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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three thirty five,

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Speaker 1: episode two of Days Day Air production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep gut in

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Speaker 1: New America share con and it's also an ASMR podcast.

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Speaker 2: Officially. Okay, all right, ying Yang in this Tuesday, April

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Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty twenty four. Hey, a lot of things

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Speaker 2: going on to school bus driver Appreciation Day. Yes, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being sober or at least my eyes sober

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Speaker 2: as you drove for example, functionally sober. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: giving me something to aspire to. National Lost Dog Awareness Day.

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Speaker 2: All that's said, National Cherry Cheesecake Day, National Take a

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Speaker 2: Chance Day, National Picnic Day, and national talk like Shakespeare

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Speaker 2: my Lord Day. That's all I could do. I don't

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Speaker 2: I can't speak an Iambic pantameter.

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Speaker 1: But I can't say my Lord like the vegas of accents,

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Speaker 1: talk like Shakespeare will He was doing a hand curl

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Speaker 1: the front of his hat. So we're just on the

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Speaker 1: end of No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: Shake Spirit Day, Spirit Days Miles. Speaking of days, I

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Speaker 1: would be remiss not to mention that we skipped right

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Speaker 1: over because it was a weekend. We didn't record because

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Speaker 1: we're lazy that we skipped over four twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bro, I know, Bro, Yeah, it's talk about it's

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Speaker 2: about June ninth, Bro, sixty nine. You know we're we've

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Speaker 2: moved over from four.

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Speaker 1: Twenty, so we moved on from four to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Fuck it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, and I've said this on the show more and

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Speaker 2: more like it's it's diminishing returns after you hit the

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Speaker 2: heights of eighteen years old on four twenty, Like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it'll never matter as much as it does when it's.

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Speaker 1: It's like what New Year's is to alcoholics, that is,

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Speaker 1: to people.

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Speaker 2: Who smoke weed. Yeah, it's like it doesn't matter. I'm

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Speaker 2: drinking it every day. Any Yeah, well okay, yeah, amateur Hour.

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Speaker 2: I am a functioning alcoholic. I drink where I get

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Speaker 2: to work, to school. Yes, my name's Jack O'Brien. AKA.

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Speaker 1: I saw the news today. Oh boy, I had it

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Speaker 1: printed from the internet. Can't bring my phone into a trial.

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Speaker 1: Go get me a big mac and then I'll take

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Speaker 1: a nap. We're alternately, go get me a big mac

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Speaker 1: and now we know how many diet coach it takes

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Speaker 1: the heart to stop that AKA. Courtesy of Shawny Pawne

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Speaker 1: on the discord the alternate version the four thousand Holes

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Speaker 1: in Blackburn, Lancashire verse from Steaming Chuck on the discord

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Speaker 1: on a bit of a roll, Steaming Chuck on a

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Speaker 1: bit of a roll. We shouts out to you both

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Speaker 1: and for z Gang in general. Someone was telling me

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Speaker 1: how like British soccer anthems, like British soccer crowds like

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Speaker 1: get together and do like loose, weird allification of songs

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Speaker 1: to like represent their players. Oh yeah, And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we do that on our podcast. Yeah, our dumb podcast.

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Speaker 1: Our brilliant listeners make less dumb by doing that for us.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, these are this is just terrorist culture. It's

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Speaker 2: terrorist culture from the UK. That's what we're thinking. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's all yeah, that's right, Ultras. Yeah, because for Arsenal

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Speaker 2: there is our our most famous manager, Arsen Wenger. We

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Speaker 2: did it to the tune of one time of meta Benga.

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Speaker 1: There's only one awesome Benga.

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Speaker 2: There's be and it's like easy because it's I think

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Speaker 2: that's everybody knows that. That's why that's why I gravitated

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Speaker 2: more towards European soccer, because like, I'm like, bro, they're

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Speaker 2: doing more ship than like defense. They're like talking about

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Speaker 2: the like who's the wanka and the green because the

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Speaker 2: referees wear green shirts, and it's just like, you know, anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's all, it's all fun, It's all anyway.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to the gang. Yeah, I'm throw to be

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Ground Miles.

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Speaker 2: Break, Freckle Freak, freakl freak, I lovesw Okay. Shout out

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Speaker 2: Cleo Universe because Yeah, I told you I'm a bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a I stand for the freckle,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I'm not ashamed. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you for putting that into a Rick rick jamification.

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Speaker 1: Of that Rick jammification. I had fried pickles over the

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Speaker 1: weekend at a foot team match at l A f C.

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Speaker 1: And they were bad.

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Speaker 2: They're not good.

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Speaker 1: They promised cheeto, what's the spicy cheeto?

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Speaker 2: Flaming hot, flaming hot.

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Speaker 1: They promised flaming hot Cheetoh, and they were flaming hot

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Speaker 1: Cheeto in color only, Yeah flavors.

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Speaker 2: Look, we'll do a Frickle tour eventually. You know the

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Speaker 2: places I trust. Yeah, the Frickle Tour. All right, Miles,

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Speaker 2: we are thrilled to be joined by one of the

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Speaker 2: hosts of the incredible podcast five four, a show about

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Speaker 2: all the ways the Supreme Court is a complete disaster.

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Speaker 2: It's also a supervising attorney at Texas Law has worked

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Speaker 2: the public defender in Rio Grande City, Texas. Please welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, Rihann and home on.

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Speaker 3: Hello do I sing? Am I gonna do like a

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Speaker 3: little jingle for myself?

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Speaker 1: One?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here, you're great, hot girl, summer coming up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right predicted here here here. My shoulders started moving

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah. I was like, shit, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: feeling that. One. What's your what's your the thing I

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Speaker 2: always ask people and they're like, should I sing it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What's your karaoke go to?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I do have?

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Speaker 3: The go to karaoke is always TLC no scrubs. Shit,

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Speaker 3: you start there right like you can. The sky's the

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Speaker 3: limit after that. Yeah, but once you get going on that,

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Speaker 3: the vibes are going on that, your power is sort

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Speaker 3: of centered in a no scrubs direction. Yeah, karaoke is boundless, and.

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Speaker 1: That's brave because karaoke bars are usually full of so

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Speaker 1: many scrubs. I can't imagine that's very popular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they're like.

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Speaker 1: They start booing and hissing, she's.

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Speaker 2: Talking about me. But I just think I do think

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Speaker 2: I'm fine and people. I'm also known to be a buster. No, no, no, sometimes.

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Speaker 3: I hang out the passenger's side of my best friend ride.

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Speaker 1: I did get fully hanging out the passenger side of

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Speaker 1: get in the car and I'm hanging out the whole time.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend who and then when the first

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Speaker 2: It's also known as a bus stop. I was like,

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Speaker 2: you need to hang out around different people.

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Speaker 1: That's like a that sounds like a Joe Biden slang,

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Speaker 1: like yell the bust up.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the scrubs.

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Speaker 1: He's also known as a bus stop.

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Speaker 3: Corn Pop was always hanging around the bus stop.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: He was a cannibal and I'm serious man, I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: No, we know you think you're serious.

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Speaker 3: Rather, no, you're not a serious person in your brain.

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Speaker 3: You're serious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that was what I mean. Is

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Speaker 2: I mean what I'm saying, you know, we.

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Speaker 1: Know we want to do though we wish you didn't,

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Speaker 2: Because your ice cream is melting all over your suit, sir,

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Speaker 2: it's just really unemly. Forget about his ice cream too, imagine.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that would do a lot of damage

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Speaker 2: to his campaigns, just sloppy, melted ice cream all over

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Speaker 3: That's how they They need that damage on top of

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Speaker 3: like genocide or yeah, oh okay, okay, okay, the ice

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Speaker 2: Do yeah, maybe he'll do that to distract from his

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Speaker 2: But secretly I'm really mad at BB really secretly, not.

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Speaker 3: Out Yeah, yeah, no, of course.

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Speaker 1: All right, Rhann, And we're gonna get to know you

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Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. We're first we're

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Speaker 1: gonna tell our listeners what we're talking about five four

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Speaker 1: Just what one of my new favorite podcasts I want.

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Speaker 1: I want Deep on the Federal List Society with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about just the Federalist Society.

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Speaker 1: I was aware of them, but I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 1: So I do want to go into the Federalist Society,

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Speaker 1: and then we're going to talk about some just like

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Speaker 1: what the Supreme Court that brought this Supreme Court brought

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Speaker 1: to you by the Federalist Society is up to this.

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Speaker 2: Week and just in general.

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Speaker 1: But first we do like to get to know our

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Speaker 1: guests a little bit better by asking you, what is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know, listen a lot of these personal questions

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Speaker 3: about like what's on your mind right now, what do

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Speaker 3: you think's underrated? That kind of thing. It's tough. I

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Speaker 3: am Palestinian. There is a genocide happening, so like my internet,

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Speaker 3: my like media intake, all of that is real focused

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Speaker 3: on all of that. But something that I did see

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Speaker 3: in my Google search that is really relevant and maybe

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Speaker 3: not directly genocide related, Adida's traits. Okay, ready, I'm ready

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Speaker 3: to be suited up in the three stripes, down the arms,

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Speaker 3: Kind of thing. Yeah, you know, I just it's it's uh,

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Speaker 3: it might not be every hot girl summer vibe, but

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Speaker 2: Wait, what brought you? What brought you around on? Like

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Speaker 2: the breakdancers uniform, like the real og hip hop outfit.

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Speaker 3: You know, it is also a kind of Palestinian uncle

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Speaker 3: vibe is Adida's tracksuit, right, that kind of thing. And

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Speaker 3: so yeah, just uh, going back to my roots, I

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Speaker 2: We all become our uncles at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: I played.

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Speaker 3: I played soccer too. I played soccer really seriously for

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Speaker 3: my youth, and so yeah, that was the brand, you know, yeaheah.

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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I started putting my seven year old in a just

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Speaker 1: black Adidas tracksuit like the one you're describing, and it

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Speaker 1: like the way that it transforms his energy. It's all

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Speaker 1: stolen valor. He doesn't he doesn't play.

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Speaker 2: Soccer, boy, right, where'd you come up at?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't play soccer, doesn't break dance yet, but

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Speaker 1: it's really like the that is a powerful, powerful article.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've always been a coward. I've only

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Speaker 2: gone pant or jacket, like I've never actually bought a

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Speaker 2: full blown like one of my favorite I remember eighth grade,

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Speaker 2: I wore the fuck out of these gray Adidas three

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Speaker 2: stripe pants that I had, like to the point they

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Speaker 2: were just gnarly. But then I remember I didn't have

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Speaker 2: money for the matching jacket. So then later on when

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Speaker 2: I was like, dude, am I a full track suit? Guy?

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Speaker 2: I then I fell back because I knew a lot

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Speaker 2: of breakers, and I was like, they're gonna just flame

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Speaker 2: me because I'm not a breaker. Yeah, and now now

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Speaker 2: you know what I need to embrace. I need to

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Speaker 2: embrace the energy that is the old head three three

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Speaker 2: stripe suit. But I feel like it's coming back anyway.

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Speaker 2: Like it's just because everything's so cyclical, like it's it's.

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Speaker 3: All right, and everybody's wearing sambas. The sneakers, Yeah those

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Speaker 1: I now know that fed sock means the Federalist Society. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're back, and and I highly recommend everybody, upon completing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're doing it to an extent, an extent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the case. Three ZHO three creative, really really

435
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: good example of how like the Federalist Society, the conservative

436
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: legal movement, and now six fucking maniacs on the Supreme

437
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 3: Court are are dealing with their issues that they you know,

438
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: it's like we call it results. It's oriented, like they

439
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: know the result that they want out of a case

440
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: and they'll get there no matter what.

441
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Speaker 2: Yeah, brains, yeah exactly.

442
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I thought they I thought they called balls strikes.

443
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: That's what. Wait what Yeah they call ball strikes. Yeah,

444
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: that's right.

445
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: They call it a strike.

446
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a strike.

447
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: The only aspect of the story that made me hopeful

448
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: was like how successful they they've been, Like the the

449
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: history of the Federalist Society shows how quickly things can change.

450
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: Now granted, like things have changed for the worst, like

451
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: in huge way, like just compared to the seventies when

452
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: this takeover kind of first started, Like guns were not

453
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: mentioned in the Republican Party's like platform until like seventy six.

454
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: Prior to that, everyone was kind of like, yeah, no,

455
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment is about militia's like it like it

456
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: says in Constitution, which we're supposed to be like into

457
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: I guess as a party. And like there's a quote

458
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: from a conservative justice who calls, like the Second Amendment

459
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: thing that we're all familiar with and like I came

460
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: up assuming was like a permanent part of the Republican Party.

461
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: There's like a conservative justice who's like calls it the

462
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: greatest fraud they've ever heard. Like if they can so

463
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, it just if they can shift

464
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: things that far that quickly, like maybe we can shift

465
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Speaker 1: them back to where they were like in the seventies,

466
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Speaker 1: like in some of these cases where it's just gotten

467
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: so much worse because of them. But I don't know that.

468
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: That was like the thing that I found one of

469
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Speaker 1: the most startling things I found about it was just

470
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Speaker 1: how much they have changed and how quickly it's happened.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it shows the power the federal of society's success,

472
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: the success of the conservative legal movement more broadly, Like

473
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Speaker 3: it shows the power of like building a movement, like organizing,

474
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: like taking courts seriously, right, Like it's not it wasn't

475
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: like magic that did it. It was that, like people

476
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: coalesced around their common interest in opposing the New Deal,

477
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement, and movements

478
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: to expand democracy. We can say, right, they didn't like that,

479
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: and so they started to organize against it. They made

480
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: connections with politicians all of that stuff, and over like

481
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: I said, over the past fifty years, like they are now,

482
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: you know, kind of living in the world that they built,

483
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: like living with their successes. And unfortunately they're still full

484
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: steam ahead because they're an incredibly powerful movement now. But

485
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Speaker 3: I think you're exactly right, Jack, Like people will, especially

486
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: law students, will ask us when we like go to

487
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: law schools and talk about this stuff. Law students will

488
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: ask us like they're like hopeless, They're like despondent, right,

489
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: They're like, what, like this world is unacceptable? How on

490
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: earth do you like fight back against the federalist society?

491
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: And I think that's because like a lot of young

492
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: people like you, just you have come up into your

493
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: adulthood in like a Trump presidency, like everything awful, like

494
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: institutions just completely illegitimate on their face, corrupt, and you're

495
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: just like, how do you fix this?

496
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: Right?

497
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: But taking a step back, it's exactly like you said, Jack,

498
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: like politics can actually move quite quickly, and it just

499
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: means that, like movements need to be built, we also

500
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: can organize ourselves against what they're doing, right, And there

501
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 3: are lots of different methods that actually, like it's not

502
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: about like building a response twin organization of the Federalist

503
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: Society to oppose the Federalist Society, right, it's about like recognizing,

504
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: like you know, if you're interested in social justice, if

505
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: you're a movement lawyer, all of these people, like we

506
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: have power that is very very different from a billionaire

507
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: funded my case to go to the Supreme Court, right,

508
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: and we should be using it, right, And those things

509
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: can happen very quickly in politics. Historically they've happened very quickly.

510
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: So this is not like, you know, the end is

511
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: not written, Like the federal society as it is today

512
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: is not the world that we live in forever now,

513
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 3: like we can do something about it.

514
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like things EBB and flown right now, I think

515
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: if you're younger, then you've been caught up like you've

516
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: only known peak federalist society power exactly. I don't know

517
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: how the fuck does this change, but like anything, yeah,

518
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: things opinions change, and movements begin to form. And yeah,

519
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: I think this is I mean, I think because of

520
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: the like depravity of the Supreme Court, it's it's doing

521
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: the thing of like naturally beginning to radicalize people or

522
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: at least bring people into a level of consciousness about Okay,

523
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: so wait what how Okay? And they are able to

524
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: get there why because their corporations are now treated as

525
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: people and can also spend unlimited sums of money that

526
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: is actually affecting the legislative products. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

527
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: And I think yeah, to that end, I feel like

528
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: we're just I mean, we talk about this all the

529
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: time when we look at younger people, and like when

530
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: I was in college, I was like I was engaged,

531
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: but not to the degree that I even see people

532
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: that are in high school are now because the stakes

533
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: are just completely different for them. So there is like

534
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: this double edged sword thing here where with the fuckery

535
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: comes increased knowledge. But yeah, it's it's it's definitely a

536
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: difficult time could be existing.

537
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And I think it's about like seeing where

538
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: where power is right now and how we can transfer

539
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: power right so right now, it's like not about like

540
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: building the most powerful liberal legal organization to counter the

541
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: federalist society. It's actually about saying, like, the federalist society

542
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: has too much fucking power in our politics and in

543
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: our law making and in you know, in the judiciary

544
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has too much fucking power. And so

545
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: you know, things like structural reforms, movement building that shift

546
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: power to the people, should who should have it, workers, consumers,

547
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: the people, right, democratic structures of government. That's where that's

548
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: where our focus should be.

549
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about that too, right, Like you know,

550
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: I guess I was. We will talk about like what

551
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: we could do later on, but it's come up pretty

552
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: naturally now. Is like, you know, most people look at

553
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: it and go, what can we do? Like if it

554
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: like like all these people are screaming and shouting that

555
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: they don't want X, Y or Z, but they just

556
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: don't care, And I get that, Like, you know, one

557
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: version is to build up the people power to do

558
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: something like that. And then the other version too, is

559
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: like if we want things like term limits or like

560
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: if we want to pack the courts, we need legislators

561
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: to do that, and that means like we have to

562
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: count on them, because based on what I've seen, our

563
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: legislators move at a pace that could be described as

564
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: heroin snail And so that does make me a little

565
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: bit weird. But how you look at that, because I

566
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: think that is one of the ways too, Like we

567
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: do need legislation that actually arises like that intersects with

568
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: the justices out of place that they know they're like, oh, okay,

569
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: these are new rules now. Yeah, but how like how

570
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: do you sort of look at that and what do

571
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: you see as being like more effective versus the other

572
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: or if we should just be like no, no, no, like

573
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: for patient maybe this will work.

574
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, it's not about patients. It's about like

575
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: like doing some real shit, right and doing some real

576
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: shit kind of like across the board, across all of

577
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: We should be using all of the tools that we

578
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: have for this. So when like I said, we should

579
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: be decreasing the power of the Supreme Court, how do

580
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: you do that? There are lots of ways. Some of

581
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: the things that you've just described are really good ways

582
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: that like we should be pursuing. So packing the court,

583
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: making the court bigger, making the number of justices bigger

584
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: on the Supreme Court decreases the power that each individual

585
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: justice has, right, it spreads power over a bigger body,

586
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: meaning Sam Alito, the fuck face, Brett Cavanaugh, the psycho,

587
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas don't have that like that the power that's

588
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 3: currently consolidated in them right now. Packing the court is

589
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: a really really is a really great way to decrease

590
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: that power. And that's kind of like what you're talking

591
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: about with this kind of like short term, long term thing, right,

592
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: we should be using like the short term avenues that

593
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: are available to us in building a long term where

594
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, the federal society, corporations have less power

595
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: over all of us, right, term limits, that's a really

596
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: good idea. I think there are tons of ideas for

597
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: structural reform of the Supreme Court, and we should be

598
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: like talking about all of them. That's when it comes

599
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: to the politicians, right, it's a failure of the Democratic

600
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: Party that the Republicans and the federalist society, the conservative

601
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: legal movement has taken the court so seriously for decades now,

602
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: and they've won what they've won, and they are like

603
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: rolling around in the pig sty shit that they've created

604
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: and then love it. They're partying, right, and Democrats still

605
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: are not taking the Supreme Court seriously, still not saying, hey,

606
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: we need to reform this, Hey we need to we

607
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 3: need to be doing our politics around this too.

608
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah right, what like what's the fear of the Democrats

609
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: to legislate the courts? Like what you know? I mean,

610
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: because I get part of it too. Is like, at

611
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: the same time, both parties still serve corporate interest to

612
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: a certain extent, so like obviously they're like, hey, you know,

613
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: like maybe go that. Maybe they's just the will of

614
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: the donors, aren't there or what, or is just historically

615
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: that there's just this like aversion to it. But that's

616
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: the one thing all I see is like things happen

617
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: and then you'll see people like Chuck Schumer or Nancy

618
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: Polsy're like, you know what, we got to do something

619
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: about the Supreme Court, just not now, and I don't

620
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: know when, but I'm gonna say that out loud because

621
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 2: that's what we do as a party. I mean.

622
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Speaker 1: I also, thing I always hear them say is that

623
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Speaker 1: if they packed the if Democrats pack the court when

624
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: they're in office, won't the Republicans just pack the court

625
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: back at them? And if so, it like who does

626
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: that benefit overall?

627
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, yeah, okay, So I have two thoughts

628
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: about this. One is like the historical thing in history,

629
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: pressure on the Supreme Court by the other branches of

630
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: government works. So most famously, probably the most famous example

631
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: is FDR in the nineteen thirties, early nineteen forties, and

632
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: with Congress is passing all of this New Deal legislation, right,

633
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: getting people jobs, right as a communist, getting people jobs,

634
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: getting people to work, outlying child labor, you know, more

635
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: rights for workers, supporting unions, all of that kind of stuff.

636
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: And the Supreme Court at that time was conservative and

637
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: was striking down all of that legislation left and right.

638
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: What did FDR do. FDR threatened to pack the court.

639
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm about to add justices if you

640
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: guys don't get in line. And what did the Supreme

641
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Court do? They got in line. They started, they stopped

642
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: striking down that legislation so that New Deal legislation could

643
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: actually go into effect. So there are historical analogs here,

644
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: like we could be looking at that or historical analogs

645
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: for Democrats actually using the fucking political power that they have, right,

646
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: And so there's that. And then the other thing that

647
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 3: I was going to say to your point Jack about

648
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: like this counter argument that Democrats will be like, well,

649
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Speaker 3: Republicans will pack the court if we pack the court,

650
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Speaker 3: and then it will be all Republicans. The thing that is, like,

651
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: the thing that people don't stop and realize is that

652
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: Republicans have packed the court. We live in a reality

653
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Speaker 3: that is a Republican packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary.

654
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Speaker 3: When Trump was in office, he nominated twenty five percent

655
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Speaker 3: of the current federal bench. All federal district court judges

656
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: were nominated by Donald Trump. That's because that Republican president

657
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: took the judiciary seriously and was like, oh, we have

658
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: all these spots to fill, let's go, right. So we

659
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Speaker 3: live in the world that is already a Republican packed court,

660
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: a Republican packedjudiciary, and so Democrats should be taking that

661
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: seriously as as sort of a method again one of

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00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: the tools that they have, and because the result would

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Speaker 3: be that when Republicans pack the courts, the results are

664
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Speaker 3: power is consolidated in the wealthy in corporations, et cetera.

665
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Speaker 3: If Democrats would pack the courts, the results would be

666
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Speaker 3: people have more power, workers have more power, women have

667
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: more power, minorities have more power. That's very hard to

668
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: take away once it's given. Right, So the threat, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know a generation to generations from now that

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Speaker 3: then Republicans would come back and pack the court. And

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Speaker 3: if Democrats packed the court first, that is so remote, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's actually do something with the power that we have

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Speaker 3: to give power to more people, and that is doing politics,

674
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Speaker 3: that is doing good governance, right, And yeah, I'm not

675
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: worried about Republicans packing the court in fifty years. I'm

676
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: worried about the Republican packed court right now.

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Speaker 2: Right because it's there. It's like it's more the Democrats

678
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: are unpacking than packing.

679
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: You're just letting it being packed.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The last thing that I just wanted to cover on

682
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Speaker 1: the federal society is there's been this narrative of, well,

683
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Speaker 1: the Conservatives now that they overturned Row, are kind of

684
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Speaker 1: like the dog that caught the car, and it's kind

685
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: of this hopeful thing of like, yeah, but that that

686
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Speaker 1: was all they cared about right, and now they accomplished

687
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Speaker 1: that it's unpopular. They're kind of fucked what what are

688
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: they going to do? And I think you specifically framed

689
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Speaker 1: it as like the Federal Society is a service provider

690
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Speaker 1: to the Republican Party, like they will move in accordance

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Speaker 1: with whatever the Republican Party wants. Like the gun thing

692
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Speaker 1: didn't start with the Federalist Society. It started with like Reagan,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the Republican Party kind of adopted some

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Speaker 1: of the NRA and then the Federalist Society is like,

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Speaker 1: all right, well we are the judicial wing, as you said,

696
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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party, so we're just gonna get in line.

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Speaker 1: So they are going to be you know, as Trump

698
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: you know, continues to wheel power or you know, let's

699
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Speaker 1: say he wins the next election, they are going to

700
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Speaker 1: be a fascism machine like that. It's not going to

701
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Speaker 1: be a thing where they're like, all right, well this

702
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: is the bridge too far. I think like January sixth,

703
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Speaker 1: the fact that they wouldn't like ratify a separate set

704
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Speaker 1: of electors like the Supreme Court, I think made misled

705
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Speaker 1: me to be like, so the Supreme Court like ultimately

706
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Speaker 1: is not going to just go along with Trump's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: But like a lot of people in the Federalist Society

708
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Speaker 1: who like put those justices on the Supreme Court were

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00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: like guns blazing, like January sixth, like election overturning, like

710
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists like that. One of the founder was like, guys,

711
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Speaker 1: this is too much like Trump shouldn't be allowed to

712
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Speaker 1: run for president. And they were like, you can't call

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00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: yourself the founder anymore. The title, yeah, this quest title.

714
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Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm sorry, I like Donald Trump again.

715
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Speaker 1: Juary six was tight, but it's just like I do

716
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Speaker 1: think the near future is just as dangerous, and you know,

717
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Speaker 1: there there are a lot of really dark possibilities with

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Speaker 1: the Federalist Society just as much as like the recent past.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know, we said that the Federalist Society,

720
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Speaker 3: you know, provided the list for Trump for who he

721
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Speaker 3: was nominating to the Supreme Court. Those justices. In fact,

722
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Speaker 3: the six conservative justices on the Supreme Court right now

723
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Speaker 3: are currently members of the Federalist Society or have been

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Speaker 3: at points in their past. Just want to make it clear,

725
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: like this is this is a network that is like, uh,

726
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Speaker 3: this is a network that's promoting from within its own ranks.

727
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: These are their own people, right, and there's not a separation.

728
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Speaker 3: There's not a separate There is not a separation between

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Speaker 3: the Federalist Society and the people on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think January sixth is like a really interesting like

732
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Speaker 3: moment in history. I guess you could say for the

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Speaker 3: Federalist Society because I think that if we're kind of

734
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Speaker 3: calling the Federal Society like a party, a political party,

735
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Speaker 3: it's it's not officially, but if we think about it

736
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Speaker 3: like that, they learned lessons from January sixth, right, And

737
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Speaker 3: I think a really big lesson they learned was that

738
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Speaker 3: you know, they can, as they were in January sixth,

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Speaker 3: leading up to January sixth and afterwards, in all of

740
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Speaker 3: the litigation, whether it was Trump's fraud claims about votes,

741
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: whether it was about you know, states certifying their electors,

742
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Speaker 3: all of it, Federal Society lawyers had their hands on

743
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Speaker 3: all of that. We're directing all of that. There are

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00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: Federalist Society lawyers who were actually took part in planning

745
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: the January sixth stuff like specifically. But I think the

746
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Speaker 3: lesson learned was that the public at large probably was

747
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Speaker 3: left with a bit of distaste about the actual coup part, right,

748
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Speaker 3: the actual invasion of the capital part, right, whereas the

749
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Speaker 3: Federalist Society could have and I think now has learned

750
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Speaker 3: the lesson that it can still be behind the scenes

751
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Speaker 3: doing all of the legal machinations, all of the legal stuff,

752
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: the legal work that needs to be done to effectuate

753
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Speaker 3: the result that they want, which is Trump winning the

754
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: presidency next time. Right, And so yeah, I think they've

755
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Speaker 3: learned that lesson, and they know that the messy coup

756
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Speaker 3: literal riot part was maybe something that would like kind

757
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: of made it overall unsuccessful. But they know that they

758
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Speaker 3: have allies on the court up and down the federal judiciary.

759
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: The lawyers have been working on this stuff for years,

760
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 3: meaning like what kind of cases to bring their red

761
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: for the litigation, and yeah, they're the Federalist Society has

762
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: always been really good at at this exactly the behind

763
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Speaker 3: the scenes work where they're not saying like the Federalist

764
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Speaker 3: Society is bringing this case. The Federal Society isn't suing anybody.

765
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Speaker 3: It's people in this network.

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Speaker 2: Right.

767
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't give up. They've been they try and try,

768
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Speaker 1: and you know, they were trying to overturn Row for

769
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: decades and then they just kept trying different things until

770
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Speaker 1: they found a strategy packing the court with Federalist Society

771
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: people that actually worked exactly. So, yeah, this isn't going

772
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Speaker 1: to stop until an alternate force is put to work

773
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Speaker 1: that stops it in counterbalance that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, like a lot of legal analysts

775
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: or journalists media at the time that Dobbs came down,

776
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: which overturned Roe v. Wade, a lot of commentators were like, oh, well,

777
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Speaker 3: what's the Republican Party going to do?

778
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: Now?

779
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Speaker 3: What's the Federalist Society going to do? Now? Like they

780
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: they won, they got their like big achieved their big

781
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Speaker 3: project of overturning Row, and now it seems like they're

782
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Speaker 3: going to be like kind of disorganized and they don't

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Speaker 3: really know what they're working on now false false false

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Speaker 3: false false.

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Speaker 1: So right, it's like their was like check made assholes.

786
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, you just took it after I embryos yet,

787
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Speaker 1: right exactly, Like.

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Speaker 3: Right, So it's like, again, if we're thinking of them

789
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Speaker 3: as kind of like a political party, like now it's

790
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: more like a normal political party where there's different bowls

791
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: of interest, less focused on the one single issue that

792
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: they did coalesce around over you know, since since Roe v. Wade,

793
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: since the early seventies. But they have tons of energy,

794
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 3: tons of political will, and and again what they're working

795
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Speaker 3: on is even more fascist stuff coming down the pipeline.

796
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Speaker 3: And it's all centered not just their opposition to Roe v.

797
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: Wade and abortion rights. It's all centered on their opposition

798
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: to the New Deal, to the civil rights movement, to

799
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: the women's rights movement, and to expanding democracy. So the wildest,

800
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: most fascist shit you can think of, legally, they're working

801
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: on it right now. It's absolutely coming down the pipeline.

802
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: Whether that's like rolling back protections for women and queer people,

803
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Speaker 3: whether that is saying you don't have a right to contraception,

804
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: whether you know we're talking about like prisoner's rights, the

805
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: rights of criminal defendants, all kinds of stuff. They are

806
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: absolutely still working on it. They are not disorganized now

807
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Speaker 3: that they quote unquote one overturn at Robi ways.

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Speaker 2: I think the only part that I think they're like

809
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Speaker 2: conflating what the aims are of the federalist society and

810
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Speaker 2: like the broader conservative judicial movement with like the electoral

811
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Speaker 2: politics of people that are a down ballot of Trump

812
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Speaker 2: who are like, ooh, I don't know what to do now.

813
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, sure, in that narrow sense, yes, exactly,

814
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Speaker 2: it's difficult now to campaign. But in terms of like

815
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Speaker 2: a movement, like we're already saying, it's like they want

816
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Speaker 2: to basically, they really want to go back to the

817
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Speaker 2: nineteenth century at best, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's the Federal Society being that service provider.

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Speaker 3: So you best believe they are hooking up with Republican

820
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Speaker 3: and conservative politicians and being like, here's what you can

821
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Speaker 3: campaign on. We're working on this. This is what donors

822
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Speaker 3: care about right now, right yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall from the podcast You're Wrong About talks about

825
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Speaker 1: how the right wing takeover of media and of politics

826
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Speaker 1: over the past like fifty years has been very similar

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Speaker 1: to like the panics that the right wing was having

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Speaker 1: about like communism, like the Red Scare, and like Satanism

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Speaker 1: and stuff like it's been this you know, smaller like

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Speaker 1: minority group that has imposed its ideals through. Yeah, just

831
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Speaker 1: like behind the scenes infiltration and all the shit that

832
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Speaker 1: they were worried about.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like their.

834
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Speaker 1: Concerns around the Satanic panic and like the red scare.

835
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Speaker 1: We're just like them telling on themselves or giving them

836
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Speaker 1: some of ideas about like how to do this ship. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Republicans, conservatives in general, especially social conservatives, they'll they're

838
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Speaker 3: they're really good at making the issues they care about

839
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: into culture war bullshit, right, like really firing up a base,

840
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: really like, yeah, firing up this moral panic about stuff.

841
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: And then when you like take a step back, you're like, hey,

842
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: people voting, like you're talking about mail in ballots, like

843
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: what you know? So yeah, yeah, that's as tried and

844
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: true tale, as old as time for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back to talk about what's happening on the Supreme

847
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Speaker 1: Court this week.

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Speaker 4: We'll be right there a lot, and we're back.

849
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Speaker 1: We're back, And I keep seeing the stories about what

850
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's up to. It seems bad, not good.

851
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, this week and who bettered. I'm like, I'm like,

852
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Speaker 2: just I want to pick Rihanna's brain with a few

853
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: cases that we've seen kind of begin to bubble up

854
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: over the last few months. The first one is Grant's Pass,

855
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Speaker 2: the City of Grants Pass in Oregon. They're basically arguing

856
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: and please correct me if I'm wrong. Essentially that cities

857
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Speaker 2: will have the ability to punish people for having nowhere

858
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: to sleep as like to say that like if you are,

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Speaker 2: if you have a if you're sleeping outside or putting

860
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: up a tent, whatever that is. Now that's there's nothing

861
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: to protect you, not even the Eighth Amendment, which I

862
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Speaker 2: guess I mean, I was like, which cruel and unusual

863
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: punishment was that protecting us from? Because it's not us

864
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: capitalism for sure, but like is that? I mean I

865
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: feel like the very distilled version of that I get

866
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: is the Supreme Court is now going to basically come

867
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: down on whether or not sleeping outside is a crime.

868
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: I think that's maybe pretty broad. But how should we

869
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: be looking at that, because this feels like this has

870
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: a lot of ramifications for many people who live in cities.

871
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. Like that that

872
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: is the essential like distillation of what's happening here. So, yeah,

873
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: people who are unhoused sleeping outside and in some cities

874
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: states what have you, you can be criminally charged for that. Now,

875
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: I think in Grant's past it's a ticket, right, Like

876
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily that you you know, can go to

877
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: prison for this. But it is a ticket, a citation

878
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: that is under the law a punishment. If you have

879
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: to pay a fine for something, that's a punishment, right.

880
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 3: So the Supreme Court here is deciding, you know, if

881
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: you are punishing somebody for being unhoused, is that cruel

882
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: and unusual? And I think the specific setup actually in

883
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: this case is, you know, there are cities where maybe

884
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: you can get a ticket for they call it a

885
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: lot of places to call it public camping, right You're

886
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: camping on public grounds, in a park, under a bridge,

887
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. There are cities where you can

888
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: get a ticket for public camping, or the police can

889
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: come and take down your tent and trash your belongings.

890
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: And that's super super messed up obviously. But in a

891
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: lot of cities they have shelter beds, there is enough

892
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: sort of emergency housing or housing for unhoused people that

893
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 3: people aren't forced to do public camping in grants pass

894
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: and in the cases from the Ninth Circuit that are

895
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: the ones going up to the Supreme Court. In this case,

896
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: the issue, for example, like in San Francisco, is that

897
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: San Francisco has police go tear down homeless encampments, but

898
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: there aren't enough beds in San Francisco, for there aren't

899
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: enough shelter space. There isn't enough shelter space where those

900
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: unhoused people can go. So it's in that kind of

901
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 3: like specific legal situation that is like, is this cruel

902
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: and unusual? Because you are literally criminalizing them for taking

903
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: the only option that they have, right there is no

904
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: other choice. They don't have another place to sleep, right,

905
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 3: So is that cruel and unusual? Now, unfortunately, I hate

906
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: to break the bad news, but the Supreme Court sucks.

907
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: When I thought you said the Supreme Court, Yeah, it is.

908
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: How they like.

909
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: How they got away with the Supreme thing. Supreme always

910
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: means superior, means all the top things, all the topings.

911
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Supreme sucking in this in the in this realm.

912
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, there's no expectation here that the Supreme

913
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: Court is going to be like, yeah, this is cruel

914
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: and unusual punishment. You are violating these people's constitutional rights

915
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: when you punish them for essentially being unhoused, right, yeah.

916
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: Because you hear what the proponents say, and it's like

917
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: such like just inhumane bullshit where they're just like, well,

918
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's really quite simple. It's like we need

919
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: to help our lawn enforcement figure out if they even

920
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: have the ability to help keep our cities safe. And

921
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: and then like completely skirting and then you hear that

922
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: really bad talking points, like some people just want to

923
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: be out there, like even if they have help, without

924
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: actually talking about like the conditions some shelters are. And

925
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: for some people it's like, yeah, I'd rather take my

926
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: chances on the street than go to the shelter because

927
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: an X, Y and Z threat I have there. But

928
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: again it's mostly lost and like do you want to help,

929
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: like police make our city safer? And it's really just

930
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: about that, Like it's really.

931
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: The chamber of commerce and right people local businesses when

932
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: in doubt they're going to I mean, especially now following

933
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: Citizens United, where like corporations are have more rights than

934
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: individual people. Anything that's like, well, this lowers our property

935
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: value or our ability to god really yeah, yeah, I.

936
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: Didn't scare you want, but oh my god, your property value?

937
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like that is more important under the current rules.

938
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like a big kind of takeaway of

939
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: the case, or not even a takeaway, but like this

940
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: case is a good example of something which is that

941
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: social problems, the problems in our society, often end up

942
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: going to the Supreme Court, where, you know, if you're

943
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: on the side of social justice, if you're on the

944
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: side of welfare for people, if you're on the side

945
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: of equality and justice, that's that's the Supreme Court is

946
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: a dead end. Right, Supreme Court is not going to

947
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: solve our social problems. Here. The social problem is policing,

948
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: the idea that public safety quote unquote is about tearing

949
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: down unhoused people's tents, right, and the existence of homelessness

950
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: to begin with. The housing crisis in America is a

951
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: social problem, right, that is not going to be solved

952
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: by this case. And yeah, it's a good example of

953
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: politicians and people not coming together to work on actually

954
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: solving those issues and just making it a you know,

955
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: a police a law enforcement issue, taking it up and

956
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: down the federal judiciary to the Supreme Court and back again,

957
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: and nothing really gets solved. Right, people are still unhoused,

958
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: that's a problem.

959
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then for them it's like, well, at least

960
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: legally now we can brutalize them. However, exactly exactly, the

961
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: guys of we're actually keeping them safe because some of

962
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: them don't, you know, it's like it's so unserious. And

963
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: then this, I mean, this next one I think is

964
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: probably gonna get the most attention, even though there's also

965
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: obviously the Idaho abortion ban is something that the court

966
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: is gonna hear. And also like Starbucks, like like, well

967
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: you help with a union bust, amongst many other things,

968
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: which I'm sure they're gonna be like, oh, yes, my good, Yeah,

969
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: my good? Is Starbuck?

970
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah up there? Yeah, like Starbucks versus a union, Like,

971
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, is.

972
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: The National Labor Relations Board go off their fucking rockery?

973
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

974
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: I think so. I think we need to yank Delicia

975
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: a little bit today here. But the other one is

976
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 2: that Trump immunity is Trump immunity. God, you know that

977
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: was I think like with this one from from I'm

978
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: guessing right, especially everything I've heard, this case really isn't

979
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: gonna go anywhere because Trump's team is essentially arguing a

980
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: president cannot face charges for anything without first being impeached

981
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: and convicted by Congress. If that doesn't happen, they can kill,

982
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: they can do murders. Resealed Team six and it's like,

983
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: what but I feel like here the victory for him

984
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: was the fact that they were like, okay, but we're

985
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: gonna delay our decision so that can come up the

986
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: rest of your legal trials here. That kind of what's

987
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: going on.

988
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent right. And it's also not just

989
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: his legal team delaying, right, the Supreme Court is helping.

990
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: Right exactly, yeah, right, because they would have right normally,

991
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: it would have been opening, like even the Supreme Court

992
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: be like, come on, fam because that means Joe Biden

993
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: could do whatever the fuck.

994
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: He wants now, right exactly exactly. So, yeah, this all

995
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: has to this. This actually does come out of January sixth.

996
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 3: You know, Jack Smith, special counsel, brought an indictment against

997
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, criminal indictment for the coup plot basically, and

998
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: this lawsuit Trump's laws are saying, well, no, you're actually

999
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 3: immune from being sued or from criminal prosecution any legal

1000
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: actions against you while you are president. Right, that is

1001
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: obviously a wild argument because again, like you just.

1002
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Said it, Okay, so because nobody can touch me.

1003
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: I.

1004
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: Can the president murder?

1005
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: Like? No?

1006
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: Surely not right, Like the president is not absolutely immune.

1007
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: That's what the lawyers are kind of saying, because I

1008
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: remember what was the lower court that first heard them.

1009
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: They're like, hold on, let me get this right. You

1010
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: just so he could he could hit up Seal Team six,

1011
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: just snuff somebody out.

1012
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, this is like getting in the weeds.

1013
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: But you know, the president does violence of course, nature

1014
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: being the president, right, like Obama ordering drone strikes, was

1015
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: Obama doing murder. They're all war criminals. But yeah, this

1016
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 3: this this lawsuit kind of like on its face, Yeah,

1017
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. I don't think anybody thinks the Supreme Court,

1018
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: even these Supreme Court justices, I don't think anybody thinks

1019
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: they're going to be like, yep, you're right. The president

1020
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: is immune from everything while the president is in office.

1021
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: But the little tricks they're doing is about the delay

1022
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: so that this case doesn't actually get decided at a

1023
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: time when it really matters, right, which is to say,

1024
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: before the election. So the Supreme Court granted cert, which

1025
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: means they accepted the case, They said they would hear

1026
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: the case. They granted cert months after they could have,

1027
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: and then when they said they would hear the case,

1028
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: they scheduled the oral argument for the end of April.

1029
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: When they could have heard the case much earlier there

1030
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: were dates available. Scheduling it for the end of April

1031
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: means we likely will not have a decision until late June.

1032
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: And then if that means if the decision is no,

1033
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: he's not immune from every thing, he can be taken

1034
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 3: to trial, then that means the trial would still have

1035
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: to happen. Right, You're talking about months and months and months,

1036
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: if not years, And then you know, you got the

1037
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: election coming up in November, like Trump is going to

1038
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 3: be the president or he's not. But this decision about

1039
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: whether or not he is convicted of a crime for

1040
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: the January sixth coup attempt, you know that it by

1041
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: that time it will be irrelevant because it will either

1042
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: win the election or not, right right, right.

1043
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: That's just yeah, it's fun to see. It's fun to see.

1044
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: I'll play it like I keep saying, November, take your time,

1045
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: Please take your time, you know, let me just be

1046
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 2: so present throughout here, all.

1047
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: Right now, just give us, like a ESPN talking head,

1048
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: take is Trump gonna win the presidency or not?

1049
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: Just yeah, what do you think? You hear?

1050
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: This guy's the bet?

1051
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: No. One last question as relates to Scotus because I

1052
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: feel like there's always these moments right before we go.

1053
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I had to I had to ask you this,

1054
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: why I have you here. There's always these moments right

1055
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: where you're like, man, I know how I know Kavanaugh

1056
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: was gonna send it what coney barretts about sending what

1057
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: Neil's about to say, and then like they they switch

1058
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: it up like and find their spine in like the

1059
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 2: weirdest ways, Like specifically Neil Gorsich, who's like tribal rights, Man,

1060
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm telling you don't fuck with that, and you're like,

1061
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: but but fuck everyone else's rights, Like like how do

1062
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: you how do you sort of view these like like

1063
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard some theories like he's so conservative

1064
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: that like it intellectually brings him to a point where

1065
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 2: he's like he has no choice but to defend tribal rights.

1066
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: Others like well he grew up in the Southwest and this, this,

1067
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: that and the other. But how do you see like

1068
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: these flashes of like when you're like somehow like Amy

1069
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: coney Barrett had a half decent opinion, is that them

1070
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: being like I gotta kind of edge with the wacky shit.

1071
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: So they don't think I'm a total scumbag, so I

1072
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: just do it here and there or is there just

1073
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: like how do you view this sort of like the

1074
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: vacillation between like they're the being moral or not giving

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Speaker 2: a fuck at all? That's right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think I think you just have

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Speaker 3: to remember that they're individuals, like they're beings.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Gorsic on tribal rights. Yeah, he spent a lot of

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Speaker 3: time I think, coming up as a lawyer and as

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Speaker 3: a judge in states where tribal rights were something being litigated, right,

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Speaker 3: or like tribal jurisdiction federal Indian law was an issue, right,

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Speaker 3: And so he just knows a lot about it, and

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Speaker 3: I think he can it's not about like caring about

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Speaker 3: the rights of minorities or people of color. I think

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Speaker 3: he just knows a lot about the law and has

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Speaker 3: totally kind of like he's totally like brought that into

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Speaker 3: his conservative legal approach.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He's a textualist, so he's able to say things like, look,

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Speaker 3: the treaties with tribes say this, this is the test.

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Speaker 3: I'm a conservative, I'm a textualist. This is how I

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Speaker 3: interpret it, right, yea, And yeah, so they're they're they're

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Speaker 3: all individuals sometimes with kind of like a little surprise

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Speaker 3: here and there, but to them, they're always working within

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Speaker 3: and for the conservative legal movement for sure. And I

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Speaker 3: would say the thing that is more pronounced, more than

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Speaker 3: like an occasional surprise half liberal take from a conservative

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Speaker 3: justice is actually that they're getting more conservative while they're

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Speaker 3: on the bench. So Clarence Thomas, sam Alito, John Roberts especially,

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Speaker 3: they are talking about things, writing about things in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four in their opinions that there they would not

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Speaker 3: have said, thought put down on paper in opinions, you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty years ago when they were earlier more junior justices.

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Speaker 1: Right, because they have this little club that they go

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Speaker 1: to call the Federalist Society, where they like give speeches

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Speaker 1: and they're like, uh, it's nice to be somewhere where

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Speaker 1: people aren't protesting outside my house. And everyone's like.

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Speaker 2: God, yeah, yeah, Hey, Harlan, come out with the money

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Speaker 2: with the money cannon. Harlen, come up with Harley Crow

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00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: about to hitch out with the money cannon?

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, all right, Well, Rihannon, what a pleasure haveing you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for spending some time with us.

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Speaker 1: Where where can people find you? Follow you, hear you

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was really fun. Thanks y'all. So the podcast

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Speaker 3: is called five to four. That's the number five dash,

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Speaker 3: the number four. We're on all social media at five

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Speaker 3: to four pod, all spelled out. I'm on Twitter. Refuse

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Speaker 3: to call it the other thing.

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Speaker 1: At Awa in this household.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. At a Wa rhiannon. That's Aywa Rhannon And yeah,

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Speaker 3: come check us out five four pod dot com. We

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Speaker 3: are talking about all this shit and more weeke in

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Speaker 3: and week out.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Is there a work of media, social media or otherwise

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Speaker 1: that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know what, I've been watching the Gaza Freedom Flotilla,

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Speaker 3: the ship that is set sale for Gaza. People from

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Speaker 3: all over the world are on this ship. They have

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Speaker 3: tons of humanitarian aid and they are going to attempt

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Speaker 3: to break the seventeen year siege of Gaza by landing

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Speaker 3: at the port in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So God bless Yeah, amazing miles Where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: Is there a working media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: Find me where they have? The social media is at

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Speaker 2: miles of gray. I'm on most of them, you know,

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Speaker 2: So just search there. And also you can find Jack

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Speaker 2: and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack And

1141
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Speaker 2: if you like to play on ninety day Fiance. You

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Speaker 2: know where we get into the nuances of immigration reform. No,

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Speaker 2: we don't. We're just talking about trash reality. Uh, check

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Speaker 2: me out on four to twenty day Fiance. Any tweets

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Speaker 2: I like, Nah, I haven't been on the tweet thing,

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Speaker 2: but I just what did I start watching recently? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I was watching. I was just watching the rest of it. Actually, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't even recommend it. Never mind. I'm not even

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Speaker 2: gonna like, I'm like, I just have that thing that

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Speaker 2: I was gonna trash. But no, continue doing what you

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Speaker 2: do for your social media's. But yeah, I have no

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Speaker 2: no suggestions.

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Speaker 1: Your owner, no further suggestions. You're no further suggestions my owner.

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Speaker 2: All right, Uh yeah, workimedia. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Just a twet from Christy Mgucci Man at the Wopple

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Speaker 1: House on Twitter, who tweeted, don't text right now, just

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Speaker 1: learn to the high school from Ten Things I Hate

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Speaker 1: About You is a real high school called Stadium High School.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember that high school,

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Speaker 1: but it's like it looks like like a cat like

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Speaker 1: Arkham Asylum, but then there's like a big stadium in

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Speaker 1: the middle of it. There's like a field with like

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Speaker 1: this big castle in the background.

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Speaker 2: It's like one of the.

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Speaker 1: Wildest things I've ever seen. Anyways, I'll link off for

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Speaker 1: that in footnotes for worth your time. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist, where at d daily

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Speaker 1: Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fanpage and a website,

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Speaker 1: daily zeitguist dot com where we post our episodes and

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Speaker 1: our footnotes where we link off to the information that

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Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode, so well as the

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Speaker 1: song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what's song

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Speaker 1: do you think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: This is a song from a duo called Tandy Thha

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Speaker 2: and DII and there from the UK. But they're like

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Speaker 2: studio musicians that used to play with bands like Michael

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Speaker 2: Kiwanuka or like Salt or Cleo Soul, little sims like

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Speaker 2: groups that I definitely fuck with, and they just have

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Speaker 2: like their own project together and it's called Candy and

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Speaker 2: it's got this like DIY like sexy Rick James kind

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Speaker 2: of shit going on in this track. It's called Big

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Speaker 2: Boys Don't Cry and it's just some nice bedroom funk

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Speaker 2: I think is what I'll call this one. So this

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Speaker 2: is from Tandy. Check it out all right.

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Speaker 1: We will link off to that in the footnotes. The

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Speaker 1: dailies Like Guys is a production by Heart Radio. For

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01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: more podcasts my Heart Radio visit there, Heart Radio Wrap,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to

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Speaker 1: tell you what is trending and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: all then Bye later