Speaker 1: What's up, family, I'm your girl to mek A D. Mallory,
Speaker 1: it's your boy, my son in general, and we are
Speaker 1: your host of street politicians the place where this is
Speaker 1: a heavy show, Mike, were getting ready to get into
Speaker 1: something that's deep, deep, deep deep deep. Ready. This is
Speaker 1: a tough one man, you know. Just over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, you know, this first story that we're
Speaker 1: talking about had me and tears. And I don't usually cry,
Speaker 1: but this won't hav me in tears. You cry sometimes
Speaker 1: for me, I try not to, you know, trying not
Speaker 1: to try not to cry. I do. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I'm one of the people that trying not to cry.
Speaker 1: I'm getting better aty not to cry. You should get
Speaker 1: at it, yeah, because the stuff we deal with is heavy.
Speaker 1: It's heavy, and actually I've been really um. I have
Speaker 1: actually been blessed by the fact that you and other
Speaker 1: men around y'all do expect yourselves not just in tears,
Speaker 1: but even in words and just making it clear to hey,
Speaker 1: this ship hurts. You know it hurts. So I don't
Speaker 1: think you should try not to cry, but you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see you crying any minute. All
Speaker 1: the time every day, because I don't think you want
Speaker 1: to see me crying every minute all the time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a heavy discussion. We're talking about this new term
Speaker 1: that we're learning around medical kidnapping. Some people are calling
Speaker 1: it legal kidnapping. Others are calling it removal of children
Speaker 1: from the home, which is the that's really the basis
Speaker 1: of the argument. There's some people who are um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just calling all types of things and I'm learning something.
Speaker 1: I'm learning so many terms and the other thing, I
Speaker 1: think that this whole and then we're also talking about
Speaker 1: human trafficking and how the things intersect um and and
Speaker 1: one of the things that I know, and it's been
Speaker 1: said to us a million times, you know, the adults
Speaker 1: will always say, you stop learning a debt. So for us,
Speaker 1: this is a new world that we've been introduced to
Speaker 1: and we're learning new terminology, learning about issues that we
Speaker 1: don't even know, and how it kind of connects to
Speaker 1: the work we do every day. Yeah, interesting, very much so, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's this this listening, you know, just
Speaker 1: viewing what's happened with Sasha and time in Tyrene and
Speaker 1: just seeing what's going on, just paying attention and to
Speaker 1: start learning. There was a line you have to tell
Speaker 1: people whose sight in Tyrene if you haven't been paying
Speaker 1: attention to the news. Um, there are a couple whose
Speaker 1: baby was, you know, medically kidnapped as you said, or
Speaker 1: people say that some people say and just watching it.
Speaker 1: There was alive where she had to turn in her
Speaker 1: baby to the to the hospital, and she was on
Speaker 1: live with another young lady who I think maybe have
Speaker 1: been a lawyer or something, and she was giving them
Speaker 1: terms to use as they took took her baby, wouldn't
Speaker 1: allow into the hospital, wouldn't allow them to do to
Speaker 1: even be there while they took tests or did whatever
Speaker 1: that was they would do. So I was just listening
Speaker 1: to the lady and she was giving her advice and saying,
Speaker 1: ask them these questions right this down, asked them, all
Speaker 1: you telling me that I can't be present with my child?
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that I'm not allowed to be
Speaker 1: present with my child while you are performing medical examinations?
Speaker 1: Like there was a lot of things going on in
Speaker 1: that thing, and I just started learning. And you know,
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's we need to be informed, we
Speaker 1: need to know what our legal rights. All we need
Speaker 1: to know what they're able to do, what they're not
Speaker 1: able to do. So this whole situation every day, every minute,
Speaker 1: I'm learning more and more about it. Yeah. No, So
Speaker 1: Saisha and Ti Tyrene Um, so that folks know, Uh,
Speaker 1: they are a couple that after their child was one
Speaker 1: years old, they lost their son. And after losing the
Speaker 1: first baby, it was already determined that CPS Child Protective
Speaker 1: Services would be somehow involved in the birth of a
Speaker 1: new child that Saysha was pregnant with, which baby I set.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a beautiful name. Uh. She was
Speaker 1: now returned to her family, but after one week she
Speaker 1: had been removed from the household because of the things
Speaker 1: that have been already happening with baby Rock. Um. And
Speaker 1: so they are this has been going off for six
Speaker 1: months that their son was removed from the home and Um,
Speaker 1: there's a movement that has really been developing around helping
Speaker 1: them to fight for their children and so Um, like
Speaker 1: you said, we've been getting deep into learning and understanding
Speaker 1: that there are so many families across the country. And
Speaker 1: guess what, there's some families that probably need their children
Speaker 1: taken right. Some there are people who do not deserve
Speaker 1: to have children. But when I see the number of
Speaker 1: folks that have been reaching out to us recently, they
Speaker 1: know about some's wrong here. Something is wrong, because I
Speaker 1: don't you just look at just look at the way
Speaker 1: that this couple love doing their children and used to
Speaker 1: just see the intensity and an intention of love that
Speaker 1: they give to these babies. You know, it just it
Speaker 1: seems like something is definitely all wrong here. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: being being a loving parents, being a good person does
Speaker 1: not mean you're perfect. It just all may that not
Speaker 1: being perfect doesn't mean that's somebody to take your children
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You might not get the laxation process right,
Speaker 1: which was the case in sietious situation. You might not
Speaker 1: get you know, the child might fall and hurt themselves.
Speaker 1: And I get it. The system doesn't know when to
Speaker 1: activate and when not. Because you don't know people lie.
Speaker 1: Children can't necessarily speak for themselves or advocate. But there
Speaker 1: has to be a better way than to rip babies
Speaker 1: out the arms of their mothers, mothers and fathers. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about that today, and I had I have
Speaker 1: a little thought though that is totally not a part
Speaker 1: of this conversation around um, these new terms that we're
Speaker 1: learning medical kidnapping, understanding more about human trafficking and sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: Those things are really serious and we really are focused
Speaker 1: on that in this show. UM, like my Daughter of
Speaker 1: the Day, as I have been on my social media
Speaker 1: the last few days, and you know that. Uh, I
Speaker 1: mean obviously you invited uh Snoop to be on our board.
Speaker 1: These Uncle Snoop dogs to us. We love him so much. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's a great support of Until Freedom, our organization, Until
Speaker 1: Freedom Go. Get you a T shirt from where Until
Speaker 1: Freedom is that? And um, and he has been talking
Speaker 1: about this Craig challenge. I'm trying to understand most people,
Speaker 1: most people, because there are some people who are there
Speaker 1: definite and usually as white folks that be their deafin.
Speaker 1: Most people get hurt doing something that they did not
Speaker 1: want to get hurt. They weren't trying to get hurt,
Speaker 1: they weren't expecting to get hurt, and they thought that
Speaker 1: the odds for them to to do this thing, we
Speaker 1: are tying their favor right. They thought they thought I
Speaker 1: could ride this motorcycle. I'm a willie. I know that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be, but the odds are most people can
Speaker 1: pop a willie and they're good. Right. The crate challenge,
Speaker 1: the odds are all the way against you, and only
Speaker 1: a point point point one percent of people will actually succeed.
Speaker 1: But dot two, three four or whatever, getting as close
Speaker 1: to a hundred percent as possible will not just fall,
Speaker 1: but will hit the concrete. You don't have control of
Speaker 1: your face, your head, nothing, or you're hitting these crates.
Speaker 1: I've seen people hit their their head with the crates.
Speaker 1: I've seen people their sides getting slammed. So they are
Speaker 1: intentionally going out to do something where the odds are
Speaker 1: that you could really hurt yourself really bad. And I'm
Speaker 1: trying to understand who the hell came up with it,
Speaker 1: and why are black people who, by the way, don't
Speaker 1: like to go to the hospital because we are not
Speaker 1: treated properly when we get there. And a lot of
Speaker 1: us don't have proper health insurance. Some of us don't
Speaker 1: have health insurance at all. Some folks got to go
Speaker 1: to work, or at least I thought maybe the pandemic's
Speaker 1: got something to do with it, because you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be at work now, your arm is hurting, your head's hurtain.
Speaker 1: You don't got knocked out your side, it's not right?
Speaker 1: What sense that maybe you could tell me? What sense
Speaker 1: does this make? It is stupid? It ain't like for me,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it and I'm like, yo, who came
Speaker 1: up with? Let me just see if I could Because
Speaker 1: after watching two or three of them in the way
Speaker 1: they're falling, I'm like, it's no way I'm trying that,
Speaker 1: Like if there's no possible way that I'm walking up
Speaker 1: crates where people fall on a slide on a side,
Speaker 1: the legs flip open, people hitting the ground. The last
Speaker 1: onee somebody, the last one I've seen. Moody actually kicked
Speaker 1: the dude all of his and he felt it almost
Speaker 1: broke his neck. And I'm like, yo, why do we
Speaker 1: find amusement in the stupidest ship? Like what it is? Like?
Speaker 1: What it's like? We ain't chat. We don't have the
Speaker 1: challenge to get money, We don't have the challenge to
Speaker 1: build business. We ain't got the challenge to be entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1: We ain't got the challenge to friends make money together
Speaker 1: a challenge, but we got to create chat like come on,
Speaker 1: like I mean, listen, I guess it's entertained to somebody.
Speaker 1: For me, it's stupid do pick completely, and I hope
Speaker 1: that people will be smarter than the stupidity that we see.
Speaker 1: Because it's done. Before we go to the next segment
Speaker 1: and have our special guests joint, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break for our sponsors. So I am uh just
Speaker 1: so how be. But unfortunately it's not a happy occasion,
Speaker 1: uh to have a young woman with us today that
Speaker 1: has really truly UM over the last few weeks shown
Speaker 1: me what humble aggression is all about. A very uh,
Speaker 1: soft spoken woman but yet very powerful in that when
Speaker 1: she sees injustice, she's gonna find everybody that's necessary to
Speaker 1: get involved and to help. UM. Most of you saw
Speaker 1: that until Freedom has been supporting Saysha and Ti, who
Speaker 1: lost their two children. They've now UM received one of
Speaker 1: their babies back, been reunited with with with their younger
Speaker 1: daughter UM with the newborn, but they still have not
Speaker 1: been reunited with their son. And there is a major
Speaker 1: campaign to bring raw home. And you all have been
Speaker 1: very much so involved in that, UM. But I've found
Speaker 1: out because Tatiana ilily called me and over the last
Speaker 1: few weeks, UM, we have bonded. Unfortunately, in trauma, a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't recognize how much trauma brings people together. UM.
Speaker 1: That would be the same for our relationship, my song
Speaker 1: with the with the Brianna Taylors family, with Trayvon Martin's family.
Speaker 1: You've become really close to so many individuals based upon trauma,
Speaker 1: and that has happened here with Tatiana and I being
Speaker 1: on the phone morning, noon and night trying to assist
Speaker 1: this family in whatever way that we can, understanding that
Speaker 1: the system we're up against has a lot of power
Speaker 1: and a lot of people who support it, even people
Speaker 1: who look like us. So Tatiana, this past weekend you
Speaker 1: were in um Sara sold to Florida at a rally
Speaker 1: that we all kind of worked on. UM. A shout
Speaker 1: out to the family and our sister Denisia, who was
Speaker 1: really the lead organizer on putting the alete together. And
Speaker 1: we were all supposed to be there, and then Hurricane
Speaker 1: Henry Kane and decided that those of us leaving from
Speaker 1: the northeast wouldn't be able to make it. But you
Speaker 1: were still able to go trade the truth to our brother,
Speaker 1: who we are on the front lines with every day,
Speaker 1: was there. He could travel. Thankfully this time the hurricane
Speaker 1: wasn't in Houston, Texas, where he is unfortunately always UM
Speaker 1: on the front lines dealing with people who are experiencing
Speaker 1: that issue and the tragedies associated with hurricanes. So we
Speaker 1: weren't able to be there, but you all held down
Speaker 1: the fort and we wanted to hear from you firsthand
Speaker 1: what happened. You know, what did you see? What did
Speaker 1: you experience? Thanks to make up for for everything that
Speaker 1: that you've done. And and I want to say that
Speaker 1: like I you know, I see the way you move
Speaker 1: and so um that's why I put the a p
Speaker 1: B out on you. Everybody was calling me like ta Tiana,
Speaker 1: I leave needs to talk to you. I pretext, I
Speaker 1: got emails, I got phone calls, I got d M
Speaker 1: s on Twitter and Instagram. Everybody I did um and
Speaker 1: uh so so um so in Snnesota. UM, I got
Speaker 1: a chance to um meet cit entire in person. I
Speaker 1: also got a chance to meet baby. I said, um
Speaker 1: uh and um uh baby, I said Grandma Tai's mom, Um,
Speaker 1: Mrs Elma Mackay uh. And it was just a beautiful
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful gathering of um their community and
Speaker 1: the people in their community that have really been rallying
Speaker 1: around them and getting the message out. UM. I also
Speaker 1: met other families UH from Kentucky, from Texas, from New York,
Speaker 1: from Alabama who made their way UM, who were able
Speaker 1: to make their way over UH to be there because
Speaker 1: for them, this was their first opportunity to UM, to
Speaker 1: speak on it in a more public way. They've been
Speaker 1: trying very much, and nobody's answering their calls, nobody's listening. UM.
Speaker 1: It was. I mean to say, it was a unity rally.
Speaker 1: It started with meditation, It started with quiet, and you know,
Speaker 1: people's hearts are broken because they're longing for their children. UM.
Speaker 1: And in many cases they are the very space that
Speaker 1: they went to for help is where they were attacked
Speaker 1: and where they were victimizing, where their children were taken
Speaker 1: or you know, um illegally or legally sorry, legally kidnapped. UM.
Speaker 1: It was. It was beautiful that all the families spoke. UM.
Speaker 1: There was music, UM, and it was a lot. This
Speaker 1: was just yesterday. So so I'm I'm still just kind
Speaker 1: of downloading with myself just you know, emotionally what was there.
Speaker 1: And and sometimes you go into these spaces and you know,
Speaker 1: I was there for to help and to say like
Speaker 1: you know, I care, and I'm there and I'm willing
Speaker 1: to too, willing and I hope God willing able to
Speaker 1: help as much as I can, but also to provide
Speaker 1: encouragement that they're not alone in sarah Soota, and that
Speaker 1: there are people all over the country and even people
Speaker 1: outside of the country who are starting to pay attention
Speaker 1: and who who want to help and want to know
Speaker 1: how to help. Um it's tough. It's tough. When I
Speaker 1: one of the things that I said when I was there,
Speaker 1: when I got a chance to speak, and your message
Speaker 1: that you sent, Tomika was really well received and and
Speaker 1: it was beautiful and very powerful, as you always are. UM.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I um I said is,
Speaker 1: and it's true. What drew me in to their story
Speaker 1: when it was sent to me by a friend was
Speaker 1: amen Ra's eyes. They look like my baby's eyes. They're
Speaker 1: full of light. They're happy, they're joyful. You know how,
Speaker 1: you know how black babies when we love on them,
Speaker 1: they're all nice and oil and their hair is curl
Speaker 1: because they got the oils on them. You know, they
Speaker 1: got cocoa butter and shay and everything. And this is
Speaker 1: what this baby looks like. And and and and immediately
Speaker 1: just from his face, from from the light in his eyes,
Speaker 1: I thought, wait a minute, he has loved what is
Speaker 1: going on here. And and I recognize my sons in
Speaker 1: him and in all of the children whose pictures were
Speaker 1: up there. And you know, wrong is wrong? Um? I
Speaker 1: feel like if if we are a village, you know,
Speaker 1: independent of how far we are by miles, and when
Speaker 1: you take our children, there has to be a response.
Speaker 1: They're there. Without our children, we we don't have anything.
Speaker 1: You know, they are there are greatest wildest dreams, dreams
Speaker 1: we can't even begin to conceive of. They are those
Speaker 1: things manifest in this world, and without them we have nothing.
Speaker 1: They can't they can't. This can't stand, so can I?
Speaker 1: I want to ask you like a two part question.
Speaker 1: First of all, for for all of those I think
Speaker 1: pretty much most people know what happened with the situation,
Speaker 1: but some people may not. So I want you to
Speaker 1: give like a brief synopsis about what happened. And then
Speaker 1: you know, you talked about the rally and the people
Speaker 1: who were there and some of the stories. Can you,
Speaker 1: like give us a couple of the stories, because this,
Speaker 1: to me, this is my bigline when I first seen this,
Speaker 1: I couldn't even believe this was happening. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's hard for a lot of people to understand,
Speaker 1: and it's hard for a lot of people to believe.
Speaker 1: And I'll share a little bit about what brought me
Speaker 1: to this work, and by my baseline is maybe it's
Speaker 1: easier for me to believe. So I had an experience
Speaker 1: with the birth of my son i Sie, he now five,
Speaker 1: in the hospital that was dreadful. It. You know, they
Speaker 1: they did many things wrong and um, many things that
Speaker 1: are abusive, like when I explained it to professionals, their
Speaker 1: DAWs to drop the kind of physical things that were
Speaker 1: done to me. And it ended up with my baby
Speaker 1: being in the Nike for five days. And I had
Speaker 1: a very healthy pregnancy, there was no reason for him
Speaker 1: to be sick. Um, but he was hurt during my
Speaker 1: delivery by by members of the hospital and that led
Speaker 1: me to shock. You know, we were we were traumatized
Speaker 1: and extremely shocked, especially during that first year. We didn't
Speaker 1: know what hit us. And it wasn't until I became
Speaker 1: pregnant with my second son, Alejandro, that we just were like,
Speaker 1: we can't. The hospital became a scary place. I need
Speaker 1: to find some other way, and I um in my
Speaker 1: search found this was welcomed at stually by this incredible
Speaker 1: community of Black birth workers and Black Midwise and Duelus.
Speaker 1: I started working on a documentary um that I'm still
Speaker 1: in the midst of this, this working with scientation. I
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with that, but I'm sorry, citations,
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with that. But but um,
Speaker 1: I started interviewing black midwise and and and do us,
Speaker 1: and I've heard many stories about their work preemptively trying
Speaker 1: to make sure that CPS Child Protective Services does not
Speaker 1: you know, has has trying to gather trying to gather
Speaker 1: all of the information. They try to gather as much
Speaker 1: information during the pregnancy as they can so that if
Speaker 1: CPS comes their arms. You see what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: it happens so often um taking newborns away, um um
Speaker 1: and then going after other children in the home. So
Speaker 1: I had a baseline of understanding that when I met
Speaker 1: virtually with with Sigan Tie, I had heard this before.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that brand new, and it wasn't that far fetched.
Speaker 1: And what often happens UM, this is also something that's common.
Speaker 1: Saisha went to with lactation concerns. She was weaning Ra.
Speaker 1: In the process of weaning Ra, she was he was
Speaker 1: a breastfed, solely breastfed baby, and in the process of weaning.
Speaker 1: You know, anybody who's breastfed their children, I have to
Speaker 1: it's an experience that I have. UM. Even a hospital
Speaker 1: unders stands, truly understands lactation and really has lactation people there,
Speaker 1: or they don't. And UM, in this case, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been brought to my attention that the lactation people
Speaker 1: in this hospital, this one woman in particular, is horrendous
Speaker 1: and ultimately they were there for two weeks. UM they
Speaker 1: wanted to give him a very high dose of vitamin B.
Speaker 1: Um Seisha recorded the moment when they actually came in
Speaker 1: to take him to take raw away, and she didn't
Speaker 1: even decline the offer for the vitamin B. What she
Speaker 1: said was, I want to consult with my husband and
Speaker 1: because of COVID, he wasn't able to be there the
Speaker 1: whole time. He was actually on the phone, and you
Speaker 1: can hear her in her recording crying and saying I'm
Speaker 1: not saying no, I just want to I want to consult.
Speaker 1: I want more information. Now, remember she went to the
Speaker 1: hospital for help, So they're claiming medical neglect. Um, but
Speaker 1: to claim medical neglect when you're asking for medical help,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. That's that doesn't make sense. And
Speaker 1: and Manate County where they are has a history. Um,
Speaker 1: it's in if there was a USA Today article. They
Speaker 1: have a history of really doing terrible things to families
Speaker 1: and taking children out of loving homes. Um. It's incredible
Speaker 1: that some of those same workers in CPS that are
Speaker 1: in these articles still have almost a rubber stamp in
Speaker 1: the county to take children away. Why they haven't been
Speaker 1: up for review. I don't know how many articles have
Speaker 1: to be written. There apparently is even a documentary in
Speaker 1: the works at a major uh you know, uh streaming
Speaker 1: outlet about these people, and they're not up for review
Speaker 1: and they still have a rubber stamp even with this family.
Speaker 1: It's um, that's that's only part of their story. Um,
Speaker 1: there's there's uh you know, there's much more. And then
Speaker 1: they came into baby I want to say it right,
Speaker 1: I keep saying yes, But it's spelled A S T.
Speaker 1: She's named after a got it. Yeah, So that's the piece.
Speaker 1: The only other part that I didn't hear right, right,
Speaker 1: So baby asset. Now. Part of the reason uh Saysha
Speaker 1: was trying to wean baby raight at the time she
Speaker 1: was was because she was pregnant with us Set and
Speaker 1: um what while she was pregnant when they took so
Speaker 1: she was going through all of this in a pregnancy,
Speaker 1: during a pregnancy. UM. I believe I Set was born
Speaker 1: at home. They had a home birth, and they came
Speaker 1: and took her with with no cause other than the
Speaker 1: fact that they had taken raw and that happens often
Speaker 1: as well. They took her at when she was six,
Speaker 1: I think about six. I think she was like six
Speaker 1: days old, days old. Um in an incredible display of force,
Speaker 1: not feeling any of the baby. And because I'm human,
Speaker 1: my days old and you're taking my baby away from me,
Speaker 1: you're taking my baby away from me. You have no right,
Speaker 1: don't make it. I'm crazy, Okay, I know you have children.
Speaker 1: This is my baby. They terrorized this family for doing
Speaker 1: both people and that's where most people get involved, because
Speaker 1: what I mean by that, I'm talking about the general public.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, you knew and others knew, and there
Speaker 1: were some folks advocating but it was when they went
Speaker 1: live during the seizure if you will, of a child
Speaker 1: of a newborn baby, that world saw it and said,
Speaker 1: what in the hell is happening? So people know they
Speaker 1: had already they said they were coming to take the baby.
Speaker 1: The lawyer that was dealing with Rod's case, um Derreck
Speaker 1: mcburrow's that this legal team, they're doing an incredible job.
Speaker 1: They they coordinated with the property, with CPS, with the agency.
Speaker 1: They knew she was she they were bringing the baby
Speaker 1: to them, okay tow CPS. They knew they had to
Speaker 1: abide by this court order. And when they were on
Speaker 1: their way that sege happened, they already were on their way.
Speaker 1: It's just and and that part the terror, the the
Speaker 1: the this sort of active chase um and consistent, NonStop,
Speaker 1: relentless policing of of these families. That is a very
Speaker 1: that was a common theme in all the stories that
Speaker 1: were told, uh yesterday at the rally. It was a
Speaker 1: it was a common theme of all of the stories. Um.
Speaker 1: There's another theme that I find very disturbing that I've
Speaker 1: found in two stories that's not this is not part
Speaker 1: of Sation Entie story, but two of the mothers that
Speaker 1: spoke were foster children than themselves. When you're a foster child,
Speaker 1: and I'm now learning more about this, so forgive me
Speaker 1: people that are out there that no more if I
Speaker 1: say this a little off, I'm still learning. Okay, when
Speaker 1: you're apparently, when you're in foster care or you've grown
Speaker 1: up in foster care, and even after you graduate out
Speaker 1: of it, which you know happens at eighteen, you're given
Speaker 1: a number between one to thirty that I guess states
Speaker 1: your risk level, independence of whether that number was put
Speaker 1: on you fairly or not, and that number stays with
Speaker 1: you throughout your life, and if your number is too high,
Speaker 1: you're put on a live it's called a live birth list,
Speaker 1: is what I was sold. So that when you give
Speaker 1: birth in the hospital, they have the right to come
Speaker 1: and take your child, your newborn baby, based on the
Speaker 1: fact that you were a foster child, based on whatever
Speaker 1: you might have been involved with as a teenager, may
Speaker 1: or may not have. UM. I just find that astounding.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that you were in the system
Speaker 1: and say now you're now you belong to us and
Speaker 1: your children belong to us. What is happening? It's re traumatized,
Speaker 1: and it's just like you can't even escape the trauma level,
Speaker 1: and it's so unfortunate. It's really unfortunate. You know. I
Speaker 1: can hear the passion in your voice and just listening
Speaker 1: to this, it gets you emotional. It does, it does,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's um. You know, we've we've learned a
Speaker 1: language to speak about policing and to speak about um
Speaker 1: the car Serle state, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: that language applies to what's going on here. Families are
Speaker 1: being policed, children are being put into the system and
Speaker 1: never allowed to get out. Money dollars are flooding through
Speaker 1: this system based on the amount of hours that social
Speaker 1: workers spend with each child. There are bonuses, adoption bonuses,
Speaker 1: So there are some family there. One woman who spoke
Speaker 1: was told even though her case is there's also there's
Speaker 1: also lack of view process happening, No investigation into the home. No, no,
Speaker 1: none of the things that you think happen with child
Speaker 1: protective services that should be happening. Is this okay, So
Speaker 1: there's this um assessment that happens. None of these none
Speaker 1: of that DOW process is being followed with any of
Speaker 1: these families. The belief is we have the right want
Speaker 1: to actually like how can people get involved to help?
Speaker 1: Like what what should we be doing? Which how can
Speaker 1: we really help this process? Because prior to me hearing
Speaker 1: from Tamika after you spoke to her about this, I
Speaker 1: didn't even understand. So what do people what should they
Speaker 1: be doing? What should we be doing? How you know
Speaker 1: there's still another child that this trying to get back, Like,
Speaker 1: what is the process? What should we be doing to help?
Speaker 1: How can we help this people? Well, I I would
Speaker 1: love even you know after this broadcast, Tamika, We've been
Speaker 1: given phone numbers to Manatee County, the right numbers to call,
Speaker 1: so that the pressure is put on the county to
Speaker 1: do the right thing. I think the fact that a
Speaker 1: set was given back to them, it is evidence that
Speaker 1: this is a safe home. They also have other children
Speaker 1: in the home. Who are who are there? Who are
Speaker 1: you know, it's clear that this home is a safe home.
Speaker 1: And a little bit you know a little bit about
Speaker 1: Citian and Thai. You know Thi works with false of children.
Speaker 1: He's a trusted person who works with foster children. So
Speaker 1: the fact that this same system is saying no, you're
Speaker 1: not worthy you're not trustworthy to take care of your
Speaker 1: own is is insane. So so those numbers. Um that's
Speaker 1: one way to help citation tie when you see these
Speaker 1: stories post about them, because many of these families, they
Speaker 1: are they are calling organizations NonStop. I mean, I keep
Speaker 1: hearing that from the mothers and fathers. They are nobody's
Speaker 1: answering their call. But people will start to answer their
Speaker 1: call if we answer their call. And that's that's on
Speaker 1: that's on a level of how to help families who
Speaker 1: already experiencing it, how to help yourself in some of
Speaker 1: these situations, look for the birth workers in your area.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm serious and I've said this as a black
Speaker 1: maternal health advocate to this is something that we talk
Speaker 1: about and something that even at the legislatre should level,
Speaker 1: people are fighting for. You know, there are black midwives,
Speaker 1: there are black duelas, community midwives, community duel as, people
Speaker 1: who are not biased, who can help with with your needs,
Speaker 1: um as parents, even lactation consulting. You know that those
Speaker 1: questions that that SI had could have been answered by
Speaker 1: somebody she was safe with. So that's one way to
Speaker 1: also protect yourself. There's those are those are those are
Speaker 1: the two things right now. I mean to make you
Speaker 1: you know, we're like in the midst. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm in the midst of it and also trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how and I'm so glad that you're doing
Speaker 1: this podcast. How do we raise the alarm Black Lives
Speaker 1: Matter activists out there, a c l U people out there,
Speaker 1: and double a c P people out there, legislators that
Speaker 1: are out there. These families are calling you. Pay attention,
Speaker 1: they are pay attention. They are calling And I'm going
Speaker 1: to be very traitful, it invulnerable and honestly saying I
Speaker 1: don't have an answer, but I'm trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out and once something and this is the thing about
Speaker 1: until freedom. Um. Now, we have a chat, a long
Speaker 1: chat where all of the folks who are on our
Speaker 1: team and people who are with us constantly as we
Speaker 1: travel across the country, we talk about everything when we
Speaker 1: drop this into the chat. It has now become the
Speaker 1: number one issue that is coming up every day where
Speaker 1: people are trying to figure out what do we do.
Speaker 1: We're protested, so we're like, We're gonna go chain ourselves
Speaker 1: to the nanitys Nanity County, whoever is door. But then
Speaker 1: you don't want to create a situation where there's retaliation
Speaker 1: against the family and the babies. So you really have
Speaker 1: to find the right balance of how to address this
Speaker 1: issue where we protect families yet vigorously advocate for them.
Speaker 1: Because I did not. I you know, you think I
Speaker 1: know a lot, and I do, but I did not
Speaker 1: know anything about this dark area of And I knew
Speaker 1: women were losing their babies physically, like you know, children dying,
Speaker 1: mother's dying at birth. I know that very maternal health issues,
Speaker 1: get that right, or maternal treatment now treatment. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: knew that was happening. But the idea that I watched
Speaker 1: the Kentucky video that you sent me and to see
Speaker 1: I think you posted it my son, and once you
Speaker 1: posted it, I think like Snoop or somebody else posted it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it might have been something different, but
Speaker 1: I know that when I I showed it to my team,
Speaker 1: everybody was trauma to like what is happening because it
Speaker 1: did not seem like there have been any prior conversation
Speaker 1: with her if I removing her child, because she was
Speaker 1: at the front door with her baby in the in
Speaker 1: the in the car seat, ready to leave, and the
Speaker 1: police officers snatched her child and fought her. It is
Speaker 1: it is unreal. And I think the thing that you said,
Speaker 1: it's so true. The trauma and the abuse, and the
Speaker 1: over policing, the aggressive policing, the illegal policing, the discrimination,
Speaker 1: all of those things exists in so many different areas
Speaker 1: that if you, if you're an advocate that just wants
Speaker 1: to address the idea though, well, when we're driving and
Speaker 1: driving wild black, well, now it's having a baby, just
Speaker 1: being having a baby. I can't even say wild black
Speaker 1: because when we asked the question about Manatee County, we said,
Speaker 1: there anybody out there that has experienced this, get in
Speaker 1: touch with us. Most of the people who came back
Speaker 1: were actually white folks. There were white women, white women
Speaker 1: who said, I didn't have the money to fight, I
Speaker 1: didn't have so us on medicaid exactly. So you can
Speaker 1: tell and I'm sure exactly exactly, but I'm sure if
Speaker 1: you do the real numbers and you drill down, you're
Speaker 1: gonna find that there's more black and brown people who
Speaker 1: are impacted across the nation. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, this is about, as you said my song class,
Speaker 1: it's about who has the money and the resources to
Speaker 1: have the duelahs, to have the additional advocates in the room,
Speaker 1: and those people who don't and that is unacceptable. There's
Speaker 1: for for for people who you know, UM yeah, get
Speaker 1: excited by the history of it as well. And I
Speaker 1: mean excited not in a happy way. I mean excited
Speaker 1: in a in a in a I want to move
Speaker 1: sort of way, or I can get behind this sort
Speaker 1: of way. It isn't new. This country has a law
Speaker 1: own history of UM. This is why I draw the
Speaker 1: parallels to to what's happened in the last couple of
Speaker 1: years with people protesting and and and with police reform
Speaker 1: or and and policing in our neighborhoods. This also has
Speaker 1: a very very long history. People's belief UM, the powerful people,
Speaker 1: their belief that we are not trustworthy with our children,
Speaker 1: that we are, which is so interesting because we're trustworthy
Speaker 1: to take care of their children absolutely, but we're not
Speaker 1: trust We we don't have the right to our own
Speaker 1: We don't have the right to ask questions about care
Speaker 1: about medical care. We don't have the right to too culturally,
Speaker 1: you know, make certain decisions about UM about the way
Speaker 1: we raise our children. Cite entire are vegan, and they
Speaker 1: believe that that's also a part of what happened to
Speaker 1: that yes, exactly, not just them being vegan, it's also
Speaker 1: their appearance when I saw them for the first time
Speaker 1: on the call that you put together, and I saw
Speaker 1: especially Tie, who by the way, Tie has this similar
Speaker 1: almost the same hairstyle with his dreads as jay Z,
Speaker 1: to be clear exactly how jay Z looks with it.
Speaker 1: You know that the dreads are together, right, not singular dreads,
Speaker 1: but that again, jay Z doesn't have to go. He's
Speaker 1: gonna pay for his children to be born in a
Speaker 1: safe environment, probably a safer environment than you and I
Speaker 1: could ever even understand, right, But in size situation, when
Speaker 1: he walks into any room except rooms that understand him,
Speaker 1: people are going to look at him differently. And I
Speaker 1: knew that that was a major part of what happened here,
Speaker 1: That they believe that they could um do what they
Speaker 1: did to that family based upon appearance and these ideas,
Speaker 1: these biases that are in the minds of folks who
Speaker 1: are supposed to be or who are in positions of authority.
Speaker 1: That is not okay, okay, Because as I have been
Speaker 1: talking to Tie along with you, every day. He is intelligent, Okay,
Speaker 1: he knows everything that's going on. Like you said, he
Speaker 1: works with foster children, he has other children. How dare
Speaker 1: you make a determination about a man because of his
Speaker 1: hair or his clothing, or because my son may be
Speaker 1: wearing a hoodie as Trey von Martin was wearing a
Speaker 1: hood how dare we? Right? Right? I? I I um I.
Speaker 1: One thing that I has been remarkable about them as
Speaker 1: a family, and I want to share this with people
Speaker 1: because I think it's their source. It is there's source
Speaker 1: of strength. But it also tells you the kind of
Speaker 1: people they are is that in every ANTHEMI you can
Speaker 1: attest this in every conversation that I've had with them,
Speaker 1: that they always bring up the other families. They always
Speaker 1: bring up the other families. I know, y'all. If I
Speaker 1: know you all are helping us, you've got to help
Speaker 1: them too. They were part of this, This is part
Speaker 1: of what's happening that I mean, that just goes to
Speaker 1: show you how they're exception. They're really remarkable people. And
Speaker 1: I gotta chance to meet the family this Sunday. There.
Speaker 1: I'm so mad at our flights. The hurricane messed up
Speaker 1: because I was really definitely looking forward to go into
Speaker 1: that rally and actually meeting with them, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're not gonna hold you too much longer. I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you for your advocacy and the
Speaker 1: passion and you know, the love that you brought to this,
Speaker 1: you know, just seeing just listening to you. If you're
Speaker 1: not moved to do something in this situation, then it's
Speaker 1: just something wrong with you. So we just want to
Speaker 1: say that we truly appreciate you, and we are here
Speaker 1: for you. We will do all that we can. You know,
Speaker 1: I had a crush on Ashley Banks since I was
Speaker 1: like twelve and thirteen years old. So to see that
Speaker 1: you aging backwards and you come to this this level
Speaker 1: of passion, you know, for the things that really count
Speaker 1: in our society is definitely a plus. So I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you. Continue to do what you
Speaker 1: do and we got your back. Definitely, thank you. Guys. Listen,
Speaker 1: you're amplifying the rally right now and and I know
Speaker 1: you'll continue to do that. And um, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me on and letting me talk about it and
Speaker 1: for all all all the words that you'll do. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. Um. Yeah, and just you know it's Here's
Speaker 1: the go to message even in black maternal health and
Speaker 1: and advocacy is listen. Listen to black women, Listen to
Speaker 1: black fathers, Listen to black families. You know, if if
Speaker 1: people are calling out, it's hear them, hear them. We
Speaker 1: could all do better with that, Tatiana, everything who wants
Speaker 1: us to do a better job of listening. Thank you
Speaker 1: for being with us today. We're not leaving your side.
Speaker 1: We're together in this and thanks for educating us and
Speaker 1: making me aware of something that I should have been
Speaker 1: involved in a long time ago. But we're here now
Speaker 1: and we all have a responsibility. We'll see you on
Speaker 1: the TV screen and in the streets. Yes man, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm proviously everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you queen.
Speaker 1: Before we go to the next segment and have our
Speaker 1: special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for
Speaker 1: our sponsors, Tatiana said something that is really important and
Speaker 1: we didn't trill down on it, but it's also supporting
Speaker 1: black fathers because I think we automatically when we think babies,
Speaker 1: we think moms, and we go directly to moms. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that,
Speaker 1: but has been a major advocate in this situation as well.
Speaker 1: Um And I think he also needs to be uplifted
Speaker 1: and that there's probably a conversation that we need to
Speaker 1: be having about black men or fathers in general and
Speaker 1: their side of the trauma and the experience, and how
Speaker 1: we can help and support um men who are dealing
Speaker 1: with this who who If women can't get support and
Speaker 1: mothers are experience in this type of thing, we can
Speaker 1: only imagine what fathers are going through. Yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I have actually seen some level
Speaker 1: of him before I even seen Saysha, and he, like
Speaker 1: I felt his pain as a father, just trying to identify,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you even deal with something like
Speaker 1: this as a father. You know, he's been very vocal.
Speaker 1: You can see the love that he has for his children.
Speaker 1: He expresses it, you know, and just going through this,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a lot. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: just want to give a shout out to him. I
Speaker 1: was really looking forward to me and both of them,
Speaker 1: but I really wanted to meet him and just and
Speaker 1: tell him how I appreciate his representation of black fatherhood.
Speaker 1: You know, how he was standing on what he was
Speaker 1: supposed to stand on in the way that he exhibited
Speaker 1: the love and the protection for his family in general,
Speaker 1: not just the kids, but the way he stood by
Speaker 1: his wife, you know, and they stood by each other.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say that, you know what though,
Speaker 1: it was something that Tie said to me, And I
Speaker 1: can't wait till we have them on hopefully UM and
Speaker 1: our next show, we'll be able to have Tie and
Speaker 1: Side and some of the other families. That's what we're
Speaker 1: working on UM behind the scenes. But something that Tie
Speaker 1: said on the phone the other day, let me tell
Speaker 1: you what he said. We were talking about what happened
Speaker 1: at the hospital and the live footage that people saw
Speaker 1: of first of all, the baby being taken baby I
Speaker 1: set being taken from the car, and then they went
Speaker 1: to the hospital and they were in the hospital for hours,
Speaker 1: and outside the hospital they weren't allowed to be with
Speaker 1: the baby. It was so much happening, And I was
Speaker 1: on the phone with Tatiana and them, UM, just holding
Speaker 1: on the phone with Tie, listening to a lot of
Speaker 1: things that was happening. And Tie was very very controlled.
Speaker 1: He kept a cool even though he was crying at times.
Speaker 1: Uh Saisha was crying. She was obviously very emotional. But overall,
Speaker 1: and of course there his mother was there. Overall, they
Speaker 1: still maintain a level of calm that was clearly necessary
Speaker 1: not to exacerbate the situation. And when we were speaking
Speaker 1: with him a few days later, Tatiana and I, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I had to practice, he said, throughout this process.
Speaker 1: I have had to practice a level of meditation during
Speaker 1: all of these incidents, because I know that if I'm
Speaker 1: even a little bit aggressive, just a little bit, the
Speaker 1: slightest bit, that it will turn into a situation where
Speaker 1: he could be harmed, heard, his family, could be killed,
Speaker 1: his children, and can be taking his other three children
Speaker 1: like it can get it can escalate to a level
Speaker 1: it seems like he said, no one will understand that
Speaker 1: I'm a father who lost my children. I'm watching my
Speaker 1: wife hurt. Right. It reminded me of when one of
Speaker 1: the witnesses was on the stand for George Fooy, of
Speaker 1: the Black Man who we all loved because of how
Speaker 1: he answered questions his way and not the way that
Speaker 1: other people things thought that he should be responding. And
Speaker 1: at one point when they were asking him about how
Speaker 1: he was because remember he was the person that kept saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys need to stop touching him. But
Speaker 1: he was doing it in a way that they they
Speaker 1: said was harassment. They said he was taunting and something
Speaker 1: else some other language that they used. But he he
Speaker 1: exhibited extreme control. He said, I knew that I had
Speaker 1: to be in a meditative status. So it's almost like,
Speaker 1: no matter how it's like to talk to your honest point,
Speaker 1: the same narratives are popping up in so many different
Speaker 1: places because our experiences across the board are so traumatizing
Speaker 1: that our men, you as a black man, are having
Speaker 1: to learn how to experience the worst situations ever the
Speaker 1: mass injustice and focus on meditating so that you can
Speaker 1: keep yourself and your family safe in the midst of
Speaker 1: someone doing something that is so unjust. And it really
Speaker 1: requires it, really, it really it demands that you respond
Speaker 1: by all means necessary to save your child or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you can't. And that has got to be in
Speaker 1: and in and of itself, um demeaning and oppressive, if
Speaker 1: you will it is. It is very demeaning, especially when
Speaker 1: you are out for male you know, and you and
Speaker 1: you speak with affirmative You're very affirmative, and you speak
Speaker 1: from affirmative point of view, and you have some levels
Speaker 1: of aggression just how you communicate naturally. And we know
Speaker 1: that that's been weaponized against us. You know, police use
Speaker 1: it as they feel like their threats for their lives.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We've been in school where
Speaker 1: we've been deemed uncontrollable. Throughout our lives. Those natural attributes
Speaker 1: of manhood that we actually possessed have been weaponized against us.
Speaker 1: And then this is in this situation. Is no this
Speaker 1: no different? So looking at this situation, I understand exactly
Speaker 1: what demand of the George Floyd trial had to deal with.
Speaker 1: I understand exactly what you know, um Ty had to
Speaker 1: deal with when me and you were at the American Airlines.
Speaker 1: I had to exhibit the same level of control because
Speaker 1: I understood, and still I was you know, I still
Speaker 1: had to deal with whatever situation and I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: I was so much under control because I understood, this
Speaker 1: is the narrative that you want to paint. You want
Speaker 1: to paint the narrative that this aggressive black man. I'm
Speaker 1: already you know, kind of stocky and bigger. So I
Speaker 1: have to deal with those situations. So as black men.
Speaker 1: We always have to lessen our emotions. We have to
Speaker 1: be in full control because the minute that we show
Speaker 1: any level of aggression and raising in our voice, a
Speaker 1: vein in your forehead can put you in your family
Speaker 1: at rest. Wow. Well, I'm sorry. I wish there was
Speaker 1: something that we could do about it. Um and we are,
Speaker 1: we're fighting, but it's unfortunate. It really is. It really is.
Speaker 1: I heard that and it brought up for me that
Speaker 1: we just deal with too much and black men certainly
Speaker 1: are dealing with a lot. So sa Ali another one
Speaker 1: of our friends. She's a new friend, new friend. I
Speaker 1: told I had a question, Actually Banks, since I was
Speaker 1: a kid, ain't no, it's nobody in the world I
Speaker 1: didn't love, Actually Banks. And to watch you grow into
Speaker 1: this woman with that level of passion, just listening to
Speaker 1: you know, our intelligence, she is, our passion she is,
Speaker 1: and how much of a humanitarian that's a humanitarian spirit
Speaker 1: that she has. Man, it's it's inspirational and motivation now
Speaker 1: it is it is. And you know, we find too
Speaker 1: many celebrities that just want to be a celebrity. But
Speaker 1: she's stepping into something that is very, very dangerous because
Speaker 1: you know, people making a whole lot of money, a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and they are they are. So there's
Speaker 1: there's so many different things happening. We just in this
Speaker 1: conversation when we're talking to Tatiana, I'm thinking about our
Speaker 1: next guest who's joining us right now, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about how so many things are connected that many
Speaker 1: of us don't see and don't hear about because it's
Speaker 1: not in our everyday lives. But what we know about
Speaker 1: issues with CPS, and to be very clear, which is
Speaker 1: the Child Protective Services around the nation. We're certainly not
Speaker 1: indicting all CPS workers or the entire system UM, but
Speaker 1: just like every other system in America, there's loopholes, there's failures,
Speaker 1: and there's a need for an overhaul, a clean up,
Speaker 1: tear down, and a rebuild of something that actually fits
Speaker 1: the times and the needs of the world that we
Speaker 1: currently live in. UM. And I met this young sister
Speaker 1: who is now joining us, Tony D. Rivera some time ago.
Speaker 1: It's been many years. I met her long Yandy Smith
Speaker 1: Harris and uh, you know our manager LaToya Bond and
Speaker 1: others who sing her praises. In fact, I've watched her
Speaker 1: on interviews with the breakfast club with our brother Charlemagne
Speaker 1: and God and and others across the country and probably
Speaker 1: now around the world listening to her story of being
Speaker 1: one who used to participate in helping to traffic young
Speaker 1: women UM and is now engaged in saving young women
Speaker 1: and men, young girls and boys UM and helping to
Speaker 1: free them. And I, you know, I don't know, Tony.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here with my son and I h
Speaker 1: street politicians today. And some people would say that these
Speaker 1: two situations that we just talked with Tatiana Ali about
Speaker 1: a family that lost their children in uh Sara Soda Florida,
Speaker 1: Saisha and Tyrene Um. You know, let's make sure we
Speaker 1: call the baby's names baby raw and then also baby
Speaker 1: a Set who is now reunited with her family, a
Speaker 1: newborn baby. They've been going through this for six months
Speaker 1: and as a result of us learning, we now started
Speaker 1: to learn a lot more about many of the families.
Speaker 1: There are lawyers and advocates who have different terminology. Some
Speaker 1: people are calling it legal kidnapping, some people are calling
Speaker 1: it medal kidnapp and some people are saying it's just
Speaker 1: failures in the system. Others are saying that we were crazy,
Speaker 1: and that you know, the system is right and everybody
Speaker 1: else is wrong. But something, something is going on. My
Speaker 1: intuition tells me something is happening, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how, because I don't believe anything happens by chance.
Speaker 1: We've been trying to find ways to work together for
Speaker 1: many years, and somehow another, these two things collide where
Speaker 1: I see big money some in my song. We just
Speaker 1: talked about this in the other interview. I mean, Tatiana
Speaker 1: ran down a list of ways that people are making money,
Speaker 1: she said, even even she said to Tony and and hi, Tony,
Speaker 1: because I'm talking so much, but we haven't introduced you
Speaker 1: formally into the show. So Tony Rivera is with us.
Speaker 1: Thank you Tony for being here. But Tony, Tatiana ran down.
Speaker 1: And you know Tatiana, Ali's young lady who was on.
Speaker 1: We know her, uh well, we know for a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but we love her for what's her name,
Speaker 1: Ashley Ashley Banks on Freshmencivalaire and so she's engaged. She's
Speaker 1: when it got us involved. She ran down a list
Speaker 1: of ways that money is being made. Bonuses for adoption, uh,
Speaker 1: money for hours that a child sits with the social worker,
Speaker 1: clearly the fceter care system, and she said some other things.
Speaker 1: So money is being made somehow I leave out what
Speaker 1: what you did? What the most important thing she left
Speaker 1: out is when it comes to CPS and with this
Speaker 1: whole system and with the money and everything. She left
Speaker 1: out the kids, if they're triplets, if they're twins, if
Speaker 1: they're girls, and if they're boys, there's money. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you get money for all of that. Yeah, Um, I
Speaker 1: saw did you hear what she said? If it's multiple children,
Speaker 1: if it's twins, and if it's boys, or if it's
Speaker 1: girls it's girls. Yes, it's just everything that you're saying
Speaker 1: and you're seeing everything's crossing the same line, the same half.
Speaker 1: It's just like trafficking. You can call it um medical kidnapping,
Speaker 1: legal kidnapping. All of its trafficking. It's trafficking. And how
Speaker 1: is the trafficking? You may ask, how how is trafficking?
Speaker 1: Is I'm taking you from someone and I'm putting you
Speaker 1: somewhere else. You don't necessarily have to be in the
Speaker 1: same state. You can go to another state. But once
Speaker 1: you're laying into the home, you don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on in that home. So you said, we don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening. You don't know, you don't know what's happening. Um,
Speaker 1: it's all only the same umbrella, all on the same umbrella.
Speaker 1: So Tony, let's talk about the story that you tell
Speaker 1: all every day. You tell this story about what happened
Speaker 1: to you, how you got into the trafficking business, and
Speaker 1: why you decided to be on the other side, which
Speaker 1: is an advocate to end it and I and at
Speaker 1: some point we need to ask the question. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure my son's gonna want to know this about
Speaker 1: your safety. But let's put that you know towards the
Speaker 1: latter part of this convo and just talk to us
Speaker 1: about your story. From South Calina, small town in South Calina.
Speaker 1: One night, man, my friends decided to go to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the short version. Um, we decided
Speaker 1: to go to Atlanta to the freakent me. I wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be there. Were supposed to actually be in
Speaker 1: the house at another friend's house at a speek over.
Speaker 1: Got down there and I fell into the wrong hands. UM.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a kid that was brought up about knowing
Speaker 1: about stranger danger. UM. I wasn't a kid all up
Speaker 1: where I had to look at everybody as an enemy. Um,
Speaker 1: I just fell in the wrong hands. Um. The gentleman
Speaker 1: approached me. He started buying me things. Um, he started doing,
Speaker 1: giving me the honeymoon stage, just doing things for me.
Speaker 1: And that night we wound up in a club in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and he knew I liked to dance because that's where
Speaker 1: he seen me doing at the Freak Me at that time.
Speaker 1: And we went to a club and next thing I know,
Speaker 1: I hear on the the DJ saying, UM, Southern Bill,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm like, that's I didn't know who
Speaker 1: they was calling, you know, And UM, I later found
Speaker 1: out that it was me because he came up to me.
Speaker 1: It was like, UM, go ahead to the stage. So
Speaker 1: I went to the stage, and still not knowing what
Speaker 1: was going on, UM really into it now because I
Speaker 1: see all this money being thrown at me. I'm dancing
Speaker 1: and I just see all this money. As I get
Speaker 1: finished dancing, I come off the stage, he gave me
Speaker 1: a bag and he was like. I was like, so,
Speaker 1: what I gotta do with the money and he said,
Speaker 1: it's yours. Still not knowing he's basically sugarcoatingut trying to
Speaker 1: woo me in or whatever. Um. After that, I went
Speaker 1: back to South Carolina, like the next day. I came
Speaker 1: back UM weekend. We I thought he was my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: We saw each other on and off that you know,
Speaker 1: other black urban events. We saw each other, not knowing
Speaker 1: that he was actually keeping tabs on me. I left
Speaker 1: um my twelfth grade years. I left South Carolina and
Speaker 1: I was going off to school University of Pittsburgh, get
Speaker 1: there and um no, I was leaving, and he told
Speaker 1: me to come see him. So I stopped in Charlotte,
Speaker 1: you know, I fell out of to go see it.
Speaker 1: And he didn't let me leave. Mm hmm. He didn't
Speaker 1: let me leave. He kept me there. Um when I tried,
Speaker 1: and he would let me go back and forth home
Speaker 1: like a day or so. But I had always come back.
Speaker 1: But when I was like, I'm done, I'm tired, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this no more, I couldn't leave
Speaker 1: no more. It was like all my freedom was taking
Speaker 1: and then we were just went from state to state,
Speaker 1: UM recruiting girls. UM. I didn't wind up at University
Speaker 1: of pick Um. I talked to the females every day
Speaker 1: who Um, I actually was gonna put my claws into
Speaker 1: you know, but something hit me and was like, don't
Speaker 1: do that. And I helped them actually escaped when we
Speaker 1: was at University of prip. So I keep in close
Speaker 1: contact with them and talk to their kids and you know,
Speaker 1: we I'm teaching. I'm teaching a lot of people and
Speaker 1: not just black people. You know what's going on and
Speaker 1: how this thing. I've got schools that are as asking
Speaker 1: me to like come in and speak to their freshman
Speaker 1: kids when they're coming in because and I tell parents
Speaker 1: with kids that are leaving home from school, from high school,
Speaker 1: going to college, it's free game. It's free gew because
Speaker 1: they're there. They don't have nobody tell them go in.
Speaker 1: If they become friends with the r A, it's really
Speaker 1: on them. Poppingment. People can do anything. So I give
Speaker 1: tips to parents of how to do and what to do. Um.
Speaker 1: Actually the Seanie O'Neill um, what was going on with
Speaker 1: when her I think it was her daughter. Somebody went
Speaker 1: off to school and she was just scared out of
Speaker 1: her mind and um, someone hit her upper was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you need to get these tips. So she didn't pick
Speaker 1: me up. So they asked me to email them to us.
Speaker 1: So I email her the tips of what they look
Speaker 1: out for, um, how to pinpoint your kids, how they
Speaker 1: how they know where your kid is in any time
Speaker 1: a day. Um, there's just a lot of tips that
Speaker 1: I give. But with the recruited thing, how that started
Speaker 1: to go back into the story. I wasn't getting paid,
Speaker 1: you know, to do recruiting. I wasn't getting paid. Um.
Speaker 1: It was you know how you say you misery loves company.
Speaker 1: At the end of it, you've been hurt so much
Speaker 1: so you don't mind hurting others. Yeah, that was my
Speaker 1: mind That was my mind frame. That was my mind frame. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm hurting, so why not let somebody else hurt? And
Speaker 1: my big thing was going to the churches because I
Speaker 1: knew I knew what I was looking for. It wasn't
Speaker 1: so much as plain on the week. It was more
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a Christian girl. I went to church.
Speaker 1: If this Sunday, Um, I know what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I know where you're coming up to the altar every Sunday.
Speaker 1: You asked me for something. You you want something, maybe
Speaker 1: it's money, close hot, something you're asking So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: point I'm gonna penpoinct you out when you leave out
Speaker 1: of that church, and I'm gonna ask you what is
Speaker 1: it that you want? What what you keep praying for?
Speaker 1: I see you go to the off jow every Sunday.
Speaker 1: What is it that you're playing for? So that was
Speaker 1: my main place is the churches. And you've got so
Speaker 1: much of it going on right now in the churches
Speaker 1: that the pastors don't even know. They don't even know
Speaker 1: even even like with covid um you have churches that
Speaker 1: were still open in Cali and there was a lot
Speaker 1: going down there. But with COVID COVID made everything worse
Speaker 1: when it cames when it comes to um set trafficking
Speaker 1: and this medical kidnapping because they're asking the parents, um
Speaker 1: the young lady does in Mexican Kentucky. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've I saw that. My baby, I'm talking right here,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking. So, but what y'all want
Speaker 1: to talk about? What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: The baby is not Look, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: The baby doesn't know how any dressed in this system does.
Speaker 1: He does do it one time? My baby, don't do it? Hey,
Speaker 1: don't do that to me? Like that me New York.
Speaker 1: You guys have you guys, do not do this to me?
Speaker 1: What do you think my baby? Please like me, please
Speaker 1: come back. You don't want to go to your arm
Speaker 1: please let go car Let like okay, Well, my ex
Speaker 1: husband is annoyed. He's down there in Lexington. UM. He
Speaker 1: actually was the a D and what made him quit
Speaker 1: was the Brianna Taylor. He quit after that. But my
Speaker 1: ex husband he confided in me and told me some things.
Speaker 1: The reason what was going on, they're targeting black people
Speaker 1: because they're no, we're not taking this vaccination. We're not
Speaker 1: so here. How he explained, it is like they're actually
Speaker 1: saying that we're neglected. If we're neglecting ourselves, what use
Speaker 1: are we're gonna do with the babies. We're gonna neglect
Speaker 1: them if it's when it's time for them to get
Speaker 1: um vaccinated or whatever. But he said that's a lot
Speaker 1: to do with it. He said the lady did not
Speaker 1: have any drugs and her system. The baby did not
Speaker 1: have any drugs and system. He said. What happened is
Speaker 1: she asked one of the other mercies to come in
Speaker 1: um because the baby frit was turning blue um and
Speaker 1: she asked if that they use in it, and the
Speaker 1: nervers that he man was like, it's fun. So she
Speaker 1: asked for somebody else to come in. So it was
Speaker 1: it was more of a racial thing with them. Man
Speaker 1: like you to ask questions, yes, and she started asking
Speaker 1: questions and that's when it went south. And he told me,
Speaker 1: he said, Tony, it's gonna be so many more kids
Speaker 1: that are being taken, especially coming from Hispanics and black women,
Speaker 1: because there's so much money to be made. So you know,
Speaker 1: I want to go back a little bit, you know
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm listening to your story, and it
Speaker 1: seems like the common theme in in these situations like
Speaker 1: when when we even when we look about the r
Speaker 1: Kelly situations, a lot of these women. Is it mental emotional?
Speaker 1: Why why aren't women able to leave? Like you said,
Speaker 1: you went came back home. He would let you leave
Speaker 1: for and you didn't really want to be there. What
Speaker 1: is it that keeps you there? Like, what is the
Speaker 1: fact that that keeps you there? It with and this
Speaker 1: goes back to um the hospital thing more than a child,
Speaker 1: that's why they want them young. Also, that's why they're
Speaker 1: kidnapping these kids because they're gonna mold them into what
Speaker 1: they want. UM. As far as keeping me in the
Speaker 1: life and what makes women stay, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: brush wire to me when it comes to oh, they
Speaker 1: were brainwashed, that's not it. If someone tells you that
Speaker 1: that's just example that they've given it, they don't want
Speaker 1: to give you the real example, the real reason, the
Speaker 1: real reason, what I've found in for me, UM, what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave for is nothing better out there for me.
Speaker 1: He's taken care of me. UM, even though he's not
Speaker 1: giving me money and the things that I want. I
Speaker 1: still have a roof over my head. I eat, if
Speaker 1: I do good, UM, I get praised if I UM,
Speaker 1: if I bring a certain amount of money in. UM.
Speaker 1: It's all these things that come with that lifestyle. Now
Speaker 1: times out of tend you wasn't getting it before you
Speaker 1: came in. Your life was worse, way worse than what
Speaker 1: it is before you got in that lifestyle. And that's
Speaker 1: how it was with me. I came from UM, a
Speaker 1: pretty decent family. UM. I was molested, I was raped,
Speaker 1: and when I got into the lifestyle, it was like
Speaker 1: for me, okay, if I'm giving it up. Two my
Speaker 1: cousin who's raping and molested me? Why not give it
Speaker 1: up to a complete stranger for free? Wow? So do
Speaker 1: you think that those are those things play? A fact
Speaker 1: that you based on your you know, your expertise. More
Speaker 1: are a lot of the women who have become involved
Speaker 1: in this have they been raped or molested prior to
Speaker 1: them engaging in this lifestyle? A lot of have a
Speaker 1: lot of them have they don't know how to cope with, um,
Speaker 1: but everyday life. Um. They don't know how to cope
Speaker 1: with the trauma that they had in their past life,
Speaker 1: you know, when they were younger. So it's coming out
Speaker 1: if you don't get counseling or some some sort of
Speaker 1: counseling for it. Um. Mental illness play a big part
Speaker 1: in sex traffic. When I say huge air plays are
Speaker 1: huge part um and I'm speaking not only for me
Speaker 1: but for others, you know, when it comes to mental
Speaker 1: illness and not getting the help that we need before
Speaker 1: we went across that street to get into this lifestyle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you spoke to a little bit about the r. Kelly case.
Speaker 1: You know, we had talked to in that you were
Speaker 1: here in New York doing something regarding that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I've been in New York, back and forth in New York.
Speaker 1: Probably since June. I've been doing my little steakouts where
Speaker 1: I've been going around to shelters, staying in shelters for
Speaker 1: my organization, looking for girls looking for kids. And that's
Speaker 1: a whole another story right there. Um. But I found
Speaker 1: a lot of them that are in the shelters here
Speaker 1: in New York, and the people don't even know at
Speaker 1: path what's going on. Um. But the r Kelly thing, Um,
Speaker 1: young lady I think her name was Fernandez, I believe
Speaker 1: that was when she reached out to me and asked
Speaker 1: me that I meet them in Brooklyn, to come and
Speaker 1: just give them not um advice. But they wanted to
Speaker 1: basically have me listen to the questions that they were
Speaker 1: gonna ask. So they don't do like um, they don't
Speaker 1: ask the question and it triggers somebody in there. Um.
Speaker 1: They want to ask the question the right way. So
Speaker 1: it was more of us consultant things where going and
Speaker 1: they're asking and we're talking, and they just want to
Speaker 1: know what questions to ask versus them asking a question
Speaker 1: and it triggers something and it manipulates whatever the witnesses
Speaker 1: saying on the stand okay, so are you staying before.
Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt you, but to bring it
Speaker 1: back a little bit. So you're saying that the shelter
Speaker 1: is one of the pre places that people are praying
Speaker 1: on the young girls and getting them engaged in the lifestyle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I won't say the name. I was in the shelter
Speaker 1: here in New York for like three weeks. I made
Speaker 1: six rescues. The last rescue I made was um July twelve. Um.
Speaker 1: The young lady who was here, her gorilla pimp was
Speaker 1: in the shelter and her bottom bitch was in the shelter.
Speaker 1: She had a baby, so they asked her to tran
Speaker 1: It's like a whole work up. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: my big thing coming back to New York because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to Eric Adams. I need to
Speaker 1: let him know you gotta do something. You have to
Speaker 1: do it because New York was all the way down
Speaker 1: y'all to number ten. Asked me where New York is there? Now?
Speaker 1: New York is number two for the hoobs five of
Speaker 1: sexy human trafficking. It's number two now. It was ten,
Speaker 1: number one, Atlanta, Georgia, Atlanta Georgia's number one, Atlanta's number one,
Speaker 1: New York's number two, Florida's three, Texas for California five, Um,
Speaker 1: New Orleans is six, Colorado is seven, Oregon is eight,
Speaker 1: Um Boston is nine. And what's crazy is Arizona is
Speaker 1: fucking ten. How crazy is that? That? That's crazy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're living in the shelter. No, I that's the
Speaker 1: thing that you do, is you physically, it's you know,
Speaker 1: very similar to us. We've moved to other places to
Speaker 1: be closer to our you know, whatever we're fighting for
Speaker 1: and including and of course most notably when we moved
Speaker 1: to Louisville, Kentucky, to fight for Brianna Taylor, which is dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's dangerous. The surveillance that we experienced, the tear gassing,
Speaker 1: the flash bombing, people being arrested again in the surveillance area,
Speaker 1: we have seen, I mean we've seen it all. We
Speaker 1: have seen people in the bushes across the street from
Speaker 1: our house, that our security found lights being on our
Speaker 1: house all night long, where they're just trying to intimidate us.
Speaker 1: Helicopters flying low over our residence were with staining so
Speaker 1: that they can get surveillance on what we're doing, and
Speaker 1: even probably to get recording of the conversations going on
Speaker 1: in the house. Drones. I mean, we experience all of that.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it is to be living in
Speaker 1: a shelter. Yeah, and how dangerous it is that at
Speaker 1: some point, I mean, you're known, people know you, so
Speaker 1: it's not like you're you're not undercover. People know why
Speaker 1: you're there. Yeah, but they you know. UM. I always
Speaker 1: talked to the directors UM when I came in, because
Speaker 1: I did it just like everybody else would do it. Um,
Speaker 1: you go through path, tell them you're homeless, and it
Speaker 1: goes from there wherever they place you. That's where I
Speaker 1: started with. I let them director know that next morning,
Speaker 1: who I am, what I do? I've had I've been
Speaker 1: on the total of ten shelter since May here in
Speaker 1: New York, and every one of the directors actually followed
Speaker 1: me on social media and they was like, shoot, we
Speaker 1: we don't know what you're doing here and what's going on.
Speaker 1: And I had to sit down and just talk to them,
Speaker 1: like I'm doing this for my organization. I say, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not your regular organization. I'm here because New York
Speaker 1: is a hub spot, and I found out why New
Speaker 1: York is a hub spot. If I'm six teams and
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, I can go to a shelter. I can
Speaker 1: go to path fill out information state that my parents
Speaker 1: have kicked me out, even though they probably have it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna place me in a shelter. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: ten days where that case is pending if I'm the
Speaker 1: eligible or if I'm ineligible. If I'm ineligible, they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep placing me up for a total of ninety days.
Speaker 1: If I'm eligible, they're gonna find me an apartment with
Speaker 1: um either Session eight, City, Phelps, or SOSA. Those are
Speaker 1: the three here in New York. Once they find me
Speaker 1: an apartment, I can set up shop. I can move
Speaker 1: my guerrilla pimp in. I can move my bottom bitch in.
Speaker 1: I have my baby. The next in line is gonna
Speaker 1: use my baby. I'm not gonna put the father's name
Speaker 1: on the birth certificate. My name is going to be
Speaker 1: on the birth certificate. Whoever goes in with this baby
Speaker 1: is going to say, hey, I'm taking care of this
Speaker 1: baby because the mother is incocerated. She's e to my
Speaker 1: sister or cousin and it is going to continue continue
Speaker 1: the baby away from these. She sold her baby pretty much.
Speaker 1: So you have a lot of that that is going
Speaker 1: on in the hospitals and in the shelters. Um. The
Speaker 1: last one I did, like I was saying, back in July,
Speaker 1: this young lady, she actually ran the whole game down
Speaker 1: to us. We took her to back out to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: It was called I think it was the seventy It
Speaker 1: was either seventy or the seventy ninth Precincts. We took
Speaker 1: her back out there because that's where she came from.
Speaker 1: She's asked me from Atlanta. She said. It was a
Speaker 1: total of eight guerrilla pimps in that shelter, along with
Speaker 1: their sneaking pen in their bottom ditches. Two ladies had
Speaker 1: they've given birth there in the shelter. One came back
Speaker 1: with the baby, the other one didn't come to find
Speaker 1: out the baby was taken by a CS. By the
Speaker 1: time they found where the baby was at um the
Speaker 1: girls pregnant again. So it's like an open and ongoing
Speaker 1: cycle here in New York. Then it's like nobody's even caring.
Speaker 1: They're not teaching the a c S workers or the
Speaker 1: DHS workers, Um, the tips, they're not showing them how
Speaker 1: to wed these people out, how to vet them, how
Speaker 1: they're not showing them anything. The directors is actually coming
Speaker 1: to me asking me how to do it. So when
Speaker 1: you say you're you're as we wind them down. And
Speaker 1: you know, we just did a six week series on
Speaker 1: gun violence because there's so many areas and things you
Speaker 1: need to get into. And now I'm like, we gotta
Speaker 1: do uh, you know, several series. You know, uh, we
Speaker 1: have to do several shows and have a series on
Speaker 1: this issue as well. Because one of the things that
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will not get into enough in this
Speaker 1: conversation is that it's not just women. It's not just girls.
Speaker 1: There are boys and men who are also caught up
Speaker 1: in the same system. And people often think of the
Speaker 1: mail as being the perpetrator and not the victim. And
Speaker 1: yet there is so we want I want to hear
Speaker 1: about that. But but but, but the thing I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you is when you say you saved them or
Speaker 1: you rescued these women, let's not say save. I think
Speaker 1: saved they. I don't don't really like us to use
Speaker 1: the word saved, but that they will rescue. What does
Speaker 1: that look like? Right? How like what's the process of it?
Speaker 1: And then for your own safety once people recognize why
Speaker 1: you're there, what is what happens when you come into
Speaker 1: contact with the bottom bitch as you said, or the
Speaker 1: gorilla pen? How do you navigate those things? Well? How
Speaker 1: to rescue? Usually words I go up to them and
Speaker 1: I asked them, you know you're good? Um, it's just
Speaker 1: like the gift the gap. You gotta know how to
Speaker 1: talk to people. You have to know the words to say.
Speaker 1: If you don't know the words to say, they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at you crazy and they're gonna walk away from you. Um.
Speaker 1: Usually when I'm doing a rescue and it's somebody there,
Speaker 1: I usually go, I'm like, yo, can I pick the roles?
Speaker 1: I need to pick the roles right quick? What's up?
Speaker 1: They'll come talk to me. They'll tell me, Yo, you
Speaker 1: can go see such a set if you pick you
Speaker 1: some roses. But I can put your something down if
Speaker 1: you um, if you really if you want them now.
Speaker 1: But you don't know if the pedals is gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: So you have to really look them over to make
Speaker 1: sure the pedals stick together. That means I can go
Speaker 1: grab you say them off the corner, rang them to you.
Speaker 1: But you gotta check and make sure if their teeth
Speaker 1: is good, if they got gonna red, they got any
Speaker 1: kind of STV. You gotta check them over. Um. Once
Speaker 1: you do that or she do that. At they bring
Speaker 1: them to me, I pretty much can tell the ages
Speaker 1: of them. UM. So when I'm talking to him, I'm
Speaker 1: asking them like, do you want to stay? Once we
Speaker 1: leave the situation, I get a hotel room. Um, I
Speaker 1: call whatever police precinct is near me. I don't know
Speaker 1: my one. Let them know I've done a rescue. I
Speaker 1: have such and such people here, Um, can you can
Speaker 1: send somebody over? They usually come. So many task force
Speaker 1: have been like demolished when it comes to subtracting because
Speaker 1: of you know, they the fund the police and other
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Is not as many task force. So
Speaker 1: I'm basically out here on my own unless I'm calling
Speaker 1: the police. And sometimes I can't even call the police
Speaker 1: because they don't trust the police. They've had so many
Speaker 1: dealers with the police, so they don't trust the police.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not too big of a fan
Speaker 1: of calling the police myself because I don't trust them
Speaker 1: because of what happened to me when I was in
Speaker 1: the life. How to get helped by a cop, you know,
Speaker 1: and um, they don't want me to. So usually I've
Speaker 1: asked to yo, you know, how to get in contact
Speaker 1: with any of your family members or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And I called them, and usually I sent a ticket
Speaker 1: to come pick them up, or I get on the
Speaker 1: plane because I don't put him on a bus or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I would do plane with him and
Speaker 1: I would drop him off at home. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: asked one young lady who I rescued that was from here. Um,
Speaker 1: her family actually came out she had been missing for
Speaker 1: six years, okay six years from the hospital here in
Speaker 1: New York. Yes, and she was the guy told her
Speaker 1: that she was in Arizona. She had When her family
Speaker 1: got there, they thought I had kidnapping. Um. The police
Speaker 1: had to let them know, like, no, she don't want
Speaker 1: to leave his lady house. Um, so we they had
Speaker 1: to stay outside of my house for my protection. But
Speaker 1: during that night we went and we rescue a total
Speaker 1: of thirty two more girls because she led us where
Speaker 1: everybody was staying at. She thought she was in Arizona,
Speaker 1: but she knew the hotel in the area in Gardena,
Speaker 1: but she was staying there, so we want to rescuing
Speaker 1: thirty two more girls in that night and it all
Speaker 1: left and that one girl who had been missing for
Speaker 1: six years from a CS taking her from the hospitals
Speaker 1: and her mind and putting her back. And she told
Speaker 1: us the night they took her. Two days later, the
Speaker 1: Foster day sold her to the plane. Yes, that is
Speaker 1: just crazy listening to these stories. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that you're pretty much a blessing. Like we always say,
Speaker 1: those closest to the problem have to be the solution,
Speaker 1: you know, the work that we do anto violence and
Speaker 1: you know, getting people off the street. I know my
Speaker 1: background in the streets, you know, and being formally inconcerated
Speaker 1: and knowing how like you said, the lingo and talking
Speaker 1: these roses and pedals right that those things are necessary,
Speaker 1: you know. And when we talk about defunding the police,
Speaker 1: you know, and just to just to give a little background,
Speaker 1: it's about giving people like you the resources, right, It's
Speaker 1: about getting a bunch of people like you to be
Speaker 1: the first line of defense to go win in them
Speaker 1: coming behind you instead of going in there scaring the girls,
Speaker 1: locking the girls up, getting them all type of millions
Speaker 1: of years. So we we we definitely want to make
Speaker 1: sure that people the work that you do, you should
Speaker 1: be paid the same salary that police officers get paid, right,
Speaker 1: and they're supposed to be working in connection with you,
Speaker 1: so hand in hand with you. So when you call them,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to know what it is. They're supposed to
Speaker 1: give you the first option to go into these communities
Speaker 1: because you speak to Lingle, you understand what they're dealing with.
Speaker 1: You know how to bring these rescue these these girls,
Speaker 1: and you know. So that's what it is for us.
Speaker 1: So and a lot of times, like you said, what
Speaker 1: they're doing is trying to weaponize it because we want
Speaker 1: we want to be able to say, hey, the people
Speaker 1: who have been through this, who who understand what's going
Speaker 1: on these communities need to be the people that we
Speaker 1: we we lean on who are the first responders to
Speaker 1: these situations. So they're like, well, let them do it
Speaker 1: by theirselves, you know, we we we don't want to
Speaker 1: do anything, and that's not what it should be. It
Speaker 1: should be, you know, the people who understand the community,
Speaker 1: the people will understand what's going on. With these people
Speaker 1: are the first line and the police are supposed to
Speaker 1: be there to back them up. And I think when
Speaker 1: we work in units in that way, it would be beautiful.
Speaker 1: With the work that you the work that you're doing
Speaker 1: is phenomenal, you know. I just want to let you
Speaker 1: know that we I don't want to hold you long,
Speaker 1: but the work that you doing is phenomenal, and you know,
Speaker 1: whatever we can do, like Jamika said, we want to
Speaker 1: probably I think we need to do like a six
Speaker 1: week series on this and really talk about what's going on,
Speaker 1: you know, and how because people don't know what it's
Speaker 1: listening to you and just listening to all of these
Speaker 1: things and just listen to how you psychologically in the
Speaker 1: gap and the way that you understand this. It's it's
Speaker 1: something that we might be able to see, you know,
Speaker 1: just getting these these pointers from you and were around
Speaker 1: situations like this that we probably are directly. You don't
Speaker 1: even we had church all the time with people and
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on is these young girls
Speaker 1: and in situations. So we definitely need to get some
Speaker 1: more insight from you. And this definitely is not gonna
Speaker 1: be our last interview with you, and I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you for the work that you're doing.
Speaker 1: I share my son and sentiments, and I just have
Speaker 1: been really working on vulnerability and being honest because I
Speaker 1: finally have made it to a place in my career
Speaker 1: and in my life where I can say what the
Speaker 1: hell I want to say and be honest about who
Speaker 1: I am, and I'm no longer living for a facade
Speaker 1: of what people want to see. And so I've been
Speaker 1: working at when things come up in me that need
Speaker 1: to be stated, regardless of how people will like take it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say so. I want to say I apologize
Speaker 1: to you publicly because this topic scares me so much
Speaker 1: that I have literally been running from I working together,
Speaker 1: because first of all, I have so much trauma and
Speaker 1: what I'm already dealing with every day. It's so much
Speaker 1: trauma and addressing police violence. It's so much trauma and
Speaker 1: dealing with racial justice. Um, there's so much trauma wrapped
Speaker 1: up in the work that we do every single day,
Speaker 1: watching people murdered, listening to people who are incarcerated, telling
Speaker 1: their stories, trying to help to have someone then come
Speaker 1: into your world and say, and they're trafficking women and
Speaker 1: men or boys and girls, and there's all the stuff
Speaker 1: that has to be done now. I got them taking
Speaker 1: babies from the hospital. I'm literally am afraid of what
Speaker 1: will happen to those of us who are already mentally
Speaker 1: strained trying to make space for another issue that is
Speaker 1: so serious. I mean, we and you know, you know
Speaker 1: that I love it and care for you, and and
Speaker 1: and that and that. Um, you know, I understand the
Speaker 1: significance of the issue. But to my son's point, we
Speaker 1: can't do nothing. We we we just can't, like, we
Speaker 1: cannot sit and allow this stuff to be happening around
Speaker 1: us and do nothing. I got a Instagram tag today
Speaker 1: and several of the people I work with were also
Speaker 1: tag and I'm sure they're afraid to deal with it.
Speaker 1: We don't even know. You don't even know. I you know,
Speaker 1: if somebody kills if a police officer, or even a
Speaker 1: shooting that happens among us, or a murder that happens
Speaker 1: among us, I know the steps. I know the steps
Speaker 1: have to be taken. I know how to get people
Speaker 1: on the phone, I know how to get media there.
Speaker 1: I know how to support families. I know how to
Speaker 1: raise money, I know how to organize rallies. I know
Speaker 1: what to do. I'm an expert in dealing with what
Speaker 1: I do. That's a fact, yes, But when somebody comes
Speaker 1: to me and tells me the kind of story I
Speaker 1: heard this morning, I don't know the first place to
Speaker 1: go to address someone sending me a post where a
Speaker 1: woman is saying help me because she was in a
Speaker 1: Walmart or asto. I talked to the police um with
Speaker 1: the white a little and the black girl and the
Speaker 1: the the young black girl is clearly disturbed by something.
Speaker 1: In fact, the adults who are there, the white adults
Speaker 1: that are there, that the woman looks like she might
Speaker 1: actually be experiencing some type of trauma herself, and to
Speaker 1: her point, it may now be being inflicted upon this
Speaker 1: young girl who's there in the midst of them, who
Speaker 1: probably should not be placed with that family. I'm I
Speaker 1: sat there this morning and sent the message to our
Speaker 1: group and said, what do y'all things? And we started
Speaker 1: talking about it. But that's where it stopped, because nobody
Speaker 1: in our group knows Step one is to do this
Speaker 1: right and I and I almost feel bad that step
Speaker 1: one is to call Tony. Called Tony, call to because
Speaker 1: how much can you call Tony unless we are financially
Speaker 1: supporting Tony to be able to expand what it is
Speaker 1: that she's doing. So I'm just I'm sorry that I
Speaker 1: have not been more present, but I'm being very honest
Speaker 1: and saying this scares me. There's no agi. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you a funny moment. So you know we,
Speaker 1: like you said, we know on each other for years,
Speaker 1: fucking lie with Yandy crazy then and she always we
Speaker 1: gotta help Tone yes, always hit me. And what's crazy
Speaker 1: is all the rest of you. I've been doing to leaker.
Speaker 1: I don't do the ship for you know, to be publicized.
Speaker 1: I do it because I don't and now I have
Speaker 1: in my mindset I don't want these kids to go
Speaker 1: through where I went. What really made me really start
Speaker 1: doing it was because I saw the signs of somebody
Speaker 1: tried to kidnap my daughter and she was six years
Speaker 1: old on the number six trains on a hundred. I
Speaker 1: sucked this man up. They take him to the hospital,
Speaker 1: they arrested me. It took people that was there at
Speaker 1: to tell the cops. No, he was trying to pull
Speaker 1: her daughter out of her arm. He fractured my daughter's arm.
Speaker 1: We found out seventy two hours later that this man
Speaker 1: was the purchase of a person of interest in Oregon,
Speaker 1: New Mexico and Las Vegas for kidnap four girls. H
Speaker 1: So then they called me and my husband. We get
Speaker 1: down there and my husband said to me and my
Speaker 1: my husband, my husband got locked up. When I knew
Speaker 1: my husband, he was young before he got locked up.
Speaker 1: He got locked up. He's what you called he was
Speaker 1: what you called, um, a juvenile lifer. He made up
Speaker 1: the whole term juvenile lifer. He had like all his
Speaker 1: backing and all that. He got locked up when he
Speaker 1: was fourteen and didn't get out until he was thirty one.
Speaker 1: M Um, my husband knew who I was, like I said,
Speaker 1: when he was young, he knew who I was. Um,
Speaker 1: when this halfer he told me, he said, don't you
Speaker 1: think it's time now? It's time now for you to
Speaker 1: tell your story? He said, because I remember them asked
Speaker 1: what we used to get in Philly, you know, coming
Speaker 1: in money short. He was like, it's time now, he
Speaker 1: was like, it's only years past. You're working as a nurse.
Speaker 1: You people thinking that you just up and up and
Speaker 1: nice lady. They don't know your life stories. And you
Speaker 1: think you should at them, so to skip ahead. Were
Speaker 1: wrestling all these little black kids, some white, some Hispanic.
Speaker 1: Do you know what got me my verification badge? To
Speaker 1: me and my son, I want you all to hear
Speaker 1: me when I say this, do you know what got
Speaker 1: me my verification badge? And I put it on my page.
Speaker 1: I found a forty year old white lady down on
Speaker 1: a skit role who had been missing for two years,
Speaker 1: who just gave up her kids. She was being six
Speaker 1: traffic they had been looking for. We even posted it
Speaker 1: on my page and UM get alive when we found
Speaker 1: her and everything. Come to find out, you got a
Speaker 1: verification on social media? Yes, that's when I got when
Speaker 1: I when I found her and we found out a
Speaker 1: week after that when they these people called me and
Speaker 1: asked me to come because there was like we've been
Speaker 1: trying to find her for two years. We gave you
Speaker 1: her picture and you found her in three days? H
Speaker 1: What the hell? I found out she was actually her husband?
Speaker 1: Is this big time to do x Susman? Is this
Speaker 1: big time director producers? I never met the man over
Speaker 1: there in Hollywood and he's the one who gave me
Speaker 1: my donation. It was like, people need to know who
Speaker 1: you are. I woke up the next one and I
Speaker 1: had a verification. Are so say that? They say, you
Speaker 1: got a verification for helping to rescue a white woman
Speaker 1: who was grown. Yes, babies, babies, you didn't get no
Speaker 1: verification for that? Mm hmmm mmm, Sonny, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta go. Huh. I'm burdened to that. And every time
Speaker 1: I talked to you, I'm burden. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: people are the same way with me. My son knows.
Speaker 1: As soon as they see me, they just be like
Speaker 1: who it's a lot like we will talking to you
Speaker 1: they are. They're like, we love to Maka, but it's
Speaker 1: just too much. Like I'm thinking about times that my sign,
Speaker 1: myself and others have gone to Jada Pinkett's house, right
Speaker 1: and m c light on meet us over there, and
Speaker 1: we got other friends and we'll all get together at
Speaker 1: will and Jada's house and we end up talking about
Speaker 1: so many different issues that at times the whole room
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, wait, it's too much. But then they
Speaker 1: still want more because they want to know, want to
Speaker 1: like so then what so what do we do here?
Speaker 1: Jade is like when her check book out right in
Speaker 1: the check to the people. I'm telling her over here
Speaker 1: need how she's doing a show creating. Um, you know
Speaker 1: she's figuring out with her producers, how she's gonna do
Speaker 1: a show on this issue. Light is calling this one
Speaker 1: to get them to post the thing and the thing.
Speaker 1: We got a full work session going on while trying
Speaker 1: to enjoy just being together because there's so much ship happening,
Speaker 1: and not discuss these things when we get together. I
Speaker 1: always say black people need a meeting everythingree single day.
Speaker 1: You gotta have. So what I want to say is
Speaker 1: people's oftentimes say protecting me de Mallory at all costs,
Speaker 1: and we have to be saying the same thing about
Speaker 1: Tony Rivera at Tony at all courts. How do people
Speaker 1: give to you today? How can they get Um? I
Speaker 1: usually just give my information out the zel on to
Speaker 1: go straight to Rose because I don't want anything come
Speaker 1: to me. It held straight to my organization. Um, I
Speaker 1: think it's time I have to look at it again.
Speaker 1: I know it's Tony at roles slash organization dot com.
Speaker 1: So you don't have a cash at or your website
Speaker 1: doesn't have a link. Do we need to do all
Speaker 1: your business, Tony when I say to me, let me
Speaker 1: tell you that's why I told this Toya. Um, I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be management again because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do everything on my own. Yeah, and I'm really not
Speaker 1: able to um because I got so much going on.
Speaker 1: I got like six projects I'm doing. I just finished
Speaker 1: so many pitch decks. I finished four pitch decks for podcasts,
Speaker 1: two reality shows. And see, I mean I'm just then
Speaker 1: I just got my own um ton of real production started.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like I'm moving because I'm coming out
Speaker 1: of the rescuing and you know I'm coming out of
Speaker 1: that because of my kids. My kids are older. I
Speaker 1: got three that are in college. Um, my fourteen year
Speaker 1: old she wants to be you know, live a little.
Speaker 1: But everybody come up tour and like, yo, it's Tona,
Speaker 1: do you you're your mom? If they see me and
Speaker 1: her out, um, they see my boys in school. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I'm gonna pull back from
Speaker 1: the now from the rescue and yeah, rescue side, so
Speaker 1: they can live a little. So I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go focus on me and concentrate on me. Well,
Speaker 1: people need to give you some money to be able
Speaker 1: to do that, and of course the world continues, you
Speaker 1: need to able to hire you should have to my
Speaker 1: soience point, Tony needs to have a major building organization
Speaker 1: somewhere where there are many people that are working just
Speaker 1: like we would have. That's why we say defund the police.
Speaker 1: I heard you saying that earlier, and I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying is that because of the budget cuts in
Speaker 1: some departments and in the police, and the police and
Speaker 1: and in the cities, they will say they don't have
Speaker 1: enough money to continue to do this work. But that's
Speaker 1: about prioritization, because they got enough money to buy what
Speaker 1: their own weapons of mass destruction where they are where
Speaker 1: they bring tanks out to meet protesters in the street. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's that's how we say defund the police because
Speaker 1: money needs to be shifted from policing and over police
Speaker 1: and two things like what you're talking about. But we
Speaker 1: want to give the information you just gave us. It
Speaker 1: ain't together. We need to help you before today. We're
Speaker 1: gonna you stay behind, We're gonna get yoursel and we're
Speaker 1: gonna put it out and make sure that people know
Speaker 1: how they can give you money because you need to
Speaker 1: be funded and supported. Oh yeah, I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do my little thing. But um,
Speaker 1: I look at it as you know, everybody said, oh Tony,
Speaker 1: you need money, and you're not the first one to
Speaker 1: say it. And I've always said that. The miss Toyat
Speaker 1: and Andy, I'm looking at this thing is God is
Speaker 1: using me for a vessel. Yes, right, I can't put
Speaker 1: a price tag on what he's using it for. Um.
Speaker 1: Me putting a price tag on it is really like, um,
Speaker 1: it's like demoting me and pushing him his agenda aside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's no price. Um, I'm helping kids get out of
Speaker 1: a lifestyle that God allowed me to go through. No,
Speaker 1: and I look at it. He knew I was a survival.
Speaker 1: He knew I was a strong person, so he let
Speaker 1: me go through this. So I'm helping them. So it's
Speaker 1: funny like with the money and aspect and all that.
Speaker 1: I don't I used the ship coming out of me
Speaker 1: in my husband's pocket. No, we're not rich. We do. No,
Speaker 1: we've done thank you for your time, but we're not
Speaker 1: gonna do because we've done that. We've done that, and
Speaker 1: not only have we put out so much. We still
Speaker 1: do it. We still do it. I was listening the
Speaker 1: other day, we were somewhere, and I was watching my
Speaker 1: son literally paying for organizational expenses with his personal car RD.
Speaker 1: I do it all the time. I bought flights on
Speaker 1: my own. If I get a check from speaking somewhere
Speaker 1: and some money comes in, I use And he will
Speaker 1: attest to this and so many others because they know
Speaker 1: I will use some of that money for me personally
Speaker 1: to pay for organizational expenses, because we don't want to
Speaker 1: run out of money to do out of work. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I know all about what
Speaker 1: you're saying. And there are people who try to tell
Speaker 1: us that we shouldn't have money to do what we do.
Speaker 1: We be heminently reject that we veheminently rejected. If you
Speaker 1: can give money to celebrities for music and and entertainers
Speaker 1: and and and athletes to play ball, you can also
Speaker 1: help people like a Tony Rivera my Phone, Lenard, Tamika Mallory,
Speaker 1: Erica Ford's and so many others that's doing work to
Speaker 1: be able to do what we do. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: put your infinite and he's right. Thank you, Tony, thanks.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because when I'm looking at Tony, I
Speaker 1: see that she's overwhelmed, you know, she's she's overworked, She's overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: That's no joke. That's a burden. That's a burden. And
Speaker 1: the fearlessness which is still there's fear even in the
Speaker 1: fearlessness um of getting out there and being like I'm
Speaker 1: going at it no matter what. That's some serious stuff. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: And that just and that brings you to my I
Speaker 1: don't get it, you know, I just I don't get
Speaker 1: how people pray when our kids, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: really don't like as a man, who who see who
Speaker 1: really wants to be a protector and provider for children?
Speaker 1: Like I don't see how you look at a young
Speaker 1: girl six years old, ten years old, any teen years old,
Speaker 1: and like, how do you pray on our children? Like
Speaker 1: what is it? What you know? It has to be
Speaker 1: some mindst I don't even I can't even identify, like
Speaker 1: what it would take to be a grown adult as
Speaker 1: man and pray on our babies. Man, and it to
Speaker 1: men and women. We got to change the language. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing is this, most times the women who
Speaker 1: are doing it are being the victim, not necessarily. I
Speaker 1: mean from what I'm seeing. I thought eat the other
Speaker 1: day that's been moving around online and I actually was
Speaker 1: gonna post it, but I you know, when I post something,
Speaker 1: when you post something, we gotta be ready to deal
Speaker 1: with it because it it goes wildfire. And the tweet said,
Speaker 1: stop making men think it's a badge of honor that
Speaker 1: they were victimized at thirteen and fourteen years old by
Speaker 1: an older babysitter or an older family member or an
Speaker 1: older neighbor neighbor, because we will look at that and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he had he was getting it early. But
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is that at thirteen years old,
Speaker 1: if the twenty six year old babysitter is having sex
Speaker 1: with you, that's rape. It's rape, and it's moles stationed,
Speaker 1: and it is traumatizing, and it is taking the innocence
Speaker 1: of a young child away, and that's gonna take about
Speaker 1: to retreat him in state of the man it really is,
Speaker 1: because I don't, I can't really, you probably find a handful,
Speaker 1: if you can find that, of men that will identify
Speaker 1: that with any level of trauma or any level of pain,
Speaker 1: like right, because when it's just looking at just as
Speaker 1: from a sexist I mean, not a sex from a
Speaker 1: sex um inter you you know, from a woman and men,
Speaker 1: just the sex of different sexes. Men don't. We don't
Speaker 1: see it that way. We just we like as much
Speaker 1: as I sit there and think about it, and when
Speaker 1: and when you start tearing back the layers and you
Speaker 1: start doing you know, the psychological of how men are
Speaker 1: sexualized and how we equate every a lot of things,
Speaker 1: which sex. Maybe that is what has led to that mentality.
Speaker 1: But we don't see ourselves as victims Anymost of men,
Speaker 1: young boys at that time, think that they got over
Speaker 1: you know, it was a badge of honor. They didn't
Speaker 1: feel we didn't feel nass Steve, we didn't feel violated,
Speaker 1: we didn't feel any level of trauma. So to get
Speaker 1: us to identify with that mentality, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot harder not seeing this wrong because you're right now
Speaker 1: when adult is playing on a thirteen twelve whatever, yo,
Speaker 1: then there's definitely still should be um statutory rate the
Speaker 1: same thing. But I'm just trying to say most men
Speaker 1: that I speak to will never really identify that because
Speaker 1: the thing is, and that's why I said, I didn't
Speaker 1: post it yet because I was like, gotta be ready
Speaker 1: when get it? This is getting ready to be comments.
Speaker 1: Let and you would have been one of the people
Speaker 1: in my comments that I would have to tell leave
Speaker 1: me alone. But he was giving you because I'm cold,
Speaker 1: my whole life can give you that point of view.
Speaker 1: I know that that's that I totally respected, and I
Speaker 1: know it's a feeling in my twenty two year old
Speaker 1: to read says the same thing everybody. Everybody feels the
Speaker 1: same way. But there is so much about a man's
Speaker 1: Some men, too many men lack of and I when
Speaker 1: I say sensitivity, it's the wrong word for this context.
Speaker 1: But ability to treat a woman the right way sexually.
Speaker 1: That comes from not having a natural progression into your
Speaker 1: sexual into your sexuality, and into your sexual understanding. Right,
Speaker 1: There's so many women who are not being pleased sexually
Speaker 1: by men because the way that they were taught to
Speaker 1: have sex was not actually the right again natural experience
Speaker 1: of the first time you're having sex, you might be
Speaker 1: I'm just using this and I'm not suggesting at all
Speaker 1: that this happened, but I'm just saying you sixteen or
Speaker 1: seventeen and you have sex with another sixteen seventeen year old.
Speaker 1: So y'all are learning things about one another or whatever.
Speaker 1: Maybe you start out sixteen, you're just kissing. Seventeen might
Speaker 1: be a little more so. Eight seem to you know,
Speaker 1: And there's a process that you're going through. Instead, you're
Speaker 1: a young kid that is being taken advantage of buy
Speaker 1: an adult who doesn't care about you. They are literally
Speaker 1: taking advantage of you for their own purposes. And so
Speaker 1: then you begin to reenact the same things over and
Speaker 1: over and over again because you think that that's the
Speaker 1: right way to handle a woman or to be in
Speaker 1: relationship into in sexual relationship with somebody. So I get
Speaker 1: why it's cool, and the other thing is mine. I
Speaker 1: keep telling you this over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: So much of what we all believe is what was
Speaker 1: told to us, or what in a patriarchal society was
Speaker 1: sold to us as the truth, when if we really
Speaker 1: sit and think back on how it all and I'm
Speaker 1: not by the way, if you go back and look
Speaker 1: at the history of where some of us come from,
Speaker 1: taking advantage of young kids has been a thing forever.
Speaker 1: This is not like the same. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: all became the America or we whatever, and it No,
Speaker 1: this has been a thing for too long and it's
Speaker 1: always been wrong right in my judgment, And I think
Speaker 1: we have a responsibility, as I often tell you, to
Speaker 1: deal with this. So when you say you don't get it,
Speaker 1: we ain't been getting it. This is the world. And
Speaker 1: I ended and I ended on this right because I
Speaker 1: was just listening to your perspective. And yeah, maybe you
Speaker 1: know a lot of men, you know, because of sexual
Speaker 1: experience they had they weren't natural, that were you know,
Speaker 1: out of order, probably have you know, made them a
Speaker 1: lot less compassionate and even understanding about women and take
Speaker 1: the time to do. But I'm being honest with me.
Speaker 1: My sexual experiences were older women is what taught me
Speaker 1: sexually as it may. Like when I was having sex
Speaker 1: withal younger, I didn't even though it wasn't having sex, right,
Speaker 1: I thought I was actually having sex and I wasn't.
Speaker 1: That I found out from an older woman like that's
Speaker 1: not You didn't you didn't go in anywhere, like you
Speaker 1: didn't even put it. You just was in between my legs.
Speaker 1: Nothing actually happened. A young girl just didn't even know.
Speaker 1: She wasn't telling me anything. So I mean, there's this
Speaker 1: variation and this and that might be something that's necessary.
Speaker 1: You made need to go through the process of learning
Speaker 1: and knowing and this and that, and I don't. And
Speaker 1: I know for sure that an older woman has no
Speaker 1: business teaching that to a child, right. That should not
Speaker 1: be happening because it also goes along manipulating the mental
Speaker 1: ability and capacity of a younger person. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that happens. But I will say this, and
Speaker 1: you write we're done on because me and you every
Speaker 1: week we end up fighting all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But I will say good, most dudes don't even know
Speaker 1: how to have sex, even though they had it with
Speaker 1: the old women, because most women are faking orgasms during sex.
Speaker 1: So the brother can get the hell uh, that is
Speaker 1: what's happening, ladies, y'all, But it's the true happened. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you. And with that said, we're gonna end
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