1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: I've never told you your production of I Heart Radio. Okay, Annie, Yes, 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna start off with a question, and it's not 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: our little lighthearted ones, it's not necessarily really really deep. 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: But I did wonder growing up, what was your perception 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: about abortion and reproductive justice. Oh that's a good one. Um. Well, 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: as I've mentioned several times before on this show and recently, 8 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: I did grow up in a pretty liberal family in 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: a very conservative area. So I was um pro choice. 10 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I still that terminology still is weird to me out 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: that whole thing, but um, I thought that it was 12 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: so women's a woman's right to choose, and that it 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: was something that women should have access to. I was, 14 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: I know I've mentioned before. I was on the debate team, 15 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: and I I was the only person who would argue 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: that abortion should be a thing, and you would not 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: believe like its tactics you see in the Republican Party 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: now against it that these like middle schoolers leveled against me. 19 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: But I was. I it made me nervous because there 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: was such vitriologic, like strong feelings about it. So I 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: wasn't super I didn't broadcast it a lot um and 22 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: I did have like but I like these I I 23 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: don't know that I had realistic Um, now that I 24 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: know more about abortion, I'm not sure that my timeline 25 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: was very realistic because I was like definitely before this time, 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not sure that that was accurate 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: at all or what I really thought. But it became 28 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: a thing like I became known for it, and people 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: would either attack me over it or they would get 30 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: really aggressive in their questioning about like why I thought it, 31 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: And like even my friend group now that I still have, 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: they would it would be this thing like we would 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: not talk about because I felt like they maybe not 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: looked down on me, but they were really kind of 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: disturbed because we were in a very conservative town and 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: that's what they were hearing. They've changed, right, like at 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: that time, right, yeah, yeah, I mean I would definitely 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: have been one of those people because I we've mentioned 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: it before, because we've talked about abortion a lot on 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: our show, uh, and of course it is something that 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: we want to talk about and continue to talk about 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: because it's not just the whole level of you know, 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: the conversation of abortion, but it's a whole level of 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: um taking away the freedoms and choices of women. And 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I had to rethink because of 46 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: growing up. I was absolutely uh anti abortion. That was 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: my perception because a not only was I told I 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: was saved from abortion because I'm adopted, but be because 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: of my very very conservative religious parents, who sees that 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: as a focal point of the biggest issue. And we've 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: talked about this many times, like I think we talked 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: about before with my mom and I got into a 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: really heated argument at a cracker barrel um and this 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: was one of the biggest points of contention, to the 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: point that we couldn't talk and we both left crying. 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: And that was probably one of the most heartbreaking moments 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: for me. And it's not that I'm necessarily like I 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: still have moments where I catch myself being very antib 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: not anti abortion, but and like thinking that manner. I 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: guess it's to say, it's hard to let go of 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: what is indoctrinated into you, especially when you're being told 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: this is who you are, and this is how you were, 63 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: this is why you're alive, essentially because you're the alternative 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: choice to abortion. But on top of that, you know, 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: just kind of unraveling the idea that a woman's purity 66 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: and responsibility and whole and conceiving it's also all part 67 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: of this and so therefore we are the biggest sinners 68 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: of all, you know, if this is how we believe. 69 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: And overall I've tried to argue it with my family, 70 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, it's a conversation of do 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: you trust your daughters? Do you trust your family to 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: make the right decision for them, And it's this whole 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: big thing. Of course, I am very much on the 74 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: other side of this now, and I'm very much um 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: because yeah, pro choice is the best way I can say, 76 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: because it's not, as we've talked about it, this is 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: everything about controlling women more so than anything else. Is 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: not about saving babies or saving lives. It's not about 79 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, the whole term of pro life needs to 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: be thrown out the window because as we've seen in 81 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: our administration, that's not what it's necessarily about. UM. And again, 82 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: I worked in social work for so long because there's 83 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: this level of debt that I felt because of rhetoric 84 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: like this and an understanding that I was like, wow, 85 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: this is messed up, because why am I the only 86 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: one who's getting paid less and mental wage to care 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: about these lives that were so like intense on saving. 88 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, of course we want to 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: protect life, but true life and life the whole conversation 90 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: of conception and all of that is the bigger point 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: of science. Oh, there's so many things that we could 92 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: talk about, but and and the reason I was thinking 93 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: about this today, we are specifically talking about Argentina, and uh, 94 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: we are celebrating with them as the giant victory of 95 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: our family and Argentina and all the people of Argentina 96 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: can celebrate the legalization of abortion as of December thirty 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty um. And for them, it's been a 98 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: long and hard and drawn out battle, and we've seen 99 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: continue activists even talking about and celebrating, still understanding that 100 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: it is a bigger battle to come. But yeah, so 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: we want to talk a little bit about what happened 102 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: and to celebrate with them, right. So, on December eleven, 103 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: the Voluntary Interruption of Pregnancy Bill was passed by the 104 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: Chamber of Deputies, which is the lower house, with a 105 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: vote of one thirty one to seventeen and was sent 106 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: to the upper house, the Senate, which passed on the 107 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: thirty December by a vote of thirty eight to twenty 108 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: nine and was passed by the President Alberto Fernandez. The 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: law legalizes all abortion up to fourteen weeks of pregnancy, 110 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: so the previous law only allowed to abortion access in 111 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: case of a pregnancy as a result of rape or 112 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: if it endangered the health and life of a woman 113 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: and was punishable without to fifteen years of jail. Yeah. Uh, 114 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: And we can't talk about the success of reproductive justice 115 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: in Argentina without talking about the boots on the ground 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: groups who have pushed and fought within that country. Organizations 117 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: like La Collectiva Fimnista, the Yalta and Collectiva Una Manos 118 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: have been pushing for the rights and protection of women 119 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and the marginalized community right. So in thousands of Argentinians 120 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: marched the spotlight the injustice and violence against women or 121 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: it was called hashtag neona mentos, which grew into a 122 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: movement that expanded into the larger issues of women's rights, 123 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: including reproductive justice. A bill was introduced into the eighteen 124 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: but it was defeated in the Senate, though it had 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: passed in the lower House. As the administration changed, President 126 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: for Nandez showed support for the bill and even wore 127 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: a green tie, which was the symbol of the abortion 128 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: rights movement known as the Green Wave. And he said 129 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: that the previous law unfairly punished his quote, vulnerable and 130 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: poor women, right. And I think that's a big conversation 131 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: of who had access and who it really affected. Um. 132 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: And according to a report by the Human Rights Watch, 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: nearly forty tho women and children in Argentina were hospitalized 134 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: as a result of unsafe, clandestine abortions or miscarriages. So 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: this included at least six thousand of them being between 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: the ages of ten through nineteen. So this bill uses 137 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: inclusive language and thanks to the activism of transactivists like 138 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: Camilla Fernandez Um. These actives made sure to use language 139 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: such as quote people with ability to be pregnant, right, um. 140 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: And just kind of as we were talking about earlier, 141 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: how you know you're in doctor neated with so much, 142 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: especially growing up, whether it's through religion or what not 143 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: a life for me, it was religion not necessarily the 144 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: same as Argentina because we are very Southern Baptists, but 145 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: very along the strict lines. Argentina is heavily influenced by Catholicism, 146 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: as in fact, one report shows at least of Argentineans 147 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: still identify as Roman catholic Um and the bill has 148 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: been contested by many anti abortion groups, including the fact 149 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: that the Senate was encouraged by the Church of Argentina 150 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: to vote against it. And just like everywhere, we've been 151 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: talking about this a lot over around the world lately, 152 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: there is still a lot to do in making sure 153 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: to keep reproductive justice secure. But but seeing victories like 154 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: this is really encouraging, especially knowing and witnessing the many 155 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: activists who have tirelessly fought for these things and continue 156 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: to And as we always say in these international episodes, 157 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: we would love to hear from listeners who are in Argentina, 158 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: who have experience aunts, who have seen these things, who 159 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: have helped make these things possible, and it is very inspiring. 160 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: Um so yeah, we would love to hear from you. Uh. 161 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: You can email us our email U Stuff Media mom 162 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: Stuff at iHeart media dot com. 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