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Speaker 1: Warrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for the first episode of

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Speaker 1: Foundation season three and a recap of seasons one and two,

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Speaker 1: which is gonna be necessary for you, so you warn't.

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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jason Sepsio and I'm brother a

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Speaker 2: Boot and welcome back to.

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Speaker 1: Ex very major of the podcast where we dive deepy

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Speaker 1: movie coming to you from my Heart podcast, where we're

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Speaker 1: bringing you episodes every Tuesday and Thursday, plus highlighting summer's

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Speaker 1: biggest movies every Friday, and news on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget about news on Saturday. In today's episode, in

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Speaker 3: the previously on Jason, you and I are going to

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Speaker 3: be recapping Foundation seasons one and two as quickly as

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Speaker 3: we can because that's a lot to get through. But

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Speaker 3: it is dare I say foundational for understanding season three? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there's a quick Foundation and then later in the

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Speaker 3: air lock where we will be getting into our recap

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Speaker 3: of the first episode of Foundation season three, and of

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Speaker 3: course a quick programming note before we get into all

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Speaker 3: of that. Jason, Ewan, Rosie and Joelle and Ian super

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Speaker 3: producer Ian will all be at San Diego Comic Con,

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Speaker 3: so folks can't wait if you want to meet up

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Speaker 3: with Jason and Rosie and say hello, find them there

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Speaker 3: and hop in the discord to find out more details

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Speaker 3: about schedules.

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Speaker 1: First recaps for Foundations seasons one and two. Okay, a

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Speaker 1: lot happens.

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Speaker 4: All happens in the first.

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Speaker 1: Two seasons of Foundation, and it's a great, great show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and we're hoping, we really hope you're thinking about jumping

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Speaker 1: in and hopefully these recaps will help you.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Okay. Season one, in the first season a Foundation,

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Speaker 3: we're introduced to this galaxy spanning empire ten thousand ish

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Speaker 3: capital city of Trantor, which might remind you of a

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Speaker 3: corrosion somewhat. The math prodigy Gail Dornick arrives to meet

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Speaker 3: with the genius mathematician Harry Selden, a very important name

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Speaker 3: in Selden's many, many schemes. Selden is a genius and

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Speaker 3: he has developed this advanced mathematical way to predict.

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Speaker 1: The future and it's one hundred and he's right, that's

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Speaker 3: The math, right, And Gail, in fact has arrived to

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Speaker 3: double check his math and confirms that this all checks out.

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Speaker 3: This psychohistory is one hundred percent true and correct and

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Speaker 1: How do we feel about the brand name psychohistory? I

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Speaker 1: feel like we could have done I feel like Harry

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Speaker 3: Well, like many geniuses, I don't think Harry is particularly

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Speaker 3: And in the first episode actually of the show, almost

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Speaker 3: Selden has developed a plan to reduce that suffering. He

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Speaker 3: Now backing up a little bit, over the course of

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Speaker 1: Again all part of Harry's plan. He knew that the

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Speaker 1: Episode one, a Song for the End of Everything. We

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Speaker 1: I think it's because I gave Demarzelle the prime Radiant

429
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: back in season two. Yeah, why And Professor misses like,

430
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: hold on record, scratch moment, wait what you get? Why

431
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: did you give our enemy like your most important quantum

432
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: supercomputer that has like the plants, everything, And before you

433
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: know he can get an answer, Harry just flat kicks

434
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: him out of the vault, like goodbye, get out of

435
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: my simulated office on Haven, which is like where the

436
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: Traders of Foundation like have their own and kind of

437
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: like mini side headquarters and a terrible planet, you know,

438
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: very very hot, kind of volcanic. We see that the

439
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: Traders are arming, they're receiving like air drops of weapons

440
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: from the Empire Foundation. Like private investigator Han Pritcher and

441
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: his partner Sephanie get evidence of this, and there's like

442
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: a trait. There's a chase between like this guy, one

443
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: of these leaders of the Traders ran du and Pritcher,

444
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: and Pritcher almost dies, but he escapes and he and

445
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: Pritch and Sephanie are like flying away to go warn

446
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Foundation that hey, like it's true the Empire and Foundation

447
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: seemed to be collaborating, and he and.

448
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: Sephanie almost fucked.

449
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: But then they don't preaches like no, no, no, I'm

450
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: not going to do that.

451
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: Prench by the.

452
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Way, shredded. This guy is like shredded unbelievable workout routine.

453
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well were you never sleep with a co worker,

454
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: but unless he looks like Han Fritcher, don't do that,

455
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: then you know, think about it, but don't try.

456
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like yeah, I mean, you know, just like

457
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: put it out there and if it's.

458
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: A no, it's I was gonna say it's it's notable

459
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: that Pritcher isn't able to get hard evidence here. He

460
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: has to go back to the Foundation and say, I

461
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: found a thing. You just have to believe me that

462
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: is I found that to be.

463
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: I guess he's Yeah, he's got to like either capture Randu,

464
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: capture the weapons, or like get hard video evidence, which.

465
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: He doesn't have.

466
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he goes back to New Trantor and he

467
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: tells Mayor in berr Hey, it's true like the traders

468
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: and by the way, the mule and all this other stuff.

469
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: And the mayor is like, eh, first of all, the

470
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: mule is small potatoes, we don't care about him, and

471
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: or cowgn like big deal. And second of all, like

472
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: you do have no hard evidence. I love my job.

473
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: I want to keep making money. You're annoying me, I

474
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, Like, yes, the vault is going to

475
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: open up and in like a couple days and Hallogram

476
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Harry Selton's gonna pop out with his regular update. But like,

477
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in that because I've got a

478
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: cush job and things are very lucrative right now, eat.

479
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: A jolly rancher and chill, my guy, Why are you

480
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: so stressed?

481
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just shill out, like we're all making money. What's

482
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: a big deal, Pritcher. He tries to fire Pritcher. Pritch

483
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: refuses to get fired and goes off to get more

484
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: evidence that Empire is collaborating with traders and also the

485
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: mule is a problem. On Trantor, New Zephyr of the

486
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Luminous Church Virelis, who now lives on Trantor in the

487
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Imperial Palace. Is chatting with Demarzella in the gardens. Dem

488
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: is like, listen, here's why I brought you here, because, like,

489
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: I need somebody to talk to. I'm an ancient robot

490
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: that's been alive for millennia. I have to like nanny

491
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: these cleons and also like I'm their mom, but also

492
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm their wife and this whole thing, and it's and

493
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I have no one to talk to you, so I'm

494
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: here to talk to you. But here's the thing, Like,

495
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to you and then I'm gonna immediately

496
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: wipe your memory and you're not gonna remember anything we

497
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: talked about until the next time. I'm like, hey, I

498
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: need another session. Zephyr's like, okay, what can I I have?

499
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: I can't say anything, so I guess we got to

500
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: do this. She's like, I'm a robot. Here's my whole history,

501
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: here's all that stuff, and then she complains about her

502
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: programming serving humans, like the robot war, how she was

503
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: programmed to serve the cleons, and her weird feelings about this,

504
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: and then she cuts open her chests and pulls out

505
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: the prime radiant, and Zephyr's like, whoa, why did Harry

506
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: give that to you? Like what is this? And we

507
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: don't ever get any clarity on that, but we but

508
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Demozel thinks that maybe it's so that she could see

509
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: that Empire really is coming to an end. And yet

510
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Demarzel can see clearly the evidence

511
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: that Empires coming to an end and much quicker than

512
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: anyone predicted, she remains dedicated to the Cleons. Uh. And

513
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, she says, listen, if I outlive my reason

514
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: for living, which are the Cleons, I'm going to need

515
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: the luminous Church and your guidance.

516
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really, I really, I want to pause here

517
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: for a second because I really liked this was my

518
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: favorite scene. I did too this. I thought it was

519
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: great because not only do we get like the iconic

520
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: three laws of robotics like blatantly topped here in this scene,

521
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: but I really liked this. I like how they shared

522
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: the history of the robot war, how robots kind of

523
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: discovered this idea of the greater good that kind of

524
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: supersedes the three laws that they are forced to follow.

525
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: And so Demrosel really there is having like sort of

526
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: a crisis of faith in her in her own programming,

527
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: in her own purpose, in the genetic dynasty that she

528
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: has maintained for hundreds and hundred of you now, And

529
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: I really liked that there's this looming question of what's next,

530
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: Like Demrizela has to face the existential question that I

531
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: think all humans do, right, what's next? After I am gone,

532
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: after everything I know is gone? What's next? We're seeing

533
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: a robot struggle with that, And I really loved it.

534
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned it up top, I think, and

535
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I think I agree. I think I love this show

536
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: and to me, like the most interesting parts are always Empire,

537
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: Like de Marzella's probably the most fascinating character in the

538
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: whole show. And then the Cleons are just good old

539
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: fashioned fun. So they're just it is an absolute mess

540
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: over there, Like there should be a Bravo show about.

541
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: Everything they're doing.

542
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: It would be it would be absolutely so down and dusk. Again,

543
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: they know where to be found, are having dinner with

544
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Foundation as Ambassador Kent, and there's Zephyr Kant is upset

545
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: about Caligan, but again no one is like really they're concerned,

546
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: but no one is truly alarmed. Yeah, day they say,

547
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: is not there because he's getting ready for the ascension.

548
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: He will become Dusk, of course, but he won't be vaporized.

549
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know what he This does not seem

550
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: to be a great excuse, like nothing's really changing for him,

551
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: but whatever, right, we really we find out though, that

552
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: really what's going on with him is he's like, I

553
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: don't want to rule anymore. I just want to take

554
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: drugs and fuck. And that's what he's been doing for

555
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: I guess his entire run as Day.

556
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: An incredible looks but but also spot on, right, like

557
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: when the maths shows you that everything that you are

558
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: meant for coming to an end. Who fucking cares? That's

559
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: his Who cares?

560
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: We got two other Yeah, we got two other kleons,

561
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: you guys had.

562
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm good, right, what you know?

563
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Like, what's why do I have to do it? Right?

564
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: So Dusk goes to c Day and it's like, listen,

565
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: you got to meet with Demarzel and you have to

566
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: we have to update you on all the things that

567
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: are happening like in the galaxy, the Foundation and the

568
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Mule and all this stuff. And then there's another crisis

569
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: coming and.

570
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: Right, did you clone a ferret. What are you doing?

571
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing? Then Day probably still high,

572
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: goes to the meeting with Demarzel and the and his

573
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: cleonic brothers, but then he almost walks out, but then

574
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Dusk and Donn are like, come on, Day, we need.

575
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 5: You any stays just up is incredible, Oh as always

576
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 5: gotta have the shirt off because it's leap pace, absolutely.

577
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: And he in his like most messianic looking is he's like,

578
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: fuck Jesus this season like he's just like loving unbelievable.

579
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: He just keeps vaping. Throughout the episode, Demozel doodles with

580
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: the Prime Radiant and shows them look at this new

581
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: crisis it's coming and guess what not in like two

582
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: hundred years or whatever it was supposed to be like

583
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: really soon four months the end of everything, not even

584
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: four years, four months?

585
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's just like he's thinking about how you

586
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: can't wait to get back to his fuck palace, and

587
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: Denmorzella's like, listen, it's not just like the end of Empire.

588
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: It's the immediate dark Age is happening, like right now,

589
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: end of civilization in four months, what are we gonna do?

590
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: We go to ignis where Gail Dornick is being defrosted

591
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: for another run as a as an active human not

592
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: in stasis, and while she's been there, of course, as

593
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: she was in season two, she was dreaming about the Mule,

594
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: and she continues to dream about the Mule. And Gail

595
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: for sure is the only person here who's gonna be like, folks,

596
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: the mule huge fucking problem. Can we all get on

597
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the same page with this? And that's the end of

598
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: episode one. Uh A fun and very messy as usual

599
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 1: episode of Foundation on the drama front.

600
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, I'm having a blast, I think, Yeah, we

601
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: have already talked about Day and Leepace and how much

602
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: fun he's having on screen. That's all that. That all continues,

603
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: I will say to be my favorite part of the show.

604
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: Every time we cut back to dray Tour, I'm locked in,

605
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: you know, phone, what is Day up to now? Like

606
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: I need a whole show that just follows Day.

607
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: I really like. I love the we saw Dawn take

608
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: a more active role in season two, both with you know,

609
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: basically trying to rebel against everything, the entire imperial hierarchy,

610
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and to see another version of Dawn now basically ruling empire.

611
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: While Dusk is in the throes of like a complete

612
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: existential like collapse and Day is just on a full backenal.

613
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: It's really really, really fun. Demarzelle, what do you think

614
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: is going on with What do you think the relationship

615
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: between demarzell Empire and possibly Foundation is going to be

616
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: going forward? Because it feels like we're heading towards a

617
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: place where Gail and Demarzel are the only people who

618
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: really get it right now.

619
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: I agree, I think gosh. I mean, there is a

620
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: world in which Gail and Demarzel are the ones who

621
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: raise the big scary red flag about the mule because

622
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: both of them are reading the prime radiance. They are

623
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: the ones saying, look at this branch. We have shot

624
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: off into an unknown branch of the plan and things

625
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: are looking dire in just four months time. We got

626
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: to do something about this. I see a world in

627
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: which Deverzel this season tries to and perhaps finds an

628
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: answer to the question of what's next beyond the Cleons?

629
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: What am I if not the Cleons? And obviously in

630
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: the therapy session today she's posing that question. I don't

631
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: think she has an answer to it, and it would

632
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: be interesting to watch her character arc here start to

633
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: break away from her programming and whatever capacity she can.

634
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: She is still a robot constrained by certain programming, but

635
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: I think she could begin to answer the question for herself,

636
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: what beyond the Cleons? Can I leave the Cleons behind?

637
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: And I think that in and of itself is a

638
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: very interesting arc for Debrizel.

639
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: A lot of new care characters, including Zephyr Ferrella's played

640
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: by Rebecca Innocent, daughter of Ralph Innocent, who plays art

641
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Speaker 1: Duke Valerian in this very episode. I will say that

642
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Speaker 1: one of the things that I've found delightful is, you know, Ralph,

643
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Speaker 1: who is in so many things, has one of the

644
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Speaker 1: most unique voices I think in like acting, and his

645
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Speaker 1: daughter like has those pipes as well. Yeah, Like, I

646
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Speaker 1: don't know if she does voiceover stuff, but she should

647
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Speaker 1: start because she's got like that command like a commanding voice.

648
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Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed the addition of of Zephyr Verrella's

649
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Speaker 1: for this show.

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Speaker 3: What about the Mule, because the Mule is going to

651
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Speaker 3: be central to this season so far.

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Speaker 1: Really scary of course, like, as you mentioned, kind of

653
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Speaker 1: the iconic antagonist of the Foundation book series, a super

654
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Speaker 1: super scary character whose ability to put thoughts in people's

655
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Speaker 1: minds completely upends any of the calculations that Harry had

656
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Speaker 1: carefully put together in previous years, because he's just an

657
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Speaker 1: X factor, and I thought he was really scary. It

658
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Speaker 1: was really cool to see what he could do and

659
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Speaker 1: how easily he could do it. It'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see like, Okay, so, like what are because right now

661
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Speaker 1: he seems I would call him ope, Like what are

662
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Speaker 1: the limits? Does he get tired?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to figure that out. And how do

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Speaker 1: you attack a character like this who can whose influence

666
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Speaker 1: is incredibly strong and can go for huge distances beyond him,

667
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Speaker 1: like his direct influences. Yeah, what did you think as

668
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Speaker 1: a big foundation head, what did you think?

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Speaker 3: I really loved the Mule in this episode. I thought

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Speaker 3: that opening scene of the episode was a great way

671
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Speaker 3: to introduce the uninitiated to just how scary and dangerous

672
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Speaker 3: the Mule is and why he throws off the plans

673
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Speaker 3: so much. Right, because so much of psychohistory is about

674
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Speaker 3: big picture trends and movements and populations, right, It's not

675
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Speaker 3: about individuals changing things. And that's kind of one of

676
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Speaker 3: the most interesting struggles at the heart of Foundation is

677
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Speaker 3: like the individual versus the collective movement of entire forces,

678
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Speaker 3: and how much one can affect the other, and if

679
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Speaker 3: one can affect one person can affect things at all.

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Speaker 3: And what's interesting is, despite how much Harry Selden reinforces

681
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Speaker 3: the fact that his math is about millions and billions

682
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Speaker 3: and trillions of people and trends and ships happening over history,

683
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Speaker 3: both in the books and in the show, we continue

684
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Speaker 3: to see individuals, through their actions, push history one way

685
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Speaker 3: or another. And also individuals like Day thinking that they

686
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Speaker 3: are so important that with the wave of their hand

687
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: they can push history any which way they want. Realizing

688
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Speaker 3: that they're not. That was a big part of season two.

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Speaker 3: And so I think the Mule is one of these

690
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Speaker 3: people who can actually, with a wave of his metaphorical

691
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Speaker 3: mental hand, shift the course of history. And I think

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Speaker 3: that that's gonna be so fun to watch explored over

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Speaker 3: the course of this season.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to find out, like what Harry's

695
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Speaker 1: actual reaction to Hologram Harry, what his reaction to all

696
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Speaker 1: of this is.

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Speaker 4: He's been so.

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Speaker 1: Dedicated to his plan. He's a creation in a sense

699
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Speaker 1: of his of his own plan an uploaded consciousness from

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Speaker 1: you know, three hundred years past now. And I found

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Speaker 1: his like reaction to Professor miss to be like really

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Speaker 1: kind of mystifying, Like I couldn't tell if he was

703
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Speaker 1: troubled and surprised at this to learn that, like, actually,

704
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Speaker 1: things are going much much faster and much more intensely

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Speaker 1: than you predicted, or if he was just like kind

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Speaker 1: of improvising on the fly, as it kind of seemed

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Speaker 1: like he was doing in season two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I love seeing the two sides of Harry.

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Speaker 3: We have Hologram Harry in the vault, who is basically

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Speaker 3: Harry one point zero from like the first episode original

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Speaker 3: like he died original Harry. Yes. And then we have

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Speaker 3: like reincarnated flesh and Blood fresh and Blood, who is

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Speaker 3: like Harry. Like flesh and Blood, Harry knows about the

714
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: mule and knows about the threat, and Gail and Harry

715
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Speaker 3: have been working with Second Foundation to prepare for this,

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Speaker 3: but Holograham Harry doesn't know that. And so in this episode,

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Speaker 3: I agree, I found the reaction puzzling from Hologram Harry.

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Speaker 3: Was it confusion? Did he ever expect the mule to happen?

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Speaker 3: Is he scared. I'm interested to see how how that

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Speaker 3: plays out.

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Speaker 1: It seems like we're heading towards I mean, we've already

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Speaker 1: seen foundation and kind of fracture which Harry predicted, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't predict that it would happen this intensely and

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Speaker 1: this quickly, And it seems like we're heading towards another fracture.

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Speaker 1: When the two Harrys eventually meet and discover each other,

726
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Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, you've got reincardinated Harry, who his

727
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: hairiness is honestly TBD. He seems to be Harry, but

728
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Speaker 1: he's also Harry with like who's been alive, who's been

729
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Speaker 1: running around, who's been active in different incidents throughout the

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Speaker 1: galaxy at times at Gale side, and who has a

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Speaker 1: different and more closer to the street perception of what's

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Speaker 1: going on, while Hologram Harry, as you mentioned, is like

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Speaker 1: the is like Harry as if you hit pause three

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Speaker 1: hundred years ago and is isolated in the vault and

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Speaker 1: only pops out like every I forget, however many decades

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Speaker 1: it comes out. And when they discover each other, or

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Speaker 1: when really when Hologram Harry discovers flesh and blood Harry.

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Speaker 1: What happens then, and who is going to say if

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Speaker 1: at all? Like, wait a second, I'm the guy, it's me, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm the Foundation. Hold on a second, it's me, not

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Speaker 1: that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It feels like we're going there and that's going to be.

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Speaker 3: That'll be juicy, that'll be fun. Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a fun season of television.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I have always been a fan of Foundation. I love

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Speaker 3: the books, and I think the show has I mean,

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Speaker 3: for what it's worth, I think it's worth saying, like

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Speaker 3: for folks who are are fans of the show or

751
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: are fans of the book, the show is its own beast.

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Speaker 3: At this point, we have diverged off the original Isaac

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Speaker 3: Asimov plan that we are in like a totally different like.

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Speaker 3: So many of the characters are borrowed, ideas are borrowed.

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Speaker 1: But where do you stand on that? Because I think

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Speaker 1: that to really adapt this you kind of have to

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Speaker 1: do that. I'm a fan of the books well, while

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Speaker 1: also admitting they are at times not the most like

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Speaker 1: propulsive reads like on Earth.

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Speaker 3: I gosh, I'm of two minds. I really really love

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Speaker 3: the original books, and I think by the time you

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Speaker 3: get into where we are in season three. We're into

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Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of blending the books together at

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Speaker 3: this point too, but we're kind of in like Book two,

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Speaker 3: but also in Book three at this point. But when

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Speaker 3: you get into that, like, things get super interesting and

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Speaker 3: I think would make for great television should just stuck

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Speaker 3: to it. Book one is very difficult to adapt because

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Speaker 3: it's like time jumps between every chapter, and that almost

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Speaker 3: has to be played as like some sort of anthology

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Speaker 3: loosely connected anthology series. So I'm not sure how I

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Speaker 3: would tackle that challenge of adapting these books. I will

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Speaker 3: say season one. I almost dropped the show season one

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Speaker 3: because I came in being like, oh my gosh, my

775
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Speaker 3: one of my favorite books of all time is being adapted.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait. And then I was like, what is this.

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Speaker 3: This is not my favorite book of all time, and

778
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Speaker 3: I almost dropped it. I came back for season two

779
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'll watch this as long as

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00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 3: I'm I'm interested, and maybe I'll forget about the original books.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the best way to enjoy this show,

782
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: Like you can't be too attached to the source material,

783
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Speaker 3: because I think this stands on its own as an

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Speaker 3: amazing sci fi show loosely inspired by Asimov's work and

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00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: borrowing many ideas and characters from Asimov's work. But this

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Speaker 3: is not Asimov's original story. This is its own story

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Speaker 3: that I think stands on its own in a different way.

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Speaker 3: So I've come to appreciate it in a different way

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Speaker 3: separate from the books.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yeah, I completely agree. I agree with you that

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Speaker 1: Book three is really where it becomes. You know, Book

792
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: one was written episodically for sci fi magazines and so

793
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: there's like a dryness to it. It's a lot of

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00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: like talking about like tobacco futures on different planets and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know. Like, but book three is

796
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: like the action book, and season two really is the

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Speaker 1: like the action season.

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Speaker 4: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: The Kleonic Dynasty is, bottom line, just like really fun.

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Speaker 1: It's really fun to see them struggle with who they

801
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: are and what they are and their roles within this

802
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: and like whether it matters or not, and like their

803
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: relationship with Demarzelle and what she really knows, which you know,

804
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: these particular cleons haven't yet asked that question, but you

805
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: feel like they're going to, and when they do. It's

806
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: going to open up a whole another like box of

807
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: worms when that happens, because she knows so much more

808
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: than she lets one, so much more to talk about

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Speaker 1: it same, We'll be following a foundation all season. On

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Speaker 1: the next episode of Extra Vision, we're gathering the Justice

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Speaker 1: Gang for our Superman Roundtable. That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Are we keeping the name of Justice Gang?

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Speaker 2: Or Yeah?

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