WEBVTT - Authority

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories, done.

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<v Speaker 2>Done, that's messed up? An SVU podcast. I'm your host

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<v Speaker 2>Liza Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm your other hosts Kara Klank, and we talk

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<v Speaker 1>SVU episodes true crime, and we're still holding off on

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<v Speaker 1>guests even though the writer's strike has been resolved and

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<v Speaker 1>we feel the SAG strike Hopefully by the time this

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<v Speaker 1>episode even comes out will be resolved, I mean, fingers crossed,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can get back to having some guests soon.

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<v Speaker 2>They just rejected an offer. I wonder what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the writer's about everything, like just the same.

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<v Speaker 3>What are they doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder if it just has like I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the AI thing with writing is one thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>the AI thing with like scanning people's likenesses and like

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<v Speaker 1>reusing it. Like I just saw an article yesterday that

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<v Speaker 1>there's some insurance out or something with Tom Hanks in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, that's not me, Like you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. So it's like they're they're they're just to me.

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<v Speaker 1>With actors, there's more of an opportunity for AI to

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<v Speaker 1>be like abusive than even with writers.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe that's what they're holding out on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not confused why the actors are holding out. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>confused why the studios aren't just giving in, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we like they really the writers won, they got what

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted. Yeah, what makes them think the actors are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do that too?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's my thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you can't scan a person's face, yeah, keep it

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<v Speaker 2>forever for one fee, for a two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars Like like that's not even this isn't even bit.

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<v Speaker 2>This is wild behavior. You can't scan a face and

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<v Speaker 2>keep it. Sorry, sorry, this isn't the movie The Island.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? You can't do it. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I have huge news.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the news.

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<v Speaker 2>I my friend's in town from London, and uh so

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<v Speaker 2>I picked her up from the beach. From the beach,

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<v Speaker 2>I picked up from the airport, and usually when I

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<v Speaker 2>pick up visitors from the airport, I go straight to

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<v Speaker 2>the beach, and that's what we did. Then we went

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<v Speaker 2>to the Santa Monica Pier. I played whack a Mole

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<v Speaker 2>against three people. I won. I won a squash mollow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I want this prize and it's it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a blueberry cupcake with a face on it. It's so

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<v Speaker 2>fucking cute. And I jumped up and down so hard

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<v Speaker 2>and I the other people didn't know who they were

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<v Speaker 2>up against in terms of whack a mole, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it felt very important. I want to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's very cute, very cute. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so cute. We'll post it. We'll post it in the stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ferris Wheel. You know, sometimes a tourist attraction is nice.

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<v Speaker 3>So the alay No, So the huge news is the

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<v Speaker 3>squash mollow. Yeah, correct, yes, yes, can you top that? Kara?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't have any good I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any good, good good stuff to top that, unfortunately, But

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<v Speaker 1>we do have news.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys have been living under a rock and

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<v Speaker 2>truly skipping every intro we've ever discussed, we are on tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the seventeenth of October today when this episode

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<v Speaker 1>goes live, which means it's not too late for you

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<v Speaker 1>to catch us in Cleveland tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>We were back at Hilarities. We were there last year. Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be the first to admit that last year we

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<v Speaker 1>did an episode in Cleveland that was a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a bummer.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It did start with two dead people and a dead

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<v Speaker 1>child lying in the forest together, pose like lying down together,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were having a little camping trip, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were dead.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't love that.

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<v Speaker 1>We are coming back with a hot new episode to Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna love it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be fun, much more fun and flirty than

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode, and it's gonna be great. So come

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<v Speaker 1>see us at Hilarities. Then on Thursday, we are in Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>We are playing the Wilber. It's the biggest venue we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever played. Grab a friend, please come out and see us.

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<v Speaker 1>We really don't want to, you know, flop at the

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<v Speaker 1>Wilber with like, you know, not too many people.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'd love to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>After Boston, we're in Toronto on the twenty fourth, Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>on the twenty fifth, Pittsburgh on the twenty sixth, and

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<v Speaker 1>then check That's Messed Up Live dot com for our

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<v Speaker 1>Midwest dates Salt Lake, Sacramento, New York. Our first show

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<v Speaker 1>has sold out. We are doing a second show. We're

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<v Speaker 1>adding a late show, come see us at City Winery

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<v Speaker 1>in New York and then closing the tour out in

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<v Speaker 1>Philly in December.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we really want to see you, guys. We

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<v Speaker 3>love you. And Lisa's doing some stand up as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I'm out there. I'm out there, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Check her instagram, check the Glitter Cheese instagram for her

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<v Speaker 1>shows and yeah that's not for now. What else is

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<v Speaker 1>going on besides the amazing squash mollow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I am booking like I have like free times,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm booking some hotels in New York, and the

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<v Speaker 2>hotels like there was even one thing that said, like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>our prices are higher.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fall.

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<v Speaker 2>People are really coming here in fall, and it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall in New York is gorgeous. Yeah, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that the price is skyrocket so much for the fall.

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<v Speaker 3>I just did. I didn't either.

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<v Speaker 1>I just did this podcast where the host asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>what's a movie that, if you could, you would like

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<v Speaker 1>jump in and out of it, like you could like

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<v Speaker 1>go to like different scenes in the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I I ended up choosing when Harry met Sally

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<v Speaker 1>because I would love to go to New York during

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<v Speaker 1>all these different times, Like there's like fall in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in summer in New York, they're in like they're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like eighties New York, but maybe they start

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<v Speaker 1>in seventies New York. So I that's what I chose.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think of falling New York. I think of

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of when Harry met Sally Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought what movie would I want to hunt?

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's her first thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing that came to mind was Jumanji, which

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<v Speaker 2>is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to like run from animals, so that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Then once you started talking to New York, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what she's gonna say. So then I thought

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<v Speaker 2>big business because the Plaza Hotel, so that would be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the fashion is so cool. But I like

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<v Speaker 2>where you're thinking, like you could see every season, So

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<v Speaker 2>what would I like to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we bought a zoo. I like animals. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>With Matt Damon, I don't know, yeah, Or do I

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<v Speaker 2>pick cartoon or do I pick inside out and go

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, inside of a brain of a child.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't think you would like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you would like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do all the things inside the head do when

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<v Speaker 2>the girl hits puberty and starts, you know, getting fingered

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<v Speaker 2>out and about? I feel I does Joy get jump

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<v Speaker 2>up and down? Or does she close her eyes? What

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<v Speaker 2>does Joy do? Great question I was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Disgust takes the wheel, like she starts

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<v Speaker 3>driving the whole thing, and Joy is kind of like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm back here, but like kind of really only for

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<v Speaker 3>like a couple of things, like but definitely a fingering.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet Joy does have a good time. That movie

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<v Speaker 1>was good, funny to think about. Yeah, oh I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be what is it called mandatory viewing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Rosie's outside right now watching the Lego movie. By

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<v Speaker 3>the way, Rosie's home from school. Everybody, So, if I

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<v Speaker 3>am you know, she'supt her string cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I'm interrupted during this recording, it's because she's

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<v Speaker 1>like knock knock, knock, ding dong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you did a good impression of her. That is

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<v Speaker 2>how she kind of sounds.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope she comes in. My friend from another country

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<v Speaker 2>is out and about. She went for a walk to

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<v Speaker 2>be respectful, but in my head. I was like, her

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<v Speaker 2>accents insane, Like I have to acclimate to it. She's

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<v Speaker 2>a Jordy for those who know what that means. She's

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<v Speaker 2>from Newcastle and so like she just sounds like it

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<v Speaker 2>takes me a couple of days to figure her out.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Estra, I kept having to be like, wait, what

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<v Speaker 2>was that. She's like, ugh, you know, She's like.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, yeah, you have to get you have to

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<v Speaker 3>get acclimated for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm listening to this podcast right now that

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's obviously about child murder sadly, but like

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<v Speaker 1>it takes place in like the northeast of England, like

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<v Speaker 1>Sunderland or something like that, and it's like everybody you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I cannot even understand what a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, Like it's like an English accent I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard before. So I'm really like, I like, I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always like I hope the host is going to

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<v Speaker 1>summarize after this interview, because I don't know what this

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<v Speaker 1>person is saying, but I love it. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to meet your friends because I love British accents. But

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<v Speaker 1>I used to have a thing where I was like

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<v Speaker 1>Meredith Marx and if I talk to somebody from a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign country for like a little bit, I would just

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<v Speaker 1>start talking in their accent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's normal. I really think that's normal behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like they say, it's an empathy thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's like I also just think the accents

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<v Speaker 1>are cool like I and sound pretty, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>can I talk like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know. No, I'm actually embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get to London, I'll say may, I'll say flat,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not good, it's not good. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will just start talking like I belong there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a crisps Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's so wild because when people come to America

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<v Speaker 2>they really keep their acts like oh that's different.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't feel that people that come.

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<v Speaker 2>From other places suddenly start talking more American.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember always asking, like my babysitters that were from

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<v Speaker 1>other countries like New Zealand or Ireland or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, do an American accent?

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<v Speaker 1>And they'd always be like yeah, okay, like they would

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<v Speaker 1>do like Valley Girl.

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<v Speaker 3>That I like.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's them do but that's them pretending, that's them

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<v Speaker 2>making fun of us. Like I like when they make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of us, but they're never naturally just like Calipunga,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they don't do that out of nowhere. But we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be over there and we'll just be like cherryo out

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sick.

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<v Speaker 2>We're sick. Yeah, we're sick. We're sick people. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>move on and watch more sick people or listen, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for also listening. We're really obsessed with you

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<v Speaker 2>and we're we feel happy that we get to do this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>oh many big news. I got to go to a restaurer.

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<v Speaker 2>I never went to sushi belt restaurant.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoa when did you go? In Chicago?

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<v Speaker 2>I went with my sister, her husband and friend, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's my friend there you know, they've known each other

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<v Speaker 2>since they were twelve, like my elders. But and then

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<v Speaker 2>you pay by the you know plate colors. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so fun and then you could still order to yourself

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<v Speaker 2>if you want it on a screen, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>train track on top with giant trucks and a truck

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<v Speaker 2>will bring it just to your.

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<v Speaker 1>Table and then to go on in La there is

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<v Speaker 1>there are people like but I there's one that like

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<v Speaker 1>it's so hard to get a reservation. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>it's exclusive, it's just like you have to do it

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<v Speaker 1>on their app, and the app is like really not

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<v Speaker 1>designed well, Like I have the app, like I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of poorly designed apps, like all the grocery stores

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago have apps.

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<v Speaker 3>They're so hard to use.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad needs so much help, and it like I

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<v Speaker 2>was struggling figuring out how to apply the coupons and

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<v Speaker 2>switch the screens and where to look. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>go back to having a preferred card, go back to

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<v Speaker 2>a paper thing, or make these apps easier, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, trying to keep coupons away from our elderly parents

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not here for it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm not here for it. Yeah, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>that reminder that coupon queen movie, the Queen Pin movie

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<v Speaker 3>that I watched on Delta. Anyway, I love that movie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We love murder obviously in Scary Ship, but it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I do love suspense when you know it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get too bad, like Curl Summer. It's fourteen's yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna get too dark, even though there's kidnapping,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like that the impostors. I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>like a VH one or Bravo scripted, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's scary, it's there's suspense, but it'll be a look.

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<v Speaker 3>The steaks are a little lower. Yeah, and that's how.

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<v Speaker 2>Queen pen felt. And then isn't like bb Rexa in

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<v Speaker 2>it wildly? Isn't Oh yeah, Hacker, Yes, oh my god, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's so funny. I forgot that that was bbe Rexa's

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<v Speaker 2>big acting turn. You would hate mister Robot because mister

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<v Speaker 2>Robot is like suspense, but like everything is like if

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<v Speaker 2>this goes wrong, the fucking world is going.

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<v Speaker 3>To shut down. Like it's so suspenseful and so high stakes.

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<v Speaker 2>But well I like that too, you know, Arlington Road,

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<v Speaker 2>I like. I like real suspense. I love a twist,

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<v Speaker 2>twist for your nerves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, well let's let's get into speaking of twists,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into excited episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, such a good episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is our one hundred and fiftieth episode, babies,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the susk was Centennial, I believe is what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so that's our that's from Waiting for Golf Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember it's the one hundred and fifteth anniversary of their town,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have the Suska Centennial. That's the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Well, what if I just knew the different

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<v Speaker 1>uh center that name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for those who don't know why Care is suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>explaining herself, it's because I gave her a dirty look.

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<v Speaker 1>For just like al the fuck? But yeah, we're excited.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and fifteth episode. We've always wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>this EP and here we are, So don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are doing a very.

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<v Speaker 1>Requested episode called Authority. Everyone has asked for this since

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<v Speaker 1>we started this podcast twenty years ago, and here we

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<v Speaker 1>are finally doing it. It's season nine, episode seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>It does feel like a holiday like it feels extra special.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels maybe not the first time we had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Craig, and that was that. I remember that excitement,

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<v Speaker 2>But this feels really special.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm excited to do this. What I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>People call this one the Robin Williams episode, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is our one hundred and fiftieth episode, so we

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<v Speaker 1>had to pick a banger, and here we are with Authority.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love one fifty. Honestly, I love it more

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<v Speaker 2>than one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait in Waiting for Guffman, I think the one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fiftieth. It's called the Suska Centennial. I think, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>they call it girl. So I forgot what city I

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<v Speaker 1>was in, and this was Portland. I got a present

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<v Speaker 1>with enamel.

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<v Speaker 2>Pintons and one is clearly for me, and then like,

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<v Speaker 2>one is clearly for you. But I didn't know the reference.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was just like, I don't know which one

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<v Speaker 2>it is. And just this week I looked and it's

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<v Speaker 2>fucking it's park A Posy from Waiting for Guffman in

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<v Speaker 2>her dairy queen outfit.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had a pin. I know she's in my bag.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, you have to have it. I just looked it up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>and that reminds me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a fucking birthday present for you too, A

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<v Speaker 1>small one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I'll bring that in the car today too.

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<v Speaker 3>It won't be wrapped. I hope that's okay. It's really okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This was when we did trivia at our live show.

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<v Speaker 2>This was one of the questions, what is this episode called?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think it's so you would call it the

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<v Speaker 2>Robin Williams one. No one's calling it authority, but it

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<v Speaker 2>makes so much sense, and he's such a good actor

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<v Speaker 2>and he's so talented, and he really.

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<v Speaker 3>More than Jim Carrey.

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<v Speaker 2>But like both of these just wild looney tunes changed

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<v Speaker 2>our lives. Yeah, they are singular talents in a way

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like no one even comes close. They do

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<v Speaker 2>these extraordinary things, pushing to the limits of comedy drama.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, were you and I talking on this podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>how there's like a PG and a PG thirteen and

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<v Speaker 1>an R rated version of Missus Doubtfire?

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<v Speaker 3>Because like, that's how good this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Jared and I were talking about it because

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<v Speaker 1>he tried to Jared tried to tell me that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a drive by fruiting, and I go, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>run by fruiting, like I know, Missus Doubtfire, so I

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<v Speaker 1>had to google it and prove him wrong. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, I bet you, Robin Williams. I go, that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds kind of improvised, like an improvised line, like it

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<v Speaker 1>was a run by fruiting, because like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds improvised to me, and he goes, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>bet Wob Williams had like fifty takes for like and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone different anytime he did anything. So wow, this has

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a full tribute.

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<v Speaker 3>To Robin Williams. I'm about to like start crying to

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of the genie.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know and also just he did a lot

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<v Speaker 2>for extremely hairy men, I would say too, he really is.

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<v Speaker 2>He pushed hair to the limit. I would s body

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<v Speaker 2>hair to the limit. For a fact, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>anyone as hairy as him. That's out famous.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and he's living in the pre laser days. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>who knows what would have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you would have left it because it

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<v Speaker 2>gives you know, Jumanji and stuff like you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to Yeah, and bird cage. I mean he really he's

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<v Speaker 2>Also he doesn't just like have body hair, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>The he pushed it to the limit. He like a

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<v Speaker 3>war Low cut.

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<v Speaker 1>And do we have like funny man leading men like

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<v Speaker 1>that now that are like not hotties, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like we're giving cris Pine comedy roles or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever we're giving you know, like certain people, but like

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<v Speaker 1>who is like Robin Williams where it's like not conventionally

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<v Speaker 1>a hot man, handsome, but like you know, and just

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<v Speaker 1>such a good, big talent that they're carrying movies. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like Steve Carell back when forty year old Virgin

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Was his big times. And what about Seth Rogan, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit more one note to me, like Seth

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<v Speaker 1>Rogen's so funny to me, but he's like stone or

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<v Speaker 1>dude like thing. And Robin Williams just did so much

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<v Speaker 1>like we were saying singular.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I didn't think we were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>compare the comedic skill.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think anyone is Robin Williams. Yeah, you were

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<v Speaker 3>just saying I was just that comedy guys. And then

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, but they're not Robin Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm playing no, no, no, no, no no, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know what I mean, like where their

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<v Speaker 1>talent was enough to get them like huge rather than

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<v Speaker 1>just like looks or hotness or nepo or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're right, Seth Rogan would count for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And he did a lot of drama. I mean, because

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<v Speaker 2>I watch Awakenings. At one of our live show, I

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<v Speaker 2>said Spring Awakening instead of Awakenings and only one person laughed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I bet they were laughing at me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that I think about it's, well, it's probably one

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<v Speaker 3>of those things where I just moved on because I've

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<v Speaker 3>never seen Spring Awakening, but I have seen Awakenings, and

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, you remember this, you remember this? Mone

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm just saying it. Probably I probably was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>like because I've never seen spre Awakening, because normally, if

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<v Speaker 3>I knew, I would say something.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Awakenings Awakenings. They made us watch it in school,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think I was ready. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was too young like that like fucked

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<v Speaker 2>me up. Yeah, I think we really did justice to

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<v Speaker 2>Robin Williams before you go into this really good twisty turning.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this is a Helen Shaver episode. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>directed this because it is done like a movie, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like her episodes are very movie like.

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll see who it is, it says, directed by

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<v Speaker 3>David Platt.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's see what he's up to, because it did

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<v Speaker 2>seem like it's really cinematic. Yeah, let's see how many svus.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really not that men. I'm a little confused. Oh direct, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's actually he's done my lucky number. So he's done

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four episodes of SVU. Holy, okay, two thousand to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. Because it is it is done so well.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like explosions. I feel like we're just in so

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<v Speaker 2>many locations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he said he's directed an episode of Suits

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<v Speaker 1>for all you freaking suits heads out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's making Suits the biggest show in the world. It's

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<v Speaker 3>so confusing. Oh yeah, fifty four fuck. And he did

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nine of Regular Well it was trial by Jury.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I was with friends at the beach and they

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<v Speaker 2>started going in on like why they love suits, and

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<v Speaker 2>they did sell it in a funny way, and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>in every episode, someone says something and it sparks something

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<v Speaker 2>in the lawyer. Every time it's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>wait did you just say that? And then they run

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<v Speaker 2>our and like, I guess that's in every episode. And

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<v Speaker 2>they said that like the rules of times, like SBU

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<v Speaker 2>is grounded in reality in a lot of ways. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess Suits is just like science doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 2>law doesn't matter. Everything's made up and it's just But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm having trouble getting into the first episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I should just start on a random and see how

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<v Speaker 3>I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the funniest thing someone said to me about suits

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<v Speaker 1>was that in suits, the whole law is.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like a vibe. It's like the law part of

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<v Speaker 3>it is a vibe. It's like they don't really get

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<v Speaker 3>that into the law. It's just kind of like around

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<v Speaker 3>that there's some law, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, okay, I'm looking through his episodes, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he did sick the Michael Jackson one, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>really funny one. Okay, if you haven't listened to our podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>that one's a bit one of our part.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of our most popular because the Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 3>haters came for uh, I mean the Michael Jackson fans

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<v Speaker 3>came for us. We're also Michael Jackson fans. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Also there's a reality where he is a molester. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. You think we all hated Michael Jackson, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>grow up where we are at.

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<v Speaker 3>We're tweeting us FBI files and all this stuff proving

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<v Speaker 3>his innocence, and I was like, I can't read this,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>If a local employee at your local grocery store had

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<v Speaker 2>to sleepovers with children, you would have his head, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>bore me the details. But yes, of course we we're

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<v Speaker 2>not tapping our foot when Michael Jackson comes on, these

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<v Speaker 2>people like we hate him. It's disappointing when the ones

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<v Speaker 2>you admire are molesters, but most men are.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, start this episode. Okay, here we go, we

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<v Speaker 3>are doing authority.

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<v Speaker 1>We open on a cheerful gal at a fast food

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<v Speaker 1>place called Happy Burger, asking woman if she can take

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<v Speaker 1>her order, to which the woman replies, what you can

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<v Speaker 1>take is a mop and bucket to the ladies room.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor kids, tossing her cookies in there, and you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be where we're going, Like, uh oh, someone's

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom having a like a crisis, and then

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<v Speaker 1>here comes. But it's also been a minute since I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard the term tossing your cookies, like such a gentle

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<v Speaker 1>way to refer to the violence of vomiting.

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<v Speaker 3>But this girl is like, thank you for your excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>Feedback, have a happy Burger day, and that is customer service.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she tells Joel he has to go deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the bar from the bathroom. Joel is annoyed, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know I am too, because they actually show a pile

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<v Speaker 1>of barf on the show, and I did not need that.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand what vomit looks like. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>show it. So thank you David Platt for getting that shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And as he's like monologuing to himself over how gross

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<v Speaker 1>happy Burger is, he hears a scream from behind a door,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not even we're not even getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>person who threw up. We hear a scream behind a

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<v Speaker 1>door that says employees only, also the name of a

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<v Speaker 1>new podcast I'm on, please check it out, and a

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<v Speaker 1>girl yells, please don't make me do it, and Joel's like, Triney,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you? And he starts trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>door open, but the door is locked. So now we

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<v Speaker 1>cut to a uniformed officer leading Benson and Stabler in

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<v Speaker 1>giving them the walk and Talk info. The suspect and

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<v Speaker 1>the victim are barricaded in the manager's office.

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<v Speaker 3>It's reinforced steel. That's never good.

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<v Speaker 1>The only person with keys is the manager, Dwight Lomax,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's Mia. Triney Martinez is the name of the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>and the purpse says he'll only talk to detective Milgram,

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<v Speaker 1>but one PP has no record of a Milgram on

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<v Speaker 1>the job, so what the fuck is going on? They

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<v Speaker 1>walk up to the door and announce themselves, and Live goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Milgram's partner. He's on his way. The door opens

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<v Speaker 1>right up, and this is Scott Adsit of thirty rock

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<v Speaker 1>fame if you're a thirty rock person. He's like a

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<v Speaker 1>big character on thirty Rock and I love him. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, thank god, you're finally here. I did

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<v Speaker 1>everything you told me to do. And Treeney is a

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<v Speaker 1>really young girl. She's tied up, gagged and is wearing

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<v Speaker 1>only a happy Burger apron and it doesn't look good

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and we're at the credits, so they get

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<v Speaker 1>to it pretty quick here, so top EVCT one Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>walks into interrogation where a cheery Scott adds It, who

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<v Speaker 1>is playing the manager Dwight Lomax. So that's why he

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<v Speaker 1>was mia. He was in the steel room and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>is Milgrim here yet? I want my pat on the

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<v Speaker 1>back from Milgram and Stabler's like, he's stuck in traffic,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he goes, that's okay. He knows everything that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, why don't you tell me what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>And he said he was sitting in this desk.

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<v Speaker 1>Milgram called and said that someone stole a wallet from

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<v Speaker 1>a customer and that the woman at the precinct was

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<v Speaker 1>at the precinct filling out a complaint. And he told

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<v Speaker 1>Dwight to hold Trieney until he got there so that

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't hide any evidence. So he called her thieving

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<v Speaker 1>little butt quote unquote into his office. Now, Triny is

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Benson, who has a long bob. No highlights,

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<v Speaker 1>just put us in a place in time. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like she's let the highlights grow out at this point. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>Trieny is played I look this up because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize her, but I don't know what made me look

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<v Speaker 1>her up, played by Monica Raymond. She's also been in

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff like Chicago Fire in the Dick Wolf universe,

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 1>but she also has gone on to direct and directed

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the episode Hell's Kitchen, which we covered about the restaurant

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 1>tour who was like, you know, assaulting his waiters and staff.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>This girl went from being like kind of a bit

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<v Speaker 1>part on this episode to directing go Monica Raymond, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's also directed an episode of The Os of Lawn

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<v Speaker 1>Order OC, so I don't know which one. Now we're

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<v Speaker 1>bouncing back between stay Able talking to Dwight and Benson

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Treeny, and she's describing how Dwight said she had.

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<v Speaker 1>She told him she had nothing in her pockets but

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<v Speaker 1>lip gloss, and he was basically telling everything to the

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<v Speaker 1>phone to the quote unquote cops. He locked the door

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<v Speaker 1>to search her, says Dwight. He said Milgram said he

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<v Speaker 1>had evidence that she had money on her, and then

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>he told him to pat her down. He touched her

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<v Speaker 1>all over. Treeney says, starting to cry. She's very traumatized

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<v Speaker 1>by what's happened to her. She told him it wasn't right,

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<v Speaker 1>but he kept doing it. And he's like Milgram said

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<v Speaker 1>to strip search her, and I was that I was

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>acting as an agent of the police. He's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>put on gloves. It's like so disturbing. He made her

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<v Speaker 1>take her clothes off, put his hands on her everywhere.

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 3>This is Treeny's account. She begged him to stop, but

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<v Speaker 3>he wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And then now we're back to Dwight and he goes

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<v Speaker 1>I told Milgram she was clean, but he said I

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<v Speaker 1>must have missed something and just to hold her there

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<v Speaker 1>till I got there. So Stabler breaks it down and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>so you strip searched a teenage girl and kept her

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<v Speaker 1>naked in your office for thirty minutes. And Dwight is like, well,

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Detective Milgram said she could keep her apron on, and

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Stabler goes, you're an idiot, which I love the directness

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of that, and he goes, I resent that, detective, after

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<v Speaker 1>all I've done for the police department. It's like, so

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>he goes, you sexually abused a girl because a voice

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>on the phone told you to, and he's like, I

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>was just following Milgram's orders. And he goes, there is

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 1>no Milgram. The whole thing was a scam. And then

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you see Scott Adsett's character see Dwight realize what he's done,

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh fuck, Like what have I done?

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>So they next scene they bring him into holding and

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>he's crying. Obviously Q Munch obviously is going to get

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>way into this. He's like, just following orders. That's the

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 1>preferred defense of every war criminal, from Eikman to Melosovich.

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>So Finn's like, whatever, Dwight got punked by a phone call,

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and Munch jumps his defense. He's like, he's just a

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 1>victim of corporate America, and Finn's like here we go,

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 1>and Munch totally gears up for his ted talk and

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>he's like, these big corporations like McDonald's, which is clearly

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>what Happy Burger is kind of supposed to be, are

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>all about following orders from corporate, the franchise mentality where

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>employees are lemmings, follow the manual. You know, Munch is

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>getting into all of his shit about you know, big

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>brother and the corporations. Stabler pops in to say, well,

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Dwight's looking at three to six years and Benson is like,

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>what about this.

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Milgram who called him on the phone, And Munch is like.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's dead, and they're like, you know him, and

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>obviously he explains that Milgram is a psychology professor who

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever taken like a psych or sociology class

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<v Speaker 1>in college, you read about this experiment. It's a famous

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>experiment where he instructed volunteers to give electric shocks to

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>screaming victims. It turns out the shocks weren't real the

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>people shocking them were just like friends shocking their friends

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>because they someone told them too. So there's more on

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>this later. We got nothing on the caller. They say

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>he used a prepaid phone card on a payphone, and

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I have not seen a payphone in so long. What

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<v Speaker 1>a fun blast from the past. And it was at

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a public library in Midtown. Maybe there's cameras at the library.

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Munch goes, no way, the librarians took on big brothers

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>so they couldn't monitor what you and I are reading.

0:28:58.720 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Good job. I know we have a lot of librarian listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>We thank you for your service. Taru tried to chase

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>down who bought the card, but he couldn't. The guy

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>is either really lucky or damn good. And Munch is like, well,

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>my money's on good. And then he finds a website

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that's called I Hate Happyburger dot com where ex employees

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.239
<v Speaker 1>shit on Happy Burger and I wish that that was

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just Reddit now, but I would really

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>love to see a website like that, and Munch goes

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>revenge of the corporate wage slaves, and so there's a

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>whole post about someone is behind a hoax where he

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>calls and pretends to be a cop, making the employees

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that these happy burgers do stuff. This guy has hit

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>fast food chains all over the country and a lot

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of them are right there in New York.

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 3>So now we're.

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Talking to Ruben Morales aka Joel de la Fuente, friend

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of the pod, and he has built a hoax database, okay,

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and the guy has predictable routines. The calls come in

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>weekday mornings, always between ten and eleven thirty am, which

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>is after the breakfast rush, but before lunch, so that

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the manager's aren't so busy that they'll blow him off.

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 3>So smart timing. The guy uses a fresh prepaid card

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 3>every time. They can't trace the cards, but he did

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 3>buy them all at the same value Mart, and they

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 3>have to be activated by a cashier and that's in

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>the computer, so we know when he bought them. And

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Morales is a step ahead. He's like, I.

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Already ran the value of Mart security footage through facial recognition,

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>and I found this guy and we zoom in on

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.479
<v Speaker 1>the tape and it is the legendary Robin Williams, who

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>we have already praised on this podcast. Then they do

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>zoom in and enhance, which we know is not possible,

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>but they do it. And they see that he's got

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>a lanyard and an ID badge on. They can't make

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>out his name, but the company is Aerodax Labs. At

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the lab they find out that this guy's name is

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Merrit Rook, which is funny because a rook is the

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>name of a chess piece, and when I looked it up,

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the verb to rook is to defraud or swindle someone,

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>so maybe a writer was having a fun time giving

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>him a name. The guy at the lab can't believe

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>that Merritt would have done anything illegal. He's an audio

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>engineer in the aerospace division. It's very not merit. He's

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a nice guy. And then a woman named doctor Cheng

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>comes out and is like, oh, Merrit's out sick today,

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and he was yesterday too, So Benson and Stabler are

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>like house call, see you later. So now they're knocking

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>on a door of an apartment and Merrett Rook answers

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and says how can I help you? And they comment,

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't look sick. Since when is it a crime

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to play hooky? Detective, he replies, So they asked to

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.479
<v Speaker 1>go inside, and Stabler calls him Detective Milgrum, and he goes, oh,

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>you must have me confused with someone else. And he

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>says he does buy the phone cards at that value, mar,

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>but he gives them to the homeless so that they

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>can call their families because he knows what it's like

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>to be alone. And it's like, I think maybe they'd

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>prefer a sandwich, but the phone cards are nice too.

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you use one of the cards at the Midtown

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>library yesterday? He says, no, I was out of town

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>on a trout fishing trip. Don't tell my boss. He

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>shows them his fishing license and his hotel bill. He's

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>got everything on him. He doesn't have credit cards because

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>they gouge the working man with their interest rates, so

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>he pays cash, I guess for everything. But he hands

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.080
<v Speaker 1>them a card of a place called Daffodils where he

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>had every meal, and they're like, oh, you just happen

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to have that candy.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I call bullshit. You can't get a hotel room without

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 2>a credit card on file, because how were they going

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 2>to do ancidentals in two thousand and eight. Oh yeah,

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>because they need they need collateral. The whole point of

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the credit cards, not even to pay for it. It's

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>so you don't fuck up the room and steal pillows.

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, but I know that there are

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, maybe because it was in like

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.959
<v Speaker 1>a tiny little fishing town, like they it was a

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>motel and they let him pay cash. But you're right,

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just like you're not going to get very far

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>in life without a credit card, unfortunately. I mean, I

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about that the other day. There's like all

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>these there's tolls now that are like just credit card only,

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>like everything goes to your credit card.

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you do if you don't have

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 3>a credit card.

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, he says, no, I kept the business card because

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the waitress had a crush on me and she wrote

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>her number on the back. So now we're on the

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>phone with the waitress and she says, oh, yeah, I

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>remember that cutie and his fishing hat and waiters and

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>he was there on Monday breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>don't think he came for the blue plate special, if

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 3>And this is obviously Robin Williams's voice, I'm having so

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm having missus doubtfire flashbacks of when he's like, Layla,

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>get back in your sale, don't make me.

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Get the hose on you like all my family and

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I used to just do all his voices from mister

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and Missus Doubtfire.

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 3>We love that.

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you really know a lot of the lines from

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Missus Doutfire.

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like Clank Family Classic. I don't know what to say.

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we love it so much. And then I

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>think it probably had a moment where it was playing

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>on HBO all the time and that's all we.

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Had access to.

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>So so the alibi checks out, I guess because of

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>this lady on the phone. And now they call the

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>hotel and the guy who answers also sounds like Robin Williams,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.200
<v Speaker 1>but in this universe I get that he is not

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a beloved comedian and voice actor, and he puts them

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>on hold and even has a recorded like your call

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>is important to us like message.

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 3>So it all seems very legit.

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>As if this isn't wild enough, Craigan strolls up and

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>blows the whole thing wide open.

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 3>He goes he was fishing.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, my friend just tried to go trout fishing

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>and he was denied a license because the EPA put

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a ban on angling after they found chemical runoff in

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the rivers.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Lol.

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 1>This made me laugh so hard. I was like, what,

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>So that's how they're busting this guy. He did all

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>these things to cover his tracks, but he didn't check that.

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 1>You can't even fucking fish in this area. That's funny.

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>The hotel guy comes back and goes, yep, he was

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>here Sunday and Monday nights. Munch asks about the trout

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, oh, yeah, they're biting up a storm.

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>So we were figuring out that this is more hoaxy

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>situation than an alibi. So now we've got Benson and

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Stable outside of Merritt's place and Elliott is whispering into

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 1>a flip phone and they start calling one of the numbers,

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and the phone starts ringing inside the apartment and they

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>hear Robin Williams answer the phone being like, you know,

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>faraway motel or whatever, like I forgot what the name

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.439
<v Speaker 1>of it is, and they bust in. This guy's got

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a dozen flip phones on chargers. He's running a full

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>scale like town out of multiple cell phones. He says,

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>please as we fade to black, and it's like it

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>is funny because it's serious and he's doing a good

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>job acting. But I do still find him funny when

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>he's like please hold like getting busted by the cops,

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know. It's the same with Martin Short.

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like, even though he was a psycho murderer, rapist,

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>he was still making me laugh. So now top of

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>AC two, we're an interrogation and he's admitting to lying

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>about the fishing trip. He's like, listen, doctor Chang gave

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>me a heads up that you guys had been at

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>my work looking for me. I didn't want her to

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 1>know the truth, which is that I was with a

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>sex worker.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know her name. My wife died three

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 3>years ago.

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I missed her terribly, and when the pain gets really bad,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I hit the streets and Stabler goes, you screw whores

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>in your dead wife's bed, and it's like.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.959
<v Speaker 3>He's the fuck up Stabler like.

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Jesus and Merritt's like, Merrit's like, but we don't have sex.

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 3>We just sleep.

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just comforting having a warm, soft body next to me.

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I close my eyes and it feels like Juliette is back.

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>That's his wife. That's very sad. Okay, so you made

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>fake receipts, fake business car and put on voices just

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>so your coworker wouldn't find out about your sleepover thing.

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Stablers not buying it that you get your rocks off,

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>getting guys to molest young girls. A happy Burger and

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>he's like, no way, I'm a locovore. He only buy

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>which means he only buys organic, seasonal foods grown by

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>local farmers.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 3>Me too.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have a credit card, and he that seems

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>like a hard way to live in New York City.

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's other places you would be happier.

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>But he goes off about chain restaurants and how they

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>suck so bad processed food, big mistake.

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>And why would you give him this? Why would you

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>give He's such a smart dude, all those little phones,

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 2>and then you start this.

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>You just can't help yourself. You just have to rail

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>against how you get out of it.

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>And just like jury duty, you know, it's like a

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>fact I hate fast. Yeah I got a jury, not

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>how you cover a crime. But yeah, go on, go on.

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's talking about the advertising is aim to toddlers,

0:36:58.400 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. And then on the other side of

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the on my glass, Craigan's talking a Novack and she's like,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I could hold him on obstruction for lying,

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>but we got to link him to the Happy Burger somehow.

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, what about a voice ID with the

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>manager And she goes, he fooled Munch.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 3>With his cast of characters.

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 1>You think he's gonna like sound the same way as

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>he did when he was impersonating Detective Milgram. And she goes,

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I need proof he made those calls. And Finn walks

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>in and goes, then I must be your fairy godmother.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Love it, and he goes. They got back up surveillance

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>footage of a guy going into the library right before

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the call.

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 3>Morales cleaned it up and it's Merrit Rook.

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 1>You can see it's like basically him wearing a hat,

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's like it's his face. It's so funny because

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Jared just got we just got nine months ago, we

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>got a letter in the mail that was like, you

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>ow five hundred dollars. We were like, what the fuck

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 1>is this? Even for I went online, we couldn't even

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>see what it was for. We didn't know if it

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 1>was me or Jared that did it. It was like

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>a ticket from California DMB. So we show up at court,

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>we requested a court date, and they hand us a

0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>photo and it's black and white like fully xerox thousand

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>times and it's so Jared like you can like, you

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>cannot deny that it's him, Like people will go into

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>those court things and be like, that's not me.

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 3>You can't be positive that's me. It's so Jared like

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 3>it's he goes, God, I wish that wasn't like my

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 3>exact fucking face, like it's him running a light to

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 3>my In our defense, it was the day we were

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 3>taking Rosie to urgent care because she busted her head open.

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Anyway back to this.

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>That seems like a way to get out of it.

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>That's not a good excuse.

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, we went to the wrong courthouse because they since

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 1>switched the courthouse since they sent us the note, and

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 1>we were supposed to be in Santa Monica.

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 3>We were Beverly Hills.

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>So they go, you can just call in, and because

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>we were calling in, the woman goes, I can't really

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>take that excuse because you're not here. I can't see you,

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and I can, and it's like, thank God, because she

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been like, sir, that's you like. So we

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>pleaded it down and had to pay less money, but

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>still not a great amount of money for him running

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a light anyway.

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean, isn't it a good enough reason if

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 2>you're going to the urgent care?

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, but we didn't try it because he had

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>already tried to deny it.

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 3>He was not letting me talk on the phone. Trust me.

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:04.799
<v Speaker 3>I would have gone to a different I would have

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 3>gone a different route. I said that I go tell them.

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 3>It was like, we were trying to get our daughter

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 3>urgent here, we have medical records that prove it, blah

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 3>blah blah.

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, it's not me. I was like, okay,

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you know one of us is into us for you

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and the others not.

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>At his arraignment, Merritt's got one count of conspiracy to

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 1>commits sexual abuse in the first degree, and it's Judge Petrowsky.

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>She wants to know where's your lawyer, And like so

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 1>many freaks before him, this guy wants to represent himself

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, you know the old adage, and he goes.

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>A man that represents himself has a fool for a client.

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Of course he knows it, but he claims he doesn't

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 1>make enough money to afford a private attorney. He makes

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>too much money for a public defender. And I'm like,

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's how it works. Anybody can get

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a public defender. And Petrovski's quite.

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Good, like he just yeah, and now he's like, listen,

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I've seen I've seen better, and I can't.

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 3>I can't go with one of these fools totally.

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>So Petrowski's like, we can bind you a lawyer, and

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 1>he's like some court appointed hack a mouthpiece. So we'll

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>sleep through a il a client who won't make him

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>rich because he won't get the book rights. It's like, okay,

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>where are we going here? Whatever, They let him rep himself.

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Novak asks for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bail, and

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>he goes, no problem. Petrowski's like, you're supposed to argue here,

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, that sounds fair, and she's like,

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were broke, and he's like, I can

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>put my apartment up for that.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 3>It's it's worth way more than that.

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>And he goes up to Novak and tells her he's

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to working with her, and she's fuming,

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and but she goes, yeah, should be fun. And then

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>he excuses himself to go post his bail and you

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>have to post ten percent, which is twenty five k.

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Do you get that back? Let us know.

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you get that back, even if

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>you're innocent. But now we're at trial. Merritt approaches Stabler

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>on the stand and says, any do you have any

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 1>doubts that I'm guilty? And Stabler goes nope. And he's like, well,

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>what qualifies you to make that decision? And he's like, well,

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I've been a detective for sixteen years. Merrett goes, have

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you ever heard of a situation like this before? Like

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>someone fondling a young girl because a voice on the

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>phone told him to. And Stabler says, nothing surprises me

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:03.879
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the depraved mind, Like, you don't

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>know what I've seen I've been on this job. Merritt goes,

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>isn't it more probable that Dwight the manager had the

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>hots for Triny and made this whole thing up to

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>justify acting out a sexual fantasy. Stabler's like, we have

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>proof of the phone call that you made with one

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of your cards, and he says, but I give those

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to the homeless, and they love the library, like famously

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>homeless people love the library. So we have you on

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>video entering the library to make the call, Sabler says,

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, are you sure? And that then we

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>cut to Morales. Now Morales is on the stand, and

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>by the way, Morales is the lieutenant. Now, congratulations king.

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>How did you enhance the photo, Merritt asks him, and

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 1>he goes, oh, I ran it through this software to

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>remove shadow, etc. Essentially it sounds like the filters we

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>now have on Instagram, Like you can do shadows, you

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>can do highlights, you can brighten it up. You can

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 1>see a lot more like on a dark photo now

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>even on just the crap we have on our phones.

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 1>And he goes, yeah, so I did this and that,

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, so you manipulated the image and he's like, yes, scientifically,

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and then he whips out a huge blow up of

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the original photo and you cannot see the person's face

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>at all, and he goes, that could be me or

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>dur number four, and Duror number four goes, it's not

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.479
<v Speaker 1>me and Merritt goes me either, and it's like he's

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>so charming, Like I could see myself falling for this

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 1>if I was a juror. And Morales explains how the

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 1>computer cleans up the image, but it kind of looks

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.720
<v Speaker 1>like bad the way he's explaining it, that the computer

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>is like guessing at how to clean it up, and

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that's like, not, I don't think that's really what's happening.

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>But he starts playing. So he starts, you know, going

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>on with this line of questioning and being like, well,

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>if the computer's guessing, then it really could be anyone.

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>It could be you, it could be you, it could

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>be you whatever, and so everyone's Novak looks pissed, like

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>this guy's doing well. Now Novak's in her office with

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Huang and he's like, babe, I brought you some coffee.

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I heard you got your ass handed to you in

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>court today. Let's dish. And Novak's like, I'm like shocked

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 1>at how good of a lawyer this guy is. And

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>she understands why people rape and kill, but she cannot

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>understand why this guy is playing these games. And here

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 1>comes Hwog with the profile he's manipulative. He gets off

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>on making people do things they don't want to do.

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Novak talks about this kid she knew in grade school

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 1>who tricked kids into eating rabbit shit, saying they were raisins,

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and that she would never do that because the kid

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>was a sadist. And the last she heard about that guy,

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>he was selling used cars in Toledo and still scamming.

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.439
<v Speaker 1>So Twang goes, well, why don't you dig into merret

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Rook's childhood, maybe you'll find something.

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Boom boom boom Okay.

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Back in court, Merrit is on the stand and he's

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>essentially cross examining himself.

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 3>He's just like giving a statement.

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>He's in the witness box, but he's just talking freely,

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I'm a scientist. I work to improve

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>people's lives. I've never had trouble with the law, and

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I hate what happened to that girl. I'm outrage and

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I want the perp to be brought to justice, but

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't me. Then he rests his case because yeah,

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>he's he's a lawyer, I guess. And so now it's

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Novak's turn, and she's like, so, you've never been in

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.479
<v Speaker 1>trouble with the law and He's like nope, and she goes,

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 1>you're under oath. Have you ever been arrested and he

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 1>says no, and then she pulls out an article from

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the Hartford Tribune of thirteen year old Merritt Rook being

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>arrested for malicious mischief, trespassing, burglary, and arson. He burned

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>down a house and he tells the judge, I was

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a miner that was expunge for my record. And Novak's like,

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you can't expunge a newspaper record, baby, and it's now

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 1>it's Judge Lois Preston and she says she'll allow it.

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Casey's like, so you lied. He says, I can explain

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and tells them the story about how the house was

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.320
<v Speaker 1>in his neighborhood. It was abandoned and kids used to

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 1>drink and do drugs there, and they also raped a

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>little eleven year old girl there. So he broke in

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and set their clubhouse on fire so that they couldn't

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 1>continue to hurt people. And they're like, you didn't go

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 1>to the police, and he goes, I did go to

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the police, but they didn't believe me because the son

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>of the police chief was the ring leader. That's very

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>possible in a small town, you know. And he's in

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>prison right now for raping three women. So I had

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 1>to stop these guys. And uh oh, casey, this has

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:54.479
<v Speaker 1>backfired because now I feel like the jury is thinks

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this man is a full hero. So now it's closing statements.

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 1>He's addressing the jury saying Novak has no evidence. She

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 1>has a doctored photograph and a phone card that I

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 1>bought to give away as an act of charity. And

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't blame Benson is stable for arresting him or

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Novak putting him on trial. They're just following orders, like sheep.

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>We're all in danger of being sheep. Never questioning authority.

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>If you are drinking when they say the name of

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 1>this title of the episode, this episode will get you wasted.

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 3>They do say.

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Authority many times. He tells them to think for themselves,

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>don't be a sheep. Novak's like, what a pretty little speech.

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:27.959
<v Speaker 1>And he's really good at convincing people to do things.

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>But our evidence proves he did this. He's impersonating an

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 1>innocent man. Don't be fooled. You guys are smart. Well,

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the jury comes back and they are like, no, we

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be sheep, so he's not guilty. Merrett

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>screams out thank you, and then he tries to hug

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Casey like it's the end of senior year, and Stabler's

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 1>like back off, and He's like it's been fun, and

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 1>then he leaves.

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Stabler.

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Benson and Novak look very bummed out that this guy

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>has gotten away with it. So now we're at the

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 1>precinct and the gang is watching Meryrett Rook on Scarborough Country,

0:45:56.320 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 1>which is Joe Who Scarborough's like MSNBC show, and Stabler

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>comes in late and he was up all night with

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the baby and he's like, Colic is a bitch. I'm like,

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the first and only night you've ever stayed up

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 1>with the baby all night.

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 3>But okay.

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Merrett Rook is on a morning Joe with a sheep

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that he has named Elliott.

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 3>What an own? I love this.

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>He says he thinks we have to start questioning authority

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and he has merch it's a little pin with like

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>a no smoking sign going through a sheep, and Elliot's

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like turn it off. Benson says, let's go crash his party.

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>So they go to this rally where he's you know

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>they're holding a no sheep rally. I guess, and there's

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy on a megaphone, and before I even look

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>up who it is, I know who it is. It's

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Moroka because I can remember him from the Daily Show.

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>He has a very recognizable voice, and he's like, don't

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>be sheep whatever. And suddenly everybody takes out pillows and

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>they start a huge pillow fight. The feathers are everywhere.

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 1>My allergies started flaring up just watching it. I had

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to fast forward. Munch is fully engaged in the pillow

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 1>fight and loves it. This is his jam, to just

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>pillow fight with a bunch of other centers in the precinct.

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Now Munch is fully defending Merit. He's on the Merit train.

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you've got him all wrong. He made the calls,

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>but it was never about sex. It was about the

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.439
<v Speaker 1>danger of obedience. If you don't question authority, you lose

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>your humanity. He doesn't condone what he did, but he

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 1>gets where he's coming from. He spoke to Merit and

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:20.359
<v Speaker 1>he just wants people to wake up. And they're like

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>with pillow fights, and he's like, well, we stopped Vietnam

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>with sit.

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Ins and they're like, well, what war is Merrit fighting? Here?

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 3>The battle against fast food?

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 1>And he goes, well you should hear his tirade against

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 1>managed care lives like, so he has a problem with

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 1>his HMO, who doesn't. Munch explains this is the big

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>reveal that Merrit's wife died in childbirth and the baby

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 1>died too, And they're like, oh my god, was it

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 1>medical malpractice? Why didn't he sue? And there's like, there's

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.279
<v Speaker 1>no lawsuit because they looked it up when they were

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>taking him to court.

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 3>He's never filed a suit.

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 1>So this guy's not going to let the doctor who

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.799
<v Speaker 1>killed his whole family get off the hook. So now

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 1>we cut to Saint Mark's Hospital where Frenchy from Greece

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Akaddy Khn, who has been on three other episodes of

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the show, says, oh, doctor Slifkin, he's dead. He was

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 1>in a freaky car accident a couple years ago. He

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>t boned a semi and it decapitated him. She thinks

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>he was drunk, but the official word was break failure.

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 1>She remembers Juliette Rook so sad eighteen hours of heavy labor.

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 1>The husband insisted on a c section, but the doctor

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 1>thought he knew better than a first time dad. Juliette

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.800
<v Speaker 1>had a placental abruption. Doctor Slifkin missed it, so mister

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Rooke lost it understandably and said he'd kill the doctor,

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and security had to escort him out. So they go

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to Melinda's house and she's reviewed the autopsy and says

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that his blood alcohol was point four, which is tipsy

0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.360
<v Speaker 1>but not over the limit, and also his liver was serotic,

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>so he was an alcoholic, so one to two drinks

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and like a point oh four would.

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Not have done much to someone like that.

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>U and o'haleran is there too, and he goes and

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no sign of tampering with the car. The investigation

0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.399
<v Speaker 1>was pretty thorough. He sped through an intersection and thought

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>he could beat the truck. But then why would they

0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 1>say was break failure? You can tell breaks work or not,

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 1>So that's a fuck up to me. But Melinda says

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 1>she sees a lot of suspicious mvas.

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 3>I looked it up. I think it's multiple vehicle accidents

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 3>or something, and she checked and the insurance company never

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 3>paid out for this, so what's up? So the insurance

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.719
<v Speaker 3>company said it was suicide because he left a note

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 3>for his wife saying he was taking his own life

0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 3>to spare her. Detective Milgrum won't stop calling me, says

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 3>the note, he says, I'm going to prison for murder.

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.360
<v Speaker 3>I never meant to harm that woman and her baby.

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 3>God forgive me.

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>So Merritt drove this doctor to suicide, is what they're positing.

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>They just need to link the calls to Merit and

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>they've got him, and O'Halloran says, well, he won't be

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.320
<v Speaker 1>at home. There's another event for his social revolution happening

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:46.359
<v Speaker 1>at ten pm at Grand Central station. So they hurry

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.320
<v Speaker 1>down to Grand Central, which I think Grand Central is

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the most beautiful buildings. I love when they

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 1>shoot there. I just love to see it. They hurry

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 1>down there, everything looks normal. They start to look around

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>and then they see Moroka again with his megaphone and

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>he's chanting no sheep, no sheep, and then he blows

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 1>a whistle and like half the people on the concourse

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 1>freeze and they're totally frozen, like people are frozen mid yogurt.

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>They're frozen midstride, like everybody's frozen. This is some kind

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of flash mob thing to prove that people are sheep.

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know Merritt is there. They spot him.

0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 1>He's also frozen, and Benson's like, you're under arrest for

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the murder of doctor Francis Slifkin, and you're not walking

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 1>away this time. He goes, I was a sheep and

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I let him slaughter my wife, and Benson says, that

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't give you the right to destroy his life. Benson

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>grabs his arm and suddenly we see Stabler jogging through

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the crowd.

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 3>And he loses them.

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a weird transition because you just see what Live

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 1>walk a right way with a suspect, which we've seen

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 1>her do a thousand times, but now suddenly Stabler thinks

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 1>something's weird because he can't find them. Next thing we

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.840
<v Speaker 1>see is Esu busting into Merritt Rook's apartment yelling police

0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>search warrant, but they're not there.

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:54.879
<v Speaker 3>Where did he take her?

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 1>So we're just deducing that Merrittrook has kidnapped Lived somehow.

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 3>Suddenly Lake there.

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 1>They let him be in two scenes of this episode,

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and he's got photos of them from Grand Central, and

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Live is walking alongside Merrit, not resisting. In the next

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 1>picture she's dumping her cell phone and her gun in

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 1>a garbage and now Finn's got those things and Craigan says,

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 1>have Terru look at it in case anything's on Olivia's phone.

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Elliott says he must have had a gun on her

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and she didn't want to risk shooting civilians.

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 3>And Merritt.

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Does Merritt have a second home? Does he have friends

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 1>or family close with anyone?

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 3>At work?

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And in the apartment they see a picture of him

0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>with doctor Cheng, who we met earlier, and he was

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 1>worried she would find out about him and the sex worker,

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 1>but why would she care? So maybe there's something more

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 1>between them. Now we cut the stabler talking to doctor Cheg.

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 1>She admits that she went out at a date with Merritt

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.320
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Halfway through their date at a jazz club,

0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.200
<v Speaker 1>a certain song came on and Merritt started sobbing. He

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't say why, he just ran out and left her there.

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And then the pianist that they were there to see said, oh,

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I forgot that I recorded that song with Merritt's wife.

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:57.759
<v Speaker 1>She was a singer. They met when he produced one

0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of her albums, and they're like, understandably how did he

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 1>go from music to aerospace? And I guess he quit

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 1>music after his wife died. And audio engineering is the

0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>same wherever you do it. So she tells them that

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.920
<v Speaker 1>his old studio where he used to produce music was

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>at Toned Down Records in Brooklyn. So Elliott heads there

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 1>by himself. Of course, why would you bring back up?

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 1>It's basically abandoned. He sees Merritt in a chair facing away.

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 1>When he enters the room, Merritt spins around like a

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 1>cartoon villain, and he goes, Oh, didn't think you'd make

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it here so quick, And he says I'm unarmed, and

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Elliot's like, get your hands up in the air. And

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>he's like, yes, sir, where's my partner? And he goes

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.800
<v Speaker 1>when you like to know? And he's like, no more games,

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, or what you'll shoot me then you'll

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 1>never find her. So Stabler's like, you got me there,

0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 1>lowers his gun. He turns on the light in the booth.

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He's basically in like a music recording room where you

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>see people. You know, there's somebody in the sound booth

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and somebody at the boards and lives in the sound booth.

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>She's strapped to a chair behind one way glass. She

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 1>can't see or hear anything that's going on behind the

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 1>door because like stablers obviously like live and she can't

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.719
<v Speaker 1>hear anything. He says the door is wired with an

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.359
<v Speaker 1>explosive and if he opens it, they'll all blow up.

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 1>And he's holding the detonator in his hand, and he

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>wants to do a little experiment. How far will you

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 1>go to save your partner? He tells Olivia over a

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>mic that Elliott is there, and liv goes, just do

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 1>what he says, el and Elliott screams her name, and

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Merritt's like, look, I'm in charge. Now, sit your huge

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>ass down and listen to me. And he's like not

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.640
<v Speaker 1>being mister Charming anymore. He explains that Olivia is sitting

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:26.800
<v Speaker 1>in a chair that's wired for electricity two hundred and

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.799
<v Speaker 1>fifty volts, controlled by a little buzzer. Old Sparky the

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 1>famous electric Chair gives out ten times that so this

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.359
<v Speaker 1>electric shock won't kill her, but it will hurt, and

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>so Elliott goes, oh the Milgrim experiment, only this time

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the shock's for real. He turns off the lights on

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Olivia and then presses the button, and we hear Olivia

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 1>screaming in pain, and he tells sable to press the button,

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 1>but he won't do it, and so then he presses

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 1>it again.

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 3>We hear another Olivia scream. He says that was two seconds.

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Keep refusing and I'll up it to four seconds and

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.879
<v Speaker 1>then I'll double the voltage. And he's like, why are

0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>you doing this? And he goes to teach you a

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 1>little lesson about power and authority.

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Drink again.

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:03.840
<v Speaker 1>You cops with your guns and your badges, think you

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 1>can do anything. You own the streets, and Elliott goes,

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never abused my authority. Drink again, but also drink

0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>another time for Elliot saying he's never abused his authority,

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 1>which is hilarious. Marrett's like, uh, you all do. And

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:19.759
<v Speaker 1>he's not wrong. I mean, every single cop abuses their

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 1>authority in some way, even if you're like fixing a

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>parking ticket for someone. But Elliott realizes that this is

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 1>about the cops in his town who didn't believe him

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 1>about the rape of the little girl and he was

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 1>too scared to stand up to them. What about Slifkin?

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>You scared of him too. This isn't about obedience or sheep.

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:36.920
<v Speaker 1>You just want me to suffer like you have, and

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he goes, you have no idea how I've suffered, and

0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>he's really good. Elliott goes, I have no idea what

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 1>you've been through to lose your family. He goes, I

0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't lose them. They were taken from me. And he goes,

0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't challenge the doctor's authority. Again, drink. He goes,

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.319
<v Speaker 1>I caved in. I sat there and I held my

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>wife's hand and I watched her bleed to death. And

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>he's getting upset. He's crying. It's really sad. He goes,

0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I put my faith in a little guy in a

0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>white coat, and he killed my wife and son. Push

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the button, he screams to Elliott, and then he pushes it,

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and we hear live scream again, and he yells again,

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and he keeps telling Elliot's push the button. And Elliott goes, no,

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:14.960
<v Speaker 1>too many people have suffered already, and he goes, then, you, Elliott.

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Are a human being. Congratulations. You're not a sheep like

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 3>I was. You're a man. Thank you.

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Then he flips the light on and says, don't worry

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 1>about your partner, and he hits the button again and

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 1>we hear the scream, but Live is fine and just

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 1>looking around confused because he says the screams were pre recorded.

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 1>He brought Live into a sound booth and said, scream

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 1>your heart out, baby.

0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:32.720
<v Speaker 3>She did.

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>And this thing he's holding in his hand is just

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.279
<v Speaker 1>a garage door opener. Referring to the detonator. He says

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the door's not wired either. So Elliot cuffs him and

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.759
<v Speaker 1>he goes to release Olivia. It was all fake. He

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:45.839
<v Speaker 1>faked it. Lives like, what the hell? They're taking him

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 1>out of the studio to bring him in, and he goes,

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 1>can I tie my shoe? And these guys should know

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that they should tie the purp shoes for them.

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.080
<v Speaker 3>They don't, don't fall for this shit.

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 1>He bends down to tie his shoe and he has

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a detonator in his side. He blows the whole studio up.

0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Benson and Stabler hit the ground somehow, Merritt's Fine takes

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>off running. He goes through some hedges. He's cuffed the

0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 1>whole time, by the way. He goes through some hedges

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 1>onto an abandoned playground. They lose him. They lose him

0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 1>like they're pretty fast at running. It's so crazy. There's

0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:19.879
<v Speaker 1>a huge pond, but there's no sign of him. So

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 1>a liv goes, if he went into that watercuffed, he's dead,

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.400
<v Speaker 1>but it's like it takes longer than thirty seconds to drown,

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.840
<v Speaker 1>like and there's not even a ripple in the water.

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 3>So they just like walk away and call it a day.

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 1>They're like, it's almost like they wanted him to get away,

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:35.560
<v Speaker 1>like they feel like he didn't really maybe do anything

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that bad.

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. And that's the end of the episode.

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:39.720
<v Speaker 3>That's dick Wolf.

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.799
<v Speaker 1>And I was just shocked at how this ended, like

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 1>they just let him run away.

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, I want him to get away too,

0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:48.719
<v Speaker 2>but I think they think he did something wrong, and

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:49.319
<v Speaker 2>so do I.

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 3>But I still am like.

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Get out of here, Yeah, get out of here, mister rook.

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:56.239
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, But.

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, stay tuned, and this is so close to a

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:08.600
<v Speaker 2>real life situation, so buckle up, guys, don't be sheep.

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.879
<v Speaker 3>But by are things that we're going to advertise to.

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this case is David Richard Stewart and this

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 2>guy he's like thirty eight years old, married five kids,

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and this is the guy who's making all these calls. Right,

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So there were a series of fraudulent folle calls made

0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>to a number of restaurants and small businesses. And the

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 2>calls began in nineteen ninety four and lasted for ten years.

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>But we didn't really piece anything together till two thousand

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and four and then worked backwards, and so he really

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 2>was getting away with this from coast to coast for

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a decade. He would call claim to be a police

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 2>officer and then would convince employees to operate strip searches

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:10.360
<v Speaker 2>and perform humiliating acts. So there were seventy phone calls

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 2>reported across thirty states. And the big case that kind

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 2>of blew this all open, it's the McDonald's case. On

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 2>April ninth, two thousand and four, an eighteen year old

0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 2>in Mount Washington, Kentucky, who was an employee of the McDonald's, Louise,

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Am I saying it.

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Right, Louise.

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>It is Louise Yay named Louise Ogborn, and she was

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 2>working the evening shift when the assistant manager, Donna Summers, and.

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Then sad to read a few times. I had to

0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 3>read it a few times. I was confused.

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 2>So good, but so so The assistant manager Donna Summers

0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:53.680
<v Speaker 2>called her into her office and she's like, hey, I'm

0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 2>on the phone with the police officer and he said

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>that you match a description actually of someone who stole

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 2>a purse from a customer. And Summers gave an option.

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 2>She goes, listen, Ogborn, you submit to a search here,

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 2>or you get escorted to a police station. Then she

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:13.960
<v Speaker 2>was directed on the phone to demand Ogborn to remove

0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 2>all of her clothing and then okay. So then so

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 2>she's going through it and it takes a really long time,

0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 2>and this girl gets fully naked. She's sitting with an apron.

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 2>It's very much from this Oh my god. And so

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:32.440
<v Speaker 2>basically this is all on camera. So there's a camera

0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in the office, so this whole attack, everything is fully

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:38.800
<v Speaker 2>on camera. The detective. So there's a there's a couple

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.240
<v Speaker 2>documentaries about this, and I watched the one on Netflix

0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 2>and like the detective watching the video started tearing up.

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:46.920
<v Speaker 3>He was like crying. I mean it.

0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Really like fucked people up. The video is pretty fucked up.

0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So you know, she's naked whatever, she's holding her all

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.080
<v Speaker 2>these tests, but then she has to get back to work, right,

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.040
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I got to get back to the road.

0:59:57.360 --> 1:00:00.120
<v Speaker 2>So the police officer on the phone is like, well,

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>do you have any men that you trust?

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Like can you call a man that you trust?

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.560
<v Speaker 2>And so she brought She's like, I have a fiance,

1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, Walter Nicks, so.

1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Wild thing.

1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.200
<v Speaker 2>The police are like, bring him over to monitor her,

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and this woman calls the fiance. She gets back to

1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:20.080
<v Speaker 2>work and then the guy takes over he's and then

1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:22.720
<v Speaker 2>it gets fucked. So he makes her do jumping jack

1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:26.200
<v Speaker 2>snaked jogging in place, stand on a chair, and it

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:26.800
<v Speaker 2>kept going.

1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:28.360
<v Speaker 3>This is a three hour ordeal.

1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:32.320
<v Speaker 2>She was kept trapped in this McDonald's little office for

1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:37.240
<v Speaker 2>three hours. And it is like, at what point would

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:41.240
<v Speaker 2>it not hit you like this is weird. Yeah, there's

1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.160
<v Speaker 2>no way the cops would want me to have a

1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:47.680
<v Speaker 2>young teen naked do jumping jacks, Like what the fuck?

1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:49.200
<v Speaker 3>And at one.

1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Point he he's spanking her naked ass like bent over

1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 2>his knee, and then he forced her to perform oral

1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:00.600
<v Speaker 2>sexual act.

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:02.640
<v Speaker 3>The cop told him to do that or he decided

1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:04.920
<v Speaker 3>to take that on for himself. Now the call, it

1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:10.360
<v Speaker 3>was like the truly the directions, this is horrific. As

1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.720
<v Speaker 3>for you watered it down like as you watered it down.

1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:14.440
<v Speaker 1>It was only thirty minutes, and it was like and

1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:16.280
<v Speaker 1>it didn't it was like it was just it was

1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:17.320
<v Speaker 1>like more groping.

1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:20.200
<v Speaker 3>This is horrible. He just wanted to test how far

1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:20.680
<v Speaker 3>he could go.

1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:25.200
<v Speaker 2>And what people say is that he never raised his voice,

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:31.280
<v Speaker 2>never aggressive, just cool, calm, collective, authoritative And that's that. Yes,

1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I said authoritative. You can drink if you want.

1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:34.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:38.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not perfect. But and she was, you know, yeah,

1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:41.320
<v Speaker 2>crying the whole time he hit and beat her. I

1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:45.400
<v Speaker 2>mean it was awful, and all on camera. So the

1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:47.840
<v Speaker 2>authorities are watching the tapes going what the fuck is

1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:50.640
<v Speaker 2>going on? There is no sound, you know, they're just

1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:54.720
<v Speaker 2>like watching this. The receivers of the call would eventually

1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:56.920
<v Speaker 2>finally catch on and then they're the ones who reported

1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the call, so like that, so suddenly it like hit

1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:02.760
<v Speaker 2>them and like, wait, I think it's a hoax, you know,

1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.040
<v Speaker 2>but always too fucking late, too fucking late. And then

1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:08.240
<v Speaker 2>once it hit Walter what he'd done, he starts running,

1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.640
<v Speaker 2>but they arrest him and then the detective on the

1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:17.320
<v Speaker 2>scene is named Buddy Stump, which that's pretty cool. And

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<v Speaker 2>the detective you know, finally sits down to take the

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<v Speaker 2>victim statement, and he realizes he knows her.

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<v Speaker 3>It's his neighbor. Oh and he's known her dad since

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<v Speaker 3>they were kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's he got activated. He's like, I'm gonna fucking

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<v Speaker 2>get this motherfucker. I don't care if it's the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing I do. So, you know, he starts doing red

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<v Speaker 2>rope on a map. There's a lot of red rope

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<v Speaker 2>safety pins, not safety pushpins. You know, he starts grouping

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<v Speaker 2>this and finding more and more, and he realized again

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<v Speaker 2>like a decade of calls, and they're all coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of well he didn't find it right away, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>all coming out of Panama City, baby, but at first

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know. So basically, like a supermarket payphone with

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<v Speaker 2>an AT and T calling card is what is fueling

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<v Speaker 2>these calls. And you know, he found tons of them

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<v Speaker 2>across everywhere and they're like bad. So one in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>the caller convinced the janitor to perform a cavity search

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<v Speaker 2>and a nineteen year old cashier and that was quoted

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<v Speaker 2>to ABC News by the Sun and then Bert like

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<v Speaker 2>a Burger King's trip search for seventeen year old employee

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<v Speaker 2>and Fargo Taco Bell in Phoenix and on and on,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all young teens and he would call in

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<v Speaker 2>with like a vague like or it would be payphones

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the place so he would see the people,

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<v Speaker 2>but he would just be like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have a suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a young girl, brunette, like pretty vague, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>always someone that kind of fitted.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was always teen girls. Yeah, that's what I

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<v Speaker 3>was going to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, if it's across thirty states, does this

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<v Speaker 1>guy go and so he can find the victims or

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<v Speaker 1>does he.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like like you said, he just plays it wow vague.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really hard and the evidence is there's no it's

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<v Speaker 2>really a tough case because it's clearly hit.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is tough.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically it is a big monster case and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all on this one small town officer and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>why is anyone not helping him, the FBI or other

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<v Speaker 2>cities or organization, Like, no one had his back. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just like this batman, this hillbilly batman who has to

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<v Speaker 2>take down this this this guy who they can't trap.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then for Wendy's in Massachusetts get hit. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was another cop in Massachusetts, and he's so massive,

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<v Speaker 2>he's very boss, and he's he gets hopped, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>hopped up, he gets activated. And what's cool is like

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<v Speaker 2>part of the evidence is someone Star sixty nine, which

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of thrilling, and like that gave.

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<v Speaker 3>Him an my god, star six nine. I know, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's it is, it's pretty, it's it's wild. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So then they figure out that it's prepaid calling cards

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<v Speaker 2>like Robin Williams, and so it means that means it's

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<v Speaker 2>an out of state person. And because long distance phone

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<v Speaker 2>calls are expensive and these are really long calls, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, this is out of state people prepaid calling cards.

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<v Speaker 2>But also the calling cards can't be tracked to an

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<v Speaker 2>OG phone number. But the Massachusetts man wouldn't stop pushing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you know, I'm gonna keep calling.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna keep calling.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally this woman on the other line helps him

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<v Speaker 2>get some information, calls him back and says, listen, post

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven, we can actually give you the OG

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<v Speaker 2>numbers associated.

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<v Speaker 3>But we just can't have the public knowing this information.

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<v Speaker 2>So so they get the info and they realize these

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<v Speaker 2>calls for a decade are all coming out of Panama City,

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<v Speaker 2>Panama City, Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's like it sounds like nothing good happens

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<v Speaker 2>in Panama I know, right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>This, I've never heard like amazing, amazing hero thing happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Panama City, Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, it's just like neon and date rape, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if you're from Panama City, please message us and

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<v Speaker 1>let it know what's good.

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<v Speaker 3>I let us know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there is a manatee, you know, a sweet little ye.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, supermarket payphones with AT and T calling cards.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when they reach Panama City, they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've actually heard of him, thank you. So they pump

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<v Speaker 2>it into overdrive and try to catch this motherfucker. And

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<v Speaker 2>so they're like, yeah, we fucking know who this guy is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's an almost identicalm o to like everywhere. Even

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<v Speaker 2>the name of like the fake cop, it's Officer Scott always.

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<v Speaker 2>And this obviously became huge news and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>giant case because this is ludicrous, like who has ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of like it is a wild So there's so

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<v Speaker 2>but they they still haven't found him. So the news

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<v Speaker 2>hits that this is existing and then they have footage

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<v Speaker 2>from Walmart, and they finally see this motherfucker walking in

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<v Speaker 2>and he's wearing a pant that like only cops have,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like braided on the side. And obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>cop realized the pant and was like, fuck that pant

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<v Speaker 2>is this motherfucker's a cop. So they finally, like after

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<v Speaker 2>a long chase, finally get him on the Walmart camera.

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<v Speaker 2>They go to police departments and they're like, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know this motherfucker. That's not a cop pant. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>correction officer pant. And so then they start hitting up

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<v Speaker 2>all the prisons in Florida and he's yeah, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>a prison guard for the Corrections Corporation of America.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is so fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>You're already in a position where you tell people what

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<v Speaker 1>to do all the time, where you're like in control

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<v Speaker 1>of people, but it's not enough for you. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to like call and make sure people get assaulted.

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<v Speaker 3>That is beyond fucked Oh wow, I haven't seen you

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<v Speaker 3>like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like if he was a guy, if

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<v Speaker 1>he was a truck driver, I'd be like, Okay, you're

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<v Speaker 1>like a board psycho.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is like crazy. You already are a person,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean, Like, yeah, you're already in control of

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<v Speaker 1>people and probably abusing your authority there as well. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, okay, go on. Well, the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>he's a cop lover.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to be a cop and he obviously failed,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he went to the police academy and it did

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<v Speaker 2>not work out for him. In his trailer they found guns,

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<v Speaker 2>police paraphernalia, training manuals. He volunteered as a deputy, like

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<v Speaker 2>he loved police. He was obsessed with police shit, never good,

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<v Speaker 2>never good, you know, like your daughter Rosie Paw patrol.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what happens. Yeah, it's waning, it's waning. Trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>She's excited for the new movie it's coming out soon.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that I think she's really she barely asks

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<v Speaker 1>for it anymore. But the new movie obviously caught her eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would see it.

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<v Speaker 2>So David Richard Stewart gets arrested June thirtieth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and four, and he's playing cooy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally when the Boston cops like the calls,

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<v Speaker 2>he starts to sweat, he shakes a little, and what

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<v Speaker 2>the cop says that he said was he asks, was

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<v Speaker 2>anybody hurt?

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<v Speaker 3>Duh?

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<v Speaker 2>You fucking listened in? And then he said, thank god

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<v Speaker 2>it's over. But then he pleads the fifth. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>like a full assay. He's obviously like smart, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and he not smart enough to be a so pretty

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<v Speaker 2>dumb but smart for dumb, I don't know. So he

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<v Speaker 2>was charged with impersonating a police officer and solicitation of sodomy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then October thirty first, two thousand and six. It

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<v Speaker 2>reads like a title card on SVU. It is Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no spider webs anywhere, and it's a sad

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<v Speaker 2>day because he is acquitted of all charges. What he's

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<v Speaker 2>acquitted of all charges from the case. The jury only

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<v Speaker 2>deliberate an hour and forty minutes. He was facing fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think sounds fair. But the jury said there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lack of evidence that he had placed the calls.

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<v Speaker 2>The jurors got a lot of circumstantial evidence. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a circumstantial case, but it just wasn't enough. There were

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<v Speaker 2>no witnesses to identify him being on the payphones. There

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<v Speaker 2>was no voice recordings. There was just like fuzzy photos

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<v Speaker 2>of a man buying calling cards, and the calling cards

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<v Speaker 2>were found in his home that were attached to other

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<v Speaker 2>incidents in different states. So I wonder if, like they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't able to tie the other calls or what like

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<v Speaker 2>if a calling card that was used to call the

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<v Speaker 2>other stores were found in your house.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how that's not enough evidence. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>also don't know how to celebate it. Thank god, it's over.

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<v Speaker 3>Not like a type of confession, right, Yeah, Like he

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<v Speaker 3>hired an amazing defense attorney. I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 3>much this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he hired an amazing attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that little confession having the calling card in the home.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But but since all this, the phone calls have stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>No one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's never happened ever again, like nothing has ever been reported,

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<v Speaker 2>so like nothing, you know, maybe something secret, but like

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has happened since he got caught. And basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the hot shot defense attorney is just like, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>sexually assault someone over the phone in regards to the statue,

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<v Speaker 2>So you just can't so and that you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the defensive Jurney's like, where when I got the case,

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew it wasn't him, because you can't sexually

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<v Speaker 2>assault someone over the phone. In regards to the statue,

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<v Speaker 2>I did say it again, nix then, but NIX. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the fiance. He pled guilty to sexual abuse

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<v Speaker 2>and other crimes on February second, two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's serving a five year prison sentence. Summers entered

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<v Speaker 2>an alfred plea later that month to a misdemeanor charge

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<v Speaker 2>of unlawful imprisonmentitment and was placed on probation. And I

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<v Speaker 2>watched footage of her. You know, she's crying in court.

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<v Speaker 2>She obviously feels pretty sickened by what she has done.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how he convinced this guy to get

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<v Speaker 1>oral sex or to assault her basically, like in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand like what they're like, you like the

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<v Speaker 1>reason for strip searching her. She might have the wallet,

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<v Speaker 1>she might have put it up her butt whatever, But

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<v Speaker 1>like why would you be like, Okay, now get her

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<v Speaker 1>to suck your dick? Like that doesn't make any sense

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Oh horrible, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Go on.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's also wild, but not because we've done this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast for a while, is that like this was happening everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody cared enough to do anything about it. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>like teenage girls from coast to coast were fucking assaulted

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<v Speaker 2>at work, traumatized for life. In the doc, you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to these women and they're never the same, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like their lives are forever changed. They were fucking assaulted

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<v Speaker 2>as teens. And then that was that. No one looked

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<v Speaker 2>for the call, no one figured it out. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>got in trying. I mean there's over seventy cases. I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously can't like go through all of them, but like

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<v Speaker 2>no one cared enough. Like I just don't understand where

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI wasn't involved, were any sort of national organization

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<v Speaker 2>like this just seems so.

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<v Speaker 3>Wild.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that like I didn't even know these

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<v Speaker 2>docs came out, I just don't understand it. So in

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<v Speaker 2>good news and this is reported by ABC the October

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven said that a jury and Bullet County, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>awarded Luis Ogborn five million dollars in punitive damages and

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<v Speaker 2>one point one million in compensatory compense.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know damages and expenses. Did she get that then? McDonald?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think no?

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<v Speaker 2>Because so that's another thing. Like the McDonald obviously were

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to be liable for it, and I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess in the manuals they claim. All I saw

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<v Speaker 2>was that McDonald's claims that in the manuals there are

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<v Speaker 2>written things against scams and not to be scammed.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just how do you prep for this.

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<v Speaker 2>This has never happened in the issue of anything, so

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't believe it. But McDonald's can't be held

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<v Speaker 2>liable at the end of the day, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it But I don't Summers is are they rich?

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<v Speaker 3>No, so maybe it was McDonald's. It wasn't said who

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<v Speaker 3>gave the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but people try to sue the she was asking

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<v Speaker 2>for two hundred mil. But like it would be per place,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really difficult. I guess with the courts it was difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>So but there was one case. It was a Hardy's

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<v Speaker 2>employee named Alan, and he did the strip search of

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<v Speaker 2>a young employee and then it hit him while what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening, and so he left, walked out when he

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<v Speaker 2>realized it was a hoax. And like also one of

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<v Speaker 2>the cases there was just like a bystander who's like

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck's going on. The energy here is wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and the employees are like, something's happening in the office,

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<v Speaker 2>and he, like fucking like a regular Samaritan, busted into

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<v Speaker 2>the office and saved one of the girls. Got on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone and was like, you're not like got involved,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like there's just there's probably.

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<v Speaker 3>So many fucking stories.

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<v Speaker 2>The other dog too, But so this one guy Alan,

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<v Speaker 2>it hit him what he had done. He went home

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<v Speaker 2>and then he went back the next day. The cops

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<v Speaker 2>were there waiting for him, and he was charged with

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<v Speaker 2>kidnapping and rape Jesus and so.

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<v Speaker 3>Like his life fully changed.

1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:59.439
<v Speaker 2>He was found not guilty, and it's like, I get it,

1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:01.400
<v Speaker 2>he was listening in order, but he did do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the.

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<v Speaker 2>Big piece of evidence was the girl kept being like

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<v Speaker 2>cover the camera, cover the camera, and he goes, absolutely not,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not covering the camera. And so his defense

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<v Speaker 2>attorney was like, you know, criminals don't ask to be

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<v Speaker 2>on camera, right, but you know, and he's crying and

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<v Speaker 2>he's sorry. But it's also like I don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>friends anymore and people stopped wanting to be around me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I lost my family and it's like, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, that is what the Hardy's guy or Richard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh okay, heart is Richard Stewart's never said anything.

1:15:35.680 --> 1:15:38.960
<v Speaker 3>He's been laying low. He's just like alive. Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I thought maybe one of these docs would

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten like to talk to him or something.

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<v Speaker 2>But so, yeah, he was sad and sorry. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>also terrible what this allan guy did. And even after

1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:51.920
<v Speaker 2>all that, like they didn't go for the call person.

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<v Speaker 2>No justice for so many of these victims. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know more information Netflix, it's called don't

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<v Speaker 2>pick up the phone. And then Peacock it's pervert hunting

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<v Speaker 2>the strip search callar.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna watch that one next. And I remember

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<v Speaker 3>this story in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it and like hearing, Oh, it's like it

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<v Speaker 1>was like a prank to strip search somebody. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I realized how far the crime went. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I really I thought it was like a strip

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<v Speaker 1>search only, but I remember this when it came to.

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<v Speaker 3>The age of the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's never like because the guy was never like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh it's a you know, tall guy that he stole

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<v Speaker 1>the wallet, go bring him into the bat, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like because that would never work. They had to like

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<v Speaker 1>use victims that they could control.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was usually like small towns, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like religious people, like authority in small towns is more.

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<v Speaker 2>You're really taught to like listen to everyone and they're

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<v Speaker 2>your neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like Munch kind of had a point too,

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you work at a fast food place in

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<v Speaker 1>a small town or whatever, it is like, yeah, she's

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<v Speaker 1>the assistant manager, I got a lit and everything she.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, you know, like I gotta do it. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't try that in a Brooklyn McDonald's. Yeah there.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet he was not calling around the Burrows. Wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know Karen the episode mentioned and it

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<v Speaker 2>was like the you know, the detective mil Groom or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Milgrim experiment on obedience to authority and what's

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<v Speaker 2>funny is I get this in the Stanford prison experiment

1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:30.599
<v Speaker 2>constantly confused. Yeah, me too, because both of them were

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<v Speaker 2>ethical low points in research. And so both of these,

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<v Speaker 2>both the prison and this Milgrim experiment changed like the

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<v Speaker 2>APA style of what you can and can't do with

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<v Speaker 2>subjects of testing and experiments.

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<v Speaker 3>They really fucked with people here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So basically, the Stanley Milgram is a social Stanley

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<v Speaker 2>Milgram is a social psychologist who researched the effect of

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<v Speaker 2>authority on obedience and like, why do people obey when

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<v Speaker 2>they field coursed? And this was a nineteen sixty one

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<v Speaker 2>Yale University study, and he concluded that people obey either

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<v Speaker 2>out of fear or out of desire to appear cooperative,

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<v Speaker 2>and even when they're acting against their own better judgment

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<v Speaker 2>and desires. And so he recruited subjects from all various

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<v Speaker 2>walks of life. He put an ad in a paper

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<v Speaker 2>and you were paid four dollars for one hour of

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<v Speaker 2>your time. And over the next two years, hundreds of

1:18:22.320 --> 1:18:25.519
<v Speaker 2>people showed up ready to be in the study. And

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<v Speaker 2>the respondents were told the experiment would study the effects

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<v Speaker 2>of punishment on learning ability. But all the people thought

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<v Speaker 2>that they had an equal chance to be a teacher

1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:36.360
<v Speaker 2>or student, but it was rigged and everyone played a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>So every single person that walked in to be a

1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:42.480
<v Speaker 2>subject was a teacher, and all the students aka learners,

1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:46.720
<v Speaker 2>were actors. So the learner was an actor and is

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<v Speaker 2>a cohort And I kind of love that word of

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<v Speaker 2>the experimenter and the teachers were told to administer increasing

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<v Speaker 2>levels of electric shock to the learner when they answered

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<v Speaker 2>a question wrong, but in reality, the only electric shock

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<v Speaker 2>that was delivered was one single forty five volt shock

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<v Speaker 2>to the teachers, so they knew how it felt, so

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<v Speaker 2>they knew what they were doing, and so each teacher got.

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<v Speaker 3>A little baby forty five volt shock.

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<v Speaker 2>So they knew what was up and would understand what

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<v Speaker 2>they're giving out. And the shock levels were labeled from

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen to four hundred and fifty volts, and the actors

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<v Speaker 2>so at seventy five volts they would grunt, they would

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<v Speaker 2>complain at one twenty, asked to leave at one fifty

1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:34.800
<v Speaker 2>plead with vigor was the words, then agonized screams at

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<v Speaker 2>two eighty five, and then they were supposed to act desperate,

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<v Speaker 2>yell loudly, complain of heart pain, and then finally at

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and thirty volts, the actor was instructed to

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<v Speaker 2>go silent.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty five percent of the participants continued to give wild

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<v Speaker 2>doses of electric shock, even though in all the video

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<v Speaker 2>footage they didn't want to do it. It was all reluctant,

1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:01.000
<v Speaker 2>like they wanted to stop. They're like the person made

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<v Speaker 2>me do it. You know, someone would say the experiment

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<v Speaker 2>requires that you continue, and someone's like, oh, I guess

1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I have to. Some did back out early with like

1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:14.439
<v Speaker 2>experimenters like pushing them and urging them, and those the

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<v Speaker 2>experimenters were instructed to use force in different tools to

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<v Speaker 2>also persuade people to do it.

1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:23.880
<v Speaker 3>But some people backed out right away and was like

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<v Speaker 3>fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>But the majority sixty five percent and these are like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're willing to progress to the maximum voltage level even

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<v Speaker 2>when they thought the learner was dead.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, Like, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are people in this study who once they found out

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't real, we're like, oh, I'm so glad he

1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:45.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't He's not dead, but it's like you committed murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the point of this whole thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>the participants are seemingly good, average people, not evil. But

1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.200
<v Speaker 2>they obeyed only under coersion, and one dude was like,

1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:58.240
<v Speaker 2>I have to do it. I have to do it

1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:02.639
<v Speaker 2>when he was told he needed to. And people were shocking,

1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:06.599
<v Speaker 2>screaming people, and then finally they were debriefed, they were

1:21:06.640 --> 1:21:09.040
<v Speaker 2>really relieved, and then there were groups of people out

1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:12.040
<v Speaker 2>of that group. So the first group obeyed, but justify themselves.

1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:15.400
<v Speaker 2>They're like, they gave up responsibility. It wasn't me, it

1:21:15.439 --> 1:21:19.360
<v Speaker 2>was the experimenter. Then there were people that obeyed but

1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:23.719
<v Speaker 2>blamed themselves. So these are the people that felt terrible

1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:27.080
<v Speaker 2>what they had done. They were very hard on themselves,

1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and then perhaps they'll be more likely to challenge authority

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. And then there's the group that rebelled

1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:36.160
<v Speaker 2>and they questioned authority of the experimenter and argued there

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<v Speaker 2>was a greater ethical imperative calling for the protection of

1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:43.439
<v Speaker 2>the students over the needs of the experiment. But these

1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:47.439
<v Speaker 2>results can never be retested or recreated because of the

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<v Speaker 2>ethical fucked upness of this study. So now the rules

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<v Speaker 2>are like you you know, people have to know what

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting into.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't cause harm.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, with decades of time, there's people

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<v Speaker 2>that question it, there's new opinions about it, whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, the findings can never

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<v Speaker 2>be retested.

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<v Speaker 3>This will stand alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, scary. You know what this reminded me

1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:17.799
<v Speaker 1>of I wrote on this show the Stanford Prison Experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>But also I wrote on this show called Magic for

1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:23.759
<v Speaker 1>Humans that was like this magician guys show on Netflix,

1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and I was in a writer's room with all magicians

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like telling me so many interesting things

1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>about like how they they were telling me how a

1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of like mentalists can get people to do hypnotism

1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and stuff that they'll bring people into a room basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a casting call, like the people don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>they're there, and they'll have one person in the room

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<v Speaker 1>who will just start like doing things like they'll let

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<v Speaker 1>they'll a bell will go off and that person will

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<v Speaker 1>stand up, and then the bell will go off and

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<v Speaker 1>that person will stand will sit down, and after like

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<v Speaker 1>a while, other people start following. And those are the

1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:58.080
<v Speaker 1>people they eliminate. They're like these or no, those are

1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:00.559
<v Speaker 1>the people they keep. If you don't follow those rules.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're like I'm not going to stand up just

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<v Speaker 1>because a bell is ringing, they kick you out because

1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:09.559
<v Speaker 1>you're not open to suggestion, like you're not coercibles as

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<v Speaker 1>much as other people. And that's how they find people

1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:15.920
<v Speaker 1>to hypnotize on like television shows and stuff. They find

1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:18.799
<v Speaker 1>people that are going to be the ones to follow

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<v Speaker 1>like what someone else is doing, cause like it seems

1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:23.840
<v Speaker 1>like they're just picking somebody out of a crowd. But

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<v Speaker 1>when it's a crowd full of coercible people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting. Just reminded me of that. Yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 3>like what would you do?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and I always like to think i'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do I would never do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like maybe I don't. I mean, in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the moment, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>If the experimental is like it's fine, it's fine, keep going,

1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:45.160
<v Speaker 3>I might be like, uh, oh, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think i'd go up to dead.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this thing of like when I just stand in

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<v Speaker 2>line for the bathroom and I want like I don't

1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:54.200
<v Speaker 2>want to be a sheep, right, so I'll be like, did.

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<v Speaker 3>You even check the door?

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<v Speaker 2>To me, nothing is worse than when no one checks

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<v Speaker 2>the door and you're just waiting in line and then

1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:03.280
<v Speaker 2>you and you're like fuck all of you. But then

1:24:03.320 --> 1:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're someone that thinks you're like then you go

1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:07.800
<v Speaker 2>jingle the door and someone is in there and the

1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>person did check, and then you're just like humiliated. You're

1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>like an impatient loser. So it's like it's tough too.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know live life.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for jamming for looking at all that up

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<v Speaker 1>all that information.

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<v Speaker 3>That was very interesting. I knew some of that story,

1:24:26.520 --> 1:24:27.720
<v Speaker 3>but not all the details.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we'll just dive right into our post mortem

1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:35.479
<v Speaker 1>because we don't have a guest today.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So obviously this was one of our best episodes,

1:24:40.960 --> 1:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>can I say it? It was an incredible episode. Robin Williams.

1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we did a full memoriam to him up top.

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<v Speaker 2>But the crime is so fucked it. I talked to

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<v Speaker 2>my sister's friend who's a lawyer, and it's just like,

1:24:53.880 --> 1:24:57.280
<v Speaker 2>it's so messed up that these people had no justice

1:24:57.800 --> 1:25:01.559
<v Speaker 2>because like obviously the managers, because it's like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want the managers to fully serve kidnapping terms like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five to life, but yeah, for them to fully serve

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<v Speaker 2>no time is also fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you say there at faults a little, then

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<v Speaker 3>they're fully of fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I get all of that, but they did abuse

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<v Speaker 2>these people, but then to have the kingpin of it

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<v Speaker 2>all get.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing, get nothing, it's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Even worse thinking about it more and more, and like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the fact that there was no intern, like

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<v Speaker 2>no national or no FBI to get involved, like no.

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<v Speaker 3>Like just that the construct I guess that's.

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<v Speaker 2>That, like no one even tried to connect who the

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<v Speaker 2>call was nothing like all dozens of victims with absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no justice, which is nothing new.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>And the woman in the documentary just being like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're assaulted, your life changes, and some people it is

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<v Speaker 2>forever cannot get what is it back to normal? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that even a thing? Like it's just so heartbreaking that

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<v Speaker 2>they get.

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<v Speaker 1>No Like if somebody, if somebody like bullied somebody into

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<v Speaker 1>committing a crime, if somebody was like just do it,

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<v Speaker 1>just do it, just do it, like they would still

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<v Speaker 1>get time. So I don't really get why somebody calling

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<v Speaker 1>up and posing as somebody like you're still not exercising

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<v Speaker 1>right and wrong. Like I don't really get why these

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<v Speaker 1>people didn't get any punishment, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, because like they don't even care about these women.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't care, you know. The only real I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the detective that like that we met that

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about, like you know, it was his neighbor's

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and so we knew her her whole life. But

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<v Speaker 2>if not, would he have gotten involved? Yeah, and not

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<v Speaker 2>to bring you know what I just realized below Deck

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<v Speaker 2>down Under did not have a reunion. Oh, bra wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it. Yeah, Ka chas Stain was

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<v Speaker 2>just watch What Happens Live and they were playing like

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<v Speaker 2>what would you do as a chief?

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<v Speaker 3>Dude?

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<v Speaker 2>Did this person do a good job? Didn't even bring

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<v Speaker 2>it up? Like That's that's where Bravo does fail me.

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<v Speaker 2>They really like they don't stand up until it's way

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<v Speaker 2>too late. Yeah. Like, I just don't feel they're ever

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<v Speaker 2>really ahead of the trend of like speaking out against

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<v Speaker 2>anything very true, which is upsetting the opposite of Mrishkaarkitute

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<v Speaker 2>also shout out, I don't even remember what time we

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<v Speaker 2>were in what happened, but we did get gifted too

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<v Speaker 2>Fearless Fearless necklaces.

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<v Speaker 3>Not official but from like a story they were based

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<v Speaker 3>off of. They were based on a true story.

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<v Speaker 2>They were based I don't want you think people are

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<v Speaker 2>showing up with seven hundred dollars gifts that you know

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<v Speaker 2>that's not necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>We do not expect anything at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And also a shout out in Raleigh to the two

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<v Speaker 1>listeners that showed up dressed as was it Rollin's and Malena.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, mortal enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>Mortal Enemy is Melinda and Rollins, but it was their costumes.

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<v Speaker 2>Were velo, so cute. There was a clipboard, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a glove. I mean, they really like went for it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, come to our shows dressed up. No one will

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<v Speaker 1>even look at you sideways. It's October. They'll assume you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to a Halloween party. Come to our shows dressed up.

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<v Speaker 3>We would love it. I love Halloween. We're gonna have fun. Wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I just saw something some dynasty's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>A death becomes her showing ooh, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that now a warning. Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>love death becomes.

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<v Speaker 3>Her so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for those of you who are into Halloween but

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<v Speaker 2>don't love like gory or horror, actual like scary. Death

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<v Speaker 2>becomes her is like spooky, but comedy in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that you would love.

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<v Speaker 3>So we recommend that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's Goldiehan, Meryl Straight, Bruce Willis, Isabella Russellini.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get I mean, they don't make movies like

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<v Speaker 1>this anymore. They simply don't. So you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>watch it. I own it on DVD. I own a

1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:02.599
<v Speaker 1>DVD I purchased. Jared got it for me a couple

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<v Speaker 1>years ago because he's like, you need this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, let's see let's do a what's

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<v Speaker 2>it called when you put it on the screen projector knight? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we totally can, we totally should.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if I'm gonna get trigger treaters this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I always get a few, but not a ton. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into our what would Sister peg do? Our

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<v Speaker 1>weekly segment where we, you know, direct you guys to

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary, a blog post, an organization, something to give

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<v Speaker 1>you more info about what we talked about this week.

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<v Speaker 3>And we thought this week.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be best to just have you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the docuseries that Liza mentioned in her research.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't pick up the phone. It's on Netflix if you

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<v Speaker 3>want more.

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<v Speaker 1>Information about these heinous crimes and this miscarriage of justice. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>the documentary follows the investigation into the series of hoax

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls that were quote unquote allegedly perpetrated by David

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Stewart wouldn't want this prince of a man to

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<v Speaker 1>sue us for saying that he actually committed any crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want more info on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Disturbing case, check out the doc and the We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>posted in our stories when this episode releases, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as Saved forever in our WWSPD highlight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for that, and next week another

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<v Speaker 2>a episode appearances, Season four, episode nineteen, Get with it.

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