WEBVTT - Is Kidnapping a Business with Tatyana Ali and 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:07.720 What's up, family, I'm your girl to mek A D. Mallory, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.719 it's your boy, my son in general, and we are 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:16.599 your host of street politicians the place where this is 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.120 a heavy show, Mike, were getting ready to get into 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.759 something that's deep, deep, deep deep deep. Ready. This is 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.400 a tough one man, you know. Just over the last 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.120 couple of weeks, you know, this first story that we're 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.240 talking about had me and tears. And I don't usually cry, 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.080 but this won't hav me in tears. You cry sometimes 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.640 for me, I try not to, you know, trying not 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.239 to try not to cry. I do. I ain't gonna lie. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:40.760 I'm one of the people that trying not to cry. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.400 I'm getting better aty not to cry. You should get 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.600 at it, yeah, because the stuff we deal with is heavy. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:53.680 It's heavy, and actually I've been really um. I have 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.120 actually been blessed by the fact that you and other 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.640 men around y'all do expect yourselves not just in tears, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.000 but even in words and just making it clear to hey, 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.040 this ship hurts. You know it hurts. So I don't 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.640 think you should try not to cry, but you know, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.280 I don't want to see you crying any minute. All 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.479 the time every day, because I don't think you want 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:18.880 to see me crying every minute all the time. But yeah, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:25.760 it's a heavy discussion. We're talking about this new term 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.120 that we're learning around medical kidnapping. Some people are calling 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:35.240 it legal kidnapping. Others are calling it removal of children 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.320 from the home, which is the that's really the basis 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.600 of the argument. There's some people who are um, you know, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.000 it's just calling all types of things and I'm learning something. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.120 I'm learning so many terms and the other thing, I 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.559 think that this whole and then we're also talking about 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:53.000 human trafficking and how the things intersect um and and 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.320 one of the things that I know, and it's been 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.240 said to us a million times, you know, the adults 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.400 will always say, you stop learning a debt. So for us, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.560 this is a new world that we've been introduced to 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:13.640 and we're learning new terminology, learning about issues that we 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:19.280 don't even know, and how it kind of connects to 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:24.679 the work we do every day. Yeah, interesting, very much so, man, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.120 you know, and it's this this listening, you know, just 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:38.040 viewing what's happened with Sasha and time in Tyrene and 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.639 just seeing what's going on, just paying attention and to 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.960 start learning. There was a line you have to tell 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.360 people whose sight in Tyrene if you haven't been paying 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.880 attention to the news. Um, there are a couple whose 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.160 baby was, you know, medically kidnapped as you said, or 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.359 people say that some people say and just watching it. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.799 There was alive where she had to turn in her 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.880 baby to the to the hospital, and she was on 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.520 live with another young lady who I think maybe have 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.720 been a lawyer or something, and she was giving them 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.760 terms to use as they took took her baby, wouldn't 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.440 allow into the hospital, wouldn't allow them to do to 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.080 even be there while they took tests or did whatever 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.840 that was they would do. So I was just listening 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.320 to the lady and she was giving her advice and saying, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.400 ask them these questions right this down, asked them, all 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.240 you telling me that I can't be present with my child? 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.200 Are you telling me that I'm not allowed to be 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.200 present with my child while you are performing medical examinations? 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.440 Like there was a lot of things going on in 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.760 that thing, and I just started learning. And you know, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.640 for me, it's it's we need to be informed, we 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.040 need to know what our legal rights. All we need 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.240 to know what they're able to do, what they're not 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.520 able to do. So this whole situation every day, every minute, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.800 I'm learning more and more about it. Yeah. No, So 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.920 Saisha and Ti Tyrene Um, so that folks know, Uh, 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.840 they are a couple that after their child was one 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.599 years old, they lost their son. And after losing the 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:23.160 first baby, it was already determined that CPS Child Protective 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.359 Services would be somehow involved in the birth of a 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.840 new child that Saysha was pregnant with, which baby I set. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.720 I think it's such a beautiful name. Uh. She was 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.839 now returned to her family, but after one week she 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:44.320 had been removed from the household because of the things 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.560 that have been already happening with baby Rock. Um. And 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.320 so they are this has been going off for six 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:55.400 months that their son was removed from the home and Um, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.200 there's a movement that has really been developing around helping 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.919 them to fight for their children and so Um, like 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:09.520 you said, we've been getting deep into learning and understanding 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.240 that there are so many families across the country. And 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.799 guess what, there's some families that probably need their children 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.839 taken right. Some there are people who do not deserve 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.039 to have children. But when I see the number of 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:28.720 folks that have been reaching out to us recently, they 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.320 know about some's wrong here. Something is wrong, because I 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.840 don't you just look at just look at the way 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.280 that this couple love doing their children and used to 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.599 just see the intensity and an intention of love that 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.279 they give to these babies. You know, it just it 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.039 seems like something is definitely all wrong here. Yeah, And 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:56.120 being being a loving parents, being a good person does 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.240 not mean you're perfect. It just all may that not 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.760 being perfect doesn't mean that's somebody to take your children 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:07.800 exactly exactly. You might not get the laxation process right, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:12.480 which was the case in sietious situation. You might not 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.920 get you know, the child might fall and hurt themselves. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.120 And I get it. The system doesn't know when to 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.320 activate and when not. Because you don't know people lie. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.320 Children can't necessarily speak for themselves or advocate. But there 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:30.240 has to be a better way than to rip babies 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.080 out the arms of their mothers, mothers and fathers. So 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.359 we're talking about that today, and I had I have 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.919 a little thought though that is totally not a part 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:48.200 of this conversation around um, these new terms that we're 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:55.080 learning medical kidnapping, understanding more about human trafficking and sex trafficking. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.760 Those things are really serious and we really are focused 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:02.200 on that in this show. UM, like my Daughter of 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.719 the Day, as I have been on my social media 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.320 the last few days, and you know that. Uh, I 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.840 mean obviously you invited uh Snoop to be on our board. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.280 These Uncle Snoop dogs to us. We love him so much. Uh. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.000 He's a great support of Until Freedom, our organization, Until 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.120 Freedom Go. Get you a T shirt from where Until 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.840 Freedom is that? And um, and he has been talking 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:34.360 about this Craig challenge. I'm trying to understand most people, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.840 most people, because there are some people who are there 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.480 definite and usually as white folks that be their deafin. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.360 Most people get hurt doing something that they did not 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.400 want to get hurt. They weren't trying to get hurt, 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.520 they weren't expecting to get hurt, and they thought that 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.920 the odds for them to to do this thing, we 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:02.120 are tying their favor right. They thought they thought I 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.280 could ride this motorcycle. I'm a willie. I know that 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.400 I shouldn't be, but the odds are most people can 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.840 pop a willie and they're good. Right. The crate challenge, 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.160 the odds are all the way against you, and only 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:23.480 a point point point one percent of people will actually succeed. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:30.600 But dot two, three four or whatever, getting as close 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.440 to a hundred percent as possible will not just fall, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.800 but will hit the concrete. You don't have control of 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.199 your face, your head, nothing, or you're hitting these crates. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.960 I've seen people hit their their head with the crates. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.880 I've seen people their sides getting slammed. So they are 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.960 intentionally going out to do something where the odds are 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.800 that you could really hurt yourself really bad. And I'm 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.720 trying to understand who the hell came up with it, 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.600 and why are black people who, by the way, don't 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.199 like to go to the hospital because we are not 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.680 treated properly when we get there. And a lot of 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.840 us don't have proper health insurance. Some of us don't 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.200 have health insurance at all. Some folks got to go 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.559 to work, or at least I thought maybe the pandemic's 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.800 got something to do with it, because you're supposed to 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.200 be at work now, your arm is hurting, your head's hurtain. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.480 You don't got knocked out your side, it's not right? 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.640 What sense that maybe you could tell me? What sense 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:38.280 does this make? It is stupid? It ain't like for me, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.280 I'm looking at it and I'm like, yo, who came 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.800 up with? Let me just see if I could Because 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.360 after watching two or three of them in the way 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.280 they're falling, I'm like, it's no way I'm trying that, 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.240 Like if there's no possible way that I'm walking up 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.480 crates where people fall on a slide on a side, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.760 the legs flip open, people hitting the ground. The last 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.000 onee somebody, the last one I've seen. Moody actually kicked 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.640 the dude all of his and he felt it almost 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.600 broke his neck. And I'm like, yo, why do we 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.160 find amusement in the stupidest ship? Like what it is? Like? 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.680 What it's like? We ain't chat. We don't have the 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.880 challenge to get money, We don't have the challenge to 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.599 build business. We ain't got the challenge to be entrepreneurs. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.200 We ain't got the challenge to friends make money together 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.480 a challenge, but we got to create chat like come on, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:33.200 like I mean, listen, I guess it's entertained to somebody. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:41.400 For me, it's stupid do pick completely, and I hope 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:47.439 that people will be smarter than the stupidity that we see. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.160 Because it's done. Before we go to the next segment 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.599 and have our special guests joint, we're gonna take a 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:58.880 quick break for our sponsors. So I am uh just 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:04.400 so how be. But unfortunately it's not a happy occasion, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.000 uh to have a young woman with us today that 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.640 has really truly UM over the last few weeks shown 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:20.880 me what humble aggression is all about. A very uh, 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:26.280 soft spoken woman but yet very powerful in that when 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:31.440 she sees injustice, she's gonna find everybody that's necessary to 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.600 get involved and to help. UM. Most of you saw 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.480 that until Freedom has been supporting Saysha and Ti, who 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.200 lost their two children. They've now UM received one of 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.560 their babies back, been reunited with with with their younger 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.680 daughter UM with the newborn, but they still have not 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.920 been reunited with their son. And there is a major 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.840 campaign to bring raw home. And you all have been 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.360 very much so involved in that, UM. But I've found 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.440 out because Tatiana ilily called me and over the last 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.920 few weeks, UM, we have bonded. Unfortunately, in trauma, a 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:14.959 lot of people don't recognize how much trauma brings people together. UM. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.040 That would be the same for our relationship, my song 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.360 with the with the Brianna Taylors family, with Trayvon Martin's family. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:27.480 You've become really close to so many individuals based upon trauma, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.400 and that has happened here with Tatiana and I being 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.600 on the phone morning, noon and night trying to assist 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.800 this family in whatever way that we can, understanding that 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.200 the system we're up against has a lot of power 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.559 and a lot of people who support it, even people 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.640 who look like us. So Tatiana, this past weekend you 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.440 were in um Sara sold to Florida at a rally 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.360 that we all kind of worked on. UM. A shout 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:57.000 out to the family and our sister Denisia, who was 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.320 really the lead organizer on putting the alete together. And 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.199 we were all supposed to be there, and then Hurricane 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.480 Henry Kane and decided that those of us leaving from 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.679 the northeast wouldn't be able to make it. But you 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.760 were still able to go trade the truth to our brother, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.360 who we are on the front lines with every day, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.319 was there. He could travel. Thankfully this time the hurricane 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.840 wasn't in Houston, Texas, where he is unfortunately always UM 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.400 on the front lines dealing with people who are experiencing 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.840 that issue and the tragedies associated with hurricanes. So we 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.760 weren't able to be there, but you all held down 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.480 the fort and we wanted to hear from you firsthand 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.679 what happened. You know, what did you see? What did 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.440 you experience? Thanks to make up for for everything that 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.800 that you've done. And and I want to say that 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.760 like I you know, I see the way you move 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.599 and so um that's why I put the a p 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:58.120 B out on you. Everybody was calling me like ta Tiana, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.760 I leave needs to talk to you. I pretext, I 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.800 got emails, I got phone calls, I got d M 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:10.520 s on Twitter and Instagram. Everybody I did um and 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:16.360 uh so so um so in Snnesota. UM, I got 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:21.560 a chance to um meet cit entire in person. I 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.400 also got a chance to meet baby. I said, um 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:31.680 uh and um uh baby, I said Grandma Tai's mom, Um, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:36.160 Mrs Elma Mackay uh. And it was just a beautiful 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.640 It was a beautiful gathering of um their community and 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.040 the people in their community that have really been rallying 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:49.680 around them and getting the message out. UM. I also 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:54.560 met other families UH from Kentucky, from Texas, from New York, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.600 from Alabama who made their way UM, who were able 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.880 to make their way over UH to be there because 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:08.120 for them, this was their first opportunity to UM, to 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.200 speak on it in a more public way. They've been 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.479 trying very much, and nobody's answering their calls, nobody's listening. UM. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.800 It was. I mean to say, it was a unity rally. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.080 It started with meditation, It started with quiet, and you know, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.440 people's hearts are broken because they're longing for their children. UM. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.920 And in many cases they are the very space that 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.680 they went to for help is where they were attacked 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.000 and where they were victimizing, where their children were taken 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:44.760 or you know, um illegally or legally sorry, legally kidnapped. UM. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:50.800 It was. It was beautiful that all the families spoke. UM. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:57.720 There was music, UM, and it was a lot. This 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.840 was just yesterday. So so I'm I'm still just kind 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:07.280 of downloading with myself just you know, emotionally what was there. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.160 And and sometimes you go into these spaces and you know, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.680 I was there for to help and to say like 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.840 you know, I care, and I'm there and I'm willing 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.600 to too, willing and I hope God willing able to 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.680 help as much as I can, but also to provide 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.160 encouragement that they're not alone in sarah Soota, and that 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.320 there are people all over the country and even people 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.880 outside of the country who are starting to pay attention 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.280 and who who want to help and want to know 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.120 how to help. Um it's tough. It's tough. When I 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.240 one of the things that I said when I was there, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.920 when I got a chance to speak, and your message 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.160 that you sent, Tomika was really well received and and 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.560 it was beautiful and very powerful, as you always are. UM. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.240 But one of the things that I um I said is, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:02.040 and it's true. What drew me in to their story 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.639 when it was sent to me by a friend was 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:10.000 amen Ra's eyes. They look like my baby's eyes. They're 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.320 full of light. They're happy, they're joyful. You know how, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.080 you know how black babies when we love on them, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.240 they're all nice and oil and their hair is curl 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.280 because they got the oils on them. You know, they 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.560 got cocoa butter and shay and everything. And this is 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.680 what this baby looks like. And and and and immediately 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.639 just from his face, from from the light in his eyes, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.720 I thought, wait a minute, he has loved what is 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.720 going on here. And and I recognize my sons in 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.440 him and in all of the children whose pictures were 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.600 up there. And you know, wrong is wrong? Um? I 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.040 feel like if if we are a village, you know, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.960 independent of how far we are by miles, and when 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.760 you take our children, there has to be a response. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.560 They're there. Without our children, we we don't have anything. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.520 You know, they are there are greatest wildest dreams, dreams 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.320 we can't even begin to conceive of. They are those 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.840 things manifest in this world, and without them we have nothing. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.399 They can't they can't. This can't stand, so can I? 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.760 I want to ask you like a two part question. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.480 First of all, for for all of those I think 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:23.359 pretty much most people know what happened with the situation, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.240 but some people may not. So I want you to 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.159 give like a brief synopsis about what happened. And then 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.720 you know, you talked about the rally and the people 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.560 who were there and some of the stories. Can you, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.639 like give us a couple of the stories, because this, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.240 to me, this is my bigline when I first seen this, 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.879 I couldn't even believe this was happening. So yeah, I 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.360 think it's hard for a lot of people to understand, 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.600 and it's hard for a lot of people to believe. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.439 And I'll share a little bit about what brought me 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.120 to this work, and by my baseline is maybe it's 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.920 easier for me to believe. So I had an experience 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.560 with the birth of my son i Sie, he now five, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.600 in the hospital that was dreadful. It. You know, they 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.639 they did many things wrong and um, many things that 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.879 are abusive, like when I explained it to professionals, their 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.440 DAWs to drop the kind of physical things that were 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.720 done to me. And it ended up with my baby 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.760 being in the Nike for five days. And I had 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.960 a very healthy pregnancy, there was no reason for him 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.000 to be sick. Um, but he was hurt during my 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:35.480 delivery by by members of the hospital and that led 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:40.320 me to shock. You know, we were we were traumatized 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:44.359 and extremely shocked, especially during that first year. We didn't 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.320 know what hit us. And it wasn't until I became 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.800 pregnant with my second son, Alejandro, that we just were like, 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.200 we can't. The hospital became a scary place. I need 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.479 to find some other way, and I um in my 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:01.840 search found this was welcomed at stually by this incredible 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.880 community of Black birth workers and Black Midwise and Duelus. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.160 I started working on a documentary um that I'm still 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.520 in the midst of this, this working with scientation. I 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.080 have nothing to do with that, but I'm sorry, citations, 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.679 I have nothing to do with that. But but um, 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:24.479 I started interviewing black midwise and and and do us, 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:31.400 and I've heard many stories about their work preemptively trying 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:36.760 to make sure that CPS Child Protective Services does not 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:42.640 you know, has has trying to gather trying to gather 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.600 all of the information. They try to gather as much 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.280 information during the pregnancy as they can so that if 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.480 CPS comes their arms. You see what I'm saying, because 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:57.080 it happens so often um taking newborns away, um um 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.840 and then going after other children in the home. So 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.560 I had a baseline of understanding that when I met 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:08.920 virtually with with Sigan Tie, I had heard this before. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.600 It wasn't that brand new, and it wasn't that far fetched. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:19.520 And what often happens UM, this is also something that's common. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:25.440 Saisha went to with lactation concerns. She was weaning Ra. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.560 In the process of weaning Ra, she was he was 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:33.880 a breastfed, solely breastfed baby, and in the process of weaning. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.000 You know, anybody who's breastfed their children, I have to 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.600 it's an experience that I have. UM. Even a hospital 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.800 unders stands, truly understands lactation and really has lactation people there, 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.639 or they don't. And UM, in this case, you know, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.240 it's been brought to my attention that the lactation people 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.800 in this hospital, this one woman in particular, is horrendous 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:05.120 and ultimately they were there for two weeks. UM they 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.000 wanted to give him a very high dose of vitamin B. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.600 Um Seisha recorded the moment when they actually came in 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:19.320 to take him to take raw away, and she didn't 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.840 even decline the offer for the vitamin B. What she 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.720 said was, I want to consult with my husband and 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.720 because of COVID, he wasn't able to be there the 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.879 whole time. He was actually on the phone, and you 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.120 can hear her in her recording crying and saying I'm 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.680 not saying no, I just want to I want to consult. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.560 I want more information. Now, remember she went to the 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:48.840 hospital for help, So they're claiming medical neglect. Um, but 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.160 to claim medical neglect when you're asking for medical help, 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.800 that doesn't make sense. That's that doesn't make sense. And 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:02.040 and Manate County where they are has a history. Um, 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.159 it's in if there was a USA Today article. They 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.360 have a history of really doing terrible things to families 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.720 and taking children out of loving homes. Um. It's incredible 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.600 that some of those same workers in CPS that are 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.600 in these articles still have almost a rubber stamp in 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.199 the county to take children away. Why they haven't been 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.439 up for review. I don't know how many articles have 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.760 to be written. There apparently is even a documentary in 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:35.520 the works at a major uh you know, uh streaming 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:40.040 outlet about these people, and they're not up for review 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.479 and they still have a rubber stamp even with this family. 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.200 It's um, that's that's only part of their story. Um, 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:51.400 there's there's uh you know, there's much more. And then 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.480 they came into baby I want to say it right, 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:58.520 I keep saying yes, But it's spelled A S T. 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.399 She's named after a got it. Yeah, So that's the piece. 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.360 The only other part that I didn't hear right, right, 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:10.160 So baby asset. Now. Part of the reason uh Saysha 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.720 was trying to wean baby raight at the time she 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.680 was was because she was pregnant with us Set and 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:23.119 um what while she was pregnant when they took so 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.399 she was going through all of this in a pregnancy, 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:30.600 during a pregnancy. UM. I believe I Set was born 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.880 at home. They had a home birth, and they came 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:41.760 and took her with with no cause other than the 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:46.159 fact that they had taken raw and that happens often 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.560 as well. They took her at when she was six, 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:51.560 I think about six. I think she was like six 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:57.359 days old, days old. Um in an incredible display of force, 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:01.560 not feeling any of the baby. And because I'm human, 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:06.680 my days old and you're taking my baby away from me, 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:13.160 you're taking my baby away from me. You have no right, 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:22.320 don't make it. I'm crazy, Okay, I know you have children. 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:26.960 This is my baby. They terrorized this family for doing 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:31.000 both people and that's where most people get involved, because 0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:34.000 what I mean by that, I'm talking about the general public. 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.800 Prior to that, you knew and others knew, and there 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.920 were some folks advocating but it was when they went 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:45.679 live during the seizure if you will, of a child 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:50.439 of a newborn baby, that world saw it and said, 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.840 what in the hell is happening? So people know they 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.920 had already they said they were coming to take the baby. 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:01.840