WEBVTT - Ep. 100: Is Your Bow Ready for Elk Season?

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dirk Durham and today I am in Beautiful Florence, Montana. Florence, Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>my good buddy, Corey Miller. Welcome to the show. Corey.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks good to have you come by the house and

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<v Speaker 2>see beautiful Montana.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's always always fun. It's always a nice drive

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<v Speaker 1>over here and beautiful. And some of the parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho I have to drive through from from the Boise

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<v Speaker 1>area to get here, it's not real beautiful. But the

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<v Speaker 1>moon it looks like the face of the moon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but once you hit that pass, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that's where they filmed it actually, yeah, the moonlight landing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, it's funny that I can't make a

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<v Speaker 2>phone call, but yet we were able to call the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In sixty nine, I want to go back to the landlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, I don't know theories. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's out there. So what do they call that pass

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<v Speaker 1>that I come over between sam And, Idaho and Darby, Montana.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I don't know if that's well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Chief Joseph is up there on the top and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the ski resort. Okay, so I think it's Chief

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Pass.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, it could be anyway. It's beautiful, yeah, right

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<v Speaker 1>at the right at the base when you start climbing

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<v Speaker 1>up that hill the pass, and then once you get

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<v Speaker 1>into Montana, it's just beautiful. Even go by the Yellowstone Random.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to giggle a little bit to myself because

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<v Speaker 1>they've got these orange well I think they're lime green cones. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Phelps would love those. He loves lime green. One

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<v Speaker 1>up on and went home and get a couple of those,

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<v Speaker 1>will make bugles out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>You get to watch that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyhow, they have these cones set up and the

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<v Speaker 1>sign that says no parking, no stopping, and there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a little pop up tent and a car sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>with it like a security person. Yeah, it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've driven by there several times since Yellowstone the

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<v Speaker 1>TV series, in case you didn't know what I was referencing,

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<v Speaker 1>And they film it right there, you know, John Dutton's house,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's always some LOOKI lose, you know, stop it

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<v Speaker 1>and looking at it. But this is the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the barriers of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, they've had them up for quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But people don't care. They still just stop anyways. And

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<v Speaker 2>actually the neighbor's property they have a beautiful gate now

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<v Speaker 2>also because Yellowstone had to actually pay for that, apparently

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<v Speaker 2>because people were driving down their driveway to then get

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of the ranch. Yellowstone people are crazy. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a TV show for credit aloud. Yeah, but it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and it brings uh, it depends if you're from Montana.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings a lot of people to Montana that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't want here. I don't know that. The people

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<v Speaker 2>have always been pretty polite. I've liked it, and brings

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money into the into the valley, which

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<v Speaker 2>has been good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well what I'm doing here in Florence, Montana. You

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<v Speaker 1>may not know this, but Corey has like a basic

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<v Speaker 1>full fledged archery pro shop and range in his basement's

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<v Speaker 1>house and he was setting up my new dart dartin

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<v Speaker 1>sequel thirty three. You might remember Corey from an earlier

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<v Speaker 1>podcast we did this summer when we talked about elk

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<v Speaker 1>hanting tactics and arrows and good good elk killing arrows

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<v Speaker 1>and such and anyway, I'm over here, I'm getting my

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<v Speaker 1>my dartin sequel thirty three, all set up ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go for in the season, and I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's record a podcast while I'm here. And I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know Corey, he used to have Triple

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<v Speaker 1>X Archery, the former archery shop owner. And what part

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<v Speaker 1>of Oregon that or excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>Washington, Oregon. Yeah, so I lived in Washington, but we

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<v Speaker 2>put the shop in Oregon, right on the Columbia River

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<v Speaker 2>there and Rainier, Oregon, and we did that one for

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<v Speaker 2>sales purposes, sales tax. Oregon didn't have sales tax, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we I did that for gosh, it's been I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was sixteen seventeen years somewhere in there. I

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<v Speaker 2>used to do all Jason's work when I lived there,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jason and I haunted a lot of the same

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<v Speaker 2>territories and got to know each other real well and

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<v Speaker 2>became good friends and did a lot of bow work

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<v Speaker 2>for him. And Ryan Lamperts was from that area. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the guys have all escaped and moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Montana so or Idaho. Uh. I don't know when Jason's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna move, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I hope he's listening to this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>because I harassed him about it a lot, a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's you'll start complaining about you know, Washington and

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<v Speaker 1>this and that, and I'm like, you know, you can

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<v Speaker 1>fix that. Yeah, you could move to like some other

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<v Speaker 1>states that are much much better for a hunter or sportsman.

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<v Speaker 2>Just in life in general. I mean, my my Mie

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<v Speaker 2>Tress level I think is so much better. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the people are friendly, the weather, I'm so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>miss the rain from the Northwest. I don't miss the traffic,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't miss the politics of of of it. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>just seems easier, nicer, you know, as far as mentally

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<v Speaker 2>being happy, and and there's there's just a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to do outside. Definitely don't watch near there's much

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<v Speaker 2>TV and and the hunting is definitely about us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because we we have everything. You know, you got big

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<v Speaker 2>horned buffalo moves, mountain goat, elk deer, purcey chickens, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>we can see. Yeah, we got turkeys. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>really a lot of that or any of that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know where I lived in Oregon and Washington. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's all kinds of you know, you can get

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<v Speaker 2>bear tags antelope and matter of fact, antelopes just starting

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<v Speaker 2>to open up, and I'm gonna probably head over tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and see if I can't get an antelope. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a game rich environment. And the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that for Montana that I love and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how long we'll be able to keep it, is we

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<v Speaker 2>don't choose a weapon, and and coming from Oregon and

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<v Speaker 2>Washington and watching hunters fight against hunters, that's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't really see here. I mean, we're all hunters.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to bow hunt, your bow hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want a rifle, your rifle, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to hunt that season, you just hunt that season.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's been really really nice for that. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't still haven't rifle on. It's just for me. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a busy time of year and it's still just just

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<v Speaker 2>not my passion, like like the bow hunting side.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure sure, Well, as a former shop owner, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>saw some funny, funny things come through the door, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bo mishaps, people going going a field, elk hunting and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know first two or three days afield or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, hunting for a week or so and

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<v Speaker 1>having a malfunction or something go wrong. You know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>can go wrong, it seems like will go wrong. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I kind of want to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you know before we head outlets. This

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is going to air August twenty ninth, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost almost time, almost too late, But man, if you

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<v Speaker 1>could give some of our listeners some good feedback on

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<v Speaker 1>some things to know before you go check this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on your bow, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, the big thing is is as you

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<v Speaker 2>get closer to season, the time frames to get things

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<v Speaker 2>fixed gets so much longer. Everybody's backed up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from getting bow strings, just getting bows tuned. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times the shelves might be empty, you might not

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<v Speaker 2>get the choice of a broadhead or an arrow that

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<v Speaker 2>you want. So try and get everything done earlier as

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<v Speaker 2>far as getting stuff prepared, and then as far as

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<v Speaker 2>like a checklist of things to do as we get

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<v Speaker 2>into that final stages. Hopefully, the strings and cables are

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<v Speaker 2>probably the most important thing, and that's the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to get done early as possible because

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<v Speaker 2>you want those to be set in. You want your

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<v Speaker 2>peep to be done. You want any kind of rotation,

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of settling of a string. You want that

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<v Speaker 2>all take care of months before season. Once you do

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<v Speaker 2>that and you've got your bow in time, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>your sights all set, you know, marking, marking stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>marketing your limb bolts to make sure that the limb

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<v Speaker 2>bolts aren't backing out, marketing anything that can move market

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<v Speaker 2>with a paint pen. So if something starts acting up,

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<v Speaker 2>you can start making some visual checks real quick and easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Double check in your you know, I really like to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just hang on to the bow and hit

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the riser a little bit and just

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<v Speaker 2>listen for some vibration, listen for anything rattling, and then

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<v Speaker 2>double check all your your Allen's and all your bolts

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like on your site and stuff. But you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have that stuff done ahead of time and

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid, like you said, some mishaps, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the ones Dosey drove me up the wall was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>guys would come in and they'd try fire to bow

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, well, how'd that's happen. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I got up in the morning and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>see if my peep was going to turn, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>has it not been turning. And if it hadn't been turning,

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<v Speaker 2>then why didn't we address this weeks ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Number one?

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<v Speaker 2>And why all of a sudden do you think it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't And why didn't you put an arrow in it

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<v Speaker 2>when you drew it back? It just baffled me. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they drive fire a bow, and at that

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<v Speaker 2>time of the year, I mean you could it could

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<v Speaker 2>be whether or not you get a hunt or you

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<v Speaker 2>have to buy a new bow because you know, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get cams or limbs or strings in a timely

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<v Speaker 2>fashion at that time of years pretty unheard of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty tough. I've even you know, I gave

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<v Speaker 1>one of my old bows that I had to my

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<v Speaker 1>son law and it had the kind of cams that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't adjustable for drawing, so we hadn't wear new cams.

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<v Speaker 1>And shoot, man, we've waited a month and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>two months, and he did this in the springtime, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we had plenty of time to get get it

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<v Speaker 1>set up. But still, I mean, the lead times can

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<v Speaker 1>be long, yeah, just just the way it is. And

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<v Speaker 1>then shop times, you know, that's a busy time of

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<v Speaker 1>year for the shop. That seems like the procrastinators all

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<v Speaker 1>crowd in and it's you're gonna have to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>your bows and line and gets is able to get work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, just just kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>listening for anything that moves. And I one of my

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<v Speaker 2>big things that I do, like I get everything done

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<v Speaker 2>like early. So everything's done now and now that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to go handle the punting. But it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to change. Nothing's going to change from my antelope set

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<v Speaker 2>up to my elk set up. But I'm I'm dialed

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm done. And when I say I'm done means

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<v Speaker 2>like I'll very rarely from now till September shoot my bow,

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<v Speaker 2>in which it isn't that time a long time. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we're realistically a couple of weeks before opener here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say that because every time we shoot a bow,

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<v Speaker 2>we're taking the chance of something coming loose, something moving,

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<v Speaker 2>something going wrong. And the thought process of me having

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<v Speaker 2>to practice should have been done months ago. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't forget how to shoot a bow. I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to be reminded every day on how to shoot a bow.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm worried about stamina. I mean, let's be real,

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<v Speaker 2>how many times you're gonna shoot during the season, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're seating enough to get tired, let me know where

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<v Speaker 2>you're at. Typically you're only going to shoot that bow

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times during the season. So that part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, like I just get my bow set on

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm done shooting it because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>take the chance of something moving. And then the other

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<v Speaker 2>big advice is don't you leave your car and your

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<v Speaker 2>your bow in the car this time of.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, oh yeah, because that'll make your strings stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well a lot of times it destroys the limb.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Limb failures. A lot of limb failures are all due

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<v Speaker 2>to excessive heat to a car. So the strings, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a big deal. They could stretch. You can

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<v Speaker 2>usually kind of twist that back up, but it just

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<v Speaker 2>melts the laments and the glues and the resins in

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<v Speaker 2>a limb, and in a way they go, yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A pretty and opportunity. Time to have a limb failure

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<v Speaker 1>is right when you're trying to go hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the always the challenge. You know, when I

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<v Speaker 2>lived in Oregon and I would go out to Idaho

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<v Speaker 2>or Montana, you know, travel for for haunts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like how do I bring a backup bow? And for

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<v Speaker 2>me it was like what do I do with my

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<v Speaker 2>backup bow?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I can't? Yeah, and then then what it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really going to be a backup bow if I needed

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<v Speaker 2>it so anymore, I you know, I never did, but

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<v Speaker 2>I hunted with a hunt partner that we were pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much identical in what little bit we would change. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was, hey, if it was my bow that broke

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<v Speaker 2>or something happened, you know, he would be number one

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<v Speaker 2>shooter all the way up until he was successful, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we would make any kind of adjustments that we needed,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I would hunt with that bow. Right. But

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<v Speaker 2>now everybody gets out That's why I don't hunt with

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Phelps because trawling's a little too long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's even too long for me. He's he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's a long draw guy. He's got these big monkey

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<v Speaker 1>monkey like arms. Yeah, spider monkey if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>And he walks too fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that too, that too, and he and you would

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<v Speaker 1>think he like, when you go hunt with him, this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a tangent. But he think he'd like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, Rabbi steaks and if we're gonna eat good

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<v Speaker 1>when we go hunting. Now he's like he gets baloney,

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<v Speaker 1>and like spam makes blooney sandwiches. And last, last, last,

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<v Speaker 1>last fall, we were in Kansas and he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go pick up some stuff at the store for breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, great, I can't wait. He'll be great.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get home and he's and he beat us

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<v Speaker 1>to the beat us uh beat us in and and

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<v Speaker 1>he had breakfast coach and I'm like, what's what's that?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, oh, that's fried spam. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have any bacon or sausage. He's like, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't. Like okay, so we ate that. We were

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<v Speaker 1>ate that bright fried spam and we were glad to

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<v Speaker 1>get it.

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<v Speaker 2>We were hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you know, you always think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be some kind of gourmet meal with that guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not always you know, always that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you think causes that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I do what causes the blooney sandwich? He bought

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<v Speaker 1>a packet of Righty pack, one of those great big

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are about sixteen inches long, with all these

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<v Speaker 1>different cold cuts sliced up and you have your ham,

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<v Speaker 1>and you got your turkey, and you got your your

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<v Speaker 1>this and that salamie. You know, all turkey, turkey, turkey, salami, turkey, this,

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<v Speaker 1>turkey that, and then what was left was the turkey boloney.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he already him and everybody else already got their sandwich,

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<v Speaker 1>and they left the turkey blooney. To me, that was

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<v Speaker 1>real nice of him. You know, a real true leader

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<v Speaker 1>would probably you know, means that he's the leader in all.

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<v Speaker 1>A true leader would eat last, or say hey, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a guest, really, yeah, right exactly, and be like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anybody is got their eye on

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<v Speaker 1>that balooney, and if not, I'm gonna go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>eat that. That way, you guys get the good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I would do if I were in a

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<v Speaker 1>leadership leadership position.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do like bolooney as far as hunting, because

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<v Speaker 2>like it's simple, Like I'll just literally put baloney in

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of cheese on a piece of bread and

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<v Speaker 2>that that's like no mayo, no mustard, no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Just are you a mayo guy? Or are you a

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<v Speaker 1>miracle whip guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Neither, But if you at all neither. You like your

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<v Speaker 1>sandwich dry dry? That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>No ketchup?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you choke it down?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like, like, can't ketchup on your hamburger?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, meat cheese, but bam, Yeah I knew it. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to work with a guy like that, neat cheese

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<v Speaker 1>bum bum on his burgers. He liked hamburger cheese. You

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<v Speaker 1>like cheeseburgers. He liked chicken nuggets, and he liked pepperoni pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me. You get you pepperoni, black olliars, m boneless

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<v Speaker 2>chicken wings or chicken strips.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's basically a chicken nugget.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is they're good. And yeah, you eat like

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<v Speaker 2>the well done cheeseburger plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's awesome. So yeah, I agree. Like banging,

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<v Speaker 1>like striking your bow on the side of the limb

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<v Speaker 1>or something in your hand and trying to get it

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<v Speaker 1>to vibrate and make.

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<v Speaker 2>Like something loose.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll hear you'll hear it, you'll feel it, or even

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<v Speaker 1>if you shoot it a little bit, you're like, something

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<v Speaker 1>ain't right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then the trick on that is if

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<v Speaker 2>you hear it and you're now you're going to look

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<v Speaker 2>at where's it coming from? So now how you grab

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<v Speaker 2>the bow before beating or pounding on the side of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So grab grab the sight and hit the hit the riser.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it still do it? Okay, Well that's not it

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the site? Grab the limb pocket area. Does

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<v Speaker 2>it go there? Grab grab a hold of the cam

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<v Speaker 2>and hit it. So you can you can start finding

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<v Speaker 2>where that vibrations coming from from elimination. But a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times, a lot of times it's coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Usually the most common is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>site and the cam mods will come loose.

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<v Speaker 1>One time, opening morning Archery Elkin, Oregon. I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>Orgon at the time and drove, like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>two hours from my house up in the mountains. I

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<v Speaker 1>got up there, stayed the night, got up the next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, it's pretty bumpy road going up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I don't know, I better shoot

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<v Speaker 1>my bow before I leave camp here. I'm gonna shoot

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<v Speaker 1>at one time and just verify and pull my bow

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<v Speaker 1>back and I shoot and I barely hit the target. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when this happened because I'd been shooting

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<v Speaker 1>it quite a bit all summer.

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<v Speaker 2>But.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what the heck, I barely hit the target.

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<v Speaker 1>So I start looking, you know, I'm like looking at

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<v Speaker 1>my string and my rest and my side pins. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an obvious place to kind of look and see if

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<v Speaker 1>there's something off. Everything looked kind of right there, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm looking at limbs, I'm looking at cams, and

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<v Speaker 1>then finally in my top cam. This was a single

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<v Speaker 1>cambo and the top the top wheel was cocked over

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<v Speaker 1>like the bearings had gone out in that wheel at

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<v Speaker 1>some point when I hadn't noticed between the last time

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<v Speaker 1>I shot a week or two ago and then to

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<v Speaker 1>where I got out there. So at that point I

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<v Speaker 1>was dead in the water. And this was like Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Day weekend, and now I'm trying to scramble. And I

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<v Speaker 1>lived in a pearl, pretty rural town, you know, so Enterprise, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the middle of nowhere, and there's no archery pro

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<v Speaker 1>shops there. The closest ones were in La Grand, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>They were all closed for the big weekend. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like I got this other big elkhunt out of state.

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<v Speaker 1>Elk hunt back in Idaho in like eight days and

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get a bow and get it set

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<v Speaker 1>up and dialed. So I ended up having to order

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<v Speaker 1>one online because nobody'd pick up a phone and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, I got.

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<v Speaker 2>To do something.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ordered something online and put my rest on

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<v Speaker 1>it and got it all set up myself. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like those fluke things you can be, really can

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<v Speaker 1>can be, can really come out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>At Yeah, as far as like one thing, like on

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<v Speaker 2>your accessories and a lot of the I think the

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<v Speaker 2>accessories nowadays there it's a lot more common. But but

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<v Speaker 2>having micro adjusting arrow rest and micro adjusting sites on

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<v Speaker 2>your what we call gain adjustments to remember like the

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<v Speaker 2>like a site like a black Gold you had a

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<v Speaker 2>dovetail mount that you would loosen and you would slide

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<v Speaker 2>your whole site housing up and down in that. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they started coming out with a micro adjustment. So

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<v Speaker 2>now I can loosen the nut and then I can

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<v Speaker 2>dial that housing up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>Click click click.

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<v Speaker 2>And the biggest wasn't so much the fine tuning of

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<v Speaker 2>that that I liked is that if that comes loose,

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<v Speaker 2>it vibrates noise, It doesn't slide down, It can't move

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 2>until that dial keeps gear driving that so if it

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<v Speaker 2>comes loose, it's a quick easy, Oh that's loose. I

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 2>can hear it vibrate and I can tighten it and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing's moved. It's the same thing with your arrest if

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 2>that comes loose, instead of it vibrating and starting to

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<v Speaker 2>slowly drop down lower and lower. Next thing, you know,

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 2>you're missing the target because you're shooting them in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>If that comes loose, it may sag down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not moving from its original spot. So then

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<v Speaker 2>when you go to tighten it, everything should be back

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<v Speaker 2>to where it was. So maybe something to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>think about when you are picking out some of your

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<v Speaker 2>accessories to see whether or not it has a microadjusting

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<v Speaker 2>gain adjustments on those to help if those were to

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<v Speaker 2>come loose, that they're not going to move off of

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<v Speaker 2>those spots.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, shooting your bow from time to time or regular

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<v Speaker 1>regular regularly, yeah, that's often often. Often you may like

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<v Speaker 1>there may be some subtle changes that happen in your

0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:25.919
<v Speaker 1>bow's performance. You may not pick up until maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a different bow of the same kind and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wow, man, like for the timing your cams for instance,

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, you kind of get in your

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm of shooting that thing and that that will kind

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<v Speaker 1>of creep up on you. So checking the timing on

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>your cams, you know, especially with broadheads going to field,

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 1>that that's probably gonna make your your broadheads fly weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and that's where, uh, you can take

0:23:55.119 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 2>a paint pan again and mark your cams or they

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>line up like across the limb, so you've got a

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>good reference mark. But that is, like you say, the timing,

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>and even most cams have those marks and those are

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 2>sink marks, they're not timing marks. And so a lot

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>of people are like, oh, it's it's out of time

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>because these aren't perfect, and it's like, that's not that's

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 2>just the orientation of where that cam needs to start,

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:29.719
<v Speaker 2>and that will dictate your poundage of your limb and

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 2>your drawlings. So if your cables stretched, then your poundage

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>is going to go down. If your bow string stretches,

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 2>your poundage is going to go up. So a lot

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of times guys are like, oh man, my string stretch,

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I lost some poundage. It's hitting sixty eight pounds. Well,

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.480
<v Speaker 2>it's your cables. That's stretch, not your bow string. So

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<v Speaker 2>if and that's where that that kind of comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>You can sometimes see that, but it's very subtle. I mean,

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>you on those sync marks. All your timing is always

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>need to be done in a drawboard at full draw

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 2>on getting your posts to hit the cable or the limb,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on what cam you have at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>At full draw. Everything else is just a starting point

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 2>of the cam. But it's a good reference for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by doing the paint pins or anything like that. If

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<v Speaker 2>things things are starting to go, it gives you, like

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<v Speaker 2>I say, it's just a quick visual of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something to look at. Now if you notice that, man,

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a holy crowd. You know, this thing's not even

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>remotely close. Nine times out of ten that string is breaking.

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.159
<v Speaker 2>If it's moved enough to where you're like really noticing it,

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 2>there's probably strands broken underneath your serving and and it's

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.239
<v Speaker 2>a good telltale sign that you better not shoot that again. Uh,

0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 2>take it to a shop. Have somebody really look at

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 2>those strings cables. But a lot of times things can

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>break underneath servings and we just don't know it until

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 2>it's too late. But it will kind of get stretched

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 2>out a little bit and start moving the orientation of

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 2>a cam tiny and if it's if it's you know,

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a typical bow, you you'll start to feel. If it's

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 2>just one cable, you'll definitely start to feel it kind

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of get a bumpity bump on the back end when

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>it hits the stops.

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's really good. I ever even thought of that.

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I don't know if the mice

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>can pick this up. But but your dog is that

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>an English English bulldog?

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>We've got an English and a French now and I

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know which one. I don't know which one's the

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>snort today, they're both. They were playing all all morning,

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>so they're they're tuckered out.

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>So another thing that some people may or may not

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>even be aware of is like their third axes on

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>their boat. So if you're shooting it on a flat,

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>flat backyard or flat range, you don't really notice that

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of a third access too much. But when you

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>start shooting steep uphill, steep downhill, that's going to make

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>your hero drift left or right. So what can people

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>do to kind of kind of do a quick check

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>at home to see if their third access is out

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 1>because some of us just don't live where it's easy

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to make a steep shot, or yeah, we don't want

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to climb up on the roof.

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to say that the part, Yeah

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you can get up on the roof, but I'm not

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 2>going to tell you to do that. That's true.

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I've done it, trying to trying to like.

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Because then in all it's like while you're up there,

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 2>clean the gutters. So yeah, you know, trying to get

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 2>out to a range or or yeah, it's kind of

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>difficult if you if you're from flat, flat ground where

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't have any hills, But yeah, the best way

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>is to always if you can get out and shoot

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>it in, you know, and it will it will be

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's either going to shoot to the left

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>on downhill and to the right uphill. It's if it's

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 2>shooting both, then it's probably not a third axis deal.

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>So they will run opposite when that third axis is

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 2>is off. But the other the one thing with third

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 2>axis that I feel like people think that just because

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>they supposedly got their third access set that they won't

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 2>miss things left and right on uphill and downhill and

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the The key to that is is that level is

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a is a is it's a reference mark or it's

0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>a guide for you. And the good archers will read

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the terrain. Target archers will read terrain like a golfer

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>will read a green on the lay of the land,

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the grass, the slope, the moisture in the grass, all

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.719
<v Speaker 2>these different things of what it's going to cause that

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>ball to do. And so a really good target archer

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>will also read the terrain. The lighting. Lighting coming into

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>your people will make you shoot left and right. And

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>then just because it's downhill and on the side hill

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that you can still just shoot that straight

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>up level. So you can still have a downhill, a

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>slight side hill downhill. And then also introduce some wind

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>drift into that too. So there's two things you can do.

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>You can start aiming off or you can take your

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>top cam push it into the into the wind, or

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>push it into the hill. And this is one thing

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that I do recommend people to practice and understand how

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 2>much does that move my arrow at distances say forty

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>or fifty yards and take your bow, shoot it straight

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>up level boom, I'm shoot in the middle of the

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of the dot. Now I'm going to go a whole

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>half a bubble over so you'll can't the bull can't

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the bow and see where it impacts. How much is

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 2>it two inches? Is it three inches? And that way

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>a good like I say, a good archer can can

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>look at the terrain and say, man, this arrow is

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.479
<v Speaker 2>going to naturally want to go even further downhill, and

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to give it some bubble. I'm going

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>to not just shoot it straight up because it's still

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 2>going to go down there. So just because your third

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>ACXISS is set, doesn't mean you shoot every shot with

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>a level.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Man, I'm really sad you told me all this because

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>now I'm gonna have to rethink everything. So I guess

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>some work to do well.

0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>And the thing typically, if you had a hill coming

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>from your your right to to your left, you know,

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>say a downhill and it's a side hill, if you

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>push that camp into the top of that into the

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>into the top hill, even if you didn't need to,

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 2>it's probably not going to go uphill much, maybe a

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>half an inch or something. But now if you let

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>that bow sag a little bit to the downhill side,

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that air is probably gonna miss by two or three

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>inches now, because it's naturally wanting to go that direction.

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>So once that bow fire is is going to go.

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you're in doubt, just give it a little

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>bit to that that hill. And that's the beautiful thing

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 2>with target archery as far as versus three D is

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>that you can really learn a lot more because you

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>have to shoot multiple shots. And so when you come

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>up to a target and you can glass and look

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>at majority of arrow holes and say, well, this target,

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of arrow holes are on the left edge

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 2>of the dot and there's a reason. And now you're

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:09.959
<v Speaker 2>going to figure out what that reason is. Is it

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the lighting or is it the terrain the side hill?

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>And so when you shoot that first one straight up

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 2>and it goes out to the left with everybody else's

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>arrow holes, you go, I got to I'm give this

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 2>thing a little bubble and push into it and see

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>where that arrow goes. So you can start really learning.

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>So when it doesn't you don't have to overthink. Those

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>shots will be just you'll just when you do it enough,

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>you just see the terrain and say, yeah, this is

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 2>this is my shot set up on this I'm going

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 2>to push into this hill or push into the wind. Yeah,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 2>you'll get that good instinct because if you've got a

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 2>left right wind too, you know, so I can, like

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I say, I can either aim off or I can bubble.

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't like aiming off.

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I aim for a reason. I like looking at what

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to hit, and so I'd rather give my

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>my bow a little bit of bubble.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So can't your top wheel into.

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 2>The wind, into the wind, into the hill?

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never heard that before. That's great. And see

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm learning all sorts of stuff here.

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>This is this is great and like I say, these

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>are things that you want to go home and play,

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>play with and practice so you can and not blame,

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. And there's just going to be some targets.

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's right. Like guys will go, oh man, yeah,

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I was missing some stuff left and right and my

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>third access is off. Maybe it could be a combination

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>of both that you just need to give it more,

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>even though you know there's some wind and it's going

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>to push the arrow and there's a lot more sight

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>hill than you thought, or the lighting coming in from

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>left to right and change the image of a bit

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>on the peep That's why the lot of the peach

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>are getting in a lot better too, with the baffles

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>in them. Like the Hamski pet that you've got that

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>really helps with some of that that lighting issues that

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>cause some left and right issues.

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like a sunshade rifle scope. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this information would have been valuable the other days at

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the range and the wind was blowing hardness and I

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>was shooting uphill and whatever else and and and some

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>steep angles, and I was like, man, I don't know

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>if this this uh this third axis is right or

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>if it's the wind or it could have been the lighting.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a lot to it. You know. Let's

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>say you cited Okay, I have a question. So if

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you sit in your bow at an indoor range and

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 1>then you go out on the field in the field

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>wherever and lighting is obviously different, are you gonna see

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>any different arrow un pacts there is this?

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can definitely, it's the same thing. Like you

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>know where I shoot here, mine's front to back my son,

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 2>so I don't really see a lot of that. I'll

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 2>get wind drift, you know, A certain times I got

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>more wind than others. So for me getting my my

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>windy set sometimes is a chore because I'm like, am

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I really tightening in for the wind or is it

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 2>really calm enough that I'm not getting any wind drift?

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 2>But so if you you could have a range that

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 2>your sun sets and rises are on your left and right,

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and say you you've always shot your bow first thing

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>in the morning, and you've got your windage set, and

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 2>then you go out and I'm like, ah, davenan, I'm

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna go ahead and shoot samarrows tonight, and all of

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 2>a sudden you're shooting off the other side. And that

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>can just definitely be from the now the sun's coming

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>through your peep on a different angle than it was

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>in the mornings that you've always sighted in.

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>That makes a lot of sense because I've seen little

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>weird things like that, and then shoot it the next

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>day at a different time and say, I'm glad I

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't move my sight because now I'm back on So yeah, man,

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you're really messing with my head. More rabbit holes to

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>go down right well, And I think it just kind

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>of goes to show too.

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Is like.

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Practicing in weird places compared to your backyard is so

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>important for hunting. Situations because people, you know, I could

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>shoot eighty yards or one hundred yards is like a champ.

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But you get into a different lighting scenario, you get

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>into a different hillside, All these different things come to

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>a different play and if you're shooting longer, longer range,

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff amplifies, Right. So, man, just knowing those

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 1>things and knowing how close to keep your shots is

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>probably going to be different in the field versus in

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>your backyard or your local range.

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm nervous, but yet still excited. I guess for

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>my tag for Montana Elk because I haven't shot an

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>elk over forty yards in years. Yeah, and I have

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>no desire to. But yet I'm not sure what the

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>terrain is going to be in store for me over there.

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>And I really just hope I don't have to have

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to make a decision on any of that, because I

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>just there's just so much stuff to go wrong, and

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like I'm a good archer, but there's

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>just still so many variables that come into play, and

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't everything gets magnified with the broad head, right.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 2>So the slightest mistake in my form, the slightest mistake

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>in my anything of that shot process gets magnified by

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 2>that broadhead and then you take the animal movement on

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>top of it, and yeah, it's just it's a tough situation.

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Nobody plans on shooting bad. But you know, I alsually

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 2>try to reinforce myself of if the voice inside my

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>head is in any doubt, I'm not going to do it.

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's a good that's a good method to do.

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like inside your head it's like, oh man,

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I hope I don't miss this shot. Or if it's

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>like you don't even hear that, everything's just good, feels good.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.919
<v Speaker 1>You just have to think about it. You release a

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 1>really good arrow, felt good. Those are usually the times

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that you know it's it's gonna be a great shot. Yeah,

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>what about d loops? Learn how to learn how to

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>tie a D loop? I know earlier when you were

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 1>tying in my D loop and you're kind of giving

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 1>me some lowdown about these little soft knots or whatever

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>you call them. I'm not sure you call them, but

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.720
<v Speaker 1>they're like once you once you get your your knock

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>on the string and you're setting everything and and you

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.080
<v Speaker 1>put these little placeholder knots before you put on it.

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of shops will always pretty much

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>always shoot at least a bottom tie in knot, and

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna do one, at least do that. And

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>in the video of the setup on yours, probably a

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>lot going to be a lot easier for the people

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 2>to understand what we're talking about here. But it changes

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 2>the pressure on the arrow at full draw on when

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you put knocks below the knock of the arrow and

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>spread that gap. But it gives you a reference mark,

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>especially as a hunter, of knowing like, hey man, my

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 2>D loop's bad, I've got material, I know how to

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>tie a D loop. I'm not worried about replacing this

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>in the field or even taking it to a shop

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>and having them do it. Those tied in knots stay there,

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 2>so when you cut that D loop off, you're not

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 2>redoing the tune of the bow. You're just going to

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and tie on a new D loop and

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.359
<v Speaker 2>everything should be good to go there. Sometimes there can

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>be slight slight slight chain you change one thing, it

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>seems like it changes everything, but typically on that it's

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a minute, and usually it's going

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>to be just a little gain adjustment on the site,

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>whether not be a left to right or an up

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and down, but it would be a minute movement to it.

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 1>So how much frame on a D loop would you

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>say you should probably change that out?

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, first off, if you're getting fraying on a D

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>loop in less than a year, honestly, you've probably got

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 2>a burr or a pinch point in your release. There's

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 2>guys that are like, man, I just put this on

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 2>two weeks ago, there's definitely something wrong with your release.

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're seeing fuzzing where there's something going

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 2>on and it may not just it may not be

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 2>anything you can fix. It can just be honestly a

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 2>bad design in a release. We see a little bit

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 2>more of it with Caliber releases because you do have

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a pinch point with a style that has a hook.

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot easier on D loops. But if you

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 2>ever see white cord stop stop like twenty shots ago. Yeah,

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 2>so yeah that so the lining of the Yeah that

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that so when you when you cut D loop material

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 2>and you fuzz it out, you'll see that white cord

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:32.720
<v Speaker 2>in there.

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:34.399
<v Speaker 1>It's like the core.

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Basically, if you see that stop, immediately replace it. Yes,

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>don't try to show like, well I got one more,

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I got one more.

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:45.879
<v Speaker 1>I can kill an elk with this. Yeah.

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 2>No, Now, now if it was if I didn't have

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.959
<v Speaker 2>any material and I wasn't you know, and there again,

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>this is like I said, going back to like I

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>don't shoot my bow because more and more things can

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 2>go wrong. But if I was out in the wilderness

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and I the bow shop was five hours away and

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have delap material, you're you're at the mercy.

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 2>You're you're going to have to trust it. But it's

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>usually a no go. You're probably gonna punch yourself in

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:25.359
<v Speaker 2>the face. So yeah, so yeah, you shouldn't see. I mean,

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 2>a d loop should last as long as the stream

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>will last, and it can last for years. Yeah, if

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 2>you've got a good release on there, so yeah, and

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's cheap, it's easy. So if you are

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>getting some stuff and replace it, don't take the chance.

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's good. Good. And so do you have

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>two releases when you go hunting? You have?

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Usually I do one in your pack and one Yeah.

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>I usually will have. And that's one thing too, is

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, in less you're shooting in the exact same release.

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Double check those releases. If you have a caliber release

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 2>and a handheld release, your anchor points and your stuff

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>will slightly be off. But as long as you center

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 2>your peep in your housing, you're you're going to be

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 2>fine as far as a lot of your elevation stuff.

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 2>But if you have a caliber that swings from left

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 2>to right, the other one swings right to left, your

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 2>impact left and rights will be different. So you want

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>to double check if you're shooting a different style or

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>a different release. So there's a lot of guys that

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 2>buy a like a cheaper handheld or buy a handheld

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 2>release and then say, man, I really this new one

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 2>came out and they go buy a new one and

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>they have that one as a backup. Make sure you

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>shoot both of those because they can shoot differently on impact.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I notice I have the same release, I use a

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:59.360
<v Speaker 1>wrist trap release or whatever. But then they're the same kind,

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>but one has a different wrist trap than the other one,

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>and one doesn't have quite the same amount of adjustment

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>front of you know, to lengthen it or shorten it,

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So definitely it's a different feel. So you're going from

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>one to the other. So that's something to be cognizant

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>of too. It's just like, man, this is.

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 2>But having something slightly off is better than not having

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>anything right. So, you know, and I shoot typically, I

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 2>shoot a handheld. I mean a lot of people are

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>going this direction, and I don't tether it because I

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 2>definitely don't want that thing stuck to my hand. So

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the chances of me losing that release is high, I

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 2>guess significant. So you know, the one thing that I

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 2>would recommend people do not clip your handheld release on

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 2>your string and walk around with it.

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Look,

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I've seen people do that somebody we know, and I'm thinking,

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's probably the best thing to do.

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, whatever, I mean, if you're moving like oh,

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to move from this tree to that tree

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 2>type of saying, yeah, it's not a big deal. But

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 2>I literally watched people walking around yards, you know, with

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 2>that thing on there, and yeah, don't just don't get

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 2>into that habit. Yeah, you're really asking to lose a release.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, in nineteen ninety four, I made this epic hunt

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>where it was a boat hunt. So I had a

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>boat and We took the boat forty seven miles up

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.839
<v Speaker 1>this reservoir to where it turned from reservoir lake you know,

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>slack water into a river, and we got all the

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:51.399
<v Speaker 1>way up there and it's like, oh, cool, I don't

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.359
<v Speaker 1>have my release. Of course, my hunting partner has his,

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So guess who the first shooter is going to be,

0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.320
<v Speaker 1>and maybe the until he maybe he screw up or

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 1>kills an out, then I'm kind of at the mercy

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of not having a release, you know, until then. So

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, that's a pretty pretty good time to have

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>that extra release.

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the thing that is is that's when you

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>would want to shoot your bow. If say, say you

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 2>lost your handheld in you did have a wrist rocket

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:23.799
<v Speaker 2>in the back or at the truck, then definitely you

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 2>know it's going to be typically a windage adjustment, So

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 2>shoot it. Yeah, we're two inches to the right, make

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 2>that adjustment, get it dialed back in, and you're you're

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna be good to go. But at least you're you're

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 2>back up and hunting. And so that's about the only

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 2>time on a big failure would I be out really

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:45.880
<v Speaker 2>shooting my bowt checking anything.

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now I've talked about this before on I don't

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>know if it's this podcast or another, but I had

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy I got to know a few years ago

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and he drew a moose tag in here in Idaho

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and he he's like, I'm gonna shoot it with a bow.

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, cool, Yeah, have you killed anything with

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 1>your boat? I've never killed anything with my boat, but

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>I think it'd be like the ultimate to shoot this

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 1>moose with a bow. And so once in a lifetime

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 1>tag if you harvest. If you don't harvest, then you

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 1>can go back into the drawing. But I've been applying

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>for moose for decades and not drawing one. So you know,

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 1>luck smiles on some people, not so not so much

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:31.360
<v Speaker 1>for me. But anyway, I'm like, you really want to,

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you're gonna have your rifle for a backup. Oh no, no,

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna shoot this with my bow. I'm like, okay,

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 1>right on, cool man. Well, I didn't see him until

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>after season was over and I said, hey, did you

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>get that moose? And he's like, oh, you'll never believe it.

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I've been watching this big moose, this big giant bull

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 1>moose leading up to opening day, and Opening Day comes

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and there he is. I go out throw with my

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:59.839
<v Speaker 1>bow and I get I get close and I get

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff to shoot, and I shoot and I miss and

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I should again I miss. And He's like, I shot

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>every arrow in my quiver at this moose and didn't

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>hit it. And he just stood there and finally it

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>just kind of walked off, because most they're not real

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 1>scared a lot of times. And I'm like, what the heck?

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, what what do you think could have happened?

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, like, had you sided your bowing with

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 1>broadheads obviously before season?

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean they they should. They should hit right

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:35.400
<v Speaker 1>where they they're both point field points hit. I'm like, well,

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that's not always the case. You know. Did you have

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:40.560
<v Speaker 1>your bow tuned before you went?

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Tone, No, I just you know, I've had this bow forever.

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>I just know it shoots. And so I'm like, what

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>what kind of arrows were you shooting? He's like, well,

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I had like three or four different kinds. I had

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 1>some that I'd bought, and then my uncle he gave

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>me some and and so he had like these mixed

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 1>quiver full of arrows. Probably none of them were the

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 1>same way or broadhead style or weight or nothing was

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>right about this setup. And I'm like, so are you

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to go out again and try to

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 1>like is your season gonna be any longer than it was?

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Or are you done? He's like, I'm done, Like, Wow,

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you just left all that happenstance toll like a once

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.879
<v Speaker 1>in a lifetime type of opportunity. I mean, he could

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>probably draw a tag again someday, maybe if he's lucky,

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>But people like.

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:29.479
<v Speaker 2>That usually get luck.

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:35.479
<v Speaker 1>They'll probably do the same thing, right. But I feel

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>like it's super important to make sure all your arrows

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>are the same by him out of the same batch,

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 1>set them up for your for your hunt. All the

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 1>same inserts, all the same knocks, all the same fletchings,

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:48.320
<v Speaker 1>all the same.

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's I think that's one thing too that

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I think most of us are guilty of just because

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.360
<v Speaker 2>of the way the broadheads are. You know, we we

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.120
<v Speaker 2>take for granted that we shot one or two broad

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>heads out of six broad heads and expect every one

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:08.320
<v Speaker 2>of those to be the same, And uh, it's not.

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I've seen some companies that, Yeah, there's just inconsistencies in

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the ferals enough to man you got to shoot every

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>one of them. It's one thing I like about either

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.800
<v Speaker 2>a research sharpable you know, cut on contact type of

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 2>head that you can re sharpen. You can definitely shoot

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>that head, touch it up and you're good, or something

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 2>with replacement bleedes. Yeah, and you know, even some of

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.839
<v Speaker 2>the mechanicals that come with practice. I mean, we're still

0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 2>just rolling dice in my opinion of hopefully these do

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 2>fly exactly like that.

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, you're taking a lot of putting a lot

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 1>of faith in their published information.

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. The I think that's the biggest, probably

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest things that we do. And it's

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 2>and I don't blame people because you kind of just

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 2>assume some of this stuff should be the same and

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 2>it's expensive to go through. But shoot every broadhead and

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 2>eliminate some of those flyers. But you know, we do

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.319
<v Speaker 2>it mainly with arrows. But like I say, everything gets

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>magnified by a broadhead.

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, I know in the past, shooting this one particular

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.040
<v Speaker 1>brand of broadhead, I would.

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.760
<v Speaker 2>You can say it Alan brought it Alan.

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they were slightly better, but they were sharp as

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll get out. But I would have to index and

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 1>spin test every single one, but I would have to

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 1>mix and match. I would take a dozen arrows, and

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I'd take nine broad heads, and I would mix and

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:55.120
<v Speaker 1>match heads two half out or insert basically, and then

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 1>put it in the arrow. Spin test it. And I

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 1>always like to line my my blades up with my fletchings.

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Whether that's hocus pocus or not, in my mind it

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 1>is for me, it is. Everybody else may say no,

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 1>but anyhow, spin test it and watch and see if

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>if the if it spins right, if it's like perfectly smooth,

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the tip is not going up and down wobbly or whatever.

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 1>But I would have to go through I don't know

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 1>how many different combinations, like, no, it didn't like that

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.280
<v Speaker 1>insert outs ort, whatever you want to call it, didn't

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like that one, but paired with this one it worked,

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Or that combination didn't work with that arrow, but it

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>did with this one. Yeah. And then some of the

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 1>blades would be rattily inside the farrel and some would

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 1>be tighter than I'll get out. So then I would

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>try to like, okay, I try to mix and match

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>until I got all tight, you know, And so I

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 1>might have one oddball that was a little bit loosey goosey,

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that would be like a practice one. But but by

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>doing that, like making sure all those fun perfectly, I

0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:07.120
<v Speaker 1>found that, man, they all shot way better than if

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I just screwed them things on and this would take

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.040
<v Speaker 1>like three hours. I would spend like three hours doing

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 1>this and it's such a pain in the butt. But

0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 1>those I had better consistent groups where you know, they

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 1>would shoot consistently better by taking the time and.

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Doing that, I think if you're old enough, we all

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>remember that the first arrow in the quiver was always

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.839
<v Speaker 2>the best one, and then the next one was really

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty good too, and then the next one was it

0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 2>was okay, And by the time you got to that

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 2>sixth arrow, we're back then when we used to carry

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:48.439
<v Speaker 2>eight arrows and the quipper. You know, those other ones

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.279
<v Speaker 2>were just a hope and a prayer, yeah, and be

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>a grouse arrow. So now you know, broad heads have

0:53:56.760 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 2>gotten more consistent, arrows have gotten more consistent, spine consistency

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 2>across the board of arrows have gotten more consistent. The

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 2>weight consistency, and I don't think weight's a huge factor,

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:13.480
<v Speaker 2>especially in an ar row itself. You know, when you

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 2>when you measure carbon, because you're realistically measuring dust across

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight or twenty nine inches. You know, one or

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>two grains is not a factor of why you're missing things.

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 2>But it's a feel good thing, and it's nice to

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 2>know that things are as precise as we can get them.

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's not the end all, and you're definitely gonna

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 2>probably find you're gonna find a lot more inconsistencies in

0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:46.839
<v Speaker 2>veins and field points in broadheads weights across them than

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 2>you probably are in arrows anymore. How much glue did

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 2>you put on, especially even on an insert. Did you

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 2>get a little bit on that one and a lot

0:54:57.719 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 2>on that one?

0:54:58.320 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 1>And so?

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:05.319
<v Speaker 2>But spine consistency, I think is the most the most

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:09.279
<v Speaker 2>important part on an arrow. Yeah, and that's not like

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 2>spine alignment as much as spine consistency being across the

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 2>board of your dozen arrows? Are they because there's always

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 2>there's always going to be variances in spine. Say a

0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:24.960
<v Speaker 2>three fifty could be a three forty or it could

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 2>be a three sixty, and they get labeled as a

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 2>three fifty. So if you have a consistency in a

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 2>batch of arrows, that all those arrows are say three

0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 2>forty five to three fifty. That type of tolerance is

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>between companies, and a lot of guys don't talk about

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>that as much as spine alignment, right, and then just

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:49.319
<v Speaker 2>having a good arrow that when you do, if you

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:53.320
<v Speaker 2>if you have access to it like a ram spine

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>tester where you can put put it on there and

0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.360
<v Speaker 2>watch the needle and slowly rotate a narrow and watch

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 2>where the highs and the lows are very minimal. And

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 2>there's some companies that definitely when you rotate it, there

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 2>is definitely a seam and it's in a tight a

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 2>tight spot like whoa man, she's really the spine is

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:17.840
<v Speaker 2>really super stiff right here, weak down here. But then

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 2>you throw in the other part of it, like you say, so, now,

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:24.120
<v Speaker 2>if you if you were to put a three forty

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 2>in a three sixty and you fletched them on the

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.760
<v Speaker 2>stiff side, those two arrows still might not shoot together

0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:34.239
<v Speaker 2>because of the three forty to three sixty of that

0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 2>spine of a three fifty earrow can be that far

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.840
<v Speaker 2>spread that they're still going to react differently to each other. Right, So,

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 2>even though you did spine a line it onto the

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>stiff side.

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So don't mix and match your arrows from two

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>from last year, you know, years ago.

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of arrows you know, are in batches,

0:56:54.520 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, consistent off of stuff like that. But to me,

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it depends on everybody's finances too, you know,

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's always good to you know, if you're going to,

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, year to year shoot the same arrow you know,

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.479
<v Speaker 2>get some new fresh arrows and and make those your

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 2>your important ones and beat up all your old ones,

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and practice and get site marks and stuff like that.

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 2>As far as your elevation and stuff, usually not going

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:26.200
<v Speaker 2>to be a big deal. But the group tightening, you know,

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.920
<v Speaker 2>shooting arrow after ara after row in the same spots.

0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show on some of that, but a

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 2>lot probably a little bit too much more to think about.

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess you can really go down some rabbit holes

0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 2>on this stuff. But bottom line is practice, shoot, be

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 2>you be consistent, because you know you're you're changing more

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 2>than any of the other stuff.

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Is Yeah, that's true, That's very true. Now, you and

0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I both watch a lot of YouTube videos hunting videos,

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know how many I watch, where when

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the archer draws back on the elk and you hear

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.800
<v Speaker 1>a noise from the arrow sliding on the rest, like

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe this little squeak or just a slide like it's

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a loud slide or whatever, and bam, the bull perks

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 1>up and stops it picks that up. Man, that's something

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you got to figure out before hunting season gets here.

0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 1>So depending on your rest and how it works, like

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:37.360
<v Speaker 1>some some of the old rest I used to have

0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:39.720
<v Speaker 1>back in the old day had maybe they were covered

0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 1>with like a rubber.

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Dip or like a shoulder wrap or hunters. Yeah, and

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:48.080
<v Speaker 2>then you'd shoot, and you shoot so much then it

0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 2>would wear a hole in it and then you'd start

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 2>hearing the I got mine. Mine this year is probably

0:58:56.480 --> 0:59:02.280
<v Speaker 2>super quiet on the rest. I was definitely getting a

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 2>lot up and I was able to find some really

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:11.160
<v Speaker 2>thin felt and just put a very little bit on

0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:14.560
<v Speaker 2>there and that the only thing you hear is the

0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 2>is the stops hitting the cable. Yeah, And at that

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 2>time I'm loaded and it's it's it's good time. Yeah.

0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's not getting there right, So it's super

0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm really happy with my setup on on how how

0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 2>everything's working together on that bow.

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna have to definitely take a look at

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 1>mine to make sure it's good to go, because before

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I go afield, because yeah, that's something you don't want

0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>to find out that you kind of overlooked, you know,

0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>in your groove of practice in all summer and you

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of forget about that stuff until you're out in

0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the woods it's opening day and or whatever, maybe it's

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the last day of it.

0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:55.080
<v Speaker 2>The definitely the one thing with elk hunting, there's definitely

0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>times where you know, some of that stuff just doesn't

0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:03.040
<v Speaker 2>even matter because it's chaotic. You know, the winds are blowing,

1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the leaves are rustling.

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 1>The bolts are making noise.

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's limbs popping elk or screaming, cows are chirping,

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:13.959
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, but you get up in a tree

1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>for white tail.

1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Or a water hole for anaaloge, you got snow on.

1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The ground, everything's just superie.

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, there's not a not a noise.

1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 2>At all, just you moving your arm to hook onto

1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.160
<v Speaker 2>the release, you know, onto the strings. What was that?

1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>But sometimes we can get by with a little bit

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.720
<v Speaker 2>more on elk honting something crazy like white tail hunting.

1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You brought up then how they were reacted to different sounds.

1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:45.840
<v Speaker 1>So in Kansas last fall, sitting in a blind, I

1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:49.400
<v Speaker 1>moved inside the mind there's a there's a deer in

1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.480
<v Speaker 1>front of us, and I moved and I hit the

1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:54.520
<v Speaker 1>side of the blind that there's a metal blind, and

1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 1>it made a clank noise. The deer name looked their way,

1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:03.520
<v Speaker 1>but I moved my arms, you know, fabric on fabric moving,

1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and that deer just stops and just looks into that blind,

1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.760
<v Speaker 1>like what is that? So it was weird that clink

1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:15.000
<v Speaker 1>did not get a reaction at all, but the sound

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of clothing revenut clothing, and I thought that was odd.

1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:21.680
<v Speaker 1>So then it went back to being not being paying attention.

1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I might I'm gonna test this out and see if

1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I just got lucky. And I think what i'd set

1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd set my grunt call in the side of the

1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:30.520
<v Speaker 1>blind or something and made a noise earlier. So I

1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:34.040
<v Speaker 1>tinked it again and no reaction. So now I'm not

1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.480
<v Speaker 1>saying that's the case every time with white tails, because

1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:39.560
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows sometimes anything will make them turn inside out.

1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:41.400
<v Speaker 1>But I thought that was odd, But it is.

1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, you know, you hear you know, egg

1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:50.120
<v Speaker 2>corns or whatever hitting the leaves like you know, they

1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and they don't, but all of a sudden, there's just

1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:56.600
<v Speaker 2>something you look, what what was that? And so they do.

1:01:56.800 --> 1:02:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I think they definitely have anunderstanding of what should be

1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:04.440
<v Speaker 2>naturally sounds and unnatural sounds.

1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:07.520
<v Speaker 1>They say, if you have to walk through hardwood forests

1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:11.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're like trying to sneak, you know, for deer,

1:02:11.800 --> 1:02:14.680
<v Speaker 1>then you should not like walk at a normal human

1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:18.040
<v Speaker 1>cadence pace of step footsteps. Yeah, that you should like

1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:21.040
<v Speaker 1>take a step, maybe shuffle your feet and then stop

1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe move along again.

1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:25.440
<v Speaker 2>And I do that when I'm elk hunting, you know,

1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:26.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people are like, oh man,

1:02:26.920 --> 1:02:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I just suck them. I'm just I'm not very quiet,

1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:33.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like I'm never quiet, Yeah, because I think

1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:39.400
<v Speaker 2>they sense the predator, the sneakiness, like you know, versus

1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:41.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how many times have you been walking back

1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:45.120
<v Speaker 2>to camp and just just beating it all said, Oh

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.040
<v Speaker 2>you look up and there's elk twenty yards in front. Yeah,

1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:50.240
<v Speaker 2>they hate they urge you count and they're like, oh,

1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:53.880
<v Speaker 2>here comes some milk us who is it? Oh that's

1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:54.480
<v Speaker 2>not jimmy.

1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when there's a couple of people because you

1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:02.400
<v Speaker 1>have that different like footstep sound and sound like yeah,

1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:04.720
<v Speaker 1>because they're not quiet, No, they're not quiet.

1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:06.800
<v Speaker 2>What is quiet? Predators?

1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:11.840
<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like you're going antaloe punting leaving here

1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:14.600
<v Speaker 1>in an hour? Yeah? Probably less.

1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hopefully ten fifteen minutes.

1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:19.520
<v Speaker 1>We wrap this thing up, you can go an aloe

1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:22.080
<v Speaker 1>punting where you ground blinded? Are you?

1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Got some some blinds out on some water, which

1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.360
<v Speaker 2>we got some thunderstorms and water coming already from the sky,

1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:31.560
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know how good that's going to be.

1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:34.400
<v Speaker 2>H If that's a bust, then we'll go out to

1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:37.840
<v Speaker 2>the spot in stalk. But I've got some blinds on

1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:41.400
<v Speaker 2>some area that really the only way to haunt it.

1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:44.520
<v Speaker 2>There's just no cover. So there's a lot of goats

1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:47.640
<v Speaker 2>out there, so hopefully we'll get them to come into

1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:50.560
<v Speaker 2>some water. If not, then we'll drive around and try

1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:54.080
<v Speaker 2>to find some some land that gives us some opportunities

1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:57.880
<v Speaker 2>or some taller sagebrush to crawl around in.

1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Therettle snakes there, I don't think. So what about where

1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:06.680
<v Speaker 1>you're elk hunting this fall?

1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Are you a snake guy? Are you scared of snakes,

1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:13.080
<v Speaker 1>but I don't see a whole lot of them.

1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:20.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Kevin, he lives in Dylan and h he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of rattlers.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, we we both run, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of his runs. He can't do all the trail

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<v Speaker 2>runs that he likes to do during the summer because wow,

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<v Speaker 2>the snake's wrote. He doesn't like them. And I'm telling him,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, you should get like some big

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<v Speaker 2>old you know, boots and chaps on and see what

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<v Speaker 2>you can get away with. Yeah, because I hear it's

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<v Speaker 2>only like one percent that willever strike and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>another like one percent or three percent that would actually

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<v Speaker 2>get in and get venom in you like, It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty rare, supposedly, huh. But I'd like him to

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<v Speaker 2>try it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it'd be a good test. I'd like to seize results.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I I I probably could care less about snakes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would rather have snakes than say like scorpions

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<v Speaker 2>or spiders. Oh really, yeah, because I know they'll crawl

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<v Speaker 2>on me at night. Oh yeah, I can get it

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<v Speaker 2>in my ears or something. I don't really mind any

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<v Speaker 2>of those snakes or scorpions or spiders. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't like are beetles really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or centipedes. Beetles and centipedes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like centipedes.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want a beetle on mean or near me,

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<v Speaker 1>but they give me the will.

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<v Speaker 2>When you like when you watch Survivor and they eat

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<v Speaker 2>the bugs. Does that buggery?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't make me like get breathe heavyer my

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<v Speaker 1>heart bound, but it makes me kind of like gross,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, anybody does, yeh. Plsu're from one of those

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<v Speaker 1>countries where beat ale eating or buggety.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the squirting, you know, the crunch sound then

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<v Speaker 2>the squirting of stuff coming out doesn't do it for me,

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<v Speaker 2>but extra but yeah, but yeah, so I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>on the snake thing. But yeah, I would choose not

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<v Speaker 2>to see him if I didn't have to. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not not gonna be terrible, I guess, at least I

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<v Speaker 2>say that now. Kevin sent me some pretty big pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of our good pictures of some big snakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just out shooting his bow the other day

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<v Speaker 2>and he went for a run and he comes back

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<v Speaker 2>and you could see where a snake went across the

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<v Speaker 2>road and He's like, oh, sneaking snake just crossed the

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<v Speaker 2>road and he started shooting his bow and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>then come to realize that snake has been sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>coiled up right behind his shooting steak the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy cow.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, okay, I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hadn't rattled. Really, that's a scary part, the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that don't rattle. We were out at the archery range,

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<v Speaker 1>my son Austin and I and he's like, oh, look

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<v Speaker 1>there's a snake. I'm like where I'm looking around, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>wo you know, right right over there. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I better be a little more careful. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big old bull snake. I think it was probably

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<v Speaker 1>about three feet long, but it wasn't big around it was.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have like gopher snakes here and I've only

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<v Speaker 2>seen two. But they they kind of have the markings

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<v Speaker 2>of a rattler. They just don't have the head or

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<v Speaker 2>the rattles. They're kind of cool looking. Accidentally hit one

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<v Speaker 2>with a lawnmar But yeah, I like them because they

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<v Speaker 2>eat a lot of the mice and stuff out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're good to have around. My wife hates snakes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't. I don't mind them, but she don't

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<v Speaker 1>like mice, and she don't like snakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you got a big one, like yeah, No, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't like the creepy curlies at night, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like the snakes would be I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>they might crawling your sleeping bag with you. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a skunk. Have you ever had a skunk? Has

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<v Speaker 2>a skunk in my tent? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I've had them around outside before.

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<v Speaker 2>But not Yeah, we had a skunk. We're using a

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<v Speaker 2>kafaro saw tooth and uh. I remember I woke up.

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<v Speaker 2>I could hear some rattling, you know, rustling. I'm thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>stupid mice, you know, into the wrappers. And I get

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<v Speaker 2>up and I take out out on the flashlight, and

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<v Speaker 2>I look around and see the skunk and scurrying off,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a wrapper off of one of my meat sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, this son a gun was in

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<v Speaker 2>our tent. He was in here with us while we

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<v Speaker 2>were sleeping. And so I go back into bed and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know this. A little bit later and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I hear this rustling around again, and

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<v Speaker 2>I grabbed my head lamp and I turned my headlamp

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<v Speaker 2>on and he's inside. Oh no, and it's sort of course.

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<v Speaker 2>I startled him at that point, and he starts running

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth and I'm just thinking, no, no. I

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<v Speaker 2>finally he zips up and gets underneath the sawdus and

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<v Speaker 2>takes off, and I'm like, we're gonna have to kill

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<v Speaker 2>that guy because he keeps coming in from my food.

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<v Speaker 1>He found the food.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, that was pretty scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I killed this elk and I was breaking it down.

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<v Speaker 1>I killed it, you know, forty minutes before dark or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was breaking it down, of course in the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>got my headlamp on, and I'm working away, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking this thing down, cutting quarters off, and I hear

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<v Speaker 1>there's something behind me. I hear something in the brush

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<v Speaker 1>behind me, and I'm like, well, this is great because

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<v Speaker 1>my pistol is about twenty yards up the hill with

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<v Speaker 1>my pack and here this is it. I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a showdown with a bear or a wolf or a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain lion or something. And I turned around and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the worst thing that I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>might be worse than any of those. It was a skunk.

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<v Speaker 1>He was about ten yards away, maybe closer, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of facing me, and he's kind of going from

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<v Speaker 1>one front foot to the kind of bouncing back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth on his front feet, looking at me, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what I am. But I think he smelled

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<v Speaker 1>that elk me. I thought, oh man, it's good. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, hey, little guy. I start talking to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, little guy, what you just go, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scurry off? And I kind of backed up real slow,

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<v Speaker 1>and I walked, got up, got over to my pack

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<v Speaker 1>and grabbed my pistol and I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't shoot him because he'll spray all over my elk.

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<v Speaker 1>I got this single skinned out, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got the meat exposed. If I shoot him and he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna spray all over the elk, I was like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I just what am I going to do? So I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of made some noises and cleared my throat

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<v Speaker 1>and talked to him a little bit with a louder voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of finally scurried off. But man, that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was a scary moment in time. And let's

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<v Speaker 1>go do the wolves and the cats bother you? No,

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<v Speaker 1>the bears, no, the bears don't bother you. No grizzly bears.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a little concerned about them, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>hunt grizzly country. But when I have hunted it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've Yeah, you know, your head's on a swell. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like you're you're you're paying way more attention, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're not just kind of do to do, like you're

1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you're on it the whole time. But which at the

1:11:17.120 --> 1:11:18.760
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, I feel is more exhausting. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, you're just like wiped out

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<v Speaker 1>as you've just been on high alert.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've never ran into a wolf the first opening

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<v Speaker 2>day in Montana this year or last year, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was never like, oh man, that was close.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost scot you know, it's like it's a wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But they are known to attack people from time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>But usually i'm hunting or I have If I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a weapon, I would definitely be concerned. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I got my bow or my I usually if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm by myself, a lot of times I'll pack a

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<v Speaker 1>pistol just because if I get hurt or something I

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<v Speaker 1>have to lay there and then things think I'm ready

1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:08.519
<v Speaker 1>to ye things, things ready to eat over there. That

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<v Speaker 1>I want to have a pistol to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of defend myself if i'm if I'm injured. But yeah, yeah, cougars,

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<v Speaker 1>wolves and bears that I don't really worry about those

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<v Speaker 1>too much, and I probably should. I'm gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>run in one of these. Yeah, the bear.

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<v Speaker 2>The bear is the only one that really makes me nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>But there, you know, I haven't not come across the

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<v Speaker 2>cat coming stalking in on me calling. I probably would

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<v Speaker 2>feel a little bit different seeing a cat crouched up

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<v Speaker 2>and ready. I know it's not usually it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>high on my concern like like bears are.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a couple I know. I have know a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of people that have been stalked by cougars before.

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<v Speaker 1>When Mike, my wife's cousin's son, high school boy, he

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<v Speaker 1>was out rattling for white tails and he heard something

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<v Speaker 1>behind him and there's a cougar like ten feet He

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<v Speaker 1>turns around, blast it kills it dead right there. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know if they're going to pounce.

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<v Speaker 1>Cats are curious, They like to observe a buddy of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>He he used to be a forester as for a trade.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he'd go through timber stands and mark timber

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<v Speaker 1>for timber sales and all this and that. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I never carried a gun. He's liked him and another

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<v Speaker 1>guy working on this survey. One day and he was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of heading back to the pickup and he he's,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of I felt had a funny feeling. I

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<v Speaker 1>turned around and there's a mountain lion following me, like

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen yards back. Whenever i'd move, it move, So he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kept eye contact with it and moved my

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<v Speaker 1>way real slow, and I kind of talked to it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in a low voice, and got back to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up. He followed me all the way out till

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<v Speaker 1>I got to the pickup and opened the door. It

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<v Speaker 1>was up on the cup bank and then it turned

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<v Speaker 1>around the left.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the best time to shoot it, right by the car, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He had to pack it. And then about ten minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>his partner he was waiting for started hollering. He's like, Mark, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a gun. There's a cat up. Harry's following me.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, that's okay, just come on back, keep eye contact,

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<v Speaker 1>don't turn your back to him. He'll be fine. And

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<v Speaker 1>that thing followed him all the way out, but they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't, it didn't pounce. But another guy knew of

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<v Speaker 1>he was calling elk and he had a mountain lion

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<v Speaker 1>come into his calling and he shot it with his bow,

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<v Speaker 1>but it ran off. A couple of years later, a

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<v Speaker 1>houndsman treed and killed it a mountain lion in that

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<v Speaker 1>same area, and that thing had a broadhead lodged in

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<v Speaker 1>its eye socket and it was the same broad It

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<v Speaker 1>was the same cat that that guy had shot in

1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:56.479
<v Speaker 1>the face a a couple of years earlier. It is

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<v Speaker 1>in the newspaper there in orth Idahoa. So that was

1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:02.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool to see that. And then I'd talked to

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<v Speaker 1>the guy a couple of times too.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were at Ryan Lampert's summit this year, Joel

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<v Speaker 2>Turner came out and we did a thing on bear

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<v Speaker 2>attacks or you know, shooting charging bear And yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not real good odds. No, I think maybe out of

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<v Speaker 2>all the people that shot, everybody's probably three or four hits.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they were missing every time. Oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a milk jug being drug at them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it wasn't even a charging grizzly bear. And

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<v Speaker 2>the nerves of like, oh everybody's gonna watch me was

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<v Speaker 2>just enough. And you know, I think that he realized, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, that's a situation I really don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be in it either. Well, I mean, you, flud,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been walking along nice and quiet and a grouse

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<v Speaker 1>flushes up you about piss your pants right there? Like

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<v Speaker 1>think about a grizzly Yeah, surprising you like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be pretty hard to keep up. I went

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<v Speaker 1>chat together. I went and checked the cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm walking into the meadow that I've got this

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<v Speaker 2>camera on a wallow and I'm like so focused on

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<v Speaker 2>looking for the tree to see if my camera's still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody stole that type of thing. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>I stop and I look and there's a moose fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>yards in front of me with a calf and she's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of for she's looking at me, and I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at her and like my heart just jumped and luckily

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<v Speaker 2>she ran the other way. I was like, huh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>fucking you know, and I had bear spray and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking it wasn't even remotely a thought process to grab

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<v Speaker 2>do you think anything? I was just like, so the thought, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the thought of an actual bear on am I ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think anybody's ever ready. I just feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully I'll have to be able to get my gun out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm probably not going to try to shoot at

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<v Speaker 1>it when it's running until it's like on me, like

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<v Speaker 1>like point blank, because i feel like I'm I'm probably

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<v Speaker 1>not going to hit it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The chances of me that's you know, And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>really that Joel was talking about is like you're really one.

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<v Speaker 2>The odds of killing the bear is extremely low with

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<v Speaker 2>a handgun, and then really all you're trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>is deter it, make it change its mind on what

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<v Speaker 2>it's doing. Yeah, but yeah, that I mean that moose

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<v Speaker 2>was like probably more people are killed by moose and bears, Oh, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're they're pretty pretty pretty wild. Yeah, well man,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming on podcast today. I'm gonna let you

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<v Speaker 1>get headed to antelope hunting and I'm gonna go do

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of scouting for Elk at Night. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish you luck this fall. I can't wait to see

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<v Speaker 1>how you're following Folds.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah you too, Yeah you're you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in some familiar stomping grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully I can send you a picture.

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<v Speaker 2>At least ten. Oh I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah so good. Yeah, well it was a pleasure and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you came out and and uh yeah, look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to seeing all the success this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Thanks m