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Speaker 1: from Coast to Coast. Am on iHeart Radio. Adam tell

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Speaker 1: me how a pastor ended up writing a book about unafraid,

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Speaker 1: living with the courage, and hope in uncertain times. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for asking, George, So so part of what are preaching

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Speaker 1: to my preaching over the last twenty eight years on

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Speaker 1: a regular basis, I'm dealing with people's fears. Fear is

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Speaker 1: just a primal instinct in us. We're all wired for fear.

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Speaker 1: We're actually hardwired to fear. It's a great gift that

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Speaker 1: keeps us alive and why the human race still exists.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's just wired into its Maybe we

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Speaker 1: can talk more about that in a second, but but

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Speaker 1: what I found is that over the last year and

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Speaker 1: a half two years, people were more fearful, not just

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Speaker 1: in our congregation but in the community and of course nationally.

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Speaker 1: The surveys were saying that people were more fearful than

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Speaker 1: they have been at any time since nine eleven. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a variety of factors involved in that that,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty four hour news is a piece of

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Speaker 1: that that, you know, what was going on in politics,

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty happening in our world today, a host of factors.

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Speaker 1: But people were more fearful than any time since nine eleven.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, I've got to address this.

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Speaker 1: And so I began thinking about this first in terms

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Speaker 1: people you know that I shepherd be less fearful. And

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Speaker 1: then as I was looking into what the scriptures taught

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Speaker 1: times were fearful. There's over four dred references to fear

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Speaker 1: in the Bible and a hundred and forty references too

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Speaker 1: don't be Afraid. And so I thought, okay, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to work with here in scripture. And then I

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Speaker 1: began studying what what experts in the old had to say, read,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the best books I could find on fear,

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Speaker 1: and then what therapists were saying about fear, and and

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Speaker 1: that became a sermon series which ultimately then over the

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Speaker 1: you had before us now, and I'm really convinced that

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Speaker 1: for most of us, we all are fearful at at

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Speaker 1: different times about different things, and and the levels of

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Speaker 1: the charts. Well, you're right about about this too, that

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Speaker 1: some fear we do have a mechanism within our system.

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Speaker 1: It's it's important for survival to be able to fear,

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Speaker 1: because if you were so fearless, you could really get

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Speaker 1: into trouble exactly. You know, if you don't have any

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Speaker 1: and again we're hardwired for it. Our brain has a little,

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Speaker 1: of the things we fear are not going to happen,

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Speaker 1: or they're not going to be as bad as we

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Speaker 1: that people have within themselves, how do you overcome that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So so there's UH, there's four steps outline in the book.

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Speaker 1: And these steps are it's an acronym using the word fear,

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Speaker 1: and these are things that people have classically done. You know,

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Speaker 1: throughout history, human beings have done these things in order

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Speaker 1: with courage and hope in the face of fear. And UH,

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Speaker 1: and and I put them as an acronym some people

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Speaker 1: I'm fearful that they will be, I'm going to assume

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Speaker 1: the best instead of the worst. In our and our

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Speaker 1: nature is to assume the worst of whatever we're facing.

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Speaker 1: So facing your fears of the bias of hope, examining

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Speaker 1: the E and fear examining your assumptions in the light

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Speaker 1: when you get the facts, you find that again you

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Speaker 1: probably don't need to be as as as scared as

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Speaker 1: you as you might be. So facts often will will

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Speaker 1: help us attacking your anxiety with action as the A.

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Speaker 1: And so taking action that helps us alleviate our fears.

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Speaker 1: believing that you're not alone in this universe, that there's

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Speaker 1: and for some it would be trusting and providence or

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Speaker 1: steps facing your fears with faith or with abias of hope,

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Speaker 1: your anxieties with action, and releasing your cares to God

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Speaker 1: are what you find modern therapist often using it's what

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Speaker 1: you find, uh, it's what people have done forever. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, as throughout our conversation, I'll kind of

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Speaker 1: come back to these and unpack those in various ways.

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