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Speaker 1: School is back in session, and you know what that means.

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Speaker 1: Homecoming is right around the corner, and nobody does homecomings

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Speaker 1: like historically Black colleges and Universities or HBCUs. Zakiah went

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Speaker 1: to Hampton University, so she knows all about it. So

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Speaker 1: this week we're throwing back to a past episode where

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Speaker 1: we did the science of HBCUs. It was a special

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Speaker 1: episode because we had one of our favorites, Xavier Jernigan,

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Speaker 1: who is the Spotify DJ and a fam you alum,

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Speaker 1: What an.

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Speaker 2: HBCU means to me is friendship.

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Speaker 1: So I met them in two thousand and three and

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Speaker 1: what is it twenty twenty one?

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Speaker 3: So lifelong a frenticships, That's what it means to me.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I think at HBCU was a nurture and

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Speaker 4: environment that puts US African Americans in a great spot,

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Speaker 4: especially when we go into our endeavors. Whatever your career

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Speaker 4: may be, it's that you up for success.

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Speaker 5: Do it.

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Speaker 6: How you guys doing. I am Timothy McDonald. I am

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Speaker 6: a senior chemical engineering major from Baltimore, Maryland, and I

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Speaker 6: have the pleasure of serving as a forty fourth mister

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Speaker 6: Howard University, being on campus is the epitome of black excellence.

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Speaker 6: I would say, being surrounded by people not only of

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Speaker 6: black minds, but black minds who are willing to challenge you.

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Speaker 6: That's something that I hadn't faced in high school. I

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Speaker 6: went to a majority white high school, right, and I

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Speaker 6: And once I came to Howard, I knew that it

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Speaker 6: was home. I knew that it was the place I

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Speaker 6: though we have been in a pandemic and it's been hard,

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Speaker 6: now that we're back and it feels like, you know,

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Speaker 6: just an outpour of good times vibes and just being

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Speaker 6: around black people. It's like a cookout, right, but all

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Speaker 6: day every day. So that's something I'm really enjoyed. So

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Speaker 6: our chant is something that you got to learn, which

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Speaker 6: is at you. You know, that's something you do maybe

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Speaker 6: a thousand times in the first week alone. So that

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Speaker 6: to sixty six and they're gonna know hu, you know, right,

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Speaker 6: So it's that chance that we hold near and dear

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Speaker 6: to all heart, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much.

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Speaker 7: No problem, No problem.

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Speaker 3: I'm t T and I'm Zakiyah and from Spotify.

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Speaker 2: This is Dope Labs.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that makes it

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Speaker 3: hardcore science, pop culture, and a healthy dose of friendship. Okay, Zekiah,

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Speaker 3: I have a question for you. Shoot. What do Spike, Lee,

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Speaker 1: Dubois, Thirdgood Marshall, Jerry, Rice, Felicia, and Debbie Allen all

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Speaker 3: Fantasy dinner wishless.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but also they all went to historically black colleges

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Speaker 1: and universities. So HBCUs yes, And that's right on time

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Speaker 1: because it's Black History Month and this week we're focusing

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Speaker 3: We're covering everything from history to homecoming. We're delving right

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Speaker 3: into the HBCU experience. You know, HBCUs have been in

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Speaker 3: the news, they've been in the media. We've seen them

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Speaker 3: So remember in DC at Howard we saw some folks protesting, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I feel like we're seeing positive things,

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Speaker 3: But I think there's still a lot to celebrate about

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Speaker 3: There are just over one hundred HBCUs in the United States,

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Speaker 1: Another thing that we know is that HBCUs play a

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Speaker 3: Yes, as a matter of fact, about twenty seven percent

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, in my field of engineering, forty six

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to focus on a couple things, friendship

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Speaker 3: We said three things, but I couldn't stop.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to have our friend Xavier Journegan

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Speaker 7: I'm Xavier Journegan.

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Speaker 8: Everybody calls me x I'm the host of The Get Up,

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Speaker 8: You rattler, I bleed Arnge and Green.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I said it, Arnge in Green.

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Speaker 1: Choosing a college, if you decide to go to college,

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Speaker 3: We asked X to tell us why he chose an

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Speaker 8: My hometown, Daytona is an HBCU city, so I grew

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Speaker 7: Now. I do think that's a big part of it,

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Speaker 1: Listening to X, it really brings back memories from stories

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, he was the top college recruit for the

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Speaker 8: But when do you get another time to be around

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Speaker 7: And what that.

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Speaker 8: It was that simple and it was the best choice

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Speaker 8: They cared like FAM's model was excellence with caring, and

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Speaker 7: Like we're gonna push you to be great, we gonna care.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 7: It's just a special, special experience.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 3: I love that she said come to my church. The

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Speaker 7: Come on.

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Speaker 3: And I got a full ride that day to Hampton

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Speaker 7: That's huge.

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Speaker 3: And I had no clue. This woman was just helping me.

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Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, absolutely, It's a story you hear in a

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Speaker 3: White folks do this all the time. Yes, the Good.

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Speaker 1: Old Boys Club exists, and what HBCU grads and HBCU

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Speaker 1: They're giving you additional resource. Is that your white counterparts

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Speaker 3: It just feels so special to see these folks. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have my Hampton sweatshirt that now I'm afraid to

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Speaker 7: Off bulletproof vest on all of a.

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Speaker 3: Sudden real And that's what it is, the HBCU experience.

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Speaker 3: People are holding you accountable. They're like, do you belong

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Speaker 3: there's so much nuance even from university to university, and

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Speaker 8: Most of my friends growing up came from single parent homes.

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Speaker 8: I didn't know I needed it until I met a

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Speaker 3: I can remember my first day coming on the campus

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Speaker 7: Oh wow.

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Speaker 7: I totally agree.

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Speaker 8: You see somebody that looked like they could be your

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Speaker 1: Right, So it contributes to the if you can see it,

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Speaker 3: So I've heard a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of things about life on campus at HBCUs, some things

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to know more about that.

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Speaker 3: Hampton had a lot of rules our first year. We

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Speaker 7: That's real.

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Speaker 3: It was very strict, you know.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that famed the dorms were separated,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ain't no sneaky links.

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Speaker 7: No sneaky links is real. Nah, it ain't going down.

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Speaker 8: I just remember hearing stories about people sneaking people into

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Speaker 7: Where I stayed. Another story for another day.

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Speaker 8: Talking about dress, going to the School of Business and

440
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Speaker 8: Industry SBI, there were certain dress that we had to

441
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Speaker 8: wear for certain events. We had to wear a certain

442
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Speaker 8: dress code on certain days. Blue suit for men, not

443
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Speaker 8: black blue or power gray. It was teaching us how

444
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Speaker 8: to be ready for the corporate world. And it'd be like, listen,

445
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 8: you're going to get judged on the way you look,

446
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 8: So do you want to get discriminated against because you

447
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 8: don't know the proper dress and the proper etiquette in

448
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Speaker 8: the business environment, Because you already got certain things to

449
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Speaker 8: deal with as black folks, we're going to go in

450
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Speaker 8: there and we're going to be dope.

451
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I remember receiving something in the mail that said,

452
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Speaker 3: you need to have a black pant or skirt suit.

453
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Speaker 3: You need to have a white dress. That was for convocation.

454
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Speaker 3: There's a building on campus called Ogden Hall, and there's

455
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Speaker 3: a circle in front of it, and there's, first of all,

456
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Speaker 3: some superstition that you don't walk across the grass in

457
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: Ogden Circle or you won't graduate on time. But the

458
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Speaker 3: way they told us, this is how you dressed when

459
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Speaker 3: you come to Ogden Hall. This was like our auditorium.

460
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Speaker 3: So when people were describing a tire for events, it

461
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Speaker 3: would say you wear your Ogden's Best.

462
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Speaker 7: I like that.

463
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Speaker 3: Two different things, right, I'm coming to my Ougden's Best. Yes,

464
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Speaker 3: we knew what we were supposed to have on. And

465
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: you just got used to dressing up. You got used

466
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Speaker 3: to being comfortable in those clothes. If it's your turn

467
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Speaker 3: to present in class, you're dressing up. You're not presenting

468
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Speaker 3: in your jeans. Not happening.

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Speaker 1: I presented them pajamas. What was wrong with me? You know,

470
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you think these people are important people? Clearly

471
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Speaker 1: their professors why wouldn't you try and impress them?

472
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Speaker 3: And you've seen this in person. TT Remember when we

473
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Speaker 3: went to a and T gave that to.

474
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Speaker 1: Everyone was so impressive. Folks came in their Ogden's best okay,

475
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Speaker 1: and they were ready. First of all, when folks would

476
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Speaker 1: stand up, everyone knew the exact spill to give.

477
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Speaker 3: To introduce themselves.

478
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Speaker 1: So they would say their name, they would say what

479
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Speaker 1: year they were, they would say where they were from,

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Speaker 1: and then they would proceed with their question.

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Speaker 7: That's right. We would talk that good afternoon. I'm Xavier Journigan.

482
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Speaker 8: I am a fourth year NBA student from Daytona Beach, Florida.

483
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Speaker 7: Same thing we got taught that in SBI. I was

484
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 7: like week one. Oh you know what else? Two handshakes.

485
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 8: We got taught how to do handshakes, look at each

486
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Speaker 8: other in the eye, and then do that with the introduction.

487
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 7: As well.

488
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Speaker 8: As a freshman, we had to go around with a notebook.

489
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Speaker 8: It was called a nothing book and you carried it

490
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Speaker 8: around your first semester and you had to have upper

491
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Speaker 8: classmen sign it. But you had to go up to

492
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Speaker 8: them and give the proper introduction. They'll correct you if

493
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 8: the handshake was wrong. Like no, you do it like this, Okay,

494
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 8: try it again, and once you got it right, then

495
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 8: they would sign your nothing book. And you had to

496
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Speaker 8: get three signatures the week for like the whole first semester,

497
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Speaker 8: so you had to go up to professors to upper.

498
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Speaker 7: Classmen, wow, until you got it down.

499
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Speaker 3: We didn't have a book like that. But there was

500
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Speaker 3: something very similar about this culture of each one teach

501
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: one right, the upper classes looking out, and everybody had

502
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Speaker 3: like big brothers and big sisters, like folks who moved

503
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Speaker 3: out for you and your crew told you what you

504
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: needed to be doing, like these are the classes you

505
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: should take, here's who you should talk to.

506
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Speaker 7: That's right.

507
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 8: There's a class where you learn all the presidents of

508
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Speaker 8: the school before if you had to learn that, we

509
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 8: had to learn our alma mater. We had to learn

510
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Speaker 8: the Negro national anthem. We sung the Negro national anthem before.

511
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Speaker 8: Every form and forum was like a big thing on

512
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Speaker 8: Tuesdays and Thursdays where a big executive from a company,

513
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Speaker 8: for example, Ken Chenault from AMX came down a bunch

514
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Speaker 8: of people.

515
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Speaker 7: This was every week.

516
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Speaker 8: They'd give a speech and a student would introduce them,

517
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Speaker 8: and then we had to ask questions for grades. So

518
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Speaker 8: I go into Corporate America, I had the confidence to

519
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Speaker 8: ask CEO's questions.

520
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Speaker 3: Yes.

521
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 8: So we would have mock dinners and we would have

522
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 8: receptions where different companies would come in that have relationships

523
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Speaker 8: with FAM and SBI.

524
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Speaker 7: We're going to know how to move in these rooms,

525
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 7: and you're going to.

526
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Speaker 8: Know how to dress and what proper fork to use

527
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Speaker 8: when you're at dinner.

528
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Speaker 7: That was so special and so important.

529
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Speaker 8: So when you had your interviews and did your internships,

530
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Speaker 8: you were really confident there.

531
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Speaker 7: And I carry a lot of that with me today.

532
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Speaker 3: And there's also just so much culture around being the

533
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: product of an HBCU, so like different songs you sing

534
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 3: and poems, to know just all kinds of stuff like that.

535
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: You also get that education too, and it's so valuable,

536
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: and I think we see more and more people appreciating

537
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: that as they learn that that's part of the HBCU experience.

538
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll have much

539
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Speaker 1: more with x when we get back. And we're back,

540
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Speaker 1: let's jump into our deep dive with guest expert Xavier

541
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Speaker 1: Journegan on HBCUs. So, my next question is about HBCUs

542
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Speaker 1: in the media X. I know that you have mentioned

543
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: school days and how important that was to you, and

544
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Speaker 1: we also talked a little bit about a Different World,

545
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: which I was absolutely fascinated by growing up and watching that.

546
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Speaker 1: I binge watched a Different World again and it just

547
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: gets better and better with age, and it really highlights

548
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: another point that you and Zekey were making about the

549
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: nuance of blackness. Do you feel like all of the

550
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: different TV shows that are set at HBCUs are accurate

551
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: in their depiction of HBCU culture.

552
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 7: I was so fortunate.

553
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Speaker 8: One of my favorite interviews so far that I've done

554
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 8: on The Get Up is I got to sit down

555
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 8: with Evatt Lee Bowser Goat. She created Living Single, the

556
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 8: first Black woman to create a network sitcom. Friends took

557
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 8: that archetype. Sex and the City took that archetype. She

558
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 8: was a writer and a producer on a Different World.

559
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 8: I thought A Different World totally nailed it. I experienced

560
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 8: that as a little kid. Then I went to FAM

561
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 8: and then my appreciation for a Different World went on

562
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 8: another level because it was just like, Yo, they really

563
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 8: got that right.

564
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Speaker 3: I heard that a Different World was based off of Hampton.

565
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: Is that true?

566
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 8: I think it was an amalgamation of a few schools.

567
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 8: I think it was like, I know, it was Spelman's

568
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 8: campus that they shot, like the exterior scenes like when

569
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 8: they show a campus, but the fictitious school, Hellman, was

570
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 8: actually in Virginia and they would go to DC sometimes.

571
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Speaker 3: Yes, when I think about it, I feel like every

572
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: show from our time really depicts it well. I feel

573
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: like I have a friend that fits every one of

574
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 3: those types of characters. And I think about shows like

575
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: Martin where people are wearing HBC es gear and stuff.

576
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: Like living single, it feels like that people are still friends.

577
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: You meet other people's friends from college. It's all this connectedness.

578
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: So at Hampton, we had two cafeterias.

579
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Speaker 7: We did too. We did too.

580
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Speaker 3: One was the big main cafeteria, and on the other

581
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: side of the kitchen for that cafeteria was a smaller

582
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: seating area that they called the little calf Okay, so

583
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: they're connected. They were connected, but they were only connected

584
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: by the kitchen. So they had different entrances and stuff. Okay,

585
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: And it's just so crazy to me that different HBCUs

586
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: they find the smallest things to claim and represent. It's

587
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: not just oh, I went to this school. It's not

588
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: just oh I was this kind of major. Oh I

589
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: was in this dorm. It's also like I'm team Little Calf.

590
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: I saw Justin Tinsley who graduated from Hampton and he's

591
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: a writer. He just did that great podcast with Nipsey Hustle, Yes,

592
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: the thirty for thirty. Yes, he was tweeting and he

593
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: said team Little Calf, and it just brought back so

594
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: many memories when I saw it, because me, I'm team

595
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Speaker 3: Big Calf.

596
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Speaker 1: Okay, then we're Team Big Calf. Was there difference in

597
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Speaker 1: the food.

598
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: The vibes are totally different, Like one of them might

599
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: have had a waffle station on Sundays, or they opened

600
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Speaker 3: at different times, like the Big Calf opened at four pm.

601
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Speaker 3: I was opening up with the people. I'm like, let

602
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: me help you push these chairs in and get ready.

603
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to right then. It was like clicks right.

604
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Speaker 3: There were always these older people who were like, now, baby,

605
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: you don't need to be eating this. You've been having

606
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: Corby's cash every day. That's not good for you. All

607
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: of this stuff it just felt so true to my

608
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: singular experience and now realizing it's true across all these

609
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: experiences and really what I'm trying to say is that

610
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: the portrayals of the HBCU experience that I see on

611
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: television feel realistic to me because they capture some of

612
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: this nuance even on a different world. The importance of

613
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: mister Gaines.

614
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Speaker 1: Yes, he was so important a pillar in that community,

615
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: and that was very real. Mister Gaines was the cafeteria man.

616
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Speaker 1: He was one of the cooks for the cafeteria. I

617
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: think he was the head cook. And then some of

618
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the students would work for him, and he gave really

619
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: great advice. He was very funny and he was critical.

620
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Speaker 3: And they began to realize that it's kind of true

621
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Speaker 3: across all these different experiences regards of which HBCU you

622
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: went to, it's like, hmm, they really nailed it.

623
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Speaker 8: Yes, sk there's this universal experience which bonds all of

624
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 8: us that went to HBCUs. And you know, we'll say

625
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 8: HBCU pride, we'll shout that out, and we'll try to go.

626
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 7: To each other's homecomings.

627
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Speaker 8: I remember when Hour and Fam played in DC. We

628
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 8: took a trip up to DC, so I hung with

629
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 8: my brother and then one time he came down and

630
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 8: surprised me and hung with me and my friends at FAM,

631
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 8: which was like one of my all time favorite memories.

632
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: And just hearing X talk about going to other people's

633
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: football games, that makes me think about homecoming and what

634
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: we all know. I don't care where you went to school.

635
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: You know that HBCU homecomings are different. Okay, they're built different.

636
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about it because it is something special

637
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: to me.

638
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 8: People care first and foremost, we care about homecoming. My

639
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 8: understanding that pwis people don't really care about homecoming is

640
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 8: just a regular game.

641
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: I have literally never gone back to homecoming.

642
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 7: Right. We make plans.

643
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're in advance, like you're going to homecom You're

644
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 8: going home when the football schedule is released that day,

645
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 8: we're booking rooms. It's like that serious and man, just

646
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 8: to be there on campus again with the outfits, all

647
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 8: the FAM gear, because any FAM event you're going to

648
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 8: have a sea of orange green. Ain't nobody got school

649
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 8: pride like FAM, I'm telling y'all. And you go and

650
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 8: you actually go see your professors, you email them before

651
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 8: you go down. Like doctor Harper, who I mentioned earlier,

652
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 8: she retired. I went and saw doctor Harper and we

653
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 8: both were like tearing up sitting there.

654
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 7: Talking like it's that special? How is it there? Zakia?

655
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: I think back to five and six year olds Akida

656
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: marching in the homecoming parade at A and T with

657
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: my little thing's troop. Okay, I think about tailgating on

658
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: Sullivan Street and hanging out at my aunt's house down

659
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: the street from the stadium. Hampton felt a little different

660
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: for me right when I was there. I didn't care

661
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: about the football team. I wasn't particularly in love with

662
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: the homecoming experience at Hampton, which maybe like taboo to say,

663
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: because I was always going back to North Carolina for

664
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: the homecoming experience at A and T right, which is

665
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: known now is the greatest homecoming on earth.

666
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 7: That's the biggest marketing again because it's it's it's it's

667
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 7: a farce.

668
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: Stop it, stop it, Aggie's. And So I went to

669
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: the predominantly black high school in Greensboro, which is down

670
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: the street from A and T, which they used to

671
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: call a little tea where the marching band culture was

672
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: really big. So the homecoming for high school would often

673
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: be that Friday, and then it's A and T Homecoming Saturday, right,

674
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: So people would show up at my high school homecoming.

675
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: The old heads would come back and they're trying to

676
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: out cheer in out march the current high school students.

677
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: And so for me, it's always been going back seeing

678
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: my friends and family in Greensboro. I would bring my

679
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: college friends with me from Hampton to come down and

680
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: experience this. We would hang out all night on Friday.

681
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: We would be coming into the house late, but at

682
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: seventh my mom was coming and knocking on that door,

683
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: like everybody ready to go to the parade. So y'are

684
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: getting up to go early morning, early morning to the parade,

685
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: and you're out there all day, tailgating, walking around. Who

686
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: knows where you park your car, You're probably blocked in.

687
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: You're going to be there all day. People are riding

688
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: up and down High Point Road all these places near

689
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: the campus, and you're just running into people tailgating and

690
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: the smells, the sounds generators going. People were selling those

691
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: mixed CDs. You can hear the game in the background.

692
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: I never really went to the game, but I would

693
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: always hear cheering. I mean, it's a roar because there

694
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: are so many people and older folks coming back and

695
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: asking you what you're doing with your life? How can

696
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: they help you. What do you want to do next?

697
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: It is such a communal affair. Everybody there is rooting

698
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: for everybody else.

699
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 7: I totally agree.

700
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: They used to have huge concerts Saturday night.

701
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 7: Of course. Of course, I remember my.

702
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: First homecoming concert I went to. It was Rough Riders.

703
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: DMX was there, jay Z was there. It was the

704
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: hard knock Life tour coming through and hearing those things

705
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: on the radio leading up to it. It is just excitement.

706
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: It is celebration in this truest sense.

707
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: So y'all have given us a little bit of background

708
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: on the sites, but let's get into the sound of Homecoming.

709
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Tell me about the bands.

710
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you got the guys with the flags, so

711
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 8: the flag core. They go hard, they throw them flags

712
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 8: down and get to pop in Florida style because we

713
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 8: grew up on booty Shake in the state.

714
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 7: To hear mentioned the base.

715
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 8: But bass culture and car culture is everything, especially Daytona

716
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 8: like home and NASCAR birthplace of auto racing. The drum majors,

717
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 8: I think it's seven of them, and it was the

718
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 8: first female drum major a couple of years ago, so

719
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 8: that was a big deal. And she showed out. Now

720
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 8: the band on the field. You know, they got this

721
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 8: fast march that fam you is known for, and it's

722
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 8: like a billion of them on the field. They're the

723
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 8: march and one hundred, But that's a misnomer. It's literally

724
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 8: like four hundred of them guys out on the field.

725
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 7: But they're gonna play the contemporary music.

726
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 8: I was watching a game on ESPN and they played

727
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 8: Leave the Door Open, Bruno Mars and Silk Sign.

728
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 7: I saw this right, you saw that.

729
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 8: Oh at the end of their performance, they somehow in

730
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 8: a formation formed.

731
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 7: A stick figure with the basketball.

732
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 8: Dunking it in a hoop. They did this on the field,

733
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 8: and you knew exactly what they were doing. It was

734
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 8: the illest thing I've ever seen in my life with

735
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 8: a marching band.

736
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: Do you remember Battle of the Bands? Of course, used

737
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: to go to Battle of the Bands and the bands

738
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: show up. I don't even feel like DRUMLND really captured it.

739
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: It didn't quite get it.

740
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 7: Yeah it was. They tried intense, y'all.

741
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 8: But they'll also play classics because they're not trying to

742
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 8: forget the people who came back parents. They want to

743
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 8: play music from your time too. So everybody's singing along,

744
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 8: everybody's standing. So at PWY homecomings or football games, halftime,

745
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 8: that's when you go use the bathroom, go eat, get

746
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 8: that third.

747
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 7: So this is the truth.

748
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 8: First quarter, super Pack, everybody's in the stands because it's

749
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 8: the beginning of the game. Then by halfway through the

750
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 8: first quarter, the only people who's staying are the people

751
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 8: who really care about the game. Everybody else is going

752
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 8: below the stands to walk around on the stadium seeing

753
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 8: people showing off your outfit. It's a day outfit, and

754
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 8: then you're gonna change clothes for to go out later on.

755
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 8: But by halftime, you have your butt in your seat

756
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 8: and everybody standing. We call it corner to corner, like

757
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 8: every corner of the stadium field, and it's beautiful because

758
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 8: it's just a sea of black people all on one

759
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 8: accord and the band's playing we got a chant and

760
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 8: it's fan Dam you Fam you fam goddang you all right,

761
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 8: all right, all right, everybody's just singing the songs they'll

762
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 8: hype and then so if the band kills it right,

763
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 8: they break it down. They just basically throw their instruments

764
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 8: down and just start popping and dancing like then they

765
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 8: pick up the instruments, they go off the field. But

766
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 8: the last people off the field with the marching one

767
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 8: hundred are the tuba players, and they form a line

768
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 8: like a snake coming.

769
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 7: Off the field.

770
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 8: Literally all the two was jumping the air and d

771
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 8: on the split at the end like Domino's. But the

772
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 8: last tuba gets to show out and spin around and

773
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 8: everybody's like he and it's the dopest thing. So when

774
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 8: the tuba player goes up in the air and goes

775
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 8: down into the split, the whole crowd goes oooo. Everybody

776
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 8: says that in unison. And this is one thing too

777
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 8: that I gotta tell you all about the one hundred.

778
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 8: When they march off the field at the end of

779
00:39:51,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 8: their performance, they always play good times.

780
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 7: So that's what they march off the field on. It's like,

781
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 7: everybody gets it.

782
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 8: It's just the most special thing you've ever seen in

783
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 8: your life, and it's nothing like it.

784
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 7: I just love it.

785
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: If you are not sad about missing homecoming after hearing

786
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: X describe that you have no heart, you've never known

787
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: your soul, never have fun of your life.

788
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 7: That's right, dude, never ever ever. Oh my gosh, I

789
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 7: love everything about it.

790
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: So thinking about all of this stuff all of this

791
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: is part of the experience, and it makes me reflect

792
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: on what it means to be a product of an HBCU.

793
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: Yes, there's just a certain Jennesse Qua about people who

794
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: have graduated from an HBCU. There's a certain confidence, a

795
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: level of intelligence, just a swag about them that's just different.

796
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: And so I want you guys to kind of just

797
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: talk about some of the great people from your institutions

798
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: or just from HBCUs in general that have been really

799
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: impactful on your lives and just what that means to

800
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: both of you to be the product of an HBCU.

801
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like a lineage that you're just so proud of, right, Zee, Right, Yeah.

802
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 8: Of course, if they go to FAM, I'm super hype

803
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 8: about that. But if they went to an HBCU and

804
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 8: they making noise, I go crazy.

805
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: Yes, clap it up for me. It really feels like

806
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: the people who are in my class and the class

807
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: above me. I am still in awe of my peers. Okay, yes,

808
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: and TT knows some of my friends, and I'm like,

809
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: all are killing the game. Doctors, lawyer, everybody's doing something.

810
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: Because now we're at the stage where you're starting to

811
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: see people pivot and you're like, yo, I didn't know

812
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: you could do that. My friend and her husband both

813
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: went to Hampton and Kia, who went to grad school

814
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: with us. When they've built this huge real estate vacation

815
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: rental home empire, I'm like, girl, when did you learn

816
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: this interior design? Kea has a PhD in the sciences.

817
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: Yes, anesthesiology, she said, no, sucception pain, and now she's

818
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: telling real estate you're taking these places.

819
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're about to be competab with Airbnb. When

820
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: I got to Atlanta, I asked one of my really

821
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: close friends from high school. I said, who do I

822
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: need to know in Atlanta and who should I be helping?

823
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: He's like, this is my homeboy from more House. He's

824
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: running for city council. Here's somebody else, Board of education.

825
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: Like you feel so proud of these folks. I feel

826
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: so excited to say I know them. They went to

827
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: a HBCU And we should spend our dollars here right

828
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: giving back to folks who are trying to make these

829
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: things happen. How do you support the people who are

830
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: out here trying to do it and people are saying

831
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: dope labs, So you got no dope labs, just off

832
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: the strength that I went to a HBCU.

833
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 7: Same with the get Up.

834
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 8: We got a really big audience and the show's doing

835
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 8: really great. But the fact that I get to be

836
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 8: the current day representation of somebody who went to an

837
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 8: HBCU and it's.

838
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 7: Just proud of that.

839
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 8: And I bring those stories into the Showyne Wayne, thank

840
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 8: you and you were on the show. T t U

841
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 8: been on the show. But like for us to be

842
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 8: able to represent that. I talk about my boy, Brian Price.

843
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 8: I brag on him all the time. He's this dope

844
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 8: marketing media exec in Lance, my college roommate from South Chicago.

845
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 8: He built the parachute on the Mars Rover. He did

846
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 8: the parachute.

847
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: Call him right now. I have questions.

848
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 8: I now have people who are like, yo, my kid

849
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 8: wants to go to FAM. Literally today I got a

850
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 8: text and she texted me and was like, my seven

851
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 8: ten year old niece listen to The Get Up for

852
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 8: the first time yesterday and loved it. She's looking at

853
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 8: HBCUs fam use on her list. Can you come meet

854
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 8: with us and talk to her about FAM.

855
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 7: I was like, We're doing it next week. That's important.

856
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 8: My friend's daughter. She's in her first semester at FAM.

857
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 8: They stopped through Brooklyn on the way. I brought her

858
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 8: to FAM Hoodies like top of the line exclusive joints here.

859
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 8: Let me get you right, and when I go down there,

860
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 8: I'm taking you out to dinner. And I got kids

861
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 8: that ask me, can.

862
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 7: You give me some FAM gear? Yes? I will. I'm

863
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 7: telling you all. It touches me. It like makes me

864
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 7: tear up every time.

865
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: That's real. It just makes me think back my first

866
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: year of grad school. I'm the grad school counselor for

867
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: the summer program for students who are interested in science.

868
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 3: So we're at Duke and I have a young man

869
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 3: who went to Western Salem State. He is like, huh,

870
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: deer in the headlights? What do I do? This? And

871
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: that him and another young woman from Wiston Salem State,

872
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Speaker 3: and to see them both become professors now in the SI.

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Speaker 3: He's a professor at Vanderbilt. She's a professor at Bowne State.

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Speaker 3: Our family reunion used to have this saying, let the

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Speaker 3: circle be unbroken, right, we just feeding into each other

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Speaker 3: and let it expand. Right, t T get on in

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Speaker 3: this circle. You're in here, you got your hands. You

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Speaker 3: in here, you and.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. I'm gonna do my

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Speaker 1: best to represent well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's looking out for the next generation, showing them

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Speaker 3: it's good to be proud. We're just like you wear Nike.

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Speaker 3: We're this like onebody wearing those yell sweatshirts.

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Speaker 7: Okay, and you can be a part of this.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna pull you in, We're gonna tell you about it,

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Speaker 8: and we're gonna make a way for you to be

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Speaker 8: able to do that. Is one of my greatest joys

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Speaker 8: in my life right now.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I really love this conversation. I love hearing about both

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Speaker 1: of your experiences. I should have went to Hampton. Thank

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Speaker 1: you both so much for sharing all of this. It's

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Speaker 1: been heartwarming just to be able to sit back and

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Speaker 1: just listen to you guys.

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Speaker 7: Talk about this my honor.

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Speaker 8: Y'all know I've been a Day one Dope Labs fan listener.

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Speaker 3: Yes you have.

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Speaker 7: And I'm proud of what y'all really.

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Speaker 8: I'm proud of how y'all represent for black women and

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Speaker 8: for your varied experiences. Because one thing I do talk

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Speaker 8: about is I don't like if somebody that went to

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Speaker 8: an HBCU tries to invalidate the experience of somebody that

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Speaker 8: went to a PWI. All of these experiences are valid.

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Speaker 8: So I'm glad that you have two dope women on

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Speaker 8: this show that represent both sides and the commonality because

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Speaker 8: there's merit and value and all of it.

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Speaker 7: That's the beauty of our people.

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Speaker 3: All right, tt, it's time for one thing. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: What's your one thing? Z Well, we've kind of already

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Speaker 3: talked about my one thing in the episode, and if

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Speaker 3: you follow me on social media, I've shared it too.

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Speaker 3: My one thing is Corine DeMarco. This is a brand

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Speaker 3: that produces is HBCU apparel, and I love their sweaters.

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Speaker 3: That's where I got the sweater that t T talks

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Speaker 3: about wearing and pretending that she was a Hampton alum.

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Speaker 3: I am a big fan of this brand, So please

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Speaker 3: go support this small brand that's putting out great HBCU gear.

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Speaker 3: That's Corinda Marco c O R I N D E

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Speaker 3: M A r c O dot com. My one thing

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Speaker 3: is Corinda Marco perfect.

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Speaker 6: Ha ha.

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Speaker 3: That's it for Lab fifty one. What'd you think? Did

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Speaker 3: you learn something new about HBCUs call us at two

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Speaker 3: tell us what you thought or if you have an

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Speaker 3: idea for a lab we should do this semester. Tell

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Speaker 3: us that too. We really love hearing from you. That's

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Speaker 1: And don't forget there's so much more for you to

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Speaker 1: dig into on our website. There'll be a cheat cheat

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Speaker 1: there for today's lab and additional links and resources in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Plus, you can sign up for our newsletter,

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Speaker 1: so check it out at Dope labspodcast dot com. Special

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Speaker 1: thanks to today's guest expert, Xavier Journ Again.

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Speaker 3: You can find Xavier every weekday at seven am on

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Speaker 3: Spotify's morning show The get Up.

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Speaker 1: Reading our credits today is an HBCU grad, one of

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Speaker 1: Zakia's longtime besties and one of my new friends, Atlanta House.

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Speaker 3: Yes, certified clown and a certified goo.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 5: I'm Atlanta House and I'm a proud graduate of Hampton

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Speaker 5: University an HBCU. I'm also a goon and a clown,

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Speaker 5: as TT and Zakia shared, but also a scholar too.

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Speaker 5: You can find Dope Labs on Twitter and Instagram at

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Speaker 5: Dope Labs podcast tt Is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore

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Speaker 5: t Show, and you can find Zakiya at z s Etzo.

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Speaker 5: Dope Labs is a Spotify original production from Mega Own

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Speaker 5: Me Group. Producers are Jenny Rattle at Mass and Lydia

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Speaker 5: Smith of Wave Runner Studios. Editing and sound design by

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Speaker 5: Rob Smurgiak, Mixing by Hannes Brown. Original music composed and

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Speaker 5: produced by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Suguiera from Spotify Creative

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Speaker 5: producer Candice Manriquez, Wrenn and Karenne Gillier. Special thanks to

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Speaker 5: Shirley Ramos, Yasmine Afifi, Keimu, Elolia, Till krat Key and

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Speaker 5: Brian Marquis. Executive producers from Mega Owned Media Group are

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Speaker 5: t T. Shoda and Zakiah Watley. And I'm sending all

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Speaker 5: of this to you from my teenage sons really stinky

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Speaker 5: closet because it's the only quiet place in this whole house.

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Speaker 5: Pray for moms. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 7: I love you both.

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Speaker 1: Bye.