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Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is t j Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests

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Speaker 1: joining us this smarting Yes, indeed, Adam Pacman, Jones, Adam

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Speaker 1: On if you go pat Man Jones pac Man Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, damn Adam. I never heard him out of

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Speaker 1: my life. He's a podcaster now, you know, you just

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Speaker 1: never know. And we got random marks. What's up, guys?

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Speaker 1: What they do your podcaster? Now? Man, I don't know

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Speaker 1: where you get that. That's gracious back Man not pac Man.

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Speaker 1: You can't curse on this show now. I heard you

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Speaker 1: on the radio and Pitch Burns. You gotta tell me

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Speaker 1: that off the curse because like I'm I'm like driving

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Speaker 1: a car without a seat belt sometimes, so if I

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Speaker 1: need to put my seatbelt on just left you could. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not live, We're not you would live in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: That's why it was. You called me right after talking

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Speaker 1: about Man. They ain't tell with me, bro. They cut

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Speaker 1: me off. That cut me off and didn't call me up.

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Speaker 1: And that was legendary. It's like a two hundred fifty

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Speaker 1: dollars fun depending on what word it is. Depending on

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Speaker 1: the word, Well, it was eat you can say that

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Speaker 1: it was eat shit, pick fuck pit. This is a

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Speaker 1: horrid fucking town. Eat ship. That's funny when you say

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Speaker 1: stuff like that because you're talking to the fans, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: but it still is. But when you go there's probably

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Speaker 1: some dude that you know reps the city and like, man,

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Speaker 1: why do you say were a piece of your town? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Actually I haven't met that person because

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Speaker 1: everybody know where I was standing between Pittsburg and West

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Speaker 1: Virginia or Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. But every now and then

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Speaker 1: you're always gonna have some somebody that's got something to say.

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Speaker 1: But like, I'm not, I have nothing against the people

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Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh. I just don't like Pittsburgh, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Like, she don't ask me to go to

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Speaker 1: the camp to see the stillers, I'm like, yo, hell no,

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Speaker 1: Like it would be against everything and and and that

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Speaker 1: I stand for to do that. That's just me personally.

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Speaker 1: He said, you want to play for Mike Tomland. One

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Speaker 1: time I said I would have played for Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: But like you know, I don't have no problem with

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlan. Actually Mike Tomlin is one of them, my

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Speaker 1: good friends, I would say. As far as coaches coaching wise,

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Speaker 1: he actually hired Blank Stewart, who dad was my coach

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Speaker 1: in West Virginia who is also now the Special Team's

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Speaker 1: coach and Pittsburgh. But it just it's I can't do that, bro,

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Speaker 1: Like I guess the problem though, Like we watched these

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Speaker 1: games on Sunday. You see dudes beefing, But ninety five

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Speaker 1: ninety seven percent of the time when they walk in

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Speaker 1: the locker rooms over right, they could be out there

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Speaker 1: by the buses, families talking. You know. Oh yeah that

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Speaker 1: was nothing. So now you eat three years out dune

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Speaker 1: playing ball, he's still carrying this beef. Like, but that

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Speaker 1: was we got what did they do you that that

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Speaker 1: bad that you like? It was just it's not what

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Speaker 1: they did to me. It's what that I didn't get

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Speaker 1: to do to them. But like just imagine this, say

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Speaker 1: like say, like you where you from Queens Queens, right,

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Speaker 1: So let's just say you've been one of your your

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Speaker 1: buddies that you really didn't like. I was down in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yo, man, I want you to come through

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Speaker 1: your birthday party here and started back and queens, whence

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Speaker 1: you come chilled me to everybody? You know? Get you

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Speaker 1: some interviews down, what would you say? You're my bro?

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Speaker 1: That shit don't add up, just don't add up. Like

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Speaker 1: and then, and my point the Brandon is, while I

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Speaker 1: put myself in a situation where I might have to

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Speaker 1: I would not ask for him, not the whole Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: He just like, I'm not going to be like Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and Rocket Label, and I'm not getting paid to go

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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. You will not see Adam Jones with Brandon

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Speaker 1: loves loved the little shitty town. But like, I'm from

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh from the only reason. But like, there's no reason

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Speaker 1: unless you get paid. So you're telling me that, So

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? Black and

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Speaker 1: Yellow comes on in the club or on the radio?

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Speaker 1: You know, I ain't that personal now, I'm I'm into music,

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Speaker 1: I will say the packman. You don't get enough credit

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Speaker 1: your failures? You know, but because certain shit sales And

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Speaker 1: it because I'm one of those guys like even with

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Speaker 1: like get your shit off your chest, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, and after thirty minutes we'll move on. But

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Speaker 1: I don't want you bullshitting all day and being mad

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Speaker 1: I would have had a chance to speak about everything.

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Speaker 1: You gotta realize. When we was up on the shield,

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Speaker 1: you can't say nothing after the game. Um, if you

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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about new finds that they find on radio.

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Speaker 1: They find them saying two fifties in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: But it come out of my check. You give what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying when I choose to go against the rules

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Speaker 1: all of the New Channel. Actually, when I cutched out

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Speaker 1: fined like one hundred and fifty for that fight for

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Speaker 1: it back afterwards because it was just insane that he

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Speaker 1: our platform right after the game, oh probably had two

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Speaker 1: three million people you know what I mean, watching us

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Speaker 1: subscribing just from that moment. And that's the different difference

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Speaker 1: People watching it, you know what I mean. So if

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Speaker 1: what you say. It's a little bit more easier. Brandon

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Speaker 1: expound on that why it's important for athletes to have

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Speaker 1: control of their own natives, like y'all do nothing because

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Speaker 1: it's a business, point blank period. You know. Um, you

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Speaker 1: got to think about every how we get paid is

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Speaker 1: because of the TV deals, right, you see these They

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Speaker 1: just expanded the college football playoffs from eight to twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a difference in two billion dollars, damn right.

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Speaker 1: So it's all about eyeballs. So pack where he talking about.

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Speaker 1: You can go out there and some of these young

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Speaker 1: guys in high school, college, if they're in the right

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Speaker 1: guys notice in the game podcasting or radio. That's what

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Speaker 1: it's all about. Now, how do you monetize that that platform?

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Speaker 1: How do you monetize that those followers? So we don't

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Speaker 1: need to go to ESPN anymore. We don't need to

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Speaker 1: go to FS one anymore. We got our own platform,

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Speaker 1: we got our own distribution. It's fucking YouTube, it's Instagram,

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Speaker 1: it's tickto Hawk, right, So now it's about do you

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Speaker 1: have the foundation? Do you understand the best business practices

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Speaker 1: to build on top of that? UM, I recommend all

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Speaker 1: all every guy out there start their own YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: I recommend every guy out there don't take the Nike

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Speaker 1: There's only a handful of basketball players really making money

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Speaker 1: off the field. Off the court. There's only a handful

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Speaker 1: So go start your own brand and your own platform.

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Speaker 1: You have a moment in the game. You got guys

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Speaker 1: making three hundred thousand after the game on a T shirt.

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Speaker 1: D Now that's real. Like Das Brand made probably over

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman playing and with the Patriots made over ten

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Speaker 1: the game as a lot softer? Now? What do you

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Speaker 1: I think of what he was on the show, it's

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Speaker 1: cut block. We know that clock. So like you you

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Speaker 1: I'm wide receiver and I come cut you in your knees,

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Speaker 1: the offense can do a certain situation, suation. It's a

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Speaker 1: But you know you coming somebody coming at you full

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Speaker 1: how with the helmet did he get a penalty? He

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Speaker 1: get a fun I don't like it because, first of all,

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Speaker 1: it's making me think too much. And when you start thinking,

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Speaker 1: you get hurt. You start ducking your head, you start

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Speaker 1: putting your head in different places. Brandon's offensive got here.

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Speaker 1: Don't like get hit me. I like to wait, folks,

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Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. If I can't, you're

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Speaker 1: It don't even look right right now, and you can't

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Speaker 1: celebrate anymore. Right, you celebrate, you get a flag. No,

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Speaker 1: it's different now with the celebration. It used to be

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Speaker 1: like that, but now because they are they're embracing us.

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Speaker 1: the field. Um, so they're doing more there. But to

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Speaker 1: in the mirror just a little bit differently because now

423
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Speaker 1: you got you know, millions of dollars on the line,

424
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: you got you know, your legacy on the line, you

425
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: got your own goals on the line. So what you're

426
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna do. Some dudes look in the mirror and they say,

427
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: you know why, I'm a cantine go down the same

428
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: path and they asked, don't got nothing? And it's over.

429
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Some dude say, you know what, I want to figure

430
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: this out. So for me, I wanted to figure it

431
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: out for so many different reasons in the league and

432
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: it's and we were talking about this a little earlier,

433
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: like there's so many things that we have available to us.

434
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: But they made me go to get help and counseling.

435
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: But it was like four or five years though, four

436
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: or five years. One time I was talking to four

437
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: or five different people. I was like, just got a

438
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: d uy and they're like, oh, you got to talk

439
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: to this substance abuse person. So now I'm talking to

440
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 1: this person once a week. Then they talking to me,

441
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: have me talking to this you already know how it is,

442
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't, So the first four years

443
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. And then when I got to the Miami Dolphins, right,

444
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: and then I went to Ricky will I was like, damn,

445
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: rick I was like, because I couldn't control you know,

446
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: like how I talked, like you know, whatever I felt,

447
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: I said, Right, fucking coach says something to do something dumb,

448
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 1: like the fun we doing. So Ricky Williams, he just

449
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: came out with the documentary thirty for thirty, Right, So

450
00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: soon as I got traded there, signed thisties of extension,

451
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: forty seven million dollars deal. Right as soon as I

452
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: touched down to Miami, he had this whole premiere and

453
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: so we all go there and he was talking about

454
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: mental health. Right. This is a dude that walked away

455
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: from millions of dollars and went and lived in a

456
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: tent in Australia, like what right? And then all of

457
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm seeing him now and he's a totally

458
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Speaker 1: different cat. So you're watching this documentary than you seeing

459
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: who Ricky william is today. Right fast forward to the season,

460
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: terrible season, and I just couldn't control. I was like,

461
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: I come in. I'm like, yo, you know, I ain't

462
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna say nothing. I know, coach gonna be on something terrible, something,

463
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: some bullshit. Let me not say nothing, and then I

464
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: would just boom say so. So I went to Rick

465
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: one day. I was like, damn, Rick. I was like,

466
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Speaker 1: do you think I'm by polar or something? You're right

467
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about his documentary. He said, na be,

468
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: I don't think you by polar. I just think you

469
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: say the things that we all want to say but

470
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't say. So I was like, show okay. So it's like,

471
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: who's that dog that doctor Gunderson? Like you recommend I

472
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: go talk to him. He's like, I don't know, man,

473
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, you just say the things

474
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: that we all want to say and shouldn't say. So

475
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: that offseason, I end up going to mcclainton Hospital in Waltham, Massachusetts,

476
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: and I sat down and they walked me through. I

477
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: did a clinical evaluation, a neurological evaluation. UM, I was

478
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Speaker 1: in my mentalization therapies. I was up there for three

479
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Speaker 1: months in an outpatient program, and you know I was outpatient. No,

480
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: I had my own apartment, I move my whole team

481
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: up to everything I had. Yeah, So so I get

482
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: there and and right off top. I was diagnosed with

483
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: borderline personalities or the best way he described as the

484
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: emotional disorder. Can you regulate your emotions? Can you cope?

485
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: Can you cope with what's going on? Do you have

486
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: the skills and tools? So what happens is you go

487
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: in these programs. Some people in patient, some people need medicine,

488
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: some people outpatients. Some people was a mixture of both.

489
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Speaker 1: For me. I was up there for three months in

490
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Speaker 1: an outpatient program. I was in dialectical behavior therapy. Dialectical

491
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Speaker 1: behavior your therapy is this group therapy that teaches you

492
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Speaker 1: the skills and tools to be able to cope some

493
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: people and a lot of us. And that's what I

494
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: mean by environmental fucking shit's going on outside? Can you

495
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: Can I look at you and say, bro, you hurt

496
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: my feelings? Can I look at you and say, man like,

497
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: let me just breathe, give me a second, let me

498
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: go on the walk, and then I'm gonna come back

499
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: and we can pick this up. No, what we do?

500
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: We just respond right, we're reacted. I should let me

501
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: say that not respond, We react, right, So that's what

502
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: dialect to behavior therapy teach us. Then there's mentalization therapy.

503
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: A lot of us is black and white. We just

504
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: stuck in our ways. So it helps you with your ration. Now,

505
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: help you process things. Then you got caged in behavior therapy.

506
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Speaker 1: Then you got self assessment. Self assessment is just a

507
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Speaker 1: group therapy. Were sitting around and just talk a lot

508
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: of us don't even talk. Do you know how powerful

509
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: that is? Just talking looking at you and saying it's

510
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: what's going on in my life? Right? That was probably

511
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the most profound thing I've ever gone through. Forget mentalization therapy,

512
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: cagingive behavior therapy or DBT. It was just sitting in

513
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Speaker 1: self assessment listening to people talk. I love CBT, right,

514
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: what about you back mane? Um I went through all

515
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: of that was a little different. Um. My whole thing

516
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: was the by polar thing and my mom was taking medicine.

517
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Speaker 1: This is the fucking fucked up part about it. My

518
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: mom had been taken by polar medicine for the last

519
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I think it never told me same't here

520
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: my dad same Like I'm up in McClean house, fiddle

521
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: and they said I'm by, I said, I ain't know.

522
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Speaker 1: I ain't. They asked me anybody my family A boy

523
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: polo like no, ain't nobody by polar My mom like, yeah,

524
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I've been taking this medicine since you was in the

525
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Speaker 1: seven six ground. I'm my bro. Why I tell me,

526
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: probably half of my life would have been a lot

527
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: better if I knew that already fucked up. If I

528
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: knew that I had something wrong and I can kind

529
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: of grab it, you know what I mean, and get

530
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: it under control, I think that I would have been

531
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: ten times better than what I am right now, because

532
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: all right, I know I have an issue, then I

533
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: know what triggers it. You know what I mean. But

534
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: if you don't know that, man, it's it's a lot

535
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: of people that's from the hood and the NY City

536
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: that parents are taking different meds and they're not telling

537
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: their kids what they're taking. Already been diagnosed before I

538
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: can say anything to any parent, man, be honest with

539
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: your kids, open dialogue of any mental or any health

540
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: diagnosis or situations that you have. Because it might not

541
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: sound like a big thing, but shit lingers down. It's

542
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: like almost eighty five percent if your parents got it

543
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna have. But but first, I think it starts

544
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: with I mean there's a stigma around mental health, right,

545
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: so first they don't feel comfortable sharing it with their

546
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: children because they haven't accepted it. First, Right, Damn you're

547
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: talking about I'm borderline, I'm a bipolar, I'm living with

548
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: anxiety or depression. If I tell you, if I tell

549
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: the world, like they're gonna look down on me. Right, So, like,

550
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: I think it starts first. I think there are some

551
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: parents out there that need to disclose that and talk

552
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: about those things. But I think it really, really really

553
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: stigmatizes people accepting that there's three hundred and twenty million

554
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: Americans give or take a few, and fucking almost one

555
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty is living with something, right, And you

556
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: don't even have to have a diagnosis to actually have

557
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: your life be a living hell. Like you could just

558
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: be dealing with stress. You could be just dealing with

559
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: marital challenge. You could be dealing with just work problems.

560
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: You just got laid off. What are you gonna do?

561
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: How are you gonna cope with that? Right? You fellas

562
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: got to go. So we gotta ask a couple of questions.

563
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: Football season this ship. Yeah, well, you think it's gonna

564
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: take it this year? Cowboys? Baby? How Boys did? Cowboys?

565
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: He said that every year. I'm consistent. Do you really

566
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be the Eagles? Hell? I think I

567
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: think the Eagle is gonna go to the Super Bowl.

568
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: I think that the Super Bowl. I think the Eagles

569
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: about the Bells. People are missaying the Bills. Eagles do

570
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: look good, though. I think the Bills lose to my Bengals.

571
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: M hmm. So he said, he said, your pick is

572
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles, Bengals, Super Bowl, Eagles, Bengers. Okay, okay, I'm

573
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna go with Russell Wilson, Uh, Denver Broncos. That's right. Yeah,

574
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with them Boys, and then I'm gonna

575
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: go with uh damn. I'm gonna go with the Rams

576
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: to go back. I really want Todd Bowls black head coach,

577
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: head coach of the Jets for a while when I

578
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: was playing. I want him to get his with Tom Brady.

579
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: But but I think it's gonna be the Rams and

580
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the Broncos. What do you think of

581
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: Brady's decision to come back after retiring. I think you

582
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: should have left I think it should have been a rap.

583
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: You think it's gonna be like the Jordan when Jordan

584
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: came back forty five. I want to see she should

585
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: have left after the seventh ring. That's it going on top. Yeah,

586
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: I felt like it was impulsive, felt like it was

587
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: something deeper, you know what I'm saying, Like he always

588
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna play tillim forty five or this this

589
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: age or whatever, and you know what it really was, bro,

590
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: I know what it got home? He was wrong. I'm

591
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna be going for them days at this weekend, right, Yeah? No,

592
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's the first time. I mean

593
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: we're trying to get in y'all lane, and you know

594
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: what you guys been doing is legendary, right, Like you guys,

595
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, have this amazing place and culture and you

596
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: know now you're saying athletes do it more. And I

597
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: think the next step for us is to connect with

598
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: our audience. So going live UM its special. How many

599
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: times do we get texts and tweets where it's like, yo,

600
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I wish I was there? Can I come pull up

601
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: on the show? Right, So this is an opportunity to

602
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: do it. September tenth, we we're gonna make announcement. We

603
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: got a couple of local, big time athletes come in

604
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: and you know, an artist, so it's gonna be cool.

605
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: Where is it. It's at City Winery. So it's at

606
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: City City Winery. You go to City Citywinery dot com.

607
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: You go to our Iron Athlete Instagram page, hit the

608
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: link and everything is right there where you can get

609
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: your seat. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be nice. Y'all gotta

610
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: come back man and build some more wh y'all got

611
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: some more time whenever you for sure? Associate Brandon Marshall's

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Speaker 1: pac Man Jones. It is the Breakfast Club. Good morning,