Speaker 1: Welcome to Miami, where the weather is hot and the
Speaker 1: hot mic is on fire. Lisa Hawksteine's divorce from her
Speaker 1: husband Lenny has been very public, but this is where
Speaker 1: it all started with one of the most insane hot
Speaker 1: mic moments, and the Housewives franchise actor Brian Austin Green
Speaker 1: and professional ballroom dancer Sharna Burgess are breaking down the
Speaker 1: episode with me. This is real Housewives of Miami Season five,
Speaker 1: Episode four, Hot Mike in Miami. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Bethany, Bethany, how are you?
Speaker 3: I I'm great.
Speaker 1: I'm stunned that part of my childhood pop culture life
Speaker 1: is coming to fruition and this is real. And I
Speaker 1: was last night. I was walking to my toaster, as
Speaker 1: I often do because I am a big toaster of things.
Speaker 2: You were telling you, wait, wait, you were talking to
Speaker 2: your toaster. You were walking.
Speaker 3: No, I was walking to my toaster.
Speaker 1: I do because but I do because it's a smeg
Speaker 1: and when you press it and the bagel flies out,
Speaker 1: I catch it and I go, yes, you ever catch it?
Speaker 1: So I actually do talk to my toaster.
Speaker 2: What kind do you have that actually pops the toast meg?
Speaker 2: The air meg?
Speaker 1: It gets like probably like two inches and it's a catch.
Speaker 3: You have to catch it. It's not you gotta time.
Speaker 3: So you hit me Jack, Can you catch Yeah, we'll
Speaker 3: send you one. Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I was walking and I guess talking
Speaker 1: to my toaster, and I was like, like, let's not
Speaker 1: be jaded and respectfully sean, like I was a nine
Speaker 1: or two, and I mean so I was just like,
Speaker 1: let's not be jaded, Like what the fuck? Like part
Speaker 1: of my childhood I watched TV. I was dreaming of
Speaker 1: just big dreams and being somebody, and you guys were
Speaker 1: living this life and being in Hollywood, I mean Hollywood
Speaker 1: and Beverly Hills and famous and like on this fun
Speaker 1: show and sunshine and beauty. And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then I'm like, he's coming on tomorrow.
Speaker 3: So thank you. I'm humbled and excited.
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you wasn't nearly as sunny and
Speaker 2: nice in Van Eyes, where we actually shot the show
Speaker 2: as it appeared when you were watching the episodes, and
Speaker 2: yet we've I was shocked. I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2: You and I have never met. I've seen you everywhere,
Speaker 2: and so the fact that we've never run into each
Speaker 2: other and anything is surprising to me, but I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a huge fan. I love I love what you do
Speaker 2: and the fun with it, and I love the fact
Speaker 2: that you talk about just real stuff and what is
Speaker 2: going on in your life.
Speaker 4: Also do so much good work for people and try
Speaker 4: and help with causes, and we're so aligned with that.
Speaker 4: And so it's really me as a woman, really inspirational
Speaker 4: and amazing what you do, what you do with your platform.
Speaker 2: I love that. I want to be you and I
Speaker 2: grow up Anthony.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you, And you've got congratulations on
Speaker 1: your podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. They're a great team. We're like, they're a
Speaker 3: great team to work with. Honestly, it's like, you feel great.
Speaker 1: It's weird because if you're used to working in the
Speaker 1: more traditional Hollywood entertainment space like you have, it's weird
Speaker 1: to just kind of be able to talk about what
Speaker 1: you want to do what you want like it's it's bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4: And we're also learning that, like we want to be
Speaker 4: vulnerable and open and transparent and share these things that
Speaker 4: we very much experience that I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't understand that we experience. We don't think we
Speaker 4: do because life looks shiny and bright and wonderful, but
Speaker 4: we all experience things like disappointment. This week, we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about addiction. There's so many things that people.
Speaker 2: Can relate to. Talked about co parenting in our last
Speaker 2: in our last episode. So we're really trying to touch
Speaker 2: on the things that every day people are dealing with
Speaker 2: on a regular basis, and and we're trying to lead
Speaker 2: by example as far as just sort of what our
Speaker 2: life has been like and the things that we've dealt with.
Speaker 2: It's people don't realize how much we have in common
Speaker 2: with people. They assume that because our lives are they
Speaker 2: appear to be shiny and they appear to be much
Speaker 2: bigger that that those problems don't exist. And it's it's
Speaker 2: all relative, it's all relative, it's all different.
Speaker 1: You know, dynamics, Human dynamics are the same. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: money helps and changes things, but human dynamics are similar.
Speaker 1: When you've gone through something like illness or you know,
Speaker 1: financial peril like someone has stolen from you or something.
Speaker 3: Or a bad divorce.
Speaker 1: I was married for two years and it took me
Speaker 1: ten years to get divorced, and it was I came
Speaker 1: from a very abusive and toxic childhood and that that
Speaker 1: has nothing on what that tenure.
Speaker 3: Divorce did to me.
Speaker 2: It was it was torture.
Speaker 1: So I've talked about that. But like people I thought
Speaker 1: I was, I was smart, I was older. I did
Speaker 1: not know what could happen, Like I did not know
Speaker 1: what could go down in a divorce. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who's the moneyed person or not. If one person
Speaker 1: wants to torture you, it's impots and the legal system
Speaker 1: is so slow and methodical that it's like playing a
Speaker 1: very slow golf game that you just have to go
Speaker 1: one hole at a time, then move back a couple
Speaker 1: of holes and hope that you move forward and you
Speaker 1: think you're there and then you're not. It's it's traumatizing
Speaker 1: and people don't get it. And it's not sexy and
Speaker 1: cute and romantic to talk about being smart when you
Speaker 1: enter into that.
Speaker 3: But you have to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I know, yeah, even through the ship.
Speaker 1: So okay, So have you watched The Housewives ever?
Speaker 2: We did. We watched the episode absolutely lost Bethany. Because
Speaker 2: housewives shows are not something that we tend to fall
Speaker 2: asleep with and then yeah, so you've.
Speaker 1: Never It's okay because I don't watch I'm I've watched
Speaker 1: a part of a Miami episode before too.
Speaker 3: I've never seen this show myself.
Speaker 2: So then we're all up for the challenge of this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I watched this episode and I know
Speaker 1: the genre in the medium obviously, it's like, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying you've watched scripted television shows about teens before you've
Speaker 1: been on it. But I'm saying it's still this is
Speaker 1: a different story. So this is the first Housewives episode
Speaker 1: you've ever seen?
Speaker 2: Yes, actually no, it's not. So I watched I watched
Speaker 2: New York. I saw you when you were when you
Speaker 2: were starting everything and everything that was going on. But
Speaker 2: there's going onto the uh the Peacock app It's unbelievable
Speaker 2: how many iterations of Housewives there are. Now there's like
Speaker 2: twenty different shits that are doing And so I had
Speaker 2: to scroll down through the list a bit before I
Speaker 2: got to Miami, and I was like, oh man, there, okay,
Speaker 2: there it is.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, okay, so let's get into it. I'll drive.
Speaker 1: So you guys don't have to get into any sort
Speaker 1: of trouble. It'll be more, you know, I'll be the
Speaker 1: really harsher opinionated on before. But all right, so we
Speaker 1: start off and there's a woman in scrubs. Yes, what
Speaker 1: seems like a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars car.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's a Rolls Rice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's either the Dawn or there's another one
Speaker 1: there too. I don't know if it's like a ghost
Speaker 1: or Dawn. I don't know, but Rolls Royce is those
Speaker 1: cars are like four hundred.
Speaker 3: And fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The car game in LA is insane, and but it's
Speaker 1: really crazy in Miami if you go down to the
Speaker 1: car The.
Speaker 2: Car game in Miami is way crazier than it is
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It is, okay, because if you go to like Val Harbor,
Speaker 1: it's nuts. You go to any of those hotels. So
Speaker 1: you're saying it's way crazier than LA.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, judging by what we saw. I know
Speaker 2: it's a small piece, so you know, I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: not all like that, but.
Speaker 3: My goodness, I agree.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Zoe Day, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: it's about the full itself that I think could be
Speaker 4: Miami that he is in La.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a little more hot shot performative, like fascinating
Speaker 1: because LA is so like that, and we're going to
Speaker 1: get into that. We'll get into like the work because
Speaker 1: the work is evident. And I was thinking about LA
Speaker 1: and if I were on a show like that, meaning
Speaker 1: no matter where you are, you end up dressing a
Speaker 1: little bit like it. Your accent change is a little
Speaker 1: no matter what. If I was living in the UK
Speaker 1: for ten years, it would it would.
Speaker 3: Change a little.
Speaker 1: And I definitely don't think I can handle being on
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills or Miami, like I
Speaker 1: would feel like I looked like I was frumpy all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It is very fashioned, forward and gam and bigger
Speaker 2: than big and ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you saw your doctor pulling out of the
Speaker 1: parking lot in a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars car,
Speaker 1: would would you feel like you were paying too much?
Speaker 1: She's an anesthesiologist, her husband is an attorney, all right,
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of anesthesia.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Well to sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that guy's gonna be a big lawyer. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So were you surprised to see Martina never Tulova
Speaker 1: on the Forget?
Speaker 2: I was right, yes, I didn't even realize. So we
Speaker 2: were watching the show and I said that, I was
Speaker 2: like that I think, and hearing her name, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that for sure is Martine and that was a little
Speaker 2: but I was like, I can't imagine she would be
Speaker 2: doing a show, a house live show in Miami, and
Speaker 2: but she seems very sort of distant and disconnected from it.
Speaker 1: Like it's okay, so exactly okay, So it's funny you
Speaker 1: say that. So I'm gonna give you some bts. So
Speaker 1: first of all, I was at the Soho House in
Speaker 1: Miami on a day that the producers were meeting with
Speaker 1: Martina and Nevertelova's wife, and I remember them saying, oh,
Speaker 1: she's one of the new housewives, Martina never Tulova, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Martina never Totelova is going to
Speaker 1: be on the show, and it was and also the
Speaker 1: model who she was there that day too, and she
Speaker 1: was saying to them I want to do what Bethany's done,
Speaker 1: which is really flattering. But I remember this day before
Speaker 1: they had ever shot, and in watching this, I thought of, now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm sure they're still together.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're happy.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about their relationship, but in watching it,
Speaker 1: it felt a little bit like, sometimes this one spouse
Speaker 1: feels like they have to give the other spouse something
Speaker 1: because Martina and Avertilova, I guess it seems like has
Speaker 1: a big, full career and her wife seems like she's
Speaker 1: going through something and she doesn't have enough purpose in
Speaker 1: the kids. She's an empty nester, and kind of you
Speaker 1: want to give them something, whether it's a business or
Speaker 1: you're moving somewhere. It's their turn. And it felt like
Speaker 1: she quote unquote allowed her to do this and said
Speaker 1: she'd participate for a reason, like a turning point in
Speaker 1: a life. I've seen it happen before divorce. I saw
Speaker 1: it happen with Kelsey Grammer. You're like, why the hell
Speaker 1: is Kelsey Grammar on Beverly Hills with Camille and then
Speaker 1: they get divorced, and it's kind of like Camille's thing.
Speaker 1: It was almost like, all right, I'll do this with you.
Speaker 1: This is your gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was giving a little bit of like hesitant and
Speaker 1: I had a guy that I was on with it
Speaker 1: first seasons and he did not want to be And
Speaker 1: it felt like that during a meal where yeah, Tina said,
Speaker 1: what did I get myself into?
Speaker 2: And yeah, she.
Speaker 1: Was talking about the relationship, but she wasn't she was
Speaker 1: talking about situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. It felt really.
Speaker 4: Like there was a lot of tension between them and
Speaker 4: the communication.
Speaker 2: Was really feel really sad to watch, honestly, like as
Speaker 2: being in a healthy relationship. It felt like, oh man,
Speaker 2: you there's you could feel the tension across the table
Speaker 2: and you could you could really like probably feel the
Speaker 2: lack of intimate love, like there's love for each other.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they've been together for so long and they
Speaker 2: know each other so well, but there wasn't that feeling
Speaker 2: of in love that that you look for with people.
Speaker 4: And that isn't to say that they're not right, because
Speaker 4: we all know you can cut a few things together
Speaker 4: and TV and make it feel like a lot of things.
Speaker 4: And like you said, I'm sort of happy and together,
Speaker 4: but it does seem like a stressful situation.
Speaker 2: And part of me like I almost get.
Speaker 4: The Martine's wife, Julia, Julia like I understand her. You know,
Speaker 4: she hasn't got her career anymore, her babies have left,
Speaker 4: and she's looking for her purpose.
Speaker 2: And I totally understand she brought a guilt to a
Speaker 2: dog birthday.
Speaker 3: We're going to get into that ship.
Speaker 4: She wanted to animals, you know, like she's feeling a
Speaker 4: little like there's an and she talked about how you're always.
Speaker 2: Away for work and you're not here. So I get that.
Speaker 4: I think is a very real conversation for a lot
Speaker 4: of couples in life, you know, the empty nesting and
Speaker 4: that adjusting and maybe one person is more still busy
Speaker 4: with their career. So I get that's right, But they
Speaker 4: have that on that on television.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, is no upside for
Speaker 1: Martina Navtlova, a legendary athlete to do that, Like.
Speaker 2: There's there's no gain for her. It's not she's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, start starting some new career. In some way,
Speaker 2: she's good. She's had like a long life and long career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what we all.
Speaker 1: Yet we all feel that way, like we we can
Speaker 1: even see us in some situation doing it and taking
Speaker 1: a bit of shit on your face because you're doing
Speaker 1: something you're promoting something like Martina and Navertalova. There is
Speaker 1: no upside to doing this show and having this conversation
Speaker 1: and reality television will not help your relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, well no, because I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: but they so much is created for the purpose of television, right,
Speaker 2: You're sort of given tasks and things during the day
Speaker 2: that maybe you don't want to do what you sort
Speaker 2: of have to do. I don't I've never done I
Speaker 2: mean like, I've never done what you have done before.
Speaker 2: So I so please, I'll explain that.
Speaker 1: It's amazing because so when you're starting out and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because that those shows don't care if you're
Speaker 1: famous or not meeting. I used to be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we'll go to this event and I know
Speaker 1: Madonna who I don't know, and we'll shoot them like
Speaker 1: we don't care about that.
Speaker 3: They don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to run into you know whoever the
Speaker 1: show cares about, like the real dynamics, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If if Rihon is behind us, that's just nice frosting.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like drive story. So my point is they
Speaker 1: don't think of Martina Navratilova any different than a person
Speaker 1: who has you know, two hundred thousand dollars in debt
Speaker 1: that comes on the show.
Speaker 3: And when you're new on these shows.
Speaker 1: Which they were, you got to go through the shit
Speaker 1: that the audience wants, like you're gonna have to talk
Speaker 1: about your relationship, like they wouldn't let them be on
Speaker 1: unless they talked about it, like my first season. As
Speaker 1: you're a veteran years later in the audience and you've
Speaker 1: been successful, like I wouldn't have had that conversation like
Speaker 1: you're in the beginning. You literally feel like you have
Speaker 1: to take your clothes off, stand in front of a
Speaker 1: group naked, and it's awkward and it's uncomfortable. And I
Speaker 1: literally relate to that scene because I had that scene
Speaker 1: with a guy where I needed to say what about
Speaker 1: living together?
Speaker 3: Like the I had to have.
Speaker 1: This fake conversation that I forced conversation and he was like,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later, and he didn't really want
Speaker 1: it even it was he wanted to live together, but
Speaker 1: he just didn't want to talk about it in a camera,
Speaker 1: so he kept saying, let's talk about it later, and
Speaker 1: it looked like he was blowing me off, and I
Speaker 1: was feeling so embarrassed inside, like Martina, it was just
Speaker 1: like all bad. So my my thing about real and
Speaker 1: fake is that the words coming out of their mouth
Speaker 1: were real, the conversation was real, but the context of
Speaker 1: it was produced, and just the same as having a
Speaker 1: dog party, Like who's really like having a fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars dog party on the you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: it's like, you got to do things, so they take
Speaker 1: they elevated. That's what I'm trying to explain.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 5: Gosh, that's a lot that's really hot.
Speaker 2: If I would be able to do that. Now, that's
Speaker 2: really it's a lot of stress.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of good for women at a certain
Speaker 1: age who weren't aren't that marketable in their careers. Maybe
Speaker 1: they've gone a certain direction and gotten married and made
Speaker 1: their identity somebody else's, and now this is a market
Speaker 1: that wants that age group. Like, it's not that easy
Speaker 1: to get a job at that age and have a
Speaker 1: skill set at that age because you've been out of
Speaker 1: the market, and a lot of wives want to do that.
Speaker 1: And it makes I agree with you though, I like
Speaker 1: forgetting them. I like the topic of empty nest because
Speaker 1: as we get older, you realize your identity becomes either
Speaker 1: the other person, it becomes your kids. It's so great
Speaker 1: to like have kids give you something to do, like
Speaker 1: go put a costume on, go to the pumpkin patch,
Speaker 1: like you never do that alone. It gives you like
Speaker 1: a project, it gives you an identity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and I think you also mom's dads. You
Speaker 4: tend to then you stop doing the work or the
Speaker 4: things on yourself or the things for yourself, and then
Speaker 4: you're suddenly left with how.
Speaker 2: Do I do that again?
Speaker 4: Or I don't know for some people, or I don't
Speaker 4: want to look at that part of me again, or whatever.
Speaker 4: I loved focusing on my kids because it wasn't focusing
Speaker 4: on me, And then you're left with no option but
Speaker 4: to look at yourself with your own space and time.
Speaker 2: And I think that can also be daunting for people.
Speaker 2: You know, when you.
Speaker 4: Spend so much time caretaking for others, that also becomes
Speaker 4: your world and that is where you get validation and
Speaker 4: satisfaction and love and all these things that we look
Speaker 4: for as human beings. And now you've got to look
Speaker 4: for that on your own or with your partner, and
Speaker 4: that becomes completely different because, as you said, kids fill
Speaker 4: that space, and it's such a beautiful thing. And then
Speaker 4: all for some people in your career as well can
Speaker 4: fill that space and then change happens. But I think
Speaker 4: the empty nest subject is such an amazing one. I
Speaker 4: can only imagine it. At this point, we have such
Speaker 4: a full household of kids. I cannot imagine what life
Speaker 4: will be like when I'm alife.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, I am now fifty years old. I have
Speaker 2: a twenty one year old all the way down to
Speaker 2: a fifteen month old, so I'm going to have it.
Speaker 2: So I have fine, So.
Speaker 1: You just keep having you keep having kids. You're like
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon, You're just going to keep having kids. So
Speaker 1: you're ninety and you still have like an identity based
Speaker 1: on pumpkin patches and Christmas trees.
Speaker 2: So, Beth, I don't like your tongue. I have issue
Speaker 2: with the way you phrase that. You're your judgment underneath
Speaker 2: it all. Do you like it? I wish I could.
Speaker 1: My body could still do it because I like the strategy.
Speaker 1: So wait, you have a twenty one year old, a
Speaker 1: fifteen month and how old is everybody in between?
Speaker 2: So I have a twenty one year old and eleven
Speaker 2: year old, nine year old seven year old and a
Speaker 2: fifteen month old.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you had five kids. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that's amazing though.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Ye're all amazing kids.
Speaker 3: Feel Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so you've got a house of the twenty
Speaker 1: one year old lives with you.
Speaker 2: Too, No, twenty one year old is with his boyfriend.
Speaker 2: He's been out and kind of doing his own thing
Speaker 2: for a while. We still have four young kids, and wow.
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm talking about. Can you even
Speaker 1: relate to this empty nest?
Speaker 2: You're not related, but I can.
Speaker 3: Imagine be in a box.
Speaker 1: You'll be closing a coffin and like doing your last
Speaker 1: putting a costume on, Count Dracula on.
Speaker 3: That'll be your swan song. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2: Can absolutely with all of my babies standing around, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, stumbling around learning how to walk as they're
Speaker 2: like lower in my castle.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Because I think and you would be better. You're the
Speaker 1: best person to actually ask this because you are fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty two, and I think I was thinking today
Speaker 1: that this empty nest thing is sort of like adjacent
Speaker 1: to midlife crisis, but maybe it's not, meaning do you
Speaker 1: ever suffer with midlife crisis?
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing? What am I doing? What
Speaker 3: is this? What's like do you have that at all?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 3: Because you're too busy?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, I'm I'm too busy. Plus I've done
Speaker 2: such like a sort of deep dive on life in
Speaker 2: the past five years that I really at the point
Speaker 2: when I turned fifty. As much as fifty sounded like
Speaker 2: big number and you're like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 2: believe I made it all the way to fifty, that
Speaker 2: just that number seemed so far out of reach. I
Speaker 2: was excited, Like I'm excited about the place that I
Speaker 2: am in my life. And I'm excited that I feel
Speaker 2: career wised, like I'm really on track of what it
Speaker 2: is I truthfully want to do, and I feel confident
Speaker 2: in who I am and who I am with other
Speaker 2: people around me and as a parent, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's just a confidence level that I didn't have when
Speaker 2: I was younger. So I'm excited. I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: I'm not like, oh, I need to go like you know,
Speaker 2: I need to go relive something. I feel like I
Speaker 2: lived a long life, like up until fifty, and so
Speaker 2: if I look at this concept of Okay, this is
Speaker 2: the second part of my life. The first part of
Speaker 2: my life was so long. I did so many things. Finally,
Speaker 2: from being an infant to now it's right a whole
Speaker 2: another one of those. But I get to start at
Speaker 2: a point where I'm confident in myself and I'm comfortable
Speaker 2: and I'm excited about life and I really have a
Speaker 2: much better sense of who I am and how to
Speaker 2: live it. Then I then, God, I can't. I it's
Speaker 2: such a blessing that I guess. I go.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think that if you get to
Speaker 1: the point where you feel like nobody has getting up
Speaker 1: to like in your thirty twenties, thirties, forties, so many
Speaker 1: people have something that you want, whether it's a job,
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity, it's this, it's to not money. You know,
Speaker 1: when you get to a point where it's like nobody
Speaker 1: has anything I want, it's interesting. You're like doing what
Speaker 1: you want to do because you want to do it
Speaker 1: because you love it. It just shifts everything the reasons
Speaker 1: and and you kind of just want to have purpose,
Speaker 1: but define yourself what that purpose is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 1: So speaking of purpose, so dog party, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's not a Beverly Hills type thing like or no, like,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen this in your life?
Speaker 3: Have you heard of this? I feel like my dog
Speaker 3: fashion show.
Speaker 2: I've never been to one. I've never been invited to one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've never seen one. Yeah, I've never heard of one.
Speaker 1: So how you like produced like this is we need
Speaker 1: something to fill the show? Is that what you're getting?
Speaker 2: It's I or something to fill time? You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like living in Miami having the
Speaker 2: person that you are with making all of the money
Speaker 2: and you've gotten nothing but time at that point, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a dog party makes absolute sense.
Speaker 4: Interesting what made me sort of grow hum? You know,
Speaker 4: it just it something didn't sit well with me. It
Speaker 4: was just like really, And I think the point that
Speaker 4: you just made so beautifully is that that I feel
Speaker 4: like that's not a great representation of women, especially when
Speaker 4: how far we've come. And I'm sure all of those
Speaker 4: women in that scene are capable of way more than
Speaker 4: a dog party at a beach with champagne talking about
Speaker 4: butt lifts.
Speaker 2: But that was the thing that we got given, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, and that could be heavily produced. And also because
Speaker 1: I think Larsa Pippen Scottie Pippens ex she had a
Speaker 1: dog product or something she was plugging and listen, I
Speaker 1: invented the plug on this franchise, Like I literally started it.
Speaker 1: I am the one who capitalized it on it the
Speaker 1: most by far. So I'm going to say that, but
Speaker 1: your plugs have to land. And the weird awkward bringing
Speaker 1: out the box on the beach and the awkward plugs
Speaker 1: did not land like that. So I am Ramona who's
Speaker 1: a woman on New York used to have these like
Speaker 1: weird not Secuitor, right yeah, or the skincare or the crosses.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean you shouldn't have a product. You
Speaker 3: gotta have. Your plug has to land.
Speaker 1: The vehicle for the promotion is a gift in an art,
Speaker 1: It's like being an awkward door to door salesperson because
Speaker 1: somebody's good at it and someone's not.
Speaker 3: And this was a fail in the awkward plug department.
Speaker 4: Do you bill that may be happening because she felt
Speaker 4: awkward bringing it out. Oh, like it was almost like
Speaker 4: what would be great is if we do this and
Speaker 4: then you bring your product out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a wireless fence to keep dogs on.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say that they're out at
Speaker 2: the beach having a dog birthday party. But then she's
Speaker 2: talking to them about this new product that is, you
Speaker 2: set up a boundary around where you are and you
Speaker 2: put a collar on your dog and it keeps them
Speaker 2: within a certain it keeps them close enough to apparently
Speaker 2: pee on all of your birth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so here's what I would have DoD that's my product.
Speaker 1: First of all, I would have had insisted the parties
Speaker 1: not at the beach, It's at my home or a home,
Speaker 1: and I would have installed the device and shown in
Speaker 1: nature or get your partner to create a boundary at
Speaker 1: the beach. They had cleared rights to film there, so
Speaker 1: I would have created a small boundary and I would
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, look how crazy this was,
Speaker 1: because I would have been exhibiting the product not only
Speaker 1: to the people but the audience, but an awkward the
Speaker 1: the box on the beach was as awkward as the
Speaker 1: heels in the sand, and it was just like cringe.
Speaker 3: So agreed, didn't land? And yeah? So okay? And yeah
Speaker 3: that and the decked out like.
Speaker 2: What I saw, decorations that were the same that were
Speaker 2: here at my house for my fiftieth birthday. Party on
Speaker 2: the beach, and I was like, I was like, I
Speaker 2: had that. I'm a grown man. He turned fifty and
Speaker 2: this dog that's turning one had the exact same decorations.
Speaker 3: But he's a king.
Speaker 2: He is a king.
Speaker 3: He's king, so I mean.
Speaker 2: His name is king, right, yeah, decorations. He's doing pretty well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't love guards looks right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The goat thing, it's it's just we don't have to.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty goat though.
Speaker 2: The blue eyes, I get it. I've actually had those.
Speaker 2: I love them. But it was the whole thing was
Speaker 2: just was it was just really awkward to I agree.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: What about the one girl in her interview saying that
Speaker 1: a butt gland effectively contains all of the sort of.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, claiming the knowledge like it was something
Speaker 2: very amazing and exceptional to know. I was like that
Speaker 2: she knows this, like in the delaivery right.
Speaker 1: And I was suddenly up the dogs ass and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be like I was doing the dogs
Speaker 1: ass and I just like I was.
Speaker 3: I just was in a place where I didn't want
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cut to you're cut to You're on Safar and
Speaker 2: You're like anal glands. You're like looking up.
Speaker 1: Facts and you get arrested, and that's the last thing
Speaker 1: on your Google start hashtag buck Lands. Now, the women,
Speaker 1: many of them are beautiful and and they seem lovely
Speaker 1: and they seem nice, and I've met some of them
Speaker 1: and I like them. So I really want to tread
Speaker 1: lightly here because women are allowed to do whatever they want.
Speaker 1: They could filter, they can do it. But I'm really
Speaker 1: I was really struck by several of the women's over
Speaker 1: the top everything, like it wasn't it wasn't just the work,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the makeup. It was the extensions, the
Speaker 1: lash and lashes, the makeup beat like the conturing and
Speaker 1: the outfit, the ass like I didn't know where to
Speaker 1: look and I didn't know what it was right.
Speaker 2: I felt that too. It's like nothing about it seems real.
Speaker 4: And it's not that we should make them relatable, that
Speaker 4: they should aim to be relatable, but real. At the
Speaker 4: end of the day, when you feel like someone's been
Speaker 4: in three hours of hair and makeup and had a
Speaker 4: whole kiateam with fashion items come through, you feel like okay.
Speaker 4: So it makes it feel just so much more produced
Speaker 4: and not believable, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would assume that that's what happens now
Speaker 2: on these shows. I don't know compared to when you
Speaker 2: started and you were when you were doing in New
Speaker 2: York Bethony, but I'm sure it's just grown into something
Speaker 2: that is just beyond I mean, when there are parties
Speaker 2: like that, I would assume that you start five hours
Speaker 2: earlier and you're with your whole team and you're getting
Speaker 2: ready for this big, big thing and they're hiding microphones
Speaker 2: and they're doing this and it's a whole big producer.
Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that. Okay, So when I
Speaker 1: started back in my day, we had horse covered wagon.
Speaker 1: I mean, my studio apartment furnished by Ikea was where
Speaker 1: you would do those interviews. Now those are like they
Speaker 1: recreate your background and it's in a studio and agreed
Speaker 1: to all that kind of stuff. But the way that
Speaker 1: I look right now, like I did my own makeup.
Speaker 1: My hair's a little frizzy, I put you know, this
Speaker 1: is how I would look for the interviews, wearing like
Speaker 1: a cable knit Ralph Laurrene sweater that was probably bought
Speaker 1: on eBay because I it was broke then and and
Speaker 1: when you went to seeing same thing, I looked just
Speaker 1: like this. If I went to a big party, I
Speaker 1: would go to the counter at Bloomingdale's and buy a
Speaker 1: Liplus and I'm a scare for fruit. So I could
Speaker 1: get makeup for free. And it didn't matter who did it.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I just, you know, not the hair part. You get
Speaker 1: a thirty dollars blow dry. It was a big like
Speaker 1: finale and you went into your closet and you picked
Speaker 1: the first thing you saw and you put it on
Speaker 1: your body and it shows. And so I left after
Speaker 1: three seasons, So that was really.
Speaker 3: In the beginning.
Speaker 1: And I left and I came back three seasons later,
Speaker 1: which is now a long time ago, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that people were getting hair and makeup every day
Speaker 1: just to go get a manicure with someone. And it
Speaker 1: really bothered me. It's funny because it really bothered me
Speaker 1: because it wasn't real. I don't go get makeup done
Speaker 1: to go get my manicure today after being with you guys, like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to go to Starbucks.
Speaker 3: So it annoyed me.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it says something about me, but it
Speaker 1: felt like it felt like it was raising this bar
Speaker 1: that didn't need to be raised, that then's gonna make
Speaker 1: other women take it to the next level. And then
Speaker 1: Erica Jane came into Beverly Hills and she had all
Speaker 1: these crazy costumes and hairdews, and then Derey elevated with
Speaker 1: all these crazy hairdews, and then Kyle got into with
Speaker 1: the broad shoulder, and Lisa Renna, who used to have
Speaker 1: like a sh sheet dress and like short hair all
Speaker 1: the time she was wearing wigs, and it like it
Speaker 1: exploded the whole franchise Atlanta like every so now it's
Speaker 1: like you have to be at a ten because otherwise
Speaker 1: you're Denise Richards who showed up on the Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: season and was wearing shorts and a T shirt to
Speaker 1: go into someone else's hotel room on a balcony, which
Speaker 1: is entirely normal, but they were in ball gown like
Speaker 1: they were in crazy outfits to shoot on a balcony.
Speaker 1: So like you either look like you're wearing your pajama
Speaker 1: you got to do it, or don't like you're in
Speaker 1: or you're just like not doing the show.
Speaker 2: But now, but it's much more of a show now
Speaker 2: than it was before. I mean before it was it
Speaker 2: was documenting your lives and people that genuinely knew each
Speaker 2: other and were living these genuine lives that had careers
Speaker 2: and have things going on. Now it's like you, it
Speaker 2: appears like you have booked the job of being Oh
Speaker 2: you're on Housewives of Miami or Atlanta or so it's
Speaker 2: like it's like if I booked a show. Oh I'm
Speaker 2: on a sitcom now with Charlie Sheen. Like it's a
Speaker 2: very it is a production. You show up, if you're
Speaker 2: going to get up. It's you're doing a scene of
Speaker 2: waking up in the morning. So it's like you've got
Speaker 2: to get ready for that. You've got to go there
Speaker 2: and make up, pick out what your wardrobe is for
Speaker 2: waking up in bed. It's a different It's just it
Speaker 2: appears like it's a much different process.
Speaker 1: Fascinating, and you were on a show for years where
Speaker 1: you knew the game. And it's funny because you're an actor.
Speaker 1: And that's why this reality reckoning that I brought up
Speaker 1: is so interesting because it's about the fact that they're
Speaker 1: not part of a union, so they get to hide
Speaker 1: behind saying quote unquote it's reality when it's not, it's produced.
Speaker 1: It's a different being than years ago, even with like
Speaker 1: table flips and leg tosses and like even the drama
Speaker 1: is just way bigger and different. So there's this gray
Speaker 1: area where they get to produce it for so cheap
Speaker 1: because they get to really exploit people in the content
Speaker 1: and they're not even pt hected by scripted words. They
Speaker 1: say their own thing, or there's a hot mic, you're
Speaker 1: in the back, you're saying, I just I just slept
Speaker 1: with my nanny. And if there's a hot mic and
Speaker 1: you didn't want to be recorded just because you signed
Speaker 1: a release to be in that general party, that's now
Speaker 1: everybody's business. So there's a lot of risk and it's different.
Speaker 1: So it's funny that you just tapped into that and
Speaker 1: said that because you're an actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an amazing point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: So it also seems like it's a breeding ground for
Speaker 1: jealousy and competition. You just feel jealousy here. It's just like,
Speaker 1: I know that's the way it goes with a lot
Speaker 1: of these shows, but in this particular one, it felt
Speaker 1: more like it's really it wasn't a dog party, it
Speaker 1: was Caddy and it felt very like, really kill.
Speaker 3: Or be killed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt that too.
Speaker 4: But I think the nature of all the things have
Speaker 4: just spoken about about the bigger and better and the
Speaker 4: hair and the baker from the clothes, they created the
Speaker 4: storylines that it being you've booked a gig. It's it
Speaker 4: breeds competitiveness between the cost and that is just predominantly women.
Speaker 4: And now it's like, how can I be prettier than you?
Speaker 4: Is my husband better than you do? I have more
Speaker 4: money than you? Is my storyline stronger than you? And
Speaker 4: I don't think they necessarily are those people in life,
Speaker 4: but I think a show like this greads that because
Speaker 4: you want to be good at it, you want to
Speaker 4: be successful, you want to build a following, you want
Speaker 4: to do a great job, and that means you're trying
Speaker 4: to be the best, which means you're going to be competitive.
Speaker 4: And I think it just brings out not the best
Speaker 4: in people.
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe you just said that, because you
Speaker 1: literally just defined what it is, which is a zero
Speaker 1: same game. It is the Hunger Games. And there are
Speaker 1: people that I have said things to on these shows
Speaker 1: that I would love if I met them at a
Speaker 1: cocktail party. And just like I would love them like
Speaker 1: I love you. If you and I were on the
Speaker 1: show together, I might come for whatever the thing I
Speaker 1: knew was to come for, and you'd hit me because
Speaker 1: we were playing we were on Game of Thrones together,
Speaker 1: right exactly. So fascinating that you realize that, because yeah,
Speaker 1: at least with actors, you're playing another character, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that the jealousy behind the scenes comes between, but
Speaker 1: you've got a barrier between.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly. Yeah, very much like that with reality to
Speaker 2: what's really funny watching not funny, haha, but but amazing
Speaker 2: watching the show is how similar it was to like
Speaker 2: when we did nine O two one zero, but we
Speaker 2: would have photo shoots. We would have these cast days
Speaker 2: where it was like hair and makeup was done, wardrobe
Speaker 2: was done, who's standing where in the pictures? So it's
Speaker 2: a it's this is now a grander scale of that
Speaker 2: because in that instance, we weren't playing characters. We were
Speaker 2: being ourselves in these photo shoots, and you know who's
Speaker 2: whose trading card was coming out here, and who was
Speaker 2: seeing as this and who was and so it was
Speaker 2: very much about perception.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm dying you guys are giving
Speaker 1: me so much more than I even would have dreamed,
Speaker 1: like exactly because people put so much stock into like
Speaker 1: where we're standing. And I remember Lizenus Berkeley and Tiffany
Speaker 1: Thesson when I was working as a PA and say
Speaker 1: by the belt, it was like, why does she get
Speaker 1: to wear the sexy outfits? And I don't get to
Speaker 1: wear the sexy outfit? And then you're right in photoshoots,
Speaker 1: it's like I want to be in the center. Or
Speaker 1: even like if Bravo sends one person to London to
Speaker 1: do a PR tour, then everybody else Why did I
Speaker 1: get sent? Who's more famous? Who's booking more of this?
Speaker 1: Who's getting free shit?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So right, you had the barrier, and then you'd see
Speaker 1: those crazy days that are like every day is a
Speaker 1: house that's really very brilliant and insightful. And you see
Speaker 1: that they were referring back to another party and saying
Speaker 1: that one person suggested a game that was who do
Speaker 1: you trust the least?
Speaker 2: Who create tension? Is that? I mean that's like, that's
Speaker 2: like having a game where you're sitting with your kids
Speaker 2: and you're having a conversation of who is my favorite kid?
Speaker 2: It's never going to end. Well, yeah, you're just setting
Speaker 2: yourself up for you know, crazy tension and explosiveness, yeah,
Speaker 2: and feelings being hurt and it's your you're just setting
Speaker 2: But it makes sense in a show like that where
Speaker 2: it's it's all about those moments and that's the stuff
Speaker 2: that people want to tune into because it is so
Speaker 2: much bigger Day is, but it's you know.
Speaker 1: You're right, But I think it's like the weird plug,
Speaker 1: Like if they had had a game and they said
Speaker 1: who would you want with you in a fox hole?
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's positive and you'd still fuck somebody
Speaker 1: over at your dinner, But it's not so like a really.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think obvious for me is like that, oh, you're
Speaker 4: trying to create drama at this point, whereas there's maybe
Speaker 4: okay reality TV they want drama, they want things. There's
Speaker 4: probably a really nice lane in the middle day where
Speaker 4: you can still get to what you want as a producer,
Speaker 4: but not being so obvious and on the nose about it,
Speaker 4: Because that's where I think is a view. No matter
Speaker 4: how much you love the franchise, you kind of go
Speaker 4: all right, you know it's going to be a cat
Speaker 4: fight at the end of this one, but allow it
Speaker 4: to develop and come out. And also then these women
Speaker 4: don't like such oshols to each other, but you still
Speaker 4: get the end results.
Speaker 3: It's about the production.
Speaker 1: It's about not just going for the low hanging for
Speaker 1: you're right, because we would go on a journey that's
Speaker 1: actually interesting too. Wow. Okay, so we leave burkins and
Speaker 1: butt lifts and we go into the sort of Lenny
Speaker 1: Lisa story. Now, yeah, I've met them both. I was
Speaker 1: actually on a trip with them, a fifty person trip
Speaker 1: that someone invited us to go to the Galapagos, and
Speaker 1: they were, you know, they're very, very over the top.
Speaker 1: He does everyone's I think it's boobs. He's the boob guy.
Speaker 2: And which which is why the women were showing up.
Speaker 2: And it was like, look, the girls are here, and
Speaker 2: he was like, you, yes, they are. That's That's why
Speaker 2: I say.
Speaker 3: I didn't connect that. I thought, what the fuck? Like,
Speaker 3: can you imagine when.
Speaker 2: Who says that to somebody else? Bube guy, Then that
Speaker 2: makes sense. He's like, not pay by boobs the same way.
Speaker 1: I still I think it's weird to say, even right,
Speaker 1: because he was like he was he was awkward.
Speaker 3: He was awkward with it. He was like, Okay, well, I.
Speaker 4: Think scene and setting is everything for adoptor, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Especially in being professionally, you don't go
Speaker 4: out in a while and be like, oh, well look
Speaker 4: I did those tits.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You're in your doctor's surgery. You can look and touch
Speaker 4: and do the things you need to because it's clinical
Speaker 4: and it's a procedure outside of your surgery. I think
Speaker 4: then it becomes more of a sexual nature. And as
Speaker 4: a wife, I would still be like, no, like saying
Speaker 4: for your appointment. You know what I mean, You're at
Speaker 4: my body, my good vibes body. Stop talking about your
Speaker 4: breasts with my husband.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I also think that there, You're right.
Speaker 1: You're in a weird gown in a cold room, bad lighting,
Speaker 1: and you're taking your top of You're showing the human
Speaker 1: body your breast, whether at a party, your tips are up,
Speaker 1: your grease stuff looped up, wearing macrimeae Like, it's a
Speaker 1: totally different deal. Totally agree, Okay, agree to agree, Okay,
Speaker 1: agree to agree. So so I thought that was an
Speaker 1: awkward moment too. Now I'm the girls girl and I've like,
Speaker 1: I've met Lisa, and I like her. Every relationship, you know,
Speaker 1: people meet at the middle. I'm sure some people are
Speaker 1: seventy percent wrong, thirty percent wrong. It's not necessarily my business.
Speaker 1: And they ended up getting divorced, and he ended up
Speaker 1: getting engaged to someone else while they were still legally married,
Speaker 1: and it's a nasty divorce. And he's with someone else
Speaker 1: who's like young and hot and the whole cliche Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills thing that was being set up in the storyline
Speaker 1: of all the women he likes to have around.
Speaker 3: But that's someone else telling out side. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've met them. Both.
Speaker 1: They had they were having fun, very flashy, very cashy,
Speaker 1: very over the top, very hot, very the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Both of them liked to party and be social and the.
Speaker 3: Bling and all of it.
Speaker 1: So let's just put that to the side. The thing
Speaker 1: that I really want to know your opinion on, did
Speaker 1: he sign up for because he's been part of a
Speaker 1: reality show. Did he sign up for the airing of
Speaker 1: his dirty laundry on a hot mic in another room
Speaker 1: when he doesn't know that he's being filmed.
Speaker 2: I know, it's a really good question. So I was
Speaker 2: wondering that.
Speaker 4: As I was listening, it started off very hush, hushed
Speaker 4: in the way that I was speaking you until they
Speaker 4: don't really want to be heard. But when he's asked
Speaker 4: how you miked up, and he's like, why do you
Speaker 4: think I'm whispering? He literally said it like I'm saying
Speaker 4: it to you now, why do you think I'm Yeah,
Speaker 4: he didn't even like even whisper that lone, Like he
Speaker 4: barely whispered any of the others, so.
Speaker 2: It wasn't covering up his mic, and he was miked up,
Speaker 2: And I almost I almost felt when I was watching
Speaker 2: it like it was a way for him to move
Speaker 2: the ball the way he wanted to within the situation,
Speaker 2: but then claim that it was caught on a hot
Speaker 2: mic like it was more. It felt like almost more
Speaker 2: of a setup than like he actually was caught on
Speaker 2: a microphone talking about something he wouldn't have normally been
Speaker 2: talking about. I almost feel like he knew the cameras
Speaker 2: were walking away, so he could contell talking about it
Speaker 2: and it was maybe something that uh they would that
Speaker 2: the producers would get into and make something out of,
Speaker 2: but it was a much easier way for him to.
Speaker 4: Maybe but then do you think he will stepped into
Speaker 4: that role of I am a cheater? And yeah, idea
Speaker 4: visually about that, like the way that he said it
Speaker 4: was so casual on off the cuff.
Speaker 2: No, like I'm saying, yes, I have remorse, but.
Speaker 4: No, no, I feel other than I'm done and I'm
Speaker 4: with this other chick and you know, no, we don't
Speaker 4: sleep with each other, and I'm out, like very much.
Speaker 1: I having been through it, we are kind of told
Speaker 1: that if the camera's not on you, they really are
Speaker 1: not shooting you. And that's that's ninety nine point nine
Speaker 1: percent of the time. If the cat on The Apprentice,
Speaker 1: it's different. The camera's not on you. They want to
Speaker 1: catch you talking about the game and and and the
Speaker 1: task and things like that. On The Housewives, ninety nine
Speaker 1: point nine percent of the time, if the camera's not
Speaker 1: on you and you can forget, you have the mic out,
Speaker 1: like you know you have it on, but you think
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel real. If the camera's not on you,
Speaker 1: it just feels like what they're not letting. The guy's
Speaker 1: got the big box, he's turned me off, he's got
Speaker 1: a thousand different things like and they'll look at you.
Speaker 1: The sound guy and they're like, we're not on you
Speaker 1: right now, and you kind of just I'm sure I
Speaker 1: said a thousand things. I'm sure I've said stuff and
Speaker 1: I'm peeing. I'm sure I've had business conversations like you
Speaker 1: just you have the mic on all day. It's not
Speaker 1: like they're taking it on and off. And he's not
Speaker 1: a main character. And so it happened with a girl
Speaker 1: on New York Housewife. She wasn't even a housewife. She
Speaker 1: was a guest at a party of well, it's like
Speaker 1: over one hundred person party, and on a hot mic,
Speaker 1: she was in another room, not on camera, and said
Speaker 1: to a housewife what she really thought about the groom
Speaker 1: to be of Luanne. And they didn't speak for years
Speaker 1: because of it. And all she did was have her
Speaker 1: own private thoughts with someone else, which we've all done.
Speaker 1: If I had everything I've ever said on a mic,
Speaker 1: like about people that I love, like if I don't
Speaker 1: need Paul hearing every conversation you guys each other, don't
Speaker 1: need to hear each other's conversations when you're with your friends,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're not perfect, and I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's so fucking boring and he's on the cot like
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear me saying that. He'd be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's such a fucking pain in the ass. I mean,
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it like that, But that's in his head.
Speaker 1: So my thing is, if we're in New York together,
Speaker 1: we could be on a phone call and I can
Speaker 1: record what you're saying to me. I can record legal
Speaker 1: Does that mean that like I'm supposed to blast it
Speaker 1: out and I know that they're on a show, But like,
Speaker 1: I think Freud might have gotten in the way in
Speaker 1: a sense that like he kind of wanted to get
Speaker 1: caught so like sort of didn't care.
Speaker 2: That's what I was saying, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, but not like proactive like Gray, I will.
Speaker 2: The same thing. Even that you're telling about the story
Speaker 2: of the woman that wasn't even a regular on the
Speaker 2: show that was caught in the other room talking about
Speaker 2: a fiance in that whole story, It's like, I how
Speaker 2: much of that was now? Because you know now having
Speaker 2: done it for so long, that there are their technical
Speaker 2: aspects to it. Also, wireless microphones don't work with it,
Speaker 2: you know, within that much of a range, Like guys
Speaker 2: can be standing ten feet away from you and be
Speaker 2: like I need to get closer because I'm not getting
Speaker 2: the conversation clear enough. Yeah, so there's god, there has
Speaker 2: to be in a situation like that where you've got
Speaker 2: a party full of people that are micd how many
Speaker 2: people twenty.
Speaker 1: No, not even not even Yeah, maybe maybe on a
Speaker 1: big night like that, that'd be massive amount of mics.
Speaker 2: So so, like you said, then why if the cameras
Speaker 2: were off of him, was sound making sure that they
Speaker 2: were picking up the sound of what it is he
Speaker 2: was saying. If he was in a different room and
Speaker 2: the cameras were off of him, unless that was on
Speaker 2: some levels, some sort of assignment that was given like hey,
Speaker 2: this is how we're going to work this situation. Cameras
Speaker 2: are going to move on, but the cameras are going
Speaker 2: to do weird things like hide behind fountains, and we're
Speaker 2: like I was noticing as I was watching, I was like,
Speaker 2: what are the cameras ducking and hiding for if they're
Speaker 2: in a different unless they are trying to.
Speaker 3: Visually pretend create something you've directed.
Speaker 2: We go with this concept of oh it's a hot
Speaker 2: mic and it's something that's off set. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: how it was a weird like they were created, they
Speaker 2: were falsely created, hitting a sense of something. It's so
Speaker 2: awkward to watch. It did feel awkward to watch for sure.
Speaker 2: It's not like the cameras walked out of the room
Speaker 2: and then went back to the party to like, you know,
Speaker 2: see what was going on. It was like, what are
Speaker 2: you hiding behind like a rock water you know, feature
Speaker 2: for and like and you know, bushes crying like it
Speaker 2: was a whole weird.
Speaker 3: It's so true.
Speaker 4: Yes, I wonder if there's a thing like there was
Speaker 4: one season on Dancing with the Styles where they had
Speaker 4: these just cameras set up through our studios. So normally
Speaker 4: it's just the ones that are in the room with
Speaker 4: us and the guys with the cameras, but they had
Speaker 4: one season and actually they caught Kim Johnson at the
Speaker 4: time and Robert Herschelback kissing for the first time on.
Speaker 2: One of these like basically hidden cameras. They can do these.
Speaker 4: Things on reality. Maybe there was they're knowing that something's
Speaker 4: going to come up. They maybe hearing way that he's
Speaker 4: going to talk about it or that something is going on.
Speaker 5: And so they set up I don't want to say traps,
Speaker 5: but traps like opportunities to catch this audio and someone's
Speaker 5: listening for it, And I think there's so many ways
Speaker 5: it can go.
Speaker 4: I don't want to accuse him of being like outwardly
Speaker 4: saying and I would love to think he wants to
Speaker 4: have some discretion about it.
Speaker 1: Well, if that other guy is miked, then you're right,
Speaker 1: because that other guy is not a character that would
Speaker 1: ever be miked. So that's actually you're giving me a
Speaker 1: smoking If the other guy was MICD, that's not a
Speaker 1: guy that they would prioritize at the beginning of a shoot.
Speaker 1: We're going to make that guy too, unless they thought
Speaker 1: something was coming down the pike, right. And the other
Speaker 1: topic that I think is interesting that I found out
Speaker 1: on an earlier season of Housewives is that, like I
Speaker 1: assume that everybody wants to know now in America, like
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, sixty percent of divorce, not everybody
Speaker 1: can afford to get divorced. Not everybody wants to know, Like,
Speaker 1: not everybody wants So even though it's great that we
Speaker 1: all outed Lenny as the scumbag cheater, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of cheaters. There are cheaters that aren't even cheaters.
Speaker 1: That it's an open relationship, we just keep it quiet.
Speaker 1: There are many dynamics, and so it brought up the
Speaker 1: question of where is the line? And yes, these people
Speaker 1: signed up for this, although he's not paid as a character,
Speaker 1: so he's not paid. He's signed up as the wife's
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, he's not paid. And so now he's
Speaker 1: in another room and the camera's not on him, and
Speaker 1: where's the line of like, is there any line of ethics?
Speaker 1: There's I mean, there is no There are no ethics
Speaker 1: on reality television because there's nothing they wouldn't put forward.
Speaker 3: So is there a line.
Speaker 1: Of that even though I'm team Lisa and all that,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the concept. Yeah, and somebody might
Speaker 1: not want to know, Like it could have been he's
Speaker 1: doing this, but it might have taken six more months
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and it might not have exploded in
Speaker 1: the way that it didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think, as you said, I don't think there
Speaker 4: is in line with reality television. But maybe something that
Speaker 4: could have possibly hypothetically pushed him to air is whatever
Speaker 4: he's been sleeping with.
Speaker 2: What if this woman.
Speaker 4: Was like, I know you're doing this show and with
Speaker 4: your wife, but what about me and putting the pressure
Speaker 4: on him to just say it, just say.
Speaker 1: He did it in a way that was awkward, like
Speaker 1: it also didn't land like he would have preferred to
Speaker 1: just publicly say I'm in love with someone, but for
Speaker 1: some reason, it put Yeah. I do think freud gets involved.
Speaker 1: I think pushing something into the show. I think it's
Speaker 1: a mixture of all of it. But it's an interesting concept.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine not knowing that something was filmed and
Speaker 1: six months later it lands on television. You did not
Speaker 1: realize you were on a hot mic.
Speaker 2: That's not Lisa watching it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, that's just, Oh, that's horrible seeing that play back,
Speaker 4: because that's that's humiliating at the end of the day
Speaker 4: to be there talking about him, talking about there in
Speaker 4: such a good place Lisa, Right, Lenny and Lisa.
Speaker 1: Yes, But it's funny because you see the scenes from
Speaker 1: the next week when she's saying we're about to get divorced.
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't like six months later this came out
Speaker 1: next week on the show. Something came out, So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he realized it. Maybe the producers told her, I
Speaker 1: don't know they want Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, like do you get to the end
Speaker 2: of that moment as as Lenny and and you turn
Speaker 2: to the to everybody that's involved behind the scenes, and
Speaker 2: you go, was that good? Good? Good job? Everybody got
Speaker 2: what they like? You know, how how manufactured is it?
Speaker 1: I can't see a world where he would want that
Speaker 1: to be public in that right.
Speaker 2: I can't either necessarily. But who crazy?
Speaker 3: It's around culture we don't know. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean the dude, you know when they throw house parties.
Speaker 2: They were talking about that, like she throws it more
Speaker 2: with friends and people she knows, and he throws he's married,
Speaker 2: but he throws these big ragers with like tons of
Speaker 2: models and topless people and boots and yeah, as you said,
Speaker 2: was the setup you know what I mean for what comes.
Speaker 3: Amazing? And then you I just want you know that.
Speaker 1: Do you know that Larza is an relationship with Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's son. Now is that in your has that hit
Speaker 1: your radar?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So Larsa Pippen, you know she was with Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's her ex. Now she's dating Michael Jordan's son, Yes, son.
Speaker 2: So Scotty and Michael Jordan were on the Bulls together,
Speaker 2: right Scotty. Now Scotty was Jordan's like number one guy.
Speaker 3: Like that was like Gronk and Brady.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. Yeah, it's like, yeah, loyalty day.
Speaker 4: You know, I imagine that Michael Jordan has a real
Speaker 4: struggle with that for shure.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, okay, you get it. Then.
Speaker 1: So Scotty's X is now dating Jordan's son, not dating
Speaker 1: that's serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they have a podcast together here too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just giving a little tea. Oh my god, you got
Speaker 1: that was so But at some point we'll have to
Speaker 1: like talk about you guys and like, can I just
Speaker 1: know how you guys met?
Speaker 2: Well for another time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the show story is a mutual business manager had
Speaker 4: a moment of like, think you should meet this person
Speaker 4: with both of us, And it was a weird request
Speaker 4: from a business manager who was not a.
Speaker 2: Cuban by any means, but fantastic with your finances.
Speaker 4: And it was like, Okay, that's almost so random and
Speaker 4: so weird that I feel like I have to say yesterday,
Speaker 4: yeah and ago, So three years ago, now, three years ago,
Speaker 4: we ended up at Peddler's book in Calabasas and we
Speaker 4: had coffee and we ended up losing time, stay there
Speaker 4: for five hours, talking about everything.
Speaker 2: The easiest conversation it was during It was during COVID,
Speaker 2: So it was so nice to just be able to
Speaker 2: have a real conversation with somebody we were both enjoying.
Speaker 2: We were both in a place where I had really
Speaker 2: gotten through and felt great about the divorce and the
Speaker 2: way everything had sort of worked out. And Toronto had
Speaker 2: been single for five years at this point, so we
Speaker 2: had both really been therapy and working on the people
Speaker 2: we wanted to be. So when we met, we were
Speaker 2: on this very sort of common path together. It was
Speaker 2: there were completely different, you know, different ends of it,
Speaker 2: but we we just had so much to talk about
Speaker 2: in common. Yeah, and you're saying.
Speaker 3: The relationship could breathe because neither of you had big agendas.
Speaker 3: It was COVID. It was just sit still.
Speaker 2: There was no agendas.
Speaker 4: And we'd also COVID or not, I think reached that
Speaker 4: point in our lives where it was like I don't
Speaker 4: need anyone.
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'd love to share with someone. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was like we were we were getting together and we
Speaker 2: were having coffee and and our business manager, I had
Speaker 2: just started. I was working on a show called Mass Dancer.
Speaker 2: I was working on the panel of that. Sharna comes
Speaker 2: from Dancing with the Stars, so so our business manager
Speaker 2: sell to Sharna was, Oh, he's working on a dancing show,
Speaker 2: so if anything, you have some dancing stuff.
Speaker 4: To talk, right, And it was like, but we talked
Speaker 4: about no dancing whatsoever. We just got into talking as
Speaker 4: people and it was it was awesome, And we did
Speaker 4: that five times before we kissed for the first time
Speaker 4: and really went there.
Speaker 2: We took our time basically to get to know each other.
Speaker 2: No one was in a crush.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it was really great about is you know,
Speaker 4: people talk about fire and spock and this and love
Speaker 4: of first site. There is that, but this was so
Speaker 4: easy and steady and calm and natural and safe.
Speaker 2: Yes, but just I think easy is the word I
Speaker 2: can give it.
Speaker 4: Well, it didn't feel like it was going to be
Speaker 4: a roller car study, but like it was going to
Speaker 4: be consistency.
Speaker 2: And we had really fun conversations with each other. Early on.
Speaker 2: We would ask my right, much like who's your favorite child.
Speaker 2: We would have conversations about what's your worst quality? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And we would get into those things with each other
Speaker 2: so we never really had that honeymoon period going into this.
Speaker 2: We had aired all of that, and we were coming
Speaker 2: from a very uh a very like responsible, open, natural
Speaker 2: place with each other. We weren't. It wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 2: a date. We didn't go there dressed, you know, in
Speaker 2: our best stuff and make up done and ready for
Speaker 2: show time. It was like we showed at at a
Speaker 2: coffee place and we had breakfast and.
Speaker 3: An abandoned house. I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it wouldn't have terrible boring you Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's but it's a great it's I wish that we
Speaker 2: would have filmed it for ourselves because it would have
Speaker 2: been interesting to watch and and to error later on our.
Speaker 1: That would be funny. You're like, hey, this is weird.
Speaker 1: I just want to just sign a release.
Speaker 2: I just I was you're okay, he's over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got mine.
Speaker 2: To see what you're wearing because I'm going to hide
Speaker 2: a microphone, so I just need yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, I call I call that show. You're crazy early.
Speaker 1: I love that, Like warts and all, are where are
Speaker 1: you from? And are you from Australia?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Australia, Sydney Australia. Australia, the country town.
Speaker 3: Yeah you go, do you guys go?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I've never been to Australia before, and so
Speaker 2: we went. And then we had the opportunity to go
Speaker 2: to Laga and see that. We went to the Australia Zoo.
Speaker 2: The Irwin family took care of there. We were in
Speaker 2: Sydney most of the time. All the kids came with,
Speaker 2: so it was it was a real fun family trip.
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
Speaker 4: We rented a house in Cromorn Point which has a
Speaker 4: view of the Harbor Bridge and the Opera House, the
Speaker 4: whole home.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking at the opera I'm so glad you gave
Speaker 1: me a humble brunt. I'm speaking at the Opera House
Speaker 1: and in April.
Speaker 2: That's amazing And I don't even know.
Speaker 1: What it is, but I I other people have said
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So I just keep regurgitating and hoping.
Speaker 3: People are like, no, what.
Speaker 2: That neighbor, You've never been to the Opera House.
Speaker 1: That's where we've been in the water by the harbor right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen it, Yeah exactly. I did a launch there
Speaker 1: years ago. But like I'm speaking to several a couple
Speaker 1: of thousand people, and in my third Australia trip, I
Speaker 1: feel like I love Australia and it's it's a real
Speaker 1: big trip, but like it's so worth it.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 2: Ever done the zoo? Are you an animal?
Speaker 1: I did the zoo, I did the climbing thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm a big ada.
Speaker 2: Did you You walked over the bridge and did that
Speaker 2: whole thing bridge stage. I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: So I never wasn't that.
Speaker 3: It was fine we did.
Speaker 2: Everybody said it's like this big thing, and I was like,
Speaker 2: here we went. We went like great white shark diving
Speaker 2: off off the coast of Mexico at Guadaloupe Island. So
Speaker 2: I was like, if you can do that, you can
Speaker 2: walk over the bridge. There's steps and you're shot n
Speaker 2: two different things.
Speaker 3: Like the Kimberly it's the Kimberly Islands.
Speaker 1: I know these people that have that company passed Blay,
Speaker 1: you know at the Pearl company if you heard of it,
Speaker 1: papsolet passed by. They control they controlled like ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the pearls in the whole world. Like, and they
Speaker 1: invited me on this crazy boat trip, but it got
Speaker 1: canceled twice. Because of pandemic where they control those waters
Speaker 1: and they go pearl forming and like I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to go to Kimberly's is like where they do sports
Speaker 1: illustrated things. It's like beautiful anyway, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just connect to that place. So it's going to be
Speaker 1: my third time. And I always say yes when there's
Speaker 1: a trip there, and it's certainly not easy, but I'm excited.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to Melbourne and Sydney and I'm going
Speaker 1: in and I'm bringing my daughter.
Speaker 3: So I'm thrilled. Love you guys are great. I'm so
Speaker 3: excited so much for.
Speaker 2: Having us on again. I I've been a huge fan
Speaker 2: of yours for a long time. I think what you
Speaker 2: do is amazing. I know the work that you've done
Speaker 2: has been incredible, And hopefully you'll come on our podcast.
Speaker 3: At some quick also, I would love it.
Speaker 2: Then we'll get out of the we'll get out of
Speaker 2: the weeds of Real Housewives.
Speaker 3: No, we can talk about relationships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we we sort of. That's that's what we do.
Speaker 2: We kind of find topics every week and we really
Speaker 2: get into the deep on those and it's a two
Speaker 2: episode a week kind of thing. We we have a
Speaker 2: new episode on Tuesdays and then Thursday is a follow
Speaker 2: up where people can actually call it live or they
Speaker 2: can submit questions and we really get into co parenting
Speaker 2: and disappointment and I did sin is the one we're
Speaker 2: doing this week, Like we're really trying to get do
Speaker 2: a deep dive into these things because it's so you know,
Speaker 2: it's so helpful for people like yourself to tell stories
Speaker 2: and people realize, oh god, I'm not alone in what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the conversation can breathe here and you can
Speaker 1: say different things that you can't see elsewhere.
Speaker 2: So awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm one.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Bethany. It was really really amazing hanging with
Speaker 4: you today.
Speaker 3: Thank you have a great day.
Speaker 2: By ye Bank.
Speaker 1: That was wonderful. They were amazing. What a beautiful couple.
Speaker 1: What a great conversation. Uh, he's really funny. I just
Speaker 1: and they were so insightful, Like they were so insightful,
Speaker 1: Like it was good to play tennis with a better
Speaker 1: tennis player. I really enjoyed that. It was just good
Speaker 1: to have someone get it. They were fascinating, really love them. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You just get to know people that you
Speaker 1: have just heard about in your periphery and couldn't say
Speaker 1: better things.
Speaker 3: I'm excited it for.
Speaker 1: Their podcast, so check that out because it seems like
Speaker 1: it's going to be very deep and amazing.
Speaker 2: Yay