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Speaker 1: maybe this season is for you to feel shitty.

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00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe this is the.

434
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: Time where you feel the grief and you feel you know,

435
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 1: and you feel bad and it's okay and it will pass.

436
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely if I could tell myself anything a

437
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 2: year ago, I would tell myself that Kaysher really is

438
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 2: going to be okay and it is going to get better.

439
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,239
Speaker 2: It sounds so cliche because at the moment you're like, no,

440
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: you don't understand the house I'm living and it's on fire.

441
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: But I think one of the biggest lessons I've learned

442
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: is that I need to trust myself more. I think

443
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: that I didn't trust my ability to actually be able

444
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 2: to do what I'm doing. I'm like, no, I don't

445
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: have I don't have you know, I'm not talented enough.

446
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't have enough followers, I don't have enough this

447
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 2: when I had everything, I just didn't see it that way. Like,

448
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 2: I often think that people view me differently than how

449
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: I view myself. And in remembering that, it's like, no,

450
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people rooting for you, Kayesha.

451
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who want to see

452
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 2: you win and who want to collaborate with you so

453
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 2: that you can achieve the dreams that you have for yourself.

454
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: And so in having this kind of like perspectashi of

455
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: like wait, like there are people who do want to

456
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: see me win and who do want to work with me.

457
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: That has definitely made a big difference.

458
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: And in order for them to be a part of

459
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: your journey and to root for you, you got to get

460
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: back out there. Yeah, gotta put that little fuzzy mic

461
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: in your hand, literally, and I get those nails done.

462
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: I see, I see that. That's just like if I

463
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: didn't have no kids, that'd be me too. But listen,

464
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: the babies, they'd ruin it eyes.

465
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. I'm like, when

466
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: my husband and I have kids, what am I going

467
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: to do? Because this is not safe.

468
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: You will I'm not going to give you any advice.

469
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: The best parenting advice I ever got was very similar

470
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: to what you were just saying, which is it gets

471
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: better own. It was from a mom of too, and

472
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: now I'm a mom of two, and I'm like, it's

473
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: all you can really say, yeah and offer that little

474
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: hope of time will pass and you will still be standing,

475
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: and then we'll get better. The sun will come out.

476
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: We are heading into spring, and I just think that's

477
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: so real, Like Ye're in such a hurry to not

478
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: feel the really shitty feelings.

479
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they are shitty, yeah.

480
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: And they can. I don't know for me when I'm feeling.

481
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: And I've been very candid about my journey with depression,

482
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: and you know, postpartum depression, regular ass depression season. I

483
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: got all the flavors. It's like basking robins of mental

484
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: health over here. And yeah, for me, I think the

485
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: release of the like the expectation of I shouldn't be

486
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: feeling this way, right, so I have to fix it immediately, right,

487
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: I have to drink this or I have to do

488
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: that or take this medication. I mean, medications are.

489
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 2: Great, yeah, but sometimes you just gotta like.

490
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: Ride the way.

491
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: Right and allow yourself to feel because if you don't,

492
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 2: I feel like that's when it comes out in other ways,

493
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: Like I'm super guilty of overworking, like I, you know,

494
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: sometimes just overpack my schedule in a way. Then it's like, Kaysha,

495
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: no human being with the size of your team can

496
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: do what you're doing. Like right now, it's me and

497
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: my video editor, Like and who I recently just got

498
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: and who do you have a support?

499
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

500
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, her so much, Like I don't even know if

501
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: she knows how much I love her. I need to

502
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: tell her today. But she literally is helping me not

503
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: have to be on my phone as much as I

504
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: am on my phone because I have to edit not

505
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: just for myself but for my clients. So yeah, it's

506
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: been a beautiful addition to the team. But before that,

507
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: it's just been me and so me, you know, packing

508
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: my schedule the way that I have these past few years.

509
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not going to work. This Like, you're

510
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: literally going to burn yourself out and you're not going

511
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: to be able. You're not going to be good to

512
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 2: do anything if you are functioning off of you know,

513
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: love fuel.

514
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: And even in the season, you know that you deserve

515
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: that support. I think that's wonderful that you hired that

516
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: editor for me. I hired a booking producer for the show. Yeah,

517
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: that's so amazing. I was like, what's the worst part

518
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: to this gig schedule? But support is crucial. Okay, So

519
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned your social media clients. I know when we

520
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: had that coaching session, you were thinking about a couple

521
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: different things. You know, you have all this marketing experience.

522
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: You are a content creator, like can you teach others?

523
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 1: And so I'm interested to hear about that side of

524
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: your Yeah, your business. So are you were you already

525
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: doing social media for clients at the time or have

526
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: you ramped that up.

527
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: I've ramped it back up, so I kind of when

528
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: I'm doing social media management, it kind of fluctuates for me.

529
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: It's not something that I ever market because in all honesty,

530
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: being someone's social media manager is a lot of work,

531
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: and it takes a different side of my brain because

532
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: I can't approach making content for a client the same

533
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: way that I approach making content for myself, and it

534
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: takes a lot more work. And so it just so

535
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: happens that people find me and they'll be like, do

536
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: you do social media management? And I'm like, I do.

537
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: It depends no, literally, it depends who's asking, because sometimes

538
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: say people say they want social media management, but what

539
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: they really need is a marketing team. A social media manager,

540
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, the roles for that is very different than

541
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: someone who is a content creator specifically there to make

542
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: the content for you versus manage the content, or someone

543
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: who's going to do paid ads for you, or you

544
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: know other parts of you know, a marketing team. Sometimes

545
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: people hire me as a social media manager thinking they're

546
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: going to hold marketing team, and I'm like, no, no, no,

547
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: no no, I'm supposed to manage your social media accounts

548
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: that and you know, it depends on the client, Like

549
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: we work out different things that maybe I am community

550
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: managing along with social media managing, but there are so

551
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: many different roles that can come up under a social

552
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: media manager. So that's one of the things that I do.

553
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: I also am teaching more. I did a couple of

554
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: sessions at Berkeley School of Music, who I really love

555
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: and a door. They have satellite campuses in New York

556
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: and so every year for like the past I think

557
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: three years now, I've been doing some of their workshops

558
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: and masterclasses that they have. And then for the first time,

559
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to be teaching at Howard University later this month,

560
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: which is so cool and teaching. I'm going to be

561
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: teaching on social media. So it's a social media masterclass

562
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: for their theater arts students, and it'll be my first

563
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: time teaching at HBCU and also at the one that

564
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: is in the city where I was born, and like

565
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 2: all of my family went to Howard University, so I

566
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: know that will mean a lot to them. So I'm

567
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: excited to do that. And I'm also going to be

568
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: returning to my high school for a guest lecture session,

569
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: which is Bisha mcnahair High School. So I'm excited to

570
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: be back in the classroom because I love teaching students.

571
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: I used to be a faculty member and so I

572
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: love having the opportunity to, you know, just engage with students,

573
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: to learn from them. I know that when I'm in

574
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: my teacher capacity, they're learning from me. But I learn

575
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: a lot from them and in general from their energy.

576
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: Like I just came from a session with a bunch

577
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: of students, and what I love when I leave those

578
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: sessions is how I feel because it's just so much possibility.

579
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: They aren't as jaded as I am to the world,

580
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: and so I just love talking to them and hearing

581
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: their ideas and it's just a great environment.

582
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: All right, So please tell me Howard's paying these are

583
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: paying teaching gigs. Yes, okay, so that's an interesting revenue stream.

584
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: So for someone who's listening and they have, you know,

585
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: corporate experience, and they have all these skills that they're applicable, like,

586
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: how would you recommend they pursue maybe a teaching opportunity?

587
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: Like how do these come along?

588
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: You know, some of them have just been people have

589
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: seen me do a thing, and then they'll ask me

590
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: to do it. So, for example, I would say, one

591
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: way to get people to come to you is to

592
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: post about what you do. So when I get pictures

593
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: or any kind of content from a session of me teaching,

594
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: I will post that on the social media and usually

595
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: that will create a lead for me. But I do

596
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: also pitch myself, So the ones that I just mentioned,

597
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: those were all from other connections, people seeing my content

598
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: or people just knowing that I teach. But in general,

599
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: if I want to go teach somewhere, I will literally

600
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: write up a pitch. I will attach, you know, my

601
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: resume and any other like related materials, and then I'll

602
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: just ask, hey, could I come do the session with

603
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: your students about social media or about content creation or

604
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: about whatever the topic is. And a lot of times

605
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: it's well received to.

606
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: Like a workshop. Yeah, And who are you pitching too

607
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: at the university? Is it a specific professor or the dean?

608
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: Like do you kind of have your target list of

609
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: who you're going going after? Sounds so mergery, but that's

610
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: not what I mean.

611
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: You know, in fairness, I feel like most of my

612
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: pitches that I've personally done, like the universities and things

613
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: tend to come to me or I have a connection

614
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: some other way. But the places that I pitch to

615
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 2: have been more like how do I describe them? Like

616
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: smaller studios or organizations that offer classes, so I will

617
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: reach out to them first on Instagram. So that I

618
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: can get an email contact of the person who I

619
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: should be talking to, and then I'll write the email

620
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: to that person.

621
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think we talked a little bit about

622
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: during our last year when we were speaking about pitching

623
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: yourself for opportunities. Yeah, and how you know that can

624
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: be a challenging part of being a content creer, especially

625
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to brand deals, which I know so

626
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: many creators, including myself. It's been dry the bone in

627
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: these streets really for years now, for a couple of

628
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: years now, and pitching can feel like, yeah, it can

629
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: feel like sending something. It feels like applying for a job.

630
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: To be honest, you send your resume into a big

631
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: ether and never hear back. And yeah, so how do

632
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: you balance like the pitching versus like having those opportunities

633
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: coming to you?

634
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: You know, I love an inbound brand deal because they've

635
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: already bought into me, you know what I mean. I

636
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: feel like it is so much easier to get people

637
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: to come to you than it is to go to people. Now,

638
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to pitch every time. If I have an idea,

639
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: I will reach out and be like, hey, you should

640
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: pay me to make this for you, and this is

641
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: what this could look like. However, I do think that

642
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: if I can get a brand to notice me first

643
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: before the pitch so that I don't feel like a

644
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 2: new face, that tends to be more effective. And what

645
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: I mean by that is the majority of I think

646
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: the way that I'm getting inbound deals is by the

647
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 2: content that I'm making. I'm giving proof of content of

648
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: what I can make and what I can do. And

649
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: so often if I'm tagging a brand, whether it's just

650
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: like me clipping my mic to my lip gloss and

651
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: then me tagging that brand to say, hey, you see

652
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: me holding your lip gloss, I can sell this and

653
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: it's such a subtle thing, but I think that that

654
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: helps me to get people into my inbox when I'm

655
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: thinking about ways to engage with them before I actually

656
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: send the pitch.

657
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Speaker 1: Heyba fam, we got to take a quick break, pay

658
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: some bills, and we'll be right back. And I think

659
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: you describe yourself as a multi hyphen it, which I

660
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: think is great. I think we should all embrace those

661
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: different levels and skills that we all have. Yeah, I

662
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: get this question a lot from coaching clients, which is

663
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm really good at this one thing I want to

664
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: be doing this thing. I know I should be creating content?

665
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Should I pick a lane on social And when you

666
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: and I spoke, because I went back and looked at

667
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: my notes, you were even sort of thinking, well, if

668
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I talk about social media marketing, is that going to like,

669
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: is that going to confuse the algorithm? You know, because

670
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: you also talk about Broadway and actory stuff for you know,

671
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean exactly, So how have you

672
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: navigated that? I think it's great to hear that you're

673
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: kind of doing both now, right.

674
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I really don't make a lot of

675
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: videos about social media marketing, and I think it's because

676
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: I you know, a lot of people who make videos

677
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: about social media marketing become the people who make the

678
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: videos about them, right, so like they are like they

679
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: become sources of like tell me how to grow on

680
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: Instagram and tell me how to make money from brand deals.

681
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: And I get a lot of that in Mountain Box anyway.

682
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: And so I think the way that I've been trying

683
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: to not feel as salesy and also to make something

684
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: that I like, because I don't enjoy making videos that

685
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: are like here are ten tips of how to grow

686
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: your Instagram that nothing would make me like cringe worse

687
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: to have to make something like that. I try to

688
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: make it in a different way. So I did a

689
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: Life After layoff series at the end of the year,

690
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: and so in that series, I shared some lessons that

691
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: I learned, and so some of those lessons had to

692
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: do with how I positioned myself on social and so

693
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: that felt like a more authentic way for me to

694
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: hit that subject than for me to make a video

695
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: of like here are the three best tips for Instagram stories.

696
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: You know, I do consider all the time bringing back

697
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: my office hour series that I used to have. It

698
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: was called Creator Office Hours, because I do get a

699
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: lot of questions people ask me all the time, especially students.

700
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: If I go to you know, their universities or schools

701
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: or what have you, they will then reach out over Instagram,

702
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: and I would love to just be able to send

703
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: them videos to be like, hey, I made a video

704
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: on that, and perhaps maybe on my YouTube channel or

705
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: somewhere more long form something like that can exist. But

706
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: in general, getting back to the actual question thinking about

707
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: a niche and like do you have to niche and

708
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: should you not? I really have been trying to as

709
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: of recently just lean into the fact that I am

710
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: the niche. People come to my page because they want

711
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: to follow me and my journey and what I'm doing,

712
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: and what I'm doing is valuable to them because perhaps

713
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: they want to be someone who can work for themselves,

714
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: or they want to be an actor, or they want

715
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: to do social media management. They have found something in

716
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: my life that they gravitate towards and they like how

717
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: I talk about it. I think it's a little bit

718
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: harder to grow this way. The niched accounts do have

719
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: more success tip typically because they can just post about

720
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: that one thing and Instagram, TikTok whatever, the platform knows

721
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: how to push it to the audience that it needs.

722
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: But I don't have one thing that I want to

723
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: talk about all the time. I just don't. And that's

724
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: I think that's how my brain works. And I think

725
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: it's time that I just go ahead and accept that.

726
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: I think I mean, your account is Kaysha creates Plug

727
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Speaker 1: Plug Go follow, Yes, and I think that is it's

728
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: a three sixty journey of being a creator. So Yes,

729
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 1: we're going to see you at the Wicked We're at

730
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the Wicked for Good premiere. Yes, and wait, you looked extraordinary.

731
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: You have the most exquisite gown. Hubby Q was there.

732
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Speaker 1: I love how he's a whole he's got a PhD, a.

733
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Speaker 2: Doctor right, Yes, he's a physical therapist.

734
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: And he really like hit the jackpot because he gets

735
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: to go to all these swingking events. But yeah, you

736
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: have that side of it, But I mean, I think

737
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: it's so authentic to also show the you know, literally

738
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: take you backstage. Yeah, what it took to get here

739
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: and how what it takes to keep things going. Yeah,

740
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: So how has the last year been for you, like

741
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: with income fluctuations? Do you feel like you have found

742
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: a groove or are you still in it?

743
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I have found a groove. And I

744
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: say that so trepidaciously because I feel like as soon

745
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: as I say it, the groove gets disrupted and I'm like, wait, what.

746
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: The groove in the room with us? Please don't stuck grooving.

747
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: No, literally, because I during October. October was my best

748
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: month financially, I was like, wait, like I'm really thriving.

749
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: Like it was my birthday month as well, so I

750
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, my thirty fifth birthday, Like

751
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: this is what I've always wanted, like I just can

752
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: money money. It couldn't have gone better. I was so exciting, literally,

753
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: it was so wonderful. And then I lost some social

754
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: media clients and like not completely their fault. Like one

755
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: of my clients it was a dry cleaner and they

756
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: had a fire, and so they completely lost their business.

757
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: And it wasn't their business that had the fire, was

758
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: a surrounding business and so when they had the fire,

759
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: they had to shut down and completely move. It was

760
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: a mess. But I had come to depend on the

761
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: money that I was getting every week from them, and

762
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: so when that went away, and then I had a

763
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: client who ended up being a short term client that

764
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: I thought was going to be long term ended up

765
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: being short term that went away at the same time

766
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: as well, and then brandall started to slow down. I

767
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 2: did have a moment where I crashed out. I was like, wait,

768
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: I just got on solid footing, like why is this happening?

769
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: And so I just kind of took a breath and

770
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, there's nothing you can do about what

771
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: is happening. Like those clients are gone, And as much

772
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: as I would want to like immediately jump back into

773
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: a social media client, there's not, I don't see an

774
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: option at this moment. And so I said, Okay, who

775
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: can I pitch? What brand deals can I do? Is

776
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: there anything that I'm not considering? And so I got

777
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: a couple of more brand deals to come in. A

778
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: couple were inbound, one pitch that I won. So it

779
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: ended up working out and being okay. And then as

780
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: fate would have it, I had someone reach out about

781
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: social media management and then I ended up getting another

782
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: client back, so it did end up coming around. But

783
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: it definitely, yeah, a full crash out moment was fully

784
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: fully had.

785
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: That reminds me when we first sat down, you said

786
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: that you did not what was it? How did you

787
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: put the DNA of an entrepreneur like you don't have

788
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: it and you've had to like tell me about that.

789
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in your mouth.

790
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't feel like my nervous system is

791
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: really built for this, because I think that I, in general,

792
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm a libra, I'm type A. I love to know

793
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: the future, and I know that that is maybe impossible.

794
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: We don't or I like to think that I know

795
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: the future. I like stability. I like to feel like

796
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm in control and as an entrepreneur. There you have

797
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: some control, but you don't have all the control, and

798
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: it's really hard to trust. It has been really hard

799
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: for me to trust that, Like there's a part of

800
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: me that's like, well, what if no, what if people

801
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: just stop paying me? And they're like, you know what,

802
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: we don't want kay sh make no content, no more

803
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: AI influencers, that it's taken over. We don't need her.

804
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: Like there's a fear that like I will become like,

805
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, a not popular Barbie doll, and no one

806
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: will want to like play with me anymore, you know

807
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I think that the reason why

808
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: my nervous system has not been wired for that is

809
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: that majority of my career earlier in my life felt stable.

810
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: Now the government is no longer a stable place to work.

811
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: But when I was working for the government, I'm like,

812
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: there's very little I can do to get fired from

813
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: this government job. Like I'm never getting fired. Literally, Like

814
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: I felt so confident. I'm like, Oh, I'll have this

815
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: job forever. Like there was never a thought that cross

816
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: my mind that I would be like, oh, I'm losing

817
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: this job. I saw coworkers who were literally like dealing

818
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: with substance and in a very visible way, like come

819
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: to work and not get fired. So I'm like, if

820
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: they're doing that and I'm doing what i'm doing, I'm good.

821
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: I'm never being fired. But things have changed and the

822
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: government is different now. But I because of that experience

823
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: and like really being locked into a job like that,

824
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: I just thought the job security. Job security became the

825
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: thing that made me believe, oh, I need to know

826
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Because when you work in a

827
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: grade system, every fifty two weeks you're eligible for a

828
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: grade increase depending on how your job is structured. And

829
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, in fifty two weeks, I'll be here,

830
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: and then in three years I can even be here.

831
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: And so I always had in my mind that you know,

832
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: some type of timeline that's not really how it works

833
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: when you're creative, Like.

834
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't not at not at all. No one checks

835
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: in with you or cares about what you're getting paid for.

836
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Star I'm married. I'm married to a government employee.

837
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, so I get that.

838
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, hell, you guys, that's all you're gonna

839
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: get and you can't even negotiate more. But also it's like, well,

840
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: what about your consistent income? Like never mind, you're right,

841
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: give me those good benefits.

842
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: Baby, No, literally, I do miss the benefits. I'm not

843
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: gonna lie. Yeah, having Blue Cross Blue Shield was amazing.

844
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: It's right, Oh, it's very nice.

845
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you yeah, I mean you really hit

846
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: on it. Like the nervous system and the everything you're

847
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: saying about who you are as a person is in

848
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: complete conflict. Entrepreneurship and I really feel like everyone craves

849
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: that stability. Yeah, but when you've chosen this path, you

850
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: know you have to. I've had those conversations in my

851
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: own head of well, this is what it is. Are

852
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: you gonna rise to it? Are you gonna weather it?

853
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: Or are you gonna you know, run and have a

854
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: crash out every single time? Kind of isn't working, which

855
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: can happen. So what's in your toolkit now? For those

856
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: times I know you're obviously your hustle, Like you're like,

857
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call these clients, I'm gonna do that. But

858
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: what else would you say is like helping you sustain

859
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: through those those rocky times.

860
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, just reframing I have had to do

861
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: so much mental work over this past year, which again

862
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: wasn't something I was expecting to do. I was like,

863
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: you just need to hustle your way out of this hole,

864
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I need to think about I

865
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: need to think about how I need to rethink how

866
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. And in me doing a lot of mindset work,

867
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: I've been able to help myself to remain a little

868
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: bit more calm because I'm a high strong kind of

869
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: person anyway, and I can't freak out every time something happens,

870
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: because otherwise I will literally just be crashing out all

871
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: of the time and that doesn't help anybody. And so

872
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that I've been doing

873
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: is just thinking about, like, well, you could go get

874
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: a job, kayosha. It might take a while for you

875
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: to find it, but you know what you're gonna have

876
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: to do. You're gonna have to go to work, You're

877
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: gonna have to leave your apartment, you're gonna have to

878
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: go sit in someone's office under that lighting, Like is

879
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: that what you really want to do? And No, I don't,

880
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: Like there is a world where if I had to

881
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: go some where every day to like collaborate with a

882
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: group of people I would enjoy that because I do

883
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: miss the collaborative aspect of work, but I would love

884
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: to be doing that for my own company. And I'm

885
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: super clear on that. I was telling my husband the

886
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: other day. I was like, man, I don't think I've

887
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: ever had a job I liked, like, I don't think

888
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: I've ever had a corporate job that I was like,

889
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: I love this job. It was all about the great increases,

890
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: the financial success, the money. It had nothing to do

891
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: with actual passion. And because of that, I'm like, Kaisha,

892
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: you know that if you start working for somebody else's

893
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: company in the capacities that I have been previously, I'm

894
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: not going to be happy. And so I often think

895
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: about that. I'm like, yeah, you may not may not

896
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: know where your next bit of income is coming from,

897
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: but what you do know is that if you get

898
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: another job and it's not something that's in alignment with

899
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: what you want to do, you're going to be miserable.

900
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean for a while. Listen, even this past summer,

901
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: I was on them LinkedIn job alert. It's like, well,

902
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: maybe there's something and you get matched and I look

903
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: at them, look at the job description, and I'm like

904
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to do all that, right. But it's

905
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: like how they say when you're married, you choose, you

906
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: have to choose marriage every day. I think you have

907
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: to choose entrepreneurship every day. Yeah, Like I'm still married

908
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: to this grind and choose it again and again. Yeah.

909
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: And to anyone who's in corporate, like, shout out to you.

910
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: And I think there's great careers that can happen there obviously,

911
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, it is, uh listen, corporate is so hostile,

912
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: especially to women now. Yeah, and now that I have kids,

913
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: there ain't no way in hell I could survive in corporate.

914
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: Do you know how much time I need because I'm

915
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: a present mama. I'm like the bus drop office at

916
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: three o'clock, okay, and school days off and snow days

917
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: and sick days, and I mean it's just so hostile. Now.

918
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: They're making it come to work, this return to office.

919
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, some places are slashing family leave, family benefits,

920
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: and it's just like this this this country, you know,

921
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: this corporate culture. It's just so hostile to especially women

922
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: and families and woman of color.

923
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something I'm thinking about a lot, especially

924
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: as my husband and I talk about like whether we're

925
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: gonna have kids or not, and like what that might

926
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: look like. And the thing is, it would kind of

927
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: be great if I can sustain as an entrepreneur, because

928
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: he could sustain as a physical therapist, and then we

929
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: could kind of meet in the middle when it comes to,

930
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: you know, figuring out like how we're gonna, you know,

931
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: raise our kids and like what childcare is going to

932
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: look like. If I am an entrepreneur and I have

933
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: more flexibility, you know, and I'm not beholden to a job,

934
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: I think that that might work out better for us.

935
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: Who knows what it will look like, but it definitely

936
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: might be like a happy possibility that has happened since

937
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: I did get laid off. Because the other thing I've

938
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: realized too is, you know, as much as I was

939
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: going to quit that job, and I was working towards

940
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: quitting that job, I wasn't going quit. I was very

941
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: attached to that income. I'm like, I'm gonna keep it

942
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: because I need this money to save, right, I need

943
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: this money so that I can make sure that I'm

944
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: stable for the next thing. It would have been very

945
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: difficult for me to walk away. Unlet's I won something

946
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: like life changing. It was going to be difficult for

947
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: me to quit, So it's kind of good that they

948
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: pushed me out because it made me figure out that

949
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: I could do it.

950
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: I've heard that so many times from anyone who's gotten

951
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: let go, and I had the same experience too. So

952
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this like one day, you're going

953
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: to look on it and be like, yeah, probably should

954
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: have happened that way.

955
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

956
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Rejection is redirection and all of that.

957
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: Ye.

958
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: So before I sat down with you, I have a

959
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: long commute, you know, I lived that hour a way,

960
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: So I was like, listen, let me see if Kayosh

961
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: has done any podcast. I can like, you know, see

962
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: what she's been talking about. And you and your hubby

963
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: had a little show.

964
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: What was the what was it called the Happily Hugly Podcast.

965
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Hoppy Hugily, Yes, and I really enjoyed. I listened to

966
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: one episode about y'all's debt payoff and your journey about that,

967
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, I love your vibe. You sound

968
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: like you're so friendly with each other and like really

969
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: supportive of one another. But in that episode, you know,

970
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: this was yours, This was pandemic era y'all had talked

971
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: about a couple of like big chunks of debt that

972
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: y'all paid off as a couple, and you know, twenty

973
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to start and then like thirty thousand dollars

974
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: another time. And what kind of conversations did y'all have

975
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: as a unit when you were let go? Like was

976
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: there that fear of like, oh, shoot, we're gonna like

977
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: maybe end up in more debt? Now what's that going

978
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: to look like? Talk? You know, walk us through as

979
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: a as a unit. Speak for you who's not here. Yes,

980
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: how y'all have handled it financially as a team.

981
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were really nervous about that. I was probably

982
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: more nervous than he was, mainly because when I got

983
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: let go, he was a full time student. He was

984
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: still finishing his doctorate in physical therapy, and so I

985
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: didn't want him to not finish that program because the

986
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: plan was always for me to keep working at minimum

987
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: through his graduation. And so I got laid off in November.

988
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: He graduated in May. I'm like, that is a long

989
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: time now. He was not earning money well, he was coaching,

990
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 2: So he was doing some coaching at across to the gym,

991
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like a full time income, and so

992
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: it was I was pretty much the breadwinner. And that's

993
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: the same scenario had happened when I went to conservatory.

994
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: When I was in school for musical theater, he was

995
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: working and then I was in school. So this was

996
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, the roles had reversed, and

997
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: you know, I think we're both very passionate about, you know,

998
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: supporting each other when we have these ventures that we

999
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: want to take. I'm like, I'm going to work, I'll

1000
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: figure it out. And so I felt so bad when

1001
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: I got laid off because I'm like, oh, God, like

1002
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to have your back during the season and

1003
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: like literally like I've been let go of my job.

1004
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: What are we going to do? There was a lot

1005
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: of concern, but I think that one of the biggest

1006
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: things that we had a conversation about, and I don't

1007
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: even know if it was fully intentionally thinking about finances,

1008
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: but it kind of ended up being we stopped drinking,

1009
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: and we had kind of talked about not drinking anyway

1010
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: because of how it was making us feel. We were

1011
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: always so tired and you know, lethargic and all the things,

1012
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: but I was looking at how much money I was

1013
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: spending on alcohol when I go out two different things. Now.

1014
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: When I go to events as and influencers, most times,

1015
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, they give you drinks and things like that.

1016
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: But times when I'll go off for birthdays, I mean,

1017
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: I love my friends so much, but my god, they're birthdays.

1018
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: They love to go out and have Oh my god,

1019
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm like your good friends exactly. It's just like you

1020
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: spend so much money and then when you go outside

1021
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: of New York, you're going to spend one hundred dollars

1022
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: for just waking up, So like you know what I mean.

1023
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: It's just so much money that is spent. But you know,

1024
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: certain lifestyle choices helped us to start saving where we

1025
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: have been spending. Like there was a while there, like

1026
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: I still kept getting my nails done, but I would

1027
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: like get a more minimal design so that I wasn't

1028
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: spending as much. The not drinking was an expense. There

1029
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: were there were a list of maybe like three or

1030
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: four things where it was like, Okay, we don't need this,

1031
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: we do need this, but let's do it this way

1032
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: where we kind of cut expenses so that we could

1033
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: be continuing to survive through that time, and then once

1034
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: you graduated, he got a job about a month and

1035
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: a half later. So it worked out really well because

1036
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, at that time I was really running kind

1037
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: of low, but then when he got a job, things

1038
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: started picking up for me, so then we felt like

1039
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: we were back on good footing. So I think that

1040
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: in seasons past what we have not done is talked about, Okay,

1041
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: what does this need to look like. We've kind of

1042
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: just like hustled our way through, just trying to get through,

1043
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: and we were like, no, no, no, we need to sit

1044
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: down and talk about what this can look like so

1045
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: that we don't end up in the same situation.

1046
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: So you had that of that like specific conversation, yes,

1047
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: about what can we actually start, you know, cutting back

1048
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: on Yes, at the time when you were let go,

1049
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: did you have savings? I know you were fighting, you

1050
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: were fighting the Department of Labor for your benefits. I

1051
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: went just something very similar fifteen years ago, but yeah,

1052
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: did you have that savings built up and were you

1053
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: living off of that at the time.

1054
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Yes, So I had a savings that ultimately had funds

1055
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: from where my grandparents' house had been sold after my

1056
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: grandmother had passed away in twenty twenty, and so I

1057
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: had that in my savings and it wasn't like a

1058
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: whole whole bunch of money. It was like maybe fifteen

1059
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars something like that. So I had that

1060
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: pot that I literally was like, you know what, let

1061
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: me make sure that I keep it as a saving

1062
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: so I don't want to have to live off of this.

1063
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: This is just like emergency money. I don't even want

1064
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: to touch it, but like, if I need it, I

1065
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: have it. And then I had, like, I guess you

1066
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: can just kind of call it like a pot of

1067
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: money that I just had from a combination of my

1068
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: severance that I ended up getting and then money that

1069
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: I had just had saved, which was like my overall

1070
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: just kind of big pot of money. I said, Okay,

1071
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: these two things in combination with unemployment, I can make

1072
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 2: it to this month. I basically made like a little shart.

1073
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, if I don't spend anything out

1074
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: of here except for like rent and necessities utilities, I

1075
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: can make it. I think I assessed that I was

1076
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: able to make it through like April and May basically

1077
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: queues graduation from here. I just need money to be

1078
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: entering back into the pot so that then I can

1079
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 2: think about June, in July, August, you know, in the future.

1080
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's ultimately you know, kind of what I had.

1081
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that mean partnership is important, and I think

1082
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: it's a privilege to have a partner you can rely on. Yeah,

1083
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: but I also think it is it just goes back

1084
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: to that old adict of like choosing the right partner. Yeah,

1085
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: because it's like in sickness and in health, for richer,

1086
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: for poorer, the poor. It hurts in your thirties and forties.

1087
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: It's all cute when you're twenty, you're in that. That's

1088
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: like when life's more expensive and what's being asked of

1089
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: you is like increasingly. So having that partner who can,

1090
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, not shame you or make

1091
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: you feel a type of like feel badly for something

1092
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: that's not your fault, but right like show up for

1093
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: you and and support you in that way is something

1094
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I just want people to really hear, Yeah,

1095
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: who's going to be that who's going to support you

1096
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: when times are you know tough exactly, and get out

1097
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: of school and get that damn job. Yes, he did

1098
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: not waste any time.

1099
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: Not at all. I'm like, look, I've been out of

1100
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: a job for howland you got a job almost me?

1101
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: How did this happen? I'm like, I guess it pays

1102
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: to be a doctor, because I'm like.

1103
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Right, I hope so because he probably had. Did he

1104
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: have student loans with that? PhD?

1105
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, oh yes still have? We both still have,

1106
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, quite a bit of student loans. But the

1107
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: great thing about his is that as long as he

1108
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: does his ten years of payments, his loans will be forgiven.

1109
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: And he already has some qualifying payments because of his

1110
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: past government work, so he's not worried about his loans.

1111
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: I am worried about mine. I'm like, but I'm like,

1112
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: I have to take that and stride. Like. I'm paying

1113
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: on my loans every month. I have been able to

1114
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: pay off a couple of them, which has been great,

1115
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: But I just have so much. It was so crazy.

1116
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: As I had a full ride to college, so you

1117
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: would think that I would not have as much student

1118
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: loan debt as the average person because I had a

1119
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: full ride. But I paid for graduate school with student

1120
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: loans and then I went and got a certificate in

1121
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: musical theater. Big mistake. Student loans and so now the

1122
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: interest compounding on both of those is just not you know,

1123
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: the greatest.

1124
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Situation, gotcha. But so that's part of your calculation as well.

1125
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: It's not just those expenses. I mean, that's so real.

1126
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: A lot of people are going through that, and I

1127
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: mean in this country, that shoves down our throat. You know,

1128
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: you need to be educated to get a good job.

1129
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: That and for your degree is not enough, well then

1130
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: I guess I need a master's degree, right, you know,

1131
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: and that's another fifty k you know, if you're lucky.

1132
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: So I understand that. All right, ba fam. I'm going

1133
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: to be right back with more with my conversation with

1134
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Kaysha right after this break with Q's new job. Is

1135
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: he able to cover y'all? Or are you still like

1136
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: do you still have that like, Okay, maybe you're not

1137
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: the bread winner anymore, but you still have to like contribute.

1138
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: How do you balance that out?

1139
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? I would say it feels still. Roughly it's

1140
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: about fifty to fifty. I between the two of us,

1141
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: I am the breadwinner, which is crazy because he's a doctor.

1142
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: I I am like, you're a medical professional, Like I

1143
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 2: could never do what you do.

1144
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: It's a medical doctor.

1145
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he's a physical therapist, but like, gotcha,

1146
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: you know, he's in medicine. So I'm like, how are

1147
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: you literally helping people heal? And well, right now, he's

1148
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: in a residency program. So when you're in residency, you

1149
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: don't make a full salary. So he's going to be

1150
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 2: in that residency program through the end of this year,

1151
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: and then he'll be making a full salary and then

1152
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: we'll probably be making around like equal salary at that point,

1153
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: depending on like where I am, like as an entrepreneur,

1154
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: So I would say right now, it's still feels it's

1155
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: a kind of even distribution of like funds, Like you know,

1156
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: sometimes I might pay for the groceries for like, let's

1157
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: say an entire month, or but he pays like the

1158
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: car note and the car insurance. So yeah, it feels

1159
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: pretty even.

1160
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: Got a car in New York.

1161
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't drive that's qs car. Okay, I don't

1162
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: drive that car. So we got the car because.

1163
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: He's in New York. Got paper parking or unless you're

1164
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna be doing the he does that shuffle in this, Yes,

1165
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: that poor man.

1166
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: No, literally, I'm like, I have fun moving the car because.

1167
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: His CrossFit workout right there.

1168
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: No, literally, I'm like, there's no, it could not be me.

1169
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: I don't even I've not driven in the city like that.

1170
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: Literally is qs car. Got the car mainly so that

1171
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: he could drive to school when he was in school,

1172
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: because his school's ruckers. It's in New Jersey, so he

1173
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: needs to be able to drive because the trains were

1174
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: going to be too unreliable on a daily basis. But yeah,

1175
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: that car that belongs to him, because I'm not driving it.

1176
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: Not here too, it's too much going on. I could never.

1177
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have learned how to drive in the city.

1178
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: It's not that bad.

1179
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: Are you sure?

1180
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I like it. It's slow, it's not that fast here.

1181
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm from Atlanta. We drive like maniacs.

1182
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: Really, yes, Atlanta.

1183
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: No, I mean maybe you could see.

1184
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: In New York. Maybe I just because I spend so

1185
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: much time as a commuter, I think that I have

1186
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: an assessment of how fast things are moving because my

1187
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: body is on the streets so much that I'm like,

1188
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: I cannot like just even bikers and things like that.

1189
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: Like I used to bike in the city, see I'm

1190
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of an adrenaline junkie. Yeah, I biked

1191
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: in the city. I used to bike from Queens to

1192
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: Manhattan every day, rain snow. I was like a postal worker.

1193
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: Wow, yes, biking.

1194
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: It's like a video game.

1195
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: I love that you did that. I don't think I

1196
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 2: can over it. I don't think I could ever because,

1197
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: for one, I just don't see myself staying on that

1198
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: bike for more than five minutes.

1199
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I think I'm a fall The thing is now,

1200
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: I have enough, Like I have enough that is frightening

1201
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: in my day to day life and stressful. I don't

1202
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: need because at the time, I'm like creating a sense

1203
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: of adrenaline, like like you know people who like to skydive.

1204
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: I was like, this is fun. It's a rush. Am

1205
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: I going to die today? I don't know. I wake

1206
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: up at four in the morning with those things chasing me.

1207
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: I don't need like a external exactly rush anymore. I

1208
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: have two babies for that mortgage. Right. So entrepreneurship, Okay,

1209
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: we talked about your your you know, your your husband,

1210
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: paying off debt in the past, and your relationship to money. Now,

1211
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of the challenges I had when I

1212
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: sort of went fully independent, was setting up my savings

1213
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: and my retirement. Have you gone, have you like set

1214
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: up those accounts for yourself? And what was that learning curve? Like, Yeah,

1215
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: so taxes, Jesus, don't.

1216
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: Give me started on taxes.

1217
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: I don't, Oh, oh it can we because it's.

1218
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh, it just hurts so badly because it's like, you

1219
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: don't know how badly I struggled in that first quarter.

1220
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: So it's like, don't make me pay taxes. I'm a

1221
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 2: very little that I got. And because the money fluctuates

1222
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: so greatly during certain times of the year, it's like

1223
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: having that discipline to say, hey, I can't spend all

1224
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: of this because I have to set this money aside

1225
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 2: because Uncle Sam is gonna want his cut. That has

1226
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: been tremendously hard, especially during times, like I said, when

1227
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: the income isn't flowing regularly. But in terms of retirement,

1228
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: I have had an account through Stash for years that

1229
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: has always been like my like casual retirement account. It's

1230
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: just like an account to make me feel like, you know,

1231
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: even if I'm doing something small like that small, it's

1232
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: contributing to my overall Because IRA, you can have an

1233
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: r IRA through them, but they also have so there

1234
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: are different kinds of kinds of portfolios that you can

1235
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: have in a stash account, and so I have I

1236
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: think it's like a personal retirement. It's a personal portfolio,

1237
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: and then there's a a roth IRA and so I

1238
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: have those two that I kind of just casually contribute

1239
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: to and they're on a schedule. So it's like ten

1240
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: dollars a week to certain a certain portfolio and then

1241
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: another ten dollars a week to another one. It's not

1242
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: an aggressive retirement plan at all, but I said, Kaisha,

1243
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: for this first year after you being laid off, this

1244
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: is what we're going to contribute, just so that a

1245
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: little something is going every week. My plan is to

1246
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: change that this year and to not just be contributing

1247
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: only to stash but to my fidelity account. I have

1248
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: a Fidelity account, and I do have the retirement from

1249
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: the job that I got laid off of that I'm

1250
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: just leaving that money in the it's like a tiaa

1251
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: retirement fund. I'm just leaving that money there, and I'm

1252
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: not going to make the mistake I made when I

1253
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: left the government. So when I left the government, I

1254
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: had about twenty thousand dollars in retirement. I took all

1255
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: that money out to move to New York. I was like,

1256
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: I believe in my dream of being an actor. I'm

1257
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: moving to New York and I got the money to

1258
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: do it. So I'm not going to make that mistake again.

1259
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: And there's part of me that's like, Haisha, if you

1260
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: had saved that twenty k, because that was in twenty seventeen,

1261
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: down that road, oh my god. I try not to

1262
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: think about it because but I also didn't have anyone

1263
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: advising me.

1264
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: It could have been worse.

1265
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: It could have been worse. It could have been worse,

1266
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: and I mean that was saved in roughly. I guess

1267
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: you could. They fought the five six years I was

1268
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: working for the government, so like you live in New.

1269
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: York, brand deal, though, you can make that back exactly

1270
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying exactly. Keep reminding myself of that. I'm like,

1271
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: just one sweet little check, yes, and I'll be taken away.

1272
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: Put it right there. So yeah, I think that I

1273
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: want to be a little bit more aggressive towards retirement

1274
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: in the coming years, especially because I just want options

1275
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of creatives, a lot of

1276
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: actors especially don't think about retirement. They don't think about

1277
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: the future because it's like, oh, well, I don't want

1278
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: to stop working. That's not what a retirement is for.

1279
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: Retirement is not just for you to stop working. It's

1280
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: so that you have a financial plan should you not

1281
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: want to work. It gives you the option to be

1282
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 2: able to take care of yourself if you can't work.

1283
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many different things that it could

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Speaker 2: serve for. And so I've been just saying to myself, like,

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00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: I just need to re like, you know, like I

1286
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: have roughly six to seven years from when I was

1287
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: at the performing arts institution. That retirement great. Keeping that

1288
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: not touching it, how can I you know, I don't

1289
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: know a whole bunch about it, but you know, like

1290
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: fire like if you like.

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Speaker 1: Uh, financial independence, retire early.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Like I would love that. I just want

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: the option, you know. I joke with my h all

1294
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: the time like I'm about to retire at forty and

1295
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: she was like, you got a long way to go.

1296
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it all depends where you're going to live.

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00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: What do you want your life to look like?

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, So I'm very much living that reality that like,

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00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: I just want to create options for myself that if

1301
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: I want to work, I will. But if I don't

1302
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: want to work, and I'm like, you know what, I

1303
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: want to go on a sabbatical and I'm living in

1304
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 2: Thailand now, then I can do that. So I think

1305
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: I need to look back at the numbers again and say, Okay,

1306
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: this is what's going to make sense for me to

1307
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: hit these goals by this time. I kind of need

1308
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: to have a little bit more of a strategy session

1309
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: about it all.

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Speaker 1: But do you have a financial planner? I don't have.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, we probably should because our income is so unique,

1312
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: especially mine at this point. There was a time where

1313
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: Q's income was kind of like mine. But now with

1314
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: him being a doctor, but even still he's still coaching

1315
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: and he might potentially start taking on private clients as well,

1316
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: so you know, we have all of these different combinations

1317
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: of income. It could definitely help.

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean financial planner. I need a new one too,

1319
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: because mine actually had like a mid life crisis and

1320
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: closer practice. Oh no, I found out in a newsletter

1321
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's why you didn't return

1322
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: my emails. I need no But an accountant helps. Have

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01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: you gotten an accountant someone to help with that tax stuff?

1324
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: So I guess you could say my Yeah, I guess

1325
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: she's an accountant, the person who prepares my taxes, like

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01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: she's prepared. Yeah, she she does help with some of

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: those things, but like it's less of a like financial

1328
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: planner kind of role, which I would which I think

1329
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: I need more of, mainly because, like trying to strategize

1330
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: to pay down my student loan debt, I might not

1331
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: personally be looking at it the right way and just

1332
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: having an extra prayer as to say, hey, maybe think

1333
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: about doing it this way instead might get me to

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Speaker 2: that goal faster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, something I think about for sure. Yeah, Yeah, what

1336
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean about? Like, where is my question?

1337
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: Where did you go? Are just talking?

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Speaker 1: Dang, it's only happened once so far. Way financial planning,

1339
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: financial budgeting. Oh, I wanted to ask you about your

1340
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: business structure? How did you decide? Had you already had

1341
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: like an LLC setup when you're working nine to five?

1342
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: So have you just continued that?

1343
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, gotcha, exactly all right?

1344
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Yeah? I actually with Mandy money Makers that was

1345
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: Anes Corp, which is like a different business structure basically,

1346
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: like I became a W two employee of my own

1347
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: business and I did pay myself, which was very cute

1348
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: the first two years. And then after a while, I'm like, wait,

1349
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I ain't making no money, so I can't pay myself,

1350
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: So what how does that all work? And that's where

1351
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Speaker 1: my accountant was like it's fine, like here's what you do.

1352
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: And then Brown Ambition was an LLC used to have

1353
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: a partner and that shifted. So, yeah, having a tax

1354
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: person because that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Stresses me out. Yeah.

1356
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like they're out to get me

1357
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna mess up, and someone's gonna put a

1358
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: bag over my head and I don't know, take me somewhere.

1359
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: That apparently is happening a lot in this country. Yeah,

1360
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: unfortunately having that, Yes, it's an expense too, you know,

1361
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: having that accountant, but yeah, does give that like a

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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: little bit of peace of mind. Yeah, which a lot

1363
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: of people don't talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what I'm gonna do this year that

1365
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: I didn't do last year because literally just trying to

1366
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: survive is like work on paying quarterly access and estimates,

1367
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: like I think that'll help versus waiting until the end

1368
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: of the year and they'd be like, hey, you lost

1369
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars all like twenty thousand like, so I

1370
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: think that doing the quarterly approach is going to be

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01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: a better move one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, yes, having that email like okay, having

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01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: the bookkeeper keep tabs on your books, that was one

1374
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: of the first things I did and I'm still grateful

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: that I did that now and now I have an

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: accountant that does the bookkeeping. So once a quarter I'll

1377
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: get those emails like, hey, what are these expenses and

1378
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: let's get this all cleaned up. And then here's what

1379
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: you should be you know, doing your quarterly payment toward.

1380
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: And here's you know what you can keep and that's.

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: Been And you said, that's who does that for you?

1382
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I have, Well, I used to have a separate bookkeeper

1383
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: and a bookkeeper literally, so I have a quick Books

1384
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: account and my bookkeeper has access to it. That's just

1385
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: the portal that she uses, so all of my business

1386
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 1: accounts are tied to it, and so she will pull

1387
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: those reports monthly and quarterly, and then when she's reconciling

1388
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: that reconciling the books basically like making sure that all

1389
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: the expenses are being categorized correctly. Yeah, she'll email me

1390
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: and be like, what was this, Because sometimes I'll use

1391
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: the wrong card for something and I'm like, oh, oops,

1392
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: I bought lunch with my business card. I should have

1393
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: like I chose the wrong card on Apple pay or whatnot.

1394
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: And then they use that information to then say, okay,

1395
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: here's and then my accountant will take what the bookkeepers

1396
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: the record that she's created, and then use that to

1397
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: kind of tell me, Okay, here's what you should be

1398
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: paying towards your taxes. That was how it used to be.

1399
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: Now my accountant does all of that. Oh, I love

1400
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: that bookkeeping an accountant combo. Some accountants won't even work

1401
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: with you unless you have a book. Most accountants won't,

1402
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: especially if you're like a business, yeah, because they don't

1403
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: want to be They have to like give you advice,

1404
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: and they can't do it if your finances are.

1405
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: All like yeah, fed up right.

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: For lack of a better word, right, yeah, but yeah,

1407
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: and having the retirement set up. I have a solo

1408
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: for one K. I love what you said about that

1409
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: ten dollars because you know it's not much, but it's

1410
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: also it's a bet. It's it's a it's a good

1411
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: faith you know, it's a good faith investment, and it's

1412
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: something and it's it's keeping that habit. Yeah, and I

1413
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: definitely have had times where I'm like, well, I'm just

1414
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: turning that off, like I'm just not going to be contributing. Yeah,

1415
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, I kind of I think people who are listening, like,

1416
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: even if you don't have the money you had when

1417
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: you were getting ten percent of your income from corporate

1418
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: right to set aside, like you can still contribute right something.

1419
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: Literally, And like I don't know, I like stash because

1420
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm not a big like investments girly, Like I don't

1421
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: understand the stock market in like a intimate way like

1422
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: I but it feels fun. It feels like a game.

1423
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: Like when I go into this app, I feel like

1424
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm doing something good with my money. I'm like, Okay,

1425
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to invest in this easy app over here,

1426
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna buy this stock over here, and you know,

1427
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: a lot stoff plan no, but for real, like I

1428
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: don't really though in a sense that like if I

1429
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: were to try to do that in a different account,

1430
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would be as successful. But

1431
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: like through Stash because you can buy partial shares. I

1432
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: feel like that's why I feel like such a you know,

1433
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: winner over there. And then also too, like just the

1434
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: amount I've been able to save casually is like I

1435
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: like that I've been able to do that because I

1436
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: started this Stash account in like what twenty nineteen, and

1437
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: all of it has just been like my Chipotle money,

1438
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's been very like, you know,

1439
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: just ten dollars here, five dollars there, twenty dollars here.

1440
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: Or if I'm like if I noticed something big that

1441
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: happened in the news or something right, I'll be like, oh, well,

1442
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: it might be good for me to buy a big

1443
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: piece of this, like one hundred dollars here. Yeah. That

1444
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: that has been like kind of my gateway into like

1445
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: really thinking about investments in a different way because it's

1446
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: been so easy to understand.

1447
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. And they don't sponsor the show, so fair

1448
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: not an endorsement fair. I've heard of Stash. I don't

1449
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: think I've ever used Stash, but any like any of

1450
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: these you know these apps you know, like Betterment, Yeah,

1451
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: well front, like gosh, there's so many now, It's never

1452
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: been easier but the idea is like, yes, just getting

1453
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: into something, getting a little etup and index fund. We

1454
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff. When you do have some knowledge.

1455
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: Your family is like super educated. You said, you're all

1456
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: Howard grads. Yeah, so is money something that you grew

1457
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: up kind of talking about?

1458
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no no. So like even though yeah,

1459
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: very educated family, but like money wasn't necessarily a conversation

1460
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 2: we talked about. I feel like my aunt was the

1461
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: first one to really sit me down and talk me

1462
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,959
Speaker 2: through my first checks from the government because she also

1463
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: worked for the Department of State as well, and she

1464
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: didn't want me to just blow on my checks. That

1465
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: was my first I will never forget. My first check

1466
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 2: was like nine hundred dollars. I was like, I'm rich.

1467
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to the mall, like I'm literally about to live.

1468
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: And she's like, Kaisha, now, I'm like nine hundred dollars.

1469
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: Like I will never forget being so pressed. And I

1470
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: was an intern at the time. I was like, this

1471
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: is the best internship I've ever had. And so you know,

1472
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: when you get your first check and you're young, like you,

1473
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: the instinct is to just blow it. And I think

1474
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: her sitting down and be like, hey, you can have

1475
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: your fun, but this is how much fun you should have.

1476
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: This is how much you need to have for living

1477
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: expenses because you do have to pay for these things,

1478
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 2: and this is what you should be saving. And so, like,

1479
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, I had those kind of basic conversations with her,

1480
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: but I've never had until recent years, and it's been

1481
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: more so like the conversations that you and I will

1482
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: now have with family members. We're teaching them about, you know,

1483
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: how to manage their finances and how to plan for

1484
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,919
Speaker 2: retirement and how to like think about their money overall,

1485
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: and just their spending habits in general. Like the one

1486
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: thing that always rings out in my head is do

1487
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: my spending habits reflect my values? Like I love that?

1488
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1489
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like you know, well, like listen, I love

1490
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: a margarita, I love tequila, I do, I love I

1491
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: love wine, I love Appaol spreads. But when I think

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Speaker 2: about this season of my life, if I were to

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Speaker 2: spend on those things, it doesn't reflect They don't reflect

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Speaker 2: my current values at this moment. And so I'm like,

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Speaker 2: there might be another season of life where it does,

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Speaker 2: but with where I am and the goals that I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to get to this is something that I can sacrifice,

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Speaker 2: and it's something that like, it doesn't even fully feel

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Speaker 2: like a sacrifice because it's not what I want to

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Speaker 2: be spending my money on. And so when I kind

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Speaker 2: of lead with that thought in my head, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what is it that I want my money to be

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Speaker 2: going towards. I want my money to be going towards

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Speaker 2: things that you know, I can own and you know,

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Speaker 2: paying off my student loans and creating more financial freedom.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I wish we had more time, but I

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Speaker 1: would love to wrap up with this question. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: the past year that you've had, and especially speaking to

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Speaker 1: listeners who have who're going through a layoff now or

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: whatever season of life right now if it's a low,

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: especially if they're also entrepreneurs, what are some seeds that

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: you feel like you planted this year that have borne

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: the most fruit? You know, like, has it been like

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01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: reaching out to people and you know, nurturing relationships that

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: have led to new opportunities or was it a s

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: and like skill set you invested time and like what

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01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: have you been pouring into that you feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: has brought you the most fortune this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really good question. I think that

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Speaker 2: I've been pouring a lot of time and energy into

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: content creation itself and really looking at what I want

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Speaker 2: to be making and trying to make as much of

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 2: that as possible. Because there was a time on social

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 2: where I would make things because I thought that that's

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01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: what people wanted to see from me. But that gets

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01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: tired really easily if you don't like making it. And

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: so I've been really paying attention to what I like

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Speaker 2: doing and trying to find the intersection of what I

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01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: like doing with what my audience enjoys seeing from me.

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01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 2: And that I spent so much time on social media

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01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 2: doing that, and I think that that was time well

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01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 2: spent because now I'm looking at Okay, great, I've sown

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01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 2: a lot of time into these different platforms. How do

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: I sell more time into something that I have full

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01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: control over and that I own. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: what that's going to be. I don't know if that's

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: going to be like my own show, a podcast, you know,

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: a website, a blog. I don't know to do blog,

1539
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 2: so I don't know. I might do a blog sub stack.

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: I just want something that is not necessarily connected to

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: a specific social media platform that it can be. I

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 2: want to build my work outside of a digital platform,

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01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 2: and I think that that, you know, every time TikTok

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: is threatened in its existence, I'm like, I need my

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: work to exist in another place because I often think about, well,

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01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: if Instagram, YouTube, tiktoc all the things went away tomorrow,

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 2: what would you have? And I often think about, like, wow,

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01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: a lot of my work would be gone, like I have,

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01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 2: you know, copies of it and things on my phone

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: and on my computer, but like in a way, like

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: my footprint would be erased. So what can I make?

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: What am I making that I'm passionate about that that

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 2: is different than what my digital footprints is. Or that's

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 2: just something that I've been really thinking about. But I

1555
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 2: think that the maybe the biggest seat that I've watered

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01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: this year is just the belief in myself. I think

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: I didn't believe in myself a year ago to be

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01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 2: able to be an entrepreneur for a whole year. I

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: couldn't even see it the next six months, let alone

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: maybe even thirty days. I was like, I don't know

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: if I can do this, And so I every time

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01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: things get hard, I go back to that, I'm like,

1563
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 2: you really didn't think you're going to make it, and

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: look what happened. And so if there's anyone who is

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01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: listening who is in a similar situation and you don't

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: know how, you're gonna, like, you know, make it happen

1567
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: for yourself, like give yourself some credit because you just

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01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 2: never know, You just never know. That was I thought

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: that I had to have a bunch of different things

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 2: in place in order to do what I've been able

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: to do any year, and I don't have any of

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: those things, and I was able to do a lot

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Speaker 2: in a calendar year.

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Speaker 1: I'm really really proud of you, and I'm happy for you.

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: And I say that with the knowledge that, like, there

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: will continue to be these ups and downs. But I

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: think the most, like you said, you've you've really watered

1578
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: that seed of faith in yourself and belief, and that

1579
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 1: is that is what separates a successful creator, influencer, entrepreneur,

1580
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, from those who can't just can't keep going, Yeah,

1581
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: because it is it's testing yourself time and again. Do

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01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: I still think I got it? I still think it's

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:42,520
Speaker 1: this like diabolical faith in yourself, unflailing faith in yourself, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly that. And I just want to also say thank

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 2: you to you because when you offered me that coaching session,

1586
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: I was so all over the place, like you have

1587
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 2: no idea, Like I did not know what I was

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 2: going to do, and you just like so graciously giving

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: me your time really helped me like ways that I'll

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01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: never be able to properly express my gratitude, because like

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: I felt like I didn't even know who to reach

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 2: out to when I got laid off. I'm like, who

1593
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: do I talk to about this? Because my family was like,

1594
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: go get a job, So, like, you know, in having

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: the desire to stay an entrepreneur and talking to someone

1596
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: who has done it and you being able to like

1597
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: help me kind of just like first of all, take

1598
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: a breath and then see what was in front of

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 2: me really set me up for the successful year that

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Speaker 2: I had. And so I really just want to say

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 2: thank you for that, because there are times, like especially

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: in New York, where I feel like I can't reach

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 2: out to people without expecting something them respecting something in return,

1604
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: or like it's a transactional kind of thing, and you

1605
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: just like opened your arms to me, and I just

1606
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 2: really have not forgotten that, and like I messaged you

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, I was able to do

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 2: that for someone else, and it was I was actually

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 2: pretty emotional because I was like, like, I'm so glad

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: that like someone who had recently gotten laid off reached out.

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 2: Was like, Kaysha, can you just talk to me about

1612
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: your journey? Can you, like, would you mind just like

1613
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: sharing anything that might be helpful so that I can

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01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: get back on my feet. And I jumped on that

1615
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: call so fast because I know how important our call

1616
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: was to me when that happened. So I hope that

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: I was also maybe able to do that for her

1618
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: because it's hard out here, like losing a job and

1619
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: this economy is not a game, and there are a

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01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 2: lot of people who are like really struggling as a

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01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: result of losing income. And so anyway, I just say

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01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 2: all that to say thank you so much because it

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: really did help me so so much.

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Speaker 1: And if it hadn't, mean, of course, you probably helped

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01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: that person who reached out to you, But you're also

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: like Brown Ambition fam is listening right now, And I

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: know for a fact I would not have brought you

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01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: here if I didn't think that there was value to

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01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: be had and I love what I got to do,

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, and get to do one on one coaching.

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: But part of the reason why I'm pouring it all

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: into Brown Ambition now is it's that one to many approach.

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: Like having conversations like these, I really feel like we

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01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: are helping and being that safe space for people. And

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01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: I just really thank you for your can and for

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01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: bringing your aura and your magic and your sparkle here.

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01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: And thank you Kaysha.

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for having me.

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01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: Come back again.

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01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 2: I will I VA fan.

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01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: Well, you can go follow Kaysha at kaysha Creates on

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01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: all platforms. Also your YouTube channel.

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 2: Ye, what's it called at kaysh Great? There we go.

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: I love the brand consistency. I'll put it all in

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01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: the show notes. Kaysha, thank you so much for joining

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 1: Brown Ambition.

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01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: And before I go, Ba Fam, I want to shout

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: out the team that helps make Brown Ambition possible. Huge

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01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: thanks to my fam at iHeartRadio, Katrina Norvel and Jenna Kagel,

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01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: my worker bees, behind the scenes, booking assistant Brittany Laie

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01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: and virtual assistant Cameron McNair who keep me organized and

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: of course, my editor Courtney Dean, thank y'all so much

1654
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: for supporting the show. If you love Brown Ambition, share

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Speaker 1: it with a friend, tag us on social and don't

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: forget to leave a comment or review. Until next time.

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Speaker 1: By BA Fam and