WEBVTT - Part Two: How Eliza Fraser Survived a Shipwreck and Sparked a Genocide 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:09.280 Oh holy do it's Behind the Bastards a podcast where 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.879 I finally learned how to open my podcast. I think 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:13.640 we figured it out. I think we get it locked down. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.160 Oh who do we do as a keeper? 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.160 That's a keeper, that's a keeper. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:22.920 I think yesterday was Duberger. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.800 That that that one was. That one was a fuck up. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.120 It was a disaster, not calamity. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.680 I just think it would be hard to remember to 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.560 how to do it. And again, you're doing. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:39.880 Great, Yeah, because I have to get every syllable right, obviously, Yeah, 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.160 yea do much easier, easy to remember. I can see 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.880 it on T shirts. People are going to be getting 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.320 tattoos of this in like a month. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.640 Sounds like something you would say if like a fancy 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.600 person corrects you. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:01:01.280 Yeah, now speak of things that are going to be 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.080 on T shirts in a month. Look, I don't know 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:06.800 how that actually leads us into part two. When we 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:11.600 ended part one, Eliza Fraser and her husband were taken there. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.280 I have no I don't know, Sophie. I just I 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.280 just transitioned sometimes when I'm speaking, and it just usually 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.000 doesn't work very well. We mostly edit in the ones 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.520 where it did. But that one was a failure. You know, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.160 I could admit that Jamie. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.360 Did send me that send me that picture of the 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.119 two of us when we did that one live show 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.640 when we wore each other's shirts with each other's faces 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.800 on it and didn't acknowledge it. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.560 Yeah, that was good. That was a good move. But 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.640 you know, it's a visual joke. I tried to do 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.479 too many of those because most people listen to the podcast. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.119 Well, who do he do? Look, who's a professional podcast? 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.120 All a sudden, that says the guy you hired me 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:49.960 to do podcast? 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:52.760 All right? 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:58.520 Now, speaking of getting hired, Eliza Fraser has kind of 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.400 gotten a job, which is trying not to die while 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.560 living as part of a civilization that survives off the land, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.760 a thing that she doesn't know how to do, and 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:08.600 it's not going well. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.240 She doesn't understand and they don't understand her. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.359 Right that no one speaks to each other's language, right, right, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.200 it's not going great. So we should probably peel back 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.560 a bit more to talk about the Bachilla's contacts with 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.560 European civilization outside of Captain Cook and the odd Ausy 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.639 prison escapee. Right, we talked about that last time, their 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.400 first contact. The fact that these prisoners have been like 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.920 coming in like individually for a while and getting adopted 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.720 too often. When we discussed kind of the ethnographies of 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.520 indigenous people being colonized, we sort of dropped like, here's 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.720 what they believed about the world pre contact, and then 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.720 we kind of leave it at that. But again, these 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 are not static civilizations, right, no more than you know 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.440 the Europeans themselves were, and they adapted their beliefs many 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.959 times in light of new knowledge about how the world worked. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.640 As I noted in the last episodes, the natives of 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.120 what was at that point known to the Europeans as 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.080 Indian Head Island and was called Gari by the people 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.799 then and now, they interpreted their first sights of white 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.639 people to be spirits returning from the dead. But whiteness 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.000 symbolized death in every way, right, and so they didn't 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.280 just respond to white people as if they were returning 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.280 deceased relatives. Sometimes that would happen. You'd meet someone in 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.680 like a member of the tribe, would get good vibes 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.320 from them. Basically it'd be like, oh, you know what, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.880 I think, that's like my dad or whatever, you know, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.560 my kid or something like that who died recently, But 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.520 that is not the only way they reacted. Death was 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.960 always involved in their reaction, but it wasn't always like, oh, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.880 this must be a member of the tribe returned. As 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.000 doctor Peter Lower wrote, their whiteness was symbolic of death, mourning, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.200 and apprehension, and so sometimes people were like, oh, no, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.600 it's a bad omen that there's white people here, right, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.080 because that means like the dead, or like it's this 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.280 is this is a dark thing that's happened. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:53.560 Yeah. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.400 It was always my interpretation, and it's why I'm always 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.760 so nervous right in America. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.120 Yes, yeah, yeah, it's really terrible place for you to live. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.559 Like, ooh, I feel like the vibes are off everywhere. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.320 Looking in the mirror. Oh no, the go dear God, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.600 it's me in August of seventeen. I mean, looking in 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.080 the mirror does make you think of your own mortality sometimes. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.200 But in August of seventeen ninety nine, which is about 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.040 thirty years after Captain Cook's voyage, an English boat called 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.599 the Norfolk put ashore on the Great Sandy Island. Captain 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.200 Matthew Flinders went ashore with a party of men to 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.960 find water and food near a place called Wootomba Creek. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.960 As was usually the case, Flinders was mixed up and 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.680 believed he'd found Australia and the Highland was just a promontory. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.960 That's constantly they have no idea where they are. These 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.880 people the maps are shit, they're bad at reading them. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.680 They're all drunk. Now they're not just drunk, they're heavily armed. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.760 And while it's a lot of fun to be heavily 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.680 armed and drunk, it's also very dangerous for the people 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.800 around you. And Flinders and his crew were part of 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.400 like the shoot first and never asked questions ever, like 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.560 school of being a colonizer who's drunkenly landed on an island. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.440 And so when like a group of Nogoulungbara tribes people 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.320 who's like I think they with the people who live 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.840 in the south of Ghari Island, they like come up 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.680 to see these new people have landed, and they do 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.480 what normally happens, like okay, well let's go look at this, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.840 and Flinders and his crew just start shooting, like they 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.320 just they just start blasting immediately right, They like fire 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.960 a cannon at the tribe for no apparent reason, and 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.359 the tribe runs away, which is a reasonable thing to 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.520 do when someone shoots at you. Now, this we don't 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.679 know if this was, you know, anyone on the island's 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.840 first experience with gunfire, but it's the first recorded one 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.159 we have, And we have a record of this from 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.720 one of their songs, which roughly translated states that one 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.240 of the white men quote two times, held up something 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.640 and made loud noise and smoke Kong kong. I think 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.280 that's how they onum on a pia the sound of gunfire, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.640 which is you know, not bad perfectly. Yeah. So one 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.680 thing that's so interesting to me about this story is 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.479 that it's a really good example again of how much 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.560 accurate historical information can be passed down through the centuries 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.600 in an oral tradition like this. Because the captain's men 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.479 also reported firing twice. So you have both this song 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.960 and like documentation from the sailors that they shot twice. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.200 I find them down across history, totally unrelated from one another. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.880 It's so interesting, yeah, because usually when you're like, well, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.599 these people have an oral tradition of storytelling, it's discussed 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.080 as like storytelling, it's like myth, but like, no, this 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.120 is no this is not really necessarily less accurate than 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.680 like a fucking newspaper in London at the time, right, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.760 which is also a lot of times wrong or filled 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.040 with lies, right like. And I'm not saying the songs 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.360 are all like the songs. Clearly, this is people recording 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.279 their history. So people always have an agenda when recording 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.880 their history. But it's also a lot of very very 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.640 accurate grain gets through in the history as a result 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.919 of this, these oral these songs, which I think is 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:55.799 really interesting. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.280 I mean, we made up Paul Revere just because of 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:04.159 name rhymed right right. Song is not always the our 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.279 best way of recording things, right, So it's kind of 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.240 impressive that they're getting the right number of shots down 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:09.720 through tons. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.240 It's often very good and so that's all I'm saying. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.520 It's not that like you shouldn't view you know, these 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.880 oral like stories that the people on Ghari are surely 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.760 is like one hundred percent you know, accurate history all 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.920 the time, but you shouldn't view it as just like mythology, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.880 right right. This is an attempt at recording history, and 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.640 like all attempts, like herodotus, it's not perfect, but you 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.560 shouldn't see it as like less accurate than herodotus, right. 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.880 And the term for this mix of singing and dancing 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.160 and storytelling to preserve history among the people of Ghari 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.920 Island is called a corroboree. That's the term I found 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.520 for it. So yeah, After one of Flinder's men fired 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.760 upon the Nagoulungbara, Peter Lower writes, one of their number, women, Gala, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.280 who hid in the nearby bushes, watched the whites collecting 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.760 water and killing some wild fowl with their terrible weapons 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.360 returning to the ship. Their heads are like Dingo's tails, 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.840 the corroboree continued, impossible reference to the sailor's plaited hair 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.200 or the kerchiefs they wore as head covering like the 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.400 ceremonial Dingo tail headbands of the adult males of the tribe. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.600 The paddles are woods or like wood shaped by the fire. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.520 They're ongoing attempt by the Aboriginal people to relate the 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.080 inexplicable to what could be culturally comprehended is thus most 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.280 apparent in these careful observations. And again like yeah, you 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.440 get like these recordings of how they looked, and they're 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.080 trying to kind of comparing their appearance to like their 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.400 own appearance, right. Like, it's this really the amount of 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.480 like fidelity you get in this attempt of one culture 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.080 to comprehend another in some ways, in a lot of ways, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.560 much better than the European accounts of the same thing 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:44.960 I find really interesting. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.880 Yeah, the European account being like they're basically animals. Now 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.480 you tried to like shoot at them where they ran 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:52.480 away like animals. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.040 The Nagoulambara are trying to kind of do their own anthropology. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.000 They're trying to get in these people's heads to understand 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.800 like why are you doing what you're doing? What are right? Which, yeah, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:06.520 it's just really interesting to me. So Flinders returned to 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.360 the island in eighteen o two, which is three years later, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.520 with a party of scientists to collect plants, and an 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.959 aboriginal person from the mainland named Bongaree like was brought 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.720 with them. So they take this indigenous person from like 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.320 the mainland with them because he can probably talk to 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.160 these guys, and they manage to make some sort of 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.920 friendly contact with the Nagoulungbara, who are understandably nervous because 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.800 the last time they saw this guy he shot at 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.480 them and they could see guns like in the hands 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.920 of men on the island and know what they mean. Now, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.240 Flinders tried to bribe them with an offering of blubber 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.000 from porpoises, and he's like, well, this is a valuable 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.240 gift by my standards, because like animal fat is useful 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.400 for cooking. But the islanders didn't hunter kill porpoise because 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.040 they to them, the porpoise drive the mullet and whiting 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.480 fish into their nets, so they see them as allies, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.760 like we work with the Porpoise's really fucked up for 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.000 you to kill them. They're like our friends who help 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.800 us get food. Why did you murder one? 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.080 They're like the fish shepherd, Yeah, he just killed him. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:09.720 Yeah, but he's useful. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.280 Hey, we killed your friend. Do you want some of this? 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.200 Do you want some of the stuff in their body? Man? 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.600 Why don't these people like this stuff? 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:16.840 Yeah? 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.880 It's it's yeah anyway, So for the next about that's 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.240 like kind of the last well documented contact between the 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.079 Europeans and people on the island for like thirty years 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.880 or so, right, even though there's some ships that semi 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.079 regularly stop and obviously some convicts who find their way. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.839 This is like when Eliza Fraser lands, they're like last contacts, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.160 detailed contacts with Europeans that they had stories of were like, yeah, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.280 they tried to kill us and then they killed one 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.959 of our friends. So it's kind of amazing that they 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.000 treat her and her fellow shipmates so well given that history. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.680 And it's kind of a less of the white Gods 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.120 descended from the sea and more of a these assholes again, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.800 yeah type situation. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.439 And it you know, this is something I don't think 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.000 we have perfect texture on, but it does kind of 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.920 seem like by the time they take her in, they 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:05.720 have moved on to like, yeah, these probably aren't the 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.360 dead return. These are like some kind of assholes, some 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.440 species of assholes, specific assholes they're clearly willing to be like, 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.800 but maybe not all of them suck. Well, we'll try 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.120 to stop these people from dying, right, So again, we'll 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.200 discuss further how Eliza described them as cruel and vicious, 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.120 But it is also important to note that other survivors 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.520 of this shipwreck talk very differently about this people. Robert 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.440 Darje is often considered the most dependable and reliable source 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.880 of first hand accounts from the Sterling Castle survivors, and 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.559 he described the locals as treating them very hard and stated, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.359 we had to work severely to get fish in kangaroos. 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.000 But it's also clear he understood that this hardness was 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.679 a product of the difficulty of survival on the island, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.320 and added, I cannot call them a cruel people. So like, yeah, 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.839 they we had to work. It's difficult, but like they 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.400 weren't mean this is just the only way to live there. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.880 Fucking doarj Dargy, great last name. It does sound like 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:10.520 somebody I used to get ship faced with. Yeah, Dargy Dargy. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.040 You might compare Eliza's situation in this to like a 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.920 post apocalyptic story where some Instagram influencer flees the city 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.400 and finds refuge in an off grid farm and they're 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.640 like taken care of, but like they have to learn 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.600 how to work, right. It's it is kind of like 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.320 this that sort of situation. Right, This is like a 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.320 middle class person who's now having to learn how to 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.120 live off the land, and she seems to have taken 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.320 grave offens to this. Peter Lower notes in his excellent 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.800 History of the Island. It was later reported that Missus 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.679 Fraser was compelled to dragon wood for the fires and 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.239 fetch water with as much cruelty as the Gins themselves. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.920 This is from like a piece of reporting at the 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:53.600 time that's obviously a on the like on the slur spectrum. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.600 Right Gins themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that seems bad. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.520 Yeah, And as she herself claim, she was constantly beaten 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.720 when incapable of carrying the heavy loads they put upon me. Now, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.200 Lauer does go into some detail about how hideously traumatic 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.640 the crew's experiences before this had been, and when they 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.199 came upon the Bachola it was late winter, the most 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.320 meager season of the year, which means that not only 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.560 were Eliza and Ufellow's starving, but everyone kind of was. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.520 The shipwrecked survivors had gone through a shipwreck, so they 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.200 were ill. They're not good for a lot of work initially, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.760 which means they're being supported by the resources of people 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:32.160 who are hungry themselves. When interviewed later, surviving Islanders described 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.280 the shipwreck survivors as being incapable of foraging, quote at 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.760 which even small children were expert. So like, even our 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.200 little kids are better at living than you, guys, Like, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.480 what the fuck is wrong with you? And their incompetence 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.240 was galling enough that it may have provoked VI. 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.000 She just would have been so easy for them to 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.839 if they were even to die, if they were as 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:55.360 cruel as like any aspect of this universe asks us 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.560 to believe, it would have been so easy for them 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.520 to just kill them like they they are not useful 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:00.960 to them. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.120 You know, they're not helping, they're not making anyone's life 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:11.480 better right now. Robert Darje also came to expect uh yeah, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.000 And this is what I find Diars interesting because like 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.240 he's not like sugarcoating the situation. He's like, you know, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.040 I did face hostility from some of them. Some of 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.920 them even like tried to do violence to me, and 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.200 I think it was because the last time they met 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.360 Europeans they'd been shot. Quote. I believe that the reason 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.600 some had such a hatred of me was that soldiers 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.120 had wounded them. I observed lost his leg had a 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.280 desperate hatred of me, and he tried to kill me 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:38.400 three or four times. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:43.800 Yeah, man, the guy a leg off. But the guy, yeah. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.920 Did they were they armed at this point? 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.600 Yes? They still they have some sort of arms. It's 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.840 unclear to me how well they're able to use them. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.560 There are reports that they had guns, but obviously I 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.280 don't know how much powder they got away with. I 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.040 don't know how damaged the weapons were by the water 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.160 and the shipwreck, so they may not have been and 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.200 super usable, right, got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.280 interesting to me that, like again, like these shipwrecks also 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.840 are not a monolith. You know, you've got Eliza who's 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.480 gonna tell these fucked up stories, and you got Dars. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.360 She's like, yeah, this guy tried to kill me, but 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.520 he had his leg blown off by a cannon, So 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.280 like I get it, you know, like, yeah, I'd probably 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:20.840 be pretty pissed for. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.880 Literally no reason. Like they were doing our favorite pastime 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.920 at that time, which was watching a ship come in 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:31.600 and like what's happening those basically the movies back then. Yeah, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.840 we'dn't go down to the dock and wave at a ship. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.480 Yeah, people shot them. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.280 Yeah, and they had shot with a fucking can Jesus. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.160 And so that's probably when we talk about like some 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.040 people were like would have been violent when these folks 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.360 like failed to do their choice. Well, maybe some of 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.760 the reason why they were forceful is that they'd had 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.120 friends and family killed or been injured themselves by European guns, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:56.720 you know, not the craziest scenario wild take. Yeah, So 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.120 you know, there's some other things happening here. There's all 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.720 this kind of lingering belief that these people have something 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.080 to do with return to spirits, and like when someone dies, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.000 you burn their shelter because it's bad luck to have 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.200 the shelter around the spirit might get stuck there. And 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.440 so there was this attitude that like, well, they don't 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.160 need to sleep indoors, right, which is bad for them, 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.280 you know, like it doesn't make this any more comfortable, sure, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.840 but they're not trying to be assholes by doing that. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.800 Probably the kind of darkest matter of conflict here is 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.000 the matter of what happened to Captain Fraser. We don't 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.520 know exactly, but Eliza's husband was killed or died soon 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.840 after they were taken in by the tribe. Eliza would 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.120 later claim that about after about five weeks with the Bachola, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.760 she saw her husband trying and failing to drag a 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.440 log for like the fire, and he was in bad 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.000 health and not able to do this very well. And 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.280 as she described it, a hunting party returned home empty handed. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.680 And for some reason one of the men stabbed Captain 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:55.800 Fraser in the chest. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:56.600 Quote. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.000 I was horrified to see it emerge several inches through 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:00.920 his chest. I pulled this fear from his body and 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.440 from his mouth. An immense quantity of blood spouted, and 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.320 he died. She furthermore claimed that after this two other 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:12.320 survivors were tied to stakes and executed by sun exposure. Confusingly, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.159 she also claims that several crewmen who escaped were burnt, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.080 but others were taken to the mainland. There is no 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.840 evidence of this but her account, and in fact, there 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.200 is no evidence that any survivors of the shipwreck died 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.600 on Fraser Island at all. The chief officer, Charles Brown, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.560 who Eliza claims was burnt at the stake, died on 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.920 the Australian mainland. Her husband died at Lake Cutharaba, which 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.399 is also on the mainland, and he was in fact 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.040 stabbed with a spear at some point, although this did 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.560 not kill him immediately like she claimed. Instead, it seems 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.200 like what happened is like someone slapped him in annoyance 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.879 with a spear which caused like a superficial wound, but 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.760 he was sick and it got infected, and so two 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.800 weeks later he dies as a result of the injury, right, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.520 which is a very different story on the mainland. Yeah, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.240 on the mainland. Also because they take them to the mainland. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:07.960 He was so annoying that somebody spar spear slapped him. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:08.600 Yeah, to death. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:10.960 That's kind of what it sounds like. We don't know, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.280 because again she lies about all this, Like she says 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.400 it happens on the island. They are taken off the island, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.640 like by the Butchola. It doesn't happen there. The guy 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.440 she claims is burnt to death definitely isn't burnt to death, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.639 And her husband isn't just like impaled and bleeds to 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.080 death immediately, like he suffers a light wound that gets 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.960 infected and he dies two weeks later. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.200 This is a big episode for the women. Lie guys, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:40.879 Yeah maybe, I mean I didn't trust her from the beginning. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:46.240 Okay, speaking of lies, that's kind of what advertisements are. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.679 Sure, beautiful lies. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:55.119 Yeah, beautiful lies. Believe them, just like Australian people believed Eliza. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:04.520 Ah ah, and we are back. So in all, Eliza 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.800 spent about three months with the Batchola and By the 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.760 time she was rescued by her fellow Europeans, she'd been 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.000 moved to the mainland. Her rescue was affected largely thanks 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.760 to an Irish convict named John Graham, who's another one 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.919 of these really cool guys you hear about in this 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.800 story that I want more about. Yeah, he had previously 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.320 wound up on Fraser Island, so he was he was 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.520 a convict who had like escaped to Fraser Island and 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.120 he had been taken in by locals who adopted him 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.440 as Moilo, the spirit of an elder who had died recently, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.600 And he basically been taken in by the old man's 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.880 wife and sons and spent six years living as part 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.640 of the family and then headed back to the mainland. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.400 What is happening in this? 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.960 In this, I mean people could just do stuff back then, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.439 Like there was it was really easy to die doing stuff, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.320 but you had a lot of options for you know what, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.720 I'm going to live a completely different kind of life 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.119 now for like six years. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.479 Bye, I'm still stuck on you're annoying. I'm gonna spear 0:19:59.520 --> 0:19:59.720 you in. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.280 The I have definitely met some people that had I 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.360 had a spear in hand. I would have slapped them 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:09.040 with it. Now, thankfully, we have modern methods of cleaning 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.200 spear wounds here, so every time I've done that, I've 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.080