WEBVTT - Five-Finger Dismount (with Nick Chambers) 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:05.920 If you're dead and you can't do anything else, I 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:10.280 wouldn't run around cursing people too for less easy. Yeah, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.239 what's this nigger got the sniffles? I'm gonna beats. I 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:22.120 don't like how that shirt fits on you. Y'all. Every 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:30.280 shirt you try and gonna look bad. Yeah, you're gonna 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.879 be real stuff conscious when you wear them too, You're 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.080 gonna know they look bad. It ain't gonna be one 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.800 of them things where you're like, I look good for 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:38.960 other people are like, Now, I don't think that works. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:01:00.760 You go, no, bitch, chips in your racist money, mars 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:08.880 man in terms stuff you can't tell me. Yep, there 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.399 it is there, It is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.600 Welcome to another phenomenon devastating episode of My Mama Told Me, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.000 the podcast where we died deep, deep into the pockets 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.400 of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.160 that George Washington Carver discovered over three hundred uses for 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.920 the peanut, but he had zero uses for these nuts. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.840 Do you know why? Because he was castrated as a 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.479 young boy. That's right. They took that man's testicles away 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.520 from him, and that horrible and unfair thing happened, but 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.640 I believe it was the exact motivation he needed to 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.919 focus all of that other energy on other kinds of nuts, 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.440 no distractions. It's like how that old saying goes when 0:01:54.440 --> 0:02:00.440 a ball nut closes a peanut opens. Huh, guys know 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.560 that classic saying that everybody says, It's it's a tale 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.720 is all this time? I'm your host, Lankston Herman. I'm 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.359 happy to be here. What a what a lovely, lovely 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.400 happy experience we have for you today, my guest, and 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.480 I should say this before my guest comes on. When 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.720 I was looking up information about George Washington Carver, one 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.440 of the first things that pops up when you type 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.280 in George Washington Carver is George Washington Carver, did he 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:33.040 own slaves? And Uh. That's a real sad question for 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.560 the Internet to have produced and really makes me feel 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.320 like America is hopeless and we deserve to die from 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.720 whatever virus. It doesn't have to be Corona, it can 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.840 be a way sillier virus. But we don't deserve to 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.040 keep living one way or the other. Anyway, my guest today, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.920 he deserves to keep living. He's a good guy. Not 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.320 only is he a good person, he's a phenomenal artist. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.240 He's one of these people that I'm immensely jealous of 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.560 because of his his many many skills. He is solely responsible, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.560 no help. He made our theme music, he made the 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.240 artwork for this project. He he is the artist behind 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.120 so much of this. I just talked ship. This motherfucker 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.560 puts in the work. You guys are gonna love him. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:20.160 A dear friend of hilarious person Mr Nick Chambers. Every money, Hello, Hello, Hello, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:27.079 crowd is coming through. Great. Oh yeah, now they're here. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.320 You made that theme music and they're like, what's up? 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.560 And let's be clear you you wrote some of the lyrics, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.400 but I did. I wrote the less funny lyrics in 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:41.200 the UH. I wrote like three lyrics. I was like, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.280 I don't know, dog, just repeat it. And you were like, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.600 those are the ones that people quote to me. Though 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:50.960 those are I was like, whila, bears are raisedst Like 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.200 I get a fair amount of uh of response from 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.160 But I do genuinely think the stuff about the ozone 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.360 layer in the artians and the turkey stuff and is oh, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.120 just fantastic work. You really should be proud of yourself. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.840 Thank you, Yeah, nobody's gonna award you for it, and 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.720 and frankly they shouldn't. It's this is a stupid, stupid 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.800 thing you've done. But I'm really happy you did it. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:22.960 I'm grateful we have an amazing conspiracy theory to unpack today. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.800 I would argue it's new to me. I've never heard 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:31.600 it before, certainly not one that was like, uh constantly 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.000 in the lexicon of like ship that I heard growing up. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.240 I know that you come from a Jamaican home, so 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.360 I have to imagine that there are some cultural sort 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.200 of like connection to some of the things that were 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.480 about to unpack. You said, and this is it's a 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:53.760 fun one. You said. My mama told me if you 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.520 point at a cemetery, all your fingers will fall off. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.640 Talk to me about that. Tell me more so, if 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.880 you point episode there, all your things will fall off, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.839 and the only way to reverse it is to bite 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:14.400 all of your fingers. Pre Okay, let's let's pause there 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.359 for a second, because my fingers are falling off. So 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.360 am I biting them preemptively? Exactly? You've pointed. You recognize 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.840 you pointed. You bite them too, I guess reattach the 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:31.000 nerves it's very medical. You bite all your fingers and 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.800 then they won't fall off. I don't know what the 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:37.320 time frame is in Well, That's what I'm wondering, is like, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.080 how quickly am I expected to uh to to notice 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.919 this to bite down. I'm obviously aware of this wives tale, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.880 So why the funk am I pointing in the first place? 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.679 I don't know, Like I asked, I asked, my parents 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.360 are like, okay, so, and this is something that they 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.160 told me long after I was a child because I 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.880 was very scary as a kid. I couldn't show up, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.600 would have never been able to deal with this as 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.000 a child. But uh, and going back and like asking 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.800 like so weird, like who told you this? What what 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.240 would happen to, Like, I don't know, just somebody my mom? 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.919 And my mom said, I don't know, but it's a 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.359 thing that I used to do as a kid. And 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.880 my dad said, I don't know. It's from slavery. And 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.120 I asked for more information and he's like, it's probably 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:28.520 something left over. I don't understand. And and frankly, who 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.599 can argue with slavery. It's not there's no retort to that. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.600 It's just like all right, it's from slavery, I guess slaves. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.280 If I'm a slave master and people sneak out at night, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:44.440 I would have been some horror stories like, yeah, there's 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.920 a cemetery, this ghosts. You gotta bite your fingers, and 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:48.440 why are you biting your fingers? They're coming up with 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.800 the dogs. They're catching you so right, or even if 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.560 it's a slave like being like, hey, didn't you kill 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.960 my friend? He right over there, He's like, no, if 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.880 you point your fingers gonna fall off, don't point it 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.719 a ship. Get back to work. It's just you're just 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.960 creating fear where fear wasn't, so you keep people in line. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.040 I think I think that's that's a respectable choice. I 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:15.680 guess as a slave owner. The one, the one is 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.720 The one thing I respect about slave owners is they 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.840 came up with silly games to keep their slaves in mind. Slavery. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.000 Not a fan, but if you're gonna be a slave owner, 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.680 you gotta do something silly. Tell him their fingers are 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.080 gonna fall off? Why not? All right, talk to me 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.680 a little bit about because I mentioned it in the preamble. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:39.360 But your parents are Jamaican, Yes, yes, do you think 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.600 do you think that this comes from that, because I've 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.720 never heard that before, Like, I don't think that's necessarily 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.520 an American conspiracy if you will. Yeah, I haven't heard 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.520 it anywhere else. And I looked up trying to find 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:59.360 some information about I couldn't find anything. So I don't 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:05.680 know which Marley came over this ship. I'll tell you 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.800 right now, it's that Nigga Ziggy. That Nigga Ziggy was 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.880 out of pocket when he came up with this ship. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.160 That's a classic Ziggy. You name somebody Ziggy, they're gonna 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.160 have some weird thoughts. You're gonna say something crazy. You 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.640 gotta keep up with his more talented brothers. He's gonna 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:24.680 say something wild. It's interesting because even in looking this up, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.560 obviously this and I think some of my listeners would 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.720 even want to argue about this ship somewhere on the internet. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:36.400 This falls probably closer to something that we qualify as superstition, 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.240 right that, Like it's a little more about like the 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:44.959 mythical than it is about like conspiratorial thing. But I 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.319 personally would argue, and I'd be curious to hear your 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.840 thoughts that I actually don't think there's that big of 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:55.040 a difference between conspiracy and superstition. It's something that you're 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:57.880 I don't know if it's necessarily proven, but you believe 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.640 in its real to you, So I definitely would put 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.200 it there. I think so. And then I think, you know, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.040 the reality is that conspiracies are just superstitionous that haven't 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.680 had enough time to cook. You know what I mean that, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.079 like you give this one a thousand years or even 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.959 like ship that that we think is like like right 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.480 now people are arguing whether or not five G is 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.760 sucking up our bodies, right, or whether or not five 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.880 G is some sort of poisonous thing in the universe, right, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.600 And we're gonna argue about that as like a conspiracy 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.120 or whatever. But you let that cook long enough, and 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.840 a thousand years from now, if we live that long, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.319 somebody's gonna be like, hey, man, don't put yourself on 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.079 below your waist, because if you put yourself on below 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:45.160 your waist, you'll curse your family blood for generations. And 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.920 that will know that that just means that, like, oh, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.160 cell phone waves were cooking your testicles, but they don't 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.240 know that they're they're making it superstitions When it was 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:59.760 conspiracy back when we were alive to it exactly. It's 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.360 so weird thing because, like my parents are very religious, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.920 so for this ghost thing to be part of their 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.040 their life is like a weird turn. I have believe 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.200 like ghosts and monsters, no goat, But if if you 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.160 mentioned like demons or the devil or anything, they're like 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.480 on board, Like yeah, ghost, forget that. I don't believe 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.400 any of that stuff. But have you ever seen any demon? 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.520 My mom told us that she she witnessed someone being 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.480 possessed in college. To this day, to this day, she 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.040 maintains that she's you gotta unpack that a little bit. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.559 Tell me what happened where she's she witnessed the possession, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:49.000 then went to a trigg she just witnessed an exorcism, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.160 and then went off to the quad to her friends. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:57.520 You got pe soup on my notebook. It was it 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.280 was this is in in Jamaica, and there was a 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.200 girl who lived in her dorm who was into like 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.120 weigi and spiritism and stuff. And she had a friend 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.720 who was also into it, and so they were in 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.160 like chapel and the and the preacher was talking. It 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.280 was a religious school. So the preachers talking about you 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.599 know Jesus, and and as you do. And I don't know, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.120 I felt the name he was talking about Jesus is weird. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.480 And the preacher was being a while that day. He 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.240 was talking about like Ravioli and trap music. I don't know, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:35.000 but anyway, it was church. So he's talking about Jesus. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.319 And then the woman ran out and then people that 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.000 sorry said something through her to the floor, and so 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.720 they picked her up and her friend ran out. After 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.959 they picked them up, brought them back to the dorm 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.040 and for a long time they were like praying and 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.600 trying to get Jesus out of that. My mom said that, um, there, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.400 in the name of Jesus, I tell I tell you 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.520 to get out. And the woman who was trying to 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.800 invoke Jesus to get rid of the demon, like every 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.400 time she would go to say the name of Jesus, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:03.520 her tongue would curl up and prevented saying it. And 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.520 then the luijiboard girl said in a voice that they 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:17.240 had never heard before, who is this Jesus? So it 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.400 turns out she was just possessed by gay black man 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.440 and that's pretty cool. Titus Burgess came down to Jamaica, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:32.320 for weeks was possessing. Yeah, that's why. So she heard 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.559 this voice, that's what she says. And what did she 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.360 do after that? Did she run away? Was she? Did 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.640 she stay and watched the whole thing? Like? What was 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.959 her response? She watched the whole thing. And then they 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.440 ended up sending the girl to the hospital. And then 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.640 this was during like final exams time, so they canceled 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.480 exams the next day because nobody in the door and 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.880 really got any sleep because there was an exorcism going on. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.960 Oh and I would have paid somebody to pretend to 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:08.160 be possessed during the middle of my finals. Sweet part 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.880 of me thinks, like, was it is that? What the 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.840 whole thing was? Like a study for the exam? You 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:23.240 know what, they can't make you take a test if 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.760 you feel with demons, I'm gonna pretend. I just pretend. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.760 That's that's fucking nuts, And that's it's such a weird 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.080 to your point, that's such a weird thing for your 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.840 parents to be like anti the possibility of ghosts or 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.200 goblins or whatever it is, but fully committed to the 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.600 ghosts and goblins of religious text that like, it's in 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.440 essence the exact same thing it's just connected to a 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.559 book that they read versus the ones that they didn't. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:58.160 It's it's almost like people fully believing in the Marvel 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.920 universe but being like Batman gets a funk out of here. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.280 That ain't that ain't scripture. That ain't a part of 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.160 what I. I subscribe to him and I ironed me 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.720 and let's talk about that. But that means you in 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:17.880 the Book of Tony Stark three verse Jarvis. Okay, so 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.840 your parents tell you this. You said they didn't tell 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.960 you until you got older? Yeah, at what point or 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.920 was there a point where did you believe it? Were 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.960 you at all? Like? Oh, maybe I gotta be careful 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.760 about that. You know, the context of it was like 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.200 we were talking about things that we believed as kids, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.280 and they came up in that context. So it's like, yeah, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.200 this is a stupid thing. Oh so they were acknowledging 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.840 it's a stupid right, Okay, So that makes it a 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.440 little easier. It's not like you're having a reason with 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.720 your parents being like, you know, if you pointed a cemetary, 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.280 you gotta bite your fingers otherwise bad boy's gonna fall off, right. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.040 It's like, why would you even tell me that. Just 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.920 say that from when I point at the cemetery, don't 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.640 it's like it's a snake bite, like we gotta come in, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.360 but it's like all the glue back in. It doesn't 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.360 make sense. I don't know exactly what's happening with the fingers. Okay, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.800 So so they tell you this as something that they 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.800 once believed. Did your parents grow up near each other. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.720 Did they know each other at a young age? No? 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.920 I think around maybe college age is when they met. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.560 So it's something that they heard independently of each other. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.720 They lived kind of in the same area in Kingston, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.800 but I don't think they knew each other growing up. Sure, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.920 so it was enough they believed it enough that they 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.720 they're stuck in their memories independently. And then they both 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:54.160 were like, hey, by the way, you buy your fingers fingers, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.200 and that's how they met. Let's build a family together. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.880 We can make a little comedian musician baby together. Let's 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.680 do that. They put the rings on each other's fingers 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:10.240 with their mouths and bit the finger on the way. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.360 I like the idea that your father put the ring 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.000 off first, and then your mom was like, you know 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.080 what to do and then you had to bite that 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:25.680 finger and it wasn't this actual thing, It was merely protection. Yeah, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.880 for the possibility that your fingers fall off. I want 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.160 this ring to stay on for a long time. How much? 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.560 Let me ask you this, because if you grew up 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.840 in a pretty religious household, how much of that do 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.840 you follow today? Are you a religious person? Do you 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:46.120 believe in any of it? What stuck? If anything, I 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.960 think there's a like in times of like stress and fear, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.600 it will come back, just like as a reflex. Sure. No, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.800 it's like I can't find my keyth Lord if you 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:03.880 see them anywhere. Lord, please let this airplane stay all 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.760 the way up in the air and not do some 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.120 weird ship. Yeah. There was one Halloween where I went 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.880 to UM. I was coming back from Vancouver and I'm 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.639 on the plane and I'm I'm a nervous flyer. I 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:19.000 do not like it. And I looked and there was 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.240 a nun on the plane. I was like, okay, cool, 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.359 she's here. She's like she's a liaison. Were good, And 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:31.080 I remember it's Halloween, Like this lady could clear. So 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.040 I'm just sitting there like quiet, like Lord, if that's 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.480 if she's with you cool. If she's not and you're 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.520 mad at her, just let my part of the plane 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.760 land somewhere, right, because that could have easily just been 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.359 a sinner. That could have been just a lady dressed 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.399 as a nun, which is blasphemous, which gives God every 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.360 reason to to flick your little airplane out of the sky, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.880 has punishment for the what this bitch is doing. Exactly, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.560 I didn't see the bottom have it could have been 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:06.080 all actually none, nobody just cross covered panties and you're like, oh, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.960 thank God that this lady is here. I feel safe. Meanwhile, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.960 you're going to hell. You're about to die. It's all. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:19.040 It makes me so frustrated, even watching the way that 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.520 people behave on airplanes now, not even relation to just 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.560 religion necessarily, although I do think that for me, it's 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.959 like I believe that something's up there. I don't know 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.000 what to call it or how if the books that 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.080 we wrote have anything to do with it, but there's 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.760 certainly I don't think that we just came up with 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.960 us on our own. That said, they're like so many 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.920 people refuse to follow basic airplane rules, and it feels 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:51.080 like you like we're already spitting in God's face by 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.000 flying up here. And you know what I mean, Like 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.960 we're already breaking the rules. You don't, Yeah, close your 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:02.440 fucking laptop, you idiot, Like you don't don't do the 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.480 extra ship that even humans are Like, I I don't know, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.040 this might be too far. We probably shouldn't do this one. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.760 That's fucking crazy. How do you know better than the 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.280 people who are running the plane? Right? And I don't. 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.080 And to that point, I don't think that they know anything. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.720 So if they're telling me, okay, if they start off 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.800 literally by being like, hey, y'all, here's what scares us, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.200 that's maybe that's how they need to rephrase the whole 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.800 like airplane breakdown. Right, with all of our knowledge and 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.840 study and training, this is the thing that we're not 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:41.199 sure about. Yeah, would rattles my bones. That's when you 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.120 leave your cell phone on by the time we take off. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.120 I don't know why, what's gonna happen? Maybe nothing, but 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.679 boy do I get nervous And I'd be like, all right, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.280 I'm gonna turn my cell phone off. I would. I 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.800 would be more comfortable with a with a pilot who's like, hey, 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.639 I've been off the past couple of days just beat like, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.480 let me know it, this is we're gonna be hitting 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:08.440 some terms. But hey, hey, whoa, who wasn't that crazy? Whoa? 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.200 That ship was all right? All right, we gotta take 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.240 a chill for us, like old on, I'm gonna land 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.520 this bad boy and just re resettle myself because that 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:25.760 was crazy. Comes on you just here, whoa, I ain't 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.199 even gonna lie. We got some ship coming up on 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.200 the radar that y'all ain't gonna funk with. And I 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.720 don't funk with it either. Anyway. Enjoy the peanuts and 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:44.560 uh and cocoa on your screens. We're only playing cocoa. Okay. 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.240 Last question, So you're not a particularly religious person, you're 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:54.119 not necessarily buying into their version of spirituality, at least 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.560 as in terms of the fingers falling off? Are there 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.760 any parts of things that they've said, like this that 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.560 you were like, Oh, I can get with that. I 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.280 see where that comes from, and I actually agree with that. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.480 I don't know if it's agreeing, but the whole demon thing, 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.399 like even though I don't know if I believe it's 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.720 it's just like the cell phone on the airplane. It's 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.119 like you know what. I don't know if they are 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.240 demons in here, but let me just say Jesus a 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.520 few times, just in case, so they know. I know. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.959 It's like cocking cocking a shotgun. I like that. You 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.720 think Jesus is like beetlejuice, and if you say his 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.080 name or a certain number of times, he's just gonna 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.760 pop up and do cool shit. I think Jesus. I 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.440 think Jesus is busier, right, I just see that as 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.440 this page or number. I wanted to know that, Like, ay, 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.440 I called you, you could call me back, come back ready, 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.480 No rush, I get it. You're a busy dude. You 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.280 got holes in your feet, in your hands. But whenever 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.400 you're ready, just it's called me back. It's me Nick. 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:05.360 By the way, it's Nick, your part time servant. It's Nick, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:09.080 the guy who only kind of believes in you. You know, 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:14.760 when it's convenient for me. Do you remember? All right, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:16.640 we're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:30.399 Nick Chambers and more, my mama told me. And we 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:46.400 are back. Yeah, we're back here with more Nick Chambers more. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.080 My mama told me. We're still talking about that. The 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:53.399 possibility of your fingers falling off sort of uh Dory 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.080 and Gray style. I guess if you point at a 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:00.119 cemetery just turned to ash because you didn't nip on 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.000 him right after you point. What do you think parents 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.080 were trying to get you from from doing with the 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.000 don't point at a cemetery because that's what a lot 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.400 of these old wives sales are cooked in, is like 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.280 allegories and lessons for being a better person. What's the 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.679 fear for a young person pointing at a cemetery. I 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.080 have no idea. I don't know. I don't know if 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.560 it's like like respecting the dead or uh, just pointing 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.760 in general, which is a long way to go to 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:35.280 just to get kids to not point. Yeah, i'd say 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.200 so you could have just said take your hat off 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.639 when we when we're around the grave. But as they 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:48.040 you're like view point before to god. Right. Somebody said 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.960 it was like if the if you point at a cemetery, 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.880 then the dead can see you and then they'll come 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:58.919 and get you with some like that. I don't know. Yeah, okay, 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.439 I could see that, like you're building it's like pointing 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:08.480 out a regular person almost where it's like you're opening communication. Yeah, yeah, now, 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.920 you're being rude, so now I gotta retaliate. And the dead, 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.439 I guess apparently are petty as ship and they're like 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.720 that motherfucker pointed at me. You cursed, bitch, you cursed. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.160 All right, let's unpack some of this research. And we 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:27.120 we talked a little bit about the way that superstition 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.199 feels like it's it's sort of leading the way in 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:32.600 this one. And I wanted to do a little research 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:37.560 on like superstition as a as a belief system. How 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:42.000 many people actually believe in superstitions in general, And apparently 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:47.760 twenty five percent of Americans identify themselves as superstitious in 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.840 some way, shape or form. They say that, yes, I 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:56.800 would consider myself a superstitious person. That sounds about right. Okay, 0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:59.000 hell yeah, it was over your life, you would say. 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.639 One and four people are like, ay, don't split that pole, 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.960 don't right. It's things like that or like with sports 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.479 kind of things, for sure, I think right, And and 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:13.359 to that point, it's so cooked into even like the 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:17.280 way that our systems work, right, superstition is kind of 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:22.280