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Speaker 1: Welcome to Miami, where the weather is hot and the

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Speaker 1: hot mic is on fire. Lisa Hawksteine's divorce from her

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Speaker 1: husband Lenny has been very public, but this is where

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Speaker 1: it all started with one of the most insane hot

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Speaker 1: mic moments, and the Housewives franchise actor Brian Austin Green

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Speaker 1: and professional ballroom dancer Sharna Burgess are breaking down the

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Speaker 1: episode with me. This is real Housewives of Miami Season five,

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Speaker 1: Episode four, Hot Mike in Miami. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Bethany, Bethany, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I I'm great.

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Speaker 1: I'm stunned that part of my childhood pop culture life

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Speaker 1: is coming to fruition and this is real. And I

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Speaker 1: was last night. I was walking to my toaster, as

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Speaker 1: I often do because I am a big toaster of things.

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Speaker 2: You were telling you, wait, wait, you were talking to

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Speaker 2: your toaster. You were walking.

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Speaker 3: No, I was walking to my toaster.

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Speaker 1: I do because but I do because it's a smeg

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Speaker 1: and when you press it and the bagel flies out,

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Speaker 1: I catch it and I go, yes, you ever catch it?

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Speaker 1: So I actually do talk to my toaster.

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Speaker 2: What kind do you have that actually pops the toast meg?

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Speaker 2: The air meg?

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Speaker 1: It gets like probably like two inches and it's a catch.

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Speaker 3: You have to catch it. It's not you gotta time.

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Speaker 3: So you hit me Jack, Can you catch Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 3: send you one. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So I was walking and I guess talking

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Speaker 1: to my toaster, and I was like, like, let's not

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Speaker 1: be jaded and respectfully sean, like I was a nine

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Speaker 1: or two, and I mean so I was just like,

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Speaker 1: let's not be jaded, Like what the fuck? Like part

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Speaker 1: of my childhood I watched TV. I was dreaming of

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Speaker 1: just big dreams and being somebody, and you guys were

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Speaker 1: living this life and being in Hollywood, I mean Hollywood

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Speaker 1: and Beverly Hills and famous and like on this fun

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Speaker 1: show and sunshine and beauty. And I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god. And then I'm like, he's coming on tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So thank you. I'm humbled and excited.

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Speaker 2: First of all, thank you wasn't nearly as sunny and

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Speaker 2: nice in Van Eyes, where we actually shot the show

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Speaker 2: as it appeared when you were watching the episodes, and

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Speaker 2: yet we've I was shocked. I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: You and I have never met. I've seen you everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and so the fact that we've never run into each

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Speaker 2: other and anything is surprising to me, but I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge fan. I love I love what you do

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Speaker 2: and the fun with it, and I love the fact

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Speaker 2: that you talk about just real stuff and what is

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Speaker 2: going on in your life.

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Speaker 4: Also do so much good work for people and try

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Speaker 4: and help with causes, and we're so aligned with that.

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Speaker 4: And so it's really me as a woman, really inspirational

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Speaker 4: and amazing what you do, what you do with your platform.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I want to be you and I

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Speaker 2: grow up Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you, And you've got congratulations on

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Speaker 1: your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. They're a great team. We're like, they're a

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Speaker 3: great team to work with. Honestly, it's like, you feel great.

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Speaker 1: It's weird because if you're used to working in the

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Speaker 1: more traditional Hollywood entertainment space like you have, it's weird

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Speaker 1: to just kind of be able to talk about what

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Speaker 1: you want to do what you want like it's it's bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 4: And we're also learning that, like we want to be

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Speaker 4: vulnerable and open and transparent and share these things that

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Speaker 4: we very much experience that I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: people don't understand that we experience. We don't think we

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Speaker 4: do because life looks shiny and bright and wonderful, but

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Speaker 4: we all experience things like disappointment. This week, we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about addiction. There's so many things that people.

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Speaker 2: Can relate to. Talked about co parenting in our last

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Speaker 2: in our last episode. So we're really trying to touch

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Speaker 2: on the things that every day people are dealing with

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis, and and we're trying to lead

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Speaker 2: by example as far as just sort of what our

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Speaker 2: life has been like and the things that we've dealt with.

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Speaker 2: It's people don't realize how much we have in common

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Speaker 2: with people. They assume that because our lives are they

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Speaker 2: appear to be shiny and they appear to be much

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Speaker 2: bigger that that those problems don't exist. And it's it's

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Speaker 2: all relative, it's all relative, it's all different.

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Speaker 1: You know, dynamics, Human dynamics are the same. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: money helps and changes things, but human dynamics are similar.

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Speaker 1: When you've gone through something like illness or you know,

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Speaker 3: Or a bad divorce.

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Speaker 1: I was married for two years and it took me

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Speaker 1: ten years to get divorced, and it was I came

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Speaker 1: from a very abusive and toxic childhood and that that

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Speaker 1: has nothing on what that tenure.

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Speaker 3: Divorce did to me.

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Speaker 2: It was it was torture.

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Speaker 1: So I've talked about that. But like people I thought

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Speaker 1: not know what could happen, Like I did not know

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Speaker 1: what could go down in a divorce. And it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter who's the moneyed person or not. If one person

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Speaker 1: is so slow and methodical that it's like playing a

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Speaker 1: very slow golf game that you just have to go

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Speaker 1: think you're there and then you're not. It's it's traumatizing

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Speaker 1: and people don't get it. And it's not sexy and

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Speaker 1: cute and romantic to talk about being smart when you

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Speaker 3: But you have to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I know, yeah, even through the ship.

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Speaker 1: So okay, So have you watched The Housewives ever?

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Speaker 2: We did. We watched the episode absolutely lost Bethany. Because

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Speaker 2: housewives shows are not something that we tend to fall

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Speaker 1: Never It's okay because I don't watch I'm I've watched

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Speaker 1: a part of a Miami episode before too.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen this show myself.

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Speaker 2: So then we're all up for the challenge of this.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I watched this episode and I know

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Speaker 1: the genre in the medium obviously, it's like, but I'm

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Speaker 1: saying you've watched scripted television shows about teens before you've

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Speaker 1: been on it. But I'm saying it's still this is

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Speaker 1: a different story. So this is the first Housewives episode

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually no, it's not. So I watched I watched

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Speaker 2: New York. I saw you when you were when you

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Speaker 2: were starting everything and everything that was going on. But

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Speaker 2: there's going onto the uh the Peacock app It's unbelievable

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Speaker 2: how many iterations of Housewives there are. Now there's like

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Speaker 2: twenty different shits that are doing And so I had

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, okay, so let's get into it. I'll drive.

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Speaker 1: So you guys don't have to get into any sort

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Speaker 1: of trouble. It'll be more, you know, I'll be the

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Speaker 1: really harsher opinionated on before. But all right, so we

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Speaker 1: start off and there's a woman in scrubs. Yes, what

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Speaker 1: seems like a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars car.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's a Rolls Rice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's either the Dawn or there's another one

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Speaker 1: there too. I don't know if it's like a ghost

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Speaker 3: And fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The car game in LA is insane, and but it's

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Speaker 2: Car game in Miami is way crazier than it is

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It is, okay, because if you go to like Val Harbor,

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Speaker 1: it's nuts. You go to any of those hotels. So

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Speaker 1: you're saying it's way crazier than LA.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, judging by what we saw. I know

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Speaker 2: it's a small piece, so you know, I'm sure it's

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Speaker 2: not all like that, but.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, I agree.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Zoe Day, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 4: it's about the full itself that I think could be

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a little more hot shot performative, like fascinating

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Speaker 1: because LA is so like that, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that. We'll get into like the work because

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Speaker 1: the work is evident. And I was thinking about LA

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Speaker 1: and if I were on a show like that, meaning

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Speaker 1: little bit like it. Your accent change is a little

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Speaker 3: Change a little.

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Speaker 1: And I definitely don't think I can handle being on

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Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills or Miami, like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It is very fashioned, forward and gam and bigger

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you saw your doctor pulling out of the

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Speaker 1: parking lot in a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars car,

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Speaker 1: would would you feel like you were paying too much?

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Speaker 1: She's an anesthesiologist, her husband is an attorney, all right,

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Speaker 1: So that's a lot of anesthesia.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: Well to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that guy's gonna be a big lawyer. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, So were you surprised to see Martina never Tulova

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Speaker 2: I was right, yes, I didn't even realize. So we

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Speaker 2: that for sure is Martine and that was a little

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Speaker 2: but I was like, I can't imagine she would be

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Speaker 2: doing a show, a house live show in Miami, and

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Speaker 2: but she seems very sort of distant and disconnected from it.

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Speaker 1: Like it's okay, so exactly okay, So it's funny you

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Speaker 1: first of all, I was at the Soho House in

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Speaker 1: Miami on a day that the producers were meeting with

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Speaker 1: Martina and Nevertelova's wife, and I remember them saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: she's one of the new housewives, Martina never Tulova, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, what, Martina never Totelova is going to

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Speaker 1: was saying to them I want to do what Bethany's done,

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Speaker 1: which is really flattering. But I remember this day before

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Speaker 1: they had ever shot, and in watching this, I thought of, now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm sure they're still together.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're happy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about their relationship, but in watching it,

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Speaker 1: it felt a little bit like, sometimes this one spouse

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Speaker 1: feels like they have to give the other spouse something

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Speaker 1: because Martina and Avertilova, I guess it seems like has

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Speaker 1: a big, full career and her wife seems like she's

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Speaker 1: going through something and she doesn't have enough purpose in

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Speaker 1: the kids. She's an empty nester, and kind of you

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Speaker 1: want to give them something, whether it's a business or

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Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, I am now fifty years old. I have

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Speaker 1: You just keep having you keep having kids. You're like

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Speaker 2: So, Beth, I don't like your tongue. I have issue

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Speaker 3: I didn't know you had five kids. Yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: That'll be your swan song. Yeah, so you.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Because I think and you would be better. You're the

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Speaker 3: Like what are we doing? What am I doing? What

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Speaker 2: lived a long life, like up until fifty, and so

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Speaker 2: if I look at this concept of Okay, this is

441
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Speaker 2: the second part of my life. The first part of

442
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: my life was so long. I did so many things. Finally,

443
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 2: from being an infant to now it's right a whole

444
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: another one of those. But I get to start at

445
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: a point where I'm confident in myself and I'm comfortable

446
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 2: and I'm excited about life and I really have a

447
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: much better sense of who I am and how to

448
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: live it. Then I then, God, I can't. I it's

449
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: such a blessing that I guess. I go.

450
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Speaker 1: I agree, And I think that if you get to

451
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: the point where you feel like nobody has getting up

452
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: to like in your thirty twenties, thirties, forties, so many

453
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: people have something that you want, whether it's a job,

454
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity, it's this, it's to not money. You know,

455
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: when you get to a point where it's like nobody

456
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 1: has anything I want, it's interesting. You're like doing what

457
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: you want to do because you want to do it

458
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: because you love it. It just shifts everything the reasons

459
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Speaker 1: and and you kind of just want to have purpose,

460
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Speaker 1: but define yourself what that purpose is.

461
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know.

462
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: So speaking of purpose, so dog party, I feel like

463
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Speaker 1: it's not a Beverly Hills type thing like or no, like,

464
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: have you ever seen this in your life?

465
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Speaker 3: Have you heard of this? I feel like my dog

466
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 3: fashion show.

467
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Speaker 2: I've never been to one. I've never been invited to one. Yeah,

468
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: I've never seen one. Yeah, I've never heard of one.

469
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: So how you like produced like this is we need

470
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: something to fill the show? Is that what you're getting?

471
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: It's I or something to fill time? You know, I

472
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like living in Miami having the

473
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: person that you are with making all of the money

474
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: and you've gotten nothing but time at that point, Yeah,

475
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: a dog party makes absolute sense.

476
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Speaker 4: Interesting what made me sort of grow hum? You know,

477
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 4: it just it something didn't sit well with me. It

478
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 4: was just like really, And I think the point that

479
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: you just made so beautifully is that that I feel

480
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Speaker 4: like that's not a great representation of women, especially when

481
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 4: how far we've come. And I'm sure all of those

482
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 4: women in that scene are capable of way more than

483
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Speaker 4: a dog party at a beach with champagne talking about

484
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Speaker 4: butt lifts.

485
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Speaker 2: But that was the thing that we got given, you know.

486
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: Right, and that could be heavily produced. And also because

487
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: I think Larsa Pippen Scottie Pippens ex she had a

488
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: dog product or something she was plugging and listen, I

489
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: invented the plug on this franchise, Like I literally started it.

490
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: I am the one who capitalized it on it the

491
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: most by far. So I'm going to say that, but

492
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: your plugs have to land. And the weird awkward bringing

493
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: out the box on the beach and the awkward plugs

494
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Speaker 1: did not land like that. So I am Ramona who's

495
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: a woman on New York used to have these like

496
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: weird not Secuitor, right yeah, or the skincare or the crosses.

497
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Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean you shouldn't have a product. You

498
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: gotta have. Your plug has to land.

499
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Speaker 1: The vehicle for the promotion is a gift in an art,

500
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: It's like being an awkward door to door salesperson because

501
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: somebody's good at it and someone's not.

502
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Speaker 3: And this was a fail in the awkward plug department.

503
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Speaker 4: Do you bill that may be happening because she felt

504
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 4: awkward bringing it out. Oh, like it was almost like

505
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 4: what would be great is if we do this and

506
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: then you bring your product out.

507
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a wireless fence to keep dogs on.

508
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: I was just going to say that they're out at

509
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: the beach having a dog birthday party. But then she's

510
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: talking to them about this new product that is, you

511
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: set up a boundary around where you are and you

512
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: put a collar on your dog and it keeps them

513
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: within a certain it keeps them close enough to apparently

514
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: pee on all of your birth.

515
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Speaker 1: Okay, so here's what I would have DoD that's my product.

516
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: First of all, I would have had insisted the parties

517
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Speaker 1: not at the beach, It's at my home or a home,

518
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: and I would have installed the device and shown in

519
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 1: nature or get your partner to create a boundary at

520
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: the beach. They had cleared rights to film there, so

521
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: I would have created a small boundary and I would

522
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, look how crazy this was,

523
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: because I would have been exhibiting the product not only

524
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Speaker 1: to the people but the audience, but an awkward the

525
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: the box on the beach was as awkward as the

526
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: heels in the sand, and it was just like cringe.

527
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: So agreed, didn't land? And yeah? So okay? And yeah

528
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: that and the decked out like.

529
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Speaker 2: What I saw, decorations that were the same that were

530
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Speaker 2: here at my house for my fiftieth birthday. Party on

531
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Speaker 2: the beach, and I was like, I was like, I

532
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: had that. I'm a grown man. He turned fifty and

533
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: this dog that's turning one had the exact same decorations.

534
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Speaker 3: But he's a king.

535
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: He is a king.

536
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: He's king, so I mean.

537
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: His name is king, right, yeah, decorations. He's doing pretty well. Yeah,

538
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: and he doesn't love guards looks right. Yeah.

539
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: The goat thing, it's it's just we don't have to.

540
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 1: It's a pretty goat though.

541
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Speaker 2: The blue eyes, I get it. I've actually had those.

542
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: I love them. But it was the whole thing was

543
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: just was it was just really awkward to I agree.

544
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: I agree.

545
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: What about the one girl in her interview saying that

546
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: a butt gland effectively contains all of the sort of.

547
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, claiming the knowledge like it was something

548
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: very amazing and exceptional to know. I was like that

549
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: she knows this, like in the delaivery right.

550
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: And I was suddenly up the dogs ass and I

551
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: didn't want to be like I was doing the dogs

552
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: ass and I just like I was.

553
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: I just was in a place where I didn't want

554
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: to go.

555
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, cut to you're cut to You're on Safar and

556
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: You're like anal glands. You're like looking up.

557
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: Facts and you get arrested, and that's the last thing

558
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: on your Google start hashtag buck Lands. Now, the women,

559
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: many of them are beautiful and and they seem lovely

560
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: and they seem nice, and I've met some of them

561
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: and I like them. So I really want to tread

562
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: lightly here because women are allowed to do whatever they want.

563
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: They could filter, they can do it. But I'm really

564
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I was really struck by several of the women's over

565
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: the top everything, like it wasn't it wasn't just the work,

566
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the makeup. It was the extensions, the

567
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: lash and lashes, the makeup beat like the conturing and

568
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: the outfit, the ass like I didn't know where to

569
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: look and I didn't know what it was right.

570
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: I felt that too. It's like nothing about it seems real.

571
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: And it's not that we should make them relatable, that

572
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: they should aim to be relatable, but real. At the

573
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 4: end of the day, when you feel like someone's been

574
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: in three hours of hair and makeup and had a

575
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 4: whole kiateam with fashion items come through, you feel like okay.

576
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 4: So it makes it feel just so much more produced

577
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 4: and not believable, I think.

578
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I would assume that that's what happens now

579
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: on these shows. I don't know compared to when you

580
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 2: started and you were when you were doing in New

581
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: York Bethony, but I'm sure it's just grown into something

582
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: that is just beyond I mean, when there are parties

583
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: like that, I would assume that you start five hours

584
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: earlier and you're with your whole team and you're getting

585
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: ready for this big, big thing and they're hiding microphones

586
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: and they're doing this and it's a whole big producer.

587
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that. Okay, So when I

588
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: started back in my day, we had horse covered wagon.

589
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, my studio apartment furnished by Ikea was where

590
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: you would do those interviews. Now those are like they

591
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: recreate your background and it's in a studio and agreed

592
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: to all that kind of stuff. But the way that

593
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: I look right now, like I did my own makeup.

594
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: My hair's a little frizzy, I put you know, this

595
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: is how I would look for the interviews, wearing like

596
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: a cable knit Ralph Laurrene sweater that was probably bought

597
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: on eBay because I it was broke then and and

598
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: when you went to seeing same thing, I looked just

599
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: like this. If I went to a big party, I

600
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: would go to the counter at Bloomingdale's and buy a

601
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Liplus and I'm a scare for fruit. So I could

602
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: get makeup for free. And it didn't matter who did it.

603
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: I didn't.

604
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I just, you know, not the hair part. You get

605
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: a thirty dollars blow dry. It was a big like

606
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: finale and you went into your closet and you picked

607
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: the first thing you saw and you put it on

608
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: your body and it shows. And so I left after

609
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: three seasons, So that was really.

610
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: In the beginning.

611
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: And I left and I came back three seasons later,

612
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: which is now a long time ago, and I couldn't

613
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: believe that people were getting hair and makeup every day

614
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: just to go get a manicure with someone. And it

615
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: really bothered me. It's funny because it really bothered me

616
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: because it wasn't real. I don't go get makeup done

617
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: to go get my manicure today after being with you guys, like,

618
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't need to go to Starbucks.

619
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: So it annoyed me.

620
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it says something about me, but it

621
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: felt like it felt like it was raising this bar

622
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: that didn't need to be raised, that then's gonna make

623
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: other women take it to the next level. And then

624
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Erica Jane came into Beverly Hills and she had all

625
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: these crazy costumes and hairdews, and then Derey elevated with

626
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: all these crazy hairdews, and then Kyle got into with

627
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: the broad shoulder, and Lisa Renna, who used to have

628
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: like a sh sheet dress and like short hair all

629
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: the time she was wearing wigs, and it like it

630
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: exploded the whole franchise Atlanta like every so now it's

631
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: like you have to be at a ten because otherwise

632
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: you're Denise Richards who showed up on the Beverly Hills

633
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: season and was wearing shorts and a T shirt to

634
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: go into someone else's hotel room on a balcony, which

635
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: is entirely normal, but they were in ball gown like

636
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: they were in crazy outfits to shoot on a balcony.

637
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: So like you either look like you're wearing your pajama

638
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: you got to do it, or don't like you're in

639
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: or you're just like not doing the show.

640
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: But now, but it's much more of a show now

641
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: than it was before. I mean before it was it

642
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: was documenting your lives and people that genuinely knew each

643
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: other and were living these genuine lives that had careers

644
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: and have things going on. Now it's like you, it

645
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: appears like you have booked the job of being Oh

646
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: you're on Housewives of Miami or Atlanta or so it's

647
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: like it's like if I booked a show. Oh I'm

648
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: on a sitcom now with Charlie Sheen. Like it's a

649
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 2: very it is a production. You show up, if you're

650
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: going to get up. It's you're doing a scene of

651
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: waking up in the morning. So it's like you've got

652
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: to get ready for that. You've got to go there

653
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: and make up, pick out what your wardrobe is for

654
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: waking up in bed. It's a different It's just it

655
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: appears like it's a much different process.

656
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Fascinating, and you were on a show for years where

657
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: you knew the game. And it's funny because you're an actor.

658
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: And that's why this reality reckoning that I brought up

659
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: is so interesting because it's about the fact that they're

660
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: not part of a union, so they get to hide

661
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: behind saying quote unquote it's reality when it's not, it's produced.

662
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: It's a different being than years ago, even with like

663
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: table flips and leg tosses and like even the drama

664
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: is just way bigger and different. So there's this gray

665
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: area where they get to produce it for so cheap

666
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: because they get to really exploit people in the content

667
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: and they're not even pt hected by scripted words. They

668
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: say their own thing, or there's a hot mic, you're

669
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: in the back, you're saying, I just I just slept

670
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: with my nanny. And if there's a hot mic and

671
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: you didn't want to be recorded just because you signed

672
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: a release to be in that general party, that's now

673
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: everybody's business. So there's a lot of risk and it's different.

674
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: So it's funny that you just tapped into that and

675
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: said that because you're an actor.

676
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an amazing point.

677
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay.

678
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: So it also seems like it's a breeding ground for

679
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: jealousy and competition. You just feel jealousy here. It's just like,

680
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I know that's the way it goes with a lot

681
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: of these shows, but in this particular one, it felt

682
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: more like it's really it wasn't a dog party, it

683
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: was Caddy and it felt very like, really kill.

684
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: Or be killed?

685
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt that too.

686
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: But I think the nature of all the things have

687
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 4: just spoken about about the bigger and better and the

688
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: hair and the baker from the clothes, they created the

689
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: storylines that it being you've booked a gig. It's it

690
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: breeds competitiveness between the cost and that is just predominantly women.

691
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: And now it's like, how can I be prettier than you?

692
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: Is my husband better than you do? I have more

693
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: money than you? Is my storyline stronger than you? And

694
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: I don't think they necessarily are those people in life,

695
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: but I think a show like this greads that because

696
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: you want to be good at it, you want to

697
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 4: be successful, you want to build a following, you want

698
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: to do a great job, and that means you're trying

699
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: to be the best, which means you're going to be competitive.

700
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: And I think it just brings out not the best

701
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: in people.

702
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe you just said that, because you

703
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: literally just defined what it is, which is a zero

704
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: same game. It is the Hunger Games. And there are

705
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: people that I have said things to on these shows

706
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: that I would love if I met them at a

707
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: cocktail party. And just like I would love them like

708
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I love you. If you and I were on the

709
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: show together, I might come for whatever the thing I

710
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: knew was to come for, and you'd hit me because

711
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: we were playing we were on Game of Thrones together,

712
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: right exactly. So fascinating that you realize that, because yeah,

713
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: at least with actors, you're playing another character, and I'm

714
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: sure that the jealousy behind the scenes comes between, but

715
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: you've got a barrier between.

716
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Yes exactly. Yeah, very much like that with reality to

717
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: what's really funny watching not funny, haha, but but amazing

718
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: watching the show is how similar it was to like

719
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: when we did nine O two one zero, but we

720
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: would have photo shoots. We would have these cast days

721
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: where it was like hair and makeup was done, wardrobe

722
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: was done, who's standing where in the pictures? So it's

723
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: a it's this is now a grander scale of that

724
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: because in that instance, we weren't playing characters. We were

725
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: being ourselves in these photo shoots, and you know who's

726
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: whose trading card was coming out here, and who was

727
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: seeing as this and who was and so it was

728
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: very much about perception.

729
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm dying you guys are giving

730
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: me so much more than I even would have dreamed,

731
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: like exactly because people put so much stock into like

732
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: where we're standing. And I remember Lizenus Berkeley and Tiffany

733
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: Thesson when I was working as a PA and say

734
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: by the belt, it was like, why does she get

735
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: to wear the sexy outfits? And I don't get to

736
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: wear the sexy outfit? And then you're right in photoshoots,

737
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: it's like I want to be in the center. Or

738
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: even like if Bravo sends one person to London to

739
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: do a PR tour, then everybody else Why did I

740
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: get sent? Who's more famous? Who's booking more of this?

741
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: Who's getting free shit?

742
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 2: Right?

743
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: So right, you had the barrier, and then you'd see

744
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: those crazy days that are like every day is a

745
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: house that's really very brilliant and insightful. And you see

746
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: that they were referring back to another party and saying

747
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: that one person suggested a game that was who do

748
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: you trust the least?

749
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: Who create tension? Is that? I mean that's like, that's

750
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: like having a game where you're sitting with your kids

751
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: and you're having a conversation of who is my favorite kid?

752
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: It's never going to end. Well, yeah, you're just setting

753
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: yourself up for you know, crazy tension and explosiveness, yeah,

754
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: and feelings being hurt and it's your you're just setting

755
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: But it makes sense in a show like that where

756
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: it's it's all about those moments and that's the stuff

757
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: that people want to tune into because it is so

758
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: much bigger Day is, but it's you know.

759
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: You're right, But I think it's like the weird plug,

760
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Like if they had had a game and they said

761
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: who would you want with you in a fox hole?

762
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's positive and you'd still fuck somebody

763
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: over at your dinner, But it's not so like a really.

764
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: Right yeah, you know what I mean.

765
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 4: I think obvious for me is like that, oh, you're

766
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: trying to create drama at this point, whereas there's maybe

767
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: okay reality TV they want drama, they want things. There's

768
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 4: probably a really nice lane in the middle day where

769
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: you can still get to what you want as a producer,

770
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: but not being so obvious and on the nose about it,

771
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 4: Because that's where I think is a view. No matter

772
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: how much you love the franchise, you kind of go

773
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: all right, you know it's going to be a cat

774
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: fight at the end of this one, but allow it

775
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: to develop and come out. And also then these women

776
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: don't like such oshols to each other, but you still

777
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 4: get the end results.

778
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: It's about the production.

779
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: It's about not just going for the low hanging for

780
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: you're right, because we would go on a journey that's

781
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: actually interesting too. Wow. Okay, so we leave burkins and

782
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: butt lifts and we go into the sort of Lenny

783
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: Lisa story. Now, yeah, I've met them both. I was

784
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: actually on a trip with them, a fifty person trip

785
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: that someone invited us to go to the Galapagos, and

786
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: they were, you know, they're very, very over the top.

787
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: He does everyone's I think it's boobs. He's the boob guy.

788
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: And which which is why the women were showing up.

789
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: And it was like, look, the girls are here, and

790
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: he was like, you, yes, they are. That's That's why

791
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: I say.

792
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: I didn't connect that. I thought, what the fuck? Like,

793
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: can you imagine when.

794
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Who says that to somebody else? Bube guy, Then that

795
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: makes sense. He's like, not pay by boobs the same way.

796
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: I still I think it's weird to say, even right,

797
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: because he was like he was he was awkward.

798
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: He was awkward with it. He was like, Okay, well, I.

799
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: Think scene and setting is everything for adoptor, you know

800
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: what I mean, Especially in being professionally, you don't go

801
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: out in a while and be like, oh, well look

802
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 4: I did those tits.

803
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

804
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 4: You're in your doctor's surgery. You can look and touch

805
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 4: and do the things you need to because it's clinical

806
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: and it's a procedure outside of your surgery. I think

807
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 4: then it becomes more of a sexual nature. And as

808
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: a wife, I would still be like, no, like saying

809
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: for your appointment. You know what I mean, You're at

810
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 4: my body, my good vibes body. Stop talking about your

811
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 4: breasts with my husband.

812
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: I agree, And I also think that there, You're right.

813
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: You're in a weird gown in a cold room, bad lighting,

814
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: and you're taking your top of You're showing the human

815
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: body your breast, whether at a party, your tips are up,

816
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: your grease stuff looped up, wearing macrimeae Like, it's a

817
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: totally different deal. Totally agree, Okay, agree to agree, Okay,

818
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: agree to agree. So so I thought that was an

819
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: awkward moment too. Now I'm the girls girl and I've like,

820
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: I've met Lisa, and I like her. Every relationship, you know,

821
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: people meet at the middle. I'm sure some people are

822
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: seventy percent wrong, thirty percent wrong. It's not necessarily my business.

823
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: And they ended up getting divorced, and he ended up

824
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: getting engaged to someone else while they were still legally married,

825
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: and it's a nasty divorce. And he's with someone else

826
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: who's like young and hot and the whole cliche Beverly

827
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Hills thing that was being set up in the storyline

828
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: of all the women he likes to have around.

829
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: But that's someone else telling out side. So I don't know.

830
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: I've met them. Both.

831
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: They had they were having fun, very flashy, very cashy,

832
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: very over the top, very hot, very the whole thing.

833
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: Both of them liked to party and be social and the.

834
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: Bling and all of it.

835
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: So let's just put that to the side. The thing

836
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: that I really want to know your opinion on, did

837
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: he sign up for because he's been part of a

838
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: reality show. Did he sign up for the airing of

839
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: his dirty laundry on a hot mic in another room

840
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: when he doesn't know that he's being filmed.

841
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: I know, it's a really good question. So I was

842
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: wondering that.

843
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: As I was listening, it started off very hush, hushed

844
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: in the way that I was speaking you until they

845
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: don't really want to be heard. But when he's asked

846
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: how you miked up, and he's like, why do you

847
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 4: think I'm whispering? He literally said it like I'm saying

848
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: it to you now, why do you think I'm Yeah,

849
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: he didn't even like even whisper that lone, Like he

850
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 4: barely whispered any of the others, so.

851
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't covering up his mic, and he was miked up,

852
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: And I almost I almost felt when I was watching

853
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 2: it like it was a way for him to move

854
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: the ball the way he wanted to within the situation,

855
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: but then claim that it was caught on a hot

856
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: mic like it was more. It felt like almost more

857
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: of a setup than like he actually was caught on

858
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: a microphone talking about something he wouldn't have normally been

859
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: talking about. I almost feel like he knew the cameras

860
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: were walking away, so he could contell talking about it

861
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: and it was maybe something that uh they would that

862
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: the producers would get into and make something out of,

863
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: but it was a much easier way for him to.

864
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 4: Maybe but then do you think he will stepped into

865
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 4: that role of I am a cheater? And yeah, idea

866
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: visually about that, like the way that he said it

867
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: was so casual on off the cuff.

868
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: No, like I'm saying, yes, I have remorse, but.

869
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: No, no, I feel other than I'm done and I'm

870
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: with this other chick and you know, no, we don't

871
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: sleep with each other, and I'm out, like very much.

872
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: I having been through it, we are kind of told

873
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: that if the camera's not on you, they really are

874
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: not shooting you. And that's that's ninety nine point nine

875
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: percent of the time. If the cat on The Apprentice,

876
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: it's different. The camera's not on you. They want to

877
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: catch you talking about the game and and and the

878
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: task and things like that. On The Housewives, ninety nine

879
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: point nine percent of the time, if the camera's not

880
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: on you and you can forget, you have the mic out,

881
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: like you know you have it on, but you think

882
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel real. If the camera's not on you,

883
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: it just feels like what they're not letting. The guy's

884
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: got the big box, he's turned me off, he's got

885
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: a thousand different things like and they'll look at you.

886
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: The sound guy and they're like, we're not on you

887
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: right now, and you kind of just I'm sure I

888
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: said a thousand things. I'm sure I've said stuff and

889
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm peeing. I'm sure I've had business conversations like you

890
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: just you have the mic on all day. It's not

891
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: like they're taking it on and off. And he's not

892
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: a main character. And so it happened with a girl

893
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: on New York Housewife. She wasn't even a housewife. She

894
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: was a guest at a party of well, it's like

895
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: over one hundred person party, and on a hot mic,

896
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: she was in another room, not on camera, and said

897
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: to a housewife what she really thought about the groom

898
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: to be of Luanne. And they didn't speak for years

899
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: because of it. And all she did was have her

900
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: own private thoughts with someone else, which we've all done.

901
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: If I had everything I've ever said on a mic,

902
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: like about people that I love, like if I don't

903
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 1: need Paul hearing every conversation you guys each other, don't

904
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: need to hear each other's conversations when you're with your friends,

905
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: like you know, we're not perfect, and I'd be like, oh,

906
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: he's so fucking boring and he's on the cot like

907
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear me saying that. He'd be like, Oh,

908
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: she's such a fucking pain in the ass. I mean,

909
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it like that, But that's in his head.

910
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: So my thing is, if we're in New York together,

911
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: we could be on a phone call and I can

912
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: record what you're saying to me. I can record legal

913
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Does that mean that like I'm supposed to blast it

914
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: out and I know that they're on a show, But like,

915
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: I think Freud might have gotten in the way in

916
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: a sense that like he kind of wanted to get

917
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: caught so like sort of didn't care.

918
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: That's what I was saying, Yeah.

919
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: Right, but not like proactive like Gray, I will.

920
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: The same thing. Even that you're telling about the story

921
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: of the woman that wasn't even a regular on the

922
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: show that was caught in the other room talking about

923
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: a fiance in that whole story, It's like, I how

924
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: much of that was now? Because you know now having

925
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: done it for so long, that there are their technical

926
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: aspects to it. Also, wireless microphones don't work with it,

927
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, within that much of a range, Like guys

928
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: can be standing ten feet away from you and be

929
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: like I need to get closer because I'm not getting

930
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: the conversation clear enough. Yeah, so there's god, there has

931
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: to be in a situation like that where you've got

932
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: a party full of people that are micd how many

933
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: people twenty.

934
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: No, not even not even Yeah, maybe maybe on a

935
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: big night like that, that'd be massive amount of mics.

936
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: So so, like you said, then why if the cameras

937
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: were off of him, was sound making sure that they

938
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: were picking up the sound of what it is he

939
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: was saying. If he was in a different room and

940
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: the cameras were off of him, unless that was on

941
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: some levels, some sort of assignment that was given like hey,

942
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: this is how we're going to work this situation. Cameras

943
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: are going to move on, but the cameras are going

944
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: to do weird things like hide behind fountains, and we're

945
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: like I was noticing as I was watching, I was like,

946
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: what are the cameras ducking and hiding for if they're

947
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: in a different unless they are trying to.

948
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: Visually pretend create something you've directed.

949
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: We go with this concept of oh it's a hot

950
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: mic and it's something that's off set. It's like, okay, well,

951
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: how it was a weird like they were created, they

952
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: were falsely created, hitting a sense of something. It's so

953
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: awkward to watch. It did feel awkward to watch for sure.

954
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: It's not like the cameras walked out of the room

955
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: and then went back to the party to like, you know,

956
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: see what was going on. It was like, what are

957
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: you hiding behind like a rock water you know, feature

958
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: for and like and you know, bushes crying like it

959
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: was a whole weird.

960
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: It's so true.

961
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I wonder if there's a thing like there was

962
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 4: one season on Dancing with the Styles where they had

963
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 4: these just cameras set up through our studios. So normally

964
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: it's just the ones that are in the room with

965
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: us and the guys with the cameras, but they had

966
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: one season and actually they caught Kim Johnson at the

967
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: time and Robert Herschelback kissing for the first time on.

968
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: One of these like basically hidden cameras. They can do these.

969
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 4: Things on reality. Maybe there was they're knowing that something's

970
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: going to come up. They maybe hearing way that he's

971
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: going to talk about it or that something is going on.

972
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 5: And so they set up I don't want to say traps,

973
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 5: but traps like opportunities to catch this audio and someone's

974
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 5: listening for it, And I think there's so many ways

975
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 5: it can go.

976
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to accuse him of being like outwardly

977
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: saying and I would love to think he wants to

978
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 4: have some discretion about it.

979
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: Well, if that other guy is miked, then you're right,

980
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: because that other guy is not a character that would

981
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: ever be miked. So that's actually you're giving me a

982
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: smoking If the other guy was MICD, that's not a

983
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: guy that they would prioritize at the beginning of a shoot.

984
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: We're going to make that guy too, unless they thought

985
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: something was coming down the pike, right. And the other

986
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: topic that I think is interesting that I found out

987
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: on an earlier season of Housewives is that, like I

988
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: assume that everybody wants to know now in America, like

989
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, sixty percent of divorce, not everybody

990
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: can afford to get divorced. Not everybody wants to know, Like,

991
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: not everybody wants So even though it's great that we

992
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: all outed Lenny as the scumbag cheater, there are a

993
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of cheaters. There are cheaters that aren't even cheaters.

994
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: That it's an open relationship, we just keep it quiet.

995
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: There are many dynamics, and so it brought up the

996
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: question of where is the line? And yes, these people

997
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: signed up for this, although he's not paid as a character,

998
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: so he's not paid. He's signed up as the wife's

999
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, he's not paid. And so now he's

1000
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: in another room and the camera's not on him, and

1001
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: where's the line of like, is there any line of ethics?

1002
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: There's I mean, there is no There are no ethics

1003
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: on reality television because there's nothing they wouldn't put forward.

1004
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: So is there a line.

1005
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: Of that even though I'm team Lisa and all that,

1006
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the concept. Yeah, and somebody might

1007
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: not want to know, Like it could have been he's

1008
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: doing this, but it might have taken six more months

1009
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and it might not have exploded in

1010
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: the way that it didn't.

1011
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: I don't think, as you said, I don't think there

1012
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: is in line with reality television. But maybe something that

1013
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: could have possibly hypothetically pushed him to air is whatever

1014
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: he's been sleeping with.

1015
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: What if this woman.

1016
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: Was like, I know you're doing this show and with

1017
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 4: your wife, but what about me and putting the pressure

1018
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 4: on him to just say it, just say.

1019
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: He did it in a way that was awkward, like

1020
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: it also didn't land like he would have preferred to

1021
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: just publicly say I'm in love with someone, but for

1022
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: some reason, it put Yeah. I do think freud gets involved.

1023
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: I think pushing something into the show. I think it's

1024
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: a mixture of all of it. But it's an interesting concept.

1025
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: Can you imagine not knowing that something was filmed and

1026
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: six months later it lands on television. You did not

1027
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: realize you were on a hot mic.

1028
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: That's not Lisa watching it, you know what I mean?

1029
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: Like, that's just, Oh, that's horrible seeing that play back,

1030
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 4: because that's that's humiliating at the end of the day

1031
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: to be there talking about him, talking about there in

1032
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: such a good place Lisa, Right, Lenny and Lisa.

1033
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: Yes, But it's funny because you see the scenes from

1034
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: the next week when she's saying we're about to get divorced.

1035
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't like six months later this came out

1036
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: next week on the show. Something came out, So you know,

1037
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: maybe he realized it. Maybe the producers told her, I

1038
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: don't know they want Yeah.

1039
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: I was wondering, like do you get to the end

1040
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: of that moment as as Lenny and and you turn

1041
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: to the to everybody that's involved behind the scenes, and

1042
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: you go, was that good? Good? Good job? Everybody got

1043
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: what they like? You know, how how manufactured is it?

1044
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: I can't see a world where he would want that

1045
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: to be public in that right.

1046
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: I can't either necessarily. But who crazy?

1047
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: It's around culture we don't know. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

1048
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean the dude, you know when they throw house parties.

1049
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: They were talking about that, like she throws it more

1050
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: with friends and people she knows, and he throws he's married,

1051
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: but he throws these big ragers with like tons of

1052
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: models and topless people and boots and yeah, as you said,

1053
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: was the setup you know what I mean for what comes.

1054
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: Amazing? And then you I just want you know that.

1055
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Do you know that Larza is an relationship with Michael

1056
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Jordan's son. Now is that in your has that hit

1057
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: your radar?

1058
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: Okay?

1059
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: So Larsa Pippen, you know she was with Scotty Pippen.

1060
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: Did you know that?

1061
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's her ex. Now she's dating Michael Jordan's son, Yes, son.

1062
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: So Scotty and Michael Jordan were on the Bulls together,

1063
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: right Scotty. Now Scotty was Jordan's like number one guy.

1064
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: Like that was like Gronk and Brady.

1065
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. Yeah, it's like, yeah, loyalty day.

1066
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: You know, I imagine that Michael Jordan has a real

1067
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 4: struggle with that for shure.

1068
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: Yeah right, okay, you get it. Then.

1069
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: So Scotty's X is now dating Jordan's son, not dating

1070
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: that's serious.

1071
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1072
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: I think they have a podcast together here too. Yeah,

1073
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: just giving a little tea. Oh my god, you got

1074
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: that was so But at some point we'll have to

1075
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: like talk about you guys and like, can I just

1076
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: know how you guys met?

1077
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: Well for another time.

1078
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, the show story is a mutual business manager had

1079
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 4: a moment of like, think you should meet this person

1080
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: with both of us, And it was a weird request

1081
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: from a business manager who was not a.

1082
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: Cuban by any means, but fantastic with your finances.

1083
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 4: And it was like, Okay, that's almost so random and

1084
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 4: so weird that I feel like I have to say yesterday,

1085
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: yeah and ago, So three years ago, now, three years ago,

1086
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 4: we ended up at Peddler's book in Calabasas and we

1087
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 4: had coffee and we ended up losing time, stay there

1088
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: for five hours, talking about everything.

1089
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: The easiest conversation it was during It was during COVID,

1090
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: So it was so nice to just be able to

1091
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: have a real conversation with somebody we were both enjoying.

1092
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: We were both in a place where I had really

1093
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: gotten through and felt great about the divorce and the

1094
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: way everything had sort of worked out. And Toronto had

1095
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: been single for five years at this point, so we

1096
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: had both really been therapy and working on the people

1097
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: we wanted to be. So when we met, we were

1098
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: on this very sort of common path together. It was

1099
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: there were completely different, you know, different ends of it,

1100
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 2: but we we just had so much to talk about

1101
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: in common. Yeah, and you're saying.

1102
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 3: The relationship could breathe because neither of you had big agendas.

1103
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: It was COVID. It was just sit still.

1104
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: There was no agendas.

1105
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: And we'd also COVID or not, I think reached that

1106
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: point in our lives where it was like I don't

1107
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: need anyone.

1108
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'd love to share with someone. Yeah, it

1109
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: was like we were we were getting together and we

1110
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: were having coffee and and our business manager, I had

1111
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: just started. I was working on a show called Mass Dancer.

1112
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: I was working on the panel of that. Sharna comes

1113
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: from Dancing with the Stars, so so our business manager

1114
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: sell to Sharna was, Oh, he's working on a dancing show,

1115
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: so if anything, you have some dancing stuff.

1116
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 4: To talk, right, And it was like, but we talked

1117
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: about no dancing whatsoever. We just got into talking as

1118
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 4: people and it was it was awesome, And we did

1119
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 4: that five times before we kissed for the first time

1120
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: and really went there.

1121
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: We took our time basically to get to know each other.

1122
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: No one was in a crush.

1123
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it was really great about is you know,

1124
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: people talk about fire and spock and this and love

1125
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 4: of first site. There is that, but this was so

1126
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: easy and steady and calm and natural and safe.

1127
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but just I think easy is the word I

1128
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: can give it.

1129
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 4: Well, it didn't feel like it was going to be

1130
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 4: a roller car study, but like it was going to

1131
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: be consistency.

1132
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: And we had really fun conversations with each other. Early on.

1133
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: We would ask my right, much like who's your favorite child.

1134
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: We would have conversations about what's your worst quality? Yeah,

1135
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: And we would get into those things with each other

1136
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: so we never really had that honeymoon period going into this.

1137
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: We had aired all of that, and we were coming

1138
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: from a very uh a very like responsible, open, natural

1139
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 2: place with each other. We weren't. It wasn't it wasn't

1140
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: a date. We didn't go there dressed, you know, in

1141
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: our best stuff and make up done and ready for

1142
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: show time. It was like we showed at at a

1143
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: coffee place and we had breakfast and.

1144
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: An abandoned house. I've seen it.

1145
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it wouldn't have terrible boring you Yeah, yeah, but

1146
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: it's but it's a great it's I wish that we

1147
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: would have filmed it for ourselves because it would have

1148
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: been interesting to watch and and to error later on our.

1149
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: That would be funny. You're like, hey, this is weird.

1150
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: I just want to just sign a release.

1151
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: I just I was you're okay, he's over there.

1152
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got mine.

1153
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: To see what you're wearing because I'm going to hide

1154
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: a microphone, so I just need yeah.

1155
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, I call I call that show. You're crazy early.

1156
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: I love that, Like warts and all, are where are

1157
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: you from? And are you from Australia?

1158
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Australia, Sydney Australia. Australia, the country town.

1159
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah you go, do you guys go?

1160
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1161
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I've never been to Australia before, and so

1162
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: we went. And then we had the opportunity to go

1163
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: to Laga and see that. We went to the Australia Zoo.

1164
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: The Irwin family took care of there. We were in

1165
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: Sydney most of the time. All the kids came with,

1166
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 2: so it was it was a real fun family trip.

1167
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: It was amazing.

1168
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 4: We rented a house in Cromorn Point which has a

1169
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 4: view of the Harbor Bridge and the Opera House, the

1170
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 4: whole home.

1171
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm speaking at the opera I'm so glad you gave

1172
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: me a humble brunt. I'm speaking at the Opera House

1173
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: and in April.

1174
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: That's amazing And I don't even know.

1175
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: What it is, but I I other people have said

1176
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So I just keep regurgitating and hoping.

1177
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: People are like, no, what.

1178
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: That neighbor, You've never been to the Opera House.

1179
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: That's where we've been in the water by the harbor right, Yeah,

1180
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: I've seen it, Yeah exactly. I did a launch there

1181
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: years ago. But like I'm speaking to several a couple

1182
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: of thousand people, and in my third Australia trip, I

1183
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: feel like I love Australia and it's it's a real

1184
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: big trip, but like it's so worth it.

1185
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: I love you.

1186
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: Ever done the zoo? Are you an animal?

1187
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: I did the zoo, I did the climbing thing. Yes,

1188
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: And I'm a big ada.

1189
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: Did you You walked over the bridge and did that

1190
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: whole thing bridge stage. I don't want to do it.

1191
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: So I never wasn't that.

1192
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: It was fine we did.

1193
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: Everybody said it's like this big thing, and I was like,

1194
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 2: here we went. We went like great white shark diving

1195
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: off off the coast of Mexico at Guadaloupe Island. So

1196
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: I was like, if you can do that, you can

1197
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: walk over the bridge. There's steps and you're shot n

1198
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: two different things.

1199
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: Like the Kimberly it's the Kimberly Islands.

1200
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: I know these people that have that company passed Blay,

1201
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: you know at the Pearl company if you heard of it,

1202
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: papsolet passed by. They control they controlled like ninety percent

1203
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: of the pearls in the whole world. Like, and they

1204
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: invited me on this crazy boat trip, but it got

1205
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: canceled twice. Because of pandemic where they control those waters

1206
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: and they go pearl forming and like I've always wanted

1207
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: to go to Kimberly's is like where they do sports

1208
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: illustrated things. It's like beautiful anyway, I don't know, I

1209
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: just connect to that place. So it's going to be

1210
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: my third time. And I always say yes when there's

1211
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: a trip there, and it's certainly not easy, but I'm excited.

1212
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: So I'm going to Melbourne and Sydney and I'm going

1213
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: in and I'm bringing my daughter.

1214
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: So I'm thrilled. Love you guys are great. I'm so

1215
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: excited so much for.

1216
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: Having us on again. I I've been a huge fan

1217
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: of yours for a long time. I think what you

1218
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: do is amazing. I know the work that you've done

1219
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: has been incredible, And hopefully you'll come on our podcast.

1220
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 3: At some quick also, I would love it.

1221
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: Then we'll get out of the we'll get out of

1222
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: the weeds of Real Housewives.

1223
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: No, we can talk about relationships.

1224
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we we sort of. That's that's what we do.

1225
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: We kind of find topics every week and we really

1226
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: get into the deep on those and it's a two

1227
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: episode a week kind of thing. We we have a

1228
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: new episode on Tuesdays and then Thursday is a follow

1229
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: up where people can actually call it live or they

1230
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: can submit questions and we really get into co parenting

1231
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: and disappointment and I did sin is the one we're

1232
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: doing this week, Like we're really trying to get do

1233
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: a deep dive into these things because it's so you know,

1234
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: it's so helpful for people like yourself to tell stories

1235
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: and people realize, oh god, I'm not alone in what

1236
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: it is.

1237
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the conversation can breathe here and you can

1238
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: say different things that you can't see elsewhere.

1239
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: So awesome.

1240
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm one.

1241
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 4: Thank you, Bethany. It was really really amazing hanging with

1242
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: you today.

1243
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: Thank you have a great day.

1244
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: By ye Bank.

1245
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: That was wonderful. They were amazing. What a beautiful couple.

1246
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: What a great conversation. Uh, he's really funny. I just

1247
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: and they were so insightful, Like they were so insightful,

1248
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: Like it was good to play tennis with a better

1249
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: tennis player. I really enjoyed that. It was just good

1250
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: to have someone get it. They were fascinating, really love them. Wow,

1251
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You just get to know people that you

1252
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: have just heard about in your periphery and couldn't say

1253
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: better things.

1254
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: I'm excited it for.

1255
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: Their podcast, so check that out because it seems like

1256
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: it's going to be very deep and amazing.

1257
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: Yay