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Speaker 1: From Media dos World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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Speaker 1: is Kel's we Can review with Ryan kel Kell in

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Speaker 1: now Here's Kel. The big mouth buffalo carp is the

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Speaker 1: oldest age validated fresh water fish on the planet, the

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Speaker 1: oldest saltwater fish being the greenland shark, which isn't for

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Speaker 1: sale if you're asking. The big mouth buffalo is native

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Speaker 1: to North American can weigh in at over eighty pounds,

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Speaker 1: but the oldest of the three d eighty six wild

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Speaker 1: caught fish collected in a recent study was only twenty

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Speaker 1: two pounds at her astonishing age of a hundred and

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Speaker 1: twelve years old when she was caught near Pelican Rapids, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Kind of flies in the face of the oldest is

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Speaker 1: the biggest mantra we have in the outdoor world? Doesn't.

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Speaker 1: In this study, five big mouth buffalo carp were aged

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Speaker 1: at over one hundred years old. Almost two carp were

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Speaker 1: in their eighties or nineties, leaving little doubt as to

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Speaker 1: the longevity of the species. Because of the long lives

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Speaker 1: of these carp, scientists have realized that there are major

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Speaker 1: reproductive gaps in this fish. History of fish taken from

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Speaker 1: multiple populations were over eighty years old. Typically, a study

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Speaker 1: like this would reveal multiple age classes. This suggests the

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Speaker 1: possibility that the building of dams in the thirties seriously

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Speaker 1: restricted the fish as ability to reproduce. In order to

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Speaker 1: get a super accurate idea of age, the scientists in

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Speaker 1: the study used bomb radio carbon dating bomb referring to

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Speaker 1: atomic bomb tests carried out in forties, fifties, and sixties.

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Speaker 1: The A bomb tests increased the amount of carbon fourteen

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Speaker 1: isotope in the environment, leaving a permanent measurable marker that

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Speaker 1: can be measured against pre bomb test or pre carbon

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Speaker 1: fort heen isotope spike materials. But back to the fish.

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Speaker 1: Big native carp like these have long been considered and

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Speaker 1: are referred to as quote trash fish, and I'll just

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Speaker 1: say right now that's incredibly unfair and flat out wrong.

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Speaker 1: In fact, with the increasing number of non native invasive

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Speaker 1: species filling our waterways, the importance of keeping our native

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Speaker 1: fish healthy cannot be understated. The reason for this is

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Speaker 1: if our fish species are so healthy they're combined biomass

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Speaker 1: in a system will prevent more fish from moving in

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Speaker 1: no room at the end, so to speak. On top

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Speaker 1: of that, the big mouth buffalo actually eats invasive zebra

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Speaker 1: muscles during their larval stage. These muscles are a serious

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Speaker 1: threat to native species, infrastructure and water ways and recreation.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, this act alone makes the big mouth

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Speaker 1: buffalo carp much more of a trash collector or civil

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Speaker 1: servant than a trash fish. This week swimmers here and

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Speaker 1: Neandertal Gordon Ramsey poach is more than just eggs, stream

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Speaker 1: access and so much more. But first, I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you about my week. Uh few old guide buddies came

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Speaker 1: through for an end of summer fishing trip. A couple

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Speaker 1: of highlights for you. This first one is for a

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Speaker 1: collective social education. I learned my childhood friend, classmate, current

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Speaker 1: seattlite and fellow ex guide Kelsey Clevenberg, associates himself with

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Speaker 1: a very French society of men called Fleneur. A fleneur,

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Speaker 1: as it was explained to me, openly values leisure, sleeping

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Speaker 1: in and lounging, all traits we Americans typically do not

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Speaker 1: consider valuable. Since I will be the best man in

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Speaker 1: his upcoming wedding, I felt that I owed it to

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Speaker 1: the world to better understand just what a fleneur is.

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Speaker 1: The word fleneur means stroller, lounger, saunter, or loafer, often

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Speaker 1: with the connotation of wasting time. A fleneur is also

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Speaker 1: described as a detached observer quote botanist of the sidewalk.

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Speaker 1: According to Baudelaire, a flaneur also shuns an overly orderly

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Speaker 1: plan in favor of flexibility. And finally, my favorite quote

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Speaker 1: actress Cornelia Odas Skinner quote, there is no Anglo saxon

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Speaker 1: counterpart of that essentially Gaelic individual, the deliberately aimless pedestrian,

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Speaker 1: unencumbered by any obligation or sense of urgency, who, being

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Speaker 1: French and therefore frugal, wastes nothing, including his time, which

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Speaker 1: he spends with the leisurely discrimination of a gourmet, savoring

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Speaker 1: the multiple flavors of his city. If you're still confused,

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Speaker 1: this Seattle based buddy of mine could be described as

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Speaker 1: the dude from the amazing Coen Brothers movie The Big Lebowski.

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Speaker 1: If the dude was a bit more techy and really

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Speaker 1: into cross fit, well, you know, that's just like your opinion, man,

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Speaker 1: So now you know what a fleneur is and like myself,

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Speaker 1: will now be forced to categorize some of your buddies

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Speaker 1: or your own behavior a little differently. Back to the

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Speaker 1: fun fishing part, or the second highlight of the trip.

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Speaker 1: This one came as a direct result of being flexible.

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Speaker 1: Much like the aforementioned fleneur, we were rewarded by refusing

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Speaker 1: to follow a rigid plant. We initially geared up for

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Speaker 1: last minute I threw in my box a spear fishing gear, wetsuits,

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Speaker 1: a pole spear, an actual spear gun, masks, snorkels, flippers, gloves, booties,

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Speaker 1: conditions were about as good as they could possibly be

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Speaker 1: In Montana. Visibility is always a factor when diving, and

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Speaker 1: suspending the water, which makes finding fish, not to mention

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Speaker 1: actually spearing fish, pretty darned difficult. These couple of days

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Speaker 1: offered spectacular your visibility and abundance of aquatic life. A

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Speaker 1: couple of fun observations. I found that if you swam

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Speaker 1: pea sized gravel. Schools of carp would come in to

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Speaker 1: inspect the digging. You may not like KRP, but I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you they're surprisingly fun to observe and dig in

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Speaker 1: the gravel with. I also discovered that walleye are curious fish.

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Speaker 1: This was huge for me as I have always wanted

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Speaker 1: to find a more interesting way to add walleye to

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Speaker 1: my diet. Finding the spots while I like to hang

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Speaker 1: was very difficult, but once I located a few shooting

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Speaker 1: walleye was relatively simple. Swim down where they are holding,

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Speaker 1: in this case about eighteen feet down and sit or

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Speaker 1: Forty seconds was enough on most of these dives. Sitting

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Speaker 1: but you have to be still and patient. Luckily or unluckily,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, there were plenty of non fish things to

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Speaker 1: rocks took my mind off of my lungs imploding. About

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Speaker 1: the time my brain would be in total freak out

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Speaker 1: I'd calmly look over my shoulder and notice that a

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Speaker 1: walleye had slid into my slip stream. Then another couple

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Speaker 1: of while I would come in and give me a

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Speaker 1: big walle i a type of look over. Even got

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Speaker 1: to witness a big walle i swim through a small

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Speaker 1: school of bait fish like a humpback whale gulping krill.

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Speaker 1: It was an amazing experience. Once the wall I got

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Speaker 1: groceries off the shelf in a way. We shot almost

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Speaker 1: bonus freshwater drum. Both the drum and the wally i

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Speaker 1: were very good eating and in my opinion, getting some exercise. Swimming,

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Speaker 1: more fun than waiting to detect a finicky walleye bite

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Speaker 1: with walleye, they have always kind of board me. Again,

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Speaker 1: they're very subtle eaters. Detecting a strike take serious time

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Speaker 1: on the water, and when you do hook a walleye,

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Speaker 1: in my experience, they just don't put up much of

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Speaker 1: a fight. I know this is seriously contentious with Joe

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Speaker 1: have extensive walleye experience, but I'll still tell you in

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Speaker 1: the future, when possible, I'll be targeting all my walleye

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Speaker 1: with a spear rather than a rod. Nothing wrong with

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Speaker 1: a little more exercise per walleye and the cooler moving

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Speaker 1: on to the anthropology desk and letting you know that

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Speaker 1: this type of watery physical activity may come at a cost,

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Speaker 1: and apparently always has. Repeated exposure to cold water like

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Speaker 1: we were diving in can cause something called surfer's ear.

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Speaker 1: That's the layman's term for external auditory exostoses, or bony

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Speaker 1: response to irritation caused by repeated dips in cold water.

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Speaker 1: Quite coincidentally, a recent study of Eurasian Neanderthal skulls revealed

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Speaker 1: a surprisingly high occurrence of surfers here. Now, the sample

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Speaker 1: size is relatively small, but these skulls may still offer

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Speaker 1: a snapshot into Neanderthal life. I highly doubt the snapshot

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Speaker 1: will reveal any ancient surfboard design, but I'll follow along

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Speaker 1: and let you know. About half of the twenty three

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Speaker 1: skulls in this study suggests that Neanderthals likely spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time foraging in and around water. Additionally, an

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Speaker 1: equal prevalence of surfers here in both male and female

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Speaker 1: Neanderthals suggests that men and women shared the same hunting

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Speaker 1: and foraging responsibilities, a set in bone fact that hunting

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Speaker 1: and fishing is just as female as it is male.

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Speaker 1: I find stuff like this generally fascinating, but it also

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Speaker 1: makes me think that if you really like to fish

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Speaker 1: or clam or forage seaweed and get roped into one

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Speaker 1: with Neanderthal DNA, you can just nod your head and

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Speaker 1: say something like yes, of course, I mean, you won't

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Speaker 1: be entirely right, but you won't be all that wrong either.

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Speaker 1: Moving on, but sticking with the ancestral fishing desk. Gordon Ramsey,

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Speaker 1: the celebrity chef made famous by the series Hell's Kitchen

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Speaker 1: got some ink the other week when he admitted to

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Speaker 1: fond childhood memories of poaching salmon with his father in Scotland.

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Speaker 1: Poaching like he and his dad were illegally taking game.

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Speaker 1: Not the cooking technique, but fishing in Scotland is, in

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion, extremely complicated. Waters where salmon can be

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Speaker 1: found are generally private. These private waters are either locked

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Speaker 1: up solely for the landowner or at least two fishing clubs, hotels, lodges,

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Speaker 1: You'd have to book a spending spot on a salmon river,

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Speaker 1: meaning that if it's good, the beat will rarely, if ever,

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Speaker 1: and better opportunity. None of this makes Ramsey's history of

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Speaker 1: poaching acceptable, but it does paint a picture of how

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Speaker 1: someone who wants to fish could look at this system

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Speaker 1: and say, screw it, I'm going fishing. Absolutely delicious frustrating

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Speaker 1: as I find this whole private water thing. It does

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Speaker 1: allow me to once again talk about how awesome some

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Speaker 1: of the fishing game laws are in America and how

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Speaker 1: darned luck we are to be able to enjoy access

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Speaker 1: to rivers and forests owned by us, the people, not

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Speaker 1: a fishing club or crown estate. That being said, it's

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Speaker 1: incumbent on all of us to protect our exceptional access rights.

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Speaker 1: Look at what's going on in the State of New

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Speaker 1: Mexico in regards to this very thing. According to the

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Speaker 1: New Mexico State Constitution, the unappropriated water of every natural stream,

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Speaker 1: perennial or torrential within the State of New Mexico is

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Speaker 1: hereby declared to belong to the public. Sounds good, but

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Speaker 1: accessing that water has become something of a challenge over

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Speaker 1: the past few years. In two thousand fifteen, New Mexico

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Speaker 1: that cut through private property. Before that, those stream beds

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Speaker 1: were considered public land, just like they are here in

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Speaker 1: the Great State of Montana. That legislation flew in the

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Speaker 1: The five landowners who got these permits last year were

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Speaker 1: Game Commission, recently appointed by the new governor, voted to

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Speaker 1: the New Mexico Attorney General's office reviews the legality of

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Speaker 1: the whole deal, folks, This is not a new issue.

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Speaker 1: Water access in this country is contentious and confusing. Laws

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Speaker 1: This is a huge topic and I could spend multiple

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Speaker 1: The Public Trust Doctrine gives us historic rights to access

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