1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Where's my green hat? I want my lucky hat. Give 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: for the fucking hat. Why don't you here? I found it. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: I was sitting on it. Sunglasses next in my lucky 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: green hat. The sunglasses are huge, but I don't care. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: I pull my shoulder length hair into a low ponytail 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: and pull a light gray face guard over my mouth. 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: All right, we're ready. Let's go now. We pop out 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: of the subaru and make it to the door in 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: two big steps. We leave the car running right by 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the front entrance. Dylan goes in front, and my job 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: is to secure the door and make sure no one 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: comes in or out. Big mistake, that is my adrenaline 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: starts pumping. I feel invincible. I feel power surging through 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: my body. This is like a drug. Jesus, get a 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: fucking grip. The bank employees stare at me. Mouth's open. 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: I said, get down, and when they don't get down 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: fast enough, I pull the trigger of the machine pistol. 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: Radio and Katie Studios, Episode five, What's Your Magic Number? 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Stephanie Lidecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: agreed to tell their story for the very first time, 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Docherty is at the 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the US Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty is 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina. This 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: call was from the federal prison. At that point, I 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't say I was thinking. It was just a whirlwind. 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: Several hours after the shooting in the car chase, the 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: siblings crossed the state line into Georgia and managed to 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: elude police. They headed north and found a quiet, small 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: town bank in Baldosta. Dylan continues how he picked a bank. 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, you know, in a Walmart 35 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: parking lot had multiple hanxits and you know, entranced and 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: there was no cops in the parking lot. You know, 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: that's there all the strategical planning that went into and 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: I know, we looked at one bank and there was 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: a copt. We're gonna rob next one, you know what? 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like I was looking to have an issue 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: altercation with the police, you know, trying to not have that, 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: but it was all getting too real, and Ryan, the youngest, 43 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: was in a panic. We're suiting up in the parking lot, 44 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: like right next to it and like a Walmart parking lot, 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: and like shipped my guts out, like right up next 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: to the side of the car, like old diarrhea, nervous, 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: watery gut ship from about to do it. You know, 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: I'll do crazy things, but like my nerves aren't good. 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, just because you're scared of something doesn't mean 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: you don't do it. It's just kind of what it is. 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: So I was scared to go rob that bank, absolutely, 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: But did I have a choice, Not that I could see. 53 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever would have had the 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: nuts to get out of the car if my brother 55 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: and sister hadn't already been out of it before the 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: wheel stopped rolling. They're out of the car and they're 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: already into the bank. But time I fucking slammed the 58 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: car at the park. So like I have no choice 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: because my brother and sister are going in there to 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: do something that's for me, that's for me. So yeah, 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm right on the raft. Unlike Ryan, Dylan felt confident 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: and ready. I wasn't scared. I mean, like I said, 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: the hardest part is opened the door and putting your 64 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: foot on the ground. Once you do that, you're committed. 65 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: Then you just carry through with the plan, which was 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. I mean, not like this is heat. You know, 67 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: we didn't. You know, it's not like there was like 68 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: all this thought process and logistical you know, we did 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: this and this and this. There wasn't any of that. 70 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: It was just merely there it is, and we're just 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: gonna walk in here. And I was. I was very 72 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: calm when I came in. I literally I kept the 73 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: door open. Looked quite a bit of force. I guess 74 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: it kind of like a little four year you come 75 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: through one set of doors and another set of doors, 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, was, you know the doors are locked now, 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna be stuck in here. And 78 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't even think they had that option. Dylan was 79 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: carrying an AK forty seven and Lee Grace was armed 80 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: with a machine pistol. Ryan held the bag for the cash. 81 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Just let it be none. This was a banker, arey, 82 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: and you know, we needed, you know, get on board 83 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: and me apart and open the drawers and such as such. 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: Dylan took the lead, but things didn't go exactly as planned. Well. 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: I was very calm when I came into the bank, 86 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: and in fact, I was polite. I wasn't screaming. That's 87 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: the reason why I fired the gun. Was in the 88 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: first that says nobody was moving in and I was like, sorry, folks, 89 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: is the robbery I'm gonna go. Indeed, the drawers opened up, 90 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: and everybody was just sort of staring at me, like 91 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: why this guy so polite? Why didn't you say I'm 92 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: sorry and used me folks? And nobody was moving. And 93 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: then the gun was discharged and everybody kind of snapped 94 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: back to reality and was like, oh, this is actually 95 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: a bank robbery. You know Ashton put your isn't in 96 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the poset waiting to chump out on us. So everybody 97 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: started moving, everybody started open the drawers. I felt like 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I was pretty calm during the whole thing. Just that 99 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: one shot into the drywall took it from three to 100 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: a nine. And I would never even shot the gun 101 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: at people moved when I asked him to think I 102 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: had to come into and screaming and holler, and you 103 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: know that would have been a better tactic, you know, 104 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: and that I wouldn't had to shoot the gun. By 105 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: the time, I was polite and everybody was sort of 106 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: just sitting there, I think after the first gun shot. 107 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: So I think they were just like, we want these 108 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: people out of here and everybody's safe and sound. Obviously 109 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: we get sent out to get caught. The point was 110 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: to not be caught. But I feel like kind of 111 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: did nothing. The light would've never been shown on it. 112 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: It's like one of those things where it sometimes to 113 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: get everybody's attention in the room, you have to shoot 114 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: a gun. I don't know if it sounds crazy, but 115 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: producer Beth Greenwald spoke to Dylan all the guns that 116 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: you had were legally purchased. Talk to me about your 117 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: history of that, because I know you knew how to shoot. Gun. 118 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: Safety is always important to me. Even if you look 119 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: at the bank pictures of me home the gun, uh one, 120 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the gun is pointed to a safe direction, you know, 121 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: it's pointed up at the ceiling. My finger isn't riding 122 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: on the trigger, it's outside the trigger. Well, these are 123 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: just proper gun safety techniques that I learned as a 124 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: young child growing up in a household that had quite 125 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: a few guns and proper gun safety. I got my 126 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: first rifle when I was probably I think I was 127 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: there five or six. I got a twenty two rifles 128 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: from a biological father, and that's from my collecting guns 129 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: started at that early game. Lee Grace brought her own 130 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: logic to the robbery when she spoke with Beth and 131 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: were you scared at all? I mean, you had never 132 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: done anything like this in your life. I don't think 133 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: I was scared. You know, you're in a situation where 134 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: you see the look off people's faces and you realize 135 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: that they're really scared, and it kind of makes you 136 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: a little bit calm because you're like, well, I'm kind 137 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: of in charge right now, and these people they have 138 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: to do what I say, and you feel empathy for 139 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: them because you don't want anybody to have to go 140 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: through that. And you are the one with the gun, 141 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: so I mean it kind of takes a little bit 142 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: edge off, you know, that fear that you know maybe 143 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: something bad will happen. I think when you're doing something 144 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: like that, you're a journal and takes over when your 145 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: body just says, well, this is what you're supposed to 146 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: do and it just does that. So was I scared? No, 147 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: there's so much a trinaline you don't have time to 148 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: be a part of anything. Dylan remembers how Lee Grace 149 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: failed to stick to the plan. I just said, just 150 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, stay on the door, and she police just 151 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: yell and we'll know it's time to go. And I 152 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: think I turned around. The doors shut, and I was like, 153 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: where shouldn't exactly mind or post? But then again, adrenaline 154 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: coursing through you, so you kind of do as you will. 155 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, she's like seen and right behind 156 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: me or close to me, and I was like, well, 157 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, I turn around thinking the doors already shut. 158 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: Here's Lee Grace speaking with producer Beth Greenwald with the 159 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: bank robbery. Dylan told me that he told you to 160 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: stay by the door. Tell me from when you walked 161 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: in your recollection of that. As much as Dylan told 162 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: me what is the correct thing to do or what 163 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: he wants me to do, there's always that part of 164 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: me that says, you know what, I'm the old as 165 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: the family. I can be a leader. To let me 166 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: do what I want. So I think as soon as 167 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: I saw Dylan go into the middle of the bank, 168 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: I said, hey, I want to be right where Dylan is. 169 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I ended up whiten him 170 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: a smackdab the middle of things. To me, I thought 171 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: I was by the door, but then I looked back. 172 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: I have those little spill shots in my brain. I 173 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of was not at the door at all. I 174 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: think I was really by the front incent of the bank. Well, 175 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: Dylan kept the attention of the bank patrons and employees. 176 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: Ryan leapt into action to get the money from the 177 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: teller's here's Dylan. I know. Ryan went to jump over 178 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: the counter and he's like, um, we have a deceased 179 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: sidling here. And he's like obviously you know, trying to 180 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: go over the counter and here, and he and was, 181 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, help me over. It turns out what Ryan 182 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: thought was divine intervention from his deceased sister Aaron was 183 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: really brotherly helped. I was like, no, that was me. 184 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: I grabbed you away one arm, tossed you over. I've 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: seen you're struggling, so I gave you a boost. I 186 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: thought that I had mad hops because I cleared a 187 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: counter that was every bit of like five ft tall. 188 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: It was one of those counters that was like chest high. Right. 189 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: I ran, and like, imagine if you posted with one 190 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: hand and then elevated your body like a tilt and 191 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: jumped over kind of like a side vault, and you're 192 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: holding the bag and a gun and the other flung 193 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: yourself over like that. See. I thought that that was 194 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: all on my own. I thought I had mad hops 195 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: and I was like super impressed with myself. I was like, 196 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: hell ya, score one for adrenaline. And then later I 197 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: find out that my brother had like took an in 198 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: his hand and put it in the middle of my 199 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: lower back and shoved me up over the counter at 200 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: the same time I was doing that. And the odd 201 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: thing is, it's not like I said, hey, bro, do 202 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: this thing for me. It's just his mind and our 203 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: work enough alike to where we don't necessarily always need 204 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: to communicate in order to do things. In an odd 205 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: turn of events, a bystanders saw Dylan in the bank. 206 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: I waited stood in the doorway, and I remember there 207 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: was a fellow walking down the street, and it was 208 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny because he looked at me. 209 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: I saw me looking at him, and it was like 210 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: we were both like, you know, looked at each other. 211 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: And then he just looked straight forward. He just started 212 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: to look a straight legged, fIF leg quick march straight 213 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: down the road. He didn't get on his phone to 214 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: call anybody. He didn't look back again. I'll never forget 215 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: that A close call was averted in the trio moved quickly. 216 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Producer Beth Greenwal spoke to Dylan, how long were you guys? 217 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Even in the day, it feels like it wasn't more 218 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: than about a minute. No, it wasn't long and all. 219 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: It was in and out, grabb to hit the drawers 220 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: and we and gone probably a minute and a half, 221 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: maybe two minutes. I think that's another thing I wouldn't 222 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: like tactically, you know, running a stop watch or nothing, 223 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, eighty seven second bandits or anything like that. 224 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: It was in and out and quick. Um. I wasn't 225 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, so attent up on the blobby 226 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: or anything. Stylan and I had briefly discussed it and 227 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: we said we wanted to be in and out in 228 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: sixty seconds. And whether or not he came up with 229 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: that number, or whether or something that we discussed. He'd 230 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: have to ask him, but I do know that it 231 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: still is. Ryan cleaned out the towers, We spill out 232 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: and just ran out. There wasn't any discussion about going 233 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: in the ball. There wasn't any discussion about hurting anybody. 234 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: There was no hot this situation. There was nothing of 235 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: that because we didn't want people to see us. We 236 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: didn't want people to be involved. We wanted to just 237 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: be a clean plane robbery. It was surreal. It was 238 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: kind of weird. You know, it's nothing that we'd like 239 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: rehearse or scope it out or had some you know, 240 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in that that they brought 241 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: all these planes and you know, your tactical whatever, and 242 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: and yet you're still a car. Here's Beth speaking to 243 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: the grace. Did you leave the car running outside? Oh, 244 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. As soon as we got in the car, 245 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: we pulled off. There was no stopping, there was no 246 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: looking around. We actually just took off. As soon as 247 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: my feet were off the payment, Ryan was already in motion. 248 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean he really had the pedal to the middle. 249 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: And with Ryan there's no hesitation. Once he's driving, that's 250 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: his goal. So he's not gonna be slowed down by 251 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: anybody that's going to be lollygagging. Phil Needringhouse, it retired 252 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI for nearly thirty years, was 253 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: involved in the Doctor the case. It wasn't like they 254 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: walked in and passed a note. They walked in since 255 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: they had a Mac eleven and a K forty seven 256 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: and a handgun and actually fired rounds in the bank. 257 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: The FBI deals with a lot of bank robberies every 258 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: day across the United States. But it isn't that offering 259 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: that you have shots fired in a bank also super 260 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: dangerous to everybody inside. So these three idiots did everything 261 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: and they could to put themselves on the radar law enforcement. 262 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Dylan didn't quite grasp the gravity of the situation until 263 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: much later. It's weird, Like what I'm thinking when Ibody 264 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: tell you Robin Bank, I would be like, oh, we 265 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: have a gun, and well, of course he had a 266 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: Gunny Rock and Bany. But apparently there's a lot of 267 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: people that use a note or you know, coming with 268 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: a piece of paper and they obviously get left time. 269 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't I didn't google that. A lot 270 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: of these people rob banks and notes. Now you know 271 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, we have more bank robberies than almost 272 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: any place in the United States. So we were dealing 273 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: with five or six bank robberies a week, and we 274 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: had a group of agents and Task Force solciers that 275 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: were primarily dealing with violent fugitives every day. So we 276 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: knew about because of the national news coverage and stuff. 277 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: The FBI put out that this group of three siblings 278 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: had got involved in a shooting with law enforcement in 279 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay area, Pasco County, Florida. And then we're suspected 280 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: of having robbed a bank in Georgia. Once we realized 281 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: how elevating our physician had becoming law enforcement, ye, I 282 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: want to trying to rob another bank the next day 283 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: or later that afternoon, we were starting to shift kind 284 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: of lets cooled down, smer down a little bit. And 285 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: obviously we didn't have a TV. And I'm trying to 286 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: think how far along smart phones were. I want to 287 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: say it was like maybe a second Apple phone. I mean, 288 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: I was out there. Everybody had a BlackBerry or a sidekick, 289 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like, you know, everybody now had anti 290 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: media cunt fingertip. Detective sim Harris and the Pascal County 291 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office in Florida was trying to track the doperty 292 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: since the shootout with police earlier that morning. We'd actually 293 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,239 Speaker 1: helped us that they robbed the bank. It was unfortunate, 294 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: of course, but it actually helped us at the end 295 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: of the day because it pointed us in a direction, 296 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: so we were able to kind of escalate the bolow. 297 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: We meaning, you know, as detectives here in Pasco, we 298 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: had reached out to a t F involved because of 299 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: the weapons circumstances, We had the FBI involved because of 300 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: the bank robbery, and so we had a bunch of 301 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: tips coming in. And then, of course, once we realized 302 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: that they had left the state of Florida and robbed 303 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: the bank in Valdosta, then we went back and issued 304 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: a POLO through Inlets, which is the national law enforcement terminal, 305 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: and we put it out f C I C n 306 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: c I C across the United States in the event 307 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: that they were traveling to other states, which as we 308 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: found out, they were. Of course, the unfortunate thing was 309 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: the bank was just off of the Interstate seventy five, 310 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: so they could go north on seventy five all the 311 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: way up into the Smoky Mountains up into Tennessee. They 312 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: could have went a little bit further north to Atlanta, 313 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: went across and got on and went up into the northeast. 314 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: Or they could have went across I ten or an 315 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: interstate north of that and went into Mississippi and Louisiana, 316 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: Alabama going that direction. We honestly didn't know. We're going 317 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: to take a quick break here. We'll be back in 318 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: a moment. The Doperties were not sure where they were 319 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: headed either. Ryan spoke to Beth, what state do you 320 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: go to? I mean, you don't stay in Georgia? Right? 321 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: Where were you guys? Honestly, man, it was just left 322 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: and right. My brother was in charge of the atlas 323 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: in the map. We were just driving around looking for 324 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: likely places to either hit the next bank or just 325 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: someplace to kind of lay low. And what people don't realize. 326 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: It's like you can't go to a hotel because they 327 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: require a credit card. I don't give a funk how 328 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: CD crackhead, prostitute, two hour rental ship. They all require 329 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: a credit card. It all requires your face to be seen. 330 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: And the whole United States has got a cell phone 331 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: and waiting a route on you for no other reason 332 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: but to tell on you. Did you ever think about 333 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: ditching the car and getting a different car? Yeah, that 334 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: father crossed my mind the time or two? And why 335 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't you? Because they were looking for three siblings in 336 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: a white super yeah four or vehicle is probably the 337 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: most common vehicle in all the United States. And then 338 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: to grab different tags off all the car lot isn't 339 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: ship right. It's like two screws versus actually taking somebody 340 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: else's vehicle, which you know you either have to catch 341 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: him with the keys or not have to steal their car. 342 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: And as good as I am at a few things, 343 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: it actually takes a little bit of work to break 344 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: that lock that's on the steering wheel, the steering lock. 345 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: And then not only that, but like my car fevery skills, 346 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: and after like the two thousands of after that becomes 347 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: way too computerized for me to figure out how to steal. 348 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: You're talking about a couple of screws and some wires 349 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: like I can do it, and the chisel and a 350 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: hammer and a price of steering lock. If it's past 351 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, I'm hit. I can't steal that. 352 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: What about doing He was extremely mechanical. Yeah, I know, 353 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: but it means it's still the same problem. Essentially, you're 354 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: just gonna end up having a car jack somebody. And 355 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: then there's another point of contact. It's a vehicle that's 356 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: an unknown quantity, is just like a quality vehicle? Or 357 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: is this vehicle? How the oil change regularly? How am 358 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: I going to be driving the vehicle? And my familiar 359 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: driving it? Risk versus reward on the scale, and the 360 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: risk doesn't always a cool the reward A different car 361 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: certainly would have help, probably, but the risk for it 362 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: versus the reward. You know what, how friends from the 363 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: person to give up the keys, I think that they're 364 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: going to play a cowboy and like keep away with 365 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: you and I shoot him with a knee coup. This 366 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: is not a good look. So how bad were their deeds? 367 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: Dylan puts it in perspective, having a running shootout with 368 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: the police it's like eleven, and then robbing a bank 369 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: is probably like a nine. And then you know, riding 370 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: a motorcycle on one tire a hundred and forty miles 371 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: it's like a probably like a seven and a half. 372 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: So now to kind of put it in the perspective 373 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: like it or not. The gang was all in and 374 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: they had to keep moving. We got on the interstate 375 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: headed south and we got off about two eggits down 376 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: and we started heading west out of Georgia, and we 377 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: actually turned and went back into the pan Handle of 378 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: Florida and skirted over And I think it was just 379 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: too mainly to get out of the state because that 380 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: we were right there to the close of the state line. 381 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can here. It's kind of 382 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: get loud here. I think you're still hear me, but 383 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: I can hear you. I can hear you. We're just 384 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: headed west, you know, the panhandle. The only reason we 385 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: really did that was just to get out of the 386 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: state because obviously does local these are gonna be looking. 387 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: They're not gonna call Florida and be like, hey, we're 388 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: just kind of robbed in Georgia, you know what I mean. 389 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: That's not that's not what's gonna be to inspire. So 390 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: and at that point we're going southbound and we were 391 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: moving fast. Jumped on the Interstate nys Sound and then 392 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: it went across and pulled a you turn really fast, 393 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: and we were made. There was a point where the 394 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: grace is like well, maybe we just turn ourselves in, 395 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: And I was like, I didn't think that was possible us, 396 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: for I really thought that that window had to close 397 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: for us in a ways, right Pully, So I don't 398 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: think it personally. When you're shoot at the police, you 399 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: have to understand then once you do that, you're opening 400 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: that door. A lot of people have been shot and 401 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: killed by the police and choked to death by the 402 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: police and didn't do anything. Once we got over the 403 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: state line, it was kind of one of those situations. 404 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: We're just looking at each other. We're like, well, I 405 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: guess we're gonna have to do this, and I think. 406 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, you're in a group dynamic and you have 407 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: an incident happening, you make it away from that incident. 408 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: It kind of gives you a feeling that you're invincible. 409 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: You can't get caught because if they really wanted to 410 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: catch you, or if they could catch you, they would 411 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: already caught you. So it gives you that you fork 412 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: freedom to kind of do something else. That spoke to 413 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: sheriff not go of Pascal County. As it gets longer 414 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: and longer into this crimes free, you get more concerned. 415 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: At that point nobody had been hurt. Is this become 416 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: more urgent. It's difficult to always be in the mind 417 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: of somebody whos commating these crimes, but you're constantly trying 418 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: to evaluate what are they thinking? So not aspect, they 419 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: probably felt they couldn't communicate with loved ones because they 420 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: knew the phones were not going to be a wise 421 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: way to communicate. At the same time, social media was 422 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: not going to be their best way. They probably were 423 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: feeling that are running out of options. They already hit 424 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: one bank, whatever money they had left. Eventually they're going 425 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: to run out of So you're trying to figure out 426 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: what are their options, where they headed to, how desperate 427 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: will they be? And the other part two is there's 428 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: three individuals in a car committing crimes. Eventually every time 429 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna get on each other's terms, or all three 430 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: of them just go their own separate ways. So your 431 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: costa trying to think, I have from a psychological perspective, 432 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: what are they planning in the do But I go 433 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: back to it, we thought they were going to leave 434 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: the country. That was the best way for him not 435 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: to go back to prison, for them to live, not 436 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: on their microscope of constantly being chased down by law enforcement. 437 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: So it was that type fond of the family that 438 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: people admired, but that type fond also didn't allow them 439 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: to rationally think out a plan to say this may 440 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: not work out well for us. Former FBI agent Leading House, 441 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing that people still rob banks the way 442 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: they do. I mean, I think people rob banks because 443 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: there's banks overwhere. You can stop at any major intersection 444 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: and look up and see a bank. I mean, there's 445 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: more banks than there are liquor stores. So that's part 446 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: of why banks get up that you're going to rob 447 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: a bank. You know there's going to be security of 448 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: some sort, and you know there's gonna be cameras, and 449 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get the FBI chasing is so 450 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: in the criminal mastermind world, that's a pretty poor choice 451 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: for a way to get money is to go in 452 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: to rob a bank. And the average bank robbery TAIG 453 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: nationally is less than two thousand dollars. It's not like 454 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: you're going in and hitting the bank and getting in 455 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: the vault and getting a couple hundred thousand dollars. If 456 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: you're hitting the teller drawers, I mean you're lucky to 457 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: get to three thousand dollars. Here's Detective Harris. Obviously, the 458 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: circumstance in Georgia was under the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. 459 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: Actually it fell under the FBI jurisdiction because of ad 460 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: id insured than they understood certain things that they didd 461 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: through a scope that was like how we look at things, 462 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: and some of it was just an altered reality for them. 463 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: You've put yourself in their shoes. They decided to run. 464 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: First of all, that run, as we talked about, could 465 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: have went a million different directions. But immediately they're pursued 466 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: by a police officer, they get into a shootout, they 467 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: flee from that, they travel up the interstate, they rob 468 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: a faint in their minds, they're like modern day body 469 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: and flies. So, like you said, there's a lot going 470 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: on in their mind. But at the same time they're 471 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: doing a lot of bad stuff. Law enforce than cast 472 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: a wide not to find the armed in dangerous siblings. 473 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: Here's Sheriff Naco. We knew they had to obtain cash somewhere, 474 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: and that's where they went into the bank robbed it. 475 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: For them to go into a bank is even more 476 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: brazen than what we thought they would just hit a 477 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: convenience store, but then they started following more in lineup. 478 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: They're desperate, They're willing to do anything. But when it 479 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: got into Georgia, I think that was the moment when 480 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: people realized nationally that this wasn't just a Florida issue. 481 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: This was getting into a national issue to find out 482 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: where they were going to go next. And so that's 483 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: where I think when we started seeing a lot bigger 484 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: engagement by agencies across the country, but wanting this information, 485 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: wonder what was happening, because they recognized that if they 486 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: went into Georgia, where it was next, let's stop here 487 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: for another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. 488 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: The Doperties reflected on their crimes Free Here's Ryan, followed 489 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: by Dylan bos Call, which from let's say a prison, 490 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: How have it been better planned out? What things have 491 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: went better? Yeah? Maybe maybe not? Maybe people would have 492 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: wound up yet And I find life to be precious. 493 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm able to casually discard my life right, but how 494 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: I find other people's lives precious? I learned one thing 495 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: about myself. I can run towards bullet. Not everybody can 496 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, at least I know, in my 497 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: craffy situation, I'm able to still hold it together and function. 498 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: And I said that like in passing to my attorney 499 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: one time, and I could say I'm sorry to each 500 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: one of those people, I would, But you know that 501 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: the next day it's one of their better days. And 502 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: what's crazy, they're still telling that story and Applebee's on 503 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: Friday Night to this day, they're still they're still telling 504 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: that bank robbery story. The Dougherty myth was becoming a reality, 505 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: at least to them. Here's Beth talking to Kneed Dringhouse 506 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: and looking at how they robbed the bank. They obviously 507 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: understood what they were doing, but the way they did 508 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: it seems like they saw it in a movie and 509 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: thought that they could pull this off. You know, this 510 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: is robbery, you know, shooting into the ceiling, all of that. Yeah. So, 511 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean, usually people I'm in and they get a 512 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: teller drawer, maybe two teller drawers. It's not like a bank. 513 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: Teller's drawers stuff full of cash. The banks aren't stupid. 514 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: They rotate that cash out and it goes to the 515 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: vault or wherever. So, yeah, the average bank robberies aren't 516 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: high dollar criminal propositions unless you're really organized takeover crew 517 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: and you're getting behind the counter and cleaning out all 518 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: the drawers, top and bottom drawers. Beth Astley Grace about 519 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: the money. Were you guys driving away when you were 520 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: counting it. I'm pretty sure it was a toolbag full 521 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: of cash. I actually had wanted through it. I was 522 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: stuffing most of the cash on my lap because Dylan 523 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: telling me surry and counted. I want to see how 524 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: much money was in there. And I started to count it. 525 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Dylan looking at me, and I'm counting the money. I'm 526 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: realizing it's only five thousand. He's like, well, counted again. 527 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, well counting again. You know, I'm pretty 528 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: good at counting money. And he's looking at me. I'm 529 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: looking at him. I'm like, dude, it's only five thousands. 530 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: He's like, man, count it one more time, you know, 531 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: because we're like in this state of shop, like, you know, 532 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: we're thinking like forty dollars, and it was nowhere near out. 533 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: So the whole planning of it, there wasn't no planning. 534 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of people don't 535 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: realize is that when you're in a family crisis, you're 536 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: not using logic, you're not motivated by the facts, You're 537 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: motivated by emotions. And I think that's what costs a 538 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: lot of people to make of these magnitudes, is that 539 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: you're going purely by your emotions for your family and 540 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: you're reacting. And I think that was our downfall. What's 541 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: your magic number? Right, everybody's got a number. That's the 542 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: funny thing, Right, everybody's got a number that they're like, Man, 543 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: I could retire on that, right, or man, I'd be 544 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: satisfied if I got that. And honestly, like a couple 545 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: of hundred grand would have done it. Like anything north 546 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: of like two fifty or three hundred grand would would 547 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: have been enough at least for seed money to go. 548 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: There's like, Okay, I'm gonna retire, and then there's okay, 549 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna invest. It's not well thought out. None of 550 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: it was well planned, and you can tell by the 551 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: actions that we did one or two times editivate me 552 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: a professional, Thank Robert. I guess I was always under 553 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: the impression that the money was just to get you 554 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: across the border, but the money was to set you 555 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: up yeah, exactly. I don't want to do all of 556 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: this and riff life and live and go somewhere else 557 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: and work. We were thinking San Diego would be a 558 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: good place, um and then just cough and if you wanted, 559 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: because we do know there is a large American presence 560 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: there and we wouldn't have stuck out as much. Usually 561 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: somebody would be slinking in the back seat, you know, 562 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: Carla for shotgun, I think a big fear of ours 563 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: who was actually getting to the border and getting into 564 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: a shootout with a non American police force. The price 565 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: of life down there is dirty totally that I don't 566 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: speak Spanish. I'm an outsider wherever I go. You're mainly 567 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: relying on the fact that you don't pop up on 568 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: the radar, don't be noticeable. But if they want you 569 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: bad enough, they'll just come get you. Nay more on 570 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: that next time. If you're over eighteen years old and 571 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: want to see pictures of Lee Grace and Ryan Dougherty 572 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: or find their addresses to write them in prison, go 573 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: to our Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. 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