Speaker 1: Hello, This is Richard mclin smith here. Unexplained. Season seven
Speaker 1: has now finished, but we'll be back on Friday, September
Speaker 1: sixth to begin season eight. In the meantime, I'm replaying
Speaker 1: some of my favorite episodes from the archives. I'm currently
Speaker 1: working on an adaptation of Unexplained for TV as a
Speaker 1: standalone drama in its own right. The idea is to
Speaker 1: create a story and a world all of its own,
Speaker 1: while also drawing on many of the incredible stories that
Speaker 1: have featured in the show. However, if I was going
Speaker 1: to take one story and adapt it for TV, I
Speaker 1: always felt there was something quietly compelling about the following
Speaker 1: episode that was perfect for television. The other world of
Speaker 1: Welsh mythology, known as an Oven, is said to be
Speaker 1: populated with a vast array of creatures, including fairies and serpents.
Speaker 1: It is also said that there is one place, more
Speaker 1: than any other where the bridge between our world and
Speaker 1: there is at its thinnest. That place is the Berwin Mountains.
Speaker 1: This is Unexplained, Season five, episode ten, in the Shadow
Speaker 1: of the Mountain. The Berwin Mountains have always been a
Speaker 1: liminal place, a place caught between worlds where prehistoric humans
Speaker 1: once roamed and bizarre tales of high strangeness are woven
Speaker 1: into the land. Caught between the Welsh wilds of Snowdonia
Speaker 1: to the west and the border lands of Wales and
Speaker 1: England to the east. It is a place where myth
Speaker 1: and magic simmer beneath the surface, where fact and fiction blur,
Speaker 1: hinting at something more. All cultures talk of other worlds,
Speaker 1: places beyond the one we know, and Welsh mythology is
Speaker 1: no different. Often, such places like Kerr, the Sumerian land
Speaker 1: of the Dead, or Hades of Greek mythology, are distinctly
Speaker 1: separate from the realm of the living. These were depictions
Speaker 1: of the afterlife, lands that only the dead could truly inhabit.
Speaker 1: The other world of Welsh mythology, or ar Noon, as
Speaker 1: it is known, is something quite different, not so much
Speaker 1: another plain, but another dimension, coexisting with ours and populated
Speaker 1: with other living creatures existing in their own right. Ar Noon,
Speaker 1: also called anothern thought to derive from the Welsh word
Speaker 1: meaning deep in English, features prominently in the four branches
Speaker 1: of the Mabinogi, a collection of stories in prose dating
Speaker 1: back to the eleventh century, considered to be the earliest
Speaker 1: of its kind in British literature. In the First Branch,
Speaker 1: ar Noon is depicted as a paradisical land, ruled over
Speaker 1: by a king named our Own, and located somewhere in
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of DevD, a former region of what is
Speaker 1: now southwest Wales. In the ancient poem prethee Anoven the
Speaker 1: Spoils of anothern thought to have originated sometime around nine
Speaker 1: hundred see an early iteration of the mythical legend, King
Speaker 1: Arthur travels across the sea to this mysterious place. There
Speaker 1: during his quest in search of a magical cauldron, we
Speaker 1: learn that Arnoun is also home to a race of fairyfolk,
Speaker 1: and in the Welsh epic Cadgothi, in which the magician
Speaker 1: Gwydion does battle with King Arone of Arnoun, the citizens
Speaker 1: of the mystical land are depicted as something altogether different.
Speaker 1: They were wide moored beasts bearing a hundred heads and
Speaker 1: black groined toads bearing a hundred claws, or in other cases, mottled,
Speaker 1: ridged serpents with a hun hundred souls trapped inside the
Speaker 1: folds of their skin. Are Noon is variously depicted as
Speaker 1: being located on an island or somewhere deep in the earth,
Speaker 1: with a small number of gateways to this other world
Speaker 1: said to be scattered across the four corners of the land.
Speaker 1: Over time, however, it became increasingly associated with the North
Speaker 1: of Wales. Writing in Wales and Arthurian Legend, Roger Loomis declares,
Speaker 1: in Arthur's time and before that, the people of South
Speaker 1: Wales regarded North Wales as pre eminently the land of
Speaker 1: the fairy. In the popular imagination, that distant country was
Speaker 1: the abode of giants, monsters, magicians, and all the creatures
Speaker 1: of enchantment. Out of it came the fairies on their
Speaker 1: visits to the sunny lands of the South. And curiously,
Speaker 1: there is one place more than any other where, it
Speaker 1: is said, the bridge between our world and theirs. At
Speaker 1: its thinnest. That place is the Berwin Mountains. You're listening
Speaker 1: to unexplained, and I'm Richard McLean Smith. In the evening
Speaker 1: of May tenth, nineteen seventy three, a young couple were
Speaker 1: sitting in a car in Pike Hill, near Oldham, in
Speaker 1: the northwest of England, when a strange craft came into
Speaker 1: view in the sky. The couple described it as being
Speaker 1: like a helicopter, complete with an exaggerated dome shaped top
Speaker 1: and beams of red, green and white light shooting out
Speaker 1: from underneath it. They watched it hover for a moment
Speaker 1: over the hill before it rotated slowly, shot up to
Speaker 1: one hundred or so feet and then disappeared. Around fifty
Speaker 1: similar sightings were seen over the next few months across
Speaker 1: central and northwest England. They were always the same, a
Speaker 1: helicopter seen moving slowly but with purpose, as if it
Speaker 1: was looking for something. With no official record of anything
Speaker 1: flying in the areas at the time, local police forces
Speaker 1: speculated that the mysterious craft was likely part of a
Speaker 1: criminal enterprise running iliced errands from London. Others suggested the
Speaker 1: helicopters were in fact delivering undercover CIA operatives drafted in
Speaker 1: by the UK government to try and destabilize the British
Speaker 1: trade union movement. It had been a fraught few years
Speaker 1: as the government battled with rising inflation and a global
Speaker 1: oil crisis, in turn bringing them into conflict with the
Speaker 1: National Union of Miners overstagnating wages in the coal industry.
Speaker 1: After a series of strikes and stalemates, with coal power
Speaker 1: accounting for roughly two thirds of the country's electricity. The
Speaker 1: government made the drastic decision to impose a three day week,
Speaker 1: restrictly the use of electricity to only three consecutive days
Speaker 1: of the working week. It was for many an unsettling
Speaker 1: and unusual time that seemed to manifest even more unusual events.
Speaker 1: On January fifteenth, nineteen seventy four, police forces throughout Central
Speaker 1: and North England were put on alert for a rogue
Speaker 1: helicopter seen moving about in the area. Three days later,
Speaker 1: police received a report from an anonymous caller of a
Speaker 1: single bright light seen moving over the moors to the
Speaker 1: south of the peak district, but nothing is found. Perhaps
Speaker 1: it is only in hindsight that we might determine these
Speaker 1: sightings to have any significance, when in fact such fleeting
Speaker 1: accounts were little more than over active imaginations tapping into
Speaker 1: the nation's troubled psyche at a time of such unsettling uncertainty.
Speaker 1: But soon upon the slopes of the Berwin Mountain's highest peak,
Speaker 1: something substantial would take place, a strange and mysterious event
Speaker 1: that remains to this day unexplained. In the evening of Wednesday,
Speaker 1: January twenty third, nineteen seventy four, Anne Williams was settling
Speaker 1: down to watch TV when she spotted something in the
Speaker 1: darkness outside her front room window. Williams lived in brough Dinham,
Speaker 1: situated at the northern edge of the Berwin Mountains, where
Speaker 1: its rolling foothills could easily be seen from out the
Speaker 1: back of the house. It was a reasonably clear sky
Speaker 1: that night, a wash with stars, but only the slightest
Speaker 1: hint of the new moon visible. But what Anne had
Speaker 1: seen was a bright light high up above the hills
Speaker 1: that was steadily dropping down from out of the sky,
Speaker 1: a lengthy golden tail shooting out from behind it. She watched,
Speaker 1: stunned for what seemed like minutes as it fell closer
Speaker 1: and closer toward the ground, pulsing as it went, until
Speaker 1: finally it disappeared behind the hills. It was followed by
Speaker 1: what sounded like an explosion, and then the ground began
Speaker 1: to shake. Police Sergeant Gwynn Williams was at home a
Speaker 1: few miles to the north in the town of Corwen
Speaker 1: when he heard the explosion. Too. Moments later, he felt
Speaker 1: the floor shift underneath him and watched with alarm as
Speaker 1: the walls began to shake. Rattling a large mirror that
Speaker 1: was threatening to jump off its chain. Seconds later, Williams
Speaker 1: was out of the house and running into the street,
Speaker 1: convinced that a lorry must have crashed near by. Outside,
Speaker 1: Williams looked in vain for any sign of an accident,
Speaker 1: but saw only the deathly quiet of the street, then
Speaker 1: the sound of another front door opening, and then another,
Speaker 1: as more and more neighbors appeared in their doorways with
Speaker 1: a mixture of fear and confusion in their faces as
Speaker 1: they looked out towards the mountains behind him. Following their gaze,
Speaker 1: Sergeant Williams turned to see a soft yellowish glow cresting
Speaker 1: a distant peak. It hung there for a moment before
Speaker 1: it faded away and the night returned down. At the
Speaker 1: Gwynedd Police station in Colwyn Bay, six officers and three
Speaker 1: support staff frantically worked the phones as more and more
Speaker 1: calls came in. One officer on duty calling avant Landithlo
Speaker 1: also reported hearing the huge explosion and that lights were
Speaker 1: flashing on the slopes of Cader Bronwyn, another of the
Speaker 1: Berwin's peaks. It was his belief that something had just
Speaker 1: crashed onto the mountain with police opening a major incident lock.
Speaker 1: A flurry of calls went out to nearby Raf Valley
Speaker 1: Airfield and air traffic control towers, while local ambulance services
Speaker 1: were put on high alert. In Flanderfel village. Just prior
Speaker 1: to the explosion, Pat Evans was sat in her living
Speaker 1: room with her daughters Diane and Tina, enjoying the latest
Speaker 1: episode of alf Garnet sitcom Till Death Us Do Part.
Speaker 1: It was just after eight thirty pm when she got
Speaker 1: up to make a cup of tea in the kitchen
Speaker 1: and was also startled by the huge bang, with the
Speaker 1: ground shaking beneath her. A distressed Diane and Tina shouted
Speaker 1: through from the living room what the hell was that?
Speaker 1: They asked. Running outside, the three of them looked out
Speaker 1: across the hills but found only the usual still night air.
Speaker 1: But as numerous neighbors began appearing in the street, each
Speaker 1: sharing their own account of the bizarre event, it was
Speaker 1: clear to Pat, an experienced nurse, that some kind of
Speaker 1: aircraft had just crashed. Realizing how long it would take
Speaker 1: for any help to arrive, Pat jumped onto the phone
Speaker 1: and spent the next hour trying to get through to
Speaker 1: the police to offer any help she could. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: the sightings coming in to Gwyned Police station were beginning
Speaker 1: to get a little more unusual. One witness described seeing
Speaker 1: a bright red light like coal fire emanating from the object,
Speaker 1: as well as lights above and to the right, but
Speaker 1: also a light moving to the bottom of it that
Speaker 1: changed from white to yellow and back again, while another
Speaker 1: clain to have seen what looked like a large fire
Speaker 1: burning on the mountainside. Finally, at roughly nine point thirty pm,
Speaker 1: Pat was eventually patched through to Colwyn Bay Police station,
Speaker 1: where she was thanked for her offer of help and
Speaker 1: invited to drive up to the potential crash site to
Speaker 1: see what she could do. Pat replaced the receiver and
Speaker 1: looked across to Diane and Tina, both of whom were
Speaker 1: also trained in first aid. Right she said, let's get
Speaker 1: in the car. As Pat and her daughters made their
Speaker 1: way up through the narrow, winding country lanes, as the
Speaker 1: darkling Berwin Mountains loomed up above them to the east,
Speaker 1: Diane and Tina were suddenly gripped with fear at what
Speaker 1: they were about to find. A light rain had begun
Speaker 1: to fall as Pat did her best to reassure them,
Speaker 1: keeping one eye on the pitch black lane as she
Speaker 1: feverishly scanned the horizon for any sign of the downed plane.
Speaker 1: It was approaching ten PM when the car reared up
Speaker 1: into the top of the hills and the road began
Speaker 1: to level out all about them. What in daylight had
Speaker 1: been a vibrant, snow topped moorland seemed now like a
Speaker 1: vast ocean of black underneath the star filled sky. There,
Speaker 1: said one of her daughters, suddenly pointing out the windscreen
Speaker 1: toward a strange, diffuse light in the distance. It seemed
Speaker 1: to be emanating from the slopes of Cadder Berwin, the
Speaker 1: mountain's highest peak, like a giant, hazy ball that was
Speaker 1: glowing and pulsating. As Pat recalled later, there were no
Speaker 1: flame shooting or anything like that. It was very uniform,
Speaker 1: round in shape, and there were other smaller lights dotted
Speaker 1: around it too. Pat continued on for a few hundred yards,
Speaker 1: but was unable to get any closer, and it was
Speaker 1: much too far away to attempt and approach on foot
Speaker 1: across the treacherous moorland. Unable to go any further, Pat
Speaker 1: parked up the car and together. The three of them
Speaker 1: sat and watched in amusement as the light continued to pulse,
Speaker 1: then changed color from white to red, to yellow and
Speaker 1: back again, knowing only that whatever it was they were
Speaker 1: looking at, it was no crashed aeroplane. After watching for
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, with nothing else to be done, Pat spun
Speaker 1: the car around and returned home. Earlier that night, four
Speaker 1: miles away, on the other side of the peculiar light
Speaker 1: witnessed by Pat and her daughters, fourteen year old Hugh
Speaker 1: Lloyd was at home on his parents farm, relaxing in
Speaker 1: front of the TV with his sisters and neighbor Enoch Davies.
Speaker 1: Hugh's parents were out for the evening, having heard the
Speaker 1: explosive noise and felt the earth shaking. Like many others
Speaker 1: in the vicinity that night, Hugh's first instinct was to
Speaker 1: run outside and check on the animals. Relieved to find
Speaker 1: them surprisingly calm under the circumstances, Hugh stood ponderously for
Speaker 1: a moment in the cold air, scanning the surrounding hills,
Speaker 1: before making his way back inside. Thirty minutes later, there
Speaker 1: was a knock at the door, and anxious Hugh opened
Speaker 1: it to find what he assumed was a police officer
Speaker 1: standing ominously silhouetted in the doorway, while another officer sat
Speaker 1: in a park police car behind him. The man introduced
Speaker 1: himself as a police inspector, explaining that he'd driven up
Speaker 1: from Barmouth to investigate a possible air crash and was
Speaker 1: looking for a guide and a farm vehicle to help
Speaker 1: get him close to the site of impact. With a
Speaker 1: mix of trepidation and excitement, Hugh was more than happy
Speaker 1: to offer up his parents' landrover. However, since he was
Speaker 1: too young to drive, neighbor Enoch volunteered to tell them
Speaker 1: up to the farm road. It was only later that
Speaker 1: Hugh and Enoch realized how strange it was that the
Speaker 1: officer had arrived only thirty minutes after the explosion, having
Speaker 1: said he'd come up from Barmouth, a town almost two
Speaker 1: hours drive away. A short time later, Hugh, Enoch and
Speaker 1: the officers were making their way further up the mountain
Speaker 1: through the pitch black, straining for any glimpse of something unusual,
Speaker 1: toward a destination that none were entirely sure of. It
Speaker 1: was about twenty past nine when, just as they were
Speaker 1: approaching the end of the public road, Enoch spotted a
Speaker 1: car up ahead, locking the gateway to the farm track beyond.
Speaker 1: After briefly inspecting the vehicle, with no one around to
Speaker 1: claim it, the group swiftly pushed it to the side
Speaker 1: of the road and continued on their way, with Hugh
Speaker 1: taking over driving duties. The land drover continued up the track,
Speaker 1: its bright beams flashing across tufts of snow and heather
Speaker 1: as they bobbled over the rough to rain toward the
Speaker 1: slopes of Caderbronwyn. Despite claiming to be unfamiliar with the area,
Speaker 1: the inspector pointed suddenly to a spot up ahead and
Speaker 1: told Hugh to pull over. It was just approaching ten
Speaker 1: p m when the four of them stepped out into
Speaker 1: the freezing air on the lookout for any sign of
Speaker 1: the apparent crash sight, and that's when they saw it,
Speaker 1: a strong white light down on the edge of the
Speaker 1: valley below, glowing like a halo above a small patch
Speaker 1: of woodland. The group watched it for a good fifteen
Speaker 1: seconds before the inspector ordered them back into the car
Speaker 1: and ordered Hugh to try and get them closer. They'd
Speaker 1: barely made a few hundred yards, however, when a sharp
Speaker 1: hiss came through the inspector radio, followed by a voice
Speaker 1: instructing him to leave the mountain and return first thing
Speaker 1: in the morning. It was odd, thought Hugh that they
Speaker 1: would decide to turn back then, having got so close
Speaker 1: to what they'd been looking for, but with no desire
Speaker 1: to argue, he turned the land, drove around and headed
Speaker 1: back to the farm, passing a police car on the way.
Speaker 1: Hugh pulled up and the officers talked for a moment
Speaker 1: before that car also turned and followed them back to
Speaker 1: the farm. With Hugh and Enoch returning home, the police
Speaker 1: headed off back down the mountain. That night. A three
Speaker 1: man crew was also dispatched from the Arif Valley Mountain
Speaker 1: Rescue Team, arriving in Flandithlo just after midnight. However, after
Speaker 1: speaking to local police, the team were asked to stand
Speaker 1: down until the following morning. Back at precisely eight thirty
Speaker 1: eight p m. Just over three hundred miles away in Edinburgh, Scotland,
Speaker 1: the Global Seismology Unit of the Institute of Geological Sciences
Speaker 1: picked up an unusual reading a tremour emanating from the
Speaker 1: region of the Berwin Mountains, registering between three to four
Speaker 1: on the Richter scale. The following morning, as news of
Speaker 1: the strange event began to circulate, a journalist contacted the
Speaker 1: institute's senior scientific officer, Doctor Roy lilwall asking for his
Speaker 1: thoughts whether it was a meteor that had crashed into
Speaker 1: the mountain. Doctor Lilwaugh was taken back in surprise at
Speaker 1: the suggestion, since any meteor causing that larger tremour would
Speaker 1: have had to have been several tons in mass, and
Speaker 1: as such would have left little doubt that it was responsible.
Speaker 1: The Raf Valley Rescue team set out at first light
Speaker 1: the following morning and were joined by a small group
Speaker 1: of local police officers. With a fresh dusting of snow,
Speaker 1: the search party made their way toward the spot where
Speaker 1: Hugh and the inspector had been searching the night before.
Speaker 1: Despite the assistance of two aircraft carrying out a photographic
Speaker 1: survey of the area from above, they find nothing to
Speaker 1: account for the mysterious events of the night before, and
Speaker 1: shortly before two point fifteen pm the search was called off.
Speaker 1: By this point it had also been determined that no
Speaker 1: aircraft was spotted on radar descending into the region, and
Speaker 1: none officially at least had been declared missing elsewhere on
Speaker 1: the mountain. That morning, doctor Ron Madison and Deniron Evans,
Speaker 1: scientists from nearby Keele University, encouraged by reports of a
Speaker 1: possible impact of a celestial object, stumbled across the moor
Speaker 1: in search of meteor fragments. However, despite uncovering signs recent
Speaker 1: disturbance on the surface of the soil, with the snow
Speaker 1: continuing to fall, their efforts also came to nothing. Later
Speaker 1: that night, in the village of Gebowen, located just to
Speaker 1: the east of the Berwin Mountains across the border in England,
Speaker 1: resident David Upton had just stepped out his back door
Speaker 1: when he noticed an unusually bright object in the sky.
Speaker 1: After grabbing some binoculars from inside and yelling for his
Speaker 1: sister and mother to join him, the three of them
Speaker 1: took it in turns to keep tabs on the object.
Speaker 1: It was only when they raised the binoculars to their
Speaker 1: eyes that they were able to make out the shape
Speaker 1: of it, like a disk that appeared to be split
Speaker 1: into four distinct colors, red, green, yellow, and purple. After
Speaker 1: ten minutes spent observing it, the object eventually disappeared behind
Speaker 1: a cloud. Over the next few days, as confusion reigned
Speaker 1: amongst local residents as to just what exactly had taken place,
Speaker 1: six strangers slowly began making their way through the many
Speaker 1: local villages, keen to get first hand eyewitness accounts of
Speaker 1: the event. Traveling door to door, the individuals introduced themselves
Speaker 1: as part of a British geological survey team and spoke
Speaker 1: to over two hundred locals, asking what exactly they'd seen
Speaker 1: or heard, and whether they'd been alarmed or frightened by
Speaker 1: the experience. Taking together the size of the seismic activity,
Speaker 1: the sightings of a burning object seen falling from the sky,
Speaker 1: and the lack of aircraft debris, scientists eventually came to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that the explosion and resulting tremor had been
Speaker 1: the result of an earthquake, which, in a feat of
Speaker 1: extraordinary coincidence, just so happened to occur at precisely the
Speaker 1: same time that a meteor had fallen from the sky.
Speaker 1: Many sightings of peculiar light seen on the mountains that
Speaker 1: night were later passed off as witnesses confusing the lamps
Speaker 1: of a group of poachers whose abandoned car had been
Speaker 1: found by police with something more otherworldly. Before long, however,
Speaker 1: British eufologists were beginning to question the likelihood of those explanations,
Speaker 1: and more strange stories were beginning to crop up. Reports
Speaker 1: of soldiers entering a local farm yard surely after the
Speaker 1: explosion was heard requesting to use the phone because their
Speaker 1: radio receiver had broken, despite the fact that no military
Speaker 1: personnel was said to have been involved in the search
Speaker 1: that night, and one man, Ken Houghton of better Surcoid
Speaker 1: in North Wales, claimed to have watched what he described
Speaker 1: as a luminous sphere roughly five hundred feet across, traveling
Speaker 1: at speed at around fifteen hundred feet, dropped straight down
Speaker 1: into the sea. It was some months later when prominent
Speaker 1: UFO researcher Jenny Randalls, who would later become director of
Speaker 1: the British UFO Research Association or BOUFORA, received a peculiar
Speaker 1: package in the post, consisting of a typed letter and
Speaker 1: a cassette tape. It had been sent to her by
Speaker 1: a mysterious organization calling itself the Aerial Phenomena Inquiry Network
Speaker 1: or ARPEN for short. The letter outlined the alarming suggestion
Speaker 1: that what had crashed in the mountains that night was
Speaker 1: actually a flying saucer, and both it and its crew,
Speaker 1: described as tall humanoid aliens, had been extracted from the
Speaker 1: area by a specialist ARP and team who arrived at
Speaker 1: the scene soon after. After loading the tape into her
Speaker 1: cassette player, Randalls sat and listened to the bizarre contents,
Speaker 1: beginning with an introduction from a man with an American
Speaker 1: accent calling himself J. T. Anderson, Supreme Commander of Arpen.
Speaker 1: It was followed by a series of TV and radio
Speaker 1: broadcasts about UFOs, spliced in with terrified voices warning about
Speaker 1: the dangers of UFOs and their hostile nature. Over the
Speaker 1: next few years, as the UFO idea gained traction, Randall's
Speaker 1: interest also grew, so much so that she even moved
Speaker 1: to the area in the nineteen seventies to find out
Speaker 1: more for herself. There she encountered locals who claimed, despite
Speaker 1: written evidence to the contrary, that there actually had been
Speaker 1: a military presence on the mountain that night. In the
Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, Margaret Frye, working for the bufora magazine,
Speaker 1: interviewed nurse Pat Evans about that most peculiar of knights,
Speaker 1: But this time there was a new detail in her story.
Speaker 1: Shortly after seeing the strange light at the top of
Speaker 1: the mountain, Pat allegedly now claimed that she and her
Speaker 1: daughters were confronted by soldiers. Having told her that the
Speaker 1: road was closed, Pat was ordered to turn round and
Speaker 1: leave the area immediately. Shortly after the article was published,
Speaker 1: a panicking Pat called Margaret, demanding to know why she'd
Speaker 1: added this extra detail to her story, because she hadn't
Speaker 1: said anything of the sort to her. Confused, Margaret consulted
Speaker 1: her notes from the interview and was surprised to find
Speaker 1: clearly written there Pat's recollection of the soldiers. Worried that
Speaker 1: she might have got something wrong, she then spoke to
Speaker 1: another researcher who'd accompanied her to the interview. She was
Speaker 1: also convinced that Pat had indeed included this in her story.
Speaker 1: Could they both have imagined it somehow, some kind of
Speaker 1: wish fulfillment, perhaps, while, as some have suggested, had Pat
Speaker 1: felt suddenly compelled and perhaps persuaded to retract this detail.
Speaker 1: To this day, Pat maintains that it was never part
Speaker 1: of her story. Unexplained as an AV Club Productions podcast
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