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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Wednesday, March eighteenth, and Robot

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Speaker 1: just told me to save it for the podcast because

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Speaker 1: we had plenty to say. Bachelorette starts on Sunday, but

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Speaker 1: already some are getting out of the Bachelorette and the

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Speaker 1: Taylor Frankie Paul business with that. Welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and Tjes. When money starts flying, this becomes

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Speaker 1: a different conversation. This isn't just social media now talking

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Speaker 1: about what's going on with her. Now a company has

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Speaker 1: said we're.

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Speaker 2: Out, exactly, and you would think that that might prompt Disney,

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Speaker 2: which owns both ABC and Hulu, to say something, make

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Speaker 2: some sort of comment, some sort of statement, either in

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Speaker 2: support of Taylor, Frankie Paul and the Bachelorette or distancing themselves,

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Speaker 2: but they have reined completely silent even now in the

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Speaker 2: wake of a collaborator, a partner, a very well known

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Speaker 2: brand pulling out.

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Speaker 1: Look, if you get to the point where a company

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Speaker 1: that sells cinnabons doesn't even want to be in business

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Speaker 1: with you, we should probably we should probably have some conversation.

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Speaker 3: Uh yes, because as you point out, money talks.

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Speaker 2: That is when the pressure is real it's not just

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Speaker 2: public opinion or controversy, which honestly, in a lot of

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Speaker 2: ways makes all of your promotion all the better.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have more eyes. Most likely more people are

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Speaker 3: going to watch.

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Speaker 2: Sunday's debut of The Bachelorette because of all of this.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there will be people who will be so disgusted

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Speaker 2: by the headlines that they will turn it off, But

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Speaker 2: I would bet that ratings will be up because of this,

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Speaker 2: and certainly Disney is betting on that.

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Speaker 1: And what we're talking about here is Cinnabon has come

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Speaker 1: out now and said they are stepping back and they

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Speaker 1: are not going to be a part of advertising. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to be a part of promoting, They're not

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Speaker 1: going to be a part of any partnership anymore with

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Speaker 1: the bachelorreat and in particular Taylor Frankie Paul, after the

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Speaker 1: current controversy has now exploded to a certain degree in

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Speaker 1: which Robes the police department out there in Utah has

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Speaker 1: confirmed that there is a criminal investigation into a domestic

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Speaker 1: violence incident between her and her ex. I guess someone

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Speaker 1: you share as a child with.

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Speaker 3: You could put X in quotes because it's unclear.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Yeah, Yeah, their relationship is constantly on again, off again.

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Speaker 3: Dakota Mortenson is his name.

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Speaker 2: He has been prominently featured and so has their toxic

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Speaker 2: relationship on the Secret Wives of Mormon Lives or Secret

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Speaker 2: Lives of Mormon Wives.

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Speaker 3: That was wonderful. I just nailed that up, so.

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Speaker 1: I can't even say it again. It was so messed up.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what I said.

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Speaker 1: Secret Lives foremon O Warwin Lives. What was that? Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go back and listen to that one.

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Speaker 1: That was That was very special.

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Speaker 3: That was that's called.

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Speaker 2: We went to the nixt game last night and I

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Speaker 2: didn't sleep much.

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Speaker 1: Oh please, Well, your.

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Speaker 3: Brain does crazy things when you don't sleep.

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Speaker 2: But yes, so they have been Anyone who's a fan

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Speaker 2: of that show absolutely knows who these two are, and

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Speaker 2: certainly they have history with this specifically Frankie Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Frankie Paul has history. She actually has criminal history.

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Speaker 2: She pleaded guilty to one charge or one count of

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Speaker 2: aggravated assault. She had several charges against her after she

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Speaker 2: admitted to throwing a barstool at Dakota and it accidentally

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Speaker 1: So what we're talking about here is a controversy has

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Speaker 1: exploded because you have an investigation going on, and now

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Speaker 1: the what you just mentioned, Robes is coming up again.

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Speaker 1: So now, Robes, you have Disney Family Company, right, all

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Speaker 1: about family, all about that mouse. You are not just featuring,

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Speaker 1: You are not just allowing on your airwaves. You are

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Speaker 1: promoting prominently as one of the biggest stars on your

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Speaker 1: ABC network. Now is a woman who is being investigated

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Speaker 1: for domestic violence and has a domestic violence conviction on

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Speaker 1: her record that you knew about, and at a time

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Speaker 1: that you're now telling twenty five guys come and try

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Speaker 1: out to be in a relationship with her, Robes. This

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Speaker 1: is a different This isn't jaywalking, This isn't a car accident,

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Speaker 1: This isn't a yelling a weird This isn't getting caught

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Speaker 1: on some viral moment on the street, Robes. Why is

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Speaker 1: domestic violence not being talked about in the way we

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Speaker 1: are accustomed to and want it to be. There is

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Speaker 1: a seriousness, Robes to this story that is missing, I.

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Speaker 2: Feel absolutely, and it's because the gender roles are reversed.

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Speaker 3: Period.

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Speaker 1: Okay, stop right there. If there was a guy who

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Speaker 1: was a bachelor who has a domestic violence conviction on

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Speaker 1: his record. He's immediately not even an option? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: A completely different story one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's say they've shot The Bachelor and the week

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Speaker 1: it's coming out that guy is under investigation for a

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Speaker 1: domestic violence incident. What happens? Do they come out and say,

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Speaker 1: we'll let the process play out. What do you say?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Robes, what do we talk about domestic violence?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is, now, like you said, the show

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Speaker 1: Robes, I don't what are we missing? Are we just

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Speaker 1: waiting for Maybe they're gonna come to their senses. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure these conversations are happening, But I have to ask

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Speaker 1: as well, how much space are we Disney ABC supposed

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Speaker 1: to give for innocent to proven guilty. Let's see how

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Speaker 1: this plays out. Will listen to her side of the story.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't been convicted in this case? Do we give

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Speaker 2: Well, they haven't said anything. I think that's part of

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Speaker 2: the problem. But we did hear from Taylor Frankie Paul yesterday.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of her comments?

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Speaker 1: I didn't like them. I don't know what you do

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Speaker 1: expect or supposed to expect in this situation. And there's

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Speaker 1: a legal process, so there's she's limited. But let everybody

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Speaker 1: else hear it, and then I'll comment about where I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because look here you have Taylor Frankie Paul.

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Speaker 2: This is the big lead up to the Bachelorette. So

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Speaker 2: she's on a press tour. She is here in New

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Speaker 2: to the press, and of course this is all anybody

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Speaker 2: is talking about. Here is what she said last night. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: just like my heart hurts to see it, to go

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Speaker 2: through it, especially at this time. Just the timing is

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Speaker 2: hard and it's a big deal. I feel like every

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Speaker 2: premiere that I've experienced I've never enjoyed fully, So this

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Speaker 2: I'm struggling, for sure, But also at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I feel like if I don't show up, then I'm

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Speaker 2: just giving these opportunities away and not enjoying what we

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Speaker 3: She played the victim.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, baby, are you sure that's it? Is there?

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Speaker 3: All the comments that I have, did you see this?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no, I'm just making sure. I'm saying, is

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Speaker 1: there anything else that you saw? Because that again robes

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Speaker 1: It doesn't suggest or it doesn't lend itself to understanding

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Speaker 1: the seriousness of what we are talking about. And yes,

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Speaker 1: woe is me. Now if she wants to come out

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Speaker 1: and we don't know what happened, maybe she is the

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Speaker 1: victim of the sole victim of domestic violence. That's possible.

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Speaker 3: It's possible.

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Speaker 2: But all of the reporting out there, and look, you've

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Speaker 2: trying to find out what Dakota Mortenson.

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Speaker 2: And there are all sorts of allegations that he has videos,

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Speaker 3: So we don't know, but we do know this.

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Speaker 2: Police have confirmed that there are allegations of violence from

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Speaker 1: Okay, there was nothing she said that addressed the seriousness

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Speaker 1: just hey, this is very difficult and it's a private time.

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Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed that it's happened, but the legal process has Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would have been something that this is all hard

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Speaker 2: Yes, And she went on to talk so she that

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Speaker 2: But she went on to talk about the Bachelorette, and

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Speaker 2: she referenced a little.

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Speaker 2: The problems in her relationships, not just maybe with Dakota,

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Speaker 2: But I'll give you this last quote because you asked

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Speaker 3: She did say this.

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Speaker 2: She said that going on the Bachelorette allowed her to

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Speaker 2: get quote out of my toxicity.

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Speaker 3: Of a life in Utah and bubble. It was like

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Speaker 3: the best thing I could have done.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of reassurance in who I am,

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Speaker 3: It kind of brought out.

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Speaker 2: also that too. So again talking about gentle as in

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Speaker 2: all about poor me. This is hard. Why does this

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Speaker 3: Every time? At her premiere but all of the headlines

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Speaker 1: Again, I'm trying to roase. I'm trying always to leave space.

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Speaker 1: Don't know this woman well, spend a little time with her.

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Speaker 1: We did, but we like her. We think she's authentic.

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Speaker 1: We think she's a decent woman, right, a decent person.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has issues, and we encourage everybody to get help

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Speaker 1: with those issues. And whatever those issues are, we don't

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Speaker 1: They no longer deserve a life of dignity, respect or

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Speaker 1: able aur ability to go out and make money or

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Speaker 1: promote them whatever, whatever. That's fine. Romees, I still question.

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Speaker 1: I would like to raise my hand and ask Disney

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Speaker 1: ABC a question about whatever that sliding scale might be.

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Speaker 1: Of morality, of family, of decency, of acceptable public behavior.

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Speaker 1: I would love to ask that question this. They had

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Speaker 1: her on the red car. She is a superstar for

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Speaker 1: them that they're banking on with ratings. So let me

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Speaker 1: ask you, Robes if if on Sunday this thing premieres

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Speaker 1: it has record ratings or at least increased ratings, does

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Speaker 1: Disney not give a damn about any of this other noise.

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Speaker 1: All that matters is we god numbers.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think we have learned this and seen this

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Speaker 3: They read, ah, they read.

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Speaker 2: The comments, They read what people are saying, and they

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Speaker 2: make their decision based on where they think public opinion is.

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Speaker 1: That's I think maybe a lot of companies do that.

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Speaker 1: But they are waiting. This is an investment they've put

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Speaker 1: in there. Okay, maybe that's they are waiting to see

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Speaker 1: which way the wind blows.

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Speaker 3: Fuzzy feelings.

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Speaker 1: Yes you can. There is nothing you cannot warm and

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Speaker 1: fuzzy your way around domestic violence, no anything, name anything else.

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Speaker 1: What's the conversation? Baby? Should we all just say it

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Speaker 2: It's hard because I think we have to acknowledge that

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, if there's a knife near, if there's

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Speaker 1: Do you think that conversation's happening as well in some room,

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Speaker 3: To your point, if this were reversed, there would be zero.

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Speaker 2: And right now Disney's silence is deafening. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: Baby, that's what they're hoping.

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Speaker 3: This was supposed to save the franchise.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what is it? They didn't do it last summer? Yes,

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Speaker 2: And now that the truth is we know this cycle once,

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Speaker 2: which it is. They are going to dig and dig

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Speaker 3: They're going to get wilder and they survive.

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Speaker 2: Can the bach there read survive the next three days

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Speaker 1: How many millions have you put into this woman and

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Speaker 1: this show which has been shot? It's done right? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: There are if you go dig enough I have. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, Coyne.

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Speaker 1: He sent her off here. Honey, let's spend one last

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Speaker 2: I love that season. That was the first season, and

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Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, Well, we'll see how this shakes it

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Speaker 1: to TVD. Will be developments on this, no doubt. Right.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what she has next to her next promotion?

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Speaker 1: She's in New York.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but she's in New York.

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Speaker 2: Industry was expected to be making all the rounds this

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Speaker 3: Good luck.

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