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Speaker 1: Well what a wild, wild conclusion. I mean, at least

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Speaker 1: now we have a college football playoff of twelve teams.

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Speaker 1: We didn't like when the computers did it, we didn't

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Speaker 1: like when the media selected it.

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Speaker 3: We don't like.

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Speaker 1: The Randoh arbitrary committee doing it. But at least a

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Speaker 1: playoff will be great when we figure out who's in

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Speaker 1: and who's out. Right now, Notre Dame's in, Miami and

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Speaker 1: Texas are out. Just head to head. Matter in Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: got thumbed by Texas and m got thumbed by Texas.

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Speaker 1: Vandy got thumbed by Texas. Texas was willing to play

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and Columbus lost close.

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Speaker 3: They didn't get in.

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Speaker 1: And I mean Texas plays in the SEC where you

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Speaker 1: know I always hear about bad losses. Miami lost to SMU.

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Speaker 1: SMU be Clemson in Miami. They're not that bad. They're

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Speaker 1: eight and four. They went to the playoff last year.

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Speaker 1: The game was in Dallas. They're not that bad. So

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Speaker 1: the Louisville loss stunk. And for Texas, I guess the

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Speaker 1: Florida loss is bad. But man, Texas had a lot

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Speaker 1: of quality wins.

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Speaker 4: I just.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm somebody that I look at your schedule

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Speaker 1: and give me quality wins. I don't think bad losses

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Speaker 1: should be the be all end all. The Rams just

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Speaker 1: lost to the Panthers. I just think we've asked college

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Speaker 1: kids now to play more and more and more and

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Speaker 1: more games. You're gonna have a stinker. Rams defense week stunk,

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Speaker 1: and we know they're great and Miami. You know, Texas

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Speaker 1: went and played an SEC team in Gainesville and got

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Speaker 1: beat Remember last year Lane Kiffatt took a good team

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Speaker 1: to Gainesville and lost.

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Speaker 3: I lose it at Gainesville's.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's an SEC team, it's ninety thousand people,

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Speaker 1: it's allowed to stadium collegiately.

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Speaker 3: I've ever been to with that.

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt who called Ohio State Michigan, they'll be calling

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Speaker 1: Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games, so I

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Speaker 1: guess this is we both love this sport. I guess

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Speaker 1: I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we

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Speaker 1: beat them head to head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Texas is going we beat three top teams.

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Speaker 1: And the Committee's like, well, Notre Dame didn't really have

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Speaker 1: a quality win, but they had no bad losses. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's how we should measure greatness. I

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Speaker 1: like Notre Dame as a program shouldn't. Doesn't Miami have

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Speaker 1: a real case here?

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 5: Of course, of course Miami has a real case and

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Speaker 5: Texas has a real case.

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Speaker 3: And there's so many ways to go.

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Speaker 5: Let me, let me just start with, like, the problem

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Speaker 5: is obviously the format obviously right, because we're trying to

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Speaker 5: have this selection based playoff, and it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 5: you have computers do it or people do it. Like

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Speaker 5: it's subjective and there's no way that you can rank

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Speaker 5: the criteria, or or at least they don't rank the

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Speaker 5: criteria and tell us which one is going to take

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Speaker 5: precedent over the other. So there's all different types of criteria.

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Speaker 5: You can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,

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Speaker 5: in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those

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Speaker 5: So what value does any of those criteria actually have

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Speaker 5: towards the ranking. Well, we don't know, and I think

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Speaker 5: that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've

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Speaker 5: argued for a long time that we need to define

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Speaker 5: always in forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?

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Speaker 5: The first one is head to head always, always, And

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Speaker 5: so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think

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Speaker 5: another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.

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Speaker 5: And so if you actually play this out, I think

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Speaker 3: And here's why.

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Speaker 5: If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game and

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame would fall fall out. Now if BYU loses

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Speaker 5: to seven. It was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't BYU almost assuredly, just fall maybe one spot or

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Speaker 5: two spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would

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Speaker 1: I listen, I you know me, I like big brands.

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Speaker 1: I want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right, like,

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Speaker 5: I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way

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Speaker 5: they get in I know, but it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated and

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Speaker 1: they lose to Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. That

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Speaker 1: Columbus four new offensive linemen, and you're like, best college

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Speaker 1: a decade, and they lose by a touchdown and Texas

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Speaker 1: didn't play well, and you're like, I don't know. Like, listen,

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Speaker 1: they don't match out with Georgia. They just don't that happens.

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Speaker 1: They don't match up with Georgia. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 1: Indiana scheduled a week at a conference schedule right now,

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Speaker 1: they'd have a buye.

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Speaker 3: What if Indiana gets smoked?

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Speaker 1: What if it is thirty eight seventeen and it looks

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Speaker 1: Indiana gets smoked? What happens to them? I don't think

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Speaker 5: Even if they were to get now, I don't think

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Speaker 5: they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good and

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Speaker 5: complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference?

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Speaker 5: There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.

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Speaker 5: But I don't see a situation where either the loser

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Speaker 1: Okay, what if, okay, Bama went to Georgia. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: one of the most perfect game plans I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: They beat Georgia in Athens. They were flawless, one of

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Speaker 1: What if Georgia beats them? And by the way, George

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Speaker 1: you talk about a matchup. Georgia doesn't beat Bama. Texas

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Speaker 5: Although the history and the president from the committee last

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Speaker 5: year was that they weren't going to penalize teams for

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Speaker 5: losing conference championship games. And we saw that when SMU

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Speaker 5: lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson got the automatic berth.

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Speaker 5: But then SMU stayed in the College Football Playoff. They

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Speaker 5: So President would tell you that this committee is going

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Speaker 5: to value conference championship games and not not knock a

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Speaker 5: team for losing that. Now here's let me just say

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Speaker 5: this sake of argument, let's just pull ourselves out thirty

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Speaker 5: that this committee is trying to protect or value conference

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Speaker 5: amateurism and bowl games, for example. These are things that

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Speaker 5: obviously don't fit in what's going to happen in the

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Speaker 5: The fact that they won't move off of bowl games

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Speaker 5: gives us a regular season and then playoff that leaks

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Speaker 5: late into January. So we're not nimble in college football.

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Speaker 5: And if you protect a conference championship game, the writing

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Speaker 5: is on the wall Colin these games are being devalued.

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Speaker 5: There's no reason to protect those. So if Bamba were

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Speaker 5: get in, maybe Miami gets in, and maybe you know,

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Speaker 5: they take another look at Texas in that regard. But

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Speaker 5: I do think that we need to start putting the

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Speaker 5: need to start talking about defining the path to the

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Speaker 5: things would be better for the sport. Not to get

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Speaker 5: two long winded, but just for an example, just for

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Speaker 5: maybe four each for the big guys SEC and Big ten,

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Speaker 5: maybe two each for the ACC and the Big twelve.

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Speaker 5: And then you would get matchups this weekend colin like

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Speaker 5: goes to the playoff. So we would be able to say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 5: rather than just sitting there and watching your TV and

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Speaker 5: seeing if a committee puts you in, you control your

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Speaker 5: own fate. Go play a football game for sixty minutes

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Speaker 5: and if you can win that game, then you're going

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Speaker 5: to go on into a fourteen team playoff. That's what

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Speaker 5: I would do, But no one's making me commissioner yet.

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Speaker 5: If you've got that power, please do so.

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Speaker 1: If I was commissioner, I would say head to head

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Speaker 1: one quality wins two. That to me should be It

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Speaker 1: would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean, Texas would

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Speaker 1: be in Notre Dame. Would not be like head to

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Speaker 1: head matters quality. Because I want better scheduling, I would

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Speaker 1: take it away from at large.

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Speaker 3: I just don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams. Now,

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Speaker 5: even if you define the criterion valued them as you're

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Speaker 5: saying in a particular order, that would help. That would

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Speaker 5: certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.

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Speaker 5: I would rather have a play in weekend. A play

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Speaker 5: in weekend with fourteen teams would create more value at

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Speaker 5: the top because there would only be two buys. So

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Speaker 5: you're really creating a top end incentive for those teams

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Speaker 5: to play hard late into the season, the best teams

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Speaker 5: You know That's what I would do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got three things, though I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: to Penn State Lane Kiffin before I do that. I

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Speaker 5: Everything that you said is correct, nothing you said is

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Speaker 5: but it's certainly a lot more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen,

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Speaker 5: You take the nine, she might be crazy.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's a good way to put it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you and I did not like Penn State. They did

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Speaker 3: It's a good job.

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Speaker 5: It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then

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Speaker 5: I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I

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Speaker 5: Kurt Signetty was like, Nope, that ain't That ain't my bag.

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Speaker 3: So I think here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: I think that Penn State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard,

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Speaker 5: So now I think that there's probably a couple of

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Speaker 5: the way, is National Signing Day Early signing day. Players

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Speaker 5: State doesn't have a coach, which is wild. It speaks

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Speaker 5: to the possible mismanagement of what's going on, or at

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Speaker 3: And if you just.

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Speaker 5: Go process of elimination, this is not information that I've

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Speaker 5: Kirby's not going anywhere. Sataki told him no, Joey Maguire's

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Speaker 5: they already have a place to go. Is it Tony

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Speaker 1: Caylin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy.

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Speaker 5: I haven't No one's told me that officially, but I

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Speaker 1: He's got to still be coaching that's clet That's pretty

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Speaker 1: good closure right there. You just went Mariano Rivera on us.

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Speaker 1: That was a pretty good clothes right.

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Speaker 3: Cut her in on the hands.

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Speaker 1: Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man, you're getting good games.

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Speaker 2: You love it.

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Speaker 1: Did you get a job promotion here at the company

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Speaker 5: No, they said that I've been I've been doing a

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Speaker 5: See you, brother, that's interesting. I think Klein de Bor

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think Bama's you know, everybody's banging on. He's not

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Speaker 1: coaching the Savan Bama teams. You understand Saban left Bama, right.

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Speaker 1: You think it's because of age, but you watch Saban

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Speaker 1: Saban get out. I said this about four years ago.

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Speaker 1: He played Sark when the nil started, about four years ago,

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Speaker 1: that Texas money and Saban's no dummy. Remember he started

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Speaker 1: Caitlin de Boord takes it. Everybody's like, well, he's not

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that that Cowboys Lions game. Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: Looks like a tremendous interior offensive lineman. The Micah trade,

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Speaker 1: They're better without Micah. For everybody that said, oh Dallas crazy,

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Speaker 1: nine months, still got two first round picks. The Quinn

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Speaker 1: Williams move has transformed the defense. Getting Kenny Clark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when Micah was there, and this is before they paid

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Speaker 1: him the big money, the run defense was atrocious. The

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Speaker 1: overall defense was bad. You could have issues like you

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Speaker 1: can the Rams won a Super Bowl without good safeties.

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Speaker 1: You can have issues on the back end of your

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Speaker 1: defense because remember December and January football, Miami Dolphins had

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Speaker 1: Waddle and Tyreek Hill. How they do in December and January.

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Speaker 1: What you can't have is a bad run game. Dallas

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Speaker 1: last couple of years with Micah was bad against the run,

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Speaker 1: and so by getting Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark, they're

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Speaker 1: great against the run, forcing teams to now have to

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Speaker 1: pass on Dallas's terms, not their terms. So it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Not every divorce is one sided. Sometimes both people do

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Speaker 1: really really well. Green Bay upgraded, Dallas upgraded, much more flexibility,

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Speaker 1: and we haven't even seen their two picks yet. I

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Speaker 1: keep thinking they're gonna get in an edge rusher. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're getting quarterback in the pressure. Now, just draft a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Ohio State guys. That's my remedy to fix

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Speaker 1: your defense. Go take a couple of puck guys. J

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Speaker 1: Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, turn on the news. This is the herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 7: All right, We're going to your Bears. They're in your backyard.

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Speaker 2: You love you some.

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Speaker 8: Ben Johnson, remember when he got the Bears head coaching job,

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Speaker 8: Colin he was talking a little bit of smack, said

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Speaker 8: he kind of enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice a year

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Speaker 8: while running the offense for the Lions. Well, Ben Johnson, Hey,

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Speaker 8: don't let your mouth write checks at your butt. Can't

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Speaker 8: cash Colin big one this weekend. Ben Johnson's Bears against

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Speaker 8: the Lafleur's defense.

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Speaker 7: Here's Johnson talking about the matchup.

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Speaker 9: They're all over the field, and so we've got a

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Speaker 9: tall task here at hand. And then when you combine

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Speaker 9: it with the scheme, I think Hathley does a great

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Speaker 9: job of making it simple for them and yet to

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Speaker 9: the offense, it can seem fairly complex, and those guys

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Speaker 9: just go out and they play really really fast, and

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Speaker 9: that's what shows up all over the tape.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he didn't compliment the offense. He's an

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Speaker 1: offensive guy. He gave all the love to the defense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so are you still surprised that this is six

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Speaker 7: and a half?

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Speaker 1: This line, I'm one of my bets of the week.

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Speaker 1: Is a very close game. I think green Bay at

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Speaker 1: home probably wins, but six and a half points.

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Speaker 8: So it is interesting when the sometimes the Packers they've

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Speaker 8: had a couple letdowns.

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Speaker 7: Remember that Panthers game is like, what's what's.

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Speaker 3: Going on with Cleveland game?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: What are Cleveland and the Panthers not good football teams?

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Speaker 8: I know the Panthers are seven and six, but you

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Speaker 8: know what I'm talking about now when they play the

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Speaker 8: cream of the crop, Packers rise up.

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Speaker 7: I'm very curious. Listen, we know what the Bears want

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Speaker 7: to do. They want to run the football and get

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Speaker 7: a lead.

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Speaker 8: Right, you can be able to do that against his

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Speaker 8: Packers defense.

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Speaker 7: Look at the numbers here, Colin. They don't give up anything.

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Speaker 8: Mike up Parsons probably second best defensive point.

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Speaker 3: What's your best game? What's your best bet on the

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Speaker 3: board this week.

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Speaker 8: I can't give that out on a Wednesday. Come on, dog,

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Speaker 8: you gotta wait for it.

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Speaker 7: I will say. I'm on the opposite side of you here.

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Speaker 8: I did bet the Packers six and a half. They're

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Speaker 8: a great teaser leg, you know, the six point teaser.

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Speaker 8: But I think the Packers hand a little truth theorem

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Speaker 8: to your boys.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I heard at Philadelphia. That was

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Speaker 1: gonna be truth serum.

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Speaker 7: I didn't say that somebody.

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Speaker 3: Keep drinking the serum and then get sick.

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Speaker 8: All right, Let's move on to a college football and

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Speaker 8: the Old Miss saga.

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Speaker 7: How about this one?

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Speaker 8: So offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior, Yeah, he left Ole

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Speaker 8: Miss with Lane to go to LSU, but he is

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Speaker 8: going to call plays for Old Miss during the college

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Speaker 8: football playoffs. Obviously they wanted to Ole Miss made some concessions.

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Speaker 8: They want to make sure they host the first round game.

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Speaker 8: You know, they didn't want any of that FSU stuff

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Speaker 8: that happened a couple of years ago to happen to

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Speaker 8: Old Miss. I don't have a huge problem with this, colin,

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Speaker 8: but if you noticed yesterday on social media, some Old

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Speaker 8: Miss players were criticizing Lane's comments, like, bro, that's not

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Speaker 8: what you told us in the locker room. And now

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Speaker 8: the old miss ad is coming out and saying and

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Speaker 8: this just is breaking. Now, Hey, guys, Lane knew he

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Speaker 8: wasn't gonna coach these guys in the playoffs, So.

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Speaker 7: What he's talking about lies basically.

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Speaker 8: And I just wonder what are the players going to

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Speaker 8: think when the OC leaves, what's coming back to call plays?

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Speaker 8: Isn't there still a disconnect? Like, dude, you left us. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: I I don't like it at all.

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Speaker 3: I would just listen.

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Speaker 1: The breakup felt gross to begin with, but it's Lane's history.

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Speaker 1: I would not go back to coach. These people were

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Speaker 1: at an airport, screaming.

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Speaker 8: Carrying their babies and screaming explitives link Kiff.

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Speaker 1: Can you ever imagine if I said to you in

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Speaker 1: your life, at some point, for any reason whatsoever, you

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Speaker 1: drive to a private airport to flip people off and

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Speaker 1: scream at them.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that could get you there?

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Speaker 8: I mean maybe if you fired me from this job,

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Speaker 8: and I you know, have your family was penniless.

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Speaker 7: You know I'm yell at you.

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Speaker 1: I'm first of all, I don't go to private airport.

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Speaker 1: Second of all, I don't have that power. I'm in

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Speaker 1: for row twenty eight on Southwest.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's right, economy, I forgot it.

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Speaker 8: But in all honesty, think about Charlie Whist Junior walking

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Speaker 8: back into the locker room.

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Speaker 7: It's weird and everybody's looking at him like you ditched us.

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Speaker 7: I don't look at all. So I don't know how

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Speaker 7: you're anty capping this.

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Speaker 8: But all I know is if I'm a top four seed,

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Speaker 8: I want to see Old Miss in my first round game.

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Speaker 8: I think that's an easy dub for whoever Old Miss

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Speaker 8: you want that seed? I think it's the three.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I saw I thought that last night. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I want to play Old Miss.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, assuming they get by their first matchup. All right,

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Speaker 8: final story call, Let's go to the Eagles. You know,

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Speaker 8: I pressed my guy Martin here, like, what's the real

567
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Speaker 8: story with the Eagles? I don't want to hear this. Well,

568
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Speaker 8: the offensive line stakes they were great last year. Saquon

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Speaker 8: Barkley got slow. It's more than that, Like you said,

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Speaker 8: they lead the league in three and outs. They've blown

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Speaker 8: two fourth quarter leads at home. It's very bizarre. They

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Speaker 8: got blown out by the g men. Okay, Nick Sirianni's

573
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Speaker 8: searching for answers and this is his best bet as

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Speaker 8: to what the hell's going on.

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Speaker 6: Of course, none of us are are are doing a good,

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Speaker 6: good enough job right now. We all got it. We

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Speaker 6: all have to look internally and get better. And that

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Speaker 6: doesn't that When I say that, hopefully you guys always

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Speaker 6: understand that I'm looking at myself very first, and I'm

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Speaker 6: looking at the coaches to do the same thing, and

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Speaker 6: obviously the players will do the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I know nobody wants to hear this, but

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl hangover is a thing coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's real.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it didn't really happen on the Chiefs every year.

587
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Speaker 8: They had Mahomes who was young and read. But I

588
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Speaker 8: look at this Eagles team and they look like they're

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Speaker 8: going through the motions.

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Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Well, I think the thing with me,

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Speaker 1: it's another I'll give you two teams this year. The

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine Ers defensive coordinator and the Eagles

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator are proving it's not just about players. We

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Speaker 1: always think this league is about quarterbacks and head coaches coordinators.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason they make seven figures. The Eagles talent

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Speaker 1: on offense is remarkable. Talent on defense is bottom ten.

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Speaker 1: Right now, great coordinators change outcomes.

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Speaker 3: That's what I said.

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Speaker 1: Robert Sala has to be the assistant of the year

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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that that's not a bad I mean yeah, Now,

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Speaker 8: I don't know where you go with that, Like does

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Speaker 8: he get interviews instantly? Like just look out to Jets

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Speaker 8: five minutes ago, I would hire Sala in one minute,

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Speaker 8: I probably yeah, yeah, But I will just say about

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Speaker 8: the Eagles, Colin, they had a weird thing.

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Speaker 7: Did you see Jihad Campbell? I probably butchering his name.

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Speaker 8: The rookie had an awesome start to the season, and

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Speaker 8: then the linebacker Nakobe Dean comes back takes his job.

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Speaker 8: Campbell didn't have one defensive snap, and I'm like, what's

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Speaker 8: that about?

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Speaker 7: And then they got run over.

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Speaker 8: Dean's more of an edge rusher, Campbell's a tough linebacker.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know what's going on in that with

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Speaker 8: the coaches. You oc Like, I know his house got egged.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure you saw by some unruly Eagles fans who

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Speaker 8: have no life Thanksgiving weekend to go eggs egg accord

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Speaker 8: House like things are just wacky.

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Speaker 3: And Philip they are Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Judge cow Herd, the Honorable Judge cow Herd will deliver

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Speaker 1: his herdices on uh quarterbacks in this league young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Next we're live in Chicago, which the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 8: It's a great time to be a soccer fan. On Friday,

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Speaker 8: it all kicks off with the FIFA World Cup Final

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Speaker 8: draw at eleven thirty am Eastern on Fox. Then on Saturday,

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Speaker 8: Messy and Inter Miami square off against Vancouver for the

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Speaker 8: MLS Cup at two thirty pm Eastern, also on Fox.

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Speaker 3: Fired up for that Fired up for that draw? I

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Speaker 3: know you are well.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Honorable Judge Cowhard presiding in the

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Speaker 1: court of my opinion today. You give me all the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: all the young quarterbacks in the League twenty twenty four class.

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Speaker 3: I am ready. Let's make judgments fire away.

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Speaker 8: Do you accept the case that Caleb Williams is a

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Speaker 8: franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let me direct your attention to Caleb's star witnesses,

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Speaker 1: head coach Ben Johnson. One of the best passers on

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Speaker 1: third down thanks to Ben Johnson fourth highest touchdown interception

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Speaker 1: ratio thirty seven touchdown to eleven picks since he entered

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Speaker 1: the league.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, oh boy, what.

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Speaker 7: A lenient judge.

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Speaker 8: Do you accept the case that Jaden Daniels is a

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Speaker 8: franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Now everyone ry and raise your right hand for Jaden's

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Speaker 1: left elbow. Yes, listen, highest completion percentage by any rookie

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Speaker 1: quarterback ever. He is a highly mobile, highly accurate, highly coachable,

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Speaker 1: really bright kid who's injury prone.

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Speaker 3: The verdict is yes, he's a franchise guy.

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Speaker 8: I like how they got a photo of you smiling.

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Speaker 8: Judges should be serious. Do you accept the case that

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Speaker 8: Drake May is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: I would like to state for the record that Drake

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Speaker 1: May is arguably the best quarterback out of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four draft class. Yes, on pace to be the

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Speaker 1: second youngest quarterback to lead the NFL in passer rating.

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Speaker 3: Who's number one?

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino greatness in a league of mediocrity, is easy

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Speaker 1: to spot.

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Speaker 3: Drake May is great.

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Speaker 7: Right now we get to the hard ones.

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Speaker 8: Colin, do you accept the case that Michael Pennix is

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Speaker 8: a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: As you're judge, you are instructed to disregard what you

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Speaker 1: saw at the University of Washington. He just had his

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Speaker 1: third major knee surgery in his young career.

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Speaker 3: No is the answer. He is a pure.

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Speaker 1: Pocket passer, I said when he came out early injury.

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Speaker 1: Would scare me right now as winds are over. JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, and Drew Locke so far, No, not a

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Speaker 1: franchise cool, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: All right, I kind of agree. Do you accept the

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Speaker 7: case that J. J.

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Speaker 8: McCarthy, after like seven starts is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: As I stated earlier, the evidence does not support any

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Speaker 1: argument that JJ is ready to start a franchise That

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Speaker 1: my Kings have averaged seventeen points a game when he starts,

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Speaker 1: his completion percentage is rough fifty four percent passer rating

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Speaker 1: minimum hundred attempts, minimum one hundred and ten fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: There's no no evidence to support, As your judge, there

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Speaker 1: is no evidence to support he's a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 8: All right, do you accept the case that bo Nicks

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Speaker 8: is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Remember, j Mac, we are all under oath to solemnly

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Speaker 1: swear that bow Nicks is ready to lead a franchise. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he leaves the NFL the last two years with eight

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Speaker 1: game winning drive. There is an it quality to being

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Speaker 1: a franchise guy in this league. You can be great early,

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Speaker 1: but if you shrink late, no thanks. He can struggle early.

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Speaker 1: He and Caleb both can they rise late? That's a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 8: And finally, do you accept the case that Spencer Rattler

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Speaker 8: is a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Stating his full name for the record, Spencer Benson Rattler. No,

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Speaker 1: he is a backup quarterback. I mean, come on, he's

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Speaker 1: one in thirteen twelve touchdowns, fifteen giveaways, and a passer

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Speaker 1: rating under Rady. He's talented. He reminds me of Drew Law.

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Speaker 1: I can see the talent. I know he's got a

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Speaker 1: good arm. I know he moves. Okay, you gotta win games.

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Speaker 1: You gotta make good decisions. You see who the Saints

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Speaker 1: replaced him with last week A couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Tyler, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 8: Forgot about Spencer Ratler honestly, but listen, you're a lenient judge, Colin.

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Speaker 7: Let's be real.

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Speaker 8: It's a little early on Pennix and McCarthy given the injuries.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Pennis barely started last year.

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Speaker 1: I will say, of all these, I feel very strongly,

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Speaker 1: what's really the Michael Pennock's.

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Speaker 3: Injury his third yeah is so I.

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Speaker 1: Think if you're Atlanta now you've got to start drafting

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback because he has him an elite and

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Speaker 1: he can't stay healthy. I've said this with JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: You would know if he could stay healthy if he

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Speaker 1: was the guy by now. That's the worst part. You

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Speaker 1: don't think he is, but you don't really know because

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Speaker 1: he's not available to start. Bo Nix and Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: Bonicks doesn't get sacked and he's durable. Caleb doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: picks and they're durable, and they're both great late. So

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Speaker 1: I don't expect everybody to be Drake May. I will say,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday. If you go back to

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Speaker 1: the last and I don't top of my head thirty drafts,

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Speaker 1: you get one franchise quarterback, no doubt about it. Good

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Speaker 1: guy can make a Pro Bowl or two or three

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Speaker 1: or four. You get one franchise quarterback every draft. I

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Speaker 1: think quarterback plays better now in college you may get

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Speaker 1: two now, but you get a star about every four

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Speaker 1: to five years. You get a Drake may or you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Drake may is a star. Drake May is

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Speaker 1: a They don't even have a good old line or

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Speaker 1: a good run game, and they maybe the number one

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Speaker 1: seed with Denver. You have a stacked fro Denver's roster,

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Speaker 1: Chicago's roster, there's no holes, right, I mean like New

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Speaker 1: England's roster. I don't like their own line or their

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Speaker 1: run game, and they have no number one receiver. Drake

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Speaker 1: may is what you get every every fourth draft, like

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Speaker 1: a star.

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Speaker 8: But I don't like to throw around franchise quarterback tags,

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Speaker 8: So I'll ask you, like, is Baker Mayfield the franchise

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Speaker 8: quarterback he's on like his sixteen Okay, Sam Donald, I'm

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Speaker 8: assuming you think is a franchise lu Yes, Okay, Well

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Speaker 8: if that's the case, then yes, I will agree with

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Speaker 8: some of these colins.

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Speaker 7: But let me ask you about Bryce Young because.

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Speaker 8: Last year, if you had asked franchise cour at hell nough, right.

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Speaker 7: This year.

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Speaker 8: You're like, I can see him being my quarterback for

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Speaker 8: the next two or three.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so this is good. So you and I have

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Speaker 1: talked about this. Put it in context. Sam Darnold's a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback at thirty three million a year, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's Baker, who can be reckless, is a franchise quarterback

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Speaker 1: at thirty five million year. I would keep Bryce Young

758
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Speaker 1: at thirty three. I'm letting him go if the demand

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Speaker 1: is forty six. He is ball, he can get banged up.

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Speaker 1: They have a pretty good run game right now, so

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Speaker 1: he's got a very good offensive coach Dave Kanalis, and

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Speaker 1: the Panthers have two running backs, Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dawdle.

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Speaker 1: Those are good players, and they have upgraded their defense.

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Speaker 1: I think Dan Morgan's actually are really sharp former player,

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Speaker 1: really sharp GM. The guys in the league I know

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Speaker 1: really like Dan Morgan. I think Canalis is good.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not blame.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Bryce Young's only good because of them,

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Speaker 1: because nobody's good with bad gms and bad coaches. I

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Speaker 1: think Bryce Young is one of those guys. Like I

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Speaker 1: like Bryce Young. I think he has more talent than

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Daniel's bigger. Okay, I think Daniel's got a

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Speaker 1: better arm and is bigger. I think I think Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young's more talented. I think he's got I think he's

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Speaker 1: just more efficient, more accurate. So I think there's those

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Speaker 1: guys like Daniel Jones and Bryce Young. I think they're

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. The number has to be in the thirties

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Speaker 1: and then you have to be like, you know, nine

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Speaker 1: to twelve percent of the salary cap.

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Speaker 3: You can't be twenty six percent.

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Speaker 8: Colin, You're right, So maybe we need new a new

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Speaker 8: label from franchise quarterback, well thirty five mil versus DAK

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Speaker 8: because if you look at the AFC standings, college take

784
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Speaker 8: look the playoff teams, look at all the top teams.

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Speaker 8: Tell me what you one of those guys are franchise

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Speaker 8: quarterback because Bo Nicks and Drake May it's up two

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Speaker 8: seeds rookie quarterback deal. They're franchise quarterbacks on a rookie deal.

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Speaker 8: Like Trevor Lawrence hasn't totally kicked in. Lamar Jackson's barely

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Speaker 8: in there. They're paying Lamar Herbert rookie deal. Daniel Jones

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Speaker 8: small deal. Look who's on the outside. Patrick Mahomes, you

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Speaker 8: got pay them a lot. Joe Burrow, I know he's

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Speaker 8: been hurt, but franchise quarterback money matters.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how we re.

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Speaker 1: I think there's three kind of quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Franchise bridge and backup on the bridge. I think Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young is a guy that you get a favorable deal

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Speaker 1: on and then you start drafting quarterbacks from the third

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Speaker 1: and fourth round because he's injury prone, and you just

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Speaker 1: every other year, let's just draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 1: I used to think that about Dak and it takes

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Speaker 1: a while. Now Dak's in his tenth year and he's

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Speaker 1: literally as good as anybody in the league this year consistently,

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Speaker 1: he and Stafford. So I think it's hard. Quarterback's the

805
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Speaker 1: hardest position. I mean, if you go look at the

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Speaker 1: thirty best offensive ta in league history, twenty seven are

807
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Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. Most of your great egge

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Speaker 1: rushers and defensive tackles first round. But there are positions

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Speaker 1: like quarterback where Dak fourth round. I mean, just start

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Speaker 1: start looking around. Jalen Hurt, second round, Baker third or

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Speaker 1: fourth team, Sam Darnold, the world gave up on him,

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Speaker 1: brought pretty seventh round.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's not easy.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback is leadership and toughness and guile and and pre snap.

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Speaker 1: It's a really hard position. There are three categories. You're

816
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Speaker 1: a franchise guy Justin Herbert, You're a bridge guy Jacoby Brissett,

817
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Speaker 1: and then you're a backup whoever you want to.

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Speaker 3: You know, Zach Wilson, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think the tough one is when you get a

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young and.

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Speaker 3: You're like, all right, we like him. He falls in

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Speaker 3: the Baker class.

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying him forty nine fifty four million a year,

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Speaker 1: but I honestly three he's good.

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Speaker 8: Colin Drake may fifty mil. They're gonna be fine. Oh

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Speaker 8: I'll be dead serious. I don't think you can pay

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Speaker 8: bo Nick's fifty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 7: Let's get expect Denver to compete. Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 7: you can.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's give him another ten to fifteen starts. Let's

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Speaker 1: give Caleb another ten to fifteen starts. I do think Caleb,

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Speaker 1: if you're talking, if you're telling me, he's going to

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Speaker 1: complete fifty eight percent of his throws at some point

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Speaker 1: if you pay him, I mean, if they paid Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams this season.

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Speaker 3: Could you keep Joe Tooney? Could you keep DJ Moore?

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Speaker 3: Could you? I mean you couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Could you keep Jalen Johnson, Our three, Albert Breer, Alexi

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Speaker 1: Lowlam coming on