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Speaker 1: Welcome. What's burnon here with the international Man in Mystery

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Speaker 1: Matt Barnes, just back from Croatia.

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Speaker 2: All the smoke international you guys.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that sunset everyone go to Matt's ig

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It was insane.

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Speaker 1: What was it like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean shout out to Domo. He was great,

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Speaker 3: great hosts. We were out there for the Croatia Sunset

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Speaker 3: Sports Festival. We were one of a handful of people

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Speaker 3: they brought in from around the world to talk sports media,

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Speaker 3: women in sports, women in media. So we had a

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Speaker 3: great time. But it was really an eight day vacation.

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Speaker 3: I think we worked a total of like four hours

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Speaker 3: and eight days. So food was great, views were amazing,

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Speaker 3: water was turquoise, as my girl likes to say. The

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Speaker 3: air was clean. So man had a great time in Croatia.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Showtime Basketball. For eight days for four hours

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Speaker 1: of work, it's pretty great.

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Speaker 3: Cross the waters. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: There we go while you left, though, while you were

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Speaker 1: sleeping so to speak, like the NBA Finals started, I

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Speaker 1: know that you kept up. We're going into Game three

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Speaker 1: in Miami all tied up. What the odds makers expected

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Speaker 1: after Denver thumped Miami in Game one, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets were actually up at halftime. They're up by

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Speaker 1: fifteen in the second quorder. What does it surprise you

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Speaker 1: that they're going into Game three tied? Do you think

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Speaker 1: it means something?

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Speaker 3: I can't say it's surprised me at this point, because

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Speaker 3: I think Miami has continued to surprise everyone on every level,

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Speaker 3: you know, from me in one game, or being a

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Speaker 3: playing team losing their first playing game, to running through

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Speaker 3: the best the Eastern Concert has to offer. I really

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Speaker 3: just give a lot of credit to Spolster and Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 3: I really feel like they have these guys believing. You know,

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Speaker 3: obviously you look at the roster, it's not a ton

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Speaker 3: of name to jump out to you, but these guys

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Speaker 3: play a certain way, and I compare them to a

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Speaker 3: San Antonio from a standpoint, not the talent and if

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Speaker 3: they'll win a championship or not, but just great coach

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Speaker 3: that makes these guys believe in They're going to play

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Speaker 3: their way every single game. They're not going to beat themselves.

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Speaker 3: You're going to have to beat them, and that's what

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Speaker 3: I think you saw in Game two. They didn't beat themselves.

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Speaker 3: I think Denver let their foot off the gas. You know,

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Speaker 3: obviously spoiled through you know, Spolster through some defensive you

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Speaker 3: know magic in there from you know, pressing to going

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Speaker 3: into his zone to you know, really focusing on slowing

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Speaker 3: down Murray. So uh again, you know, great executing, you

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Speaker 3: know a great execution. But we all know, Rachel, you know,

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Speaker 3: the finals in the playoffs in general all about adjustments.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna have to see how Denver bounces back.

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Speaker 3: But you know, heading into Miami won one, Miami's feeling

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Speaker 3: very confident right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean we know this bo is a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach, bound for the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: one day. This is chess match. Though Michael Malone knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's been around the block. He was

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Speaker 1: literally raised in the game. His father was an NBA coach.

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Speaker 1: So I do think the x's and o's is going

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Speaker 1: to be interesting going back and forth. And there was

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Speaker 1: a lot made in game two of turning Yokic into

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Speaker 1: a scorer instead of a passer. Right, he did open

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Speaker 1: up the scoring lanes. I mean, that's inarguable. Jokic had

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Speaker 1: a playoff low for him for assists.

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Speaker 2: But afterward coach.

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Speaker 3: Spoke to you didn't like that.

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Speaker 2: Turning Yokic into a score. He was very adamant.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a very simplistic view and all of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Was that accurate on his part or was that a

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Speaker 1: little gamesmanship of him being like, no, no, that's not

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Speaker 1: what we're doing over here.

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Speaker 3: I think a little bit of both. Obviously, shout out

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Speaker 3: Ramona because she knows the game. She knows the game,

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Speaker 3: you know, as good as anybody.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it was a completely legitimate, valid question.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but obviously there's more to it. You know. I

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Speaker 3: think Jokic is great, but we've seen when his supporting

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Speaker 3: an off night, Michael Porter Junior didn't show up. You know,

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Speaker 3: Bruce Brown's been great off the bench. He didn't really

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Speaker 3: So you know, again, I think you brought up a

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Speaker 3: great point. You know, two of the best coaches in

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Speaker 3: And then also there's a game that's being played on

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Speaker 3: Game three will be about a justments and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: we know that Miami kind of really has to make

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Speaker 3: Denvers the better team, but you know, the game is

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Speaker 1: One of the real geniuses of Miami's roster for the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, is what it is because it

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Speaker 1: like dexterous, right, they can do so many different things

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Speaker 1: and they didn't, so like all of that's real yea. Also, however,

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Speaker 1: Yogica's post touches were really limited, and that's one of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, Miami's hung their hat during

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Speaker 3: But you know, anytime you can get Bam and Jimmy

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Speaker 3: in scoring. It's been different guys at different time from me. Know,

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Speaker 3: Caleb Martin had a great Eastern Conference finals. He hasn't

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Speaker 3: so you know, again, I really just credit Spolster for,

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Speaker 3: you know we're just as good as anybody in the world,

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Speaker 3: and we're showing it right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, Steve Kerr, of all people, had an interesting take

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Speaker 1: on Spolstra. He went on Draymond's podcast after Game two,

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Speaker 1: which is an amazing sentence that I just.

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Speaker 2: Said out loud.

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Speaker 1: I mean, things have changed so much in the media

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Speaker 1: and NBA world that we have a current player podcasting

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Speaker 1: after games about what's going on in the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: and has his head coach and what a time champion

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Speaker 1: joining him. But there you go. Enjoy NBA fans. You've

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Speaker 1: got a lot going on right now. It's a nice

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Speaker 1: world to be in. Steve talked about the heat starting

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Speaker 1: Kevin Love and how that allowed Jimmy Butler to guard

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Speaker 1: Murray and he said, quote, I can see them in

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Speaker 1: their coaching meetings saying Murray is the head of the snake,

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Speaker 1: not Jokic. Yokic is going to dominate no matter what

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Speaker 1: we do. I think they just decided Murray is the

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Speaker 1: don't know he thought it great call.

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Speaker 3: That's a great call, I mean, because we've seen I mean,

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Speaker 3: this Denver team has been struggling the last two years

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Speaker 3: great is So Steve Kerr has a great point. Jokic

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Speaker 3: is going to be Yokic regardless, Like you're not going

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Speaker 3: get one thing from him. This guy is a complete

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Speaker 3: player and does whatever it takes, from guarding the best

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Speaker 3: going to making plays. He's done absolutely everything this season.

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Speaker 3: But I agree, I mean, Jokic is one of those

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Speaker 3: lot of pressure on Aaron Gordon, Bruce Brown Colwell, Pope,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the Warriors guys, while you were out of

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Speaker 3: You obviously that was my first agent, very Bob was

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Speaker 1: I know who's Tray mcgrady's agent man, all right, so

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Speaker 1: you know him super well, you actually, I mean it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You interviewed him with all the smoke the day that

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Speaker 1: Draymond punched Jordan Poole. So you had been there with

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Speaker 1: the Warriors for some key moments this year. Obviously you're

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Speaker 1: so tied to that team. What do you think happens

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Speaker 3: That's tough. I mean, you're hearing some things slowed around.

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Speaker 3: One of my former teammates, Mike Dunley Junior, great basketball mind,

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Speaker 3: but I think what Bob did for that franchise is

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Speaker 1: tried to get this done in Dallas, and Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Didn't want to give up enough for him, didn't make

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Speaker 2: the deal.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I don't know if it's laying background work.

437
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that the Lakers are kind

438
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Speaker 1: of lukewarm on signing Kyrie. I mean, obviously he showed

439
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Speaker 1: up a two of their playoff games. He's been trying

440
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Speaker 1: to make a statement about at least wanted to play

441
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Speaker 1: with Lebron, if not play for the Lakers. And I

442
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Speaker 1: don't know how much money they have or would want

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Speaker 1: to pay him, certainly compared to Dallas. So maybe this

444
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Speaker 1: was his way of sort of publicly distancing himself, being like,

445
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to play for LA anyway. See, I'm

446
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Speaker 1: trying to recruit Lebron here actually, Like I don't know

447
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Speaker 1: what the behind the scenes.

448
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Speaker 3: I think none of us have had a successful job

449
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Speaker 3: at guessing on what Kyriry is thinking or his strategies,

450
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Speaker 3: you know, But I think obviously there's two things for certain.

451
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Speaker 3: The Lakers aren't giving up Lebron unless Luke was coming back.

452
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Speaker 3: And two, the Mavericks aren't going to work with Kyrie

453
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Speaker 3: from a standpoint of hey, let's send you where you

454
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Speaker 3: want to go. That those are two things that aren't

455
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Speaker 3: going to happen.

456
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Speaker 1: I mean, Kyrie's are free agents.

457
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, they're not going to work a trade situation

458
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Speaker 3: to kind of make it favorable for him. So obviously

459
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they want his talent, But I think they

460
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Speaker 3: want it, but they don't really know what to do

461
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Speaker 3: with it yet, because, like I said, we got a

462
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Speaker 3: small sample size. And to me, but two great players

463
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Speaker 3: like that, it's hard to judge a twenty five game run.

464
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Speaker 1: But they gave up a lot to get Yer run.

465
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Speaker 3: Too many pieces.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for guy especially, it was gonna be free agent, right,

467
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Speaker 1: And so to me, the fact that it didn't quite

468
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Speaker 1: work had more to do less to do with them

469
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Speaker 1: and more to do with the fact that, you know,

470
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Speaker 1: Drian Finney Smith gone like that. They just didn't have

471
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Speaker 1: the defense, you know, to be able to back those

472
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Speaker 1: guys up. That they didn't have the co entary pieces.

473
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Speaker 2: And if you're about to pay Kyrie more money and.

474
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Speaker 1: You still don't have that's going to make you even

475
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Speaker 1: more hamstrung and filling out that roster. That's what's complicated

476
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Speaker 1: about the situation Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

479
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Speaker 3: And then also too from a Lakers standpoint, how much

480
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Speaker 3: would you have to give up? Because that was the

481
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Speaker 3: one great move that Rob May was getting pieces that

482
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Speaker 3: you know, and and they all may not stay, but

483
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they want to keep at least two or

484
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Speaker 3: three of those guys. And that was what help them

485
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Speaker 3: with their run. They've made great moves trade deadline and

486
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Speaker 3: to bring pieces in that helped compliment Lebron and Ad.

487
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Speaker 3: So if you go back now and you're going to

488
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Speaker 3: go all in for Kyrie, you're not going to be

489
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Speaker 3: able to resign these guys and they're going to be

490
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Speaker 3: a top heavy team, same way Phoenix was. And with

491
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Speaker 3: Lebron being going into year twenty one and going on,

492
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Speaker 3: was he thirty eight or thirty nine in December? I

493
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Speaker 3: don't think that's a winning recipe. So again that there's

494
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Speaker 3: a reason why these management guys are paid a lot

495
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Speaker 3: of money and coaches are paid a lot of money

496
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Speaker 3: because there's going to be a lot of strategy that

497
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Speaker 3: goes in to this Summer'd.

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Speaker 1: Be very interested to see whether Kyrie ends up in Dallas,

499
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Speaker 1: how much money he can get them to commit, And frankly,

500
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Speaker 1: more than money to years, I think is the issue.

501
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Speaker 1: I mean, the backbreaker of a very broken relationship with

502
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn was that they weren't going to pay him max amount.

503
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Speaker 1: So you know, I do think that stuff's important to

504
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Speaker 1: him and Dallas is the place he can get the most,

505
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Speaker 1: But I just what kind of team is that going

506
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Speaker 1: to leave them with You do have to be concerned.

507
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Speaker 1: Luca's going to ask out if you completely, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: mangle the roster just to keep Kyrie.

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Speaker 3: So, like I said, it's Luca's team, Yeah, first and foremost,

510
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Speaker 3: and that's what they all due respect to Kyrie and

511
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Speaker 3: his talent, there's no question whose team that is. So,

512
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Speaker 3: like you said, is it going all in on Kyrie?

513
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Speaker 3: Is that going to rub? Is that even okay? With Luca?

514
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Speaker 3: Like we don't know. Luca doesn't speak much. I would

515
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Speaker 3: love to speak to him, but he doesn't speak much.

516
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Speaker 3: So like I said, I think everything has to go

517
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Speaker 3: through Luca as far as you know, catering to him because,

518
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Speaker 3: like you said, a wrong move here and there and

519
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Speaker 3: he can ask out, and you don't want to lose

520
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Speaker 3: a generational talent like Luca.

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Speaker 1: Amen. All right, Well, let's get to On the Radar

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Speaker 1: Finals Game three in Miami.

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Speaker 2: This surprised me.

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Speaker 1: Matt Nuggets, two and a half, paint favorites on the road.

526
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Speaker 1: Who do you like in Game three?

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Speaker 3: I like Denver, really like Denver again, love Spoe, but

528
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Speaker 3: I also really like Mike Malone, and in his understanding

529
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Speaker 3: of it's game by game, every game, he could could

530
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Speaker 3: be a completely different game plan. You know, I know

531
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Speaker 3: Murray wants to, you know, get another shot at bouncing back.

532
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Speaker 3: You're hoping that the role players are going to play better.

533
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Speaker 3: But again, I'm very confident, you know, I was. I

534
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Speaker 3: was looking at what Jimmy said after game one, how

535
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Speaker 3: the guys were still in good spirits and laughing and

536
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Speaker 3: joking the locker room, knowing that hey, we just need

537
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Speaker 3: four games, and they felt very confident. Confident is a

538
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Speaker 3: scary thing to play with, because if you get everybody confident,

539
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 3: that the underdog can always overtake anybody. But again, I

540
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Speaker 3: don't they got a great coach and Mike Malone, they

541
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Speaker 3: got you know, Yokichen. It's going to be on the

542
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Speaker 3: others and and I don't mean to put Murray in

543
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Speaker 3: others because he's great, but it's going to be the

544
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Speaker 3: other guys outside of Yokis that are gonna have to

545
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Speaker 3: step up. But I feel like they will. But you know,

546
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Speaker 3: this is going to be a back and forth series.

547
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Speaker 1: You know.

548
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Speaker 3: I initially I thought after the thumping, hey, this could

549
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Speaker 3: be a sweep. But then I quickly changed my tune,

550
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: and not because of the loss. I just had to think, like,

551
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: Spo has been amazing all season, so why is the

552
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: finals going to change? So I think it's gonna be

553
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Speaker 3: a great series, but I see I see Denver getting

554
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Speaker 3: Game three.

555
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Speaker 1: It's funny. I never thow I did think it had

556
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Speaker 1: the danger of going only five games, just because Denver

557
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: has been so consistent, and most of the opponents that

558
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: he had played in this run have been inconsistent for

559
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: various reasons. Right, I mean, honest gets hurt. That's not

560
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: Eyone's fault, but it does make that team inconsistent. Then

561
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Speaker 1: from there, Boston, we know I've been plagued by consistent

562
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Speaker 1: the most inconsistent postseason, Right, Denver's been so consistent. I

563
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Speaker 1: just didn't know if the heat we're going to have

564
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: lanes to kind of get into them with they're doing

565
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Speaker 1: their heat stuff. But we saw some of it in

566
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Speaker 1: the first couple of games. And Denver has not been

567
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Speaker 1: great on the road in this postseason, not been terrible,

568
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Speaker 1: but just not define as strong as they've been at home.

569
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like they're going to come

570
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Speaker 1: out of there with a split, but maybe not.

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Speaker 2: We'll we'll see.

572
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that you can bank on is obviously

574
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Speaker 3: it's the fine asn't Normally Miami would be a place

575
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Speaker 3: where you got to worry about guys, but Denver doesn't

576
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Speaker 3: seem like that kind of team. Just going to I think,

577
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Speaker 3: I think his brothers are going to be.

578
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Speaker 2: In there, but I.

579
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Speaker 1: Just not seeing his brothers. Please YouTube, because these guys

580
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Speaker 1: are bigger than him. He's like the little one, right.

581
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Speaker 1: One of them was a professional wrestler, and I don't

582
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Speaker 1: remember what the other one did professionally, but they're both.

583
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Speaker 1: They're both at games. They talk a ton of trash,

584
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Speaker 1: shitload of trash.

585
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Speaker 3: From the stands because it can nobody whoop him. I've

586
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Speaker 3: been talking that much too. If I knew that I

587
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Speaker 3: had a brother that was just as bad as me

588
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Speaker 3: and ready to throw them. We actually got a chance

589
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Speaker 3: not to kind of change something. So in Croatia, we

590
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Speaker 3: got a chance to sit down with Yokic's agent, Misko

591
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Speaker 3: I think that's his name. Yeah, And just the way

592
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Speaker 3: he discovered Yolkic was unbelievable. Literally found him in a

593
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Speaker 3: newspaper back to back weeks that no one was covering them,

594
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Speaker 3: no one was talking about him. He traveled out to

595
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Speaker 3: talk to his family and brought Yolkic under his umbrella,

596
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Speaker 3: and the rest is literally NBA history. So stay tuned

597
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Speaker 3: for that because I think that that was a really

598
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Speaker 3: interesting time to get out and sit down here with

599
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Speaker 3: him and kind of hear his philosophies and strategies on

600
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Speaker 3: how we found him and how he moved with his agency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some clips already out on Showtime YouTube. Oh

602
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Speaker 1: is that we're seeing? It's really really good. Yeah. I

603
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Speaker 1: was fascinated watching that with you guys, and look, it's

604
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Speaker 1: gonna be It is a great story about the way

605
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: the NBA works in general, because there's gonna be more

606
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Speaker 1: of those stories. Jimmy Butler in some ways is an

607
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: unexpected hero, and you've just got so many guys. You've

608
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: got those undrafted guys on Miami's team and I don't

609
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Speaker 1: know Caleb Martin, who people gave up on right like

610
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Speaker 1: a couple of seasons ago. I mean, I just think

611
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Speaker 1: that it's a great and you showed this so many

612
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Speaker 1: times in your career that will and tell it, you know,

613
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Speaker 1: over hype make absolutely a big.

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Speaker 3: Difference and there's a lot more money. Now, go get

615
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Speaker 3: that money, young fellas.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: What was Duncan Robinson's contract?

618
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Speaker 1: We were talking before we say it down.

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Speaker 3: Here's ninety million. It's a lot of money. So Struce

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Speaker 3: and Vincent and Caleb Martin go go get Okay, go

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Speaker 3: get that ship man.

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Speaker 1: Go get yourself. Some lots of coaching staffs being filled

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Speaker 1: out over the last couple of days. We had Sam

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Speaker 1: Cassell joining the Celtics bench, Steven Silas joined the Detroit

625
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Speaker 1: bench as an assistant. Biggest tier of the week, though,

626
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Speaker 1: was Frank Vogel as the head coach in Phoenix, which

627
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Speaker 1: came a bit out of nowhere just because he hadn't

628
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Speaker 1: been mentioned among the candidates as much, not out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere in terms of his qualifications.

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Speaker 2: Championship coach.

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Speaker 1: All your thoughts about that move.

632
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Speaker 3: I liked it, you know, there wasn't really much left

633
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Speaker 3: out there. And I say that without due respect, you know,

634
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Speaker 3: And to me, I think Volga got a bad rap.

635
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Speaker 3: You know. Obviously, coming to LA is a lot more

636
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Speaker 3: than basketball. Coaching Lebron is a lot more than basketball.

637
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Speaker 3: So to me, it's hard to really judge a coach

638
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: when he coaches Lebron because we all know the way

639
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: Lebron moves, and he should move how he does move.

640
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Speaker 3: I love the way Lebron moves, but sometimes I think,

641
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: you know, the coaches are the scapegoats. So I like

642
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Speaker 3: the hiring out there. But I also liked that they

643
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: brought Fizzdeal over Fizzdale. You know that they had to

644
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Speaker 3: pay him to get him out of his Utah management situation.

645
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Speaker 3: But you know, they still have some very solid pieces

646
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: of there and booking KD and they got to figure

647
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Speaker 3: out what they're going to do with Aiden. You know,

648
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: see what you know, how much juice is left in

649
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Speaker 3: Chris Paul's old legs. Still my guy, But yeah, I

650
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Speaker 3: like the Vogel move. I like the bringing on Fizzdale. So,

651
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of shake up this offseason just

652
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: from the coaching. So I can't wait till players start moving.

653
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, fizz is such a like player whisperer. Absolutely,

654
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: I assume that that's part of what made him appealing.

655
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: There is just kind of helping that cohesiveness. I think

656
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: he and Kevin Durant are going to do very well together.

657
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: He and book are going to do very well together.

658
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: And Vogel. I'm interested in me. He's got a real

659
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: history with Big Man.

660
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: So I'm very curious to see whether this means do

661
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: they keep Deandrayton. You know, I assume he certainly came

662
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: in with a plan. I assume he went into those

663
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: interviews saying, hey, if you keep him, here's what I

664
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: would do with him, right, And I assume that was

665
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: part of what made him.

666
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: So I just hope that that aiden because he is

667
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: so talented that he has someone just sit his ass

668
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: down this summer, whether it's our brother Kevin Garnett going

669
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: out to Phoenix and sitting down with them for a week.

670
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: But I just think he needs someone that he respects,

671
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: or if there is anyone out there that he can listen,

672
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: because he is so talented and he can bring so

673
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: much to the table for that team, but it's just

674
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: between the ears with them, and it's always been between

675
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: the ears with that guy. So you know, you think

676
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: that you know, you went to Arizona and then your

677
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: Phoenix and you get paid a bunch of money. Sometimes

678
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: you do need a change of settings. But if they

679
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: can salvage him, I just think he's such a talented

680
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: big if if anyone is able to get through to him,

681
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: maybe it's Kevin Durant, because not to cut you off,

682
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: I remember he spoke on how great Kevin Durant has

683
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: been for him off the court and kind of talking

684
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: to him. So if he can sit down and sew

685
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: because Kevin Durant doesn't talk a time where he talks

686
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: on his little show now, but his basketball mind is incredible.

687
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: He's such a student of the game. And I really

688
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: think that if Aiden would listen to KD and follow

689
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Katie's lead, he could be a huge, huge part for

690
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: the Suns team.

691
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can never quite figure out what it

692
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: is Mayden, because if you sit and talk to him,

693
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: he does not have a bad attitude. This is not

694
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: a guy who, like you know, is sullen. He's not entitled,

695
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: he's not you know. He likes being friendly with his teammates.

696
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: He was so excited when Katie would spend time with him.

697
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: He thought it was like the most exciting best thing ever.

698
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Was like, oh my god, he stayed up with me

699
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: all night and talk to me, and it was just like, hey,

700
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: he's your teammate and you guys are on a long

701
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: road trip and to him.

702
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: It was so exciting. So there's a disconnect somewhere.

703
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: Clearly it might have been my Money, you know, you

704
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It was well doted, committed that

705
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: they didn't get along, and I was the biggest firing

706
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: surprise to me was Money. Yeah, you mean to think

707
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: that what he's able to do as that team in

708
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: a small window time is winning percentages? How much winning?

709
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: So to me, when I first fired Money, I'm like, Okay,

710
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: well then they still want to keep Aiden, So I

711
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: find it hard hard to believe that they would let

712
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: go of Moni and Aiden in the same summer. So,

713
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: like you said, it was a disconnect somewhere. If it's

714
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: Monnie Williams, it's Monty Williams. And then they decided to

715
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: keep their investment in aid. And so again just if

716
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: it's KD or Book or you know, a handful of them,

717
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: just being able to get through to him, because I

718
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: get this kid has so much talent and can really

719
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: help this team.

720
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And look, by the way, thrilled that

721
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: Monic got the bag o Corig, because I think he

722
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: was scapegoated a bit in Phoenix. You trade again, So

723
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like Dallas. You trade a chunk of

724
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: your team for Kevin Durant and then you're surprised that

725
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you don't have the bodies to go at it and

726
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You're just like, come on, that's not the

727
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: coach's fault. But I was like, man, he got paid

728
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: into trade.

729
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: That's going to help guys like Spoe and Steve Kerr

730
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: and some of these guys. The contracts that are coming up,

731
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: twenty million is is the number now for the top

732
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: going coaches. So that's gonna be dope, dude.

733
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they work.

734
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: So you know how much coaches work. They work to

735
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: so many hours. And you're talking about Duncan Robinson with

736
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: his five years ninety million, So you know, there you go,

737
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: who who's as important as any one player to a

738
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: team is the right coach? So I don't know. Do

739
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: you think Sam Cassel joining the Celtics means that Doc

740
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: Rivers won't be working this season because Sam normally goes River.

741
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: Doc goes I think so. I think so. And we

742
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: may have seen the last of Doc. You know, we

743
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: may have seen the last of Doctor's. You know, me

744
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: and I like Doc as a person, but I think

745
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: the glaring weakness with Doc has been his in game adjustments.

746
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: And we've been raving about Spoe and Mike Malone and

747
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: that how important in game adjustments are, and that's kind

748
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: of to me. Doc is a very strong coach, great motivator,

749
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: can make you believe, you know, the ocean is purple,

750
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: and have you ready to run through a wall with

751
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: his fucking gladiator speeches. But what I saw as a player,

752
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: and what other guys have talked about is just kind

753
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: of his adjustments. So again, I think, you know, obviously

754
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: going to Boston is similar to Fizdale going to Phoenix.

755
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: A great guy that is able to communicate and be

756
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: a bridge between the head coach and the players. So

757
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: I definitely like that pick up because you know, Emy

758
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: was hand picking those boss and assistants and bringing them

759
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: out to Houston, So I think Sam was a good

760
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: pickup for that staff.

761
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: What strikes me about Doc is that he went from

762
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: one team to another team that both had a lot

763
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: of behind the scenes situations going on, and I think

764
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot about what was going on in Philly

765
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: these past three years that we don't know ton, and

766
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: so I'm not really ready to make an assessment on

767
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: on sort of oh, did he do a good enough

768
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: job or not? And again I just keep saying, if

769
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum didn't hit what one or two less threes

770
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: at the end of game six playing, he'd be in

771
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference, you know, they'd be in the Eastern

772
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Conference finals at least, and like he would still probably.

773
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: Be in that job.

774
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: Kind of like rap Polinka, Right, you make it to

775
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: the conference finals, you're going to keep your job.

776
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: So I just I don't know.

777
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: I think Doc is the kind of guy I wouldn't

778
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: be surprised if he took a year off and then

779
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: shame that.

780
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: A great great talker, great motivator, great person. Yeah again,

781
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: I just as a player, I've seen it. I've heard

782
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: I've heard other players talk about it. That to me

783
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: that if there's any not even saying bad, if there's

784
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: one weakness Doc has, it's just those in game adjustments,

785
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: and those are so huge these days, it's always a huge,

786
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: but up late it's really steaded out.

787
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Take your off and watch TV and be on TV

788
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: and see hit the golf, do so much golf. But

789
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: maybe you know, make those adjustments from your couch and

790
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: get better at it.

791
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: Before I let you go.

792
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: I this just caught my eye and I had to

793
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: ask you about it. Jared Jackson Junior was on Paul

794
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: George's podcast again NBA fans, You're so lucky. You're getting

795
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: all this shit.

796
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: All this content, all of it.

797
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: He said that Steven Adams, when Paul and Steven Adams

798
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: were playing together in Oklahoma City and remember now Steven

799
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Adams is playing with Jaron Jackson Junior in Memphis. He

800
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: said that Stephen tried to scratch his face so hard

801
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: that he would bleed.

802
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: And he was like, Stephen, what are you doing? Why

803
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: are you scratching your face so hard? And he goes, mate,

804
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get us more time. We need

805
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: to tuddle.

806
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: We don't have any.

807
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: Timeouts left, so he was trying to I didn't see it,

808
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: but I've kind of saw. So he was trying to

809
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: scratch his else so that they could get like a stoppage.

810
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know you can't have blood on the court, right,

811
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: and that's Johnson. So so that's what Steven Anders was doing.

812
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: And of course it made me think of what we

813
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: have seen other players.

814
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: And coaches do to try to get that extra time.

815
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: Out. They don't have Jason Kidd spilled bottle, a spilled drink,

816
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: Paul kg.

817
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: Bump into me.

818
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: So what's the strangest thing a teammader coach has done

819
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: of that nature, Because you've played with everyone.

820
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: Forever, I don't nothing comes to mind. Honestly, I was

821
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: trying to delay it or change it. I don't have

822
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: a good story. I mean, I remember the one time

823
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: the game was delayed was when I was playing for

824
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: the Kings early in my career and there's a mouse

825
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: mouse at the palace, and literally while I was in

826
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: Sacramento with Web and Bibbie and all these guys, and

827
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: I remember, like, they're in the Eastern Conference game, so

828
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: literally someone turned the TV on and we were late

829
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: coming back out to the court to start the second

830
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: half because we were all watching.

831
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Are you serious what.

832
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: Was going on? Yeah, we're all to what was going on?

833
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: We didn't know that with Stack and and and his

834
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: guys and Ben Wallace and Ron. So yeah, that was

835
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: the one. I mean, that's the only thing that comes

836
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: to mind of like stopping play or not starting play

837
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: on time. But as far as a player or a

838
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: coach doing some stick shit, I don't have nothing else.

839
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.

840
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: I mean the game wasn't going on, no, but literally.

841
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: Like literally they like we were late to come out

842
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: to start the second half because we were all watching

843
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: the Malice in the Palace.

844
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: That's bonkers. I didn't realize that's see. There you go.

845
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: All right, next week, we'll have more NBA Finals this

846
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: because we know we're going to at least five games,

847
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: So stay tuned. What's Burning available every week on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram,

848
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: and TikTok. This man is going to get some very

849
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 1: well deserved sleep.

850
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go golf first.

851
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: Are you serious.

852
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm just going to try to burn it on both ends. Damn,

853
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: I grew up my baby. If I don't come home,

854
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: I'm a sleep my golf cart, So come find me,

855
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 3: see yah,