opened the door. It
Speaker 1: was up on the cup bank and then it turned
Speaker 1: around the left.
Speaker 2: That's the best time to shoot it, right by the car, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had to pack it. And then about ten minutes later,
Speaker 1: his partner he was waiting for started hollering. He's like, Mark, Mark,
Speaker 1: you got a gun. There's a cat up. Harry's following me.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's okay, just come on back, keep eye contact,
Speaker 1: don't turn your back to him. He'll be fine. And
Speaker 1: that thing followed him all the way out, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't, it didn't pounce. But another guy knew of
Speaker 1: he was calling elk and he had a mountain lion
Speaker 1: come into his calling and he shot it with his bow,
Speaker 1: but it ran off. A couple of years later, a
Speaker 1: houndsman treed and killed it a mountain lion in that
Speaker 1: same area, and that thing had a broadhead lodged in
Speaker 1: its eye socket and it was the same broad It
Speaker 1: was the same cat that that guy had shot in
Speaker 1: the face a a couple of years earlier. It is
Speaker 1: in the newspaper there in orth Idahoa. So that was
Speaker 1: pretty cool to see that. And then I'd talked to
Speaker 1: the guy a couple of times too.
Speaker 2: When we were at Ryan Lampert's summit this year, Joel
Speaker 2: Turner came out and we did a thing on bear
Speaker 2: attacks or you know, shooting charging bear And yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not real good odds. No, I think maybe out of
Speaker 2: all the people that shot, everybody's probably three or four hits.
Speaker 2: I mean they were missing every time. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: it was just a milk jug being drug at them.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't even a charging grizzly bear. And
Speaker 2: the nerves of like, oh everybody's gonna watch me was
Speaker 2: just enough. And you know, I think that he realized, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a situation I really don't want
Speaker 2: to get in.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in it either. Well, I mean, you, flud,
Speaker 1: you've been walking along nice and quiet and a grouse
Speaker 1: flushes up you about piss your pants right there? Like
Speaker 1: think about a grizzly Yeah, surprising you like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pretty hard to keep up. I went
Speaker 1: chat together. I went and checked the cameras.
Speaker 2: And I'm walking into the meadow that I've got this
Speaker 2: camera on a wallow and I'm like so focused on
Speaker 2: looking for the tree to see if my camera's still there.
Speaker 2: Nobody stole that type of thing. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I stop and I look and there's a moose fifteen
Speaker 2: yards in front of me with a calf and she's
Speaker 2: kind of for she's looking at me, and I looked
Speaker 2: at her and like my heart just jumped and luckily
Speaker 2: she ran the other way. I was like, huh, it's
Speaker 2: fucking you know, and I had bear spray and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking it wasn't even remotely a thought process to grab
Speaker 2: do you think anything? I was just like, so the thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: the thought of an actual bear on am I ready?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anybody's ever ready. I just feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll have to be able to get my gun out,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably not going to try to shoot at
Speaker 1: it when it's running until it's like on me, like
Speaker 1: like point blank, because i feel like I'm I'm probably
Speaker 1: not going to hit it, right.
Speaker 2: The chances of me that's you know, And that's what
Speaker 2: really that Joel was talking about is like you're really one.
Speaker 2: The odds of killing the bear is extremely low with
Speaker 2: a handgun, and then really all you're trying to do
Speaker 2: is deter it, make it change its mind on what
Speaker 2: it's doing. Yeah, but yeah, that I mean that moose
Speaker 2: was like probably more people are killed by moose and bears, Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're pretty pretty pretty wild. Yeah, well man,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on podcast today. I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: get headed to antelope hunting and I'm gonna go do
Speaker 1: a little bit of scouting for Elk at Night. I
Speaker 1: wish you luck this fall. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: how you're following Folds.
Speaker 2: And yeah you too, Yeah you're you're going to be
Speaker 2: in some familiar stomping grounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully I can send you a picture.
Speaker 2: At least ten. Oh I know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah so good. Yeah, well it was a pleasure and
Speaker 2: I'm glad you came out and and uh yeah, look
Speaker 2: forward to seeing all the success this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks m