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Speaker 1: My colleague Jack Fitzpatrick, Bloomberg Government Congressional reporter, he was

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Speaker 1: to be giving a campaign style type of speech about well,

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Littman, political playbook co author, good friend of

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Speaker 1: So what changed? Because Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby,

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Speaker 1: you know, she's been dogged by those Native American that

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Speaker 1: little bit. And she but she's trying to put that

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Speaker 1: that when people think of Elizabeth Warren, they think that

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Speaker 1: she's a consumer advocate. They don't know exactly what Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris stands for. Maybe they know that she's a former prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: But that's great, you know, I totally I mean, I

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Speaker 1: also think that what you said about big ideas, no

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Speaker 1: matter what you think of Senator Elizabeth Warren, you know

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Speaker 1: what she stands for. You know, you can identify policy

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Speaker 1: similarly in a way with Senator Sanders if he decides

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Speaker 1: to get back into the race. But with with Senator Warren,

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Speaker 1: you know that she's a progressive, you know that she's uh.

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Speaker 1: she's a known commodity. And I do think you're right

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Speaker 1: got to a general election and you've got somebody who's

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Speaker 1: well established as as you said, the consumer advocate kind

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Speaker 1: American issues, I don't think he can actually send that

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Speaker 1: if the other folks are running against her, say will

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Speaker 1: to me is because because when there's so many of

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Speaker 1: how would you how would you want to debate stage

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Speaker 1: good point because I've covered her on Senate banking literally

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Speaker 1: to how to be prosecutorial against folks. So yeah, she

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Speaker 1: she wants that she thinks will make American consumers and

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Speaker 1: average people thrive better in this global economy. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think she's a really really interesting uh individual to watch

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Speaker 1: and and she is, you know, she's headed I think,

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Speaker 1: Senator Amy Klobachar. She is a Democrat. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: when she announced that she was running. We are tired

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Speaker 1: of the shutdowns, in the showdowns, of the gridlock and

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Speaker 1: we say enough is enough. That was Senator Amy Klobachar,

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Speaker 1: a Democrat from Minnesota. She also is announcing that that

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Speaker 1: she's running for for president. She's someone who I think

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Speaker 1: unpopular among Republicans, Amy klobs are has an appeal to

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Speaker 1: electable and Okay, so president, we got to talk about

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Speaker 1: what Trump's we did because he said, quote, well it

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Speaker 1: happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for president,

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Speaker 1: talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a

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Speaker 1: snowman parentheses woman. I mean, I think virtually every scientist

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Speaker 1: that's not you know, I covered climate change the environment

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Speaker 1: for about any publishing any news uh and romac and

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Speaker 1: when you talk to scientists, uh and you know, other

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Speaker 1: But but not to have that debate. But to the

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Speaker 1: point of I mean Trump is literally live tweeting these announcements,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do they How do you think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a challenger at least if you're a

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Speaker 1: choice fight back against the Trump critiques or Trump attacks.

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Speaker 1: I think you just have to be well prepared for them, uh,

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Speaker 1: show I had a pretty good uh announcement that actual day,

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Speaker 1: but the few days preceding it, she was dogged by

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Speaker 1: those stories and BuzzFeed and huffing and post that got

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Speaker 1: Her former staffers complained that she was not a good

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Speaker 1: boss and was abusive to them, and so that that

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Speaker 1: may be a you know, a week long story and

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Speaker 1: maybe people don't care about in a few months, but

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Speaker 1: in you're in a Democratic primary, you have to be

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Speaker 1: seen as someone who is favorable to workers. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: do want to note that some satas who work for

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Speaker 1: her raised the issue that if she were a man,

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Speaker 1: would those stories you know, matter, or would they no,

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Speaker 1: not matter? Would they would they even have been written? Um? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You also that President Trump on offense, live tweeting the announcements,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. But the Trump inside Trump world, you

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Speaker 1: have a big scoot woman on President Trump's administration, a

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Speaker 1: little bit on defense. Yeah. So last week acos is,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Swan and Alexei McCammon broke the news of uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they got copies of three months of Trump's schedules,

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Speaker 1: private schedules, which showed that sixty percent of the time

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Speaker 1: he was an executive time, which is code for not

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Speaker 1: working in it. Though I don't know if the exactly

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Speaker 1: I mean, but it's you know, the and when you

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Speaker 1: talk to Trump as like I did, Uh, it's used

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Speaker 1: for watching television, making calls. He makes thoughts of calls,

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Speaker 1: reading the paper, responding to people. But the story that

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Speaker 1: I broke was about how uh they are really hot

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Speaker 1: on the trail of who leaked this from inside the

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Speaker 1: White House? To catch a leaker? How do you catch

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Speaker 1: a leaker? I mean serious, serious question from your reporting?

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Speaker 1: What how? How does how does a politician catch a leaker?

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Speaker 1: We've got less than a minute, So they have four

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Speaker 1: hundred people who get this schedule in the White House,

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Speaker 1: and they are looking at you know, friends and computer

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Speaker 1: records from the White House. I t office to try

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Speaker 1: to track down those, you know, potentially a career government

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Speaker 1: employee who would have leaked that. Wow, to catch a

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Speaker 1: leaker never something that Republicans and Democrats in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Never want to have to play an episode of Here

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Speaker 1: in Washington. My thanks to Jack Fitzpatrick Bloomberg, government congressional reporter,

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Speaker 1: busy times for you, my friend, and of course Daniel

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Speaker 1: Littman Bloomberg. I'm sorry, danielman politico, co author of political playbook.

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Speaker 1: Coming up tomorrow, Senator Joe Manchin, We've got a jam

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