WEBVTT - Lab 051: HBCUs Edition (Re-Air) 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.920 School is back in session, and you know what that means. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:09.240 Homecoming is right around the corner, and nobody does homecomings 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:14.400 like historically Black colleges and Universities or HBCUs. Zakiah went 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.000 to Hampton University, so she knows all about it. So 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.880 this week we're throwing back to a past episode where 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.200 we did the science of HBCUs. It was a special 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.600 episode because we had one of our favorites, Xavier Jernigan, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:38.720 who is the Spotify DJ and a fam you alum, 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:39.600 What an. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.680 HBCU means to me is friendship. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.600 So I met them in two thousand and three and 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:47.160 what is it twenty twenty one? 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.120 So lifelong a frenticships, That's what it means to me. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.199 Yes, And I think at HBCU was a nurture and 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.720 environment that puts US African Americans in a great spot, 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.760 especially when we go into our endeavors. Whatever your career 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.360 may be, it's that you up for success. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:03.040 Do it. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.960 How you guys doing. I am Timothy McDonald. I am 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.400 a senior chemical engineering major from Baltimore, Maryland, and I 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.160 have the pleasure of serving as a forty fourth mister 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.640 Howard University, being on campus is the epitome of black excellence. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.640 I would say, being surrounded by people not only of 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.600 black minds, but black minds who are willing to challenge you. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.840 That's something that I hadn't faced in high school. I 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.720 went to a majority white high school, right, and I 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.840 just didn't have a lot of people that looked like me. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:31.560 And once I came to Howard, I knew that it 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:32.760 was home. I knew that it was the place I 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.840 had to be for the next four years. And even 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.120 though we have been in a pandemic and it's been hard, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.640 now that we're back and it feels like, you know, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.000 just an outpour of good times vibes and just being 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.160 around black people. It's like a cookout, right, but all 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.680 day every day. So that's something I'm really enjoyed. So 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.120 our chant is something that you got to learn, which 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.040 is at you. You know, that's something you do maybe 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.760 a thousand times in the first week alone. So that 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.360 is something and it kind of transcends classes. Right. You 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.960 can have alumni from ninety six all the way back 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.560 to sixty six and they're gonna know hu, you know, right, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.840 So it's that chance that we hold near and dear 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:12.840 to all heart, Thank. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:13.280 You so much. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:14.480 No problem, No problem. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.240 I'm t T and I'm Zakiyah and from Spotify. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:29.920 This is Dope Labs. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.000 Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that makes it 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.280 hardcore science, pop culture, and a healthy dose of friendship. Okay, Zekiah, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.160 I have a question for you. Shoot. What do Spike, Lee, 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.200 Tony Morrison, w E. B. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:02.480 Dubois, Thirdgood Marshall, Jerry, Rice, Felicia, and Debbie Allen all 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:03.680 have in common. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.679 Fantasy dinner wishless. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:12.480 Yes, but also they all went to historically black colleges 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:18.120 and universities. So HBCUs yes, And that's right on time 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.320 because it's Black History Month and this week we're focusing 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:22.440 on HBCUs. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.560 We're covering everything from history to homecoming. We're delving right 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.160 into the HBCU experience. You know, HBCUs have been in 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.320 the news, they've been in the media. We've seen them 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:37.320 portray positively. We've seen students complaining about conditions at different HBCUs. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.520 So remember in DC at Howard we saw some folks protesting, yeah, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.720 about their housing conditions. Yes, and Howard is not alone. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.000 A couple of other schools have seen some similar things. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:52.080 Happening some similar feedback from their students. Then recently, just 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.320 earlier this month, do you remember when all the bomb 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.560 threats were called into the hbc My goodness, that was 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.360 so scared. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:01.280 Yeah. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.080 So, you know, I feel like we're seeing positive things, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.760 but also negative things and outside influences. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:09.040 Just so much going on. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.960 But I think there's still a lot to celebrate about 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.320 the HBCU experience. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.039 And Zakiya, I am really excited about this because you 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:18.360 went to an HBCU. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.880 Yes, I am a graduate of Hampton University, and so 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.680 I can't wait to reminisce and talk about some of 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:29.320 my HBCU experience. Those are some formative years. I cannot wait. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:43.960 Let's get into the recitation, all right, So what do 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.080 we know today? 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.279 There are just over one hundred HBCUs in the United States, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:53.040 and that equals about three percent of our colleges and universities, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.440 both public and private. Many of our HBCUs are located 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.960 in the Southern States, and Alabama has the most HBCU 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.159 per state, with twelve total. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.599 Another thing that we know is that HBCUs play a 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.680 huge part in education, and we are particularly focused on 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.839 STEM education and addressing inequalities in STEM education. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.440 Yes, as a matter of fact, about twenty seven percent 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.640 of black undergrads got their STEM degrees from HBCUs, and 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.000 if you look at black doctors in the US, fifty 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.240 percent of them are HBCU graduates. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.440 Not to mention, in my field of engineering, forty six 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.559 percent of black women engineers graduated from HBCUs and thirty 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.720 percent of black doctorates in science and engineering are from HBCUs. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.160 You know, HBCUs have been underfunded for decades, and we're 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:46.440 starting to see some lawsuits in cases where states are 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.040 having to pay up. So just last year, the governor 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.000 of Maryland, Hogan, signed a settlement for five hundred and 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.560 seventy seven million dollars to go to Maryland's HBCUs. What 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.440 they found is that the whole statewide system of education 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:04.640 for Maryland was disproportionately sending funds to primarily white institutions 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.159 and underfunding the for HBCUs under their care. So over 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.280 the next ten years they will disperse those funds back 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.000 to those schools. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:17.159 The twenty five largest predominantly white institutions, their endowments are 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:22.120 greater than the endowments of all the HBCUs combined. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.280 So what do we want to know? 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:25.919 I know that there's a lot that I want to 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.520 know because I didn't go to HBCU unfortunately, so I've 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.400 got a lot of questions because I feel like it'll 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.360 help me know my friend even better. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.440 Well, we're going to focus on a couple things, friendship 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.280 and camaraderie, mentorship and stewardship. How attended a HBCU might 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.960 affect your identity, so the black experience and different perspectives 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.240 and campus life, and then we'll talk about how HBCUs 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.200 have been portrayed in the media. But one component of 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.919 that that we have to touch is homecoming, which is 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:00.000 a celebration of coming together and being back on campus. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.239 We said three things, but I couldn't stop. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.200 I am very excited to dive in, so let's jump 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:09.040 into the dissection. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:21.840 Today. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.040 We are so excited to have our friend Xavier Journegan 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.800 on the show. He's gonna be talking to us all 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:32.120 about his HBCU experience as well as Zakiah, So we 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:33.320 got two experts today. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:38.560 I'm Xavier Journegan. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.120 Everybody calls me x I'm the host of The Get Up, 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.440 Spotify's daily morning show and I'm also an exec at Spotify, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.160 and I'm a proud, proud Florida A and M University fam. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.440 You rattler, I bleed Arnge and Green. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.480 Yes, I said it, Arnge in Green. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.560 Choosing a college, if you decide to go to college, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.800 is a really big deal. Choosing the right college, choosing 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.840 a place where you know you'll feel comfortable to further 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.600 your education is a really big deal. And as you 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.240 can hear, we have someone who is very proud of 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:13.840 their institution on the show. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.560 We asked X to tell us why he chose an 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:21.360 HBCU and where his beginnings of his love for HBCUs 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:22.360 kind of started. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.520 My hometown, Daytona is an HBCU city, so I grew 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.000 up around and my aunt and uncle worked there. My 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.800 cousin Zach was section leader at the drum line at Cooking. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.719 My cousin Terry, his sister, went to cook Mean and 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.520 we always went to the homecoming parade. Zach will march 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.120 by me and my brother and show out in front 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.920 of us and wink at us, and then me and 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.280 my brother became drummers. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.480 So it sounds like your hbc YOU experience started when 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.520 you were really, really young, very young. I've definitely heard 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.200 that with a lot of people that I know that 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.760 went to HBCUs, they were exposed to HBCU cultures young. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.640 Now. I do think that's a big part of it, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:00.760 exposure to it. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.840 And I grew up on like school Days came out 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.080 when I was a little kid, and in a different 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.600 world was like, those are my formative years. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.280 X is making a really good point. Tt I feel 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.240 like over the past couple of years there has been 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:16.400 so much HBCU exposure in the media. Absolutely, if you 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.360 think back to Beyonce's Homecoming at Coachella, that performance, Yes, yes, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.280 I've even recently seen Little nas X did something. It 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.720 wasn't HBCU centric, but it definitely gave me homecoming vibes. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.680 Yeah, definitely drumline homecoming, you know, things like that. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.880 So X talks about exposure in the media that kind 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.480 of drove his love for HBCUs as well, specifically School Days, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.760 which was written, directed, and produced by Spike Lee who 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:47.600 graduated from Morehouse and all male HBCU and School Days 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.320 also gives a good view of, yes, the HVCU experience, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:56.080 but in particular the Black Greek experience, and TT. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.040 You know a little bit about that. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:58.880 Yes, the Divine Nine. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.880 It's made up of nine fraternities and sororities, and I 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.760 am a proud member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.480 So like going up to the campus, me and my 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.520 mom and my brother would go up there and just 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.480 hang out in my aunt Helen's office or my uncle 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.400 James's office and just being in that environment. And then 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.400 my mom went to Cookman and a big part of 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.040 my story, y'all, so my mom had me and my 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.520 brother young. My mom was about to enter her freshman 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.680 year at Bathune Cookman at eighteen. 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.320 She was pregnant with my brother. I ain't come along 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:30.040 in the next summer. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.280 She still keeps going, but then it was too much, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.360 so she didn't finish. But all throughout growing up, y'all, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.280 she will always say to me and my brother, I'm 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.840 going to go back one day. And just a few 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.600 years ago, my mom finally went back to the Cookman 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.080 University and she was able to finish that degree, and 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.320 then she went on and got her master's because she's 0:10:50.320 --> 0:11:08.400 a g That's the HBCU experience, Zakia. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.280 Listening to X, it really brings back memories from stories 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.800 that you've told me about your upbringing and your experience 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.280 at Hampton because you grew up in Greensboro, so you 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.559 were near an HBCU. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.720 Yes, what ex is saying resonates so much with me 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 because I grew up in Greensboro, and that's where North 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.800 Carolina A and T is, and it's where Bennett College is, 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.000 which is a women's HBCU. It's a huge university town. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.160 I was talking to somebody and I was saying, Hey, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.320 I know you went to A and T, but would 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.760 it be strange for me to have an A and 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.520 T sweater? And They're like, you didn't go to A 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.400 and T, But I feel like A and T raised 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.920 b Yep. When I think about my trajectory, my path 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.680 to science, I always say it started with these Saturday 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.640 academies for math and science at North Carolina A and T. Yeah, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.600 my mom was going back to school at A and 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.600 T while I was in middle school, and so Saturdays 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:00.400 I was going to these academies learning more or math 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.040 and science and doing like the SAT and psat training. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.880 And then by the time I got to high school, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.080 one of my first summer jobs was working on A 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.839 and T's campus. In the Ron McNair building, which was 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.560 named after Ron McNair, who was a black astronaut. And 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.679 my first exposure, TT was in your lane in engineering. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.400 I was doing some civil engineering stuff with the Army 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.160 Research Lab in North Carolina, A and T. And that 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.800 was like my first hands on science internship that I 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.880 was doing. Yes, you know, TT, I feel like there's 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.720 been a lot of conversation about high school students and 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.880 just people in general when it comes time to deciding, Okay, 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:34.959 yes I am going to college. Do I want to 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.160 go to an HBCU or a predominantly white institution or 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.679 IVY League. You know, I feel like we've been seeing 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:48.120 a trend towards high profile students going to HBCUs. Exactly. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.960 Travis Hunter, he was the top college recruit for the 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.400 class of twenty twenty two for football, and he chose 0:12:55.480 --> 0:13:00.000 to go to HBCU Jackson State University instead of Florida's 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.720 State University. He switched his commitment and now attending Jackson State. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.160 We talked to X about this a little bit too, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.000 because that's not a new sentiment, you know, the concern 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.880 about what does it mean if you choose an HBCU 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.520 earlier in your career, and he's heard some different arguments 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:17.520 against it as well. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.560 There's like this argument out there, it's like, oh, don't 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.160 go to an HBCU because that's not the real world. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.560 But when do you get another time to be around 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.040 your true peer group, not just age age and people 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.000 with a similar experience from you, like cultural experience for 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.600 a five year period in my life. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:38.760 And what that. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:43.280 Does is it removes, at least on that campus race. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.040 There is no Black student union, is just the student 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.800 union because we're ninety percent black, and it's just this loving, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.439 welcoming space. It's truly the definition of what a safe 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.640 space is. It gives you this confidence to know that 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.840 you can go out in the world after and truly 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.800 know who you are. When we're talking about HBCUs, we're 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.280 talking about schools that were the only schools that could 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.480 and would educate black folks when they didn't want us 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:18.200 at the other schools. For me to choose to go there, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.680 it's just something really special to me. The college experience 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.160 was the black college experience, and that's the only experience 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.960 I wanted. So I only applied to Howard fam at 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.720 the time, and I got accepted to both. You know, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.400 my brother was at Howard FAM had the five year NBA. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:34.600 I went to FAM. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.840 It was that simple and it was the best choice 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.280 of my life. Never regretted it. Loved every day I 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.920 was that even in bad days. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.080 Was special. The bonds you form. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.520 They cared like FAM's model was excellence with caring, and 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.000 that's real. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.760 Like we're gonna push you to be great, we gonna care. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.960 About you, but we're gonna hold you accountable and if 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.080 you messing up, we're gonna tell you. So I had, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.720 you know, a mom from home, doctor harp from my heart, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:00.560 like she helped me down. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:00.800 Man. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.440 It's just a special, special experience. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.200 I think we all can think back to, you know, 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.680 special people who guided us or kept us on the 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.920 right track as we were moving through our academic careers. Yes, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.760 and I always love this story that you tell about 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.120 doctor White. I met a woman. Her name was doctor 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.320 Gladys Hope Franklin White. She came to my high school 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:31.200 and she was like, Hey, I want to talk to 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.000 people that want to go to college. She wasn't an 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.560 alumna of Hampton University. If I told her what I 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.840 wanted to do, she said, have you taken the SAT 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.640 I have these Saturday classes. I mean it was very 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.520 much a community and nurturing kind of thing. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:42.080 That's right. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.000 I love that she said come to my church. The 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.080 admissions officer will be here. You can apply in person, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.440 you can tell your story, talk to them. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:49.400 Come on. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.720 And I got a full ride that day to Hampton 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.160 when I went to meet with the admissions officer. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.680 That's huge. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.840 And I had no clue. This woman was just helping me. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.840 She helped all these other people. She had helped my 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.880 friend Randy the year before. And when I actually went 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.880 to visit Hampton, I was like, Oh, Gladys Hope Franklin 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:14.600 White Hall, this is her dorm. She earned that thought 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:24.240 a lot of people in that dome. This type of 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.240 community shows up in different places. So I was able 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.440 to do admissions at a local church. But this is 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.479 no different from some of the offers to interview applicants 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.480 to do or to other schools that we get as 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:36.920 a lums. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.560 Right, Absolutely, absolutely, It's a story you hear in a 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:41.800 lot of different spaces. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.560 White folks do this all the time. Yes, the Good. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:49.680 Old Boys Club exists, and what HBCU grads and HBCU 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.640 faculty and staff do. Is just that giving people opportunity 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.960 and chances that they might not be aware about or say, hey, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:57.800 I know somebody that. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:58.320 You can talk to. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.160 They're giving you additional resource. Is that your white counterparts 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.359 are getting. We see it all the time. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.600 It just feels so special to see these folks. You know, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.159 have you ever met on any other traditional you know, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.159 PWI campus. Have you ever met the person that the 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.400 dorm is named after? Have they ever come and recruited 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.320 you and your friends? No? And that type of love 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.160 and care that is central to the hbc you experience, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.600 and I think we try to do it across the board. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.080 I've tried to bring TT into the HBCU folk. Yeah. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.280 I have my Hampton sweatshirt that now I'm afraid to 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.960 wear because I wore it in the airport because I 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.040 was going to visit a Kia. 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:40.240 It was for her birthday. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.000 I was meeting up with her and all of her 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.520 friends from Hampton, qt F the arm everybody. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.800 So I put on my Hampton sweatshirt. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.480 And I was in the airport and beautiful black woman 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.320 comes up to me and she says, I like your sweatshirt, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.239 and I said thank you. 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.840 That wasn't the right answer. I was a fraud. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.679 She knew that I did not go to Hampton and 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:09.760 I was mortified. I started sweating. I was like, sweatshirt 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.399 got so heavy, it felt like. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.280 A million pounds. In that moment, I was just like, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:14.520 someone helped me get this. 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.639 Off bulletproof vest on all of a. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.919 Sudden real And that's what it is, the HBCU experience. 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.960 People are holding you accountable. They're like, do you belong 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.480 in that Hampton shirt? Are you really a Hamptonia? And 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:30.239 there's so much nuance even from university to university, and 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.800 even when you get to a school, tt little groups 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.400 at that school. Absolutely, as we know, black people are 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.760 not a monolith, and there are lots of different types 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.200 of black folks. And you and ex told me about 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.960 your experiences on your HBCU campuses, and you're exposure to 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.120 different black upbringings and lifestyles. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.000 Most of my friends growing up came from single parent homes. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:55.920 I thought that was the norm because that was all 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.719 my friends. I went to fam I was in the 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.520 minority when it came to that. So my roommate lands 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.240 he had both his parents in the house. My boy 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:09.080 Brian both parents, Alita both parents, Erica both parents, Comal 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.040 both parents. I got this other experience and I needed that, y'all. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.560 I didn't know I needed it until I met a 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.840 whole bunch of people who had an opposite experience coming 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.239 from the black Community's a kid, what about you? 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.800 I can remember my first day coming on the campus 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:25.800 similar to you X. You know, I just thought, my 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.280 experience is my experience. This is black folks in the South. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.919 Virginia is still the South to me, right, It's true, 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:40.280 my guy. When I got there, I was like, who 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.920 are all these people dressing different? I always tell t 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.119 T because T is from PG County, and so I 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.400 always tell her the Maryland and Baltimore people are just ninjas. 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.639 They have Yeah, it was New Balances, it was Nike, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:57.200 ACG boots. There were all these little microcosms of blackness 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.520 that I didn't even know about. There were stratf cations 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:05.439 of class, socioeconomic status, exposure to different things, things that 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.879 were related to geography, language difference that you could just 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.280 pick up on and hear. Exposure to music culture just 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.679 so much, and I grew to appreciate black culture in 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.360 such a way that I hadn't experienced and hadn't appreciated before, 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.480 and so I was meeting people for the first time 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.280 from the Caribbean. One of my closest friends my first year, 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.120 she came in and she was already married. That wasn'theard 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:30.520 of to me. 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:31.440 Oh wow. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.600 One of my other exposures from Hampton is everybody I 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.040 knew up until then what I considered to be middle 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.800 class or doing well. When I got to Hampton, I 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:46.680 met folks whose parents were in entertainment or show business 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.280 or were lawyers. And my parent is about to be 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.719 a judge. This is how we do their campaign. Like 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.439 things that I was never exposed to. People whose parents 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.280 were doctors. I didn't know anybody who was a doctor 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.679 before that. Just meeting other people who look like you 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.119 and it opened the world of possibility for me. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:07.080 I totally agree. 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.359 You see somebody that looked like they could be your 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:10.679 uncle or your dad. 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.000 That's big to see. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.200 That at like seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty years old. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.479 Right, So it contributes to the if you can see it, 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.120 you can be it mentality. 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.080 So I've heard a lot. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:27.000 Of things about life on campus at HBCUs, some things 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.240 like dress. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.560 Codes, curfews and things like that. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.200 I really wanted to know more about that. 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:36.240 Hampton had a lot of rules our first year. We 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.800 couldn't have a car as a freshman. Yeah, it was 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.840 in by like nine or eleven or something like. You 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:43.840 need to be in the dorm and we didn't have 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.600 co ed dorms. We didn't either, and we had a 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.160 dorm mother or a father somebody who stayed in the dorm. 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.000 And our dorm mother, her name was mssus Charity and Titi. 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.240 You remember, on my birthday we recorded a video message 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.639 for my dorm mother, whom we all still keep in 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.600 touch with all these years later. And so there was 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.679 just this feeling of community and you got in trouble. 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.000 You would not appear as a Hampton University student on 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.480 the news. You would appear as a former Hampton University 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.480 student and they would call it outlive because you would 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:11.800 be stilled by five pm. 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:12.360 That's real. 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:13.639 It was very strict, you know. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.880 One of the things that famed the dorms were separated, 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.919 so if you went to visit a girl, you couldn't 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:22.800 go past the lobby and when you stepped in the 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.520 building you had to give an ID sign in and 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.600 be approved, and all you could do was sit in 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.280 the lobby and it was doors that would lock on 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:33.879 either side of the lobby. 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:35.240 Yeah, ain't no sneaky links. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.920 No sneaky links is real. Nah, it ain't going down. 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.919 And you see all these guys lined up on the 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.600 stairs like waiting for the girl they want to talk to. 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.120 I just remember hearing stories about people sneaking people into 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.000 the dorms. That's not happening with the girls doring, but 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:52.359 it was a way to do it in Sampson Hall. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.879 Where I stayed. Another story for another day. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.200 Okay, so that's curfew. What about dress code? 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:05.879 Talking about dress, going to the School of Business and 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.520 Industry SBI, there were certain dress that we had to 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.720 wear for certain events. We had to wear a certain 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.320 dress code on certain days. Blue suit for men, not 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:20.000 black blue or power gray. It was teaching us how 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.120 to be ready for the corporate world. And it'd be like, listen, 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:24.720 you're going to get judged on the way you look, 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.520 So do you want to get discriminated against because you 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.959 don't know the proper dress and the proper etiquette in 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.800 the business environment, Because you already got certain things to 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.000 deal with as black folks, we're going to go in 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:37.119 there and we're going to be dope. 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.080 Absolutely. I remember receiving something in the mail that said, 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.440 you need to have a black pant or skirt suit. 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.520 You need to have a white dress. That was for convocation. 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.840 There's a building on campus called Ogden Hall, and there's 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.080 a circle in front of it, and there's, first of all, 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.080 some superstition that you don't walk across the grass in 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.560 Ogden Circle or you won't graduate on time. But the 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.400 way they told us, this is how you dressed when 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.520 you come to Ogden Hall. This was like our auditorium. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.520 So when people were describing a tire for events, it 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.240 would say you wear your Ogden's Best. 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:08.960 I like that. 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.200 Two different things, right, I'm coming to my Ougden's Best. Yes, 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.760 we knew what we were supposed to have on. And 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.359 you just got used to dressing up. You got used 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.440 to being comfortable in those clothes. If it's your turn 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.680 to present in class, you're dressing up. You're not presenting 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:24.520 in your jeans. Not happening. 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.760 I presented them pajamas. What was wrong with me? You know, 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.520 why wouldn't you think these people are important people? Clearly 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.840 their professors why wouldn't you try and impress them? 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.960 And you've seen this in person. TT Remember when we 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.640 went to a and T gave that to. 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.800 Everyone was so impressive. Folks came in their Ogden's best okay, 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.960 and they were ready. First of all, when folks would 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.320 stand up, everyone knew the exact spill to give. 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:50.679 To introduce themselves. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.440 So they would say their name, they would say what 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.800 year they were, they would say where they were from, 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.679 and then they would proceed with their question. 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.440 That's right. We would talk that good afternoon. I'm Xavier Journigan. 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.320 I am a fourth year NBA student from Daytona Beach, Florida. 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.560 Same thing we got taught that in SBI. I was 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.240 like week one. Oh you know what else? Two handshakes. 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.360 We got taught how to do handshakes, look at each 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.480 other in the eye, and then do that with the introduction. 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:15.000 As well. 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.920 As a freshman, we had to go around with a notebook. 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.280 It was called a nothing book and you carried it 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.840 around your first semester and you had to have upper 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.119 classmen sign it. But you had to go up to 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.159 them and give the proper introduction. They'll correct you if 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.200 the handshake was wrong. Like no, you do it like this, Okay, 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.119 try it again, and once you got it right, then 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:34.800 they would sign your nothing book. And you had to 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:38.360 get three signatures the week for like the whole first semester, 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.200 so you had to go up to professors to upper. 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.520 Classmen, wow, until you got it down. 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.359 We didn't have a book like that. But there was 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.280 something very similar about this culture of each one teach 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:53.080 one right, the upper classes looking out, and everybody had 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.400 like big brothers and big sisters, like folks who moved 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.359 out for you and your crew told you what you 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.119 needed to be doing, like these are the classes you 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.000 should take, here's who you should talk to. 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:02.880 That's right. 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.479 There's a class where you learn all the presidents of 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.280 the school before if you had to learn that, we 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.400 had to learn our alma mater. We had to learn 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.200 the Negro national anthem. We sung the Negro national anthem before. 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.040 Every form and forum was like a big thing on 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:21.160 Tuesdays and Thursdays where a big executive from a company, 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:25.160 for example, Ken Chenault from AMX came down a bunch 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:25.480 of people. 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:26.720 This was every week. 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.840 They'd give a speech and a student would introduce them, 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.239 and then we had to ask questions for grades. So 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.280 I go into Corporate America, I had the confidence to 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:36.600 ask CEO's questions. 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:37.359 Yes. 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.800 So we would have mock dinners and we would have 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:44.000 receptions where different companies would come in that have relationships 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:45.560 with FAM and SBI. 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.640 We're going to know how to move in these rooms, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:48.720 and you're going to. 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.960 Know how to dress and what proper fork to use 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:52.800 when you're at dinner. 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.600 That was so special and so important. 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.320 So when you had your interviews and did your internships, 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.239 you were really confident there. 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:01.879 And I carry a lot of that with me today. 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:06.320 And there's also just so much culture around being the 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.680 product of an HBCU, so like different songs you sing 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.120 and poems, to know just all kinds of stuff like that. 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.760 You also get that education too, and it's so valuable, 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.520 and I think we see more and more people appreciating 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.639 that as they learn that that's part of the HBCU experience. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.440 We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll have much 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:46.800 more with x when we get back. And we're back, 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.720 let's jump into our deep dive with guest expert Xavier 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:54.240 Journegan on HBCUs. So, my next question is about HBCUs 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.680 in the media X. I know that you have mentioned 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.280 school days and how important that was to you, and 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.320 we also talked a little bit about a Different World, 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:07.000 which I was absolutely fascinated by growing up and watching that. 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.480 I binge watched a Different World again and it just 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.680 gets better and better with age, and it really highlights 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.960 another point that you and Zekey were making about the 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:20.159 nuance of blackness. Do you feel like all of the 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.320 different TV shows that are set at HBCUs are accurate 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.439 in their depiction of HBCU culture. 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:27.840 I was so fortunate. 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.560 One of my favorite interviews so far that I've done 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.760 on The Get Up is I got to sit down 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:39.120 with Evatt Lee Bowser Goat. She created Living Single, the 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:44.040 first Black woman to create a network sitcom. Friends took 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.520 that archetype. Sex and the City took that archetype. She 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.920 was a writer and a producer on a Different World. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.280 I thought A Different World totally nailed it. I experienced 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.280 that as a little kid. Then I went to FAM 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.840 and then my appreciation for a Different World went on 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.960 another level because it was just like, Yo, they really 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:03.680 got that right. 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.840 I heard that a Different World was based off of Hampton. 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:06.840 Is that true? 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.920 I think it was an amalgamation of a few schools. 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.600 I think it was like, I know, it was Spelman's 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.840 campus that they shot, like the exterior scenes like when 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.520 they show a campus, but the fictitious school, Hellman, was 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.280 actually in Virginia and they would go to DC sometimes. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.240 Yes, when I think about it, I feel like every 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.960 show from our time really depicts it well. I feel 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.760 like I have a friend that fits every one of 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.719 those types of characters. And I think about shows like 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:36.120 Martin where people are wearing HBC es gear and stuff. 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:40.520 Like living single, it feels like that people are still friends. 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.360 You meet other people's friends from college. It's all this connectedness. 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.440 So at Hampton, we had two cafeterias. 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:47.960 We did too. We did too. 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.280 One was the big main cafeteria, and on the other 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.560 side of the kitchen for that cafeteria was a smaller 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.520 seating area that they called the little calf Okay, so 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.120 they're connected. They were connected, but they were only connected 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.200 by the kitchen. So they had different entrances and stuff. Okay, 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.880 And it's just so crazy to me that different HBCUs 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.280 they find the smallest things to claim and represent. It's 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.280 not just oh, I went to this school. It's not 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:12.640 just oh I was this kind of major. Oh I 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.400 was in this dorm. It's also like I'm team Little Calf. 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.320 I saw Justin Tinsley who graduated from Hampton and he's 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:23.600 a writer. He just did that great podcast with Nipsey Hustle, Yes, 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.280 the thirty for thirty. Yes, he was tweeting and he 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.080 said team Little Calf, and it just brought back so 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.480 many memories when I saw it, because me, I'm team 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:32.040 Big Calf. 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.800 Okay, then we're Team Big Calf. Was there difference in 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:36.240 the food. 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.040 The vibes are totally different, Like one of them might 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.080 have had a waffle station on Sundays, or they opened 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.120 at different times, like the Big Calf opened at four pm. 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.560 I was opening up with the people. I'm like, let 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.920 me help you push these chairs in and get ready. 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:53.800 I wanted to right then. It was like clicks right. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.160 There were always these older people who were like, now, baby, 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:57.840 you don't need to be eating this. You've been having 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.240 Corby's cash every day. That's not good for you. All 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.560 of this stuff it just felt so true to my 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.360 singular experience and now realizing it's true across all these 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.920 experiences and really what I'm trying to say is that 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.120 the portrayals of the HBCU experience that I see on 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:17.040 television feel realistic to me because they capture some of 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.640 this nuance even on a different world. The importance of 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:20.360 mister Gaines. 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:24.600 Yes, he was so important a pillar in that community, 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.680 and that was very real. Mister Gaines was the cafeteria man. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.320 He was one of the cooks for the cafeteria. I 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.320 think he was the head cook. And then some of 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.360 the students would work for him, and he gave really 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.920 great advice. He was very funny and he was critical. 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.640 And they began to realize that it's kind of true 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.440 across all these different experiences regards of which HBCU you 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.280 went to, it's like, hmm, they really nailed it. 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:52.200 Yes, sk there's this universal experience which bonds all of 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.440 us that went to HBCUs. And you know, we'll say 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.440 HBCU pride, we'll shout that out, and we'll try to go. 0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:58.640 To each other's homecomings. 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.520 I remember when Hour and Fam played in DC. We 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:04.480 took a trip up to DC, so I hung with 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.920 my brother and then one time he came down and 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.440 surprised me and hung with me and my friends at FAM, 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:16.080 which was like one of my all time favorite memories. 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.920 And just hearing X talk about going to other people's 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:29.880 football games, that makes me think about homecoming and what 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:33.200 we all know. I don't care where you went to school. 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:40.360 You know that HBCU homecomings are different. Okay, they're built different. 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.560 Okay, let's talk about it because it is something special 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:44.960 to me. 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:49.240 People care first and foremost, we care about homecoming. My 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.560 understanding that pwis people don't really care about homecoming is 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:53.280 just a regular game. 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.360 I have literally never gone back to homecoming. 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:57.120 Right. We make plans. 0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.680 Yeah, you're in advance, like you're going to homecom You're 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.840 going home when the football schedule is released that day, 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:07.200 we're booking rooms. It's like that serious and man, just 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:11.719 to be there on campus again with the outfits, all 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:13.960 the FAM gear, because any FAM event you're going to 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.520 have a sea of orange green. Ain't nobody got school 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.239 pride like FAM, I'm telling y'all. And you go and 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.080 you actually go see your professors, you email them before 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.640 you go down. Like doctor Harper, who I mentioned earlier, 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.479 she retired. I went and saw doctor Harper and we 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.240 both were like tearing up sitting there. 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.760 Talking like it's that special? How is it there? Zakia? 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.240 I think back to five and six year olds Akida 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.800 marching in the homecoming parade at A and T with 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.080 my little thing's troop. Okay, I think about tailgating on 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.080 Sullivan Street and hanging out at my aunt's house down 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.360 the street from the stadium. Hampton felt a little different 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:50.840 for me right when I was there. I didn't care 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.120 about the football team. I wasn't particularly in love with 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.080 the homecoming experience at Hampton, which maybe like taboo to say, 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.760 because I was always going back to North Carolina for 0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:03.440 the homecoming experience at A and T right, which is 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:05.480 known now is the greatest homecoming on earth. 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:14.120 That's the biggest marketing again because it's it's it's it's 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:14.640 a farce. 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:27.799 Stop it, stop it, Aggie's. And So I went to 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:32.000 the predominantly black high school in Greensboro, which is down 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:33.480 the street from A and T, which they used to 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.840 call a little tea where the marching band culture was 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.640 really big. So the homecoming for high school would often 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:43.200 be that Friday, and then it's A and T Homecoming Saturday, right, 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.520 So people would show up at my high school homecoming. 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:48.839 The old heads would come back and they're trying to 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.800 out cheer in out march the current high school students. 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:55.800 And so for me, it's always been going back seeing 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.840 my friends and family in Greensboro. I would bring my 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.120 college friends with me from Hampton to come down and 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.840 experience this. We would hang out all night on Friday. 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.640 We would be coming into the house late, but at 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.879 seventh my mom was coming and knocking on that door, 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.839 like everybody ready to go to the parade. So y'are 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.560 getting up to go early morning, early morning to the parade, 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.080 and you're out there all day, tailgating, walking around. Who 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.960 knows where you park your car, You're probably blocked in. 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:23.759 You're going to be there all day. People are riding 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.040 up and down High Point Road all these places near 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.920 the campus, and you're just running into people tailgating and 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.000 the smells, the sounds generators going. People were selling those 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.040 mixed CDs. You can hear the game in the background. 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:35.520 I never really went to the game, but I would 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.080 always hear cheering. I mean, it's a roar because there 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.880 are so many people and older folks coming back and 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:42.960 asking you what you're doing with your life? How can 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:44.960 they help you. What do you want to do next? 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:49.480 It is such a communal affair. Everybody there is rooting 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:50.359 for everybody else. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.120 I totally agree. 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.239 They used to have huge concerts Saturday night. 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.120 Of course. Of course, I remember my. 0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.720 First homecoming concert I went to. It was Rough Riders. 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.400 DMX was there, jay Z was there. It was the 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.279 hard knock Life tour coming through and hearing those things 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.279 on the radio leading up to it. It is just excitement. 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.200 It is celebration in this truest sense. 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.200 So y'all have given us a little bit of background 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.160 on the sites, but let's get into the sound of Homecoming. 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.360 Tell me about the bands. 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.480 Yeah, so you got the guys with the flags, so 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:33.000 the flag core. They go hard, they throw them flags 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.880 down and get to pop in Florida style because we 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.040 grew up on booty Shake in the state. 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:39.560 To hear mentioned the base. 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.800 But bass culture and car culture is everything, especially Daytona 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.720 like home and NASCAR birthplace of auto racing. The drum majors, 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:49.640 I think it's seven of them, and it was the 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.520 first female drum major a couple of years ago, so 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.080 that was a big deal. And she showed out. Now 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.719 the band on the field. You know, they got this 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.239 fast march that fam you is known for, and it's 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:04.640 like a billion of them on the field. They're the 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.760 march and one hundred, But that's a misnomer. It's literally 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.040 like four hundred of them guys out on the field. 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.440 But they're gonna play the contemporary music. 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.400 I was watching a game on ESPN and they played 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.279 Leave the Door Open, Bruno Mars and Silk Sign. 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:27.680 I saw this right, you saw that. 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.520 Oh at the end of their performance, they somehow in 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.400 a formation formed. 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.400 A stick figure with the basketball. 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.840 Dunking it in a hoop. They did this on the field, 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:41.640 and you knew exactly what they were doing. It was 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.239 the illest thing I've ever seen in my life with 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:45.120 a marching band. 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.480 Do you remember Battle of the Bands? Of course, used 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:56.520 to go to Battle of the Bands and the bands 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.160 show up. I don't even feel like DRUMLND really captured it. 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:00.160 It didn't quite get it. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:05.120 Yeah it was. They tried intense, y'all. 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:07.880 But they'll also play classics because they're not trying to 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.040 forget the people who came back parents. They want to 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.160 play music from your time too. So everybody's singing along, 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:19.240 everybody's standing. So at PWY homecomings or football games, halftime, 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.799 that's when you go use the bathroom, go eat, get 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:23.040 that third. 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:24.120 So this is the truth. 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.359 First quarter, super Pack, everybody's in the stands because it's 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.320 the beginning of the game. Then by halfway through the 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.000 first quarter, the only people who's staying are the people 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.359 who really care about the game. Everybody else is going 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:38.080 below the stands to walk around on the stadium seeing 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.560 people showing off your outfit. It's a day outfit, and 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.000 then you're gonna change clothes for to go out later on. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.840 But by halftime, you have your butt in your seat 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.880 and everybody standing. We call it corner to corner, like 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.759 every corner of the stadium field, and it's beautiful because 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.400 it's just a sea of black people all on one 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.239 accord and the band's playing we got a chant and 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:05.080 it's fan Dam you Fam you fam goddang you all right, 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.600 all right, all right, everybody's just singing the songs they'll 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:10.920 hype and then so if the band kills it right, 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.200 they break it down. They just basically throw their instruments 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:17.200 down and just start popping and dancing like then they 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.080 pick up the instruments, they go off the field. But 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.080 the last people off the field with the marching one 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.360 hundred are the tuba players, and they form a line 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.120 like a snake coming. 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:27.560 Off the field. 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.000 Literally all the two was jumping the air and d 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.040 on the split at the end like Domino's. But the 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.239 last tuba gets to show out and spin around and 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.319 everybody's like he and it's the dopest thing. So when 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.520 the tuba player goes up in the air and goes 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.200 down into the split, the whole crowd goes oooo. Everybody 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.400 says that in unison. And this is one thing too 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:48.760 that I gotta tell you all about the one hundred. 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.000 When they march off the field at the end of 0:39:51.000 --> 0:40:10.880 their performance, they always play good times. 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.480 So that's what they march off the field on. It's like, 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:12.960 everybody gets it. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.600 It's just the most special thing you've ever seen in 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:16.879 your life, and it's nothing like it. 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:18.399 I just love it. 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.120 If you are not sad about missing homecoming after hearing 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.319 X describe that you have no heart, you've never known 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:30.480 your soul, never have fun of your life. 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.880 That's right, dude, never ever ever. Oh my gosh, I 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:35.520 love everything about it. 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.120 So thinking about all of this stuff all of this 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.640 is part of the experience, and it makes me reflect 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.719 on what it means to be a product of an HBCU. 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:57.120 Yes, there's just a certain Jennesse Qua about people who 0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:01.040 have graduated from an HBCU. There's a certain confidence, a 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:05.560 level of intelligence, just a swag about them that's just different. 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.200 And so I want you guys to kind of just 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.960 talk about some of the great people from your institutions 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:15.120 or just from HBCUs in general that have been really 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.400 impactful on your lives and just what that means to 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.640 both of you to be the product of an HBCU. 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.839 Yeah, it's like a lineage that you're just so proud of, right, Zee, Right, Yeah. 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:27.919 Of course, if they go to FAM, I'm super hype 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.160 about that. But if they went to an HBCU and 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.320 they making noise, I go crazy. 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:43.360 Yes, clap it up for me. It really feels like 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.960 the people who are in my class and the class 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:51.320 above me. I am still in awe of my peers. Okay, yes, 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.719 and TT knows some of my friends, and I'm like, 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:58.480 all are killing the game. Doctors, lawyer, everybody's doing something. 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.560 Because now we're at the stage where you're starting to 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.600 see people pivot and you're like, yo, I didn't know 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.399 you could do that. My friend and her husband both 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.480 went to Hampton and Kia, who went to grad school 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.600 with us. When they've built this huge real estate vacation 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.239 rental home empire, I'm like, girl, when did you learn 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:18.239 this interior design? Kea has a PhD in the sciences. 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:23.319 Yes, anesthesiology, she said, no, sucception pain, and now she's 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.320 telling real estate you're taking these places. 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:29.839 I'm like, you're about to be competab with Airbnb. When 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.200 I got to Atlanta, I asked one of my really 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:33.880 close friends from high school. I said, who do I 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:35.600 need to know in Atlanta and who should I be helping? 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.719 He's like, this is my homeboy from more House. He's 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.320 running for city council. Here's somebody else, Board of education. 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.160 Like you feel so proud of these folks. I feel 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.640 so excited to say I know them. They went to 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:48.080 a HBCU And we should spend our dollars here right 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.319 giving back to folks who are trying to make these 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:53.040 things happen. How do you support the people who are 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.480 out here trying to do it and people are saying 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.520 dope labs, So you got no dope labs, just off 0:42:58.520 --> 0:42:59.880 the strength that I went to a HBCU. 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:00.839 Same with the get Up. 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.879 We got a really big audience and the show's doing 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.799 really great. But the fact that I get to be 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.839 the current day representation of somebody who went to an 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.080 HBCU and it's. 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:12.719 Just proud of that. 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:17.319 And I bring those stories into the Showyne Wayne, thank 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:19.120 you and you were on the show. T t U 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.480 been on the show. But like for us to be 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.720 able to represent that. I talk about my boy, Brian Price. 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.640 I brag on him all the time. He's this dope 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:32.520 marketing media exec in Lance, my college roommate from South Chicago. 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.000 He built the parachute on the Mars Rover. He did 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:36.680 the parachute. 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.360 Call him right now. I have questions. 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.080 I now have people who are like, yo, my kid 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.480 wants to go to FAM. Literally today I got a 0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.919 text and she texted me and was like, my seven 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.040 ten year old niece listen to The Get Up for 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:05.000 the first time yesterday and loved it. She's looking at 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:08.799 HBCUs fam use on her list. Can you come meet 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.240 with us and talk to her about FAM. 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:15.279 I was like, We're doing it next week. That's important. 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.960 My friend's daughter. She's in her first semester at FAM. 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.359 They stopped through Brooklyn on the way. I brought her 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.880 to FAM Hoodies like top of the line exclusive joints here. 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.560 Let me get you right, and when I go down there, 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.720 I'm taking you out to dinner. And I got kids 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:31.200 that ask me, can. 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.600 You give me some FAM gear? Yes? I will. I'm 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.120 telling you all. It touches me. It like makes me 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:36.080 tear up every time. 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:39.480 That's real. It just makes me think back my first 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.759 year of grad school. I'm the grad school counselor for 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:44.160 the summer program for students who are interested in science. 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.839 So we're at Duke and I have a young man 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:51.240 who went to Western Salem State. He is like, huh, 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.120 deer in the headlights? What do I do? This? And 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.799 that him and another young woman from Wiston Salem State, 0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.920 and to see them both become professors now in the SI. 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.479 He's a professor at Vanderbilt. She's a professor at Bowne State. 0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:05.759 Our family reunion used to have this saying, let the 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:09.040 circle be unbroken, right, we just feeding into each other 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.400 and let it expand. Right, t T get on in 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.160 this circle. You're in here, you got your hands. You 0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:14.960 in here, you and. 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.719 Thank you, thank you very much. I'm gonna do my 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.160 best to represent well. 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.799 Yeah, it's looking out for the next generation, showing them 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.279 it's good to be proud. We're just like you wear Nike. 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.920 We're this like onebody wearing those yell sweatshirts. 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.480 Okay, and you can be a part of this. 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.040 We're gonna pull you in, We're gonna tell you about it, 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:33.840 and we're gonna make a way for you to be 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.200 able to do that. Is one of my greatest joys 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:37.200 in my life right now. 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:37.839 I love it. 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.600 I really love this conversation. I love hearing about both 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:44.719 of your experiences. I should have went to Hampton. Thank 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:49.200 you both so much for sharing all of this. It's 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:51.719 been heartwarming just to be able to sit back and 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:52.760 just listen to you guys. 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:53.920 Talk about this my honor. 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:58.200 Y'all know I've been a Day one Dope Labs fan listener. 0:45:58.400 --> 0:45:58.960 Yes you have. 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:00.800 And I'm proud of what y'all really. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:04.160 I'm proud of how y'all represent for black women and 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:07.680 for your varied experiences. Because one thing I do talk 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.880 about is I don't like if somebody that went to 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:15.600 an HBCU tries to invalidate the experience of somebody that 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:19.640 went to a PWI. All of these experiences are valid. 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:23.440 So I'm glad that you have two dope women on 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.200 this show that represent both sides and the commonality because 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:30.040 there's merit and value and all of it. 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:31.400 That's the beauty of our people. 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.120 All right, tt, it's time for one thing. I'm so excited. 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.960 What's your one thing? Z Well, we've kind of already 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.759 talked about my one thing in the episode, and if 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.759 you follow me on social media, I've shared it too. 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:59.160 My one thing is Corine DeMarco. This is a brand 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:03.360 that produces is HBCU apparel, and I love their sweaters. 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.319 That's where I got the sweater that t T talks 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.760 about wearing and pretending that she was a Hampton alum. 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.040 I am a big fan of this brand, So please 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.959 go support this small brand that's putting out great HBCU gear. 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:19.760 That's Corinda Marco c O R I N D E 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:23.399 M A r c O dot com. My one thing 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.680 is Corinda Marco perfect. 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:26.759 Ha ha. 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.640 That's it for Lab fifty one. What'd you think? Did 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.399 you learn something new about HBCUs call us at two 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.799 O two five sixty seven seven zero two eight and 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:45.960 tell us what you thought or if you have an 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.160 idea for a lab we should do this semester. Tell 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.319 us that too. We really love hearing from you. That's 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.000 two O two five six seven seven zero two eight. 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:55.360 And don't forget there's so much more for you to 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.919 dig into on our website. There'll be a cheat cheat 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.799 there for today's lab and additional links and resources in 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:03.520 the show notes. Plus, you can sign up for our newsletter, 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:07.080 so check it out at Dope labspodcast dot com. 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