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Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and today I am in Beautiful Florence, Montana. Florence, Montana,

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Speaker 1: my good buddy, Corey Miller. Welcome to the show. Corey.

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Speaker 2: Thanks good to have you come by the house and

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Speaker 2: see beautiful Montana.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always always fun. It's always a nice drive

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Speaker 1: over here and beautiful. And some of the parts of

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Speaker 1: Idaho I have to drive through from from the Boise

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Speaker 1: area to get here, it's not real beautiful. But the

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Speaker 1: moon it looks like the face of the moon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but once you hit that pass, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's where they filmed it actually, yeah, the moonlight landing.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, it's funny that I can't make a

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Speaker 2: phone call, but yet we were able to call the moon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In sixty nine, I want to go back to the landlines.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, I don't know theories. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's out there. So what do they call that pass

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Speaker 1: that I come over between sam And, Idaho and Darby, Montana.

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Speaker 2: I think that I don't know if that's well, it's

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Speaker 2: Chief Chief Joseph is up there on the top and

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Speaker 2: that's the ski resort. Okay, so I think it's Chief

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Speaker 2: Joseph Pass.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it could be anyway. It's beautiful, yeah, right

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Speaker 1: at the right at the base when you start climbing

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Speaker 1: up that hill the pass, and then once you get

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Speaker 1: into Montana, it's just beautiful. Even go by the Yellowstone Random.

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Speaker 1: I had to giggle a little bit to myself because

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Speaker 1: they've got these orange well I think they're lime green cones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jason Phelps would love those. He loves lime green. One

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Speaker 1: up on and went home and get a couple of those,

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Speaker 1: will make bugles out of them.

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Speaker 2: You get to watch that guy.

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Speaker 1: But anyhow, they have these cones set up and the

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Speaker 1: sign that says no parking, no stopping, and there's like

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Speaker 1: a little pop up tent and a car sitting there

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Speaker 1: with it like a security person. Yeah, it's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And I've driven by there several times since Yellowstone the

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Speaker 1: TV series, in case you didn't know what I was referencing,

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Speaker 1: And they film it right there, you know, John Dutton's house,

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Speaker 1: and there's always some LOOKI lose, you know, stop it

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Speaker 1: and looking at it. But this is the first time

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Speaker 1: I've seen the barriers of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, they've had them up for quite a long time.

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Speaker 2: But people don't care. They still just stop anyways. And

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Speaker 2: actually the neighbor's property they have a beautiful gate now

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Speaker 2: also because Yellowstone had to actually pay for that, apparently

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Speaker 2: because people were driving down their driveway to then get

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Speaker 2: pictures of the ranch. Yellowstone people are crazy. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a TV show for credit aloud. Yeah, but it's interesting

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Speaker 2: and it brings uh, it depends if you're from Montana.

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Speaker 2: It brings a lot of people to Montana that didn't

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Speaker 2: they didn't want here. I don't know that. The people

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Speaker 2: have always been pretty polite. I've liked it, and brings

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Speaker 2: a lot of money into the into the valley, which

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Speaker 2: has been good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well what I'm doing here in Florence, Montana. You

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Speaker 1: may not know this, but Corey has like a basic

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Speaker 1: full fledged archery pro shop and range in his basement's

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Speaker 1: house and he was setting up my new dart dartin

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Speaker 1: sequel thirty three. You might remember Corey from an earlier

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Speaker 1: podcast we did this summer when we talked about elk

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Speaker 1: hanting tactics and arrows and good good elk killing arrows

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Speaker 1: and such and anyway, I'm over here, I'm getting my

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Speaker 1: my dartin sequel thirty three, all set up ready to

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Speaker 1: go for in the season, and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's record a podcast while I'm here. And I feel like,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know Corey, he used to have Triple

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Speaker 1: X Archery, the former archery shop owner. And what part

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Speaker 1: of Oregon that or excuse me.

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Speaker 2: Washington, Oregon. Yeah, so I lived in Washington, but we

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Speaker 2: put the shop in Oregon, right on the Columbia River

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Speaker 2: there and Rainier, Oregon, and we did that one for

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Speaker 2: sales purposes, sales tax. Oregon didn't have sales tax, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we I did that for gosh, it's been I

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Speaker 2: think it was sixteen seventeen years somewhere in there. I

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Speaker 2: used to do all Jason's work when I lived there,

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Speaker 2: and Jason and I haunted a lot of the same

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Speaker 2: for him. And Ryan Lamperts was from that area. A

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope he's listening to this podcast

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Speaker 1: because I harassed him about it a lot, a lot,

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Speaker 1: because he's you'll start complaining about you know, Washington and

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Speaker 1: fix that. Yeah, you could move to like some other

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Speaker 1: states that are much much better for a hunter or sportsman.

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Speaker 2: Just in life in general. I mean, my my Mie

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Speaker 2: Tress level I think is so much better. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the people are friendly, the weather, I'm so I don't

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Speaker 2: miss the rain from the Northwest. I don't miss the traffic,

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Speaker 2: I don't miss the politics of of of it. Everything

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Speaker 2: just seems easier, nicer, you know, as far as mentally

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Speaker 2: being happy, and and there's there's just a ton of

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Speaker 2: because we we have everything. You know, you got big

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Speaker 2: there's there's all kinds of you know, you can get

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Speaker 2: bear tags antelope and matter of fact, antelopes just starting

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Speaker 2: to open up, and I'm gonna probably head over tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and see if I can't get an antelope. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's just a game rich environment. And the one thing

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Speaker 2: how long we'll be able to keep it, is we

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Speaker 2: don't choose a weapon, and and coming from Oregon and

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Speaker 2: that we don't really see here. I mean, we're all hunters.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to bow hunt, your bow hunt.

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Speaker 2: If you want a rifle, your rifle, and if you

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Speaker 2: And so it's been really really nice for that. I

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Speaker 1: Sure sure, Well, as a former shop owner, you probably

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Speaker 1: saw some funny, funny things come through the door, you know,

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Speaker 1: the things that you know before we head outlets. This

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Speaker 1: podcast is going to air August twenty ninth, so it's

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Speaker 1: almost almost time, almost too late, But man, if you

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Speaker 1: some things to know before you go check this stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the big thing is is as you

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Speaker 2: get closer to season, the time frames to get things

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Speaker 2: from getting bow strings, just getting bows tuned. A lot

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Speaker 2: Double check in your you know, I really like to

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Speaker 1: then shop times, you know, that's a busy time of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, just just kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: like I'll very rarely from now till September shoot my bow,

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Speaker 2: mean we're realistically a couple of weeks before opener here.

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Speaker 2: And I say that because every time we shoot a bow,

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Speaker 2: If I'm worried about stamina. I mean, let's be real,

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Speaker 2: That's me. You get you pepperoni, black olliars, m boneless

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's awesome. So yeah, I agree. Like banging,

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Speaker 2: of people are like, oh, it's it's out of time

432
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: because these aren't perfect, and it's like, that's not that's

433
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: just the orientation of where that cam needs to start,

434
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 2: and that will dictate your poundage of your limb and

435
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: your drawlings. So if your cables stretched, then your poundage

436
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: is going to go down. If your bow string stretches,

437
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: your poundage is going to go up. So a lot

438
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: of times guys are like, oh man, my string stretch,

439
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: I lost some poundage. It's hitting sixty eight pounds. Well,

440
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: it's your cables. That's stretch, not your bow string. So

441
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: if and that's where that that kind of comes in.

442
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: You can sometimes see that, but it's very subtle. I mean,

443
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: you on those sync marks. All your timing is always

444
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: need to be done in a drawboard at full draw

445
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: on getting your posts to hit the cable or the limb,

446
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: depending on what cam you have at the same time.

447
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: At full draw. Everything else is just a starting point

448
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: of the cam. But it's a good reference for you know,

449
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: by doing the paint pins or anything like that. If

450
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: things things are starting to go, it gives you, like

451
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: I say, it's just a quick visual of, you know,

452
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: something to look at. Now if you notice that, man,

453
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: there's a holy crowd. You know, this thing's not even

454
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: remotely close. Nine times out of ten that string is breaking.

455
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: If it's moved enough to where you're like really noticing it,

456
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: there's probably strands broken underneath your serving and and it's

457
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 2: a good telltale sign that you better not shoot that again. Uh,

458
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: take it to a shop. Have somebody really look at

459
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: those strings cables. But a lot of times things can

460
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: break underneath servings and we just don't know it until

461
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: it's too late. But it will kind of get stretched

462
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: out a little bit and start moving the orientation of

463
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: a cam tiny and if it's if it's you know,

464
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: a typical bow, you you'll start to feel. If it's

465
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: just one cable, you'll definitely start to feel it kind

466
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: of get a bumpity bump on the back end when

467
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: it hits the stops.

468
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's really good. I ever even thought of that.

469
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if the mice

470
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: can pick this up. But but your dog is that

471
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: an English English bulldog?

472
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: We've got an English and a French now and I

473
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: don't know which one. I don't know which one's the

474
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: snort today, they're both. They were playing all all morning,

475
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: so they're they're tuckered out.

476
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: So another thing that some people may or may not

477
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: even be aware of is like their third axes on

478
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: their boat. So if you're shooting it on a flat,

479
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: flat backyard or flat range, you don't really notice that

480
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: kind of a third access too much. But when you

481
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: start shooting steep uphill, steep downhill, that's going to make

482
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: your hero drift left or right. So what can people

483
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: do to kind of kind of do a quick check

484
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: at home to see if their third access is out

485
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: because some of us just don't live where it's easy

486
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: to make a steep shot, or yeah, we don't want

487
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: to climb up on the roof.

488
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that the part, Yeah

489
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: you can get up on the roof, but I'm not

490
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: going to tell you to do that. That's true.

491
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: I've done it, trying to trying to like.

492
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: Because then in all it's like while you're up there,

493
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: clean the gutters. So yeah, you know, trying to get

494
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: out to a range or or yeah, it's kind of

495
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: difficult if you if you're from flat, flat ground where

496
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: you don't have any hills, But yeah, the best way

497
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: is to always if you can get out and shoot

498
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: it in, you know, and it will it will be

499
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's either going to shoot to the left

500
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: on downhill and to the right uphill. It's if it's

501
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: shooting both, then it's probably not a third axis deal.

502
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: So they will run opposite when that third axis is

503
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: is off. But the other the one thing with third

504
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: axis that I feel like people think that just because

505
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: they supposedly got their third access set that they won't

506
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: miss things left and right on uphill and downhill and

507
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: the The key to that is is that level is

508
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: a is a is it's a reference mark or it's

509
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: a guide for you. And the good archers will read

510
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: the terrain. Target archers will read terrain like a golfer

511
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: will read a green on the lay of the land,

512
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: the grass, the slope, the moisture in the grass, all

513
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: these different things of what it's going to cause that

514
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: ball to do. And so a really good target archer

515
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: will also read the terrain. The lighting. Lighting coming into

516
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: your people will make you shoot left and right. And

517
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: then just because it's downhill and on the side hill

518
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can still just shoot that straight

519
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: up level. So you can still have a downhill, a

520
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: slight side hill downhill. And then also introduce some wind

521
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: drift into that too. So there's two things you can do.

522
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: You can start aiming off or you can take your

523
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: top cam push it into the into the wind, or

524
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: push it into the hill. And this is one thing

525
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: that I do recommend people to practice and understand how

526
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: much does that move my arrow at distances say forty

527
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: or fifty yards and take your bow, shoot it straight

528
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: up level boom, I'm shoot in the middle of the

529
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: of the dot. Now I'm going to go a whole

530
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: half a bubble over so you'll can't the bull can't

531
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: the bow and see where it impacts. How much is

532
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: it two inches? Is it three inches? And that way

533
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: a good like I say, a good archer can can

534
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: look at the terrain and say, man, this arrow is

535
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: going to naturally want to go even further downhill, and

536
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: so I'm going to give it some bubble. I'm going

537
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: to not just shoot it straight up because it's still

538
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: going to go down there. So just because your third

539
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: ACXISS is set, doesn't mean you shoot every shot with

540
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: a level.

541
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Man, I'm really sad you told me all this because

542
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna have to rethink everything. So I guess

543
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: some work to do well.

544
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: And the thing typically, if you had a hill coming

545
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: from your your right to to your left, you know,

546
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: say a downhill and it's a side hill, if you

547
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: push that camp into the top of that into the

548
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: into the top hill, even if you didn't need to,

549
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: it's probably not going to go uphill much, maybe a

550
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: half an inch or something. But now if you let

551
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: that bow sag a little bit to the downhill side,

552
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: that air is probably gonna miss by two or three

553
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: inches now, because it's naturally wanting to go that direction.

554
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: So once that bow fire is is going to go.

555
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: So if you're in doubt, just give it a little

556
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: bit to that that hill. And that's the beautiful thing

557
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: with target archery as far as versus three D is

558
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: that you can really learn a lot more because you

559
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: have to shoot multiple shots. And so when you come

560
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: up to a target and you can glass and look

561
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: at majority of arrow holes and say, well, this target,

562
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: a lot of arrow holes are on the left edge

563
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: of the dot and there's a reason. And now you're

564
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 2: going to figure out what that reason is. Is it

565
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: the lighting or is it the terrain the side hill?

566
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: And so when you shoot that first one straight up

567
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: and it goes out to the left with everybody else's

568
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: arrow holes, you go, I got to I'm give this

569
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: thing a little bubble and push into it and see

570
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: where that arrow goes. So you can start really learning.

571
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: So when it doesn't you don't have to overthink. Those

572
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: shots will be just you'll just when you do it enough,

573
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: you just see the terrain and say, yeah, this is

574
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: this is my shot set up on this I'm going

575
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: to push into this hill or push into the wind. Yeah,

576
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: you'll get that good instinct because if you've got a

577
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: left right wind too, you know, so I can, like

578
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: I say, I can either aim off or I can bubble.

579
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: I don't like aiming off.

580
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

581
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: I aim for a reason. I like looking at what

582
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hit, and so I'd rather give my

583
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: my bow a little bit of bubble.

584
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: So can't your top wheel into.

585
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: The wind, into the wind, into the hill?

586
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard that before. That's great. And see

587
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm learning all sorts of stuff here.

588
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: This is this is great and like I say, these

589
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: are things that you want to go home and play,

590
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: play with and practice so you can and not blame,

591
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: you know. And there's just going to be some targets.

592
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: So that's right. Like guys will go, oh man, yeah,

593
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: I was missing some stuff left and right and my

594
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: third access is off. Maybe it could be a combination

595
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: of both that you just need to give it more,

596
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: even though you know there's some wind and it's going

597
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: to push the arrow and there's a lot more sight

598
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: hill than you thought, or the lighting coming in from

599
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: left to right and change the image of a bit

600
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: on the peep That's why the lot of the peach

601
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: are getting in a lot better too, with the baffles

602
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: in them. Like the Hamski pet that you've got that

603
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: really helps with some of that that lighting issues that

604
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: cause some left and right issues.

605
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: Kind of like a sunshade rifle scope. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

606
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: this information would have been valuable the other days at

607
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: the range and the wind was blowing hardness and I

608
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: was shooting uphill and whatever else and and and some

609
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: steep angles, and I was like, man, I don't know

610
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: if this this uh this third axis is right or

611
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: if it's the wind or it could have been the lighting.

612
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to it. You know. Let's

613
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: say you cited Okay, I have a question. So if

614
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: you sit in your bow at an indoor range and

615
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: then you go out on the field in the field

616
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: wherever and lighting is obviously different, are you gonna see

617
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: any different arrow un pacts there is this?

618
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can definitely, it's the same thing. Like you

619
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: know where I shoot here, mine's front to back my son,

620
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: so I don't really see a lot of that. I'll

621
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: get wind drift, you know, A certain times I got

622
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: more wind than others. So for me getting my my

623
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: windy set sometimes is a chore because I'm like, am

624
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: I really tightening in for the wind or is it

625
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: really calm enough that I'm not getting any wind drift?

626
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: But so if you you could have a range that

627
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: your sun sets and rises are on your left and right,

628
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: and say you you've always shot your bow first thing

629
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: in the morning, and you've got your windage set, and

630
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: then you go out and I'm like, ah, davenan, I'm

631
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and shoot samarrows tonight, and all of

632
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: a sudden you're shooting off the other side. And that

633
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: can just definitely be from the now the sun's coming

634
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: through your peep on a different angle than it was

635
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: in the mornings that you've always sighted in.

636
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense because I've seen little

637
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: weird things like that, and then shoot it the next

638
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: day at a different time and say, I'm glad I

639
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: didn't move my sight because now I'm back on So yeah, man,

640
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: you're really messing with my head. More rabbit holes to

641
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: go down right well, And I think it just kind

642
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: of goes to show too.

643
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: Is like.

644
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: Practicing in weird places compared to your backyard is so

645
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: important for hunting. Situations because people, you know, I could

646
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: shoot eighty yards or one hundred yards is like a champ.

647
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: But you get into a different lighting scenario, you get

648
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: into a different hillside, All these different things come to

649
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: a different play and if you're shooting longer, longer range,

650
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff amplifies, Right. So, man, just knowing those

651
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: things and knowing how close to keep your shots is

652
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: probably going to be different in the field versus in

653
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: your backyard or your local range.

654
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm nervous, but yet still excited. I guess for

655
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: my tag for Montana Elk because I haven't shot an

656
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: elk over forty yards in years. Yeah, and I have

657
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: no desire to. But yet I'm not sure what the

658
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: terrain is going to be in store for me over there.

659
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: And I really just hope I don't have to have

660
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: to make a decision on any of that, because I

661
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: just there's just so much stuff to go wrong, and

662
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm a good archer, but there's

663
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: just still so many variables that come into play, and

664
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't everything gets magnified with the broad head, right.

665
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: So the slightest mistake in my form, the slightest mistake

666
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: in my anything of that shot process gets magnified by

667
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: that broadhead and then you take the animal movement on

668
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: top of it, and yeah, it's just it's a tough situation.

669
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: Nobody plans on shooting bad. But you know, I alsually

670
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: try to reinforce myself of if the voice inside my

671
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: head is in any doubt, I'm not going to do it.

672
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a good that's a good method to do.

673
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I feel like inside your head it's like, oh man,

674
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I hope I don't miss this shot. Or if it's

675
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: like you don't even hear that, everything's just good, feels good.

676
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: You just have to think about it. You release a

677
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: really good arrow, felt good. Those are usually the times

678
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: that you know it's it's gonna be a great shot. Yeah,

679
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: what about d loops? Learn how to learn how to

680
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: tie a D loop? I know earlier when you were

681
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: tying in my D loop and you're kind of giving

682
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: me some lowdown about these little soft knots or whatever

683
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: you call them. I'm not sure you call them, but

684
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: they're like once you once you get your your knock

685
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: on the string and you're setting everything and and you

686
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: put these little placeholder knots before you put on it.

687
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of shops will always pretty much

688
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: always shoot at least a bottom tie in knot, and

689
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: if you're gonna do one, at least do that. And

690
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: in the video of the setup on yours, probably a

691
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: lot going to be a lot easier for the people

692
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: to understand what we're talking about here. But it changes

693
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: the pressure on the arrow at full draw on when

694
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: you put knocks below the knock of the arrow and

695
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: spread that gap. But it gives you a reference mark,

696
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: especially as a hunter, of knowing like, hey man, my

697
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: D loop's bad, I've got material, I know how to

698
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: tie a D loop. I'm not worried about replacing this

699
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: in the field or even taking it to a shop

700
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: and having them do it. Those tied in knots stay there,

701
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: so when you cut that D loop off, you're not

702
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: redoing the tune of the bow. You're just going to

703
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: go ahead and tie on a new D loop and

704
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: everything should be good to go there. Sometimes there can

705
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: be slight slight slight chain you change one thing, it

706
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: seems like it changes everything, but typically on that it's

707
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be a minute, and usually it's going

708
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: to be just a little gain adjustment on the site,

709
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: whether not be a left to right or an up

710
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: and down, but it would be a minute movement to it.

711
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: So how much frame on a D loop would you

712
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: say you should probably change that out?

713
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, first off, if you're getting fraying on a D

714
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: loop in less than a year, honestly, you've probably got

715
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: a burr or a pinch point in your release. There's

716
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: guys that are like, man, I just put this on

717
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, there's definitely something wrong with your release.

718
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: You know, if you're seeing fuzzing where there's something going

719
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: on and it may not just it may not be

720
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: anything you can fix. It can just be honestly a

721
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: bad design in a release. We see a little bit

722
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: more of it with Caliber releases because you do have

723
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: a pinch point with a style that has a hook.

724
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: It's a lot easier on D loops. But if you

725
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: ever see white cord stop stop like twenty shots ago. Yeah,

726
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: so yeah that so the lining of the Yeah that

727
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: that so when you when you cut D loop material

728
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 2: and you fuzz it out, you'll see that white cord

729
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: in there.

730
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: It's like the core.

731
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: Basically, if you see that stop, immediately replace it. Yes,

732
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: don't try to show like, well I got one more,

733
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: I got one more.

734
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: I can kill an elk with this. Yeah.

735
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: No, Now, now if it was if I didn't have

736
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 2: any material and I wasn't you know, and there again,

737
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: this is like I said, going back to like I

738
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: don't shoot my bow because more and more things can

739
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: go wrong. But if I was out in the wilderness

740
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: and I the bow shop was five hours away and

741
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: I didn't have delap material, you're you're at the mercy.

742
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: You're you're going to have to trust it. But it's

743
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: usually a no go. You're probably gonna punch yourself in

744
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: the face. So yeah, so yeah, you shouldn't see. I mean,

745
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: a d loop should last as long as the stream

746
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: will last, and it can last for years. Yeah, if

747
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: you've got a good release on there, so yeah, and

748
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: it's it's it's cheap, it's easy. So if you are

749
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: getting some stuff and replace it, don't take the chance.

750
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's good. Good. And so do you have

751
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: two releases when you go hunting? You have?

752
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

753
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Usually I do one in your pack and one Yeah.

754
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: I usually will have. And that's one thing too, is

755
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, in less you're shooting in the exact same release.

756
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: Double check those releases. If you have a caliber release

757
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: and a handheld release, your anchor points and your stuff

758
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: will slightly be off. But as long as you center

759
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: your peep in your housing, you're you're going to be

760
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: fine as far as a lot of your elevation stuff.

761
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: But if you have a caliber that swings from left

762
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: to right, the other one swings right to left, your

763
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: impact left and rights will be different. So you want

764
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: to double check if you're shooting a different style or

765
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: a different release. So there's a lot of guys that

766
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: buy a like a cheaper handheld or buy a handheld

767
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: release and then say, man, I really this new one

768
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: came out and they go buy a new one and

769
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: they have that one as a backup. Make sure you

770
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: shoot both of those because they can shoot differently on impact.

771
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: I notice I have the same release, I use a

772
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: wrist trap release or whatever. But then they're the same kind,

773
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: but one has a different wrist trap than the other one,

774
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: and one doesn't have quite the same amount of adjustment

775
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: front of you know, to lengthen it or shorten it,

776
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: So definitely it's a different feel. So you're going from

777
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: one to the other. So that's something to be cognizant

778
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: of too. It's just like, man, this is.

779
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: But having something slightly off is better than not having

780
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: anything right. So, you know, and I shoot typically, I

781
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: shoot a handheld. I mean a lot of people are

782
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: going this direction, and I don't tether it because I

783
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: definitely don't want that thing stuck to my hand. So

784
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: the chances of me losing that release is high, I

785
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: guess significant. So you know, the one thing that I

786
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: would recommend people do not clip your handheld release on

787
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: your string and walk around with it.

788
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Look,

789
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: I've seen people do that somebody we know, and I'm thinking,

790
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's probably the best thing to do.

791
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, whatever, I mean, if you're moving like oh,

792
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to move from this tree to that tree

793
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: type of saying, yeah, it's not a big deal. But

794
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: I literally watched people walking around yards, you know, with

795
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: that thing on there, and yeah, don't just don't get

796
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: into that habit. Yeah, you're really asking to lose a release.

797
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: Well, in nineteen ninety four, I made this epic hunt

798
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: where it was a boat hunt. So I had a

799
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: boat and We took the boat forty seven miles up

800
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: this reservoir to where it turned from reservoir lake you know,

801
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: slack water into a river, and we got all the

802
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: way up there and it's like, oh, cool, I don't

803
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: have my release. Of course, my hunting partner has his,

804
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: So guess who the first shooter is going to be,

805
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: and maybe the until he maybe he screw up or

806
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: kills an out, then I'm kind of at the mercy

807
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: of not having a release, you know, until then. So

808
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's a pretty pretty good time to have

809
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: that extra release.

810
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing that is is that's when you

811
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: would want to shoot your bow. If say, say you

812
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: lost your handheld in you did have a wrist rocket

813
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: in the back or at the truck, then definitely you

814
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: know it's going to be typically a windage adjustment, So

815
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: shoot it. Yeah, we're two inches to the right, make

816
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: that adjustment, get it dialed back in, and you're you're

817
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: gonna be good to go. But at least you're you're

818
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: back up and hunting. And so that's about the only

819
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: time on a big failure would I be out really

820
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: shooting my bowt checking anything.

821
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I've talked about this before on I don't

822
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: know if it's this podcast or another, but I had

823
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: this guy I got to know a few years ago

824
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: and he drew a moose tag in here in Idaho

825
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: and he he's like, I'm gonna shoot it with a bow.

826
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, cool, Yeah, have you killed anything with

827
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: your boat? I've never killed anything with my boat, but

828
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: I think it'd be like the ultimate to shoot this

829
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: moose with a bow. And so once in a lifetime

830
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: tag if you harvest. If you don't harvest, then you

831
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: can go back into the drawing. But I've been applying

832
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: for moose for decades and not drawing one. So you know,

833
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: luck smiles on some people, not so not so much

834
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: for me. But anyway, I'm like, you really want to,

835
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna have your rifle for a backup. Oh no, no,

836
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot this with my bow. I'm like, okay,

837
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: right on, cool man. Well, I didn't see him until

838
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: after season was over and I said, hey, did you

839
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: get that moose? And he's like, oh, you'll never believe it.

840
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: I've been watching this big moose, this big giant bull

841
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: moose leading up to opening day, and Opening Day comes

842
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: and there he is. I go out throw with my

843
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: bow and I get I get close and I get

844
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: stuff to shoot, and I shoot and I miss and

845
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: I should again I miss. And He's like, I shot

846
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: every arrow in my quiver at this moose and didn't

847
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: hit it. And he just stood there and finally it

848
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: just kind of walked off, because most they're not real

849
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: scared a lot of times. And I'm like, what the heck?

850
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, what what do you think could have happened?

851
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, like, had you sided your bowing with

852
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: broadheads obviously before season?

853
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: Well?

854
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean they they should. They should hit right

855
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: where they they're both point field points hit. I'm like, well,

856
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. You know. Did you have

857
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: your bow tuned before you went?

858
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 2: Well?

859
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: Tone, No, I just you know, I've had this bow forever.

860
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: I just know it shoots. And so I'm like, what

861
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: what kind of arrows were you shooting? He's like, well,

862
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: I had like three or four different kinds. I had

863
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: some that I'd bought, and then my uncle he gave

864
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: me some and and so he had like these mixed

865
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: quiver full of arrows. Probably none of them were the

866
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: same way or broadhead style or weight or nothing was

867
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: right about this setup. And I'm like, so are you

868
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go out again and try to

869
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: like is your season gonna be any longer than it was?

870
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: Or are you done? He's like, I'm done, Like, Wow,

871
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: you just left all that happenstance toll like a once

872
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: in a lifetime type of opportunity. I mean, he could

873
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: probably draw a tag again someday, maybe if he's lucky,

874
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: But people like.

875
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 2: That usually get luck.

876
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: They'll probably do the same thing, right. But I feel

877
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: like it's super important to make sure all your arrows

878
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: are the same by him out of the same batch,

879
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: set them up for your for your hunt. All the

880
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: same inserts, all the same knocks, all the same fletchings,

881
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: all the same.

882
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's I think that's one thing too that

883
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: I think most of us are guilty of just because

884
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: of the way the broadheads are. You know, we we

885
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: take for granted that we shot one or two broad

886
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: heads out of six broad heads and expect every one

887
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: of those to be the same, And uh, it's not.

888
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: I've seen some companies that, Yeah, there's just inconsistencies in

889
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: the ferals enough to man you got to shoot every

890
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: one of them. It's one thing I like about either

891
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: a research sharpable you know, cut on contact type of

892
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: head that you can re sharpen. You can definitely shoot

893
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: that head, touch it up and you're good, or something

894
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: with replacement bleedes. Yeah, and you know, even some of

895
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: the mechanicals that come with practice. I mean, we're still

896
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: just rolling dice in my opinion of hopefully these do

897
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: fly exactly like that.

898
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're taking a lot of putting a lot

899
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: of faith in their published information.

900
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. The I think that's the biggest, probably

901
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things that we do. And it's

902
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: and I don't blame people because you kind of just

903
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: assume some of this stuff should be the same and

904
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: it's expensive to go through. But shoot every broadhead and

905
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: eliminate some of those flyers. But you know, we do

906
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: it mainly with arrows. But like I say, everything gets

907
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: magnified by a broadhead.

908
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Right, I know in the past, shooting this one particular

909
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: brand of broadhead, I would.

910
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: You can say it Alan brought it Alan.

911
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: Oh, they were slightly better, but they were sharp as

912
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: I'll get out. But I would have to index and

913
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: spin test every single one, but I would have to

914
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: mix and match. I would take a dozen arrows, and

915
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: I'd take nine broad heads, and I would mix and

916
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: match heads two half out or insert basically, and then

917
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: put it in the arrow. Spin test it. And I

918
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: always like to line my my blades up with my fletchings.

919
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: Whether that's hocus pocus or not, in my mind it

920
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: is for me, it is. Everybody else may say no,

921
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: but anyhow, spin test it and watch and see if

922
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: if the if it spins right, if it's like perfectly smooth,

923
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: the tip is not going up and down wobbly or whatever.

924
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: But I would have to go through I don't know

925
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: how many different combinations, like, no, it didn't like that

926
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: insert outs ort, whatever you want to call it, didn't

927
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: like that one, but paired with this one it worked,

928
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Or that combination didn't work with that arrow, but it

929
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: did with this one. Yeah. And then some of the

930
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: blades would be rattily inside the farrel and some would

931
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: be tighter than I'll get out. So then I would

932
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: try to like, okay, I try to mix and match

933
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: until I got all tight, you know, And so I

934
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: might have one oddball that was a little bit loosey goosey,

935
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: that would be like a practice one. But but by

936
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: doing that, like making sure all those fun perfectly, I

937
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: found that, man, they all shot way better than if

938
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I just screwed them things on and this would take

939
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: like three hours. I would spend like three hours doing

940
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: this and it's such a pain in the butt. But

941
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: those I had better consistent groups where you know, they

942
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: would shoot consistently better by taking the time and.

943
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: Doing that, I think if you're old enough, we all

944
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: remember that the first arrow in the quiver was always

945
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: the best one, and then the next one was really

946
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: pretty good too, and then the next one was it

947
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: was okay, And by the time you got to that

948
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: sixth arrow, we're back then when we used to carry

949
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 2: eight arrows and the quipper. You know, those other ones

950
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: were just a hope and a prayer, yeah, and be

951
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: a grouse arrow. So now you know, broad heads have

952
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: gotten more consistent, arrows have gotten more consistent, spine consistency

953
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: across the board of arrows have gotten more consistent. The

954
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: weight consistency, and I don't think weight's a huge factor,

955
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: especially in an ar row itself. You know, when you

956
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: when you measure carbon, because you're realistically measuring dust across

957
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: twenty eight or twenty nine inches. You know, one or

958
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: two grains is not a factor of why you're missing things.

959
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: But it's a feel good thing, and it's nice to

960
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: know that things are as precise as we can get them.

961
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: But it's not the end all, and you're definitely gonna

962
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: probably find you're gonna find a lot more inconsistencies in

963
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: veins and field points in broadheads weights across them than

964
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: you probably are in arrows anymore. How much glue did

965
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: you put on, especially even on an insert. Did you

966
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: get a little bit on that one and a lot

967
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: on that one?

968
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: And so?

969
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: But spine consistency, I think is the most the most

970
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: important part on an arrow. Yeah, and that's not like

971
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: spine alignment as much as spine consistency being across the

972
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: board of your dozen arrows? Are they because there's always

973
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: there's always going to be variances in spine. Say a

974
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: three fifty could be a three forty or it could

975
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: be a three sixty, and they get labeled as a

976
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: three fifty. So if you have a consistency in a

977
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: batch of arrows, that all those arrows are say three

978
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: forty five to three fifty. That type of tolerance is

979
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: between companies, and a lot of guys don't talk about

980
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: that as much as spine alignment, right, and then just

981
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: having a good arrow that when you do, if you

982
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 2: if you have access to it like a ram spine

983
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: tester where you can put put it on there and

984
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: watch the needle and slowly rotate a narrow and watch

985
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: where the highs and the lows are very minimal. And

986
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: there's some companies that definitely when you rotate it, there

987
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: is definitely a seam and it's in a tight a

988
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: tight spot like whoa man, she's really the spine is

989
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: really super stiff right here, weak down here. But then

990
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: you throw in the other part of it, like you say, so, now,

991
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: if you if you were to put a three forty

992
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: in a three sixty and you fletched them on the

993
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: stiff side, those two arrows still might not shoot together

994
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: because of the three forty to three sixty of that

995
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: spine of a three fifty earrow can be that far

996
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: spread that they're still going to react differently to each other. Right, So,

997
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: even though you did spine a line it onto the

998
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: stiff side.

999
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So don't mix and match your arrows from two

1000
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: from last year, you know, years ago.

1001
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: And a lot of arrows you know, are in batches,

1002
00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, consistent off of stuff like that. But to me,

1003
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: it's you know, it depends on everybody's finances too, you know,

1004
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: and it's always good to you know, if you're going to,

1005
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, year to year shoot the same arrow you know,

1006
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 2: get some new fresh arrows and and make those your

1007
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: your important ones and beat up all your old ones,

1008
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: and practice and get site marks and stuff like that.

1009
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: As far as your elevation and stuff, usually not going

1010
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: to be a big deal. But the group tightening, you know,

1011
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: shooting arrow after ara after row in the same spots.

1012
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to show on some of that, but a

1013
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: lot probably a little bit too much more to think about.

1014
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: I guess you can really go down some rabbit holes

1015
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: on this stuff. But bottom line is practice, shoot, be

1016
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: you be consistent, because you know you're you're changing more

1017
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: than any of the other stuff.

1018
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, that's true, That's very true. Now, you and

1019
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: I both watch a lot of YouTube videos hunting videos,

1020
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many I watch, where when

1021
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: the archer draws back on the elk and you hear

1022
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: a noise from the arrow sliding on the rest, like

1023
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: maybe this little squeak or just a slide like it's

1024
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: a loud slide or whatever, and bam, the bull perks

1025
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: up and stops it picks that up. Man, that's something

1026
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: you got to figure out before hunting season gets here.

1027
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: So depending on your rest and how it works, like

1028
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: some some of the old rest I used to have

1029
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: back in the old day had maybe they were covered

1030
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: with like a rubber.

1031
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: Dip or like a shoulder wrap or hunters. Yeah, and

1032
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: then you'd shoot, and you shoot so much then it

1033
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: would wear a hole in it and then you'd start

1034
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: hearing the I got mine. Mine this year is probably

1035
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: super quiet on the rest. I was definitely getting a

1036
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: lot up and I was able to find some really

1037
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: thin felt and just put a very little bit on

1038
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: there and that the only thing you hear is the

1039
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: is the stops hitting the cable. Yeah, And at that

1040
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: time I'm loaded and it's it's it's good time. Yeah.

1041
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not getting there right, So it's super

1042
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm really happy with my setup on on how how

1043
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: everything's working together on that bow.

1044
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to definitely take a look at

1045
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: mine to make sure it's good to go, because before

1046
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: I go afield, because yeah, that's something you don't want

1047
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: to find out that you kind of overlooked, you know,

1048
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: in your groove of practice in all summer and you

1049
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: kind of forget about that stuff until you're out in

1050
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: the woods it's opening day and or whatever, maybe it's

1051
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: the last day of it.

1052
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: The definitely the one thing with elk hunting, there's definitely

1053
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: times where you know, some of that stuff just doesn't

1054
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: even matter because it's chaotic. You know, the winds are blowing,

1055
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: the leaves are rustling.

1056
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: The bolts are making noise.

1057
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's limbs popping elk or screaming, cows are chirping,

1058
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 2: you know. So, but you get up in a tree

1059
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: for white tail.

1060
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: Or a water hole for anaaloge, you got snow on.

1061
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: The ground, everything's just superie.

1062
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's not a not a noise.

1063
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: At all, just you moving your arm to hook onto

1064
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: the release, you know, onto the strings. What was that?

1065
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: But sometimes we can get by with a little bit

1066
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: more on elk honting something crazy like white tail hunting.

1067
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: You brought up then how they were reacted to different sounds.

1068
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: So in Kansas last fall, sitting in a blind, I

1069
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: moved inside the mind there's a there's a deer in

1070
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: front of us, and I moved and I hit the

1071
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: side of the blind that there's a metal blind, and

1072
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: it made a clank noise. The deer name looked their way,

1073
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: but I moved my arms, you know, fabric on fabric moving,

1074
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: and that deer just stops and just looks into that blind,

1075
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: like what is that? So it was weird that clink

1076
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: did not get a reaction at all, but the sound

1077
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: of clothing revenut clothing, and I thought that was odd.

1078
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: So then it went back to being not being paying attention.

1079
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: I might I'm gonna test this out and see if

1080
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: I just got lucky. And I think what i'd set

1081
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: I'd set my grunt call in the side of the

1082
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: blind or something and made a noise earlier. So I

1083
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: tinked it again and no reaction. So now I'm not

1084
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: saying that's the case every time with white tails, because

1085
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: everybody knows sometimes anything will make them turn inside out.

1086
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: But I thought that was odd, But it is.

1087
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you know, you hear you know, egg

1088
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: corns or whatever hitting the leaves like you know, they

1089
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: and they don't, but all of a sudden, there's just

1090
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: something you look, what what was that? And so they do.

1091
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: I think they definitely have anunderstanding of what should be

1092
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: naturally sounds and unnatural sounds.

1093
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: They say, if you have to walk through hardwood forests

1094
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: and you're like trying to sneak, you know, for deer,

1095
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: then you should not like walk at a normal human

1096
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: cadence pace of step footsteps. Yeah, that you should like

1097
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: take a step, maybe shuffle your feet and then stop

1098
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: and then maybe move along again.

1099
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: And I do that when I'm elk hunting, you know,

1100
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are like, oh man,

1101
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: I just suck them. I'm just I'm not very quiet,

1102
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like I'm never quiet, Yeah, because I think

1103
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: they sense the predator, the sneakiness, like you know, versus

1104
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have you been walking back

1105
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: to camp and just just beating it all said, Oh

1106
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: you look up and there's elk twenty yards in front. Yeah,

1107
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: they hate they urge you count and they're like, oh,

1108
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: here comes some milk us who is it? Oh that's

1109
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: not jimmy.

1110
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when there's a couple of people because you

1111
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: have that different like footstep sound and sound like yeah,

1112
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: because they're not quiet, No, they're not quiet.

1113
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: What is quiet? Predators?

1114
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're going antaloe punting leaving here

1115
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: in an hour? Yeah? Probably less.

1116
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully ten fifteen minutes.

1117
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: We wrap this thing up, you can go an aloe

1118
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: punting where you ground blinded? Are you?

1119
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Got some some blinds out on some water, which

1120
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: we got some thunderstorms and water coming already from the sky,

1121
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: so I don't know how good that's going to be.

1122
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: H If that's a bust, then we'll go out to

1123
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: the spot in stalk. But I've got some blinds on

1124
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: some area that really the only way to haunt it.

1125
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: There's just no cover. So there's a lot of goats

1126
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: out there, so hopefully we'll get them to come into

1127
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: some water. If not, then we'll drive around and try

1128
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: to find some some land that gives us some opportunities

1129
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: or some taller sagebrush to crawl around in.

1130
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: Therettle snakes there, I don't think. So what about where

1131
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: you're elk hunting this fall?

1132
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

1133
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: Are you a snake guy? Are you scared of snakes,

1134
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: but I don't see a whole lot of them.

1135
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Kevin, he lives in Dylan and h he's

1136
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 2: got a lot of rattlers.

1137
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: Really.

1138
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we we both run, and a

1139
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: lot of his runs. He can't do all the trail

1140
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: runs that he likes to do during the summer because wow,

1141
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: the snake's wrote. He doesn't like them. And I'm telling him,

1142
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: I said, you know, you should get like some big

1143
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: old you know, boots and chaps on and see what

1144
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: you can get away with. Yeah, because I hear it's

1145
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: only like one percent that willever strike and then it's

1146
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: another like one percent or three percent that would actually

1147
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: get in and get venom in you like, It's like

1148
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: it's pretty rare, supposedly, huh. But I'd like him to

1149
01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 2: try it.

1150
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be a good test. I'd like to seize results.

1151
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: So yeah.

1152
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: So and I I I probably could care less about snakes.

1153
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: And I would rather have snakes than say like scorpions

1154
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: or spiders. Oh really, yeah, because I know they'll crawl

1155
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: on me at night. Oh yeah, I can get it

1156
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: in my ears or something. I don't really mind any

1157
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: of those snakes or scorpions or spiders. But what I

1158
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: really don't like are beetles really.

1159
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, or centipedes. Beetles and centipedes.

1160
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like centipedes.

1161
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't want a beetle on mean or near me,

1162
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: but they give me the will.

1163
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: When you like when you watch Survivor and they eat

1164
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: the bugs. Does that buggery?

1165
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make me like get breathe heavyer my

1166
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: heart bound, but it makes me kind of like gross,

1167
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, anybody does, yeh. Plsu're from one of those

1168
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: countries where beat ale eating or buggety.

1169
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the squirting, you know, the crunch sound then

1170
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: the squirting of stuff coming out doesn't do it for me,

1171
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: but extra but yeah, but yeah, so I'm not sure

1172
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: on the snake thing. But yeah, I would choose not

1173
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: to see him if I didn't have to. But it's

1174
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: not not gonna be terrible, I guess, at least I

1175
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: say that now. Kevin sent me some pretty big pictures

1176
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: of our good pictures of some big snakes.

1177
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1178
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: He was just out shooting his bow the other day

1179
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: and he went for a run and he comes back

1180
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: and you could see where a snake went across the

1181
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: road and He's like, oh, sneaking snake just crossed the

1182
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: road and he started shooting his bow and stuff, and

1183
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: then come to realize that snake has been sitting there

1184
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: coiled up right behind his shooting steak the whole time.

1185
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 1: Holy cow.

1186
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, okay, I'm done.

1187
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: And I hadn't rattled. Really, that's a scary part, the

1188
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: ones that don't rattle. We were out at the archery range,

1189
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: my son Austin and I and he's like, oh, look

1190
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: there's a snake. I'm like where I'm looking around, I'm like,

1191
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: wo you know, right right over there. I'm like, well,

1192
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: I better be a little more careful. But it was

1193
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: a big old bull snake. I think it was probably

1194
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: about three feet long, but it wasn't big around it was.

1195
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: So we have like gopher snakes here and I've only

1196
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: seen two. But they they kind of have the markings

1197
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 2: of a rattler. They just don't have the head or

1198
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: the rattles. They're kind of cool looking. Accidentally hit one

1199
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: with a lawnmar But yeah, I like them because they

1200
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: eat a lot of the mice and stuff out here.

1201
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good to have around. My wife hates snakes,

1202
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't mind them, but she don't

1203
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: like mice, and she don't like snakes.

1204
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: Well you got a big one, like yeah, No, I

1205
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: just I don't like the creepy curlies at night, and

1206
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: I don't feel like the snakes would be I don't know,

1207
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 2: they might crawling your sleeping bag with you. Yeah, I

1208
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: had a skunk. Have you ever had a skunk? Has

1209
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: a skunk in my tent? No?

1210
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: I've had them around outside before.

1211
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: But not Yeah, we had a skunk. We're using a

1212
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: kafaro saw tooth and uh. I remember I woke up.

1213
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 2: I could hear some rattling, you know, rustling. I'm thinking, oh,

1214
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: stupid mice, you know, into the wrappers. And I get

1215
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: up and I take out out on the flashlight, and

1216
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: I look around and see the skunk and scurrying off,

1217
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: and there's a wrapper off of one of my meat sticks.

1218
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, this son a gun was in

1219
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: our tent. He was in here with us while we

1220
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: were sleeping. And so I go back into bed and

1221
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 2: I don't know this. A little bit later and all

1222
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I hear this rustling around again, and

1223
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,759
Speaker 2: I grabbed my head lamp and I turned my headlamp

1224
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: on and he's inside. Oh no, and it's sort of course.

1225
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: I startled him at that point, and he starts running

1226
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: back and forth and I'm just thinking, no, no. I

1227
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: finally he zips up and gets underneath the sawdus and

1228
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: takes off, and I'm like, we're gonna have to kill

1229
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 2: that guy because he keeps coming in from my food.

1230
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: He found the food.

1231
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that was pretty scary.

1232
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: Well, I killed this elk and I was breaking it down.

1233
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: I killed it, you know, forty minutes before dark or whatever,

1234
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: and I was breaking it down, of course in the dark,

1235
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: got my headlamp on, and I'm working away, you know,

1236
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: breaking this thing down, cutting quarters off, and I hear

1237
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 1: there's something behind me. I hear something in the brush

1238
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: behind me, and I'm like, well, this is great because

1239
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: my pistol is about twenty yards up the hill with

1240
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: my pack and here this is it. I'm gonna have

1241
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: a showdown with a bear or a wolf or a

1242
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: mountain lion or something. And I turned around and it

1243
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: was the worst thing that I don't know if it

1244
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: might be worse than any of those. It was a skunk.

1245
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: He was about ten yards away, maybe closer, and he's

1246
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of facing me, and he's kind of going from

1247
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: one front foot to the kind of bouncing back and

1248
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: forth on his front feet, looking at me, trying to

1249
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: figure out what I am. But I think he smelled

1250
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: that elk me. I thought, oh man, it's good. I'm like,

1251
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: oh no, hey, little guy. I start talking to him.

1252
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: Oh hey, little guy, what you just go, you know,

1253
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: scurry off? And I kind of backed up real slow,

1254
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: and I walked, got up, got over to my pack

1255
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: and grabbed my pistol and I was like, well, I

1256
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: can't shoot him because he'll spray all over my elk.

1257
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: I got this single skinned out, you know, and I

1258
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: got the meat exposed. If I shoot him and he's

1259
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna spray all over the elk, I was like, oh man,

1260
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: I just what am I going to do? So I

1261
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: just kind of made some noises and cleared my throat

1262
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: and talked to him a little bit with a louder voice,

1263
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: and he kind of finally scurried off. But man, that

1264
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: was that was a scary moment in time. And let's

1265
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: go do the wolves and the cats bother you? No,

1266
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 1: the bears, no, the bears don't bother you. No grizzly bears.

1267
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little concerned about them, but I don't

1268
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: hunt grizzly country. But when I have hunted it, yeah,

1269
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: I've Yeah, you know, your head's on a swell. It

1270
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: seems like you're you're you're paying way more attention, like

1271
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: you're not just kind of do to do, like you're

1272
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: you're on it the whole time. But which at the

1273
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, I feel is more exhausting. At

1274
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're just like wiped out

1275
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: as you've just been on high alert.

1276
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: Like I've never ran into a wolf the first opening

1277
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: day in Montana this year or last year, and you know,

1278
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: and I was never like, oh man, that was close.

1279
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: I almost scot you know, it's like it's a wolf.

1280
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: It's a dog.

1281
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know.

1282
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: But they are known to attack people from time to time.

1283
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: But usually i'm hunting or I have If I didn't

1284
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: have a weapon, I would definitely be concerned. But you know,

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01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: if I got my bow or my I usually if

1286
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm by myself, a lot of times I'll pack a

1287
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: pistol just because if I get hurt or something I

1288
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: have to lay there and then things think I'm ready

1289
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: to ye things, things ready to eat over there. That

1290
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: I want to have a pistol to be able to

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: kind of defend myself if i'm if I'm injured. But yeah, yeah, cougars,

1292
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: wolves and bears that I don't really worry about those

1293
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: too much, and I probably should. I'm gonna have a

1294
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: run in one of these. Yeah, the bear.

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01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,879
Speaker 2: The bear is the only one that really makes me nervous.

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01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: But there, you know, I haven't not come across the

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: cat coming stalking in on me calling. I probably would

1298
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: feel a little bit different seeing a cat crouched up

1299
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 2: and ready. I know it's not usually it's not like

1300
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: high on my concern like like bears are.

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01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: I know a couple I know. I have know a

1302
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: handful of people that have been stalked by cougars before.

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: When Mike, my wife's cousin's son, high school boy, he

1304
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: was out rattling for white tails and he heard something

1305
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: behind him and there's a cougar like ten feet He

1306
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: turns around, blast it kills it dead right there. But

1307
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if they're going to pounce.

1308
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: Cats are curious, They like to observe a buddy of mine.

1309
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: He he used to be a forester as for a trade.

1310
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: You know, he'd go through timber stands and mark timber

1311
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: for timber sales and all this and that. And he's like,

1312
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: I never carried a gun. He's liked him and another

1313
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: guy working on this survey. One day and he was

1314
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: kind of heading back to the pickup and he he's,

1315
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: I kind of I felt had a funny feeling. I

1316
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: turned around and there's a mountain lion following me, like

1317
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: fifteen yards back. Whenever i'd move, it move, So he's like,

1318
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: I just kept eye contact with it and moved my

1319
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: way real slow, and I kind of talked to it,

1320
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, in a low voice, and got back to

1321
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: pick up. He followed me all the way out till

1322
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: I got to the pickup and opened the door. It

1323
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: was up on the cup bank and then it turned

1324
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: around the left.

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: That's the best time to shoot it, right by the car, right. Yeah.

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: He had to pack it. And then about ten minutes later,

1327
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: his partner he was waiting for started hollering. He's like, Mark, Mark,

1328
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: you got a gun. There's a cat up. Harry's following me.

1329
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: He's like, that's okay, just come on back, keep eye contact,

1330
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,440
Speaker 1: don't turn your back to him. He'll be fine. And

1331
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: that thing followed him all the way out, but they didn't.

1332
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: It didn't, it didn't pounce. But another guy knew of

1333
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: he was calling elk and he had a mountain lion

1334
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: come into his calling and he shot it with his bow,

1335
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: but it ran off. A couple of years later, a

1336
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: houndsman treed and killed it a mountain lion in that

1337
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: same area, and that thing had a broadhead lodged in

1338
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: its eye socket and it was the same broad It

1339
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: was the same cat that that guy had shot in

1340
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: the face a a couple of years earlier. It is

1341
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: in the newspaper there in orth Idahoa. So that was

1342
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: pretty cool to see that. And then I'd talked to

1343
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: the guy a couple of times too.

1344
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: When we were at Ryan Lampert's summit this year, Joel

1345
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: Turner came out and we did a thing on bear

1346
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: attacks or you know, shooting charging bear And yeah, it's

1347
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: not real good odds. No, I think maybe out of

1348
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: all the people that shot, everybody's probably three or four hits.

1349
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: I mean they were missing every time. Oh yeah, and

1350
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: it was just a milk jug being drug at them.

1351
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't even a charging grizzly bear. And

1352
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 2: the nerves of like, oh everybody's gonna watch me was

1353
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 2: just enough. And you know, I think that he realized, like,

1354
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a situation I really don't want

1355
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: to get in.

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01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in it either. Well, I mean, you, flud,

1357
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: you've been walking along nice and quiet and a grouse

1358
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: flushes up you about piss your pants right there? Like

1359
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: think about a grizzly Yeah, surprising you like that. I mean,

1360
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pretty hard to keep up. I went

1361
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: chat together. I went and checked the cameras.

1362
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: And I'm walking into the meadow that I've got this

1363
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: camera on a wallow and I'm like so focused on

1364
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: looking for the tree to see if my camera's still there.

1365
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 2: Nobody stole that type of thing. And all of a sudden,

1366
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:41,879
Speaker 2: I stop and I look and there's a moose fifteen

1367
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: yards in front of me with a calf and she's

1368
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 2: kind of for she's looking at me, and I looked

1369
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 2: at her and like my heart just jumped and luckily

1370
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 2: she ran the other way. I was like, huh, it's

1371
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: fucking you know, and I had bear spray and I'm

1372
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 2: thinking it wasn't even remotely a thought process to grab

1373
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 2: do you think anything? I was just like, so the thought, yeah,

1374
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: the thought of an actual bear on am I ready?

1375
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anybody's ever ready. I just feel like, Okay,

1376
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll have to be able to get my gun out,

1377
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: and I'm probably not going to try to shoot at

1378
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: it when it's running until it's like on me, like

1379
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: like point blank, because i feel like I'm I'm probably

1380
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: not going to hit it, right.

1381
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 2: The chances of me that's you know, And that's what

1382
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: really that Joel was talking about is like you're really one.

1383
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: The odds of killing the bear is extremely low with

1384
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: a handgun, and then really all you're trying to do

1385
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: is deter it, make it change its mind on what

1386
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: it's doing. Yeah, but yeah, that I mean that moose

1387
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: was like probably more people are killed by moose and bears, Oh, definitely.

1388
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're pretty pretty pretty wild. Yeah, well man,

1389
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on podcast today. I'm gonna let you

1390
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: get headed to antelope hunting and I'm gonna go do

1391
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of scouting for Elk at Night. I

1392
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: wish you luck this fall. I can't wait to see

1393
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: how you're following Folds.

1394
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: And yeah you too, Yeah you're you're going to be

1395
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: in some familiar stomping grounds.

1396
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully I can send you a picture.

1397
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: At least ten. Oh I know that.

1398
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah so good. Yeah, well it was a pleasure and

1400
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: I'm glad you came out and and uh yeah, look

1401
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: forward to seeing all the success this year.

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks m