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Speaker 6: Everybody. Yeah, can you hear Wayne?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, dang, can you hear Wayne?

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Speaker 8: I can? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 8: Is this pain is your Yeah?

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Speaker 3: This is pain. That's my first name. We've got Payne,

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Speaker 6: To tell it. My way to me is not really

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Speaker 6: it's the truth about what happened. You know, were to me?

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Speaker 6: because there's only one true truth is truth, you know,

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Speaker 6: And and all this I guess fake as we say

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Speaker 6: understand what happened. And it continues to happen. Now, let

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Speaker 6: They're gonna tell my story for me. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: You understand what I'm getting that you're gonna you will

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Speaker 6: You know you can't fool con If they can smell it,

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Speaker 3: I've heard from the FBI, the APD, and victims' families.

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Speaker 6: My thing is put the facts out and and speak

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Speaker 6: Also in the podcast. In other words, there's another component

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Speaker 6: You know, that's another way of telling it reaching the

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Speaker 6: And if you want to know what Oney Williams is

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Speaker 6: really right, Anthonyspense is the person you ask you understand

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Speaker 6: I want to launch as recording artist, Anthony Spencer. Let

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Speaker 10: You, producing securists.

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Speaker 5: Goodbye this old time.

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Speaker 6: He gonna call back in like thirty seconds.

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Speaker 8: I was pretty surprised. Did Wayne have an artist?

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Speaker 3: He was trying to manage from prison, another young black

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Speaker 8: But this time the artist wasn't sell me.

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Speaker 3: From what I could tell, Wayne was doing in prison

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Speaker 6: Okay, we're back, Okay, But like I said, that's my

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Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, what I want you to do.

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Speaker 6: I want you to just introduce yourself briefly to him

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Speaker 6: like here here he is right now, just telling me

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Speaker 6: Just very but hereious, how you doing?

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Speaker 8: Saying how you doing?

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Speaker 7: Like wise? Likewise? Uh, well, like Wayne was saying, my

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Speaker 7: just started like really becoming aware of everything that's going on,

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Speaker 7: been going on for some time, and it was really

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Speaker 6: This, and I'm I have it done.

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Speaker 7: Like I'm having done as soon as possible, like no

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Speaker 6: Here's one okay, Yeah, he keeps me level here, excuse

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Speaker 3: This was almost unbelievable to me. Had Wayne tried to

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Speaker 3: career from prison. Anthony sounded like a young, eager and

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Speaker 6: This is somebody who knows me better than anybody, and

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Speaker 6: She's in Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna call first, I'm gonna call Anthony's ma and

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Speaker 3: These phone calls with Wayne and Dwayne took a lot

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Speaker 6: You get me clear? That was not, and never was

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Speaker 3: Gemini, there's that word again, the band that Wayne was

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Speaker 3: developing in the late seventies. Now, Wayne was using it

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Speaker 6: Okay, by birth, I'm a Gemini. That was a last

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Speaker 6: I'm liable to change my mind in a heartbeat or

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Speaker 6: when I like drive, getting in the car and just

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Speaker 6: that was a decision I made. The only conspiracy that

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Speaker 6: and it got to Washington. That's when they panicked because

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Speaker 6: they had a ran contract going and because two people

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Speaker 6: and they were afred to ever the expose that the state.

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Speaker 6: Lewis Slayton didn't even want to prosecute me. They had

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Speaker 6: a mine held on June the twentieth, the Sunday before

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Speaker 6: excuse me before, in which George Bush personally come down

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Speaker 6: and threaten them. They say, if you don't arrest Wayne Williams,

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Speaker 6: the Fans will take this case and prosecute it as

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Speaker 6: a civil rights violation. Slaton didn't even want to prosecute

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Speaker 6: this case. I am nothing above the Atlanta and Bulton

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Speaker 6: Well, next conference call, we're gonna have to involve the

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Speaker 6: You're gonna find out what his frustration is in the

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Speaker 6: But the main thing is Lynn will be able to

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Speaker 6: Don't wait on me because he's heard or you we

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Speaker 6: ahead and see him. But like I say, don't get

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Speaker 6: frustrated with him when he talks crazy. Talk crazy right back.

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Speaker 5: To thank you for using secure us, goodbye.

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Speaker 3: In a matter of just a few minutes, Winnie made

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Speaker 1: Hello, this is Lynn Whitely. Please leave your message. Tell

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Speaker 2: At the tell him please record your message.

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Speaker 4: When you finished recording, you may hang up or press.

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Speaker 1: One for options.

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Speaker 3: No matter how many times I tried to call Wayne's attorney,

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Speaker 11: Anthony Spencer. He is my oldest son. He's been a

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Speaker 11: So I said, okay, you know, and let me have

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Speaker 12: Lawyer, you know.

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Speaker 11: So I want to bot all his fish and I

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Speaker 8: That's a lot of fish.

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Speaker 11: That's a lot of fish. But they came to support him.

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Speaker 12: Some of his.

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Speaker 11: The judge said at the end of the trial that

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Speaker 12: Anthony's in tail Fair prison.

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Speaker 11: He started off and Waycross and then he went to

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Speaker 8: How's that been?

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Speaker 12: It's rough. I have a ten year old.

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Speaker 11: And Anthony spends so much time with him, and it

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Speaker 11: they missed.

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Speaker 12: There, but they're simply you know. Yeah, it's rough.

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Speaker 11: I feel like he should be out here l l.

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Speaker 11: He made a mistake, but he should be out here

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Speaker 11: to live with his life. He doesn't know how to drive,

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Speaker 12: Begin to live his life.

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Speaker 2: Like, wow, why.

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Speaker 11: Stay away him? Do you know where that is? He

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Speaker 12: I'm a child martyr.

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Speaker 11: I said, now, I don't think he killed them kids,

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Speaker 12: Stay away from his.

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Speaker 11: Ass, you know exactly what I don't. And he was

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: Like, huh Wayne waalms.

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Speaker 11: So I called my daughter, I say, guess what.

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Speaker 12: I just got the phone Wayne Wams.

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Speaker 11: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 11: She was like what.

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Speaker 11: I was like, yes, I was like, I can't believe this.

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Speaker 12: Call all my sisters.

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Speaker 12: He's a very.

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Speaker 12: I was just excited.

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Speaker 11: I don't know exactly what he represents. He represents hisself,

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Speaker 11: you know, And I know he's been advocating to get

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Speaker 11: I look at the films and stuff back in the day, like,

441
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 11: you know, a little nerdy type, you know. But he

442
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 11: was smart, smart. I know, he was into electronics and radio,

443
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 11: you know. But it seemed like he kept to himself

444
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 11: back then.

445
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 12: You know.

446
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 11: It's sad, But I don't know. I really don't know

447
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 11: what he represents. I don't know what he represents. I

448
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 11: just talked to him. That was that brief five minute conversation.

449
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 11: He just told me call me, address me Ms McCain

450
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 11: and told me who he was. And then he proceeded

451
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 11: to talk about Anthony and how bright and intelligence he

452
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 11: really thinks he is, and.

453
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 12: He's talented, you know.

454
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 11: He told me how talented he is, and he said

455
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 11: he has his lawyer helping with Anthony's case, and he

456
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 11: said he didn't want anything, He just wanted us to advocate,

457
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 11: you know, for him.

458
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 8: In what way.

459
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 11: I'm assuming, like his story or whatever he's trying to

460
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 11: convey to the outside world, that he wants us to

461
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 11: grab a hold of that and help convey the message

462
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 11: because everybody doesn't listen to podcasts. Like I said, I

463
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 11: never didn't even know what a podcast was, you know,

464
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 11: And that's all he asks in a return.

465
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 8: As a mother.

466
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 3: Is there any part of you that has any sort

467
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: of fear or sense of uneasiness that Anthony cellmate was

468
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: accused of doing something like that?

469
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 11: I don't think, because I know I don't think he

470
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 11: does he did anything. My fear was for like five years,

471
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 11: was that something would happen to my.

472
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 12: Son, you know, person inside prison.

473
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 11: That was my biggest fear. Yeah, you know, I just

474
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 11: pray for him, you know, and he comes out of

475
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 11: this thing unscathed and in his right mind, you know,

476
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 11: to be become productive citizen outside those walls, you know.

477
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 11: And now I'm just like I'm smiling every day because

478
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 11: I know it's now we're on count down.

479
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: You know.

480
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 11: I'm just ready for my son to get busy, get

481
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 11: to work, live its life, find a nice lady, get married,

482
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 11: have me some grand babies. You know, Hey, what more

483
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 11: could you ask for?

484
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 15: You know?

485
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 11: And I can fatten them up and feed them everything

486
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 11: and bake them everything.

487
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 2: You know.

488
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 12: I was ready for him to come.

489
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 8: Home, of course.

490
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: Tracy isn't the only one who's unsure about Wayne's conviction.

491
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: After meeting Tracy, I spoke to another family member of

492
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: a victim, Jeffrey Mathews's cousin Mel. Growing up, Nell saw

493
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: first hand what Jeffrey's murder did to his family emotionally,

494
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: and he told me his entire family doubts they'll ever

495
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: get closure.

496
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 16: Jeffrey, you know, he was a very good kid. He

497
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 16: was very you know, mantable, smart. You know, he was

498
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 16: you know, playful, like to go to the you know,

499
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 16: the stores and stuff and you know, make pocket mining

500
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 16: and stuff.

501
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 12: But he was a very good kid.

502
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 16: And the night he went missing, his mother sent him

503
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 16: to the store to run in for her, and he

504
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 16: was taking so long to come back, so she sent

505
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 16: his oldest brothers go look.

506
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 12: For him, and he never did return, and.

507
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 16: It was over eleven months before they found him.

508
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: What does your family think about what happened to him?

509
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 16: The only thing we know is he just he back in,

510
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 16: you know, in ninety eighty he went to the store

511
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 16: and he never did return, So far as us ever

512
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 16: knowing what really happened to him, probably never let to know.

513
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 9: Do you think Wade lives wolves and his murdered.

514
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 16: No, I never do think that. What well, I cauldn't

515
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 16: really see him as really being any one that hurt anybody.

516
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 16: He was just too much of like an intelligent, wiz

517
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 16: kind of like guy, and he wanted to be like

518
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 16: known into the media and you know, kind of like

519
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 16: a big entrepreneur guy. And I just can't see him

520
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 16: even hurting anybody. He just didn't look that energetic enough

521
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 16: to me.

522
00:27:59,480 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 12: He didn't.

523
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 10: But I don't know.

524
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 5: If he is.

525
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 16: Guilty of some of the murders, you know, I would

526
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 16: I would just you know, hope for them to just say, well,

527
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 16: we're gonna just go after him for those and then

528
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 16: bring the right other killers to justice for the Recipe

529
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 16: cases and just properly prosecute them. My family has been

530
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 16: through you know, hell like chaotic miss you know, not

531
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 16: knowing what happened.

532
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 8: If we don't know.

533
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 16: Anything, they had, they had to get it over with,

534
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 16: They had to get it over with, and it was

535
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 16: just like when they solve the case, it's like the

536
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 16: world to stop listening. But we just really want to

537
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 16: know what happened and why that's about it, just want

538
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 16: to just get.

539
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 12: Closure and what's good.

540
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 14: Take.

541
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 16: Well, it's gonna take the right people at the right

542
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 16: time to come along and say, well, let me try

543
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 16: to right this wrong. Just get these get these families

544
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 16: closed because they need it.

545
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: If there are so many people like mel and Anthony's

546
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: mom who aren't convinced of Wayne's guilt and the only

547
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: evidence of his involvement was trace fiber evidence, how was

548
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: he in jail? Well, the FBI profilers played a huge

549
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: part in that. At the time of the Atlanta child murders,

550
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: FBI profiling was a pretty new practice. I asked Macomas

551
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: and Popcorn for more detail about the profile that was

552
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: made prior to Wayne Williams arrest, and I have to

553
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: admit it was eerily accurate.

554
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 10: Our profilers, and John Douglas being one of them, had

555
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 10: given us twenty one points that we could look for

556
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 10: that this guy would resemble, and one of them was

557
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 10: is that he would be very conscious of the news media.

558
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 10: And also John said he would be driving a white car,

559
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 10: which he was. He said he'd be an only child,

560
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 10: which he was. I think out of the twenty one

561
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 10: out of the twenty one points he hit about twenty

562
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 10: of them. It was spooky. Yeah, it's an amazing science,

563
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 10: which I've never understood, but we had two guys that

564
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 10: were the best in the world at that time at it.

565
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 10: In my layman's I think is a social path. I

566
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 10: think he exhibits all the characteristics.

567
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 15: Based on the profile. Basically is going to be a

568
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 15: blackmail released from prison, arrested for a minor traffic infraction,

569
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 15: impersonated at a police officer. And we got a list

570
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 15: of three thousand names, and damn if Wayne Williams's name

571
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 15: wasn't on that list, we eventually would have sent two

572
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 15: agents out to interview him. Wayne was on that list

573
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 15: because he had been arrested for, of all things, in

574
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 15: personing a police officer who were expecting a guy with

575
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 15: one eye in the middle of his forehead and horns,

576
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 15: who expecting the devil himself? And what he got was

577
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 15: who is this guy?

578
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 5: Small?

579
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 15: Not very threatening at all. Who is this guy? That's

580
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 15: Wayne Williams. Get him out of here, Get him the

581
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 15: hell out of here. He's not the killer because he

582
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 15: comes across as a nerd.

583
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: Let's refer back to Jasper and Eric Cameron. They grew

584
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: up in West Atlanta during the nineteen eighties. What did

585
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: they think when Wayne Williams turned out to be the boogeyman.

586
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 8: According to the News, he's.

587
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 17: Like the picture to post a child for the Atlanta

588
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 17: Missing the murder kids. You get what I'm saying now,

589
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 17: Like that's when they said that mister murderschers. First thing

590
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 17: think about Wayne Williams. That was the bigger man of Atlanta.

591
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 17: Like they show us this picture him, and you know

592
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 17: how we be judge Midler.

593
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 8: You know, he looked like yeah, you know, he had.

594
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 17: The glasses and yeah, he looked like he could do

595
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 17: some shit like that, you know, you know how people

596
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 17: be judgemental, you know, really, but you know, it was

597
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 17: I mean, it was kind of hard to believe.

598
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 8: Honestly.

599
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 17: I think he could have done some things, but I

600
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 17: don't think he killed all those kids.

601
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: You know.

602
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 8: My whole thing was.

603
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 17: At the time, it was like a lot of racial

604
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 17: stuff going on, and I think at the time they

605
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 17: didn't want it to be something that would separate the

606
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 17: city racially. You know, they didn't want it to be

607
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 17: you know, they didn't want to find out it was

608
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 17: some white guys or the Klan or something. You know,

609
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 17: they didn't want that because they knew what it will happen.

610
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 18: Kind of like what was going on there with the

611
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 18: thing like divisive? Yeah, like you know that divide people.

612
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 18: You could bring in confusion and really could tell part

613
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 18: every thing we like, the police say he did it,

614
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 18: he did it.

615
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 8: You know you believe the police. I mean, at least

616
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 8: you want to believe the police.

617
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 18: Back then, though, you look at the police officers, ask

618
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 18: your safety net. You know, some people had bad experiences

619
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 18: with cop before. The most part, you look at police

620
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 18: as like they here to protect and look out for us,

621
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 18: to make sure we're okay.

622
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 8: The day.

623
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 18: To be honest with you, it is so much information,

624
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 18: good or bad that how can I say this not

625
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 18: it's always a beautiful thing. But sometimes with everything being

626
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 18: so open, I don't know if that's good because it

627
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 18: desensitized people way it is now, man, the world just

628
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 18: so desensitized. Man, Like you'll get more intention now from

629
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 18: going to somebody taping the recorder slapping them on the

630
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 18: street than really helping them.

631
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 8: Back in the day. You see something happening, you will help. Now.

632
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 8: The first thing you hear somebody world star. You know

633
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 8: it's not for real.

634
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 17: It's like shit going on to somebody holling world star,

635
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 17: Like really now you don't look at the police.

636
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 18: It's saying like if people don't look at them, to

637
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 18: say look.

638
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 17: At and for whatever reason, you know, it's kind of

639
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 17: like you kind of if the police you be like,

640
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 17: I don't know, you know, I can't really let me see.

641
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 8: Let's look at the evidence.

642
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, you know, let's dissect the evidence. You know, everybody

643
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 17: a forensic scientists, all these shows on TV now and

644
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 17: all this, Let's check the evidence.

645
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 8: I began asking Wayne for some hard evidence.

646
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: I needed names, stories and leads to follow up on

647
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: or else I couldn't even tell the story he was

648
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: painting for me.

649
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 8: Jasper and Eric were right in times.

650
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: Of doubt, you have to go back to the evidence,

651
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, there's not too much to go off of

652
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: in this case. But Wayne promised me that he had

653
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: big things to share, things that would shake the foundation

654
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 3: of his conviction.

655
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 6: You're gonna get to hear from Sidney Dorsey, who was

656
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 6: an ex He was the person responsible men putting me

657
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 6: in prison. Now he wants to tell the story about

658
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 6: the witnesses he paid and why he did what he did.

659
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 6: I'm not in the theories. I'm in the facts and

660
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, is there some facts that we have

661
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 6: from an investigative point of view, from their side of

662
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 6: the case, that have never been revealo publicly. These are

663
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 6: the types of things that I want to put out

664
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Speaker 6: and let people come to their own conclusion of You're

665
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 6: gonna hear from a number of people who were involved

666
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 6: in this case who didn't necessarily come forward, and they'll explain.

667
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: To you their reasons.

668
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 6: And on this, you're gonna have a mundands of people

669
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 6: that are going to say, Okay, well, let me show

670
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 6: you this. You know that's what's gonna happen, and you're

671
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 6: gonna find out all of what happened behind the scenes

672
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 6: on this. It'll be one of the biggest stories you've

673
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 6: ever done. I promise you that once you hear that story,

674
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 6: you're gonna say, oh my god, you're gonna really understand

675
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: this story.

676
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: But it was hard to get the details out of them.

677
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 6: You're gonna find out about all of that. You're gonna

678
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 6: get all of them. You're gonna get all of them.

679
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 6: You're gonna get that, We're gonna get all of that

680
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 6: for you. You're gonna get the whole deal. All of

681
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 6: this is gonna open up You're gonna have more than

682
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 6: enough background on that. I'm gonna definitely talk about that.

683
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 6: Y'all gonna believe it is incredible. These are things that

684
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 6: you're gonna learn as we talk all of that. You're

685
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 6: gonna get all of that. You're gonna get all of

686
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 6: the Trust me, You're gonna get all of it. You're

687
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna get a hold of you. You've got

688
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 6: a lot to talk about, man, So believe you're gonna

689
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 6: get it all. You're gonna get that. You're you're gonna

690
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 6: get all of that. Don't don't worry about it. That's

691
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 6: gonna come.

692
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 8: Over time.

693
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: I picked up on some of Wayne's stories and began

694
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: looking into them. The next thing Wayne brought up was

695
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: physical evidence that linked some of the victims to other

696
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: suspicious groups.

697
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 6: Oh well, I think it's several thousand fingerprints that they

698
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 6: took in this case. There's not a single finger print

699
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 6: if the victims. Hey, if you were saying twenty thirty,

700
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 6: I don't have a many it was, we don't even know.

701
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 6: If you were saying these folks had association with Wayne

702
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 6: Williams and his environment, sure that would have been some

703
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 6: forensic governance a fingerprint for some of the victims in

704
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 6: a house car or some of my nothing. You understand

705
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. This was a true witch hunt. So

706
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 6: and we want to attack the witnesses that lied and

707
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 6: why they lied under this right here, because they were

708
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 6: trying to get a half million dollar reward.

709
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 8: Wayne seemed to be right about this the fiber evidence.

710
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 12: At least.

711
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: A Washington Post article from nineteen eighty two quotes crime

712
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: lab microanalyst Larry Peterson, who worked this case and stood

713
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: behind the fiber evidence. He's quoted saying, we didn't have

714
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: any bullets or fingerprints, only what we got off the bodies.

715
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 6: Hey, you've got groups of killings. Some of them were

716
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 6: unrelated to others. They just happened to the same time.

717
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 6: You've got six or eight pieces that we know that

718
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 6: white supremacists were involved, and we know this for a fact,

719
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 6: including certain there are certain physical evidence Caucasian fibers you

720
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 6: never heard about. We know for a fact in six

721
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 6: of those murders. We know this for a fact based

722
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 6: not just on their assumption, but based on the physical

723
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 6: and biological evidence to finding a Caucasian fibers. In addition

724
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 6: to witness Deneverans on the scientific evidence. We know this

725
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 6: for a fact, but I don't want it to be

726
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 6: put out. Whether KKK put out at lad murders. Oh no, no, no, no, no,

727
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 6: we don't understand. We know they did six.

728
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: According to FBI records, two Caucasian head fibers were found

729
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: on the body of Charles Stevens, but it didn't seem

730
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: to be a recurring pattern from what I could find

731
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: at least. And then Wayne brought up a homosexual ring.

732
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 6: We know that another six cases were involved in a

733
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 6: homosexual ring going on in Atlanta, Black homosexual ring.

734
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Speaker 19: It's been learned that investigators have now found this man,

735
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 19: Tom Terrell and questioned him today about his role in

736
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 19: some type of homosexual ring operated out of this home

737
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 19: in northwest Atlanta. That ring apparently involved the latest child victim,

738
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 19: Timothy Hill, and through recent findings, may have linked together

739
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 19: several other children on the task Force list.

740
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: I read about this man, Tom Terrell in my research,

741
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: and he did seem like a pretty suspicious and potentially

742
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: dangerous man. Tom Yrrell owned two houses on Gray Street,

743
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: one that may have been a haven for pedophiles and

744
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: sex offenders, and one that was his place of residence.

745
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: A witness said that Heat had sex with one of

746
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: the Atlanta child murder victims, Timothy Hill, at one of

747
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: Tom Tyrrell's houses on Gray Street. He also claimed to

748
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: have seen at least ten other victims at the same house.

749
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Speaker 19: Terrell knows this man, Larry Marshall, now in a Connecticut

750
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 19: jail on armed robbery charges.

751
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 20: Marshall is believed to have known at least three of

752
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 20: the victims, Patrick Biltazar, Timothy Hill, and Joseph Bell, who

753
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 20: was still missing before his arrest. Marshall shared a house

754
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 20: in West Atlanta with this man, Jerry Thornton. Thornton says

755
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 20: police showed him pictures of the child victims and he

756
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 20: recognized ten of them, and Marshall is an.

757
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 8: Acquaintance of Tom Terrell.

758
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 20: Terrell lives in this house on Gray Street, Northwest, where

759
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 20: several of the victims are said to have spent some time.

760
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 20: The house has also been linked to an alleged sex

761
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 20: for a higher ring involving young boys. Police have been

762
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 20: watching the house and investigators have talked to Terrell a

763
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 20: number of times so far.

764
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 19: Though no one revolving around this homosexual ring has been arrested.

765
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Speaker 8: As a suspect.

766
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Speaker 21: It's not known what Tom Terrell has told police or

767
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 21: just how helpful Larry Marshall might be if he decides

768
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 21: to cooperate, but even investigators who are skeptical about Marshall's

769
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 21: possible contributions to the case say this sex ring is

770
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 21: an important investigative theory certainly worth following up.

771
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 19: These are members of gay dignity homosexuals who don't like

772
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 19: what the media has been reporting the last few days.

773
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 19: Those reports center around a possible sex ring that includes

774
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 19: homosexual mens, one of them being Marshall. Investigators know Marshal

775
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 19: knew Timothy Hill and possibly other boys on the task

776
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 19: force list. Hill and the others hung out here in

777
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 19: a northwest Atlanta home owned by and admitted homosexual. Although

778
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 19: there is no hard evidence, the task force is looking

779
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 19: into the possibility that some type of sex ring may

780
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 19: be involved in the killings. These gays think the word

781
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 19: homosexual has been used too.

782
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 12: Much, you know.

783
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 22: They reemphasize homosexual in every adjective or nouns in most

784
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 22: cases when they're talking about this incident, rather than just

785
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 22: speaking of the word sexual as I stated earlier. In

786
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 22: many cases when there's rape and so involved. The headlines

787
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 22: do not read heterosexual man. It reads sexual assault or

788
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 22: something like that, but it does not read heterosexual. And

789
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 22: the word black. You know, another comparison, when it's a

790
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 22: person who is a criminal, they don't refer to the

791
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 22: person as a black man, or a Yellow man or

792
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 22: a Chinese man. They refer to him as a man.

793
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Speaker 19: The gays already think they are stereotyped and that the

794
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 19: latest theory involving homosexuals will do nothing to help the problem.

795
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 19: They're afraid that if it is a homosexual committing the crimes,

796
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 19: then they all will be condemned, not just the one person.

797
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 19: They have now offered to help the task force in

798
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 19: any way hoping to stop the implications.

799
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 14: Clearly, homophobia continues to be rampant. People are not necessarily

800
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 14: speaking candidly and freely about gay identity. There is a

801
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 14: lot of incredibly inappropriate conflation with gayness and predatory behavior,

802
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 14: and particularly with gayness and predatory behavior towards children. So

803
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 14: you know, it's not a distant step for people who

804
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 14: are thinking in that way to think, well, certainly somebody

805
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 14: who's gay would be somebody who might be a danger

806
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 14: to children and et cetera, et cetera, etc. Although there's

807
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 14: clearly no real evidence for such a connection, and so

808
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 14: that clearly seems to have had a role to play

809
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 14: in how people were thinking, first of all, about the murders,

810
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 14: thinking about that children, thinking about the taboo around, talking

811
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 14: about how some of the children were assaulted not just

812
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 14: because of a kind of respect for victims, but also

813
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 14: because of a sense of soiling of tainted nests, because

814
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 14: of any kind of connection with homosexual activity. So like

815
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 14: all of that was a part of that conversation. And

816
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 14: then you have these murders, clearly of young black gay men.

817
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 14: Whether it's part of this pattern or a separate issue,

818
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 14: it's hard for me to understand how the murders of

819
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 14: these fully adult, albeit young men feel the same as

820
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 14: the murders of six and eight nine year olds. But

821
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 14: all of that serves together to further marginalize, vilify, shroud

822
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 14: in secrecy and taboo, and taint the victims and to

823
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 14: stomachs the ultimately the man who's accused of the murders.

824
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 23: During that time period, we were not looking at child

825
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 23: trafficking the way we are now. We didn't talk about

826
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 23: child prostitution back then. And how children could have been

827
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 23: picked up and used for illicit means. During that time,

828
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 23: very homophobic time too. People could not accept people for

829
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 23: who they were, and every person who was a homosexual

830
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 23: was considered to be a pedophile, which is not true.

831
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 23: It was so disheartening to see that negativity that also

832
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 23: was pointed at.

833
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 12: The gay community. But that was the time.

834
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Speaker 23: Thanks be to God, we have grown, but that was

835
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 23: really very frightening. That was never looked into, as far

836
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 23: as I know by law enforcement sex trafficking, not homosexuality.

837
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 10: But sex trafficking.

838
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 23: So you know, did they look into known pedophile. I mean,

839
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 23: it could have been a pedophile who did.

840
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: This, no matter how you slice it. Wayne became a suspect.

841
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: The night he was stopping the bridge.

842
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 10: We had two people under both sides of the bridge,

843
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 10: police cadets, and of course we kept him hitting out

844
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 10: and then in close proximity we had a chase car

845
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 10: on each side of the bridge, and they too blended

846
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 10: in so that they couldn't be seen. In about two

847
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 10: or three in the morning, they heard a huge splash woke.

848
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 15: Up the two guys underneath the bridge, one of them

849
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 15: who was a high school swimmer. He said, that's a

850
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 15: body hitting the water. And he looks up and he

851
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 15: radios his friend across the bridge. Is there a car

852
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 15: on the bridge.

853
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 10: And there was only one vehicle on that bridge.

854
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 15: The guy says, yeah, it's starting to move slowly.

855
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 10: The car appeared to be just starting up again like

856
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 10: it had been stopped, and it was going two or

857
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 10: three miles an hour. Then across the bridge circled around

858
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 10: I think a convenience store.

859
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 15: Pulls around right in front of a police car, hiding

860
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 15: in the bushes, and goes back up the highway to

861
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 15: a two eighty five will. They chased him down and

862
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 15: as soon.

863
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 10: As he pulled off, that's when our cars tagged him.

864
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 6: They got him.

865
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ambiguity about what actually happened that night,

866
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: so I asked Wayne for his account the officer's Wayne

867
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: mentions in his account our agent Greg Gilliland of the

868
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: FBI two rookie Atlanta police recruits, Officer Bob Campbell and

869
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: Officer Freddie Jacobs, and Atlanta police veteran Carl Holden. Allegedly

870
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: the recruit, officer Campbell was stationed under the bridge and

871
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: officer Jacobs was stationed on the bridge. And Holden was

872
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: in his car at a nearby liquor store. The James

873
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: Jackson Parkway bridge connects two counties, Fulton County and Cobb County,

874
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: and apparently at the time of the incident, there was

875
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: a liquor store on the Fulton County side South Cobb Parkway.

876
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: The route Wayne was apparently taking that night goes over

877
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: the Chattahoochee River. The Chattahoochee, of course, is where bodies

878
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: have been showing up.

879
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 9: I hadn't even gone to sleep. I had been up

880
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Speaker 9: all day feeling the pictures an kid time. I was

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Speaker 9: coming from a trying to find an address off the

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Speaker 9: touth coff Promptly it turned out to be a fake address,

883
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Speaker 9: and one of the auditions we had back quite often

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00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 9: then address was no Goods house. Returning home, and as

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Speaker 9: I came home, like I said, I went south on

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Speaker 9: South Corosk promptly across the bridge and across the bridge,

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Speaker 9: I turned into that gravel parking lot to my right,

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00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 9: briefly turned you know, turn on the lights, look number.

889
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 9: Turned back on the road pro seated about a quarter

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Speaker 9: of a mile to what I identified as the liquor store,

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Speaker 9: which is on the left, so I picked up some

892
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 9: boxes there Boston the street. I made a call and

893
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 9: turned back north warner back across the bridge. Used to

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Speaker 9: get on my tweeted high. As I a fortued the bridge,

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Speaker 9: I saw a car headlights.

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Speaker 6: Come halfway in the road.

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Speaker 9: He full back and then he passed and turned him

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Speaker 9: behind him. He turned out that the headlights were those

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Speaker 9: of Carl Holding, the Atlanta police officers who was parked

900
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Speaker 9: beside the liquor store at the bridge. They followed me

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Speaker 9: on to tweeted five before hours, stop hamble the load

902
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Speaker 9: of bridge. He says he heard a splash. This was

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00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 9: the radio sequence one one thousand, two thousand three. During

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Speaker 9: this time, cambl said he was sweet.

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Speaker 6: He got up.

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Speaker 9: He walked about fifty yards to the edge of the river.

907
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 9: He shined his light on the water. He says he

908
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 9: saw ruppers and say he looked up on the bridge.

909
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 9: He looked up back down at the river three times,

910
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 9: and he said, Freddy, is there a car and the bridge.

911
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 9: I just heard a splash. Benny says, yes, it's coming

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Speaker 9: towards me.

913
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Speaker 6: I got it.

914
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Speaker 9: Dug Fia is filling that, Yeah, I got it, just

915
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 9: coming towards me. Stops that's the time of sequence they

916
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Speaker 9: testified to the court. That's the contradiction. During that sequence,

917
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Speaker 9: there's no way any car could have been born south

918
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Speaker 9: on the bridge, turn into the gravel park line and

919
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 9: turn back north. That's the absolutely hostibility that car Mine

920
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 9: hadn't have been traveling north the entire time of sequence.

921
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 9: The bottom line is there was no splash.

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Speaker 8: Next time on Atlanta Monster, do you hear my voice?

923
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you have to go to the opposite side

924
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Speaker 3: of them.

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00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 13: So we have the rope with a clip that can

926
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 13: clip on to Randy and then we have it clipped

927
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Speaker 13: on this side sticked into the ground over here.

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Speaker 1: So we want to get a camera on pane as

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Speaker 1: quick as potiball. Then Candler will have his camera up here.

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Speaker 6: We're good, up here, We're ready on here.

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Speaker 8: Call God, I here, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Action.

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Monster is an investigative podcast toll week by week

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Speaker 3: and Vanity Set. Audio archives courtesy of WSB News Film

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Speaker 3: and Videotape Collection, Brown Media Archives, University of Georgia Libraries.

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Speaker 8: For the latest updates, please visit.

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Speaker 3: Atlantamonster dot com or follow us on social media. One

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Speaker 3: last thing, we've set up an Atlanta Monster tip line.

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Speaker 3: Anyone with information, leads, or personal accounts pertaining to the

942
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Speaker 3: Atlanta child murders can call us and leave a message.

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Speaker 8: The number is one.

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Speaker 3: Eight three three two eight five six six sixty seven. Again,

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Speaker 3: that's one eight three three two eight five six six

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Speaker 3: sixty seven.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 24: I don't know what the belief I wasn't told what

949
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 24: the believed material listed younger, naive new air rebels against

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00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 24: a parent ass back was like Chris Krossky and lost

951
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 24: in the streets. Reality turned thoughts to debris and a

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Speaker 24: heart to concrete.

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Speaker 2: Weighing me down.

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Speaker 24: I don't know what to believe, wearing me down.

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Speaker 12: I don't know what to believe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,