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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's Wednesday, and that means it's time for

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Speaker 2: us to recap our old episodes with all new commentary,

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Speaker 2: updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're using it this episode to recap episode ninety one,

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Speaker 1: which we named Live at the Sony Theater in Toronto,

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Speaker 1: from our live show in Toronto, Canada.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on October nineteenth, twenty seventeen. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's listen to the intro of episode ninety one.

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Speaker 3: What's up to?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: They're they're, they're, they're they're what chern there? It is there, there,

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Speaker 3: there the magic, My mic is here, My mic is here,

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Speaker 3: my mine and there an hour and a half, that's

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Speaker 3: all we're doing. That's the show. Yay comedy. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: this is the biggest show we've ever done.

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Speaker 2: You Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good of fucking Canada. Represent Its pretty nice.

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Speaker 1: We like you guys more than our own country right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get us a green card or whatever it takes

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Speaker 2: to live here.

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Speaker 1: Please please, No, we're gonna get attained if we say that.

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Speaker 3: We're why didn't be here? I don't know, guys, can

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Speaker 3: I just explain my outfit really quick. Everyone was wondering

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Speaker 3: and waiting. I just I got a job here at

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Speaker 3: the theater two weeks ago, and I love pulling that curtain.

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Speaker 3: It's just who I am. Here's what happened. When we

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Speaker 3: were recently in Australia.

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Speaker 2: I brought these high heels with me that took up

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Speaker 2: all this room in my suitcase. And every day I

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Speaker 2: scorned them and I hated them and I glared at them.

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the ten day trip, I

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Speaker 2: left them on my hotel room bed, like fuck you,

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Speaker 2: you're on your own in a foreign country, piece of

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Speaker 2: shit high heel shoes.

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Speaker 3: They're on their way back to her right now. That's right,

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Speaker 3: sad journey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like those those cats that can walk all

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Speaker 2: the way home and like their owners move five hundred

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Speaker 2: miles away years later, like here I am, you, son

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Speaker 2: of a bitch. But I conveniently forgot that when I

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Speaker 2: went to put all my things together for this trip.

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Speaker 2: So I had my fancy, fancy dress last night, and

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Speaker 2: then I realized when I got to the theater, I

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Speaker 2: did not have shoes for very very fancy dress. And

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Speaker 2: so Georgia's like, that's Okay, you canvern that, and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, thank god, this is actually what I want to wear.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, yeah, let's hear it for theater blast.

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Speaker 2: They're so slimming, or at least you can tell yourself

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Speaker 2: that I just made that up. And I never took

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Speaker 4: No I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Did you just know?

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Speaker 2: But me? Yep?

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Speaker 1: And the thing is it works for you because you're

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Speaker 1: like you're you were goth. Anyways, where when I had

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Speaker 1: when we decided to when we decided to wear black

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Speaker 1: is like fucking Paisley shit that like Missus Roper would

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Speaker 1: with moth holes in them. So I was like, I

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Speaker 1: have to get a black dress. I like literally owned one,

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Speaker 1: so now my closet's full of that. But you and

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Speaker 1: so you were like, let's wear what we're wearing now.

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Speaker 1: And I just had a shirt on a gray shirt

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Speaker 1: that said the husband did it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like I can't wear that and more

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Speaker 2: would you want show like this? You all had a

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Speaker 2: really good Arthur Fonzarelli leather jacket. Yeah, I was like,

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Speaker 2: of the fancy dress area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I support it, well, I did, I do me will, thanks,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a but wait, but there is a surprise

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Speaker 2: because George's dress has you guys are like Celine Dion.

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Speaker 2: It's even better. George's dress has pockets.

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Speaker 3: Check it out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm wearing and I'm like, I'm blaming it

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Speaker 1: on you, but I'm so fucking happy to be doing it.

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Speaker 1: The truth is to not wear my shitty shoes uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: Look at them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she bought the first pair of toms. That's them

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Speaker 4: It's not no children or help with these shoes.

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Speaker 3: You can tell I'm a bad person from across the room.

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Speaker 4: But the fact that I bought these shoes because.

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Speaker 2: You were like, I could buy toms and support children.

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Speaker 1: Tom's come all the way up on the thing and

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Speaker 1: they just don't look good on me. So I'm getting

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Speaker 2: Guys. Here's the best thing that's happened. I feel like

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Speaker 2: since we've gone on tour.

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Speaker 3: Today. We pulled off the freeway driving up from Detroit

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Speaker 3: Rock City, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 3: And we stopped off in Done.

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Speaker 2: I know it's because Georgia had to pee and there

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Speaker 2: was no gas station right off the freeway, so we

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Speaker 3: Little bit the town. Yeah, we'll keell it in town.

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Speaker 2: And we pulled over at like a what looked like

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Speaker 2: a little groceries corner grocery store, and Georgia jumps out.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'll be right back and runs inside. It

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Speaker 2: was emergency levels. Yeah. So then Vince and I are

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Speaker 2: sitting in the mini van. Yeah that's right, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: I have to P two and I'm like, yeah, why

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Speaker 3: I have to P two. We get out and we

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Speaker 2: Store and this store is half the size of the stage. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we start walking around. There's no bathroom in the store,

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Speaker 2: and Georgia is not in the store. And it was

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Speaker 2: And at first I was like, don't be crazy, you know,

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Speaker 3: There's nothing.

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Speaker 2: And then as I came back this way, I crossed

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Speaker 2: And then I was just like, this is how fucking happens.

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Speaker 2: Usually it's a baby or small child, but still it's happening.

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Speaker 3: You lost your Georgia, that we lost her in Dunham.

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Speaker 3: It's ten.

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Speaker 1: Turns out there was a door. Maybe that's what you

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Speaker 1: like not asking for permission because I've got a piece

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Speaker 1: let me even if I like, it's an emergency.

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Speaker 3: You know, try to be cute, like get really small. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's an emergency. I'm seven. I just I just saw.

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Speaker 1: I came in, saw the door and fucking booked it

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Speaker 1: through like what was obviously like the storage area.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, these people who work here got

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Speaker 1: It was one of those things where it's like, clearly,

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Speaker 1: this is not for customers because it hasn't been cleaned

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Speaker 1: in forty years. It's a mop and the corner while

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Speaker 1: Weirdly though, the toilet toilet seat warmer like attachment on it.

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Speaker 3: Oh those people know how to live, I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why they don't want anyone to use

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like they don't want other people in there

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Speaker 2: because they're like I need to go in there and

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Speaker 2: have my time. Yeah, just sit around on the toilet

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Speaker 2: for a while. I was warm, just a moment of

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Speaker 3: I don't know, have to be. I'm just gonna sit

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Speaker 1: And so then I came out of the bathroom and

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Speaker 1: Vince was like in the door, he was like where

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Speaker 1: were you? Like I was like, oh my god, was

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Speaker 1: I gone for four hours? Like one of those things

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Speaker 3: And I was like what that came out? And you

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Speaker 3: were like what happened. It was I was scared.

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Speaker 2: I was going through that thing where I'm like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it might be too early to panic, but it would

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Speaker 2: be fun to panic. So maybe I should just get

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Speaker 2: my speech ready that I've always had where I go

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Speaker 2: up to the counter and I'm like, listen to me,

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Speaker 2: my friend was in here twenty seconds ago.

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Speaker 3: And like, really deliver that.

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Speaker 2: I am like the person who's lost a per speech

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Speaker 2: that I've always wanted to give my whole life.

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Speaker 3: I need your help.

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Speaker 2: Please call your local police authorities something like that. I

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Speaker 2: was a little disappointed when you show Sorry, oh she's back.

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Speaker 3: It's over in another dimension in a plane. I didn't

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 4: New and Vince came to the.

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Speaker 3: Show, and then I got taken down to the police. Speech.

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Speaker 1: Can Munchausen by proxy mean if you like, also just

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Speaker 1: throw someone out in the middle of the wilderness.

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Speaker 3: I can't find her.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's there's got to be stories like that. There's

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess a lot of them are like that.

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Speaker 4: That's this podcast. Yeah, that's what this podcast is.

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Speaker 3: That's what we do every week.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, this is my favorite murder of podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks this is thank you. This is Georgia Hart start.

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Speaker 3: And that's Karen. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You guys are lucky because last night at the Detroit show,

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Speaker 1: someone like brought the mitten murdering nose they're called because

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Speaker 1: this isn't mitten, I guess, and this is where Detroit

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Speaker 1: is and shit, which I just think Convince points at

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Speaker 1: random places on his hand when he's telling me about

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Speaker 1: where we are. They brought us little flags, and so

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Speaker 1: the entire show last night was just flag themed because

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Speaker 1: we couldn't put the fucking flags down.

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Speaker 3: It was so much fun.

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Speaker 2: The last time you've waved a tiny triangular flag, not

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Speaker 2: a rectangular one, not anything about countries or nations or citizenship,

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Speaker 2: just a little triangle one that's just about like something

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Speaker 2: you like. I'm telling you do it as soon as

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Speaker 2: you possibly can't. I was out of my mind, filled

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Speaker 2: with joy. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was just like yeah, but it was only like

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Speaker 3: this big It was like that big.

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Speaker 4: During the whole show, we were both.

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Speaker 3: That was the show.

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Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't get a murder. They just got

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Speaker 1: dancing with flags.

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Speaker 2: In the middle of the show. As I was reading

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Speaker 2: my very serious and horrifying murder, Georgia goes, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: red flag and holds it up because it was a

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Speaker 1: She had just been like, and he took out a

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Speaker 2: Have you ever in your life ever had three thousand

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Speaker 2: But it's only like twenty feet behind the gas station

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Speaker 4: Involved, Yes, there was. I ate so many of those

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, you really came in hot with this one.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into Karen's story about the Ken and Barbie

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Speaker 4: Do I go first?

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Speaker 3: We got a thumbs up from Stephen. Yeah if Steven

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Speaker 4: She gets to take this rug home with her tonight.

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Speaker 2: How's that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of that kind of stuff, Yeah, where's the rug?

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Speaker 2: Oh they were high, Yes, they were very high last night.

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00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: We should start wearing helmets, okay, but they have to

449
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: be black. They have to be formal helmets. Uh so

450
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: onto the murder? Oh right, oh shit, girl, yeah did

451
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: you see it? Okay, So this is very heavy speak.

452
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 2: Can't help it if I have perfect vision, and you're

453
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: a really good upside down reader.

454
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: Well, heavy hitter, I'm sorry, don't go heavy hitters episode.

455
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: I think heavy hitter, But it's also it's also apology

456
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: makeup work for the city of Toronto and the country

457
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: of Canada as a whole. We owe you, guys, guys

458
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: long long ago in nineteen sixty eight when we started

459
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: this podcast, and I thought it was kind of like

460
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was what we were talking about it

461
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: to be when we first conceived of it, which was, Hey,

462
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: you and me will sit in your living room, we'll

463
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: just like talk about serial killers and murder and true

464
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: crime and stuff that we're kind of fascinated by casually conversation,

465
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: and very quickly relearned that that is absolutely not the

466
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: way you can talk about true crime because you have

467
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: to know years and cities and facts and dates, and

468
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: the truth is really important. It's a big part of it. Yeah,

469
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: And I think it was around like the third episode.

470
00:24:53,960 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: I thanks they knew they were ready to tell because

471
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: they're pits. Oh I did this one, and I talked

472
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: through it as if it happened to my neighbors.

473
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: I was so young back then.

474
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: The whole reason I wanted to do it is because

475
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: I had one actually like one person away from one

476
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: degree away story that I love to.

477
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: Tell all the time, and that's what I was building

478
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: the whole concept around.

479
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: But like, I didn't do any research at all, and

480
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: I remember some girl emailing or tweeting, but she was

481
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: just like that was horrible, and.

482
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: Then I was like, yeah, that was horrible, you're right.

483
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: And then this whole time, I've been saving it to

484
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: come to Toronto to redo.

485
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: It because I felt bad.

486
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: It was quite it was quite an awakening to realize

487
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: that I just signed up for a podcast where I

488
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: had to do a fucking book report every week. I

489
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: guess not my jam as you can well as you

490
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: well know. But anyway, tonight I'm gonna do the Case

491
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: of the school Girl Killers, the Canon Barbie Killers.

492
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: Paul Bernardo and Carla Hamalta.

493
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: For visitors, boyfriends, girlfriends, people who have never come before.

494
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: We're not cheering for the murderers. Were not. It feels

495
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 3: like we are. And I understand why that would bother

496
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: a person and maybe scare them to death.

497
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: Uh huh, that's not what's happening, at.

498
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 3: Least with me.

499
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: I shouldn't speak for everybody, all right. I got most

500
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: of the research from this retelling of the factual story

501
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: from the A and E series biography that they did

502
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: on these murders, which is actually incredibly thorough, and they

503
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: had a Scottish narrator which I think is bold.

504
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 4: Definitely.

505
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 2: The Rannadian guy was sick that day. The Canadian guy

506
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: that they've had for it, well, it was YouTube, so

507
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: it's international, I guess, unless they do only Canadian YouTube

508
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: here like they That's the thing they don't tell you

509
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: about Canada. They can take over your YouTube and.

510
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: The internet like this site can't be seen Canadian. Sorry

511
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: I boot that, Okay.

512
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: The other chunk of information or bunch of information that

513
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: I got was I stumbled upon this amazing.

514
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: Article on a website called The Walrus. Yeah, it's so good.

515
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

516
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: So a girl, a woman named Stacy May Fowls wrote this.

517
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 2: She is from Scarborough. She was eleven years old at

518
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: the time that the Scarborough rapist was at the height

519
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: of his reign of terror, and she wrote a beautiful

520
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: article that I highly recommend you go read, called Boy

521
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: next Door.

522
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: It's amazing it.

523
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: Like I cried at the end, it was really fucking

524
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: great and it made me really happy.

525
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: And I stole, stole, stole, okay, okay.

526
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: So.

527
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: Paul Bernardo was born nineteen sixty four in Scarborough, Ontario.

528
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 2: He was the youngest child to Kenneth and Marilyn Bernardo.

529
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 2: An unhappy couple. Isn't that how these always start? I mean,

530
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: what couple that we know in these stories is happy?

531
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: Oh or sober? Yeah.

532
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: His father would later face charges of being a peeping

533
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: tom and a pedophile, and he also molested Paul's sister.

534
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: So bad things were happening from jump for Paul.

535
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: He also physically verbally abused his whole family, and he

536
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: often called his wife bitch and big fat cow.

537
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: His mother was a depressive I wonder why.

538
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: And she'd also she'd often leave the family for the

539
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: weekend and just go stay with her family. And after

540
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: a while in this family, things got so bad that

541
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: she just went down and lived in the basement.

542
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: WHOA, Yeah, that's how some people cope.

543
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Just you go as low as you can, just get

544
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: way down there by the Christmas decoration, so.

545
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: So dark. It's just like, mom, is there any no

546
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: let That's okay, I'll do it. I'll do it.

547
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: So although Paul Bernardo was described as a happy child

548
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: as a youth, he when he joined the boy Scouts,

549
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: all the uh people, the leaders noticed that he really

550
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: loved starting fires.

551
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: That was his boy Scout jam. Well aren't they supposed

552
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: to start fires? I mean, there's I got scared for

553
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: a minute, but then I was like, wait a minute, but.

554
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: It's like, you get your bag and then you don't

555
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: need to start a whole bunch of other fires.

556
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: Okay, gotta got it. Is the thing smart.

557
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: So nineteen eighty one, when he was sixteen, he found

558
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: out that Kenneth wasn't his biological father, and he lost

559
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: his shit. Obviously, although in retrospect I would feel pretty

560
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: good about it. Yeah, that's a positive that Peeping Tom

561
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: is not your dad. Quit crying, Everything's fine. But of

562
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: course he was sixteen. This had been his life. It's

563
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: like he found out his whole life was a lie.

564
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: So he was furious that his mother. He blamed his

565
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: mother for the whole thing, started calling her slut and horror,

566
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, and she started calling him bastard all the time.

567
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: Just fucking good times.

568
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: Sunday to Sunday at Bernardo's house. Come over for dinner.

569
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: You're going to love it.

570
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: Uh Okay.

571
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: So after he graduates from high school, he gets a

572
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: job with Amway. Are you guys familiar with Amway? It's

573
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: like a pyramid scheme.

574
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: It's weird.

575
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: They just sent they sell a bunch of different shit,

576
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: but it's like, really, the point is that you get

577
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: more people that you know to come in and sell

578
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: this weird like laundry detergent and Shit's just a pyramid scheme.

579
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: It's like, Kevin, have you noticed how clean my shirt is?

580
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: I actually did notice that here at lunch, like, well

581
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: be with that one of us. Yes, I want my

582
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: shirt to be that clean. They're really not that clean.

583
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: But what he really picked up from working there was

584
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: this the the what they call the polemic sales culture.

585
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: Didn't look it up, not sure what it means, but

586
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: what I assume it means is pushy, pushy, pushy, like

587
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: they don't take no for an answer and they kind

588
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: of like get you from every direction. They're super manipulative.

589
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: Or it could mean casual.

590
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: Who knows. That's the joy we have this podcast. It's

591
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: all question Marquee. We have to stay true to some

592
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: of our roots, yes, or else it won't be the

593
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: podcast you listen to. That's right.

594
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: I had to leave one thing unresearched, just so you

595
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: knew I was still mean. I gotta be me, Okay.

596
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: He starts using these sales techniques to pick up women.

597
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: By the time he begins because women love detergent.

598
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: By the time he starts going to school at the

599
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: University of Toronto at Scarborough, he is displaying sure go raccoons.

600
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: He's displaying all the signs of being a psychopath, charming,

601
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: outgoing life of the party, but also an incredibly sinister

602
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: dark side that only a couple of people know about,

603
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: like his girlfriends who keep on breaking up with him.

604
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: All of his relationship like length time blinks just keep

605
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: getting shorter and shorter because women go out with him

606
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: and then they're just like, sorry, you're not allowed to

607
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: call me a slut.

608
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: I have only known you for three days. Okay, we'll

609
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: see you later.

610
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: So uh.

611
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: He actually threatened to.

612
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: Kill a couple of his girlfriends if they ever told

613
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: how abusive he was to them in their private life.

614
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Got he was fixated on conquering women. He was just

615
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: obsessed with picking them up. Having sex with them and

616
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: then making them do whatever he wanted.

617
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: All right, So.

618
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: That's Paul Bernardo in a nutshell. I'm sure there's tons

619
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: of other things to say about it. But now, Carla,

620
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: this is because that obsession that he had making women

621
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: do whatever he wanted. That's where Carla Hmunkle comes into

622
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: the scene. She was born in nineteen seventy in Port Credit, Ontario.

623
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: Her father was a traveling salesman and an alcoholic. Of course,

624
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: she had two younger sisters and Tammy. Carla was also

625
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: a bright student. She was uh she.

626
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: Oh she.

627
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: Their father was drunk, was a drunk that would insult

628
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: the whole family, and then he would.

629
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: Go down into the basement. What the fuck is that?

630
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: Fucking weird?

631
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are the chances is that a thing here?

632
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, no, everyone's parents said that.

633
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Canada. That's where all the kid cats are.

634
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: They just don't tell America, don't tell.

635
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: The us of LS.

636
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: It's what if it's very healing to go into the basement.

637
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: It's actually very good for you. They're just like, that's

638
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: our secret. It's good for your skin.

639
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 5: Okay.

640
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: So uh.

641
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: Also, when Carla's mother found out that her father was

642
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: having an affair. She told him it was fine and

643
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: to invite the mistress in for a monog law. So

644
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: there was a lot of bad relationship patterning for both.

645
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 3: Of these people.

646
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: If I had a tiny red flag, I would I

647
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: get right here, Yeah, here I go.

648
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: It would be fun, okay.

649
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: So she was described as a child as being stubborn, domineering.

650
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: She was a rebel in high school. She cut herself.

651
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: She would always claim that she was going to commit

652
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: suicide to get attention. She graduated in nineteen eighty eight

653
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: and she became a full time veterinary technician. Up until

654
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: that last part, that was so me, so mad, okay.

655
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: In May of nineteen eighty.

656
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: Seven, in Scarborough, a twenty one year old woman gets

657
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: off the bus. She's followed by a man who was

658
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: on the bus as well, and he comes up from

659
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: behind assaults her, and she ends up being the first

660
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: victim of the Scarborough rapist. And over the next thirteen

661
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: months these assaults continue and they escalate very quickly. The

662
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: Scarboro rapist begins raping women orally vaginally and anally cutting

663
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: them or penetrating them with a knife. He chokes them,

664
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: He punches them in the face. He stole one victim's ID,

665
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: noted her home address, and then threatened to kill her family.

666
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: He broke another victim's arm. All the victims were attacked

667
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: from behind, so none of them saw his face, but

668
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: they all described him as a tall young man with

669
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: light hair. While he was attacking them, he made them

670
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: call themselves degrading names like slut and whrror. So the

671
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: police call in the FBI immediately to profile this rapist,

672
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: which is a great move, and they bring in FBI

673
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: agent Greg McCrary. You have seen this guy on every

674
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: crime show there is.

675
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: He is the guy. He's the FBI agent with the

676
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: gray hair who looks really tired of crime. Like he's

677
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: like so fucking of people being bad to each other.

678
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: So like when he's explaining stuff, he's kind of quiet

679
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: like this, but he's just he's kind of like man's

680
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: in humanity to man. That's what he's saying, no matter

681
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: what he's actually saying, that's just always what he's saying.

682
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: I love Greg McCreery.

683
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: Okay, So.

684
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: He does a profile on the rapist. He says, this

685
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: is a sadistic rapist with a high probability of escalation.

686
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Young in his early twenties, local, intelligent, high functioning in

687
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 2: a dependent living situation, so probably living with his family.

688
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: It's so crazy that he was able to determine all

689
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: I fucking yeah, yeah, they know all that shit. It's crazy,

690
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: fascinating and then a psychopath obviously. So in April of

691
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eighty eight, a nineteen year old woman is

692
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: attacked after getting off the bus. She was actually pulled

693
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: between two houses and raped and yelled for help and

694
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: the people in the house has heard her and didn't respond.

695
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: Oh guys, yeah, that's not how we that's not how

696
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: we do it.

697
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: So the next month the total number of known Scarborough

698
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: rapist victims had risen to seven. So this is this

699
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: is a little bit crazy.

700
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Constable Vic Clark told the press, quote, don't.

701
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: Expect people to watch out for you if you happen

702
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: to come back at one am in the morning off

703
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: the bus, like police, right, like the police.

704
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: He said.

705
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: It'd be nice to think that you can go anywhere

706
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: you like nowadays, but don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

707
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold your hate.

708
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: Because the same month, alderman John Mackie proposed.

709
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: A curfew for women. Oh, for women. Finally, God, get

710
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: him out that straight. We've been waiting.

711
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: We told what time we're safe.

712
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: Just the logic there is, Yeah, you're curfewing the gender

713
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: that is.

714
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 6: Not creeping anybody outday.

715
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: No, no, no, come on, come on.

716
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: In a refreshing turn, the Toronto Transit Commission instituted its

717
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: Request Stop program right so, which meant that women who

718
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: rode the bus at night could tell the bus driver

719
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: you can drop me right here in front of my

720
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: fucking house and you didn't have to wait till the

721
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: next bus stop, so that women could get delivered exactly.

722
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: To where they needed to Bee's. That's what you do.

723
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: That's problem solving right there.

724
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: Moving here immediately, okay.

725
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: October seventeenth, nineteen eighty seven, Carla Molca is now age seventeen,

726
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: and she meets Paul Bernardo, aged twenty three, in a

727
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: hotel restaurant in Scarborough. Two hours later, they're having sex

728
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: in her hotel room, which no judgment. Hey, look, if

729
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: for anybody else, we'd be into it. The friends who

730
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: were with both of them that day said that the

731
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: chemistry was palpable, like it was in the air.

732
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Like it always is when to psychopacity and fall in love.

733
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: So do Stephen.

734
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: We put up that first picture of the happy couple

735
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: Barbie and Ken.

736
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: Look at those warm, welcoming eyes on both of them.

737
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: They're just.

738
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you love to sit in a hotel restaurant and

739
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: stare across at her satanic, satanic eyes and then his

740
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: whatever they're doing eyes.

741
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: And his shiny, chiny teeth with a fake smile surrounding them.

742
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: He's like, this is what humans do on cameras, come out,

743
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: This is it happiness. Well, Carlo's family thinks that Pa

744
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: Bernardo is great. They don't mind the age different. Her

745
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: parents don't mind the age difference. He's smart, good looking,

746
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: he's trained to be an accountant. Her sisters think of

747
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: him as the brother they never had. Soon he's coming

748
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: to her. She still lives with her parents, and soon

749
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: she's driving. He's driving to her house like a couple

750
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: of times a week. I think it was an eighty

751
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: mile drive from Scarborough to Saint Catharine's, which is where

752
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: she lived. She rags her friends about how mature her

753
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: twenty three year old boyfriend is. Within a year, she's

754
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: confiding to them that he has become.

755
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: Verbally abusive to her. Fuck but she always forgives him.

756
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 6: Uh.

757
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: December twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine, they take a trip

758
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: to Niagara Falls and they get engaged.

759
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: Did someone applaud No?

760
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I think someone took their compact out of their purse

761
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: because they have something in their eye.

762
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: And you're like, I love love and I don't care

763
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: like one snall and she's just like shit. Okay.

764
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: So they plan to marry in spring of nineteen ninety one.

765
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: The family's thrilled, and May of nineteen ninety just six

766
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: months later, the Scarborough Police release a composite sketch of

767
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: the Scarborough rapist based on all of the victims telling

768
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: the police schedule artist.

769
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: So can we see that composite?

770
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm so excited, Oh Steven, I wish you would have

771
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: crop that up a little higher.

772
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: Fucking why do we pay you? Oh my god? He left,

773
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: He ripped off.

774
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: His mustache and left. He looks like he's in the

775
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: style council.

776
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: He looks. Can I add another one? Yeah?

777
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: He looks like when you walk by like a cheap

778
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: hair salon and they have photos. Yeah, this is the

779
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: the called the Scarblet rapist.

780
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 3: I hate to say it out loud, but I love

781
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: the Scarborough a rapist. Look I is it wrong? I

782
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: think of the sweep over with the Great on my

783
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: Giant for Okay.

784
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: Well, here's what's crazy is Paul Bernardo's friends and his

785
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: coworkers see this and they're like, ring ring, ring nine

786
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: one one or whatever it is in Canada. Hello, get

787
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: me the fucking police right now. A ton of people

788
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: that he worked with and that we're friends with him

789
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: called the police and were like, that's Paul Bernardo and.

790
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: Can we do the side by side comparison? Yah? Yeah, shit,

791
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: I don't see it. No, I'm just saying, fuck man.

792
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: Okay.

793
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: So the police bring him in for an interview.

794
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: He's polite, he's charming, and he's calm, like any good

795
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: psychopath would be.

796
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: He volunteers his DNA what it can't be you.

797
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: They collect hair, blood, and saliva samples that are ex

798
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: sent to the lab where they will sit for two years.

799
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: I don't like that. It's nineteen ninety, okay.

800
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: So then he moves in with Carla and her parents

801
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: in Saint Catharine's and suddenly the Scarborough rapes.

802
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

803
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: He tells Carla that so this is this is where

804
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: it gets. I mean, we knew this was gonna happen,

805
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: but this is so fucked. So he tells Carla that

806
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: she can't give him the one thing he really wants,

807
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: which is her virginity, because she already gave that away,

808
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: so she can still give it to him, just through

809
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: the person closest to her, her fifteen year old sister, Tammy,

810
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: and Carla agrees. So on December twenty third, after the

811
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: whole rest of the family goes to bed, Paul and

812
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: Carla invite Tammy to stay up with them after the

813
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: and Carla has crushed sleeping pills and animal tranquilizers that

814
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: she stole.

815
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: From her job. Oh my god, is a that Yeah,

816
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: it's so dark?

817
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, into her drink, she loses consciousness. Carla puts a

818
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: rag soaked with the drug how Hallathene over her face.

819
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: Paul rapes her. When Paul's done, he tells Carla he

820
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: wants her to rape her. She does.

821
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: All of it is on videotape, so in the middle

822
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: of that, Tammy begins to vomit and then choke on

823
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: her own vomit, and.

824
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: Paul and Carla Rush put her clothes back.

825
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: On her and then call in an ambulance. In the

826
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: early hours of December twenty fourth, nineteen ninety Tammy Homolka

827
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: is pronounced dead and, aside from them serious burn marks

828
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: on her face, which Carla and Paul say must have

829
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: been rugburns. Her death is ruled an accident. A month later,

830
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: Paul and Carla move out of her parents' house in

831
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: Saint Catherine's. They move into a two story house in

832
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Port de Lucy. I did it right, good job, thank

833
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: you because I spelled it. It looks like DELUIZI kind

834
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: of just went for it that could have. I really

835
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 2: did thank you so much. It was really fucking scary.

836
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: No, it's terrifying. There's so many people here like you

837
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: guys made us share.

838
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: Not you guys, but this podcast has made us scared

839
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: of saying places in this world.

840
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: I'll never say it right ever.

841
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's guess it's not your fault, it's

842
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: our fault, but still it's your fault.

843
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: Okay.

844
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: When they're in their own house, he.

845
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: Starts to physically abusing Carla, and then when she threatens

846
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: to leave him, he reminds her he has a videotape

847
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: of her killing her own sister, and so she has

848
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: to say.

849
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: June fifteenth, nineteen ninety.

850
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: One, Paul wakes Carla up in the middle of the

851
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: night to tell her he has a surprise. He has

852
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: kidnapped fourteen year old Leslie Mahaffey out of her own backyard.

853
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: So this is super fucked. Leslie had gone out for

854
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: the day.

855
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: I think I read something where it said that she

856
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: was at a friend's funeral, and then she stayed out

857
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: past her curfew, so she probably like if her friend died.

858
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: She got drunk with her friends or something, and when

859
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: she got home it was past her curfew. Her parents

860
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: locked her out of the house, so she went into

861
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: the backyard and that's when Paul Bernarder saw her, and

862
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: he lured her into his car with a cigarette, offering

863
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: her a cigarette. She was like sure, and then he

864
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: ends up kidnapping her and taking her to the house.

865
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: Paul and Carla videotape themselves raping and torturing Leslie for

866
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, then strangle her, cut up her body,

867
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: and case.

868
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: It in cement and dump it in Lake Gibson.

869
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, on June twenty ninth, nineteen ninety one,

870
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: two fishermen spot some strange blocks in the lake as

871
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: they're fishing. When they look closer, they see the human

872
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: flesh is sticking out of the cement. It's the body

873
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: of Leslie Mahaffies. On the same day that her body

874
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: is found, Paul Bernardo and Carlo Homoka get married in

875
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 2: a Catholic church in Niagara on the lake in front

876
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: of a hundred friends and family members.

877
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: Fuck. When in the special that.

878
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: I was watching, when it switched from that to the

879
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: video of their fucking fucked up early nineties wedding, it

880
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: like the version of chills.

881
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: I got word like, this is insanity.

882
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 2: These are people who are completely cut off from any

883
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: reality of what they're doing it. It was horrifying. And

884
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: the hair in the dress so ugly is I'm sure

885
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: that was part of it, but okay. Now, Paul starts

886
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 2: telling Carla that he wants her to invite Tammy's friends

887
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: over to the house so that he can do the

888
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: same thing to Tammy's friends, and she does so. They

889
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: start drugging these girls that were friends with her sister,

890
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of these girls had no memory of

891
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: anything happening. They only found out after the videotapes were found,

892
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: and then they were informed that that had happened to them.

893
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it yeah, couldn't be darker, okay. On

894
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: April sixteenth, nineteen ninety two, Paul and Carl are driving

895
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: around looking for a new victim.

896
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: They're just full on fucking predators.

897
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 2: They see a fifteen year old girl named Kristin French

898
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: who's walking home from school. They pull into a church

899
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: parking lot. Karla gets out holding a map, and then

900
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: when Kristin walks by, she waves her of like sorry,

901
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: I need no directions, and they pull her into the

902
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: car and kidnap her. But this time there's witnesses, so

903
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: people saw. People actually saw Kristin get taken. But when

904
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: they report it to the police, multiple people say that

905
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: it was a beige Camaro. So immediately the police realize

906
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: a girl's been kidnapped, a girl's body has just been found.

907
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: We've got something serious happening. They start.

908
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: They put together what they call the Green Ribbon Task Force,

909
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: dedicated to figuring out what the fuck is going on,

910
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: and the Green River Task Force puts up this billboard. Immediately,

911
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: have you seen this car wanted in the abduction of

912
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: kristin French and there's the green ribbon. Howk line the

913
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: only problem was that Paul Bernardo drove a gold Nissan.

914
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: He did not drive a beige Camaro. So it was

915
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: a huge mislead. And April thirtieth, nineteen ninety two, Kristen's

916
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: body is found in a ditch in Burlington. She's clearly

917
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: been tortured, her hair has been cut off. Then the

918
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: violence within the marriage begins to escalate. On January fifth,

919
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, Carla goes to the emergency room. He

920
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: is Paul's beaten her with a flashlight. She has two

921
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: black eyes that go from like here to here, and

922
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: they're dark purple. She has broken ribs, extreme bruising. Before

923
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: she leaves the house to go to the emergency room,

924
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 2: she tries to go find the videotapes and she can't

925
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: find them anywhere. Twenty days later, January twenty fifth, nineteen

926
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: ninety three, the DNA samples come back that Bernardo had

927
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: given to the Scarborough Police and match the DNA of

928
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: the Scarborough rapist. So the Toronto Police bring Carla in

929
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: to talk to her, because they know you talk to

930
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: the wife, you know, like basically they have to break

931
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: the news to her and then try to get information.

932
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: And it's our boy FBI agent Greg McCrary who leads

933
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: the interview. Well, the Green Bribbon Task Force was there too,

934
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: and they did the interview and they knew everything that

935
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: was going on. They knew, so they didn't accuse her

936
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: of anything. They were more talking to her like they're

937
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: being understanding and just basically trying to get information out

938
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: of her. So basically, once she talks to the police,

939
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: she kind of knows that they're closing in on them,

940
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: so she goes to an uncle and she confesses everything.

941
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: She tells the uncles everything that they've done, and the

942
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: uncle says, you have to get a lawyer right now.

943
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: So she tells the lawyer, you have to get me

944
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: full immunity for my I'll testify against my husband, but

945
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: you have to give me immunity. So then she ends

946
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: up making a full confession saying that Paul is the

947
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 2: Scarborough rapist, that he's responsible for the murders of Kristin French,

948
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Leslie Mahaffy and her sister Tammy, and that she was

949
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: forced to participate in all of it against her will,

950
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: and then she says, all the proof that they need

951
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: is in their house on those videotapes if they just

952
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: find them. So on February nineteenth, nineteen ninety three, a

953
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: search warrant is executed in bernardo home.

954
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 3: It's a seventy one day search.

955
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Yeah, they just kept looking because they

956
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 2: couldn't fucking find these videotapes anywhere, and they ended up

957
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: not being able to find them in the house. So

958
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: without evidence, Without that kind of evidence, they only have

959
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: Carla's testimony, So they have to plea bargain with her

960
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: because they need her testimony. So she agrees to testify

961
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: against him in exchange for a reduced sentence. The whole

962
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: deal was kept secret from the public to ensure a

963
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: fair trial for Paul Bernardo. So reporters were allowed in

964
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: the courtroom the day of her sentencing, but they were

965
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: only allowed. It was a it was a publicity ban,

966
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: they were called. They called it, and they were only

967
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: allowed to report on what the charges were and what

968
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: the sentence was. They weren't allowed to report on anything

969
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: else that happened. So of course this made all the

970
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: press go crazy of like how bad is this. This

971
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: must be the worst thing ever, because they never do

972
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: stuff like this.

973
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: So in July of.

974
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three, Carla Hamalka pleads guilty to two counts

975
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: of manslaughter and she receives two twelve year sentences to

976
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: be served concurrently.

977
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: That was her deal.

978
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: She sent to Kingston Prison, and then soon after she

979
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 2: files for divorce September. Right, yeah, like at this point,

980
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, cut bait, baby, Yeah, get out a.

981
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: Lawyers like, I'm not also doing that. Yeah, you can't

982
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: pay me enough.

983
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, every psychopath for themselves. I don't have

984
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: a conscience, so I don't care about you my husband.

985
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 4: Okay.

986
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: So in September nineteen ninety four, Paul Bernardo's lawyer quits.

987
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: He's not going to represent him anymore. That's how bad

988
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 3: it was.

989
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out that the reason that the cops

990
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 2: couldn't find those videotapes inside their house is because Paul

991
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: Bernardo's lawyer had gone into the house and taken them out. No.

992
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were hidden up in just for.

993
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: Future use if you ever are looking for anything or

994
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: need to hide anything. They were upstairs in a bathroom

995
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 2: ceiling light fixture, like hidden up above.

996
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: What a dick. Yeah, the lawyer, dick lawyer.

997
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: But then when he quit, he gave the tapes to

998
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: the next lawyer who was representing Paul Bernardo, and that

999
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: guy's like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and give these

1000
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: to the cops.

1001
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: The law.

1002
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: I mean, right, yeah, let me just say this, though

1003
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: not right away, really like two weeks later. Oh, Flick

1004
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: thought about it. I mean, I don't know, it's slept

1005
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: on it. I mean for two weeks he thought about it,

1006
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: and then he was like, oh, I don't want to

1007
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: be the devil like the rest of these people.

1008
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 4: Okay.

1009
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: So May eighteenth, nineteen ninety five, Paul Bernardo's trial begins.

1010
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: Oh oh sorry.

1011
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: So once the police have the tapes, they have to

1012
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: look at them. They see what's on them, and they

1013
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: realize that her story of Paul being fully responsible for

1014
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: everything is a total fucking lie, and that she was

1015
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: happily participating in all of it in as coldly and

1016
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: horribly as he was, and that yes, she was clearly

1017
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: an abused wife, but still on the videotape didn't seem

1018
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: to be having a problem with any of it. And

1019
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: they then realized that they called it the Deal with

1020
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: the Devil, where they had just basically they they'd given

1021
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: her the easiest way out, and she was just as

1022
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: guilty as he was, according to the videotape, which you

1023
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: know is pretty objective.

1024
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 4: Okay.

1025
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: So May eighteenth, nineteen ninety five, Paul Bernardo's trial begins.

1026
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: The defense claims that Carla was the one who turned

1027
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: Paul into a murderer. He was just a plane rapist before.

1028
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: But she fucking yoko Ona that shit. She got in

1029
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: there and she fucked it up, and she should have

1030
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: a curfew. But then Carla gives her testimony, and then

1031
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: on September one, nineteen ninety five, the jury deliberates for

1032
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: eight hours and then finds Paul Bernardo guilty of all

1033
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: nine charges against him, including two counts of first degree murder. Yeah,

1034
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: he's sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of

1035
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: parole for twenty five years.

1036
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 3: No, that's not long enough. Nineteen ninety five, No, dult math.

1037
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 4: I can't Okay, that's soon, okay.

1038
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: He was also a couple months later declared a dangerous offender,

1039
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: which meant that he would likely spend the rest.

1040
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: Of his life in jail. Don't clap so fast.

1041
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, in Ontario, court ordered that

1042
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: all evidence from the Paul Bernardo Carla Homolka cases be destroyed.

1043
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: So Leslie Mahaffi and Kristin French's parents and a bunch

1044
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: of the officers and the detectives that worked on the

1045
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: case went down and witnessed all of the pictures and

1046
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: all of the videotape and all of the evidence from

1047
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: the entire case. Watched it all get destroyed, which makes

1048
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: me very happy. In two thousand and five, thirty five

1049
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: year old Carla Homolka was released from prison after serving

1050
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: a twelve year sentence. What the fuck, don't it feels

1051
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: like you're booing us? She moved to Montreal. She changed

1052
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: her name to lean TiAl. Oh, we know who she is,

1053
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: lean TiAl. That's what I would have changed my name

1054
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: to if I had to move away.

1055
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: Sure his teal is a great.

1056
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: Color, and Leanne is a name no one uses anymore.

1057
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: She got married and in two thousand and seven she

1058
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: had a baby.

1059
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no.

1060
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: It was recently discovered that she was volunteering at her

1061
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: child's school, and in June that school just released a statement,

1062
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: not naming any names, but saying that they do not

1063
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: allow anyone with a criminal record on their property, so

1064
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: she no longer volunteers for her child's school.

1065
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: Oh do we have that, Steven, Did you have that

1066
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: picture of this is modern day? Oh shit? I wonder

1067
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: her at the school. Did everyone like recognize her and

1068
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: know who she was? I think there's people out there

1069
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: that are like, excuse me, I know who she is?

1070
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't. There's she couldn't move back to her hometown,

1071
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: which is what she was going to do when she

1072
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: first got out of jail, so she had to move

1073
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: to Montreal.

1074
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: I mean not that I'm sure it's great. I love

1075
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: French people. Yeah, I had to, she had to.

1076
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: Uh. FBI profiler Greg McCrary believes Carla Hamolca may have

1077
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: been more psychopathic than Paul Bernardo, being that she was

1078
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: able to live with the murder of her own sister

1079
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: just the I mean, you can't compare psychopathy, I don't think,

1080
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: but I like the idea that he was like, you know,

1081
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: something to think about, and the whole time I was

1082
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 2: It's that thing where you're like, well, when battered women,

1083
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: aren't they you know you have battered spouse syndrome, you're

1084
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: in that situation, what would you do, yeah, or what

1085
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: would you be forced to do or whatever? Then I

1086
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: read this this piece of information that I thought was

1087
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: a pretty bone chilling. When Carla Hamolka was questioned and

1088
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: fingerprinted by the police, they noticed that she was wearing

1089
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: a Mickey Mouse watch that looked a lot like the

1090
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: one Kristen French was wearing when she disappeared. Just in

1091
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: case you had any studio worries about Carla that she

1092
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: was being persecuted. I don't think if you were in

1093
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: that situation that you'd just be like, oh a trophy, yeah, yeah, okay.

1094
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

1095
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: My hands hurt because I'm gripping this microphone so.

1096
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 7: Tightly because I'm like, oh my gosh, sorry, it's almost over.

1097
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: No, no, no, in a good way. That's not a

1098
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: bad thing. In twenty seventeen, Paul Bernardo. That's this year, so.

1099
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: He has served twenty two years of his sentence already,

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Speaker 2: which means that they're now starting to discuss parole issues.

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Speaker 3: Despite being declared.

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01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: A dangerous offender, he is in twenty eighteen or no

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01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: this year, he's eligible for day parole. Which means you

1104
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: get to leave jail and then come back in the evening.

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01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: No, that's not how works.

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01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: Well, everyone, the hearing was supposed to be in August

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: and they pushed it to October.

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 4: So and it's happening on the stage.

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01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: Hi, ladies and gentlemen, let's all get a message and

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01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: murder him.

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: We just we cause a fucking Canadian riot like you

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01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe that would be the most badass mode of

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01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: all time. Yeah. Paul Bernardo's hearing uh will likely take

1114
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: place at the Millhaven Institute in Bath, which is near Kingston,

1115
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: which is where he has been serving his life sentence.

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: He is eligible for full parole in twenty eighteen, so

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: we'll see how it goes.

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01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 3: You, guys, don't do it. Don't please, don't do it.

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 3: Who here is deciding? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So I just want to read you the final paragraph

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01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: of Stacy may Fowl's article because I loved it so much.

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01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: It's this quote.

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Speaker 2: I came across a story that ran in The Star,

1124
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: published soon after the trial concluded, which argued that Bernardo

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: was not the monster we wanted to believe him to be,

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01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: but rather one of us, a product of our culture.

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01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: A man groomed with a pervasive, violent hatred of women.

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01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: Mary lou mcphaedron, a women's rights advocate, spoken of the

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01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: insidious impact Bernardo had on our community. That he had

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01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: created an ambient trauma, even for those who had not

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01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: been directly victimized by him. It is a wound that

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: will probably never heal. The Bernardo case has been played

1133
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: out as a titillating drama, she said, and we failed

1134
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: to understand what it's done to us.

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01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: Wow, that's it, so fucked up, really terrible. You made

1136
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 3: up for episode three. I think I can't say sorry

1137
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: anymore than what I just did. That's all I can do.

1138
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: Let's no, that's it.

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: Let's go back to episode three. Stephen, take this note,

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01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Take out Karen's story.

1141
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 3: Put this in just out of the blue?

1142
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 4: Wait?

1143
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: Can I retell the whole reason I told that story

1144
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: in the first place, That story of my friends?

1145
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't remember. Is this like this one? Last?

1146
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: Things are so cold and dry? Yet no, I forgot it?

1147
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: Is I wad fast?

1148
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 4: Okay?

1149
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: My friend so Paul Greenberg, who was on a sketch

1150
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: show called The Vacant Lot.

1151
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 3: You should know him and love him. He is from here.

1152
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: Hilarious man. Now he lives in Los Angeles. You might

1153
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 3: hate him because of that. Anyhow, he's the one that

1154
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: told me the story.

1155
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: His mother was an artist and she lived in a

1156
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: high raise apartment building that a pool at the on

1157
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: the roof, and she lived in Scarborough at the time

1158
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: that all of these things were going on. In the

1159
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: beginning of it, the not the couple's schoolgirl killer time

1160
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: in the Scarboro Rapist time, she goes up on to

1161
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: swim one day. It's daytime, there's nobody up there, and

1162
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: she's doing laps. She is, I believe at the time

1163
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: she was in her late sixties or early seventies. She's

1164
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: doing laps in the pool and a young man comes

1165
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: out onto the roof as well. She doesn't really pay attention,

1166
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: she's just doing her laps, and then she finally looks

1167
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: up and realizes he's just standing at the end of

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: the pool staring at her. And as she's doing her laps,

1169
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: it's like he's just standing over her watching her swim,

1170
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: and she is super freaked out by it and really scared,

1171
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: and it's getting to the point he starts walking along

1172
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: the side of the pool as she swims, uh huh,

1173
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: and so she's shitting.

1174
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: And it's not the way she would tell the story,

1175
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure.

1176
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: Until the fucking roof door bursts open and like three

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: families with kids run out and she's like, who, I'm

1178
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: out of here. Okay, So she goes right back down

1179
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: to her apartment and sketches his face. She's like, uh uh,

1180
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: well when that when that Scarborough rapist picture came out,

1181
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: she went and pulled the sketch out and showed Paul

1182
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: and she's like, that's the man that was on the.

1183
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: Roof and it was the exact same guy. Oh my god, yeah, chills.

1184
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: I know.

1185
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: I love a firsthander. I'm sorry, I love a first stander. Absolutely.

1186
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 3: It's the best. Great job, thank you. That's okay, too much,

1187
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 3: there's too much clapping. It's too much clapping.

1188
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: It went from us kneting it and loving it and

1189
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: making making up for a lot of love we lost

1190
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: his children to just being a little too much the clapping.

1191
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: To ruining our own clapping.

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 4: Okay, we are back, Karen. You have any updates?

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01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: There are some updates. Paul Bernardo has applied for parole

1194
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: three times. October twenty eighteen, June twenty twenty one and

1195
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: November twenty twenty four. He's been denied all three times.

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01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: During his last hearing, members from both Leslie and Kristen's

1197
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: families spoke. Deliberation only took thirty minutes. He's sixty years old.

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01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: In November of twenty twenty three, he was moved from

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01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: Millhaven to Macaza, which was a medium security prison. Of course,

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: there was backlash. I mean, this man is a one

1201
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: of the worst serial rapists of all time. What's the

1202
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: need to move him to a medium security person? No,

1203
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: he's not ninety, he's sixty years old.

1204
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: Right, sixty?

1205
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

1206
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: So then there was a probe into this transfer in

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: March of twenty twenty four, after members of Parliament learned

1208
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: that the correctional facility had a hockey rank, a tennis

1209
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: court and weight rooms for its inmates. The Commissioner of

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01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: Creational Service of Canada and Kelly said the transfer was sound,

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: but it still left people with questions about quote sadistic

1212
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 2: murderers being left to enjoy freedoms and luxuries of lower

1213
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: security prisons.

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, I'm sorry, no fucking hockey if you're a

1215
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: serial killer.

1216
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: Like and this this man who's so particularly craven and

1217
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: like he was a serial rapist and then he became

1218
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: a serial killer. He is an example of how bad

1219
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: it can be if you don't tend to these people

1220
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: in some way, and you're going to be like, yep,

1221
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: let's transfer them to medium security.

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: And if I lived in that town where them security

1223
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: prison was, I would be terrified.

1224
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 4: He is still a threat. Yeah, you know, like it's

1225
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,919
Speaker 4: just I can't imagine. It's so nice.

1226
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: It still boggles my mind that she's just disappeared into society,

1227
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, like that boggles my mind too.

1228
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 4: But what are you gonna do?

1229
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna

1230
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: get into your story about the trial of Stephen Truscott.

1231
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: This is the story of the murder of h Lynn

1232
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: harper By and this case of Stephen Truce Scott, True Scott, Trustcott, Trustcott.

1233
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: Thank you Sorry, I'm ner, Okay, what is it? Trustcott,

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01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: Trustcott Trustcott the podcast I listened to, thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, So on the evening June ninth, nineteen fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: Small town of.

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: Clinton represent represent Clinton always.

1238
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, we love Clinton, We love it.

1239
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: Located near Lake here on about two hundred kilometers.

1240
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 3: How far is that?

1241
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 5: I fucking no idea.

1242
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: It's two hundred kilometers west of Toronto.

1243
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: The parents of twelve year old Cheryl Lynz We're gonna

1244
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: call her Lynn Harper, began to worry when they her

1245
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: daughter didn't come home after her girl Guides meeting around

1246
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: eleven twenty that night. Her father, who's an officer on

1247
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: the Clinton base, reported her missing. It's like a base town.

1248
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: Earlier that evening, around seven pm, Stephen True Scott Truscott

1249
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: fuck Lynn's h so he Stephen is Lynn's fourteen year

1250
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: old classmate. He'd given Lynn a ride home on the

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01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: handlebars of his bicycle. Not home, sorry, He'd get Li

1252
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: a ride on the handlebarber's bicycle. And he's questioned by

1253
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: police because he was the last person to see her alive.

1254
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: And he said he took her to the intersection of

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01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: the Country of Country Road and Highway eight.

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 3: He left her there. She started to bike.

1257
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: He started to bike away, stopped on a bridge, turned

1258
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: around and saw her get into a gray nineteen fifty

1259
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: nine Chevrolet with an out of province license plate.

1260
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: I know, sorry, sorry, I know.

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: Kilometers and that there was a lot of chrome on

1262
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: the car, so he sees her leaving in this car

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: and getting into it. He bikes on and two days later,

1264
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: on the afternoon of June eleventh, searchers discover Lynn's body,

1265
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: a few tree branches partially covering her remains, and it's

1266
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: in a nearby farm woodlot, just off a tractor trail.

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: It's a lightly wooded area known as Lawson's Bush on

1268
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: the outskirts of Clinton. It's just a little, you know,

1269
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: tree foresty area. Lynn had been raped and strangled with

1270
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: her own blouse. So Stephen becomes the immediate and only suspect,

1271
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: the fourteen year old Yeah Wow, because he was the

1272
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: last person to see her. He said he had dropped

1273
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: her off, and the parents said that she's not someone

1274
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: who would normally hitchhike, so they didn't believe him. And

1275
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: within two days of an investigation, on June twelfth, nineteen

1276
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: fifty nine, Stephen's taken into custody and after about ten

1277
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: hours of investigation, at two point thirty in the morning,

1278
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: Stephen's charge with the first degree murder of Lynn Harper Wow,

1279
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: fourteen year old Stephen. It's then decided God excuse me

1280
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: that Stephens should stand trial as an adult, which means

1281
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: he could potentially be sentenced to either life in prison

1282
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: or execution. The prosecution case is based on the fact

1283
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: that so because Lynn wouldn't hitchhike, they alleged Stephen never

1284
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: even made it to drop her off, and in fact

1285
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: it just had turned off into Lawson's bush sexually assaulted

1286
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: her before killing her. So a fucking there's a ton

1287
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: of witnesses saying the whereabouts, what they saw when they

1288
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: saw them. That are children, It's like eleven year old schoolmates,

1289
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: fourteen year old kids, and so both sides, the proshucation

1290
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: and the defense, call these witnesses to say what they saw.

1291
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: So of course on the prosecution side, they're saying that these,

1292
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, the kid who was walking home down the

1293
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: exact road, never saw them, ride their bike passed that

1294
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: kids who were hanging out at the bridge never saw them,

1295
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: and or saw Stephen alone. And so one girl, little girl,

1296
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: claimed that she was supposed to meet herself meet him

1297
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: in the bush at the time that Lynn was allegedly killed,

1298
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: So he was supposed to be there anyways, and probably

1299
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: was there.

1300
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: Is what she said now that did they do any

1301
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: kind of questioning of these children where they said, are

1302
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 2: any of you liars? Are any of are any of

1303
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: your pants? Currently on five because that sounds like that

1304
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 2: grammar school bullshit where you're like when you play telephone

1305
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: it always ends up Dolly Parton, We're just like, that's

1306
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: not what I said. Well, it's just so crazy because

1307
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: there's this really great documentary about it that I'll get to.

1308
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 2: But they talk to some of the kids and it's

1309
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: just like, remember the shit these little kids are like,

1310
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, before she was found, they're like, I saw

1311
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: Lynn and this was what happened, or I saw Steven,

1312
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 2: and you get really excited and you want to be

1313
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: part of it.

1314
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, because you're twelve and it's you know, we're forty seven.

1315
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 7: Either way, it's fun to be part of things.

1316
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: Right or say, like, you know, just get excited and

1317
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: spread rumors. Then the police come and talk to you

1318
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: and say we heard you said this, and they can't

1319
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: be like, no, I lied and made that up.

1320
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: You just go with it, and you go with it.

1321
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: Little kids then also believe themselves these you know, they

1322
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: convince themselves that this is what they saw, and.

1323
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: They know they'll get in trouble or if they are

1324
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: lying and then just you're like, well, the solution to

1325
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: that is lie more.

1326
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 3: That's always the thing. My Spans have a rolled down

1327
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: to about let's see, like they've done it in a

1328
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: way that's now making me look worse, you know what

1329
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean? Yep, it's like a little just pushing my.

1330
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: Gut up here and over the top of the Spans

1331
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: in a way that did you know that's.

1332
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 3: The new look. That's a hot look in Milan right now? Yes?

1333
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: Can I ask you this might be the problem.

1334
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: It might be it might be user error because I'm

1335
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: always like, well, I'm buying spanks, I should buy them

1336
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: at a size too small, because then they'll do what

1337
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. Girl, that's not what you're supposed

1338
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: to do. Okay, well then it's user air. Apologies to Spanks.

1339
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: You guys are doing a great job.

1340
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: The best way to do it is you get the

1341
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: Spans that came their turtle next banks.

1342
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 3: They just come right up here. God damn, they work

1343
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 3: so good.

1344
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: This is what I get for buying Spanx in a

1345
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: Spanx airport store. Literally, it's like, you know, you used

1346
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: to roll your socks down as a kid. Yeah, that's

1347
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: what's happening to my space.

1348
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: Well, up until this point, though, you were really holding

1349
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 2: your face together. Well I feel like you were like

1350
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 2: really your core was engaged and you were just like

1351
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: trying to make it work.

1352
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, okay, I was there, but still I

1353
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: also like to know the personal stuff.

1354
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie about my gut situation.

1355
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't. I can't.

1356
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: I want to lie about my gut situation every day

1357
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 2: and I just sear myself.

1358
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: It's just how it is, you know.

1359
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 2: Also, if I mean, if we're gonna be honest, part

1360
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: of my uh my little half sock that I'm wearing

1361
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 2: in these is just rolled down and it's now almost

1362
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: all the way to my tear socks match.

1363
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1364
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's the most uncomfortable. Both of us need

1365
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: to need a minute to fix our situations.

1366
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 3: Jesus. Also, I'm covered.

1367
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: No listen someone I brought this rug from home and

1368
01:14:59,160 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: I said.

1369
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: Amid a telling people.

1370
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 1: And that's where the humor comes in of this podcast,

1371
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: or does it?

1372
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: Or does it? How you doing?

1373
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 4: Listen?

1374
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: I leave? Oh fuck, I walk out through the house.

1375
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: God damn it.

1376
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 4: With your microphone.

1377
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: Yes, swearing into the microphone the whole time.

1378
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So part of okay, so part of their big

1379
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: theory the prosecutions, and really what seems to have turned

1380
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: the case and made it the strongest was okay.

1381
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 3: So the theory was that.

1382
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: Stephen never dropped Lynn off as he claimed, and actually

1383
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: between seven and seven forty five is when he killed her.

1384
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: So this timeframe is super important because pathologist John Peniston

1385
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: sure smelled spelled smelled spelled penis tan.

1386
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 3: Okay, why don't you just pronounce it that way? Then

1387
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 3: it's fun. I mean, listen, look, I can't.

1388
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: I haven't grown up.

1389
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 3: Also, is what do it? I don't want to go

1390
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: down the long slide of penis tan jokes. I just

1391
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 3: feel like, how many are there? I've got about forty

1392
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 3: seven in the chamber right now.

1393
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar, no now, So he Pathologist John Peniston.

1394
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 4: Conducted the autopsy of Lynn.

1395
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: He testifies that, so he does the thing where he

1396
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: figures out what she's eaten by knowing when how much

1397
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: food has been digested when she died. So he said

1398
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: between seven fifteen and seven forty five because of the

1399
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: food that she had eaten, that's when she died. That's

1400
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: his exact time, which even by today standards, is fucking insane.

1401
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 4: You can't do that.

1402
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: You can't figure that out.

1403
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: You mean that exactly, absolutely not.

1404
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: Okay, it's kind of one of those bunk scigns things now,

1405
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: like blood spatter and all this.

1406
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: It feels like everything's by now. I know they're taking

1407
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: it all away from us. What happened to my fibers?

1408
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1409
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 2: I love. I love when they find a fiber and

1410
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: then they're like, this cat hair fiber matches this cat hair.

1411
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 3: Fiber fibers, walk them up.

1412
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 6: The fire.

1413
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: They fiber the red fibers.

1414
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 4: Green carpet in his apartment.

1415
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 3: Okay.

1416
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: They also had shoe prints near the body, and they

1417
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: say they seemed to match Stevens, but they hadn't taken

1418
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: any measurements or plaster casts of it.

1419
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 3: Hey, why bother Just execute the fourteen year old and

1420
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: get on with it. Jesus. Fuck, that's gonna be our tagline.

1421
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 3: Just the shirts just get worse and worse with these too.

1422
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 3: I can't wear that to Thanksgiving. Even the tattoos start happening.

1423
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 4: Fuck, this is our job.

1424
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: I know, it's crazy. So good.

1425
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: I used to eat cupcakes for a living on TV,

1426
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: and now this it's pretty fucking awesome.

1427
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 3: Okay, The thing is, we don't even do it, right?

1428
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 3: Who said iucakes?

1429
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: Right?

1430
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 3: Were you one of those ones that like you bit

1431
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 3: and spit immediately?

1432
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 4: No, I ate the whole thing with the wrapper on it?

1433
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 3: Is that right? You just keep chewing spit?

1434
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: Oh?

1435
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, professionals, professionals. As for the defense, they had

1436
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 1: their own child witnesses, of course.

1437
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 2: Did you know, sorry, I just heard about this recently.

1438
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 2: Did you know the end of World War two, Hitler

1439
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: had a child army that was fighting people.

1440
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 3: No, did I dream that?

1441
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: Because so many the men of age were dead and

1442
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: they had lost so many lives, they were sending out

1443
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, like the Hitler youth where they were really

1444
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: into exercising in the thirties, and they were just like,

1445
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: put on a coat and grab a gun. Now you're

1446
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 2: going out there. Fuck pretty sure, watch the History channel.

1447
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: It's not my I it's not my area. Okay, sorry,

1448
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1449
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: I just love the phrase child witness like I'm already like, no,

1450
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I don't need that witness.

1451
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 3: And then I was at the bridge and get out

1452
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 3: of here.

1453
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 1: So these child witnesses said that they had been honornate

1454
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: the bridge and actually had seen Stephen on the bridge,

1455
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: and at first the prosecution was like, no way you

1456
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: could have seen him from that far away.

1457
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 4: And then they went and were like, oh, I see

1458
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 4: how you could have seen him from that far away.

1459
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 3: Now it all makes perfect it makes perfect sense.

1460
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: Yet still we might execute you. Don't worry about it. Yeah,

1461
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: And so that all checked out. Witnesses also noted that Stephen,

1462
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: who who met his friends at by eight o'clock, seemed

1463
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: totally normal when they saw him, and no one had

1464
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: seen Stephen entering or leaving the witted area where Lynne

1465
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: was killed.

1466
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 3: Okay.

1467
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: So despite all of this, on September thirtieth, nineteen fifty nine,

1468
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: after a trial that lasted fifteen days, the jury found

1469
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: Stephen guilty.

1470
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 3: What at that time, and you know how they announced it,

1471
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 3: how it was like my mother, what if there was

1472
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 3: a child judge? Yeah, it's like fucking Bugsy Malone from

1473
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 3: the eighties. It's just children. Oh my god. Sorry, no,

1474
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 3: never be I mean I start now, I mean not

1475
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 3: s not you, Karen. Okay.

1476
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: So the Criminal Code required that a death sentence be

1477
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: imposed for murder. So the trial judge, imagining fourteen, the

1478
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: judge says, to you, you're going to die by hanging?

1479
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 4: What death by hanging?

1480
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: That he appealed his conviction unanimously dismissed the appeal, so

1481
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: then they.

1482
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,799
Speaker 4: Commute it to just life in prison.

1483
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: So Steven spends a decade in prison, and then he's

1484
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: parolled in October twenty first, nineteen sixty nine, at age

1485
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: twenty four.

1486
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 3: So he gets out and immediately gets drafted into venal.

1487
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 4: Sorry, that would be a bummer.

1488
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm just running bad scenarios in my head at all times.

1489
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I mean, that's so fucked. It's his whole life.

1490
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 3: You go to jail when you're fourteen and you get

1491
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 3: out when you're twenty four. I know, but lyn Lynn

1492
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 3: died at twelve. It's so hard. What if he okay, okay?

1493
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I know, none of us know,

1494
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: and every I think that all of Canada is like

1495
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: it's like half and half who believes what happened?

1496
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 3: That he did it already?

1497
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 4: Didn't do it? Right.

1498
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a poll up, yeah, yeah, Do you

1499
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: have a little piece of paper under your chair?

1500
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 3: Yes or no? Next to the gun. All we want

1501
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 3: to know is yesterday.

1502
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: Don't mistake the two yes please, whatever you do.

1503
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 3: I know you guys aren't familiar with guns. They're not pens.

1504
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: So Stephen goes, lends under and assume name, shuns all

1505
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: publicity for three decades.

1506
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 4: He marries, has three children.

1507
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: Then in a two thousand episode of The Fifth Estate,

1508
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: which is a really fucking good show. I somehow knew

1509
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: that you guys would love it because every article I

1510
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: read about this was like the fifthest date, the fifthest date, and.

1511
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 3: It was fucking it's a Canadian show. Yeah.

1512
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 1: And so he finally breaks his silence and he and

1513
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: he's on the whole show, like married, telling everyone what happened,

1514
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: telling the stuff, and all these like the kid witnesses

1515
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,520
Speaker 1: are interviewed as adult witnesses.

1516
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 3: They're still kids. It's all Benjamin Button's situation. Or there's

1517
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 3: one of the adults. You're like, they're like a forty

1518
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 3: nine year.

1519
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 2: Old man, Jerry, focus, Please, you have to look into

1520
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 2: the camera. We've told you seven times.

1521
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 3: Stop what it pays? Do you candy? Okay?

1522
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: So fifthes State's investigation highlights serious problems with forensic evidence

1523
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: and showed that police were too hasty and laying charges

1524
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: in two days.

1525
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1526
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and six, around this time, the

1527
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: scientists are like, wait a minute, we don't know even now,

1528
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,839
Speaker 1: we don't know when food breaks down in the stomach

1529
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: because it's based on so many things, age, gender, diet,

1530
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: stress level, all these things. So one of the forensic

1531
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: dudes was like, really, all we can tell is what

1532
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: they ate. That's all we use this for at this point,

1533
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: so they don't even use it in it And then

1534
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: it can it can be it can ye, so's the

1535
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: mister Penistan, what.

1536
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 3: What all of that? And you landed at Penis Tan.

1537
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 3: Well that's where everyone wants to lay under really.

1538
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 1: So years later, in like the sixties, Penis Tan tells says, yeah,

1539
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: it was probably wrong about that. It could have been

1540
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: as much as two hours later when she actually died.

1541
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 3: Dude, I know, got it.

1542
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Together and then other So then these days they examine

1543
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: the original evidence and conclude that Linn may have died

1544
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: as late as twenty four hours after being with Stephen.

1545
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 1: So it's a big window. We don't use that science anymore.

1546
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: So and originally I don't want to keep saying Penis, thanks,

1547
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: and that's an old joke. Now at first point, you're forced,

1548
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean in this so doctor Pennison originally offered two

1549
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: different times. Originally he was like, could have been this time,

1550
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: could have been that time. And then it wasn't until

1551
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: they figured out when Stephen would have killed her that

1552
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: he settled on that time frame two. And it seems

1553
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: like he was like, had a change of heart at

1554
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: some point about not being a horrible person and came back.

1555
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 3: It seems like he's just as suggestible as those child witnesses.

1556
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 3: He was a child forensic pathologist.

1557
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 2: Shit, he should not let eight year olds be friends

1558
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: like pathologists anymore.

1559
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: Never again, Doogie howser, don't ruined it? No, Okay, after

1560
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: so Trustcott's always maintained his innocence. He volunt in prison.

1561
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:04,919
Speaker 1: He volunteered, really submits to doing prison psychiatric probes including

1562
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: truth stam and LSD.

1563
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 3: Wow, which I'm like, I'll do that too, I mean,

1564
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 3: if you're in prison.

1565
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: L But he was so adamant, I mean, think of it,

1566
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: this is not a time when people were stoked about

1567
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: doing drugs. Well, as far as he knew, the sixties right,

1568
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: like not mystery drugs. Right, Yeah, but he was like,

1569
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, if we give this to

1570
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: you and you actually did stuff. I don't know if

1571
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: you guys have been an acid before, but you're gonna

1572
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:27,480
Speaker 1: fucking talk about.

1573
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 2: It and you're gonna laugh about it. Yeah, and you're

1574
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 2: a monster and it won't end for like twelve hours.

1575
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 2: It's so irritating.

1576
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're in prison, and you're in prison, bomber

1577
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 3: the last time. Look, don't do acid. It's so lame.

1578
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 3: But the last time I did it.

1579
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: Long ago, I was laying in bed and I couldn't sleep.

1580
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: All my friends were asleep, every all the fun had

1581
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: ended hours before, and I was laying in bed looking

1582
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,759
Speaker 2: at spinning goofy faces.

1583
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 3: How fucking hack is that mouse?

1584
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Yes?

1585
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 3: The dog bummer?

1586
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 4: Yes, Like, can I at.

1587
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 3: Least see something coolanning? And I was like my arms crossed,

1588
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 3: like I'm so lame. I love that you're even you're

1589
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 3: a critic of your.

1590
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:18,480
Speaker 2: Own fucking yes, visuos lame, stupid, stupid, this is too commercial.

1591
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 3: Where's the local art I could fit?

1592
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1593
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 3: Basically, he's like, I don't do it.

1594
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Give me any drug you want, give me all the

1595
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: acid and I won't fucking does Sodian pentafole really work?

1596
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: That's the truth, Sam, right, it does on me. Let's

1597
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: find out right now. I'm gonna take it. And it's

1598
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: a it's awesome. Oops, it's acid. Okay, blah blah blah, okay, sorry,

1599
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: already said so. Association and Defense of the Wrongly Convicted.

1600
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: They work to at Federal Justice Minister's Minister so to

1601
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: reopen the case, and on August twenty eighth, two thousand

1602
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: and seven, forty eight years after the original trial, the

1603
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Ontario Court of Appeal unanimously overturns on Stephen's conviction, declaring

1604
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: the case a miscarriage of justice. Half the crowd is applauding.

1605
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: Half the crowd is not applotting, yep, loudly. I have

1606
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: a really great year for how many people are applauding

1607
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: at once. And I can tell it's fifteen hundred?

1608
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 3: Was it fifteen? Not fifteen oh three? Nope?

1609
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh, but it was actually fourteen ninety eight because that

1610
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: couple got in a fight, didn't Yeah, they never made it.

1611
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 4: They couldn't make it.

1612
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 2: There.

1613
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 3: He was like, murder isn't funny. She's like, you don't

1614
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 3: get it. They also talk about.

1615
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Cash, okay, miscarriage of justice, and okay, this is a

1616
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: really big point of contention for the people who the

1617
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: other fourteen nine eight people.

1618
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 4: Another couple gotnified too.

1619
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: On your side, he Stevens awarded six point five million compensation.

1620
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 3: Holy shit.

1621
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so clearly people are pissed about that, who

1622
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: believe he did it. Oh yeah, as well as the

1623
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: fact that you know it's given.

1624
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.

1625
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: So there the possibility of other subjects suspects weren't looked into,

1626
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons you got all that money.

1627
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 4: So two of the other suspects.

1628
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 1: So Sergeant Barry Rule wrote a book called a Viable Suspect,

1629
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: and he zered on on this dude who was a

1630
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: traveling salesman and he was considered a person of interest

1631
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: in other violent cases and he had a ton of connections,

1632
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: including similarities in the car.

1633
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 3: That h For fuck's sake, let's get the shit out

1634
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: of me. That was very jarring. Yeah, Steven, stop it.

1635
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 3: Stop rubbing your mustache on microphone. I'm sorry, Stephen, that

1636
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 3: was particularly harsh.

1637
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 4: I didn't mean, I didn't mean it really wasn't.

1638
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: Oh, do you hear anything I'm saying? I screamed at

1639
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: audience last night. I told the millennials, I.

1640
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: Said the word stupefied.

1641
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: I said the word stupefied, and like easily one hundred

1642
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 2: children yelled back, Harry Potter.

1643
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 3: I still don't think that's what they were saying.

1644
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 2: It was what they were you kidding, because then when

1645
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 2: I said, are you yelling, Harry Potter, they all cheered,

1646
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: and then I was like, that's why people hate millennials.

1647
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 2: That's the dumbest thing I've ever It was fucking dumb.

1648
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 3: Do theyk Stupefied was a word before? Harry Potter?

1649
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Whoa, it's gonna happy Harry Potter's here?

1650
01:30:51,960 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 3: Are you saying? Man? Expect us stupifie. That's okay, ig

1651
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: is ruined. It's just my rug all fired. You just

1652
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 3: flung water of my face and this thing is falling apart.

1653
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 4: It's okay.

1654
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: I've actually spilled it on myself multiple times tonight. I

1655
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: knew that was going to happen. I just thought it

1656
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: would be me historically speaking, that's kind of me.

1657
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 3: She hadn't suffering My thing that was I'm stealing your bed.

1658
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 3: You're not okay, the car focus got it together. The

1659
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 3: car that this dude, and he.

1660
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 4: Gave a fake name for the dude because he's dead

1661
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 4: and he didn't want.

1662
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 3: To the traveling salesman.

1663
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, the.

1664
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: Car was similar. He owned a nineteen fifty nine Chevy

1665
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: bel Air and the same. He was in this area

1666
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: the evening Lynn went missing. He also said he would

1667
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: have known the Clinton area because he was a traveling

1668
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: salesman and similar sh shoe size, so he had he

1669
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: died before the investigation and then.

1670
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 4: Sorry, okay.

1671
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: There was a farmer who owned the property where Lynde's

1672
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: body was found, and he said he saw a strange

1673
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: car park Neer Spence the night of the girl going

1674
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: of lingoing missing, and the officers around duty, who was

1675
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: near the Royal Canadian Air Force Base wasn't interested. And

1676
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: he also testified that the girl who said that that

1677
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: Stephen was supposed to meet her at the bush came

1678
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: to her later before the trial and said, can you

1679
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: tell them the time you keep telling them you saw

1680
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the car?

1681
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,759
Speaker 3: Can you change that to an hour before? She's twelve?

1682
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 4: So she's like, can you.

1683
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 3: Give me a favorite? Like why because she fit with hers? Yeah,

1684
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 3: And this grown man was like, no one, I'm gonna

1685
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 3: go tell on you. She's like, well, then you're not

1686
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 3: invited to my birthday party.

1687
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 4: It's fucking bananas.

1688
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: Another suspect, so there was an Air Force sergeant named

1689
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Alexander Kalichuk. He was a heavy drinker, history of sexual offenses,

1690
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: lived with a twenty minute drive at the base, and

1691
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: Steven Andlinn both lived at the base. About three weeks

1692
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: before Lynn's murder, he had tried to lure a ten

1693
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: year old girl into his car, I think a couple

1694
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: towns over in the mid sixties. A files uncovered that

1695
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: detailed that he had been psychologically evaluated as.

1696
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 4: A sexual predator and potential killer.

1697
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Wow, and he had two counts of indecent exposure on

1698
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: record before ever even arriving in Clinton.

1699
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 2: Wow.

1700
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, he was waving it all around. Yeah. Swiss cheese,

1701
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:44,839
Speaker 3: Swiss cheese pervert.

1702
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm surprised so many people remember that incredible story, the

1703
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: best story of all time.

1704
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, for those of you who don't know, there's a

1705
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 2: man somewhere in the East Coast likes to get into

1706
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 2: his car, not wear pants, hold up a piece of

1707
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Swiss cheese and trick women into looking at it, and

1708
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 2: then he's jerking off behind it.

1709
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: We're not tricking you, guys, right, the people who don't

1710
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: know this story, We're not tricking you.

1711
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 3: This is real. There's pictures, pictures.

1712
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: And there's people who wear Halloween costumes about this man.

1713
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 3: Look it all up.

1714
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: This is our gift to you for call us insensitive. Yeah,

1715
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: I was just fucking for a nurse for Halloween. Wow,

1716
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: I got really angry, Crow, you were mad, listen, look.

1717
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 3: Love all right.

1718
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: And then there was also another man electrician with a

1719
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: conviction for rape, who worked regularly at the base and

1720
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: knew the Harpers.

1721
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 4: Lynn's family.

1722
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so tons of choices, tons of choices, take a

1723
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: couple extra days before, I mean, just roll it over

1724
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 1: even one second?

1725
01:34:52,880 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, oh no, okay, But here's the thing.

1726
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: Lynn's family, this poor family who's been through so much,

1727
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: including all these this stuff with Stephen, and still haven't

1728
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: found the gott injustice.

1729
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 3: They still believe that Stephen was the murderer.

1730
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1731
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: And they also never told their aging father about the

1732
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: verdict and the money because they were like, he couldn't

1733
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: have of course, not so horrible. That's the murder of

1734
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Lynn Harper. Oh, I have a photo of him and

1735
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: her as kids.

1736
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 4: Oh he is that too much?

1737
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Well, I guess Stephen's deciding that's Stephen, that's him. Yeah,

1738
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 2: he kind of looks like an adult.

1739
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a big kid for a fourteen year old.

1740
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 4: And then let's look at Lynn a little baby. So

1741
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 4: that's that.

1742
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's uh, thanks, I hope to God.

1743
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like, these days, it's very likely that someone

1744
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: can start a podcast where they're like, I'd like to

1745
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: know what happened, and then they could actually figure it out,

1746
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 2: Like people are doing that all the time now, Yeah,

1747
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 2: that'd be amazing.

1748
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 3: For sure, someone did that.

1749
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,719
Speaker 1: It's like authors being like, yeah that was us until

1750
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: ten years ago, is sucking asshole.

1751
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 7: Podcasters they're like, would you just read off that paper?

1752
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 3: That's right, We're like, start a podcast.

1753
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 4: Maybe you can hance now, doesn't.

1754
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 3: Not that hard. I just want to know the answer.

1755
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 2: I know.

1756
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 3: I hate those kinds of things.

1757
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 2: I know.

1758
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 3: That's why I do them is because I hate them

1759
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 3: and I love them.

1760
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I fucking it's like a puzzle because I'm yeah,

1761
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 2: oh it's all right, it's clear. I almost said, wow, Okay,

1762
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 2: we're back. Are there updates for the story?

1763
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 4: There are a couple.

1764
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: In the twenty twenty film, Marlene tells the story of

1765
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: Steven's case and how his wife, Marlene works tirelessly to

1766
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: clear his name. And then in twenty twenty four, Canadian

1767
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: author and Nobel laureate Alice Monroe wondered that her husband

1768
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: could have possibly been involved in Lynn's murder. This came

1769
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: about amid the revelation that her husband had sexually abused

1770
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: her daughter his stepdaughter, and that Alice had known about it.

1771
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 1: And then, most importantly, Buried Bones covered this case, which

1772
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: you know is just going to be incredible. It's an

1773
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: episode called Bug that came out on August thirtieth, twenty

1774
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: twenty three, So definitely go check that out for a

1775
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: deeper dive, a smarter dive.

1776
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 2: I actually downloaded that episode because I so want to

1777
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: hear the dtwo. This is the one of the craziest

1778
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 2: cases of all time, and I can't wait to hear

1779
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 2: those guys pick it apart.

1780
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 3: Same. Okay, We're going to.

1781
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 2: Go back now to hear a hometown from the audience.

1782
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 3: Wait, do we have time for a I think we do.

1783
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Hometown, don't we will you look up mixed the bases

1784
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 2: of like waiting on us because I can.

1785
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 3: See Okay, can I just flash over my underwear? Okay,

1786
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 3: let me write it next someone else.

1787
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 2: We just want to hear a hometown murder. Now, listen,

1788
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 2: here's some rules we've learned. We've learned this over the years.

1789
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 3: You have to listen.

1790
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 2: You can't read off a piece of paper. You have

1791
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: to tell it like it actually happened to you. You

1792
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 2: can't be super drunk. You can be lightly drunk, but

1793
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 2: you can't be like slurry or palsy drunk, where like

1794
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable Thanksgiving drunk.

1795
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 3: We can't have that. It's fun if you have like

1796
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 3: a fun personality, but you don't have to have a

1797
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 3: huge personality. We prefer you don't. You know. We've run

1798
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 3: out of time. Okay, buy your bye. All right, and

1799
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 3: now I'm picking, and I'm scared you guys. Listen. Karen's

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01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 3: letting me.

1801
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 5: I hear you.

1802
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 3: Karen's letting me pick now, and so don't fuck this

1803
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 3: up for me. Yeah it's all I'm asking. Don't wave

1804
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 3: your arm if you just got half a game, we

1805
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 3: never have a dude.

1806
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you sorry, we're having a dude,

1807
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: fix your sock.

1808
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh shitty's pointing. Oh he's got a big.

1809
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 8: Oh no, I'm Sean, this for me. Sean okay, center stage, Sean,

1810
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 8: hold on right. Where are you from?

1811
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 5: I am from Battle Muskoka or like Battle Ontario Muscoco awesome.

1812
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:20,759
Speaker 3: Where is it on the Milton? Yeah?

1813
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right, So it's about yeah, two kilometers okay,

1814
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 5: all right, all right, So I don't actually remember the

1815
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 5: names of.

1816
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: These people, Jesus, Well, then you're in the right place.

1817
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 5: Perfect, all right. So it involves a man from Bracebridge, Ontario.

1818
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 3: Perfect.

1819
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

1820
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 5: So he moves to Toronto and he's a bodybuilder and

1821
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 5: he wants to be like a fitness instructor and everything.

1822
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1823
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 5: And then he meets uh this high school dropout exotic

1824
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 5: dance your drug dealer, Yes, very sorry, combination here we go.

1825
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 5: And so they hit it off. They get together and

1826
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 5: then they start partying like there's no tomorrow, cocaine everywhere,

1827
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 5: just great times all around, well times, Okay. They end

1828
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 5: up actually fighting so much after a little while that

1829
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 5: they get kicked out of multiple apartments, and then he

1830
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 5: eventually gets arrested or get up on charges for something.

1831
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 5: So he does the best thing he can do, and

1832
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 5: he skips down to go and live with mom and dad,

1833
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 5: and he brings the woman with her. The mom and

1834
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 5: dad don't like him or don't like her.

1835
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,759
Speaker 3: They like him, they don't like the exotic dancer drug dealer.

1836
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I know, go figure. I mean so from there,

1837
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 5: after a little while, they get their own place, and

1838
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 5: then they get kicked out, and yeah, they a bunch

1839
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 5: of other places. It was actually so bad they're fighting

1840
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 5: that Alan gave him nine hundred dollars.

1841
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 4: To move out.

1842
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 2: Fuck, that's never happened in the history of apartment I'm

1843
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 2: gonna try that.

1844
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 3: Next time I want to break a lease.

1845
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 5: Good luck with that. They actually ended up having a

1846
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 5: kid at this point. So, like I said, they were fighting.

1847
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 5: She actually assault got a charge with assault on him

1848
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:29,560
Speaker 5: because he threatened to call child services because she was

1849
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 5: apparently a bad mother.

1850
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 3: Uh so his fatherhood had nothing to do with that, Okay, nothing, Okay.

1851
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 5: So she starts getting bored of him, starts sleeping around,

1852
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 5: uh and then actually develops a plan to move but

1853
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 5: they were behind on rent so much that he actually

1854
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 5: had to go to court, and like do a bunch

1855
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,680
Speaker 5: of legal stuff. So she she got her she got

1856
01:41:55,720 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 5: her ship together, and plan to move out. On the

1857
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,640
Speaker 5: day that she was planning to leave, he had to

1858
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 5: go to court, but he came home early, caught her,

1859
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 5: and they got fighting obviously as they do as they do.

1860
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 5: And what ended up happening was he ended up hitting

1861
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 5: her in the head about three or four times after

1862
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 5: the first time. She actually tried to block the blows

1863
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 5: and ended up breaking some of her handbones. Right, So

1864
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 5: from there, she's obviously dead. After the fourth or fifth blow, right,

1865
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 5: I'm sorry a spoilerlert, she dies. So he does what

1866
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 5: any rational person would do is he goes to home

1867
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 5: depot and buys four or five gallon drum buckets and

1868
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 5: matching lids. And now he's working for a construction company

1869
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 5: at this point, so's he goes out, puts the body

1870
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 5: in the trunk with the four bins, and drives out

1871
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 5: to a former customer's place. It's a cottage. No one's around.

1872
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 5: It's March, I believe at this time, and so yeah,

1873
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 5: no one's around, cuts up the body and puts it

1874
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 5: in the pails. Calls a friend says, hey, man, I

1875
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 5: gotta get out of my place. Can I store some

1876
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 5: stuff in your stor walker.

1877
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 3: Can I store some buckets? Don't worry, the lids match,

1878
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 3: don't worry.

1879
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 5: It gets worse always. So, while he's working on another

1880
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 5: job at a different cottage with the guy, he ends

1881
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 5: up sneaking, sneakily building a crate in which to store

1882
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 5: these four buckets from there. So, over the course of

1883
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 5: the time, he builds his crate, puts the buckets in,

1884
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 5: seals it up, leaves. Three years later, the crate was noticed.

1885
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 3: The homeowner, Oh my god, where was it in the backyard? No?

1886
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 5: No, like so it was like, uh, it was kind

1887
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 5: of like over so there's a porch kind of thing

1888
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 5: and there was like a crawl space.

1889
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, next to the house, and I don't know, it.

1890
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 5: Was under the house, under the porch.

1891
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 3: Oh. He So he was working on the house and

1892
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, yeah, I fixed that.

1893
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,919
Speaker 5: I fixed that thing, and you needed me to fix it's.

1894
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 3: A dead body into the house.

1895
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 5: So you're like, yeah, sorry, that's what I'm saying. Uh

1896
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, like I said, three years later, the homeowner

1897
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 5: knows this is great. Uh, and he asked this his

1898
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 5: handyman around from the Uh that works are on the place. Hey,

1899
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 5: what's what's this crate doing? He's like, I don't know.

1900
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

1901
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 5: He cracks it open and smell of death.

1902
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1903
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 5: Uh yeah.

1904
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 2: Oh so please right now say I'm that handy man,

1905
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 2: even if you have to. It's the best ending of

1906
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 2: all time.

1907
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Now, so he got really stupid with because

1908
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 5: he said the guy that killed his girlfriend he actually

1909
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 5: used her cell phone for calls solder clothes because he

1910
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 5: did initially say that she just ran away. But so

1911
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 5: they eventually tracked it back to back back to him,

1912
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 5: and he was convicted in May twenty thirteen with for

1913
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 5: he got charged with or second agree murder. So that's

1914
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:47,879
Speaker 5: automatic death or not death. Sorry, it should be automatic

1915
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 5: life in prison with chance of parole after seventeen years.

1916
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 5: So he's eligible parole in twenty thirteen or twenty thirty.

1917
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 6: Wow.

1918
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 5: Well good, wow, So that's that was good.

1919
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 3: That was amazing.

1920
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,560
Speaker 5: Now you don't have to read that one because I emailed.

1921
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 2: It to you.

1922
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Great job.

1923
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how you tell a hometown murder. You I'm

1924
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,799
Speaker 2: gonna just take your time and tell us I'm just kidding.

1925
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm giving you a ship.

1926
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we're back.

1927
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 2: This episode originally was titled Live at the Sony Center

1928
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 2: in Toronto for reasons that are obvious.

1929
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: But if we were naming it today based on something

1930
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: from the show, I love this one, maybe we would

1931
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 1: call it fun to Panic, too early to panic, but

1932
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 1: it would be fun, but it would.

1933
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 2: Be we'd have a good time with it. Or my

1934
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 2: description of American kit kats a flat brown candle so gross,

1935
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 2: so gross, and of course expect to stupefy when you

1936
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 2: cast your Harry's Potter spell.

1937
01:46:58,720 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 3: Hilarious.

1938
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 4: So good.

1939
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 1: All right, Well that was another episode of Rewind all

1940
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: the way back in twenty seventeen. Thank you guys for listening.

1941
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: Let's say goodbye from the Sony Center back in twenty seventeen.

1942
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 3: This has been really incredible. I mean, it really is

1943
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 3: so fun.

1944
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 2: But it's so cool that we get to do this

1945
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 2: exact thing and you want to come and see us

1946
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 2: do it live.

1947
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, it really is.

1948
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: We're lucky. We fucking love Canada. You guys are all

1949
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 1: so supportive of us from.

1950
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 3: The very so much.

1951
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming out, Thanks for getting the tickets, thanks

1952
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 2: for making that for thanks for listening for as long

1953
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 2: as thanks for listening so long that you know I

1954
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 2: fucked up.

1955
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 3: Paul Bernardo, thank you and thanks. Welcome me guy, Thank

1956
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 3: you guys. So stay sexy and don't get murder.

1957
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:55,839
Speaker 4: Elvis, do you want to cookie?