Speaker 1: Where's my green hat? I want my lucky hat. Give
Speaker 1: for the fucking hat. Why don't you here? I found it.
Speaker 1: I was sitting on it. Sunglasses next in my lucky
Speaker 1: green hat. The sunglasses are huge, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: I pull my shoulder length hair into a low ponytail
Speaker 1: and pull a light gray face guard over my mouth.
Speaker 1: All right, we're ready. Let's go now. We pop out
Speaker 1: of the subaru and make it to the door in
Speaker 1: two big steps. We leave the car running right by
Speaker 1: the front entrance. Dylan goes in front, and my job
Speaker 1: is to secure the door and make sure no one
Speaker 1: comes in or out. Big mistake, that is my adrenaline
Speaker 1: starts pumping. I feel invincible. I feel power surging through
Speaker 1: my body. This is like a drug. Jesus, get a
Speaker 1: fucking grip. The bank employees stare at me. Mouth's open.
Speaker 1: I said, get down, and when they don't get down
Speaker 1: fast enough, I pull the trigger of the machine pistol.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio and Katie Studios, Episode five, What's Your Magic Number?
Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with
Speaker 1: Stephanie Lidecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on
Speaker 1: The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have
Speaker 1: agreed to tell their story for the very first time,
Speaker 1: each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Docherty is at the
Speaker 1: Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in
Speaker 1: the US Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty is
Speaker 1: at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina. This
Speaker 1: call was from the federal prison. At that point, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I was thinking. It was just a whirlwind.
Speaker 1: Several hours after the shooting in the car chase, the
Speaker 1: siblings crossed the state line into Georgia and managed to
Speaker 1: elude police. They headed north and found a quiet, small
Speaker 1: town bank in Baldosta. Dylan continues how he picked a bank.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, you know, in a Walmart
Speaker 1: parking lot had multiple hanxits and you know, entranced and
Speaker 1: there was no cops in the parking lot. You know,
Speaker 1: that's there all the strategical planning that went into and
Speaker 1: I know, we looked at one bank and there was
Speaker 1: a copt. We're gonna rob next one, you know what?
Speaker 1: I mean, like I was looking to have an issue
Speaker 1: altercation with the police, you know, trying to not have that,
Speaker 1: but it was all getting too real, and Ryan, the youngest,
Speaker 1: was in a panic. We're suiting up in the parking lot,
Speaker 1: like right next to it and like a Walmart parking lot,
Speaker 1: and like shipped my guts out, like right up next
Speaker 1: to the side of the car, like old diarrhea, nervous,
Speaker 1: watery gut ship from about to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll do crazy things, but like my nerves aren't good.
Speaker 1: I mean, just because you're scared of something doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you don't do it. It's just kind of what it is.
Speaker 1: So I was scared to go rob that bank, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But did I have a choice, Not that I could see.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever would have had the
Speaker 1: nuts to get out of the car if my brother
Speaker 1: and sister hadn't already been out of it before the
Speaker 1: wheel stopped rolling. They're out of the car and they're
Speaker 1: already into the bank. But time I fucking slammed the
Speaker 1: car at the park. So like I have no choice
Speaker 1: because my brother and sister are going in there to
Speaker 1: do something that's for me, that's for me. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm right on the raft. Unlike Ryan, Dylan felt confident
Speaker 1: and ready. I wasn't scared. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: the hardest part is opened the door and putting your
Speaker 1: foot on the ground. Once you do that, you're committed.
Speaker 1: Then you just carry through with the plan, which was
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. I mean, not like this is heat. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't. You know, it's not like there was like
Speaker 1: all this thought process and logistical you know, we did
Speaker 1: this and this and this. There wasn't any of that.
Speaker 1: It was just merely there it is, and we're just
Speaker 1: gonna walk in here. And I was. I was very
Speaker 1: calm when I came in. I literally I kept the
Speaker 1: door open. Looked quite a bit of force. I guess
Speaker 1: it kind of like a little four year you come
Speaker 1: through one set of doors and another set of doors,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, was, you know the doors are locked now,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna be stuck in here. And
Speaker 1: I don't even think they had that option. Dylan was
Speaker 1: carrying an AK forty seven and Lee Grace was armed
Speaker 1: with a machine pistol. Ryan held the bag for the cash.
Speaker 1: Just let it be none. This was a banker, arey,
Speaker 1: and you know, we needed, you know, get on board
Speaker 1: and me apart and open the drawers and such as such.
Speaker 1: Dylan took the lead, but things didn't go exactly as planned. Well.
Speaker 1: I was very calm when I came into the bank,
Speaker 1: and in fact, I was polite. I wasn't screaming. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why I fired the gun. Was in the
Speaker 1: first that says nobody was moving in and I was like, sorry, folks,
Speaker 1: is the robbery I'm gonna go. Indeed, the drawers opened up,
Speaker 1: and everybody was just sort of staring at me, like
Speaker 1: why this guy so polite? Why didn't you say I'm
Speaker 1: sorry and used me folks? And nobody was moving. And
Speaker 1: then the gun was discharged and everybody kind of snapped
Speaker 1: back to reality and was like, oh, this is actually
Speaker 1: a bank robbery. You know Ashton put your isn't in
Speaker 1: the poset waiting to chump out on us. So everybody
Speaker 1: started moving, everybody started open the drawers. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was pretty calm during the whole thing. Just that
Speaker 1: one shot into the drywall took it from three to
Speaker 1: a nine. And I would never even shot the gun
Speaker 1: at people moved when I asked him to think I
Speaker 1: had to come into and screaming and holler, and you
Speaker 1: know that would have been a better tactic, you know,
Speaker 1: and that I wouldn't had to shoot the gun. By
Speaker 1: the time, I was polite and everybody was sort of
Speaker 1: just sitting there, I think after the first gun shot.
Speaker 1: So I think they were just like, we want these
Speaker 1: people out of here and everybody's safe and sound. Obviously
Speaker 1: we get sent out to get caught. The point was
Speaker 1: to not be caught. But I feel like kind of
Speaker 1: did nothing. The light would've never been shown on it.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those things where it sometimes to
Speaker 1: get everybody's attention in the room, you have to shoot
Speaker 1: a gun. I don't know if it sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: producer Beth Greenwald spoke to Dylan all the guns that
Speaker 1: you had were legally purchased. Talk to me about your
Speaker 1: history of that, because I know you knew how to shoot. Gun.
Speaker 1: Safety is always important to me. Even if you look
Speaker 1: at the bank pictures of me home the gun, uh one,
Speaker 1: the gun is pointed to a safe direction, you know,
Speaker 1: it's pointed up at the ceiling. My finger isn't riding
Speaker 1: on the trigger, it's outside the trigger. Well, these are
Speaker 1: just proper gun safety techniques that I learned as a
Speaker 1: young child growing up in a household that had quite
Speaker 1: a few guns and proper gun safety. I got my
Speaker 1: first rifle when I was probably I think I was
Speaker 1: there five or six. I got a twenty two rifles
Speaker 1: from a biological father, and that's from my collecting guns
Speaker 1: started at that early game. Lee Grace brought her own
Speaker 1: logic to the robbery when she spoke with Beth and
Speaker 1: were you scared at all? I mean, you had never
Speaker 1: done anything like this in your life. I don't think
Speaker 1: I was scared. You know, you're in a situation where
Speaker 1: you see the look off people's faces and you realize
Speaker 1: that they're really scared, and it kind of makes you
Speaker 1: a little bit calm because you're like, well, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of in charge right now, and these people they have
Speaker 1: to do what I say, and you feel empathy for
Speaker 1: them because you don't want anybody to have to go
Speaker 1: through that. And you are the one with the gun,
Speaker 1: so I mean it kind of takes a little bit
Speaker 1: edge off, you know, that fear that you know maybe
Speaker 1: something bad will happen. I think when you're doing something
Speaker 1: like that, you're a journal and takes over when your
Speaker 1: body just says, well, this is what you're supposed to
Speaker 1: do and it just does that. So was I scared? No,
Speaker 1: there's so much a trinaline you don't have time to
Speaker 1: be a part of anything. Dylan remembers how Lee Grace
Speaker 1: failed to stick to the plan. I just said, just
Speaker 1: you know, stay on the door, and she police just
Speaker 1: yell and we'll know it's time to go. And I
Speaker 1: think I turned around. The doors shut, and I was like,
Speaker 1: where shouldn't exactly mind or post? But then again, adrenaline
Speaker 1: coursing through you, so you kind of do as you will.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, she's like seen and right behind
Speaker 1: me or close to me, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I turn around thinking the doors already shut.
Speaker 1: Here's Lee Grace speaking with producer Beth Greenwald with the
Speaker 1: bank robbery. Dylan told me that he told you to
Speaker 1: stay by the door. Tell me from when you walked
Speaker 1: in your recollection of that. As much as Dylan told
Speaker 1: me what is the correct thing to do or what
Speaker 1: he wants me to do, there's always that part of
Speaker 1: me that says, you know what, I'm the old as
Speaker 1: the family. I can be a leader. To let me
Speaker 1: do what I want. So I think as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw Dylan go into the middle of the bank,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I want to be right where Dylan is.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I ended up whiten him
Speaker 1: a smackdab the middle of things. To me, I thought
Speaker 1: I was by the door, but then I looked back.
Speaker 1: I have those little spill shots in my brain. I
Speaker 1: kind of was not at the door at all. I
Speaker 1: think I was really by the front incent of the bank. Well,
Speaker 1: Dylan kept the attention of the bank patrons and employees.
Speaker 1: Ryan leapt into action to get the money from the
Speaker 1: teller's here's Dylan. I know. Ryan went to jump over
Speaker 1: the counter and he's like, um, we have a deceased
Speaker 1: sidling here. And he's like obviously you know, trying to
Speaker 1: go over the counter and here, and he and was,
Speaker 1: you know, help me over. It turns out what Ryan
Speaker 1: thought was divine intervention from his deceased sister Aaron was
Speaker 1: really brotherly helped. I was like, no, that was me.
Speaker 1: I grabbed you away one arm, tossed you over. I've
Speaker 1: seen you're struggling, so I gave you a boost. I
Speaker 1: thought that I had mad hops because I cleared a
Speaker 1: counter that was every bit of like five ft tall.
Speaker 1: It was one of those counters that was like chest high. Right.
Speaker 1: I ran, and like, imagine if you posted with one
Speaker 1: hand and then elevated your body like a tilt and
Speaker 1: jumped over kind of like a side vault, and you're
Speaker 1: holding the bag and a gun and the other flung
Speaker 1: yourself over like that. See. I thought that that was
Speaker 1: all on my own. I thought I had mad hops
Speaker 1: and I was like super impressed with myself. I was like,
Speaker 1: hell ya, score one for adrenaline. And then later I
Speaker 1: find out that my brother had like took an in
Speaker 1: his hand and put it in the middle of my
Speaker 1: lower back and shoved me up over the counter at
Speaker 1: the same time I was doing that. And the odd
Speaker 1: thing is, it's not like I said, hey, bro, do
Speaker 1: this thing for me. It's just his mind and our
Speaker 1: work enough alike to where we don't necessarily always need
Speaker 1: to communicate in order to do things. In an odd
Speaker 1: turn of events, a bystanders saw Dylan in the bank.
Speaker 1: I waited stood in the doorway, and I remember there
Speaker 1: was a fellow walking down the street, and it was
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny because he looked at me.
Speaker 1: I saw me looking at him, and it was like
Speaker 1: we were both like, you know, looked at each other.
Speaker 1: And then he just looked straight forward. He just started
Speaker 1: to look a straight legged, fIF leg quick march straight
Speaker 1: down the road. He didn't get on his phone to
Speaker 1: call anybody. He didn't look back again. I'll never forget
Speaker 1: that A close call was averted in the trio moved quickly.
Speaker 1: Producer Beth Greenwal spoke to Dylan, how long were you guys?
Speaker 1: Even in the day, it feels like it wasn't more
Speaker 1: than about a minute. No, it wasn't long and all.
Speaker 1: It was in and out, grabb to hit the drawers
Speaker 1: and we and gone probably a minute and a half,
Speaker 1: maybe two minutes. I think that's another thing I wouldn't
Speaker 1: like tactically, you know, running a stop watch or nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, eighty seven second bandits or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It was in and out and quick. Um. I wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, so attent up on the blobby
Speaker 1: or anything. Stylan and I had briefly discussed it and
Speaker 1: we said we wanted to be in and out in
Speaker 1: sixty seconds. And whether or not he came up with
Speaker 1: that number, or whether or something that we discussed. He'd
Speaker 1: have to ask him, but I do know that it
Speaker 1: still is. Ryan cleaned out the towers, We spill out
Speaker 1: and just ran out. There wasn't any discussion about going
Speaker 1: in the ball. There wasn't any discussion about hurting anybody.
Speaker 1: There was no hot this situation. There was nothing of
Speaker 1: that because we didn't want people to see us. We
Speaker 1: didn't want people to be involved. We wanted to just
Speaker 1: be a clean plane robbery. It was surreal. It was
Speaker 1: kind of weird. You know, it's nothing that we'd like
Speaker 1: rehearse or scope it out or had some you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in that that they brought
Speaker 1: all these planes and you know, your tactical whatever, and
Speaker 1: and yet you're still a car. Here's Beth speaking to
Speaker 1: the grace. Did you leave the car running outside? Oh,
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. As soon as we got in the car,
Speaker 1: we pulled off. There was no stopping, there was no
Speaker 1: looking around. We actually just took off. As soon as
Speaker 1: my feet were off the payment, Ryan was already in motion.
Speaker 1: I mean he really had the pedal to the middle.
Speaker 1: And with Ryan there's no hesitation. Once he's driving, that's
Speaker 1: his goal. So he's not gonna be slowed down by
Speaker 1: anybody that's going to be lollygagging. Phil Needringhouse, it retired
Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI for nearly thirty years, was
Speaker 1: involved in the Doctor the case. It wasn't like they
Speaker 1: walked in and passed a note. They walked in since
Speaker 1: they had a Mac eleven and a K forty seven
Speaker 1: and a handgun and actually fired rounds in the bank.
Speaker 1: The FBI deals with a lot of bank robberies every
Speaker 1: day across the United States. But it isn't that offering
Speaker 1: that you have shots fired in a bank also super
Speaker 1: dangerous to everybody inside. So these three idiots did everything
Speaker 1: and they could to put themselves on the radar law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Dylan didn't quite grasp the gravity of the situation until
Speaker 1: much later. It's weird, Like what I'm thinking when Ibody
Speaker 1: tell you Robin Bank, I would be like, oh, we
Speaker 1: have a gun, and well, of course he had a
Speaker 1: Gunny Rock and Bany. But apparently there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that use a note or you know, coming with
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and they obviously get left time.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't I didn't google that. A lot
Speaker 1: of these people rob banks and notes. Now you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, we have more bank robberies than almost
Speaker 1: any place in the United States. So we were dealing
Speaker 1: with five or six bank robberies a week, and we
Speaker 1: had a group of agents and Task Force solciers that
Speaker 1: were primarily dealing with violent fugitives every day. So we
Speaker 1: knew about because of the national news coverage and stuff.
Speaker 1: The FBI put out that this group of three siblings
Speaker 1: had got involved in a shooting with law enforcement in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay area, Pasco County, Florida. And then we're suspected
Speaker 1: of having robbed a bank in Georgia. Once we realized
Speaker 1: how elevating our physician had becoming law enforcement, ye, I
Speaker 1: want to trying to rob another bank the next day
Speaker 1: or later that afternoon, we were starting to shift kind
Speaker 1: of lets cooled down, smer down a little bit. And
Speaker 1: obviously we didn't have a TV. And I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think how far along smart phones were. I want to
Speaker 1: say it was like maybe a second Apple phone. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was out there. Everybody had a BlackBerry or a sidekick,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like, you know, everybody now had anti
Speaker 1: media cunt fingertip. Detective sim Harris and the Pascal County
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office in Florida was trying to track the doperty
Speaker 1: since the shootout with police earlier that morning. We'd actually
Speaker 1: helped us that they robbed the bank. It was unfortunate,
Speaker 1: of course, but it actually helped us at the end
Speaker 1: of the day because it pointed us in a direction,
Speaker 1: so we were able to kind of escalate the bolow.
Speaker 1: We meaning, you know, as detectives here in Pasco, we
Speaker 1: had reached out to a t F involved because of
Speaker 1: the weapons circumstances, We had the FBI involved because of
Speaker 1: the bank robbery, and so we had a bunch of
Speaker 1: tips coming in. And then, of course, once we realized
Speaker 1: that they had left the state of Florida and robbed
Speaker 1: the bank in Valdosta, then we went back and issued
Speaker 1: a POLO through Inlets, which is the national law enforcement terminal,
Speaker 1: and we put it out f C I C n
Speaker 1: c I C across the United States in the event
Speaker 1: that they were traveling to other states, which as we
Speaker 1: found out, they were. Of course, the unfortunate thing was
Speaker 1: the bank was just off of the Interstate seventy five,
Speaker 1: so they could go north on seventy five all the
Speaker 1: way up into the Smoky Mountains up into Tennessee. They
Speaker 1: could have went a little bit further north to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: went across and got on and went up into the northeast.
Speaker 1: Or they could have went across I ten or an
Speaker 1: interstate north of that and went into Mississippi and Louisiana,
Speaker 1: Alabama going that direction. We honestly didn't know. We're going
Speaker 1: to take a quick break here. We'll be back in
Speaker 1: a moment. The Doperties were not sure where they were
Speaker 1: headed either. Ryan spoke to Beth, what state do you
Speaker 1: go to? I mean, you don't stay in Georgia? Right?
Speaker 1: Where were you guys? Honestly, man, it was just left
Speaker 1: and right. My brother was in charge of the atlas
Speaker 1: in the map. We were just driving around looking for
Speaker 1: likely places to either hit the next bank or just
Speaker 1: someplace to kind of lay low. And what people don't realize.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't go to a hotel because they
Speaker 1: require a credit card. I don't give a funk how
Speaker 1: CD crackhead, prostitute, two hour rental ship. They all require
Speaker 1: a credit card. It all requires your face to be seen.
Speaker 1: And the whole United States has got a cell phone
Speaker 1: and waiting a route on you for no other reason
Speaker 1: but to tell on you. Did you ever think about
Speaker 1: ditching the car and getting a different car? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: father crossed my mind the time or two? And why
Speaker 1: didn't you? Because they were looking for three siblings in
Speaker 1: a white super yeah four or vehicle is probably the
Speaker 1: most common vehicle in all the United States. And then
Speaker 1: to grab different tags off all the car lot isn't
Speaker 1: ship right. It's like two screws versus actually taking somebody
Speaker 1: else's vehicle, which you know you either have to catch
Speaker 1: him with the keys or not have to steal their car.
Speaker 1: And as good as I am at a few things,
Speaker 1: it actually takes a little bit of work to break
Speaker 1: that lock that's on the steering wheel, the steering lock.
Speaker 1: And then not only that, but like my car fevery skills,
Speaker 1: and after like the two thousands of after that becomes
Speaker 1: way too computerized for me to figure out how to steal.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a couple of screws and some wires
Speaker 1: like I can do it, and the chisel and a
Speaker 1: hammer and a price of steering lock. If it's past
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, I'm hit. I can't steal that.
Speaker 1: What about doing He was extremely mechanical. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but it means it's still the same problem. Essentially, you're
Speaker 1: just gonna end up having a car jack somebody. And
Speaker 1: then there's another point of contact. It's a vehicle that's
Speaker 1: an unknown quantity, is just like a quality vehicle? Or
Speaker 1: is this vehicle? How the oil change regularly? How am
Speaker 1: I going to be driving the vehicle? And my familiar
Speaker 1: driving it? Risk versus reward on the scale, and the
Speaker 1: risk doesn't always a cool the reward A different car
Speaker 1: certainly would have help, probably, but the risk for it
Speaker 1: versus the reward. You know what, how friends from the
Speaker 1: person to give up the keys, I think that they're
Speaker 1: going to play a cowboy and like keep away with
Speaker 1: you and I shoot him with a knee coup. This
Speaker 1: is not a good look. So how bad were their deeds?
Speaker 1: Dylan puts it in perspective, having a running shootout with
Speaker 1: the police it's like eleven, and then robbing a bank
Speaker 1: is probably like a nine. And then you know, riding
Speaker 1: a motorcycle on one tire a hundred and forty miles
Speaker 1: it's like a probably like a seven and a half.
Speaker 1: So now to kind of put it in the perspective
Speaker 1: like it or not. The gang was all in and
Speaker 1: they had to keep moving. We got on the interstate
Speaker 1: headed south and we got off about two eggits down
Speaker 1: and we started heading west out of Georgia, and we
Speaker 1: actually turned and went back into the pan Handle of
Speaker 1: Florida and skirted over And I think it was just
Speaker 1: too mainly to get out of the state because that
Speaker 1: we were right there to the close of the state line.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can here. It's kind of
Speaker 1: get loud here. I think you're still hear me, but
Speaker 1: I can hear you. I can hear you. We're just
Speaker 1: headed west, you know, the panhandle. The only reason we
Speaker 1: really did that was just to get out of the
Speaker 1: state because obviously does local these are gonna be looking.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna call Florida and be like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: just kind of robbed in Georgia, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not what's gonna be to inspire. So
Speaker 1: and at that point we're going southbound and we were
Speaker 1: moving fast. Jumped on the Interstate nys Sound and then
Speaker 1: it went across and pulled a you turn really fast,
Speaker 1: and we were made. There was a point where the
Speaker 1: grace is like well, maybe we just turn ourselves in,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I didn't think that was possible us,
Speaker 1: for I really thought that that window had to close
Speaker 1: for us in a ways, right Pully, So I don't
Speaker 1: think it personally. When you're shoot at the police, you
Speaker 1: have to understand then once you do that, you're opening
Speaker 1: that door. A lot of people have been shot and
Speaker 1: killed by the police and choked to death by the
Speaker 1: police and didn't do anything. Once we got over the
Speaker 1: state line, it was kind of one of those situations.
Speaker 1: We're just looking at each other. We're like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess we're gonna have to do this, and I think.
Speaker 1: You know, you're in a group dynamic and you have
Speaker 1: an incident happening, you make it away from that incident.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives you a feeling that you're invincible.
Speaker 1: You can't get caught because if they really wanted to
Speaker 1: catch you, or if they could catch you, they would
Speaker 1: already caught you. So it gives you that you fork
Speaker 1: freedom to kind of do something else. That spoke to
Speaker 1: sheriff not go of Pascal County. As it gets longer
Speaker 1: and longer into this crimes free, you get more concerned.
Speaker 1: At that point nobody had been hurt. Is this become
Speaker 1: more urgent. It's difficult to always be in the mind
Speaker 1: of somebody whos commating these crimes, but you're constantly trying
Speaker 1: to evaluate what are they thinking? So not aspect, they
Speaker 1: probably felt they couldn't communicate with loved ones because they
Speaker 1: knew the phones were not going to be a wise
Speaker 1: way to communicate. At the same time, social media was
Speaker 1: not going to be their best way. They probably were
Speaker 1: feeling that are running out of options. They already hit
Speaker 1: one bank, whatever money they had left. Eventually they're going
Speaker 1: to run out of So you're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what are their options, where they headed to, how desperate
Speaker 1: will they be? And the other part two is there's
Speaker 1: three individuals in a car committing crimes. Eventually every time
Speaker 1: they're gonna get on each other's terms, or all three
Speaker 1: of them just go their own separate ways. So your
Speaker 1: costa trying to think, I have from a psychological perspective,
Speaker 1: what are they planning in the do But I go
Speaker 1: back to it, we thought they were going to leave
Speaker 1: the country. That was the best way for him not
Speaker 1: to go back to prison, for them to live, not
Speaker 1: on their microscope of constantly being chased down by law enforcement.
Speaker 1: So it was that type fond of the family that
Speaker 1: people admired, but that type fond also didn't allow them
Speaker 1: to rationally think out a plan to say this may
Speaker 1: not work out well for us. Former FBI agent Leading House,
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing that people still rob banks the way
Speaker 1: they do. I mean, I think people rob banks because
Speaker 1: there's banks overwhere. You can stop at any major intersection
Speaker 1: and look up and see a bank. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: more banks than there are liquor stores. So that's part
Speaker 1: of why banks get up that you're going to rob
Speaker 1: a bank. You know there's going to be security of
Speaker 1: some sort, and you know there's gonna be cameras, and
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get the FBI chasing is so
Speaker 1: in the criminal mastermind world, that's a pretty poor choice
Speaker 1: for a way to get money is to go in
Speaker 1: to rob a bank. And the average bank robbery TAIG
Speaker 1: nationally is less than two thousand dollars. It's not like
Speaker 1: you're going in and hitting the bank and getting in
Speaker 1: the vault and getting a couple hundred thousand dollars. If
Speaker 1: you're hitting the teller drawers, I mean you're lucky to
Speaker 1: get to three thousand dollars. Here's Detective Harris. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: circumstance in Georgia was under the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
Speaker 1: Actually it fell under the FBI jurisdiction because of ad
Speaker 1: id insured than they understood certain things that they didd
Speaker 1: through a scope that was like how we look at things,
Speaker 1: and some of it was just an altered reality for them.
Speaker 1: You've put yourself in their shoes. They decided to run.
Speaker 1: First of all, that run, as we talked about, could
Speaker 1: have went a million different directions. But immediately they're pursued
Speaker 1: by a police officer, they get into a shootout, they
Speaker 1: flee from that, they travel up the interstate, they rob
Speaker 1: a faint in their minds, they're like modern day body
Speaker 1: and flies. So, like you said, there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on in their mind. But at the same time they're
Speaker 1: doing a lot of bad stuff. Law enforce than cast
Speaker 1: a wide not to find the armed in dangerous siblings.
Speaker 1: Here's Sheriff Naco. We knew they had to obtain cash somewhere,
Speaker 1: and that's where they went into the bank robbed it.
Speaker 1: For them to go into a bank is even more
Speaker 1: brazen than what we thought they would just hit a
Speaker 1: convenience store, but then they started following more in lineup.
Speaker 1: They're desperate, They're willing to do anything. But when it
Speaker 1: got into Georgia, I think that was the moment when
Speaker 1: people realized nationally that this wasn't just a Florida issue.
Speaker 1: This was getting into a national issue to find out
Speaker 1: where they were going to go next. And so that's
Speaker 1: where I think when we started seeing a lot bigger
Speaker 1: engagement by agencies across the country, but wanting this information,
Speaker 1: wonder what was happening, because they recognized that if they
Speaker 1: went into Georgia, where it was next, let's stop here
Speaker 1: for another quick break. We'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1: The Doperties reflected on their crimes Free Here's Ryan, followed
Speaker 1: by Dylan bos Call, which from let's say a prison,
Speaker 1: How have it been better planned out? What things have
Speaker 1: went better? Yeah? Maybe maybe not? Maybe people would have
Speaker 1: wound up yet And I find life to be precious.
Speaker 1: I'm able to casually discard my life right, but how
Speaker 1: I find other people's lives precious? I learned one thing
Speaker 1: about myself. I can run towards bullet. Not everybody can
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, at least I know, in my
Speaker 1: craffy situation, I'm able to still hold it together and function.
Speaker 1: And I said that like in passing to my attorney
Speaker 1: one time, and I could say I'm sorry to each
Speaker 1: one of those people, I would, But you know that
Speaker 1: the next day it's one of their better days. And
Speaker 1: what's crazy, they're still telling that story and Applebee's on
Speaker 1: Friday Night to this day, they're still they're still telling
Speaker 1: that bank robbery story. The Dougherty myth was becoming a reality,
Speaker 1: at least to them. Here's Beth talking to Kneed Dringhouse
Speaker 1: and looking at how they robbed the bank. They obviously
Speaker 1: understood what they were doing, but the way they did
Speaker 1: it seems like they saw it in a movie and
Speaker 1: thought that they could pull this off. You know, this
Speaker 1: is robbery, you know, shooting into the ceiling, all of that. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, usually people I'm in and they get a
Speaker 1: teller drawer, maybe two teller drawers. It's not like a bank.
Speaker 1: Teller's drawers stuff full of cash. The banks aren't stupid.
Speaker 1: They rotate that cash out and it goes to the
Speaker 1: vault or wherever. So, yeah, the average bank robberies aren't
Speaker 1: high dollar criminal propositions unless you're really organized takeover crew
Speaker 1: and you're getting behind the counter and cleaning out all
Speaker 1: the drawers, top and bottom drawers. Beth Astley Grace about
Speaker 1: the money. Were you guys driving away when you were
Speaker 1: counting it. I'm pretty sure it was a toolbag full
Speaker 1: of cash. I actually had wanted through it. I was
Speaker 1: stuffing most of the cash on my lap because Dylan
Speaker 1: telling me surry and counted. I want to see how
Speaker 1: much money was in there. And I started to count it.
Speaker 1: Dylan looking at me, and I'm counting the money. I'm
Speaker 1: realizing it's only five thousand. He's like, well, counted again.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, well counting again. You know, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: good at counting money. And he's looking at me. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him. I'm like, dude, it's only five thousands.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, count it one more time, you know,
Speaker 1: because we're like in this state of shop, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're thinking like forty dollars, and it was nowhere near out.
Speaker 1: So the whole planning of it, there wasn't no planning.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize is that when you're in a family crisis, you're
Speaker 1: not using logic, you're not motivated by the facts, You're
Speaker 1: motivated by emotions. And I think that's what costs a
Speaker 1: lot of people to make of these magnitudes, is that
Speaker 1: you're going purely by your emotions for your family and
Speaker 1: you're reacting. And I think that was our downfall. What's
Speaker 1: your magic number? Right, everybody's got a number. That's the
Speaker 1: funny thing, Right, everybody's got a number that they're like, Man,
Speaker 1: I could retire on that, right, or man, I'd be
Speaker 1: satisfied if I got that. And honestly, like a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred grand would have done it. Like anything north
Speaker 1: of like two fifty or three hundred grand would would
Speaker 1: have been enough at least for seed money to go.
Speaker 1: There's like, Okay, I'm gonna retire, and then there's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna invest. It's not well thought out. None of
Speaker 1: it was well planned, and you can tell by the
Speaker 1: actions that we did one or two times editivate me
Speaker 1: a professional, Thank Robert. I guess I was always under
Speaker 1: the impression that the money was just to get you
Speaker 1: across the border, but the money was to set you
Speaker 1: up yeah, exactly. I don't want to do all of
Speaker 1: this and riff life and live and go somewhere else
Speaker 1: and work. We were thinking San Diego would be a
Speaker 1: good place, um and then just cough and if you wanted,
Speaker 1: because we do know there is a large American presence
Speaker 1: there and we wouldn't have stuck out as much. Usually
Speaker 1: somebody would be slinking in the back seat, you know,
Speaker 1: Carla for shotgun, I think a big fear of ours
Speaker 1: who was actually getting to the border and getting into
Speaker 1: a shootout with a non American police force. The price
Speaker 1: of life down there is dirty totally that I don't
Speaker 1: speak Spanish. I'm an outsider wherever I go. You're mainly
Speaker 1: relying on the fact that you don't pop up on
Speaker 1: the radar, don't be noticeable. But if they want you
Speaker 1: bad enough, they'll just come get you. Nay more on
Speaker 1: that next time. If you're over eighteen years old and
Speaker 1: want to see pictures of Lee Grace and Ryan Dougherty
Speaker 1: or find their addresses to write them in prison, go
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Speaker 1: is executive produced by Stephanie lie Decker and me Courtney
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Speaker 1: Editing and sound design is by Jeff Ta, additional producing
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