WEBVTT - Wayne's World [5] 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:13.320 Hello, You are receiving a call from Whitewaya You an 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:18.320 inmate at a correctional facility. Press one to consent to 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.759 the delivery of a pre recorded message with information on 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.520 how you can arrange to receive calls from your incarcerated 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.440 loved one. Your cell phone location may be collected and 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:36.120 possibly used for investigative purposes. You are now being transferred 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.840 to securest Customer Care. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.800 Thank you for colleague. Secured Technologies, the leading provider of 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:49.640 inmate telephone services. 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Your confirmation number is to. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:56.320 Zero one name zero one one second one five four 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:03.400 two zero seven one four nine five seven five nine Wow. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:09.960 If you would like me to repeat that, press nine no. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.119 Your Advanced Connect account has been successfully opened. You can 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.360 start receiving calls within an hour. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:38.400 Goodbye, This conference is being recorded. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.160 Everybody. Yeah, can you hear Wayne? 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.680 Oh yeah, dang, can you hear Wayne? 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.200 I can? Can you hear me? 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.400 Okay? 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:52.240 Okay? 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.000 Is this pain is your Yeah? 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.280 This is pain. That's my first name. We've got Payne, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.600 Wayne and Dwayne. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.480 To tell it. My way to me is not really 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.040 was important because my way is the right way, and 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.400 it's the truth about what happened. You know, were to me? 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.280 You know, let the butt fall where it may, you know, wherever, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.000 because there's only one true truth is truth, you know, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.280 And and all this I guess fake as we say 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.160 as we hear all this stuff. You know, I'm not 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.239 into that either. And the truth in this case is 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.120 really simple. It's not complex or anything, but it's just 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.200 it's the truth that people may not want to hear, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:32.720 and it's the truth that they have to hear to 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.440 understand what happened. And it continues to happen. Now, let 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.240 me give you just a little so and by the way, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.960 if time goes, we have to come up and call 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.440 it because I'll explain to you as we go to 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.680 mechanics and how we got to communicate it all because 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.680 it's kind of weird here, you know, so, so basically 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.960 what we're what we were looking for from a documentary 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.440 point of view, there's a multi cart thing to tell 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.240 the story. You can't tell it in sixty minutes, like 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.160 you not both know it's not important. In other words, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.000 people don't need to hear and see what that's not 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.880 what's important. These other people have a story to tell. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.880 They're gonna tell my story for me. That's what I'm saying. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.440 You understand what I'm getting that you're gonna you will 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.880 fully understand once we get into this. Because one thing 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.400 about prison, you can't fool these guys a year. If 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.960 these people thought I killed somebody had done something like that, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.960 I'd have been dead the first day I get the 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.720 county jail. Are you understanding me? I'm in a close 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.880 security prison and a dog with eighty other inmates. Shank's 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.280 now all that floating around. You got crips, bloods, geed, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.320 all kinds of games here, and I got down good 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.240 relations with all of them. If they thought that, I 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.680 wouldn't be you know, you understanding what I'm saying. This 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.040 is the reality that you're gonna get to telling his story. 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:37.280 Man. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.560 You know you can't fool con If they can smell it, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.200 they can smell a w rec if there's a wreck. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.359 You know, it's almost like a dog. You know, a 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.200 dog knows an evil person for the good. They'll start growling, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.040 you know, so so you know it'll come out. This 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.320 isn't about Wayne, This isn't just about me. This is 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.760 for all those families who never got justice of all 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.039 these years. They deserve some answers because I'm in a 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.280 prison now with two family members. I'm here with the 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.240 uncle and a cousin of two of the murder victors. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.599 We play ball every day together. If you understand what 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.440 I'm saying, we need to tell this to I'll see 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.359 that hurt and pain they've shared. We have shared things. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.919 There's a bond right there that needs to be told. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.720 Family members. We're in contact will They have given us 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.440 information and at least eight of the cases they know 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.800 who killed the people, but the police refused to act on. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:28.760 These are the things that we need to bring out 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:29.800 in these documentaries. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.800 I've heard from the FBI, the APD, and victims' families. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.320 Now it's time to hear from Wayne. I asked Wayne 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.760 what he wanted to say, What did he personally want 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.000 to put out to the world. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.120 My thing is put the facts out and and speak 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.040 for yourself. We don't need to doctor it up. Just 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.200 just put it out there. And when we explain, like 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.960 things like the bridge so called bridge incident, what did 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.120 and did not happen, Like Dwayne and I have talked to, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.560 it'll make sense now once we can go through you 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.680 hear it all. You an't going to believe it. It's incredible. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.760 Also in the podcast. In other words, there's another component 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.440 on this. I have been doing a lot of work 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.239 with the younger generation, in particular the music Committee community 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.479 to getting them involved. Okay, one of which, by the way, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.400 is my Salemate. He's a twenty one year old kid 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.000 who grew up in everything. He's a writer, not only 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.440 a rap star, but he's very intelligent. He actually wrote 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.839 that the name of my life story is called Shadow Drinks. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.400 He actually wrote the theme song for that, and I 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.279 want to include in the podcast through doing some of 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.440 his writings and all comments on the social comments thereity. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.480 You know, that's another way of telling it reaching the 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.240 younger audience. So with you and the reason why. This 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.920 is somebody and you may find this incredible, but this 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.280 is somebody who lives with me twenty four hours a day, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.479 seven days a week. We're on the same referee. He 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.119 knows me probably better than my own family at this point. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.120 And if you want to know what Oney Williams is 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.359 really right, Anthonyspense is the person you ask you understand 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.000 what I'm saying. And the other part I'm asking you 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.240 to do, like I said, is on a young man 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.400 I want to launch as recording artist, Anthony Spencer. Let 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:05.400 me first give you thank. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:06.800 You, producing securists. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.680 Goodbye this old time. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.480 He gonna call back in like thirty seconds. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.400 I was pretty surprised. Did Wayne have an artist? 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.920 He was trying to manage from prison, another young black 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.040 male like Jimmy. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.040 But this time the artist wasn't sell me. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.160 From what I could tell, Wayne was doing in prison 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.800 exactly what he was doing in Atlanta in the nineteen eighties, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:41.440 being a talent scout. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.080 Okay, we're back, Okay, But like I said, that's my 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.000 roommate and he's gonna you know, I really want to 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:55.200 tell in music his words about as a young kid 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.760 just hearing about this about getting that story out to 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.040 the young people. Understand what I'm saying. That's a powerful way. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.040 As a matter of fact, what I want you to do. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.320 I want you to just introduce yourself briefly to him 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.040 like here here he is right now, just telling me 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.480 who you are with what we're going to be doing. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.000 Just very but hereious, how you doing? 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.640 Saying how you doing? 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.640 Like wise? Likewise? Uh, well, like Wayne was saying, my 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:24.120 name is Anthony Spencer, and upon me. You know, I 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:29.880 just started like really becoming aware of everything that's going on, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.760 been going on for some time, and it was really 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:40.079 like hell being removed from my eyes. And I'm I've 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.920 just been doing a lot of writing, scene writing on 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.880 those types of things. Oh yeah, I'm working on something 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.000 like specifically for. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.920 This, and I'm I have it done. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.040 Like I'm having done as soon as possible, like no 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.800 later than tomorrow, like I have been. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:09:02.600 Here's one okay, Yeah, he keeps me level here, excuse 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:03.079 me little. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.080 This was almost unbelievable to me. Had Wayne tried to 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.640 promote fellow inmates as artists before or was this the 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.680 first time? And how exactly could someone develop a music 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.760 career from prison. Anthony sounded like a young, eager and 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.640 anyable guy and above all, he sounded excited to send 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.520 me his music inspired by Wayne's story. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.520 This is somebody who knows me better than anybody, and 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.560 we need to put him out there because the public 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.120 relations are trying to reach the age group over where. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.719 You meet this guy and his family, you will understand 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.280 we need to put him out there. Get with Dwayne, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.400 get with his mother, and we want to go ahead 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.079 and we want to put him as that invest in 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.880 land him out there. It's not just an artist, but 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.120 a commentary and basically he's got his own story to 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.400 telling you. Probably in He's got the type of story 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.680 to end up a lifetime by himself. And in the 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:58.440 day time, Kayne, get in touch touch with Miss Spencer's mom. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:09:59.240 She's in Atlanta. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.800 I'm gonna call first, I'm gonna call Anthony's ma and 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:03.600 then tell. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.600 Her that I'm gonna be given her giving you her information. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.400 These phone calls with Wayne and Dwayne took a lot 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.360 of coordinating the prison email system, phone protocol, and of 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.600 course our schedules. It took multiple calls before I began 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.880 meeting anyone out side of the prison. I asked Wayne 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.199 why he thought he was in jail today. Some people 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.880 I talked to seemed to think he was a scapegoat 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.680 and that maybe this whole thing was orchestrated. Dwayne Hendrix 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.120 went as far as to say it was a full 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.640 fledged conspiracy. But I wanted to hear what Wayne thought. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.400 You get me clear? That was not, and never was 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.000 a conspiracy to get me before the factors. Nobody knew 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.640 the route I was gonna take that night of May 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.280 twenty second, regard, not even me. I am a Gemini. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.400 Gemini, there's that word again, the band that Wayne was 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.840 developing in the late seventies. Now, Wayne was using it 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.760 as his astrological inspiration for how he lived his life, 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.480 including that faithful night on the Jackson Bridge. Gemini is 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:09.320 symbolized by twins, dual personality, volatility, and a tendency to 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:10.360 switch up routines. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.640 Okay, by birth, I'm a Gemini. That was a last 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.200 minute decision I made because I'm the type of person 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.480 I'm liable to change my mind in a heartbeat or 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.760 when I like drive, getting in the car and just 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.439 going You understand what I'm saying. I'm a free spirit 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.520 that was a decision I made. The only conspiracy that 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:34.679 came in was once my name hit those FBI computers 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.199 and it got to Washington. That's when they panicked because 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.600 they had a ran contract going and because two people 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.239 in government knew of my background working for the agency 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.000 and they were afred to ever the expose that the state. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.000 Lewis Slayton didn't even want to prosecute me. They had 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:58.480 a mine held on June the twentieth, the Sunday before 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.640 excuse me before, in which George Bush personally come down 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.760 and threaten them. They say, if you don't arrest Wayne Williams, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.679 the Fans will take this case and prosecute it as 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.840 a civil rights violation. Slaton didn't even want to prosecute 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:17.200 this case. I am nothing above the Atlanta and Bulton 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.400 County and Georgia. My enemy is the federal government still is. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.559 It is not those people if it was up to 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.839 let me tell you something. The sheriff a fort in 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.480 the county when I was at Fulton County jail before 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.720 I went to trial, but I had my record, lot 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.120 of people thatsn't healed behind o jail. I used to 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.280 go out with one deputy who didn't even have a gun. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.400 We used to go out there across the street from 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.200 the jail and go to the store. Now, if that's 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.120 how much they were concerned, and they say, you know, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.280 we ain't worried about this. Are you understanding what I'm 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.920 trying to tell you? But a person does a crime 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.600 and the public doesn't understand it, say a burglary. If 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.800 you do one burglar in a neighborhood and they've had 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.360 twenty burglers in the neighborhood, they don't give a damn. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.559 You're gonna wear all of those cases so they can 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:03.040 close the books. Because prosecutors in Georgia are elected officials. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.520 They are not appointed, they're elected, and that's one of 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.560 the biggest flaws in the criminal justice system. They go 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:15.160 on votes. It's about closing cases. Bottom line. Who whatever 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.000 suspect they came up with. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:18.600 The you have one that left. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.520 That's the way it works. It was simple a matter 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.200 of rector keeping close the cases to make it look good. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.079 Over ninety percent of the black community knows I didn't 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:30.440 do this and things. I'm medicine. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:31.640 But and with the. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.240 White community is just the opposite. It's only you know, 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.640 fifty percent of the white community because of articles like 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.119 CNN and what you have. It's a racially polarized perspective. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.920 And the sad part about it is these white communities 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.080 find my language, don't know diddly shit about what happened. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.920 The ones who are telling you I didn't do this 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.920 are the ones who know. But you know, it's just 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.440 like the thing going on with the police killers today, 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.319 and there's things in the stadium. In other words, oh fat, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.960 they won't air about. Well, let's just play about that. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.960 Isn't the point. The point is part of my language 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.320 just lack in my case. If those athletes have been 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.600 just any other person other than an athlete, part of 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.800 my language paying but you're gonna hear this, they would 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.640 be just another nigga to anybody else. That's the same 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.160 thing in this case. Are you understanding the relationships? Why 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.680 we have to tell it like this because the black 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.360 community has a different perspective on the Atlanta murders than 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.400 the white community, totally different, because they know and they 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.720 feel that their community had been slighted by the white 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.240 community who was more conservative just throwing money in this 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.400 and having press conferences. That's the whole hurt. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:37.160 The caller has hung up. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.200 Wayne talked rapidly during our conversation. Maybe it was a 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.560 habit formed from having to maximize time while using the 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.400 prison phone system, or maybe it's just Wayne. Some of 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.320 what he was saying directly reflected the opinions of people 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.400 like Monica Pearson and Colinda Lee. These murders were not 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.560 handled properly in the eyes of much of the black community. However, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.760 what he said about press conferences was a little conflicting. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.600 Didn't Wayne rally his own press conference at his house? 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.560 If he was so opposed to sensationalizing the news, why 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.120 would he have done that. The next thing Wayne brought 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.240 up was his attorney, Lynn Whatley. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.800 Well, next conference call, we're gonna have to involve the 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.600 attorney Lynn. And I want to tell your point blank. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.120 I don't use this language, but he's an asshole, okay 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.520 to deal with, but he's an essential asshole to tell 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.200 the story because he's been burnt so many times. I 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.440 don't think people understand what Land's problem is, why he 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.400 doesn't return calls. And that's when fury is Dwayne, and 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.440 you know I've been through it myself. When if we've 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.720 been through not but let me tell you something. Lynn 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.960 has done everything legally correct. He's been throopped every step 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.760 of the way by the courts and prosecutory of his conduct. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.040 You're gonna find out what his frustration is in the 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.440 case because of a connection with to Dwayne, and I'll 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.560 get it to you will be later on it. He's 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.440 not afraid of anything, but it has to do with 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.680 some of his family. You'll understand as you talk on that. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.080 But the main thing is Lynn will be able to 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.880 make available for you things like the court transcripts, and 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.320 he'll be able to tell you what went on behind 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.440 the scenes. You know, he'll be able to tell you 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.200 what the Supreme Court justice told us before he died, 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.360 about the call he got from the Vice President of 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.960 the United States, you know, during the during the ovision 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.680 of Georgia Supreme Court thing. He'll be able to tell 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.800 you what happened on the DNA test and when they 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.760 went back in two thousand and nine to test the 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.120 two blood samples we had and then went back into 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.520 State the very next day of the state crime and 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.480 left say oh we lost that overnight. You'll get all 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.000 of that. Go ahead and pay that man a visit. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:41.960 Don't wait on me because he's heard or you we 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.640 talked about it. But you know what Lynn is, go 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.880 ahead and see him. But like I say, don't get 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.000 frustrated with him when he talks crazy. Talk crazy right back. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.920 To thank you for using secure us, goodbye. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.840 In a matter of just a few minutes, Winnie made 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.680 some pretty big claims about this case, from involvement from 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.960 the vice president to lost evidence. I had to talk 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.920 to his attorney, Lynn Wattley. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:20.040 Hello, this is Lynn Whitely. Please leave your message. Tell 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:22.080 thank you. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.680 At the tell him please record your message. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.480 When you finished recording, you may hang up or press. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:29.520 One for options. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.120 No matter how many times I tried to call Wayne's attorney, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.360 Lynn Wattley, I never got an answer. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.680 Finally, he responded. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.240 To one of my texts and told me he was 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.600 completely busy for the foreseeable future. Wayne said he would 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.680 talk to me and that he would provide me with 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.760 all the information I needed to see his side of 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.040 the story clearly, but apparently Lynn didn't have the time 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.480 to talk. In fact, he seemed to be actively avoiding me. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.400 The next person I contacted for Wayne's request was Tracy 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.959 Anthony Spencer's mom, Wayne's sellmate. I wanted to know more 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.360 about the person Wayne's been living with the past few years, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:15.840 especially given how Holly Wayne spoke of him. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:20.760 Anthony Spencer. He is my oldest son. He's been a 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:26.640 good kid all his life, never in any trouble in school, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:32.640 not a reprimand or anything. Everybody loves Anthony, miss goodness, 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.760 his heart and he's a good person. And when the 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.960 incident happened and he went to jail, everyone was in disbelief. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:43.639 So I said, okay, you know, and let me have 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.720 a fish fry. Let me try to raise some money 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.119 to do something, maybe a. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:47.920 Lawyer, you know. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.320 So I want to bot all his fish and I 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.320 sold six hundred dollars worth of fish in two hours. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:55.560 That's a lot of fish. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.640 That's a lot of fish. But they came to support him. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.800 You know, he's a really good person. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:05.800 Some of his. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:12.359 Friends had planned an armed robbery, a robbery to rob 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.000 the Chinese delivery man. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.560 From what his mom told me, Anthony was likely at 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.240 the wrong place at the wrong time. He wasn't part 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.040 of the plan, but he was there. Besides that, I 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.560 knew very few details about the incident, but. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.720 The judge said at the end of the trial that 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.639 he didn't want a sentence Anthony to ten years. He 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.720 knew that he didn't deserve that judge kill and it 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:39.960 was I felt that it was heartfelt, you know. He 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:41.880 didn't want to do that, but he said by law 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.960 he had to. He had no choice. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:47.720 Anthony's in tail Fair prison. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.679 He started off and Waycross and then he went to 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:57.720 Valdosta and now he's in tail Fair. Anthony has been 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.440 in prison this summer seven years. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:02.440 How's that been? 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:13.399 It's rough. I have a ten year old. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:20.240 And Anthony spends so much time with him, and it 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.840 hurts me to see them hurt, you know, cause they 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:24.560 they missed. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:29.280 There, but they're simply you know. Yeah, it's rough. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:30.760 You know. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:32.680 I feel like he should be out here l l. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.480 He made a mistake, but he should be out here 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.240 to live with his life. He doesn't know how to drive, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:39.720 you know, I don't even know if he's ever even 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.880 had sex, you know, I you know, nothing, He hasn't 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:43.840 n hasn't even. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.200 Begin to live his life. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:45.520 You know. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.320 Anthony does the newsletter in prison, and since he's been 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.560 at Telfair, he met him Lane, and I think that 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.040 helps to have someone that you can communicate with that's 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.800 there and that really understands what's going on, opposed to 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:05.199 me really understanding what prison life is like. You know, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.080 when Anthony first emailed me and told me that he 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.480 met Wayne Williams, I was. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.440 Like, wow, why. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.840 Stay away him? Do you know where that is? He 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.320 was like yeah, ma, I said, boy, that is the Jews, and. 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:25.119 I'm a child martyr. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.439 I said, now, I don't think he killed them kids, 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.160 but I don't know what Wayne be doing. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:30.600 Stay away from his. 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.320 Ass, you know exactly what I don't. And he was 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.679 like kind of distraught, you know, like, and then he 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.280 kept coming at me with it, well, this person is 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.960 going to call you, and this person is this person 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.720 gonna call you? And I'm looking at the email like whatever, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.280 you know, recently, probably about a month or so ago, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.880 you know, and I could just hear in his voice 0:21:54.720 --> 0:22:02.000