WEBVTT - Episode 5 - What’s Your Magic Number 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:05.200 Where's my green hat? I want my lucky hat. Give 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.239 for the fucking hat. Why don't you here? I found it. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.959 I was sitting on it. Sunglasses next in my lucky 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.200 green hat. The sunglasses are huge, but I don't care. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.760 I pull my shoulder length hair into a low ponytail 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.960 and pull a light gray face guard over my mouth. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:27.280 All right, we're ready. Let's go now. We pop out 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:28.960 of the subaru and make it to the door in 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.680 two big steps. We leave the car running right by 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.320 the front entrance. Dylan goes in front, and my job 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.159 is to secure the door and make sure no one 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.440 comes in or out. Big mistake, that is my adrenaline 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.760 starts pumping. I feel invincible. I feel power surging through 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.360 my body. This is like a drug. Jesus, get a 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.320 fucking grip. The bank employees stare at me. Mouth's open. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.080 I said, get down, and when they don't get down 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.920 fast enough, I pull the trigger of the machine pistol. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.839 Welcome to the Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.839 Radio and Katie Studios, Episode five, What's Your Magic Number? 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.520 I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.440 Stephanie Lidecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.120 The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.880 agreed to tell their story for the very first time, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.120 each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Docherty is at the 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:33.560 Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:38.080 the US Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty is 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.920 at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina. This 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.240 call was from the federal prison. At that point, I 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.800 wouldn't say I was thinking. It was just a whirlwind. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.440 Several hours after the shooting in the car chase, the 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.120 siblings crossed the state line into Georgia and managed to 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.640 elude police. They headed north and found a quiet, small 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.640 town bank in Baldosta. Dylan continues how he picked a bank. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.440 I mean, I was like, you know, in a Walmart 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.680 parking lot had multiple hanxits and you know, entranced and 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.320 there was no cops in the parking lot. You know, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.480 that's there all the strategical planning that went into and 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:13.799 I know, we looked at one bank and there was 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.120 a copt. We're gonna rob next one, you know what? 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.440 I mean, like I was looking to have an issue 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.400 altercation with the police, you know, trying to not have that, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.680 but it was all getting too real, and Ryan, the youngest, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.760 was in a panic. We're suiting up in the parking lot, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.760 like right next to it and like a Walmart parking lot, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.240 and like shipped my guts out, like right up next 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.880 to the side of the car, like old diarrhea, nervous, 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.239 watery gut ship from about to do it. You know, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.280 I'll do crazy things, but like my nerves aren't good. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.000 I mean, just because you're scared of something doesn't mean 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.679 you don't do it. It's just kind of what it is. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.239 So I was scared to go rob that bank, absolutely, 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.480 But did I have a choice, Not that I could see. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:53.359 I don't know if I ever would have had the 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:54.799 nuts to get out of the car if my brother 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.600 and sister hadn't already been out of it before the 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.960 wheel stopped rolling. They're out of the car and they're 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.160 already into the bank. But time I fucking slammed the 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.520 car at the park. So like I have no choice 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.919 because my brother and sister are going in there to 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.799 do something that's for me, that's for me. So yeah, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.960 I'm right on the raft. Unlike Ryan, Dylan felt confident 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.440 and ready. I wasn't scared. I mean, like I said, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.000 the hardest part is opened the door and putting your 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.240 foot on the ground. Once you do that, you're committed. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.679 Then you just carry through with the plan, which was 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.400 pretty straightforward. I mean, not like this is heat. You know, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.519 we didn't. You know, it's not like there was like 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.320 all this thought process and logistical you know, we did 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.480 this and this and this. There wasn't any of that. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.600 It was just merely there it is, and we're just 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.200 gonna walk in here. And I was. I was very 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.640 calm when I came in. I literally I kept the 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.800 door open. Looked quite a bit of force. I guess 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.480 it kind of like a little four year you come 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.440 through one set of doors and another set of doors, 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.040 and I'm thinking, was, you know the doors are locked now, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.280 you know, and we're gonna be stuck in here. And 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.840 I don't even think they had that option. Dylan was 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.280 carrying an AK forty seven and Lee Grace was armed 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.400 with a machine pistol. Ryan held the bag for the cash. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.840 Just let it be none. This was a banker, arey, 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:01.640 and you know, we needed, you know, get on board 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.000 and me apart and open the drawers and such as such. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.520 Dylan took the lead, but things didn't go exactly as planned. Well. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.160 I was very calm when I came into the bank, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.160 and in fact, I was polite. I wasn't screaming. That's 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:14.640 the reason why I fired the gun. Was in the 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.839 first that says nobody was moving in and I was like, sorry, folks, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.000 is the robbery I'm gonna go. Indeed, the drawers opened up, 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.680 and everybody was just sort of staring at me, like 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.440 why this guy so polite? Why didn't you say I'm 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.160 sorry and used me folks? And nobody was moving. And 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.120 then the gun was discharged and everybody kind of snapped 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:30.960 back to reality and was like, oh, this is actually 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.040 a bank robbery. You know Ashton put your isn't in 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.520 the poset waiting to chump out on us. So everybody 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.080 started moving, everybody started open the drawers. I felt like 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.320 I was pretty calm during the whole thing. Just that 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.480 one shot into the drywall took it from three to 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.599 a nine. And I would never even shot the gun 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.760 at people moved when I asked him to think I 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.760 had to come into and screaming and holler, and you 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.040 know that would have been a better tactic, you know, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:54.680 and that I wouldn't had to shoot the gun. By 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.640 the time, I was polite and everybody was sort of 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.720 just sitting there, I think after the first gun shot. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.400 So I think they were just like, we want these 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.280 people out of here and everybody's safe and sound. Obviously 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.080 we get sent out to get caught. The point was 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.480 to not be caught. But I feel like kind of 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.520 did nothing. The light would've never been shown on it. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:11.560 It's like one of those things where it sometimes to 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.440 get everybody's attention in the room, you have to shoot 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.560 a gun. I don't know if it sounds crazy, but 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.560 producer Beth Greenwald spoke to Dylan all the guns that 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.920 you had were legally purchased. Talk to me about your 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.680 history of that, because I know you knew how to shoot. Gun. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.080 Safety is always important to me. Even if you look 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.840 at the bank pictures of me home the gun, uh one, 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.120 the gun is pointed to a safe direction, you know, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.000 it's pointed up at the ceiling. My finger isn't riding 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.880 on the trigger, it's outside the trigger. Well, these are 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.320 just proper gun safety techniques that I learned as a 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.680 young child growing up in a household that had quite 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.160 a few guns and proper gun safety. I got my 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.800 first rifle when I was probably I think I was 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.080 there five or six. I got a twenty two rifles 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.159 from a biological father, and that's from my collecting guns 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.560 started at that early game. Lee Grace brought her own 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.240 logic to the robbery when she spoke with Beth and 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.160 were you scared at all? I mean, you had never 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.520 done anything like this in your life. I don't think 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.080 I was scared. You know, you're in a situation where 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.240 you see the look off people's faces and you realize 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.480 that they're really scared, and it kind of makes you 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.720 a little bit calm because you're like, well, I'm kind 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.520 of in charge right now, and these people they have 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.600 to do what I say, and you feel empathy for 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.600 them because you don't want anybody to have to go 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.000 through that. And you are the one with the gun, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.560 so I mean it kind of takes a little bit 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.520 edge off, you know, that fear that you know maybe 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.080 something bad will happen. I think when you're doing something 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.760 like that, you're a journal and takes over when your 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.600 body just says, well, this is what you're supposed to 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.400 do and it just does that. So was I scared? No, 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.280 there's so much a trinaline you don't have time to 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.200 be a part of anything. Dylan remembers how Lee Grace 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.960 failed to stick to the plan. I just said, just 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.080 you know, stay on the door, and she police just 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.480 yell and we'll know it's time to go. And I 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.000 think I turned around. The doors shut, and I was like, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:02.440 where shouldn't exactly mind or post? But then again, adrenaline 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.480 coursing through you, so you kind of do as you will. 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.119 Next thing, you know, she's like seen and right behind 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:08.760 me or close to me, and I was like, well, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.960 you know, I turn around thinking the doors already shut. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.520 Here's Lee Grace speaking with producer Beth Greenwald with the 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.360 bank robbery. Dylan told me that he told you to 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.679 stay by the door. Tell me from when you walked 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.040 in your recollection of that. As much as Dylan told 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.200 me what is the correct thing to do or what 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.760 he wants me to do, there's always that part of 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.480 me that says, you know what, I'm the old as 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.000 the family. I can be a leader. To let me 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.480 do what I want. So I think as soon as 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.560 I saw Dylan go into the middle of the bank, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.960 I said, hey, I want to be right where Dylan is. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.000 And that's kind of how I ended up whiten him 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.960 a smackdab the middle of things. To me, I thought 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.000 I was by the door, but then I looked back. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.680 I have those little spill shots in my brain. I 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.720 kind of was not at the door at all. I 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:56.480 think I was really by the front incent of the bank. Well, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.000 Dylan kept the attention of the bank patrons and employees. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.320 Ryan leapt into action to get the money from the 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.960 teller's here's Dylan. I know. Ryan went to jump over 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.840 the counter and he's like, um, we have a deceased 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.600 sidling here. And he's like obviously you know, trying to 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.240 go over the counter and here, and he and was, 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.800 you know, help me over. It turns out what Ryan 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.160 thought was divine intervention from his deceased sister Aaron was 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.280 really brotherly helped. I was like, no, that was me. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.560 I grabbed you away one arm, tossed you over. I've 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.800 seen you're struggling, so I gave you a boost. I 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.360 thought that I had mad hops because I cleared a 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.600 counter that was every bit of like five ft tall. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.360 It was one of those counters that was like chest high. Right. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.439 I ran, and like, imagine if you posted with one 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.400 hand and then elevated your body like a tilt and 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.439 jumped over kind of like a side vault, and you're 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.160 holding the bag and a gun and the other flung 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.520 yourself over like that. See. I thought that that was 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.560 all on my own. I thought I had mad hops 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.800 and I was like super impressed with myself. I was like, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.160 hell ya, score one for adrenaline. And then later I 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.040 find out that my brother had like took an in 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.520 his hand and put it in the middle of my 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.000 lower back and shoved me up over the counter at 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.440 the same time I was doing that. And the odd 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.360 thing is, it's not like I said, hey, bro, do 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.280 this thing for me. It's just his mind and our 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.200 work enough alike to where we don't necessarily always need 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.400 to communicate in order to do things. In an odd 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.920 turn of events, a bystanders saw Dylan in the bank. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.720 I waited stood in the doorway, and I remember there 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.079 was a fellow walking down the street, and it was 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:29.880 it was kind of funny because he looked at me. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.079 I saw me looking at him, and it was like 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.160 we were both like, you know, looked at each other. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.760 And then he just looked straight forward. He just started 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.040 to look a straight legged, fIF leg quick march straight 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.679 down the road. He didn't get on his phone to 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.080 call anybody. He didn't look back again. I'll never forget 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.000 that A close call was averted in the trio moved quickly. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.280 Producer Beth Greenwal spoke to Dylan, how long were you guys? 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.520 Even in the day, it feels like it wasn't more 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.120 than about a minute. No, it wasn't long and all. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.680 It was in and out, grabb to hit the drawers 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.520 and we and gone probably a minute and a half, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.320 maybe two minutes. I think that's another thing I wouldn't 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.080 like tactically, you know, running a stop watch or nothing, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.640 you know, eighty seven second bandits or anything like that. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.880 It was in and out and quick. Um. I wasn't 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.120 trying to, you know, so attent up on the blobby 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.480 or anything. Stylan and I had briefly discussed it and 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.079 we said we wanted to be in and out in 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.679 sixty seconds. And whether or not he came up with 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.559 that number, or whether or something that we discussed. He'd 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.160 have to ask him, but I do know that it 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.439 still is. Ryan cleaned out the towers, We spill out 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.439 and just ran out. There wasn't any discussion about going 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.559 in the ball. There wasn't any discussion about hurting anybody. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.480 There was no hot this situation. There was nothing of 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.520 that because we didn't want people to see us. We 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.120 didn't want people to be involved. We wanted to just 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.120 be a clean plane robbery. It was surreal. It was 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.839 kind of weird. You know, it's nothing that we'd like 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.679 rehearse or scope it out or had some you know, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.200 there's a lot of people in that that they brought 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.760 all these planes and you know, your tactical whatever, and 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.640 and yet you're still a car. Here's Beth speaking to 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.360 the grace. Did you leave the car running outside? Oh, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.839 of course. Yeah. As soon as we got in the car, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.839 we pulled off. There was no stopping, there was no 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.080 looking around. We actually just took off. As soon as 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.839 my feet were off the payment, Ryan was already in motion. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.280 I mean he really had the pedal to the middle. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.800 And with Ryan there's no hesitation. Once he's driving, that's 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.800 his goal. So he's not gonna be slowed down by 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.640 anybody that's going to be lollygagging. Phil Needringhouse, it retired 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.480 special agent with the FBI for nearly thirty years, was 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.880 involved in the Doctor the case. It wasn't like they 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.760 walked in and passed a note. They walked in since 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.320 they had a Mac eleven and a K forty seven 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.679 and a handgun and actually fired rounds in the bank. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.400 The FBI deals with a lot of bank robberies every 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.440 day across the United States. But it isn't that offering 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.680 that you have shots fired in a bank also super 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.959 dangerous to everybody inside. So these three idiots did everything 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.640 and they could to put themselves on the radar law enforcement. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.760 Dylan didn't quite grasp the gravity of the situation until 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.280 much later. It's weird, Like what I'm thinking when Ibody 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:10.880 tell you Robin Bank, I would be like, oh, we 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:11.920 have a gun, and well, of course he had a 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.040 Gunny Rock and Bany. But apparently there's a lot of 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.319 people that use a note or you know, coming with 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.680 a piece of paper and they obviously get left time. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.440 You know, I didn't I didn't google that. A lot 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.400 of these people rob banks and notes. Now you know 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.360 what I mean, we have more bank robberies than almost 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.840 any place in the United States. So we were dealing 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.280 with five or six bank robberies a week, and we 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.719 had a group of agents and Task Force solciers that 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.079 were primarily dealing with violent fugitives every day. So we 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.839 knew about because of the national news coverage and stuff. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.679 The FBI put out that this group of three siblings 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.280 had got involved in a shooting with law enforcement in 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:51.360 Tampa Bay area, Pasco County, Florida. And then we're suspected 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.840 of having robbed a bank in Georgia. Once we realized 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.839 how elevating our physician had becoming law enforcement, ye, I 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.040 want to trying to rob another bank the next day 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.920 or later that afternoon, we were starting to shift kind 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.199 of lets cooled down, smer down a little bit. And 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.640 obviously we didn't have a TV. And I'm trying to 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.280 think how far along smart phones were. I want to 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.600 say it was like maybe a second Apple phone. I mean, 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.559 I was out there. Everybody had a BlackBerry or a sidekick, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.280 so it wasn't like, you know, everybody now had anti 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.040 media cunt fingertip. Detective sim Harris and the Pascal County 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.600 Sheriff's Office in Florida was trying to track the doperty 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.960 since the shootout with police earlier that morning. We'd actually 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.239 helped us that they robbed the bank. It was unfortunate, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.400 of course, but it actually helped us at the end 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.080 of the day because it pointed us in a direction, 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.520 so we were able to kind of escalate the bolow. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.040 We meaning, you know, as detectives here in Pasco, we 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.760 had reached out to a t F involved because of 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.760 the weapons circumstances, We had the FBI involved because of 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.400 the bank robbery, and so we had a bunch of 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.880 tips coming in. And then, of course, once we realized 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.160 that they had left the state of Florida and robbed 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.280 the bank in Valdosta, then we went back and issued 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.360 a POLO through Inlets, which is the national law enforcement terminal, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.719 and we put it out f C I C n 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.480 c I C across the United States in the event 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.120 that they were traveling to other states, which as we 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.480 found out, they were. Of course, the unfortunate thing was 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.360 the bank was just off of the Interstate seventy five, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.760 so they could go north on seventy five all the 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.440 way up into the Smoky Mountains up into Tennessee. They 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.760 could have went a little bit further north to Atlanta, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.440 went across and got on and went up into the northeast. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.200 Or they could have went across I ten or an 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.600 interstate north of that and went into Mississippi and Louisiana, 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:54.200 Alabama going that direction. We honestly didn't know. We're going 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.400 to take a quick break here. We'll be back in 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:06.920 a moment. The Doperties were not sure where they were 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.320 headed either. Ryan spoke to Beth, what state do you 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.280 go to? I mean, you don't stay in Georgia? Right? 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.160 Where were you guys? Honestly, man, it was just left 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.680 and right. My brother was in charge of the atlas 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.880 in the map. We were just driving around looking for 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.280 likely places to either hit the next bank or just 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.800 someplace to kind of lay low. And what people don't realize. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.040 It's like you can't go to a hotel because they 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.120 require a credit card. I don't give a funk how 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.320 CD crackhead, prostitute, two hour rental ship. They all require 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.800 a credit card. It all requires your face to be seen. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.920 And the whole United States has got a cell phone 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.920 and waiting a route on you for no other reason 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.400 but to tell on you. Did you ever think about 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.200 ditching the car and getting a different car? Yeah, that 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.080 father crossed my mind the time or two? And why 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.640 didn't you? Because they were looking for three siblings in 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.000 a white super yeah four or vehicle is probably the 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.560 most common vehicle in all the United States. And then 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.120 to grab different tags off all the car lot isn't 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.160 ship right. It's like two screws versus actually taking somebody 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.520 else's vehicle, which you know you either have to catch 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.360 him with the keys or not have to steal their car. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:09.960 And as good as I am at a few things, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.840 it actually takes a little bit of work to break 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.200 that lock that's on the steering wheel, the steering lock. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.960 And then not only that, but like my car fevery skills, 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.600 and after like the two thousands of after that becomes 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.920 way too computerized for me to figure out how to steal. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.400 You're talking about a couple of screws and some wires 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.080 like I can do it, and the chisel and a 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.400 hammer and a price of steering lock. If it's past 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.560 two thousand and two, I'm hit. I can't steal that. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.200 What about doing He was extremely mechanical. Yeah, I know, 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.280 but it means it's still the same problem. Essentially, you're 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.480 just gonna end up having a car jack somebody. And 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.040 then there's another point of contact. It's a vehicle that's 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.760 an unknown quantity, is just like a quality vehicle? Or 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.720 is this vehicle? How the oil change regularly? How am 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.720 I going to be driving the vehicle? And my familiar 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.880 driving it? Risk versus reward on the scale, and the 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.320 risk doesn't always a cool the reward A different car 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.240 certainly would have help, probably, but the risk for it 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.400 versus the reward. You know what, how friends from the 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.160 person to give up the keys, I think that they're 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:03.960 going to play a cowboy and like keep away with 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:05.600 you and I shoot him with a knee coup. This 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.560 is not a good look. So how bad were their deeds? 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.000 Dylan puts it in perspective, having a running shootout with 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.320 the police it's like eleven, and then robbing a bank 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.040 is probably like a nine. And then you know, riding 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.560 a motorcycle on one tire a hundred and forty miles 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.120 it's like a probably like a seven and a half. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.000 So now to kind of put it in the perspective 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.119 like it or not. The gang was all in and 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.200 they had to keep moving. We got on the interstate 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.160 headed south and we got off about two eggits down 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.920 and we started heading west out of Georgia, and we 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.600 actually turned and went back into the pan Handle of 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.920 Florida and skirted over And I think it was just 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:46.920 too mainly to get out of the state because that 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.760 we were right there to the close of the state line. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.080 I don't know if you can here. It's kind of 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.440 get loud here. I think you're still hear me, but 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.440 I can hear you. I can hear you. We're just 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.639 headed west, you know, the panhandle. The only reason we 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.119 really did that was just to get out of the 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.760 state because obviously does local these are gonna be looking. 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:02.360 They're not gonna call Florida and be like, hey, we're 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:03.840 just kind of robbed in Georgia, you know what I mean. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:05.680 That's not that's not what's gonna be to inspire. So 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.560 and at that point we're going southbound and we were 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.320 moving fast. Jumped on the Interstate nys Sound and then 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.640 it went across and pulled a you turn really fast, 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.440 and we were made. There was a point where the 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.440 grace is like well, maybe we just turn ourselves in, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.639 And I was like, I didn't think that was possible us, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.960 for I really thought that that window had to close 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.160 for us in a ways, right Pully, So I don't 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.200 think it personally. When you're shoot at the police, you 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.359 have to understand then once you do that, you're opening 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.240 that door. A lot of people have been shot and 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.280