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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Elizabeth Dunt.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you, my friend. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: So you want to know if I know what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you, do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I know it's ridiculous. I knew that you would know

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Speaker 3: what dependable that way. Air fresheners in cars, I think

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Speaker 3: to excess are completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And quite offensive.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go out on a limb and say

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Speaker 3: at all I don't like any air freshener in a car. Ah, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just rolled down the windows and it's so bad,

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Speaker 3: and then clean the car if it's so bad.

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Speaker 2: Although, have you ever smelled that new car scent that

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Speaker 2: they spray in It smells like new car scent.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy rolling down the windows and getting rid of

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Speaker 3: that new car set. I just wanted to smell like nothing.

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Speaker 2: I was just impressed with with what New Jersey could do.

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Speaker 3: That is pretty impressive. So you've gotten into a car

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Speaker 3: where it's like oppressive. Yes, the air fresheners, Yes, sometimes

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Speaker 3: it is dangling from the rear view. There are all

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Speaker 3: these companies that make like fancy ones now, like they

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Speaker 3: have the fabreeze that you stick in the events. I

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Speaker 3: got into an uber not too long ago where every

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Speaker 3: event had.

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Speaker 2: Like two oh wow, yes I have seen that.

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Speaker 3: It was like how many fish have you got? Have

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Speaker 3: you got it in this car that you're trying to cover?

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Speaker 3: But they have like you know, wooden ones and things

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Speaker 3: that dangle and decorative, yeah, and so carved. If you

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Speaker 3: were going to use one, what what would you want

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Speaker 3: your car to smell like? Your car could smell like anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this will sound gross to you, but probably the

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Speaker 2: Pacific Ocean, the beach that smell of like seaweed, salt water.

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Speaker 2: It's not a pleasant smell, but I would like that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just like you know, the drying seaweed is it has

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Speaker 2: to be there, sure, but that's what gives it the

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Speaker 2: real like the base now the bottom exactly, and then

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Speaker 2: wafting above that are all the various salt water spray

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Speaker 2: and and they you know, maybe like the hint of

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Speaker 2: like I don't know, bird poop whatever it is that

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Speaker 2: also is in the air.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I thank you for asking. Oh right, yes,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: scents is like citrus blossom, like a lime.

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Speaker 2: Blossh yeah, you do like lime bloss.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing. I don't want my car to smell

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Speaker 3: like you know where I'm going with it.

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Speaker 2: No, I do not, No, I do not pretending I do.

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Speaker 3: Not something too small weet, like for example, Cadbury mini eggs.

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Speaker 3: What the hell like chocolate? Those Easter eggs. Anyway, there's

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Speaker 3: a company in the UK Carfume. They do these air

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Speaker 3: freshener things and they you know whatever, they parfume, Carfume.

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Speaker 3: They have many scents there, you know, sustainable mood enhancing

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Speaker 3: back seat Yeah, sure, like under boob one of them.

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Speaker 3: And so No, they have many chalk eggs not c

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Speaker 3: H A l K, but c H O C like chocolate.

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Speaker 3: You can you can buy for eight hounds ninety five.

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Speaker 3: You can buy the carfume, which is like a weird

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Speaker 3: dangling wooden thing, and then you can give me it

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Speaker 3: refills the drops for almost ten quid. You can bundle

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Speaker 3: it for cream eggs, no, like the little the little

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Speaker 3: ones that look like speckled eggs, not the cream eggs

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Speaker 3: like the little hardshell sure, yeah, and they have that

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Speaker 3: very particular sweet chocolate with like candy, and.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do it on purpose. Yes, why am I asking.

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Speaker 3: For the rest of days? Yeah? So that's ridiculous. And

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Speaker 3: that came to us from Jimmy Dunn Man listener who

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Speaker 3: got to us through Instagram. Thanks Jimmy, so thank you Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: There you go. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous certified. Now do you I got a

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Speaker 2: callback for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Do you know you remember how I told you the

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Speaker 2: story of Frank als friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the name sounds familiar.

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Speaker 2: Flying bank robber.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he just kept stealing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he kept he escaped prison, he kept stealing planes

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Speaker 2: all around America and Canada, and then he kept robbing

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Speaker 2: a cow on a runway in Mexico and that ended

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Speaker 2: his life as a bank robber. Baltimore, Yes, the Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: He was at a boarding house or.

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Speaker 2: Something, Yes, exactly. Good man was there, you were there,

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Speaker 2: You're you feel it? Now? Do you also remember how

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Speaker 2: I said that cat's his criminal nickname. It shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: been the flying bank robber. That's too many syllables. It

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Speaker 2: should have been the flying bandit boom right pop now

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Speaker 2: It turns out someone already had used that g norm

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Speaker 2: to crime. That nickname was taken Elizabeth two years earlier.

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Speaker 3: Oh so that's why he didn't get called the Flying Bandit.

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Speaker 2: By a Canadian. Oh I know you never see that.

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Speaker 2: So today I have for you the story of Ken Leishman,

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Speaker 2: known as the Flying Bandit. This is Ridiculous Crime, a

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Speaker 2: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's

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Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Elizabeth, darn.

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Speaker 2: My dude, Ken Leishman, right, folk hero of Canada. I'd

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Speaker 2: never heard of this cat. It just happened. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I was like, is there a flying Bandit? Why was

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Speaker 2: it that name taking boom. Turns out there was this guy,

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Speaker 2: Robinhood of the Great White North right now in his heyday.

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Speaker 2: What turns out one to be one of our favorite times.

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Speaker 2: He was a mid century bandit, mid century of the

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Speaker 2: last century. Now dude was born June twentieth, nineteen thirty one.

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Speaker 2: He gets popped out in this town called Holland in Manitoba,

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Speaker 2: enters life. Unfortunately, as we constantly kind of point out

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Speaker 2: for people in the mid century, born into the depression,

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Speaker 2: so oftentimes their childhoods are rough, right, His definitely, he

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Speaker 2: was basically born into a storm of unceasing winds. It's

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Speaker 2: just he gets blown from home to home, wind whipped

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Speaker 2: through foster care, pulled from one home because of excessive abuse.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear, Yeah, his childhood far from idyllic, right you too?

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Speaker 2: Like the anti beaver Cleaver. Now, somehow though throughout this,

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Speaker 2: this childhood of chaotic upbringing and so forth, by all accounts,

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Speaker 2: he emerges this handsome, charming, sometimes called dashing, well dressed,

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Speaker 2: abundantly stylish young man. Amazing resilience this kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the stylish part particularly well, Yeah, I mean he.

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Speaker 2: Was known to wear like a distinctive.

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Speaker 3: Mustache overcame distinctively.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like think like imagine like a Canadian Clark

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Speaker 2: Gable of the nineteen forties, but like kind of like

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, I think, what's what's the cat Austin power

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Speaker 4: have loved to have played him, just as a straight

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Speaker 4: British character. But even though he's in Canada, I was

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Speaker 4: just from Canada anyway. The guy had like very much

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Speaker 4: a British mustache in Canada, ornamental to his quick and

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Speaker 4: beaming smile. This is my point, Elizabeth A ken Leishman.

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Speaker 4: This guy he's also whip smart. Now I said that

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Speaker 4: for you because you always say men are never described

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Speaker 4: as whip smart, only women are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh she's just whip smart.

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Speaker 2: Well, this guy, Elizabeth, he's smart.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for leveling the plane.

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Speaker 2: I wanted that one.

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Speaker 3: If you're interested in a real looker, does he smile?

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Speaker 3: Does he go get her?

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Speaker 2: He's getting out a lot of mocksy this kid, he's

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Speaker 2: he was. If you're interested in, like a numerical qualification

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Speaker 2: of his intelligence, because I know you always liked that

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Speaker 2: forty six. Is that good? I think so it qualifies

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know anyway, it sounds lone, but then

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Speaker 2: This guy is a non violent criminal, which I also

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Speaker 2: thought you would like. I like that, right, He just

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Speaker 2: he took things that didn't belong to him right throughout

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Speaker 2: his criminal career. He had a reputation, as I said,

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Speaker 2: as a Canadian folk hero. Well, I found one Canadian historian,

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Speaker 2: I quote, it wasn't a murder. People weren't hurt. I

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Speaker 2: him a bit of a folk hero. He was sticking

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Speaker 3: H right, So was he robbing from like banks and

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Speaker 3: corporations or well?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well here, well now that giving you a little

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Speaker 2: sense of who he was when he looks like Let's

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Speaker 2: get into his life in the moving parts. Okay, Ken

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Speaker 2: marries his sweetheart at the age of eighteen some sorts

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Speaker 2: Elva Shields. Okay, Elva love that now VLVA.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's pretty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the female Elvis. So she was older

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Speaker 2: than him by two years. There's a true young love

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Speaker 2: but also a lasting love because despite all the criminality,

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Speaker 2: he knows he needs to get a job, so in

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Speaker 2: equipment like we straw cutters right now. To give his

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Speaker 2: he wants to give them more than selling wheat straw

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Speaker 2: cutters will allow, so Ken starts criming. In fact, he

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Speaker 2: He stole a fridge and a stove right out from

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Speaker 2: the Westinghouse building, just like we'll just take this right

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Speaker 2: the Canadians called it a chesterfield. He stole a matching

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Speaker 2: dinette set and chairs from a warehouse. From a different warehouse,

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Speaker 2: he stole a kitchen set and a bed. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 2: also he stole small things he liked. He stole a radio,

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Speaker 2: because what happy home in nineteen fifty candidate doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a radio right neath the crystal set. So, by the way,

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Speaker 2: all this stealing that was done in one month, in

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Speaker 2: one February nineteen fifty, he just rack it up, rack

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Speaker 2: it up. Right. In March he went back. He was

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Speaker 2: trying to steal even more items to fill out their

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Speaker 2: new happy home. Ken made the classic criminal mistake, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: You know what he did. He got greedy every time.

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Speaker 2: He also got lazy, because you see, he tried to

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Speaker 2: have stolen items delivered directly to his home. Stop, he

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Speaker 2: selected items from the warehouse, then he posed as a

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Speaker 2: buyer from a business, and he had basically phoned ahead

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Speaker 2: to pick up his goods, and then he you know,

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Speaker 2: delivered to my house, right, and so the plan would

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Speaker 2: have worked perfectly. It's like a late night delivery. He's

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Speaker 2: only a couple of people at the warehouse don't really

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Speaker 2: questioned it, except there was a nosy dispatchers like, I

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Speaker 2: don't recognize this, This doesn't seem right. So what do

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Speaker 2: they do? They call the cops?

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, the man just needs anette.

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Speaker 2: Set Ken gets caught, busted, arrested, tried, convicted, and jailed

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth nine month.

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Speaker 3: See that's the He's got a young family.

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Speaker 2: And now he's an ex con. As soon as he

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Speaker 2: gets out, but he's only nine months.

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Speaker 2: Three months later he gets released, though he doesn't have

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Speaker 2: So far he's been like, you know, going selling wheat

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Speaker 2: Right, So now Kenny's able to buy a nice home

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Speaker 3: For I am so slow. I just had to like you,

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Speaker 2: So now that he owns is planned right. He can

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Speaker 3: The goal is to not have to move. That's when

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Speaker 2: So Kenzie's he's looking for this luxurious life. Right, He's

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Speaker 2: goings flying around doing agricultural mechanics stuff. Right, then life

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Speaker 2: ken he's good here. He's like, okay, well I'll just

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Speaker 2: I'll sell cookware. So now he starts flying to distant

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Speaker 3: And they need that. You need that out there.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, this job it doesn't last too long either, right,

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Speaker 2: Apparently you can't sell cookware by plane and really keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the company closes shops as well. November nineteen fifty.

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Speaker 3: Sevens let that one go. You didn't even acknowledge that

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Speaker 2: Oh I could have I was going to put the

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Speaker 3: Know, it's like anyway, I'm sorry anyway, So Ken, my man.

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Speaker 2: He finds himself unemployed nineteen fifty to seven. Now at

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Speaker 2: this point he saddled with financial responsibilities a little bit,

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Speaker 3: So he holds a break dancing contest for the center.

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Speaker 3: You know how you do you sell the fishing line? What?

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Speaker 2: No, No, he's trying to keep that going. You know,

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Speaker 2: how would that help? Anyway? December nineteen fifty seven, Ken,

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Speaker 2: He checked in at a luxury hotel in downtown Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Next day he went shopping, bought himself some new clothes.

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Speaker 2: Then he went and he robbed a bank.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, it was like, look I have no money,

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Speaker 3: so I'm going to blow it on my outfit. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to go do some crime which has hit or miss,

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Speaker 3: you know, like, had he done a lot of research

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Speaker 2: This was his first bank job. Yes, I want to guess, bro,

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Speaker 2: he's a smart guy on this. If I told you

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Speaker 2: I'm smart, this kid can smart. So he had dreamed

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take over the bank. You know, He's not

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Speaker 3: Of He's a guy.

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Speaker 2: He is right. So he comes up with a really

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Speaker 2: But first let's take a break and then we'll come

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Speaker 2: the real bank jobs. All right, Elizabeth, we're back. You

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Hi?

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Speaker 2: By the way, Hi, So Ken, my man is the

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Speaker 2: So he walks into the Toronto Dominion Bank. This is

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Speaker 2: That's g ai R, mister Gahre, mister Garrett. This is

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Speaker 2: that's what he tells people. He tells the bank staff

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Speaker 2: So he gets escorted to the manager's office. The door

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Speaker 2: they assume they'll want to discreetly do their business, right,

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Speaker 2: a handgun. Oh yeah, he mister Gere tells the bank

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Speaker 2: sum of ten thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Checked me exactly, Yeah, because that's just that well, there's

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Speaker 3: no way to stop payment on that pipe.

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Speaker 2: Old you're not going to see this.

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Speaker 3: Well, he probably just will walk it around.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you did see that part coming Okay, yeah, he

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Speaker 2: got exactly that. So meanwhile Ken is Garret. He chats

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Speaker 2: learning about personal details from this guy. And then he

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Speaker 3: Is it a personal check of personal check?

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Speaker 2: But I don't know it could be written on the banks,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's from his account.

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Speaker 2: The bank manager does this. He walks out to the

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Speaker 2: He's casually mentioning the names of the bank manager's family

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Speaker 2: that's all part of his ruse right now. The bank

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Speaker 2: doesn't he's Canadian. He doesn't want anyone get hurt. He's like,

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Speaker 2: worry about it. Now he goes out, mister gere, he goes,

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Speaker 2: He escorts him over to Ken's getaway rental car. Now

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a cold one, right, So Ken

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Speaker 2: how he was so dignified, stylish guy. Did you see

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Speaker 2: so genteel. The press is loving this, They're like final,

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Speaker 2: Gentleman bandit. Oh that's his first one. Now, I guess

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Speaker 2: Or maybe he had ten gees. Yeah, but maybe he

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Speaker 2: had more than his fishing lodge to save. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is. Ken was back at it. March sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: I need a bank loan scheme and I'm from Buffalo

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Speaker 2: into trouble this time when he flashes his piece, the

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Speaker 2: what are you trying to pull there?

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Speaker 3: Eh?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: The bank manager he's unflappable. He gets like Canadian mad

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Speaker 2: and he's like, now we're gonna We're not gonna do

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Speaker 2: whooping right now. This this bank manager, he as I

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Speaker 2: banned it. He panics. He's like, oh, I didn't expect this,

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Speaker 2: So Ken, I told you he doesn't want to use violence,

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Speaker 2: he's terrified, he did Canadian bank man after Oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I knew you'd love that detail. So Ken stumbles, goes down,

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Speaker 2: at the door, tackles them. They go knock down onto

431
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: the sidewalk. Right. This guy hits them like a linebacker

432
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 2: in Canadian football, just.

433
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 3: Wraps up takes him down.

434
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 2: Not at all. So now, that he's on the sidewalk

435
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 2: just outside of the bank. A minister who's walking by,

436
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: he gets involved. He goes over and he kicks the

437
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: gun out of Ken's hand.

438
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: Right, So they're all just as Jesus would have done.

439
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 2: Canadian teamwork. Right, nobody's really hurting anybody. They're all just

440
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,959
Speaker 2: disarming him, wrapping him up.

441
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 6: Right.

442
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 2: So then now the linebacker bank teller, he sits on

443
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: Ken until the police arrive.

444
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 3: Nice.

445
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then Ken's arrested, convicted, sentenced to twelve years

446
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 2: in prison. Oh that's rough.

447
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 3: And if I'm the wife back home, I'm putting the

448
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: for sale sign right out in front of the lodge.

449
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 5: Well.

450
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 2: Thanks to his string of two robberies, one successful, one unsuccessful,

451
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 2: but because he flew to both of them, Ken's given

452
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: a new nickname by the Canadian press.

453
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 3: The Flying Band is.

454
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: Now if you believe it. His wife, Elva, barely blinked.

455
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: She stood by our man. She's like Tammy, whyet Elizabeth? Yeah,

456
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: she's like stand by man now, Elva. She tells the

457
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: newspaper men to come around asking questions. She says, I

458
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: will never pry into his affairs. She added that Ken

459
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: was quote a perfect husband and a father and just

460
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: a wonderful guy.

461
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: I will never pry into his affairs. Honey, I got

462
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 3: news for you.

463
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: You need to get that crowbar.

464
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: Also your affairs now, and.

465
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: The children one hundred percent of your problem now exactly

466
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: So to keep their family in diapers and food, Elva

467
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 2: opened a little shop and she starts like slanging, I

468
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 2: don't know, like Campbell's.

469
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 3: And that's the way to make.

470
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's biden her time. Well, Ken does his twelve

471
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: year bid now thankfully the young family. Ken gets released early.

472
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Now cars as soon as he's free, what does he do?

473
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: Elizabeth buys a plane. He goes right back to criming.

474
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: Only he goes and crimes bigger. He gets ready to

475
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: pull off one of the most epic gold jobs ever

476
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 2: pulled in Canada.

477
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, see, there's part of me that thinks, like, you know,

478
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 3: if you have, if you've done that time, it's really

479
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: really hard to get gainful employment.

480
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: Yes, and you know that going out, And.

481
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: So there's also there's like this competing thing of like,

482
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, they have impulse control issues. They want to

483
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 3: do the crime because it's exciting or it's all they know.

484
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 3: But then on top of that is that overlay of like,

485
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to get a job because

486
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: of you know, people discriminate against those with criminal records.

487
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: Then you put like a bunch of them together and

488
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: they're all talking about their plans what they're gonna do

489
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: when they get out. A lot of the plans are like,

490
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: you know what, it would be a great job to

491
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: pull off. How would you do that. He's a smart guy,

492
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: he's gonna like the challenge.

493
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 3: And you can't really faults his owners too, because if

494
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 3: they're like, I've been burned by hiring someone you know

495
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: who's recently been released from incarceration, and so yeah, you

496
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: know that happens quite a bit, and so it's just

497
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: a bad situational around.

498
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: It burns on both ends, Elizabeth, It really does. Ken.

499
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: He spent his time in coming out.

500
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Ah yes, the good ty food. So Ken. He's sitting

501
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 2: there in prison, this Canadian prison. He's racking up ideas

502
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: and finally he settles on one and he develops it

503
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: from every possible angle, The Flying Bandit. Right when he

504
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: gets out, he's like, Okay, I have got the job right.

505
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: But he only has to do three and a half

506
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: years of his twelve years, so he's still a young man,

507
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: plenty of opportunities. He gets released for good behavior, so

508
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: he was able to work two fronts. He's scheming in

509
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: his head, but meanwhile he's cheating on the outside. It smiles, right.

510
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: He gets considered a model prisoner once again. His gentlemanly

511
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: nature distinguishes him and in prison that actually benefits in

512
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: by comparison. So he's released December twenty first, nineteen sixty one,

513
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 2: just in time for Christmas. Hey, Wharton, tell your f

514
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. Yah, I'll see you guys later the world.

515
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: Just like man. He is so whip smart.

516
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: Once he's out free again, ken, they told you he's

517
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: gonna start crying. But first he tries to return to

518
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: the straight life. Maybe he can make a go of it,

519
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: who knows. He went home to Elva and the Young family.

520
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: He gets a job. He starts selling cookware again door

521
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: to door, but once again after flying to a remote location.

522
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 2: They call it a fly in sales, right, so he's

523
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: doing fly in sales. This lasted for.

524
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: A while, slang in Dutch ovens completely.

525
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: The Young family continue to grow. He and Elva they

526
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: would continue. They have seven kids, stop it. Seven kids.

527
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: No, come on now, dude, he does not.

528
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: Seven kids is extra expensive too, That's what I'm saying,

529
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: because I don't have.

530
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 5: It.

531
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: It's one thing if like, oh, we have these kids,

532
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: and then I'm trying to make ends meet, and I

533
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: turned to crime. Huh, well stop having the kids. Keep

534
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: your expenses.

535
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: Down, Elizabeth. Making kids is fun. I don't know to

536
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: tell you. So anyways goes. I gotta pay for these

537
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: seven kids and all the fun we had, honey. And

538
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: then he's like, I got an IDEA gold plane, a

539
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: gold plane. Yeah, now, like a literal plane made out

540
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: of gold. I know how you're picturing, Like King Mike

541
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: has touched a plane gold gold transport plane.

542
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: You see the plane that transports gold.

543
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, a gold plane, you know, like it's.

544
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 3: The old plane.

545
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, But how you put the emphasis

546
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: on it. Anyway, there's gold mines up in like in Ontario.

547
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: The gold from the mines. It gets flown down south

548
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: to Winnipeg on these small transport planes, gold planes operated

549
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: by this company trans Air. Right now. Once they're the

550
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: gold bullyon that's a kka gold bricks, gold ingots, and

551
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 2: gold coins all labeled under the term gold.

552
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: Buwllyond in hot water and it makes gold soup.

553
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: It's excellent, some onion celery, it's amazing. Gold would be

554
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: transferred by the way to an air crew from Air Canada.

555
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: So it goes from trans air to Air Canada. Okay

556
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 2: a right, So that crew from Air Canada, they would

557
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: load the gold bricks onto flights bound to the Royal

558
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: Canadian Mint in the capitol, Ottawa, Okay right. So for

559
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: weeks Ken surveiled the Winnipeg Inner National Airport. He clocks

560
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 2: the schedule of all the gold planes coming in and

561
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: out from the Red Lake mines. He imagined how he

562
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: can get his hands on that gold. How do I

563
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: pry in there? What will work? Eventually he figures out

564
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: the exact ideal time to rob the gold planes. He's

565
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: got his window down. He determines he'll need four men

566
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: to make his plan work to pay off. Right, So

567
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: he plans a job, like I said, back when he

568
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: was into this place called Stony Mountain Prison. So he's like, okay,

569
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: I knew a guy back there, and this guy was Harry,

570
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: back when he was a lawyer from Winnipeg. And well

571
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: he becomes the financial backer for the scheme and in

572
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: charge of fencing the stolen gold. So he goes he's smart.

573
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: He gets both sides. I need money to pay for it.

574
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: I need to get rid of it to cash it

575
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: out for money. We always talk about it. They don't

576
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: make a plan for how you're gonna get rid of it.

577
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: You steal. It's very true part of his plan from

578
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: the get go. Now, this lawyer, he wasn't in prison

579
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: because he was like a bad lawyer. He's still a lawyer.

580
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: He was actually just a law student who was going

581
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: around helping the inmates. So he meets him. He's like,

582
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: I like that guy. I wanna see I think he's

583
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: a kind of hanky right this yeah, yeah, he flips

584
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: them right. So the other guy, now he needs two

585
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: hard men, just like but Canadian hard men. He gets,

586
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: uh so they're very tall, exactly, rugged, broad chested. So

587
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: John Barry, that's a hard man. He's a he's a

588
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: professional crook. Then he also gets this guy, Richard Greenco

589
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Rick Rick Greenco. He's a fellow hard man.

590
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna say, Richard Grico.

591
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: No, No, he could not get him. He was not available,

592
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: said he was doing some show down South. That's terrible anyway.

593
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 2: Ken's drinking buddies. That's these guys, that's their quality.

594
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: He hires his drinking Yeah, but.

595
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: Hard men, drinking buddies, those drinking buddies he has.

596
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: It's always a bad idea to bring in more people

597
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: because it's more mouths to speak. Sure, but at the

598
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: same time, it's not like he was a raging success before.

599
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: So people as she wants.

600
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: So Rick, he brings in his brother, Paul Greenco, and

601
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna act as their face men. In this case,

602
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: he'll be in charge of watching for the large gold shipment.

603
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: So he's gonna pose as a as a salesman of gold.

604
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: He wants to find out when a large shipment's gonna

605
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: come in.

606
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: Okay, So Barry and then Grinco's so.

607
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard and Paul Granco and John Berry now Rick

608
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: and John Berry, they will be in charge of grabbing

609
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: the gold like they are. They're they're they're the hard men, right.

610
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: So this wasn't gonna as they said, wasn't gonna be

611
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: a smashing grab job, not gonna be a break in

612
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: the plan was the two hard men would be handed

613
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: the gold. Oh, just handed right over to them. Elizabeth,

614
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: here you go take this goal.

615
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: I see what's gonna happen. They're gonna dress like Air

616
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: Canada employees. We're so whip smart for a lady host.

617
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: That lady host whip smart kitting. Now to pull this off,

618
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: this means is you'd guessed disguise it. So the men

619
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: they get white wintertime coveralls that match the ones worn

620
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: by the Air Canada crew. Then they doctor up the

621
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: stencil for the Air Canada logo. Next, now they need

622
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: proper paperwork, and so they're gonna need to manifest way bills.

623
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: Can finesse that by stealing some actual way bills from

624
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: the Air Canada. Heels are the Winnipeg Airport. How did

625
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: he pull off that move? Well, he's super smooth, Elizabeth.

626
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: He did almost next to nothing. He just waited until

627
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: the Canadian crew took lunch. Then the Air Canada, the

628
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: people of the crew, they left the desk unattended. Yoick.

629
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Now he had fish away bills they were so they

630
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: weren't suspicious. So anyway, a plane from the Red Lake

631
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Gold Mines. They flew into Winnipeg Airport on March first,

632
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six. Can and his crew were all ready

633
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: and set Paul the lookout. He's posing as a salesman,

634
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: as he told you, interested in buying a lot of gold.

635
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: So he's like, oh, there's an extra large gold shipman

636
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: coming in. They told me it's aboard this plane. He

637
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: tells them. When it's gonna land, time to strike. Rick

638
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Granco and John Berry. They get dawled up in their

639
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: fake Air Canada wintertime coveralls. Next they go on they

640
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: steal an Air Canada truck possibly a van source to

641
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: say both. Anyway, they stole that from the motor pool.

642
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: They drive that stolen truck or van right across the tarmac.

643
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: They are the two hard men in their Air Canada coveralls.

644
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: They meet the trans Air gold plane. They informed the

645
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 2: trans Air staff that they're there too. There's a been

646
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: a change in the scheduled transfer right. But typically Air

647
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: Canada they would take possession of the gold right and

648
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: then they would transfer it out on a scheduled flight.

649
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: Everybody knew it. It was all set, but due to the

650
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: size of this particular gold shipment, the hard Men explained

651
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: that Air Canada wanted to get it out as soon

652
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: as possible, so they want to transfer it and they

653
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: have it lined up for a charter flight. It was

654
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: six hundred pounds of gold.

655
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: Wow, that's multiple bo Jackson.

656
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, multiple, Like it's at least I think two and

657
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: a third bowl Jackson. Now their story was suspicious, but

658
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: what could that trans air aircrew say? I mean, they're like, well,

659
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: the two hard men, they have wintertime Air Canada coveralls on.

660
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: They're driving a legit Air Canada truck or possibly van.

661
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: They also have legit paperwork. They have the way bills

662
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: from Air Canada. Right, it's snowy and cold, and who

663
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: wants to stand around on a tarmac questioning paperwork? So

664
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: hinky as it all may have seen Transair staffs like

665
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: here you go. They hand over the gold shipment. They

666
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: load the gold onto the Air Canada truck. The two

667
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: hard men drive off right off to the tarmac and

668
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: they disappear. Rick Green Coow and John Barry successfully drove

669
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: the Air Canada van out of the airport. Then a

670
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: bilometer or so away, they meet up with a second

671
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: vehicle driven by Ken Leishman. The Flying Man had done it.

672
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Coincidentally, or rather ironically, considering his name, he chose

673
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: not to fly away with his six hundred pounds of

674
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: stolen gold. The plan was to drive it away, so

675
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: he dropped off the hard men and then he drove

676
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: the gold bullyon over to the home of the lawyer,

677
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: Harry Backlan Right, he let himself in since Backlhan was

678
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: away on vacation. He planned to hide the gold in

679
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: the lawyer's freezer. At this point, that wasn't the original plan.

680
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: The original plan was much better. Originally, Ken planned to

681
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: hide the stolen gold in a farm field. The farm

682
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: belonged to Ken's uncle. Was gonna be super easy, but

683
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: then a blizzard comes in, so now they can't dig,

684
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: they can't even drive. Also, Kent's gotta worry. He's got

685
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: all these fears and worries. He suddenly fears creep up

686
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: about the Mounties, the Royal Canadian Announted Police. They're gonna

687
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: have set up a roadblock so all over the place.

688
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: He's not gonna want to.

689
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: Drive too much. So he just drives over to the

690
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: lawyer's house and then he audibles. Right, He's like, okay,

691
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: we need to sit tight. Where they're going to leave

692
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: the gold hidden somewhere that no one would look. The

693
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: lawyer's deep freeze.

694
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's great. So what's your ridiculous take?

695
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, he yeah, he drives over to the

696
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: lawyer's house. He's supposed to be away on vacations I

697
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: told you, which he was, but his mother was there.

698
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: She decided to house sit in the nice house. Anyway,

699
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: Ken had to quickly come up with a cover story

700
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: where he has all these boxes that have to go

701
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: into the lawyer's basement. He's like, oh, these are filled

702
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: with frozen moostakes, your son ordered. She's like, okay, come

703
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: on in. She lets them. Man Ken's able to stash

704
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: the gold in the lawyer's deep freeze. I thought you'd

705
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: liked that.

706
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: The mom wasn't like, oh, break me off one on

707
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: your way down there.

708
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: No, no, they were deck two frozen for I gas. Anyway.

709
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: Another part of the original plan that was that they

710
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: would all sit on they told you on the stolen

711
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: gold wait a few years, then attempt to fence it

712
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: once the heat was off. Yeah, they'd move the gold

713
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: to buyers overseas. There was a problem with that plan.

714
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: The two hard men they we want to get paid

715
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: right now, of course, the right, So Ken he has

716
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: to up the timetable. Now the new plan, Ken's going

717
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: to go overseas. He's going to show prospective buyers what

718
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: they had stolen, and then they'll all make all their

719
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: problems go away because they'll buy all six hundred pounds

720
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: the gold and will go great.

721
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: What's going to happen.

722
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: We'll be back and I'll tell you what happened to

723
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: the six hundred pounds of gold and our Canadian Robin hood.

724
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth, Okay, so where were we? That's right,

725
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: Harry Beckland's basement. Yes, we got the frozen moose steaks

726
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: that are not real but are actually gold.

727
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: Bullyard, very very heavy steaks.

728
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: So and they need to take The new plan is

729
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: to take some gold overseas so they can sell it

730
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: right away, even though the heat is still on. So

731
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: what do they do? The h is fully oh so Ken.

732
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: He grabs a hacksaw, he saws off a chunk of

733
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: gold for one of the gold bars. Then his new

734
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: pop plan is he will go and board a train

735
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: headed to Vancouver, where he will board a flight to

736
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Hong Kong, because you know that's where there's a big

737
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: black market for this type of stuff. Meanwhile, the lawyer,

738
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: Harry Becklin. He returned home from his vacation, and he

739
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: gets worried that his wife might find all this gold

740
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: hidden amongst the frozen moostakes that actually are in the

741
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: deep freezer. I forgot to tell you that he actually

742
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: does have legitimate frozen moose stakes. So he takes the

743
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: gold out from the deep freeze and he buries it

744
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: in his backyard. Oh there's another tiny problem with all

745
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: of this. I forgot the CRU's newly improvised plan right

746
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: to sell the gold. Ken didn't have a passport. He

747
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: can't travel on a passport. So yeah, yeah, yeah, so

748
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: he's going to use the lawyer's passport. Just say I'm

749
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: Harry back. Yeah, yeah, that's the plan. So Ken linked

750
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: up with the lawyer. He takes the lawyer's passport. He

751
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: gets on a train to Vancouver. Boom, he takes off

752
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: with a sowd off chunk of sample goals. This is

753
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: the plan working perfect right now, and Ken arrives in Vancouver.

754
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: He wastes no time, Elizabeth. He headed right over to

755
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: the airport. While he waited for his flight, he heard

756
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: his name get called over the airport.

757
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: P a is His name was Ken Leishman.

758
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: He's like, that ain't good. That spooked him. So what

759
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: did he do? He gets up and he goes and

760
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: he ditches a hunk of gold that has on him. Right,

761
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: He's like, dump sit somewhere in the trash. Nobody ever

762
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: finds it.

763
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: Odd, No, just disappeared quiet about it.

764
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: He was in the trash, yeah, exactly. So anyway, he

765
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: tries to play it cool. He's like, who's Ken Leishman.

766
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, n Yeah. So that fails though, because

767
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: there's a full detachment of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

768
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: at the airport. I like to picture them up on

769
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: horseback walking through with the red jackets. Anyway, so they

770
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: eventually find him and the inspector from the Mountains in

771
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: charge of this airport arrest. His name was Superintendent Gordon Perry.

772
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: That's like the most Canadian named ever Canadian, Gordon Perry, right.

773
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: So anyway, Inspector Gordon, he said the plan was good,

774
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: what he did afterward, and the people he associated with

775
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: were not up to his character. He should have done better.

776
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 5: Eh.

777
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: So while Ken was stuck on his two day train

778
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: trip from Winnipeg to Vancouver, the cops had been on

779
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: the case. Yeah, right, by the way, can we just

780
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: talk for a moment about how dope would be on

781
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: a two day train trip to go across Canada.

782
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to do that trans Canadian rail trip.

783
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: That would am amazing. We got to come up their

784
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: excuse to do that.

785
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: We could record special episodes from the train.

786
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: There you go and do all all a ridiculous crime

787
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: on the train and just cover it live.

788
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: Well, the first the Tuesday episode is us talking about

789
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: great train robbery, and then Thursday Thursday is us doing

790
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: a train robbery, and then the next.

791
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: Week from prisons. Hopefully we'll be on the LAMB for

792
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: at least.

793
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: This very special rerun while we're gonna get bailed out.

794
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to the mountains. Okay, they've been working on

795
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: this case for two days despite the blizzard. I told

796
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: you about the obscured tire tracks and you know whatever.

797
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: The investigators found the abandoned Air Canada cargo van. Yep.

798
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: To their luck, forensics were able to lift a fingerprint

799
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: on one of the men.

800
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: Listen, it is cold out there. Yeh yeah, what are

801
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: the leaving fingerprints? Where are you going?

802
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: Exactly?

803
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: Just for the war?

804
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Your finger sums. Anyway, the Mounties they find Ken's get

805
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: away car too. He had abandoned somewhere where they're like, hey,

806
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: it's over here, eh. So he'd also left behind a notepad,

807
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: although he'd torn out the notes. The police used that

808
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: old pencil truck. Yeah, I figured you like this, right,

809
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 2: sister bon rightly shaded that paper and boom emerges one word,

810
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: that word Backland.

811
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: Oh, he's like back then, with like the little hearts around it.

812
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: And he was like one, get the gold too, drive

813
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: it to Backland's house at and then the address and

814
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: like little directions.

815
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: So the next morning, the Mountain's paid a visit Backland,

816
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: but not at home at his office. Really's dignified, right,

817
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: But you know what, rather than me's telling you about it,

818
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: talking about Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your eyes,

819
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: I'd like you to picture it. It's March nineteen sixty six,

820
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: and you are in Manitoba, Canada. Specifically, you were in

821
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: a law of this, typing up a letter. You are

822
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: the newly hired secretary of a young lawyer.

823
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: I'm lipsmart.

824
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: Can't get a much better job since you're in Canada

825
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: on the lamb. That's right, you are a successful gem

826
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: thief who's been working the Eastern Seaboard posing as a

827
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: psychic medium, Madame Regina corn Tower. Now after you had

828
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: an escape. You had to escape a botched gem job

829
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: in Manhattan. You snuck over the border into Canada. Now

830
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: you're working for this young lawyer. It's the perfect gig.

831
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: Who whatever suspect you, you're just nice little Regina Cornthawer

832
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: from Calgary. Now you know, I'd love to tell you

833
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: about it.

834
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: Eh.

835
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: You try your accent, but it doesn't always see anyway.

836
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: This morning, you're feeling a little nervous because why there's

837
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: police at the door. You can see them through the

838
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: smoke glass panel of the door to the law office.

839
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: You see the hand of the law rap on the glass.

840
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: The door shakes in the frame. You see the gold

841
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: of the law man's badge. You get up your chair, squeaks,

842
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: your heels click clack cross that linoleum floor. You open

843
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: the door, praying that this isn't the moment you feared

844
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: for months would come. Nope, but cop greets you with

845
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: a smile. He's a detective, he says, his name is

846
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: Detective Sergeant Dunmall and he asks you if your boss,

847
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Harry Backlan is in. You say to yourself, oh he

848
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: is now. Detectives say oh goody, and he steps inside

849
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: the office, walks past you, knocks on the door to

850
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: Backlan's office. Come in, is the reply, now, Backland, he's

851
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: assuming it's probably you with coffee or the morning's news.

852
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Door sleeps open. His face falls when he sees it's

853
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: not you, it's what is you? But it's also detective

854
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: Sergeant Dunball. He is smiling. The detective introduces himself. Backland

855
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: stands up to greet him. The two men shake hands.

856
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: Nice you know, friendly Canadians. Backland's cools a cucumber in

857
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: a bowl of hot sauce. Shout out mci. Now. He

858
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: asks what the detective is there for. He offers him

859
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: a seat in the chair opposite his desk. The detective,

860
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: you're standing there watching this. The detective accepts the offer.

861
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: As he moves to sit down, he spies a briefcase

862
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: beside Backland's desk. The detective he trusts his instincts. He

863
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: kicks the briefcase just gently. The briefcase is heavy. It

864
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: doesn't move. It's weighted down with something real heavy the

865
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: detective bends over all Harry Backland and you can do

866
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: or watch together as the detective opens the unlocked briefcase

867
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: and boom, what does he see? A sowd off stolen

868
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: gold bar shining back at him.

869
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: That's a that's a difficult probable cause right there.

870
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: Harry Backlan says, nothing. You gasped at the sight of

871
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: the gold. The detective chuckles to himself, and then he says, now,

872
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 2: counselor you know what this means, don't you? You're going

873
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: to jail? Oh you bet you eh. Now, after this, Elizabeth,

874
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: the detective went over to the lawyer's house with a

875
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: bunch of other cops. Say, what do you think they

876
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: founded Harry Backland's place?

877
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: Mistakes?

878
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Yes, they did find and in the deep freeze below

879
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: that they found a small pile of gold that Harry

880
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: tried to I guess hide from the others. Old Harry

881
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: couldn't help himself. But that wasn't all. The mounties kept

882
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: searching and they found all the other gold bars and

883
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: bullion and ingots and so forth that were in the

884
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: back of the Backland house.

885
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, hidden under fresh fallen snow.

886
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: Now, when he heard about how his lawyer was the

887
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: one who was caught with the hunk of sawd off

888
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: gold in his brief case, which ultimately led the police

889
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: to the rest of the main stat What do you

890
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: the Ken was thinking. He was flabbergasted the lawyer had

891
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: kept the gold on him in his briefcase. Ken, that

892
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: was his actually pretty much his quote. But you were there,

893
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: you saw the downfall I did now, I mean, who

894
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: would ever write anyway? As Ken Leishman said quote, the

895
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: plan was that he would return that piece to the freezer.

896
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: It was stupid. So their successful Air Canada gold robbery,

897
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: mind you, was the largest gold heist in Canadian history

898
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: up to that point. Ken gets arrested, sent to Headlingly

899
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: Jail to await trial. While there, he convinced some other

900
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: inmates we shouldn't be in here, so we should be

901
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: good for this. We should leave guys, and so they did.

902
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: They busted out. So this time his plan works perfectly.

903
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: These guys listen, I don't know. September one, nineteen sixty six,

904
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: Ken and three inmates overpower a guard, steal his keys,

905
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: bust out. Once they get free, they make a quick

906
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: getaway and a stolen Chevy. Nice choice boy. Now that

907
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: the escape convicts had wheels, they lee over to nearby Steinbach, Manitoba.

908
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: Now the prison escapes, big news. Right leads to the

909
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: largest manhunt in Manitoba history. They're cops everywhere. They're shutting

910
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: down to all the major highways, the roads. There's roadblocks everywhere. Elizabeth,

911
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: these guys need to get off the road. Luckily they're

912
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: with the flying bandit.

913
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: That's right.

914
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: So he has a plan for this. He springs into action.

915
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: He drives them over to an airport, right onto the tarmac.

916
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: They steal a plane. Then they fly their freedom in

917
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: another country. What country is that?

918
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 6: Hey?

919
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: Big hey, hey, Now Candy flies himself and the jailbird

920
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: crew across the border. They land and where Gary, Indiana? Ohys,

921
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: but this is not the Gary you would picture. This

922
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: is not urban downtown Gary. This is the farms surrounding.

923
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

924
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: Obviously he can't land at an airport, Elizabeth, so Ken

925
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: landed the plane in a farmer's field. So after he

926
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: safely crash landed with the three fellow convicts, and then

927
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: this worried farmer comes running out to see if the

928
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: men are okay. He's always had engine troubles, Yeah, Ken's

929
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: genteel nature once again wins the day. The concerned farmer

930
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: looks past the three obvious convicts and says, like, yes,

931
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: you fellows might need a ride to town. He gives

932
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: them a ride to town. So once they're in Gary proper,

933
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: how they can get up to some real trouble newly

934
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: free Canadians. What do they do?

935
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 5: Well?

936
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: I mean, are they still in their prison garb?

937
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: You know, what's a good question. I'm thinking they probably

938
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: took clothing from maybe the scarecrow. I don't know, only

939
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: enough for one.

940
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: So I don't know what they get to Gary, Indiana.

941
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: They have to get clothing at some point.

942
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't know where they get they get clothing.

943
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: So now they're wearing like the latest.

944
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: Duds of Now what you got to get out of

945
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: that town?

946
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nope, they go to a bar, they ordered drinks

947
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: and they toast their freedom. Meanwhile, keep in mind, this

948
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: is a huge man hunt, right, so they are all

949
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: sorts of TV news reports. TVs are always in bars,

950
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: so they're on the news in the bar, right, but

951
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: they when I first noticed them. But still there's constant

952
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: updates every hour on the hour about this daring escape

953
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: from the Canadian jail being on the lookout, you know,

954
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: wanted men anyway, sitting in the bar and Gary, Indiana,

955
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: the four recently freed inmates. They of course call attention

956
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 2: to themselves in the dumbest way possible. As they're getting drunk,

957
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: they start getting loud, but they're also dropping Canadian money

958
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: in America. No, you're kidding we Oh yeah, it didn't

959
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: take long for someone to put two and two together

960
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: and not the count of four. They phoned the cops.

961
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: So now the cops show up in all four convicts.

962
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: Right they're in the bar, they're surrounded confronted by a

963
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: bunch of armed police. Ken's like, I give up, So

964
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm cool with this. Two of the other

965
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: guys they're hardened criminals, so they decide they're not going

966
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: back inside and they're not going back to the big

967
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: House Elizabeth. They just either are gonna blast their way

968
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: out like it's the nineteen thirties. So they're getting a

969
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: shootout with the cops. No one gets killed, no one

970
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: gets hurt. Right now, you're seriously injured. But canon three,

971
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: they all get captured, returned to the unfriendly confines of

972
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: a Canadian prison. The authorities tacked on another seven years

973
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: for the gold heist and the jail escape to his

974
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: prior eight years prison sentence, and Ken was sent back

975
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: to Stony Mountain Penitentiary AA. His second time at the

976
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: prison was no different than his first time, Elizabeth because

977
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: again model prisoner. Everybody likes Ken. Example, he ran the

978
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: prison hockey league. He was a commissioner of the prison

979
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Hockey League, make sure the ice was all clean and

980
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: allly that. He became integral to lives of prisoners and

981
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: the prison warden. According to one remembrance, the guy said quote,

982
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: he was well liked at Stony Mountain. The warden used

983
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: to have him over for dinner. They had a Toastmaster's

984
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: club in the prison and he was the president. Oh yeah,

985
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: Ken's kids. One of them recalled quote, if some guy

986
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: was having a problem with his wife or girlfriend, Dad

987
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 2: would write a romantic poem he could send.

988
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

989
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing like lonely inside, yeah, Sarah no de Bergier,

990
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So it was fellow prisoners they come to

991
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: love this guy. They're like, it's flying bandit. He's all

992
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: right man right. So Ken, like I said, charismatic still

993
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: whips Smart so his wife, Elvia, she stands by her man.

994
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: She visits him in prison all the time. Their love

995
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: affair undiminished. Elizabeth through despite the seven kids. She's like,

996
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: I can take this all right, it wasn't easy. We

997
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: can all agree on that, right, Yeah, Ken gets lucky.

998
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Eventually he's let out after eight years of his fifteen

999
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: year sentence. He immediately went and rejoined Elva in the family.

1000
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: They moved the family up to Red Lake, up near

1001
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: the gold mines, but not for more crime. I don't

1002
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: want you worrying. Elva's not gonna get like shafted again. Instead,

1003
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: it becomes an actual, factual member of the community.

1004
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah.

1005
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: He worked as a bush pilot, used his talents to

1006
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: help others. Elva opened up another shop selling like, I

1007
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: don't know, candles and tea cozies. Again. Eventually the family

1008
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: has embraced They're welcomed as members of the community. Ken.

1009
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: He gets elected president of the Chamber of Commerce. Elizabeth,

1010
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: you are that's the main Like, that's the stripe down

1011
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: main Street. You cannot get more mainstream than that, right.

1012
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: Royal Canadian Mounted Police Inspector Gordon Perry remember him, Yeah,

1013
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: He once summed up my man, Ken Leishman by saying

1014
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: that quote, he was living on the edge all the time.

1015
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: In my view, he had this Errol Flynn complex. He

1016
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: was a romantic type of guy, so hard to argue

1017
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: with that, right, the flying bat was anything. He was

1018
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: a romantic. He was a criminally romantic. He was romantic romantic.

1019
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: He was just a big heart.

1020
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: Right.

1021
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1022
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: His wife, Elva, she said she'd once considered divorcing him,

1023
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 2: but she couldn't turn her back on She couldn't stop

1024
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: loving him. Theirs was a rare true love of fair,

1025
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: she told a curious reporter. And and I will quote

1026
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: she tried to explain why she'd stayed, because I know

1027
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: you're confused by this, why she couldn't quit her never

1028
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: ending love affair. And she said, and I quote. He

1029
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: was the man in my life. He was my everything.

1030
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: He got into problems and stuff, but oh he was

1031
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: really good. I wrote him every day. He wrote poems

1032
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: for me. He never sent a car without writing a

1033
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: verse in it.

1034
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 5: Oh.

1035
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: El So you know, big heart lorry right. And then

1036
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: Ken Leishman goes out as a true folk hero. I

1037
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: saved the best relaxed Okay, he was still flying working

1038
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: as a bush pilot. I told you that he starts

1039
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: working with the remote hospitals. He's bringing people patients into

1040
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: the city who need like life saving tradment. Unfortunately, December

1041
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, Ken Leishman was on one of those

1042
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: life saving medflights. His plane goes down, dies in the crash,

1043
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: or so it's presumed. His body never found, just his wallet.

1044
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: He's forty eight years old at the time forty eight.

1045
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1046
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: Authority is determined while he was never found, he was

1047
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: likely eaten by wolves.

1048
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: So oh goodness.

1049
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was very Canadian.

1050
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way to God.

1051
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: That was a tough blow. You know, when you live

1052
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: by the wolf, you died by the wolf. I guess. Anyway,

1053
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: as she said at the time, it was a hard time.

1054
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: We were starting out again and Ken was doing so well.

1055
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: We're going to have a nice life. Now. I know

1056
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: this sounds crazy, right, but from nineteen fifty one to

1057
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, when you know he had the plane crash,

1058
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: they had a really strong true love. So I know

1059
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: they made They raised and parented seven kids, or she

1060
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: parented seven kids and Kevin. Ken never hurt anyone, right,

1061
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: you know, and you're throwing the gold HEISTI I know,

1062
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: things get criminal, ridiculous, whatever, But Ken, he had a

1063
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: good life. Yeah, being at the gentleman outlaw, the Flying

1064
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: bandit Elva. Maybe not so much. The kids maybe not

1065
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: so much.

1066
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe not.

1067
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: The wolf's digestion not so much. But whatever, it was

1068
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: every Ken he did have a nice life, right, what's

1069
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: a ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth?

1070
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: Impulse control is always with impulse control. We know it is.

1071
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: It's sort of the root of a lot of problems.

1072
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: And particularly like you know, when I taught the prisons,

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Speaker 3: like my students and I would talk about that about

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Speaker 3: impulse control and how it manifests and how it got

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Speaker 3: them there. Every single one of them was like, that's

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Speaker 3: exactly you know why I'm here because I can't control

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Speaker 3: an impulse.

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Speaker 2: When the plank when they have what about when they

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Speaker 2: have planning, like he was sitting in there in prison

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Speaker 2: getting ready to do his gold heights. There's no impulse

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Speaker 2: control there is there.

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Speaker 3: There's yeah, the impulse to do the crime like he

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Speaker 3: he is, he's a husband and a father and he

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Speaker 3: has a family to to take care of or to

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Speaker 3: help take care of to be a part of that unit.

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Speaker 3: And he has this impulse to commit this crime in

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Speaker 3: order to get the you know, the money that he wants,

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Speaker 3: rather than to work hard and you know, do something

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Speaker 3: that's not so fun, like you know most of us

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Speaker 3: do in order to get paid and run our lives.

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Speaker 3: He can't control that impulse. Like you know, a lot

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Speaker 3: of people will think, you know, it would be really

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Speaker 3: great rob a bank, and then you know, it's so

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Speaker 3: easy to out and I could do it, and I

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Speaker 3: can figure out all these things. And this guy's sitting

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Speaker 3: in prison because he didn't do it right. You know

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Speaker 3: what I can do, Trust, I could do this well.

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Speaker 3: Suppress that impulse, you know, and that's not easy for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I was speaking of it as much more in the moment,

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Speaker 2: like you know, when you pull the gun, that type

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Speaker 2: of impulse control, not the like long term six months later,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do.

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Speaker 3: It long term impulse? Is that avery ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't have one. There, you go, I didn't

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Speaker 2: have I didn't expect you to ask, so I just

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Speaker 2: didn't even think about it. I was like, my ridiculous

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Speaker 2: takeaway Lizbeth is not gonna ask me. That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: So hey, you in the mood for a talkback though?

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Speaker 3: I love talkbacks.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, super.

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Speaker 5: I love get Hi.

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Speaker 6: This is Abby from Florida. I love this show and

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to say in the Charlie Chaplin episode

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Speaker 6: Zarn his accent sounded like his accent from mister Rochat.

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Speaker 6: It sounded like doctor dufer Schmertz from Veneas and Ferb.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I was gonna get that reference,

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Speaker 6: but yeah, it's awesome. Love the show, keep doing it.

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Speaker 2: Hell on me, says Abby from Florida. I want to

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Speaker 2: say thank you for the talk back. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: That was nice. Anyway, that was just popped out, you know. Anyway,

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