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Speaker 6: Everybody. Yeah, can you hear Wayne?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, dang, can you hear Wayne?
Speaker 8: I can? Can you hear me?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 8: Is this pain is your Yeah?
Speaker 3: This is pain. That's my first name. We've got Payne,
Speaker 3: Wayne and Dwayne.
Speaker 6: To tell it. My way to me is not really
Speaker 6: was important because my way is the right way, and
Speaker 6: it's the truth about what happened. You know, were to me?
Speaker 6: You know, let the butt fall where it may, you know, wherever,
Speaker 6: because there's only one true truth is truth, you know,
Speaker 6: And and all this I guess fake as we say
Speaker 6: as we hear all this stuff. You know, I'm not
Speaker 6: into that either. And the truth in this case is
Speaker 6: really simple. It's not complex or anything, but it's just
Speaker 6: it's the truth that people may not want to hear,
Speaker 6: and it's the truth that they have to hear to
Speaker 6: understand what happened. And it continues to happen. Now, let
Speaker 6: me give you just a little so and by the way,
Speaker 6: if time goes, we have to come up and call
Speaker 6: it because I'll explain to you as we go to
Speaker 6: mechanics and how we got to communicate it all because
Speaker 6: it's kind of weird here, you know, so, so basically
Speaker 6: what we're what we were looking for from a documentary
Speaker 6: point of view, there's a multi cart thing to tell
Speaker 6: the story. You can't tell it in sixty minutes, like
Speaker 6: you not both know it's not important. In other words,
Speaker 6: people don't need to hear and see what that's not
Speaker 6: what's important. These other people have a story to tell.
Speaker 6: They're gonna tell my story for me. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You understand what I'm getting that you're gonna you will
Speaker 6: fully understand once we get into this. Because one thing
Speaker 6: about prison, you can't fool these guys a year. If
Speaker 6: these people thought I killed somebody had done something like that,
Speaker 6: I'd have been dead the first day I get the
Speaker 6: county jail. Are you understanding me? I'm in a close
Speaker 6: security prison and a dog with eighty other inmates. Shank's
Speaker 6: now all that floating around. You got crips, bloods, geed,
Speaker 6: all kinds of games here, and I got down good
Speaker 6: relations with all of them. If they thought that, I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be you know, you understanding what I'm saying. This
Speaker 6: is the reality that you're gonna get to telling his story.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 6: You know you can't fool con If they can smell it,
Speaker 6: they can smell a w rec if there's a wreck.
Speaker 6: You know, it's almost like a dog. You know, a
Speaker 6: dog knows an evil person for the good. They'll start growling,
Speaker 6: you know, so so you know it'll come out. This
Speaker 6: isn't about Wayne, This isn't just about me. This is
Speaker 6: for all those families who never got justice of all
Speaker 6: these years. They deserve some answers because I'm in a
Speaker 6: prison now with two family members. I'm here with the
Speaker 6: uncle and a cousin of two of the murder victors.
Speaker 6: We play ball every day together. If you understand what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, we need to tell this to I'll see
Speaker 6: that hurt and pain they've shared. We have shared things.
Speaker 6: There's a bond right there that needs to be told.
Speaker 6: Family members. We're in contact will They have given us
Speaker 6: information and at least eight of the cases they know
Speaker 6: who killed the people, but the police refused to act on.
Speaker 6: These are the things that we need to bring out
Speaker 6: in these documentaries.
Speaker 3: I've heard from the FBI, the APD, and victims' families.
Speaker 3: Now it's time to hear from Wayne. I asked Wayne
Speaker 3: what he wanted to say, What did he personally want
Speaker 3: to put out to the world.
Speaker 6: My thing is put the facts out and and speak
Speaker 6: for yourself. We don't need to doctor it up. Just
Speaker 6: just put it out there. And when we explain, like
Speaker 6: things like the bridge so called bridge incident, what did
Speaker 6: and did not happen, Like Dwayne and I have talked to,
Speaker 6: it'll make sense now once we can go through you
Speaker 6: hear it all. You an't going to believe it. It's incredible.
Speaker 6: Also in the podcast. In other words, there's another component
Speaker 6: on this. I have been doing a lot of work
Speaker 6: with the younger generation, in particular the music Committee community
Speaker 6: to getting them involved. Okay, one of which, by the way,
Speaker 6: is my Salemate. He's a twenty one year old kid
Speaker 6: who grew up in everything. He's a writer, not only
Speaker 6: a rap star, but he's very intelligent. He actually wrote
Speaker 6: that the name of my life story is called Shadow Drinks.
Speaker 6: He actually wrote the theme song for that, and I
Speaker 6: want to include in the podcast through doing some of
Speaker 6: his writings and all comments on the social comments thereity.
Speaker 6: You know, that's another way of telling it reaching the
Speaker 6: younger audience. So with you and the reason why. This
Speaker 6: is somebody and you may find this incredible, but this
Speaker 6: is somebody who lives with me twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 6: seven days a week. We're on the same referee. He
Speaker 6: knows me probably better than my own family at this point.
Speaker 6: And if you want to know what Oney Williams is
Speaker 6: really right, Anthonyspense is the person you ask you understand
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And the other part I'm asking you
Speaker 6: to do, like I said, is on a young man
Speaker 6: I want to launch as recording artist, Anthony Spencer. Let
Speaker 6: me first give you thank.
Speaker 10: You, producing securists.
Speaker 5: Goodbye this old time.
Speaker 6: He gonna call back in like thirty seconds.
Speaker 8: I was pretty surprised. Did Wayne have an artist?
Speaker 3: He was trying to manage from prison, another young black
Speaker 3: male like Jimmy.
Speaker 8: But this time the artist wasn't sell me.
Speaker 3: From what I could tell, Wayne was doing in prison
Speaker 3: exactly what he was doing in Atlanta in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 3: being a talent scout.
Speaker 6: Okay, we're back, Okay, But like I said, that's my
Speaker 6: roommate and he's gonna you know, I really want to
Speaker 6: tell in music his words about as a young kid
Speaker 6: just hearing about this about getting that story out to
Speaker 6: the young people. Understand what I'm saying. That's a powerful way.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, what I want you to do.
Speaker 6: I want you to just introduce yourself briefly to him
Speaker 6: like here here he is right now, just telling me
Speaker 6: who you are with what we're going to be doing.
Speaker 6: Just very but hereious, how you doing?
Speaker 8: Saying how you doing?
Speaker 7: Like wise? Likewise? Uh, well, like Wayne was saying, my
Speaker 7: name is Anthony Spencer, and upon me. You know, I
Speaker 7: just started like really becoming aware of everything that's going on,
Speaker 7: been going on for some time, and it was really
Speaker 7: like hell being removed from my eyes. And I'm I've
Speaker 7: just been doing a lot of writing, scene writing on
Speaker 7: those types of things. Oh yeah, I'm working on something
Speaker 7: like specifically for.
Speaker 6: This, and I'm I have it done.
Speaker 7: Like I'm having done as soon as possible, like no
Speaker 7: later than tomorrow, like I have been.
Speaker 6: Here's one okay, Yeah, he keeps me level here, excuse
Speaker 6: me little.
Speaker 3: This was almost unbelievable to me. Had Wayne tried to
Speaker 3: promote fellow inmates as artists before or was this the
Speaker 3: first time? And how exactly could someone develop a music
Speaker 3: career from prison. Anthony sounded like a young, eager and
Speaker 3: anyable guy and above all, he sounded excited to send
Speaker 3: me his music inspired by Wayne's story.
Speaker 6: This is somebody who knows me better than anybody, and
Speaker 6: we need to put him out there because the public
Speaker 6: relations are trying to reach the age group over where.
Speaker 6: You meet this guy and his family, you will understand
Speaker 6: we need to put him out there. Get with Dwayne,
Speaker 6: get with his mother, and we want to go ahead
Speaker 6: and we want to put him as that invest in
Speaker 6: land him out there. It's not just an artist, but
Speaker 6: a commentary and basically he's got his own story to
Speaker 6: telling you. Probably in He's got the type of story
Speaker 6: to end up a lifetime by himself. And in the
Speaker 6: day time, Kayne, get in touch touch with Miss Spencer's mom.
Speaker 6: She's in Atlanta.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna call first, I'm gonna call Anthony's ma and
Speaker 7: then tell.
Speaker 9: Her that I'm gonna be given her giving you her information.
Speaker 3: These phone calls with Wayne and Dwayne took a lot
Speaker 3: of coordinating the prison email system, phone protocol, and of
Speaker 3: course our schedules. It took multiple calls before I began
Speaker 3: meeting anyone out side of the prison. I asked Wayne
Speaker 3: why he thought he was in jail today. Some people
Speaker 3: I talked to seemed to think he was a scapegoat
Speaker 3: and that maybe this whole thing was orchestrated. Dwayne Hendrix
Speaker 3: went as far as to say it was a full
Speaker 3: fledged conspiracy. But I wanted to hear what Wayne thought.
Speaker 6: You get me clear? That was not, and never was
Speaker 6: a conspiracy to get me before the factors. Nobody knew
Speaker 6: the route I was gonna take that night of May
Speaker 6: twenty second, regard, not even me. I am a Gemini.
Speaker 3: Gemini, there's that word again, the band that Wayne was
Speaker 3: developing in the late seventies. Now, Wayne was using it
Speaker 3: as his astrological inspiration for how he lived his life,
Speaker 3: including that faithful night on the Jackson Bridge. Gemini is
Speaker 3: symbolized by twins, dual personality, volatility, and a tendency to
Speaker 3: switch up routines.
Speaker 6: Okay, by birth, I'm a Gemini. That was a last
Speaker 6: minute decision I made because I'm the type of person
Speaker 6: I'm liable to change my mind in a heartbeat or
Speaker 6: when I like drive, getting in the car and just
Speaker 6: going You understand what I'm saying. I'm a free spirit
Speaker 6: that was a decision I made. The only conspiracy that
Speaker 6: came in was once my name hit those FBI computers
Speaker 6: and it got to Washington. That's when they panicked because
Speaker 6: they had a ran contract going and because two people
Speaker 6: in government knew of my background working for the agency
Speaker 6: and they were afred to ever the expose that the state.
Speaker 6: Lewis Slayton didn't even want to prosecute me. They had
Speaker 6: a mine held on June the twentieth, the Sunday before
Speaker 6: excuse me before, in which George Bush personally come down
Speaker 6: and threaten them. They say, if you don't arrest Wayne Williams,
Speaker 6: the Fans will take this case and prosecute it as
Speaker 6: a civil rights violation. Slaton didn't even want to prosecute
Speaker 6: this case. I am nothing above the Atlanta and Bulton
Speaker 6: County and Georgia. My enemy is the federal government still is.
Speaker 6: It is not those people if it was up to
Speaker 6: let me tell you something. The sheriff a fort in
Speaker 6: the county when I was at Fulton County jail before
Speaker 6: I went to trial, but I had my record, lot
Speaker 6: of people thatsn't healed behind o jail. I used to
Speaker 6: go out with one deputy who didn't even have a gun.
Speaker 6: We used to go out there across the street from
Speaker 6: the jail and go to the store. Now, if that's
Speaker 6: how much they were concerned, and they say, you know,
Speaker 6: we ain't worried about this. Are you understanding what I'm
Speaker 6: trying to tell you? But a person does a crime
Speaker 6: and the public doesn't understand it, say a burglary. If
Speaker 6: you do one burglar in a neighborhood and they've had
Speaker 6: twenty burglers in the neighborhood, they don't give a damn.
Speaker 6: You're gonna wear all of those cases so they can
Speaker 6: close the books. Because prosecutors in Georgia are elected officials.
Speaker 6: They are not appointed, they're elected, and that's one of
Speaker 6: the biggest flaws in the criminal justice system. They go
Speaker 6: on votes. It's about closing cases. Bottom line. Who whatever
Speaker 6: suspect they came up with.
Speaker 5: The you have one that left.
Speaker 6: That's the way it works. It was simple a matter
Speaker 6: of rector keeping close the cases to make it look good.
Speaker 6: Over ninety percent of the black community knows I didn't
Speaker 6: do this and things. I'm medicine.
Speaker 1: But and with the.
Speaker 6: White community is just the opposite. It's only you know,
Speaker 6: fifty percent of the white community because of articles like
Speaker 6: CNN and what you have. It's a racially polarized perspective.
Speaker 6: And the sad part about it is these white communities
Speaker 6: find my language, don't know diddly shit about what happened.
Speaker 6: The ones who are telling you I didn't do this
Speaker 6: are the ones who know. But you know, it's just
Speaker 6: like the thing going on with the police killers today,
Speaker 6: and there's things in the stadium. In other words, oh fat,
Speaker 6: they won't air about. Well, let's just play about that.
Speaker 6: Isn't the point. The point is part of my language
Speaker 6: just lack in my case. If those athletes have been
Speaker 6: just any other person other than an athlete, part of
Speaker 6: my language paying but you're gonna hear this, they would
Speaker 6: be just another nigga to anybody else. That's the same
Speaker 6: thing in this case. Are you understanding the relationships? Why
Speaker 6: we have to tell it like this because the black
Speaker 6: community has a different perspective on the Atlanta murders than
Speaker 6: the white community, totally different, because they know and they
Speaker 6: feel that their community had been slighted by the white
Speaker 6: community who was more conservative just throwing money in this
Speaker 6: and having press conferences. That's the whole hurt.
Speaker 5: The caller has hung up.
Speaker 3: Wayne talked rapidly during our conversation. Maybe it was a
Speaker 3: habit formed from having to maximize time while using the
Speaker 3: prison phone system, or maybe it's just Wayne. Some of
Speaker 3: what he was saying directly reflected the opinions of people
Speaker 3: like Monica Pearson and Colinda Lee. These murders were not
Speaker 3: handled properly in the eyes of much of the black community. However,
Speaker 3: what he said about press conferences was a little conflicting.
Speaker 3: Didn't Wayne rally his own press conference at his house?
Speaker 3: If he was so opposed to sensationalizing the news, why
Speaker 3: would he have done that. The next thing Wayne brought
Speaker 3: up was his attorney, Lynn Whatley.
Speaker 6: Well, next conference call, we're gonna have to involve the
Speaker 6: attorney Lynn. And I want to tell your point blank.
Speaker 6: I don't use this language, but he's an asshole, okay
Speaker 6: to deal with, but he's an essential asshole to tell
Speaker 6: the story because he's been burnt so many times. I
Speaker 6: don't think people understand what Land's problem is, why he
Speaker 6: doesn't return calls. And that's when fury is Dwayne, and
Speaker 6: you know I've been through it myself. When if we've
Speaker 6: been through not but let me tell you something. Lynn
Speaker 6: has done everything legally correct. He's been throopped every step
Speaker 6: of the way by the courts and prosecutory of his conduct.
Speaker 6: You're gonna find out what his frustration is in the
Speaker 6: case because of a connection with to Dwayne, and I'll
Speaker 6: get it to you will be later on it. He's
Speaker 6: not afraid of anything, but it has to do with
Speaker 6: some of his family. You'll understand as you talk on that.
Speaker 6: But the main thing is Lynn will be able to
Speaker 6: make available for you things like the court transcripts, and
Speaker 6: he'll be able to tell you what went on behind
Speaker 6: the scenes. You know, he'll be able to tell you
Speaker 6: what the Supreme Court justice told us before he died,
Speaker 6: about the call he got from the Vice President of
Speaker 6: the United States, you know, during the during the ovision
Speaker 6: of Georgia Supreme Court thing. He'll be able to tell
Speaker 6: you what happened on the DNA test and when they
Speaker 6: went back in two thousand and nine to test the
Speaker 6: two blood samples we had and then went back into
Speaker 6: State the very next day of the state crime and
Speaker 6: left say oh we lost that overnight. You'll get all
Speaker 6: of that. Go ahead and pay that man a visit.
Speaker 6: Don't wait on me because he's heard or you we
Speaker 6: talked about it. But you know what Lynn is, go
Speaker 6: ahead and see him. But like I say, don't get
Speaker 6: frustrated with him when he talks crazy. Talk crazy right back.
Speaker 5: To thank you for using secure us, goodbye.
Speaker 3: In a matter of just a few minutes, Winnie made
Speaker 3: some pretty big claims about this case, from involvement from
Speaker 3: the vice president to lost evidence. I had to talk
Speaker 3: to his attorney, Lynn Wattley.
Speaker 1: Hello, this is Lynn Whitely. Please leave your message. Tell
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: At the tell him please record your message.
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Speaker 3: No matter how many times I tried to call Wayne's attorney,
Speaker 3: Lynn Wattley, I never got an answer.
Speaker 8: Finally, he responded.
Speaker 3: To one of my texts and told me he was
Speaker 3: completely busy for the foreseeable future. Wayne said he would
Speaker 3: talk to me and that he would provide me with
Speaker 3: all the information I needed to see his side of
Speaker 3: the story clearly, but apparently Lynn didn't have the time
Speaker 3: to talk. In fact, he seemed to be actively avoiding me.
Speaker 3: The next person I contacted for Wayne's request was Tracy
Speaker 3: Anthony Spencer's mom, Wayne's sellmate. I wanted to know more
Speaker 3: about the person Wayne's been living with the past few years,
Speaker 3: especially given how Holly Wayne spoke of him.
Speaker 11: Anthony Spencer. He is my oldest son. He's been a
Speaker 11: good kid all his life, never in any trouble in school,
Speaker 11: not a reprimand or anything. Everybody loves Anthony, miss goodness,
Speaker 11: his heart and he's a good person. And when the
Speaker 11: incident happened and he went to jail, everyone was in disbelief.
Speaker 11: So I said, okay, you know, and let me have
Speaker 11: a fish fry. Let me try to raise some money
Speaker 11: to do something, maybe a.
Speaker 12: Lawyer, you know.
Speaker 11: So I want to bot all his fish and I
Speaker 11: sold six hundred dollars worth of fish in two hours.
Speaker 8: That's a lot of fish.
Speaker 11: That's a lot of fish. But they came to support him.
Speaker 11: You know, he's a really good person.
Speaker 12: Some of his.
Speaker 11: Friends had planned an armed robbery, a robbery to rob
Speaker 11: the Chinese delivery man.
Speaker 3: From what his mom told me, Anthony was likely at
Speaker 3: the wrong place at the wrong time. He wasn't part
Speaker 3: of the plan, but he was there. Besides that, I
Speaker 3: knew very few details about the incident, but.
Speaker 11: The judge said at the end of the trial that
Speaker 11: he didn't want a sentence Anthony to ten years. He
Speaker 11: knew that he didn't deserve that judge kill and it
Speaker 11: was I felt that it was heartfelt, you know. He
Speaker 11: didn't want to do that, but he said by law
Speaker 11: he had to. He had no choice.
Speaker 12: Anthony's in tail Fair prison.
Speaker 11: He started off and Waycross and then he went to
Speaker 11: Valdosta and now he's in tail Fair. Anthony has been
Speaker 11: in prison this summer seven years.
Speaker 8: How's that been?
Speaker 12: It's rough. I have a ten year old.
Speaker 11: And Anthony spends so much time with him, and it
Speaker 11: hurts me to see them hurt, you know, cause they
Speaker 11: they missed.
Speaker 12: There, but they're simply you know. Yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 11: I feel like he should be out here l l.
Speaker 11: He made a mistake, but he should be out here
Speaker 11: to live with his life. He doesn't know how to drive,
Speaker 11: you know, I don't even know if he's ever even
Speaker 11: had sex, you know, I you know, nothing, He hasn't
Speaker 11: n hasn't even.
Speaker 12: Begin to live his life.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 11: Anthony does the newsletter in prison, and since he's been
Speaker 11: at Telfair, he met him Lane, and I think that
Speaker 11: helps to have someone that you can communicate with that's
Speaker 11: there and that really understands what's going on, opposed to
Speaker 11: me really understanding what prison life is like. You know,
Speaker 11: when Anthony first emailed me and told me that he
Speaker 11: met Wayne Williams, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, wow, why.
Speaker 11: Stay away him? Do you know where that is? He
Speaker 11: was like yeah, ma, I said, boy, that is the Jews, and.
Speaker 12: I'm a child martyr.
Speaker 11: I said, now, I don't think he killed them kids,
Speaker 11: but I don't know what Wayne be doing.
Speaker 12: Stay away from his.
Speaker 11: Ass, you know exactly what I don't. And he was
Speaker 11: like kind of distraught, you know, like, and then he
Speaker 11: kept coming at me with it, well, this person is
Speaker 11: going to call you, and this person is this person
Speaker 11: gonna call you? And I'm looking at the email like whatever,
Speaker 11: you know, recently, probably about a month or so ago,
Speaker 11: you know, and I could just hear in his voice
Speaker 11: how much his attitude and his spirit had lifted, you know,
Speaker 11: And I started listening to him. I said, this really
Speaker 11: means something to him. You know, I can't tell him
Speaker 11: what to believe and what to think. That's only for
Speaker 11: me to do for myself. Wayne, to me, sounds like
Speaker 11: he gives him good advice. And I just hope their
Speaker 11: relationship is is a good relationship.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 11: Like I said, I don't know too much about Wayne personally,
Speaker 11: but I spoke with Wayne a few weeks ago and
Speaker 11: I was.
Speaker 4: Like, huh Wayne waalms.
Speaker 11: So I called my daughter, I say, guess what.
Speaker 12: I just got the phone Wayne Wams.
Speaker 11: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 11: She was like what.
Speaker 2: Mom.
Speaker 11: I was like, yes, I was like, I can't believe this.
Speaker 12: Call all my sisters.
Speaker 11: It was like meeting. It was He's you know, I mean,
Speaker 11: it's like that was something that's deep, you know. And
Speaker 11: I'm not into celebrities, you know, I'm just not, you know,
Speaker 11: because they don't do nothing for me. So, you know,
Speaker 11: but to actually speak to Wayne Williams, and I know
Speaker 11: from doing a little research that I've done on him,
Speaker 11: and you know, which didn't tell me too much.
Speaker 12: He's a very.
Speaker 11: Intelligent guy, very intelligent.
Speaker 12: I was just excited.
Speaker 3: You said he was a like an icon, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what do you think he represents?
Speaker 11: I don't know exactly what he represents. He represents hisself,
Speaker 11: you know, And I know he's been advocating to get
Speaker 11: out of there, you know, and like everyone else, he
Speaker 11: just wants to live his life but he's I think
Speaker 11: he's a good person.
Speaker 12: Think he probably was just a scapegoat.
Speaker 11: And he seemed kind of weird, you know, from when
Speaker 11: I look at the films and stuff back in the day, like,
Speaker 11: you know, a little nerdy type, you know. But he
Speaker 11: was smart, smart. I know, he was into electronics and radio,
Speaker 11: you know. But it seemed like he kept to himself
Speaker 11: back then.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 11: It's sad, But I don't know. I really don't know
Speaker 11: what he represents. I don't know what he represents. I
Speaker 11: just talked to him. That was that brief five minute conversation.
Speaker 11: He just told me call me, address me Ms McCain
Speaker 11: and told me who he was. And then he proceeded
Speaker 11: to talk about Anthony and how bright and intelligence he
Speaker 11: really thinks he is, and.
Speaker 12: He's talented, you know.
Speaker 11: He told me how talented he is, and he said
Speaker 11: he has his lawyer helping with Anthony's case, and he
Speaker 11: said he didn't want anything, He just wanted us to advocate,
Speaker 11: you know, for him.
Speaker 8: In what way.
Speaker 11: I'm assuming, like his story or whatever he's trying to
Speaker 11: convey to the outside world, that he wants us to
Speaker 11: grab a hold of that and help convey the message
Speaker 11: because everybody doesn't listen to podcasts. Like I said, I
Speaker 11: never didn't even know what a podcast was, you know,
Speaker 11: And that's all he asks in a return.
Speaker 8: As a mother.
Speaker 3: Is there any part of you that has any sort
Speaker 3: of fear or sense of uneasiness that Anthony cellmate was
Speaker 3: accused of doing something like that?
Speaker 11: I don't think, because I know I don't think he
Speaker 11: does he did anything. My fear was for like five years,
Speaker 11: was that something would happen to my.
Speaker 12: Son, you know, person inside prison.
Speaker 11: That was my biggest fear. Yeah, you know, I just
Speaker 11: pray for him, you know, and he comes out of
Speaker 11: this thing unscathed and in his right mind, you know,
Speaker 11: to be become productive citizen outside those walls, you know.
Speaker 11: And now I'm just like I'm smiling every day because
Speaker 11: I know it's now we're on count down.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 11: I'm just ready for my son to get busy, get
Speaker 11: to work, live its life, find a nice lady, get married,
Speaker 11: have me some grand babies. You know, Hey, what more
Speaker 11: could you ask for?
Speaker 15: You know?
Speaker 11: And I can fatten them up and feed them everything
Speaker 11: and bake them everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 12: I was ready for him to come.
Speaker 8: Home, of course.
Speaker 3: Tracy isn't the only one who's unsure about Wayne's conviction.
Speaker 3: After meeting Tracy, I spoke to another family member of
Speaker 3: a victim, Jeffrey Mathews's cousin Mel. Growing up, Nell saw
Speaker 3: first hand what Jeffrey's murder did to his family emotionally,
Speaker 3: and he told me his entire family doubts they'll ever
Speaker 3: get closure.
Speaker 16: Jeffrey, you know, he was a very good kid. He
Speaker 16: was very you know, mantable, smart. You know, he was
Speaker 16: you know, playful, like to go to the you know,
Speaker 16: the stores and stuff and you know, make pocket mining
Speaker 16: and stuff.
Speaker 12: But he was a very good kid.
Speaker 16: And the night he went missing, his mother sent him
Speaker 16: to the store to run in for her, and he
Speaker 16: was taking so long to come back, so she sent
Speaker 16: his oldest brothers go look.
Speaker 12: For him, and he never did return, and.
Speaker 16: It was over eleven months before they found him.
Speaker 3: What does your family think about what happened to him?
Speaker 16: The only thing we know is he just he back in,
Speaker 16: you know, in ninety eighty he went to the store
Speaker 16: and he never did return, So far as us ever
Speaker 16: knowing what really happened to him, probably never let to know.
Speaker 9: Do you think Wade lives wolves and his murdered.
Speaker 16: No, I never do think that. What well, I cauldn't
Speaker 16: really see him as really being any one that hurt anybody.
Speaker 16: He was just too much of like an intelligent, wiz
Speaker 16: kind of like guy, and he wanted to be like
Speaker 16: known into the media and you know, kind of like
Speaker 16: a big entrepreneur guy. And I just can't see him
Speaker 16: even hurting anybody. He just didn't look that energetic enough
Speaker 16: to me.
Speaker 12: He didn't.
Speaker 10: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: If he is.
Speaker 16: Guilty of some of the murders, you know, I would
Speaker 16: I would just you know, hope for them to just say, well,
Speaker 16: we're gonna just go after him for those and then
Speaker 16: bring the right other killers to justice for the Recipe
Speaker 16: cases and just properly prosecute them. My family has been
Speaker 16: through you know, hell like chaotic miss you know, not
Speaker 16: knowing what happened.
Speaker 8: If we don't know.
Speaker 16: Anything, they had, they had to get it over with,
Speaker 16: They had to get it over with, and it was
Speaker 16: just like when they solve the case, it's like the
Speaker 16: world to stop listening. But we just really want to
Speaker 16: know what happened and why that's about it, just want
Speaker 16: to just get.
Speaker 12: Closure and what's good.
Speaker 14: Take.
Speaker 16: Well, it's gonna take the right people at the right
Speaker 16: time to come along and say, well, let me try
Speaker 16: to right this wrong. Just get these get these families
Speaker 16: closed because they need it.
Speaker 3: If there are so many people like mel and Anthony's
Speaker 3: mom who aren't convinced of Wayne's guilt and the only
Speaker 3: evidence of his involvement was trace fiber evidence, how was
Speaker 3: he in jail? Well, the FBI profilers played a huge
Speaker 3: part in that. At the time of the Atlanta child murders,
Speaker 3: FBI profiling was a pretty new practice. I asked Macomas
Speaker 3: and Popcorn for more detail about the profile that was
Speaker 3: made prior to Wayne Williams arrest, and I have to
Speaker 3: admit it was eerily accurate.
Speaker 10: Our profilers, and John Douglas being one of them, had
Speaker 10: given us twenty one points that we could look for
Speaker 10: that this guy would resemble, and one of them was
Speaker 10: is that he would be very conscious of the news media.
Speaker 10: And also John said he would be driving a white car,
Speaker 10: which he was. He said he'd be an only child,
Speaker 10: which he was. I think out of the twenty one
Speaker 10: out of the twenty one points he hit about twenty
Speaker 10: of them. It was spooky. Yeah, it's an amazing science,
Speaker 10: which I've never understood, but we had two guys that
Speaker 10: were the best in the world at that time at it.
Speaker 10: In my layman's I think is a social path. I
Speaker 10: think he exhibits all the characteristics.
Speaker 15: Based on the profile. Basically is going to be a
Speaker 15: blackmail released from prison, arrested for a minor traffic infraction,
Speaker 15: impersonated at a police officer. And we got a list
Speaker 15: of three thousand names, and damn if Wayne Williams's name
Speaker 15: wasn't on that list, we eventually would have sent two
Speaker 15: agents out to interview him. Wayne was on that list
Speaker 15: because he had been arrested for, of all things, in
Speaker 15: personing a police officer who were expecting a guy with
Speaker 15: one eye in the middle of his forehead and horns,
Speaker 15: who expecting the devil himself? And what he got was
Speaker 15: who is this guy?
Speaker 5: Small?
Speaker 15: Not very threatening at all. Who is this guy? That's
Speaker 15: Wayne Williams. Get him out of here, Get him the
Speaker 15: hell out of here. He's not the killer because he
Speaker 15: comes across as a nerd.
Speaker 3: Let's refer back to Jasper and Eric Cameron. They grew
Speaker 3: up in West Atlanta during the nineteen eighties. What did
Speaker 3: they think when Wayne Williams turned out to be the boogeyman.
Speaker 8: According to the News, he's.
Speaker 17: Like the picture to post a child for the Atlanta
Speaker 17: Missing the murder kids. You get what I'm saying now,
Speaker 17: Like that's when they said that mister murderschers. First thing
Speaker 17: think about Wayne Williams. That was the bigger man of Atlanta.
Speaker 17: Like they show us this picture him, and you know
Speaker 17: how we be judge Midler.
Speaker 8: You know, he looked like yeah, you know, he had.
Speaker 17: The glasses and yeah, he looked like he could do
Speaker 17: some shit like that, you know, you know how people
Speaker 17: be judgemental, you know, really, but you know, it was
Speaker 17: I mean, it was kind of hard to believe.
Speaker 8: Honestly.
Speaker 17: I think he could have done some things, but I
Speaker 17: don't think he killed all those kids.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: My whole thing was.
Speaker 17: At the time, it was like a lot of racial
Speaker 17: stuff going on, and I think at the time they
Speaker 17: didn't want it to be something that would separate the
Speaker 17: city racially. You know, they didn't want it to be
Speaker 17: you know, they didn't want to find out it was
Speaker 17: some white guys or the Klan or something. You know,
Speaker 17: they didn't want that because they knew what it will happen.
Speaker 18: Kind of like what was going on there with the
Speaker 18: thing like divisive? Yeah, like you know that divide people.
Speaker 18: You could bring in confusion and really could tell part
Speaker 18: every thing we like, the police say he did it,
Speaker 18: he did it.
Speaker 8: You know you believe the police. I mean, at least
Speaker 8: you want to believe the police.
Speaker 18: Back then, though, you look at the police officers, ask
Speaker 18: your safety net. You know, some people had bad experiences
Speaker 18: with cop before. The most part, you look at police
Speaker 18: as like they here to protect and look out for us,
Speaker 18: to make sure we're okay.
Speaker 8: The day.
Speaker 18: To be honest with you, it is so much information,
Speaker 18: good or bad that how can I say this not
Speaker 18: it's always a beautiful thing. But sometimes with everything being
Speaker 18: so open, I don't know if that's good because it
Speaker 18: desensitized people way it is now, man, the world just
Speaker 18: so desensitized. Man, Like you'll get more intention now from
Speaker 18: going to somebody taping the recorder slapping them on the
Speaker 18: street than really helping them.
Speaker 8: Back in the day. You see something happening, you will help. Now.
Speaker 8: The first thing you hear somebody world star. You know
Speaker 8: it's not for real.
Speaker 17: It's like shit going on to somebody holling world star,
Speaker 17: Like really now you don't look at the police.
Speaker 18: It's saying like if people don't look at them, to
Speaker 18: say look.
Speaker 17: At and for whatever reason, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 17: like you kind of if the police you be like,
Speaker 17: I don't know, you know, I can't really let me see.
Speaker 8: Let's look at the evidence.
Speaker 17: Yeah, you know, let's dissect the evidence. You know, everybody
Speaker 17: a forensic scientists, all these shows on TV now and
Speaker 17: all this, Let's check the evidence.
Speaker 8: I began asking Wayne for some hard evidence.
Speaker 3: I needed names, stories and leads to follow up on
Speaker 3: or else I couldn't even tell the story he was
Speaker 3: painting for me.
Speaker 8: Jasper and Eric were right in times.
Speaker 3: Of doubt, you have to go back to the evidence,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, there's not too much to go off of
Speaker 3: in this case. But Wayne promised me that he had
Speaker 3: big things to share, things that would shake the foundation
Speaker 3: of his conviction.
Speaker 6: You're gonna get to hear from Sidney Dorsey, who was
Speaker 6: an ex He was the person responsible men putting me
Speaker 6: in prison. Now he wants to tell the story about
Speaker 6: the witnesses he paid and why he did what he did.
Speaker 6: I'm not in the theories. I'm in the facts and
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, is there some facts that we have
Speaker 6: from an investigative point of view, from their side of
Speaker 6: the case, that have never been revealo publicly. These are
Speaker 6: the types of things that I want to put out
Speaker 6: and let people come to their own conclusion of You're
Speaker 6: gonna hear from a number of people who were involved
Speaker 6: in this case who didn't necessarily come forward, and they'll explain.
Speaker 1: To you their reasons.
Speaker 6: And on this, you're gonna have a mundands of people
Speaker 6: that are going to say, Okay, well, let me show
Speaker 6: you this. You know that's what's gonna happen, and you're
Speaker 6: gonna find out all of what happened behind the scenes
Speaker 6: on this. It'll be one of the biggest stories you've
Speaker 6: ever done. I promise you that once you hear that story,
Speaker 6: you're gonna say, oh my god, you're gonna really understand
Speaker 6: this story.
Speaker 3: But it was hard to get the details out of them.
Speaker 6: You're gonna find out about all of that. You're gonna
Speaker 6: get all of them. You're gonna get all of them.
Speaker 6: You're gonna get that, We're gonna get all of that
Speaker 6: for you. You're gonna get the whole deal. All of
Speaker 6: this is gonna open up You're gonna have more than
Speaker 6: enough background on that. I'm gonna definitely talk about that.
Speaker 6: Y'all gonna believe it is incredible. These are things that
Speaker 6: you're gonna learn as we talk all of that. You're
Speaker 6: gonna get all of that. You're gonna get all of
Speaker 6: the Trust me, You're gonna get all of it. You're
Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna get a hold of you. You've got
Speaker 6: a lot to talk about, man, So believe you're gonna
Speaker 6: get it all. You're gonna get that. You're you're gonna
Speaker 6: get all of that. Don't don't worry about it. That's
Speaker 6: gonna come.
Speaker 8: Over time.
Speaker 3: I picked up on some of Wayne's stories and began
Speaker 3: looking into them. The next thing Wayne brought up was
Speaker 3: physical evidence that linked some of the victims to other
Speaker 3: suspicious groups.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I think it's several thousand fingerprints that they
Speaker 6: took in this case. There's not a single finger print
Speaker 6: if the victims. Hey, if you were saying twenty thirty,
Speaker 6: I don't have a many it was, we don't even know.
Speaker 6: If you were saying these folks had association with Wayne
Speaker 6: Williams and his environment, sure that would have been some
Speaker 6: forensic governance a fingerprint for some of the victims in
Speaker 6: a house car or some of my nothing. You understand
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. This was a true witch hunt. So
Speaker 6: and we want to attack the witnesses that lied and
Speaker 6: why they lied under this right here, because they were
Speaker 6: trying to get a half million dollar reward.
Speaker 8: Wayne seemed to be right about this the fiber evidence.
Speaker 12: At least.
Speaker 3: A Washington Post article from nineteen eighty two quotes crime
Speaker 3: lab microanalyst Larry Peterson, who worked this case and stood
Speaker 3: behind the fiber evidence. He's quoted saying, we didn't have
Speaker 3: any bullets or fingerprints, only what we got off the bodies.
Speaker 6: Hey, you've got groups of killings. Some of them were
Speaker 6: unrelated to others. They just happened to the same time.
Speaker 6: You've got six or eight pieces that we know that
Speaker 6: white supremacists were involved, and we know this for a fact,
Speaker 6: including certain there are certain physical evidence Caucasian fibers you
Speaker 6: never heard about. We know for a fact in six
Speaker 6: of those murders. We know this for a fact based
Speaker 6: not just on their assumption, but based on the physical
Speaker 6: and biological evidence to finding a Caucasian fibers. In addition
Speaker 6: to witness Deneverans on the scientific evidence. We know this
Speaker 6: for a fact, but I don't want it to be
Speaker 6: put out. Whether KKK put out at lad murders. Oh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: we don't understand. We know they did six.
Speaker 3: According to FBI records, two Caucasian head fibers were found
Speaker 3: on the body of Charles Stevens, but it didn't seem
Speaker 3: to be a recurring pattern from what I could find
Speaker 3: at least. And then Wayne brought up a homosexual ring.
Speaker 6: We know that another six cases were involved in a
Speaker 6: homosexual ring going on in Atlanta, Black homosexual ring.
Speaker 19: It's been learned that investigators have now found this man,
Speaker 19: Tom Terrell and questioned him today about his role in
Speaker 19: some type of homosexual ring operated out of this home
Speaker 19: in northwest Atlanta. That ring apparently involved the latest child victim,
Speaker 19: Timothy Hill, and through recent findings, may have linked together
Speaker 19: several other children on the task Force list.
Speaker 3: I read about this man, Tom Terrell in my research,
Speaker 3: and he did seem like a pretty suspicious and potentially
Speaker 3: dangerous man. Tom Yrrell owned two houses on Gray Street,
Speaker 3: one that may have been a haven for pedophiles and
Speaker 3: sex offenders, and one that was his place of residence.
Speaker 3: A witness said that Heat had sex with one of
Speaker 3: the Atlanta child murder victims, Timothy Hill, at one of
Speaker 3: Tom Tyrrell's houses on Gray Street. He also claimed to
Speaker 3: have seen at least ten other victims at the same house.
Speaker 19: Terrell knows this man, Larry Marshall, now in a Connecticut
Speaker 19: jail on armed robbery charges.
Speaker 20: Marshall is believed to have known at least three of
Speaker 20: the victims, Patrick Biltazar, Timothy Hill, and Joseph Bell, who
Speaker 20: was still missing before his arrest. Marshall shared a house
Speaker 20: in West Atlanta with this man, Jerry Thornton. Thornton says
Speaker 20: police showed him pictures of the child victims and he
Speaker 20: recognized ten of them, and Marshall is an.
Speaker 8: Acquaintance of Tom Terrell.
Speaker 20: Terrell lives in this house on Gray Street, Northwest, where
Speaker 20: several of the victims are said to have spent some time.
Speaker 20: The house has also been linked to an alleged sex
Speaker 20: for a higher ring involving young boys. Police have been
Speaker 20: watching the house and investigators have talked to Terrell a
Speaker 20: number of times so far.
Speaker 19: Though no one revolving around this homosexual ring has been arrested.
Speaker 8: As a suspect.
Speaker 21: It's not known what Tom Terrell has told police or
Speaker 21: just how helpful Larry Marshall might be if he decides
Speaker 21: to cooperate, but even investigators who are skeptical about Marshall's
Speaker 21: possible contributions to the case say this sex ring is
Speaker 21: an important investigative theory certainly worth following up.
Speaker 19: These are members of gay dignity homosexuals who don't like
Speaker 19: what the media has been reporting the last few days.
Speaker 19: Those reports center around a possible sex ring that includes
Speaker 19: homosexual mens, one of them being Marshall. Investigators know Marshal
Speaker 19: knew Timothy Hill and possibly other boys on the task
Speaker 19: force list. Hill and the others hung out here in
Speaker 19: a northwest Atlanta home owned by and admitted homosexual. Although
Speaker 19: there is no hard evidence, the task force is looking
Speaker 19: into the possibility that some type of sex ring may
Speaker 19: be involved in the killings. These gays think the word
Speaker 19: homosexual has been used too.
Speaker 12: Much, you know.
Speaker 22: They reemphasize homosexual in every adjective or nouns in most
Speaker 22: cases when they're talking about this incident, rather than just
Speaker 22: speaking of the word sexual as I stated earlier. In
Speaker 22: many cases when there's rape and so involved. The headlines
Speaker 22: do not read heterosexual man. It reads sexual assault or
Speaker 22: something like that, but it does not read heterosexual. And
Speaker 22: the word black. You know, another comparison, when it's a
Speaker 22: person who is a criminal, they don't refer to the
Speaker 22: person as a black man, or a Yellow man or
Speaker 22: a Chinese man. They refer to him as a man.
Speaker 19: The gays already think they are stereotyped and that the
Speaker 19: latest theory involving homosexuals will do nothing to help the problem.
Speaker 19: They're afraid that if it is a homosexual committing the crimes,
Speaker 19: then they all will be condemned, not just the one person.
Speaker 19: They have now offered to help the task force in
Speaker 19: any way hoping to stop the implications.
Speaker 14: Clearly, homophobia continues to be rampant. People are not necessarily
Speaker 14: speaking candidly and freely about gay identity. There is a
Speaker 14: lot of incredibly inappropriate conflation with gayness and predatory behavior,
Speaker 14: and particularly with gayness and predatory behavior towards children. So
Speaker 14: you know, it's not a distant step for people who
Speaker 14: are thinking in that way to think, well, certainly somebody
Speaker 14: who's gay would be somebody who might be a danger
Speaker 14: to children and et cetera, et cetera, etc. Although there's
Speaker 14: clearly no real evidence for such a connection, and so
Speaker 14: that clearly seems to have had a role to play
Speaker 14: in how people were thinking, first of all, about the murders,
Speaker 14: thinking about that children, thinking about the taboo around, talking
Speaker 14: about how some of the children were assaulted not just
Speaker 14: because of a kind of respect for victims, but also
Speaker 14: because of a sense of soiling of tainted nests, because
Speaker 14: of any kind of connection with homosexual activity. So like
Speaker 14: all of that was a part of that conversation. And
Speaker 14: then you have these murders, clearly of young black gay men.
Speaker 14: Whether it's part of this pattern or a separate issue,
Speaker 14: it's hard for me to understand how the murders of
Speaker 14: these fully adult, albeit young men feel the same as
Speaker 14: the murders of six and eight nine year olds. But
Speaker 14: all of that serves together to further marginalize, vilify, shroud
Speaker 14: in secrecy and taboo, and taint the victims and to
Speaker 14: stomachs the ultimately the man who's accused of the murders.
Speaker 23: During that time period, we were not looking at child
Speaker 23: trafficking the way we are now. We didn't talk about
Speaker 23: child prostitution back then. And how children could have been
Speaker 23: picked up and used for illicit means. During that time,
Speaker 23: very homophobic time too. People could not accept people for
Speaker 23: who they were, and every person who was a homosexual
Speaker 23: was considered to be a pedophile, which is not true.
Speaker 23: It was so disheartening to see that negativity that also
Speaker 23: was pointed at.
Speaker 12: The gay community. But that was the time.
Speaker 23: Thanks be to God, we have grown, but that was
Speaker 23: really very frightening. That was never looked into, as far
Speaker 23: as I know by law enforcement sex trafficking, not homosexuality.
Speaker 10: But sex trafficking.
Speaker 23: So you know, did they look into known pedophile. I mean,
Speaker 23: it could have been a pedophile who did.
Speaker 3: This, no matter how you slice it. Wayne became a suspect.
Speaker 3: The night he was stopping the bridge.
Speaker 10: We had two people under both sides of the bridge,
Speaker 10: police cadets, and of course we kept him hitting out
Speaker 10: and then in close proximity we had a chase car
Speaker 10: on each side of the bridge, and they too blended
Speaker 10: in so that they couldn't be seen. In about two
Speaker 10: or three in the morning, they heard a huge splash woke.
Speaker 15: Up the two guys underneath the bridge, one of them
Speaker 15: who was a high school swimmer. He said, that's a
Speaker 15: body hitting the water. And he looks up and he
Speaker 15: radios his friend across the bridge. Is there a car
Speaker 15: on the bridge.
Speaker 10: And there was only one vehicle on that bridge.
Speaker 15: The guy says, yeah, it's starting to move slowly.
Speaker 10: The car appeared to be just starting up again like
Speaker 10: it had been stopped, and it was going two or
Speaker 10: three miles an hour. Then across the bridge circled around
Speaker 10: I think a convenience store.
Speaker 15: Pulls around right in front of a police car, hiding
Speaker 15: in the bushes, and goes back up the highway to
Speaker 15: a two eighty five will. They chased him down and
Speaker 15: as soon.
Speaker 10: As he pulled off, that's when our cars tagged him.
Speaker 6: They got him.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ambiguity about what actually happened that night,
Speaker 3: so I asked Wayne for his account the officer's Wayne
Speaker 3: mentions in his account our agent Greg Gilliland of the
Speaker 3: FBI two rookie Atlanta police recruits, Officer Bob Campbell and
Speaker 3: Officer Freddie Jacobs, and Atlanta police veteran Carl Holden. Allegedly
Speaker 3: the recruit, officer Campbell was stationed under the bridge and
Speaker 3: officer Jacobs was stationed on the bridge. And Holden was
Speaker 3: in his car at a nearby liquor store. The James
Speaker 3: Jackson Parkway bridge connects two counties, Fulton County and Cobb County,
Speaker 3: and apparently at the time of the incident, there was
Speaker 3: a liquor store on the Fulton County side South Cobb Parkway.
Speaker 3: The route Wayne was apparently taking that night goes over
Speaker 3: the Chattahoochee River. The Chattahoochee, of course, is where bodies
Speaker 3: have been showing up.
Speaker 9: I hadn't even gone to sleep. I had been up
Speaker 9: all day feeling the pictures an kid time. I was
Speaker 9: coming from a trying to find an address off the
Speaker 9: touth coff Promptly it turned out to be a fake address,
Speaker 9: and one of the auditions we had back quite often
Speaker 9: then address was no Goods house. Returning home, and as
Speaker 9: I came home, like I said, I went south on
Speaker 9: South Corosk promptly across the bridge and across the bridge,
Speaker 9: I turned into that gravel parking lot to my right,
Speaker 9: briefly turned you know, turn on the lights, look number.
Speaker 9: Turned back on the road pro seated about a quarter
Speaker 9: of a mile to what I identified as the liquor store,
Speaker 9: which is on the left, so I picked up some
Speaker 9: boxes there Boston the street. I made a call and
Speaker 9: turned back north warner back across the bridge. Used to
Speaker 9: get on my tweeted high. As I a fortued the bridge,
Speaker 9: I saw a car headlights.
Speaker 6: Come halfway in the road.
Speaker 9: He full back and then he passed and turned him
Speaker 9: behind him. He turned out that the headlights were those
Speaker 9: of Carl Holding, the Atlanta police officers who was parked
Speaker 9: beside the liquor store at the bridge. They followed me
Speaker 9: on to tweeted five before hours, stop hamble the load
Speaker 9: of bridge. He says he heard a splash. This was
Speaker 9: the radio sequence one one thousand, two thousand three. During
Speaker 9: this time, cambl said he was sweet.
Speaker 6: He got up.
Speaker 9: He walked about fifty yards to the edge of the river.
Speaker 9: He shined his light on the water. He says he
Speaker 9: saw ruppers and say he looked up on the bridge.
Speaker 9: He looked up back down at the river three times,
Speaker 9: and he said, Freddy, is there a car and the bridge.
Speaker 9: I just heard a splash. Benny says, yes, it's coming
Speaker 9: towards me.
Speaker 6: I got it.
Speaker 9: Dug Fia is filling that, Yeah, I got it, just
Speaker 9: coming towards me. Stops that's the time of sequence they
Speaker 9: testified to the court. That's the contradiction. During that sequence,
Speaker 9: there's no way any car could have been born south
Speaker 9: on the bridge, turn into the gravel park line and
Speaker 9: turn back north. That's the absolutely hostibility that car Mine
Speaker 9: hadn't have been traveling north the entire time of sequence.
Speaker 9: The bottom line is there was no splash.
Speaker 8: Next time on Atlanta Monster, do you hear my voice?
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Speaker 24: I don't know what the belief I wasn't told what
Speaker 24: the believed material listed younger, naive new air rebels against
Speaker 24: a parent ass back was like Chris Krossky and lost
Speaker 24: in the streets. Reality turned thoughts to debris and a
Speaker 24: heart to concrete.
Speaker 2: Weighing me down.
Speaker 24: I don't know what to believe, wearing me down.
Speaker 12: I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah,