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Speaker 1: Jen talks to me about getting her doctorate in physical therapy,

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Speaker 1: with Jen Escare. How do you like to introduce yourself?

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Speaker 2: You know, there's so many different ways. I feel like

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Speaker 1: on your own again being so self reliant and also

438
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: mentally preparing for any of the situations that could come.

439
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: And this doesn't just mean like a lull in business.

440
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: It could mean a hard thing you're going through emotional totally,

441
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: and then you're dealing with so much struggle and turmoil.

442
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: And I remember after my last breakup, I had my

443
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: mom come into the city like the day after, and

444
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: we literally just spent the entire day like not even talking,

445
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: just cleaning my apartment. I just like needed her to

446
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 1: be around and I didn't really want to talk about anything,

447
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: and I probably did that that day with her, maybe

448
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: the next day, the next day, I think I got

449
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: out of town. And when you're a freelancer and you're

450
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: not working for four or five days, you have to

451
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: understand like, Okay, you need to do this, this is

452
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: what you need to do now. But no one's just

453
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: going to pay you to be who you are for

454
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: four or five days. People will pay you to do

455
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: things and work and try hard. Is really overwhelming for me.

456
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I mean, And that's what you know.

457
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 2: When I went through my breakup in the beginning of

458
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 2: this year, it was like, oh my god, I'm so

459
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: fortunate that I had the opportunity that I could be

460
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: like I'm going to lay in bed or I'm going

461
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: to go call up a friend and be with a

462
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: friend all day, where if you are working at nine

463
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: to five, you know you can't just sit there and

464
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: feel bad for yourself. And I was able to still

465
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: work and do what I needed to do. Just on

466
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: a different level, Yeah, that I need to take care

467
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: of myself too.

468
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting being such a public person is

469
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: that when shit hits the fan for me, I feel

470
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: the need to completely retract just to protect myself, so

471
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: that need to feel as though I want to completely retract,

472
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: knowing that by completely retracting, I could be missing out

473
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: on opportunities. It felt overwhelming for me. I don't know

474
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: if that felt like that for you.

475
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: You know. I think it depended Luckily at the time,

476
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: it was like my breakup was like five days before Christmas.

477
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: So lucky and not lucky. I've got to be around

478
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: a lot of.

479
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: Family interesting perspective, lucky and not lucky.

480
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: Not lucky because it's holidays, it's raf, it's a lot,

481
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 2: you know, and then you're going to have a lot

482
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: of people asking you questions. Yeah, But then lucky as well,

483
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: just that I had family and friends that I could

484
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: be around so much, and there's not as much do

485
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: you going on in business time right in the holidays,

486
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: So lucky in that sense, But I did. I think

487
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: it was like I did a New Year's challenge right

488
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: in January that was so hard for me to launch

489
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: and actually be present too, because I was not here emotionally,

490
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: and that was that was a really hard thing to do.

491
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: But then within that month I did go to different

492
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: conferences and I just allowed myself to be with my

493
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: friends and be present and if I need and I

494
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: was so lucky as well to be surrounded by people

495
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: that are absolutely amazing and women who if I needed

496
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: to cry, I could cry. If I needed to rent

497
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: and scream, I could do that. If I just wanted

498
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: to sit and be, they would just allow that. If

499
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: I was a little moody, they allowed that and didn't

500
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: take it personally, like, I am so so grateful that

501
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: I've surrounded myself with this inner circle that allows.

502
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: Me to be me, and that's so special. I don't

503
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: think I've ever said this on the pod before, so

504
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: it's weird to say this out loud, but I definitely

505
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: when I went through my last breakup, I thought that, like,

506
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: they were my person. And when that happened, and you

507
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to like get out of that environment

508
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: and then look back on it, you ask yourself, like,

509
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: what was it about this person that I thought that

510
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: they were my person? Did you feel like that?

511
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: It was the greatest lesson I've ever been through, and

512
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for it. It was hard. It was

513
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: a hard lesson, for sure, but at the same time,

514
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: when I when it's not just like what is it

515
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: about that person? But what is it about me that

516
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: drew that person in? What is it about me that

517
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: felt the need to stay? What is it about me

518
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: that felt like I'm going to drop maybe some things

519
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: that were really important to me, some of my biggest

520
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: values in order to maintain this is my person. So

521
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: what was that in me that felt the need to

522
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: do that? And that's where I really got to go

523
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: into And that's where I really got to be super introspective.

524
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: And I'm blessed to have friends that are coaches and

525
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: therapists and people that I can call that would literally

526
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: I would get off the phone and be like, oh,

527
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: oh weight, just lift it off my heart like it was.

528
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so blessed. And then I went to

529
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: Christine Hustler's retreat as well and got to release a

530
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: lot of pain and anger in that and being in

531
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: a space that would just hold space for that and

532
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: realizing that as well, like a lot of women don't

533
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: have practices that just allow you to release anger, Like

534
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: where do we go to release ainger? If you you know,

535
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: you definitely don't want to do it in public or

536
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: else you're crazy? But are you at home screaming into

537
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: a pillow? Are you maybe beating up your bed sometimes,

538
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: Like I think there needs to be some practices and

539
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: know that that is okay. Men go and often you know,

540
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: they have combat sports, they have even watching things on

541
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: sports on TV and they're yelling and they're getting angry,

542
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: and they have a lot more ways that they can release,

543
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: where unless you're going to go to a kickboxing class

544
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: or you know, you have to start building in practices.

545
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: I think that physically allow you to release as well

546
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: or else we hold it in the body.

547
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: And that's interesting because I mean a lot of people

548
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: will lean into something like yoga, which is beautiful and

549
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: so great for the mind, and like I feel absolutely

550
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: wonderful when I walk out of my favorite hot yoga class.

551
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: But to your point about like just physically releasing aggression,

552
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess for me, I do that when

553
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm running really fast, Like that's how I feel like

554
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: I can just like put it all out there on

555
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: the table.

556
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

557
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: But I guess I've never really thought about this idea

558
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: of just like physically letting go of the things that

559
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: feel pent up inside.

560
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing. At Christine Hasler's retreat, we

561
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: did what she calls an anger burn and allowing a

562
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: bunch of women to just let go in that way.

563
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: What happens to so powerful?

564
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to say, because you would have to go,

565
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: but it's it's it's extremely powerful.

566
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: I imagine it to be like tearing too music class,

567
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: when everyone's like doing synchronized jumping jacks and burpies and

568
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: yelling out loud. It just feels it feels like that.

569
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: It feels like that a little bit more individualized.

570
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so even on my birthday this year, I

571
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: got a group of about twenty twenty five women, I

572
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: think a lot came out and we went to this

573
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: place in La called Rage Ground Whoa, and we got

574
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: to just hit a bunch of things, break things.

575
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Just you pay by the hour to like pick the

576
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: things that you want to destroy. Yeah, isn't that crazy?

577
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: The thoughts a thing.

578
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

579
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: You go into rooms, right and you can literally just

580
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: hit stuff.

581
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can take whatever music you want to

582
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: listen to and just go ham.

583
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: The recommend it. The hurdlers that live in like Tennessee

584
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: are like, this is what happens in big cities.

585
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing, Like I think it needs

586
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: to happen more and a lot of times people don't

587
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: understand how much physical pain is related to what's happening emotionally.

588
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: And that is the majority of what I'm doing with

589
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: clients in person now, especially because I rarely work with

590
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: people in person anymore, so when I do, it's usually

591
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: like chronic pain and they've been to every practitioner, no

592
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: one's helping them and all this stuff. Guess what, it's

593
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: not the practitioner. We all, almost all of us want

594
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: to help people and have different techniques in order to

595
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: do that. A lot of techniques are overlapping, and it's

596
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of similarity. So it's not

597
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: the practitioner. It's that maybe they weren't able to connect

598
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: you deep enough into what's happening. Because after six months,

599
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: after three months, your body's really good at healing itself,

600
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: very good. So if something continues to pop up, what

601
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: else is happening? There's something else. And a lot of

602
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: people when I get them connecting back into their mind

603
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: and their brain and what's happening, a lot of people

604
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: end up crying on my table, right because pain is emotional,

605
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: and when we're actually able to connect that and That's

606
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: why I say I talk about releasing pain physically as well.

607
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: Go home and see what it feels like to scream

608
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: out something that you're upset about into a pillow. See

609
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: what it feels like to kneel down in front of

610
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: your bed, just start pounding on your bed and see

611
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: if your shoulder pain goes away like And I've also

612
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: been in workshops where it is just about body movement

613
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: and moving and one woman was like, one of the

614
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: women said, you know, if I've been through PT for

615
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: the last life three months for my frozen shoulder, and

616
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: this helped to open up my range emotion and give

617
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: me way more relief than any of the PTA has.

618
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: And that's only because you're able to release and move

619
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: your body and feel emotions again.

620
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: So during your hurtle moment getting through this breakup, how

621
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: would you say that you were coping? What were you

622
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: doing to kind of give back to you.

623
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: Listening to exactly what my body needs. And that's the thing.

624
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: We don't take the time usually to listen to what

625
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: our body actually needs. It's usually I'm going to listen

626
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: to everyone else around me because you're worth listening to.

627
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: But we're not saying that to our body. Our body

628
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: is worth listening to. This is our one body that

629
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: we have to move us forward in this lifetime wherever

630
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: you go, so you have to take the time to listen.

631
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: So for me, it was actually slowing down in the

632
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: first like three weeks. I don't think I worked out once,

633
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: which is so not me, Like I am a workout fiend,

634
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: and it's what makes me feel better. And you know,

635
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: I just I needed to be and allow that and

636
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: not judge myself for not working out and not make

637
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: up stories about it and just say this is what

638
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: my body needs right now. And you know what, a

639
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: lot of the times when we're feeling a pain or

640
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: something's happening within the body, it's usually that we're neglecting

641
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: something and we actually need to add something back into

642
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: our lives. So whether that's more sleep, more greens, more water,

643
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: more movement, more rest, whatever it may be, think of

644
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: it as what am I not adding? What am I

645
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: not aware of that my body needs and it's actually

646
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: what I wear my rest. Like awareness is the number

647
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: one thing for everything. If we don't have awareness and

648
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: how we're treating another human or how we're treating ourselves,

649
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: we don't know what we need to move into and

650
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: what we need to add in. And that's the same

651
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: thing with the body, Like your pain is happening because

652
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: you're neglecting something in your life.

653
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: I wear a bracelet on my wrist that says have

654
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: high effing standards, And every day I look down, I'm like, yes,

655
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Speaker 1: like you should. And sometimes when I'm just like staring

656
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: into space and thinking about something, I like glance at

657
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: it at the right time and I'm like, yeah, what

658
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: are you doing? M Like, come back to it now.

659
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Speaker 1: So I totally feel that did you have kind of

660
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Speaker 1: what I like to refer to as like an aha

661
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: moment when you came into realizing how much worth you

662
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Speaker 1: have after feeling so worthless?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, honestly it happened really soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I have done a lot of personal development work

666
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: on myself and emotional intelligence workshops and all that kind

667
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: of stuff through the relationship because I was seeking a lot.

668
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: I did keep saying, Okay, maybe it's meat, maybe it's me.

669
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Speaker 2: What can I learn? What can I do? What can

670
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: I How can I grow? How can I I? And

671
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: I did so much work on myself that when everything

672
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: finally happened and it was an immense amount of betrayal.

673
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 2: But when that happened, it was a light bumb click.

674
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: It was like, oh duh, because I wasn't like listening

675
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: to myself. And the thing was the biggest lesson and

676
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: the thing I'm so grateful for is what came out

677
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: for me was I can trust me. And I think

678
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: that is what people don't listen to the most, is

679
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: that we're seeking other people or social media or tell

680
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: me what to do, tell me how to do it,

681
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: tell me what I should say, tell me, tell me

682
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: what decision I should make, because I don't know. And

683
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: it's not that you don't know, it's that you're not trusting.

684
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: And there was always something. There was always some kind

685
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: of resistance within the relationship. There was always something that

686
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: I was uncertain about or didn't trust and didn't fill

687
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: aligned with, or felt like something was off or felt

688
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: like I needed to ask questions about something and I

689
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: would be made wrong about it a lot of the time.

690
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: And so when that finally happened, it was like, oh

691
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: my gosh, I can trust myself. That intuition that I

692
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: had that was telling me something is not right here,

693
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: that was right the entire.

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Speaker 1: can relate. I feel that hard. I think what becomes

711
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: an issue when you're going through the pain and trying

712
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: to really digest what's going on and learn how to

713
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: move forward. Is that before you get to the place

714
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: where you're like, I can trust myself, you go through

715
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: a period of anger that you didn't do it sooner?

716
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, totally, especially when you

717
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: look back at all the times where you're like, something

718
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: feels what's going on? Or why like why didn't I

719
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: speak to you for a day and a half and

720
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: why am I made to feel needy that I wanted

721
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: to speak to the person that I'm giving myself to

722
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: over the course of forty hours, Like whatever the case

723
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: may be, you go through a period where you're angry

724
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: that you didn't just walk sooner.

725
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: Totally, But what is the point in continuing the circle

726
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: of judgment on yourself that's only holding you back. The

727
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: only way to move forward is to start to say,

728
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: I forgive myself for whatever that may be. I forgive

729
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: myself for not walking away sooner. I forgive myself for

730
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: not acknowledging this sooner. I forgive myself for not trusting myself.

731
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Speaker 2: And when you can really like, for me, writing became

732
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: super powerful and I guide people back to that often

733
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: because it's one thing to say it, it's another thing

734
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: to see it and write it and repeat it over

735
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: and over again.

736
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Speaker 1: So what were you writing?

737
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Speaker 2: A lot of what I was writing is just likes

738
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: that were coming up for me and things that I

739
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: need to forgive myself on. Or if I had a

740
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: dream about something, why was I having that dream? What

741
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: did that mean for me? And really being able to

742
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 2: process through a lot of that just helped in general.

743
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Speaker 2: I mean, last year, I got shingles because I was

744
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: going through so much emotionally and was not willing to

745
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: acknowledge and own it. And so my body manifested shingles

746
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: because I knew that something was not right, that something

747
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: was out of alignment, but I wasn't willing to really

748
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: own it and stand up to it. And I knew

749
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: that I was feeling off and all this other stuff.

750
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Speaker 2: Until I got shingles, my body decided to talk to me.

751
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: And I've had so many other instances where I've talked

752
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: to people, and not just my men, but people where

753
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: they say I've had autoimmune diseases that were coming up

754
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. I finally acknowledged what

755
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: was happening in my relationship in all one way. Yeah, listen,

756
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: my journey's not going to look like your journey and

757
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: that's okay. Like so many people would ask me, you know,

758
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: like how did you get through it so fast? And

759
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know that I did. And I

760
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: still think I'm processing and healing and it still will

761
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: be a process and that's okay. And I'm not judging

762
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: myself for that. And I'm lucky to have met a

763
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: human as well who is so not judging me for

764
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: it as well and open to be like if I

765
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: need to talk about things, I can.

766
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Speaker 1: That's really special, so special. I mean at this time,

767
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: when did you feel like you were like in a

768
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: good place to get really I mean you said you

769
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: were going to conferences and stuff. Yeah, so like getting

770
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: back really into your work.

771
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Speaker 2: That also ebbed and flowed. I still don't feel like

772
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Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent back like I was last year,

773
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: where that was like all I had to focus on

774
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: because I was so uncertain about the relationship and not

775
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: knowing to go there. That I just threw myself into

776
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: work and was really able to thrive in that that

777
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: I still don't feel like one hundred percent back into

778
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: that same mode. So I don't I think it's it's

779
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: ebbed and flowed.

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Speaker 1: I also think what's important about this message between like

781
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: the ebb and flow of your emotions and then the

782
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: ebb and flow of your your work and your business

783
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: is that it's okay to feel like you're making progress

784
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: but not be completely over the hump, Like there are

785
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: going to be times where you do need to go

786
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: back and do more work. We're always constantly doing the work,

787
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Speaker 1: but it's okay to get upset about something even though

788
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: it's been a while.

789
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

790
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Speaker 1: And it's okay to have these great moments and then

791
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: have these bad moments and then have these great moments again.

792
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: And you know, like it's going to be a constant process,

793
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: like it's a journey. It's not just like one day

794
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: everything's going to be one hundred percent fine.

795
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: And I think if you're waiting for that to happen,

796
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: you're going to be very disappointed. Yeah, because when moments

797
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: come up that you feel strat or down or don't

798
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: like can't move forward and work or whatever it may be,

799
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna be in beat up mode and judgment even

800
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: more and it's going to hold you back even more.

801
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: So there's no point in doing.

802
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: That so then what are your goals looking forward right now?

803
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: Right now, it's really just about continuing to surround myself

804
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: with the people that mean the most to me and

805
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: continue to just like this week, coming back from all

806
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: my vacations I was gotten for like three weeks, was

807
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: I just felt a whole wave of gratitude and appreciation.

808
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: And I actually started my Monday by sending out videos

809
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: of gratitude to the people that some I haven't talked

810
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: to in a long time, and some I'm like, are

811
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: you still my friend? Or is there a division now

812
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: because of ending a relationship and just being uncertain, And

813
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 2: so actually I was scared to send some of these

814
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: messages out to people that I haven't talked to in

815
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: a while. So I just felt this wave of appreciation

816
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: for where I've come to and who has actually been

817
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: there for me and who's been willing to show up

818
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: through their own journeys, And so I just sent out

819
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of videos. And that's how I've got my

820
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: week started, was an appreciation of who is in my life,

821
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: and I think continuing to focus on that right now

822
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: and surrounding myself with amazing humans who inspire me and

823
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: allow me to be seen and knowing that I'm in

824
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: alignment with who is in my life and how I

825
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: want to push my business forward in terms of getting

826
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: people back into listening to themselves, tuning in and relieving pain.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the last seven eight months, you're

828
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: giving a lot of really practical and great advice for

829
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: anyone who feels like they might be going through a

830
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: similar experience. But what would you say has been one

831
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Speaker 1: of the best pieces of advice that someone has you

832
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: during this time.

833
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: It's really just about forgiving myself and allowing that's been

834
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: the biggest thing. Your body knows your you know deep down,

835
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: your intuition, your gut, your soul, you know what you

836
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: need for you, And so don't judge yourself based on

837
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: what another human is doing or what it looks like

838
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: on social media. Be with who you are and forgive

839
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: yourself for judging yourself.

840
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: I remember I was in a visa and doing some

841
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: workshops with the team under Armor, and the woman asked

842
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: us to write down like the places that we call home,

843
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: and at the end of it, she was like, the

844
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: most interesting thing was that, like none of you said yourself,

845
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: Like none of you said your body, None of you said,

846
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: your mind, you're listing like the house you grew up

847
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: in and where you live now. And it's so interesting

848
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: because so many of us we don't even associate the

849
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: fact that, like, we only have two homes in our life,

850
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: that's really constant to be our body in our mind.

851
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: We don't take the time to invest in those so

852
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: easy to buy a couch so easy, well most of

853
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: the time, yeah, a really good one, or you know,

854
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: something for the wall in your home, but not necessarily

855
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: to take the time and invest in things like talking

856
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: to someone or you know, obviously workout classes are expensive

857
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. Like, we make all

858
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: these excuses as to why we can't give back to

859
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: ourselves when it comes to our physical and mental health.

860
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: But what happens if the excuses went up the window.

861
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: What happens if we started to prioritize that the way

862
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: that we prioritize getting the nice gallery wall or putting

863
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: the TV where it's supposed to be or mounting it

864
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is.

865
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really coming back to perspective too, and appreciation.

866
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Speaker 2: Every one of my challenges include appreciation for our body

867
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: that we have, because why move, why do anything unless

868
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate what I have. And I don't think we're

869
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: going to take the time to say, oh, I understand

870
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: why I need mobility back in my life, I understand

871
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: why I need breath work and foundational staff back in

872
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: my life unless I appreciate what I have right now

873
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 2: and going through PT school. I am blessed and lucky

874
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: to have been around and exposed to people who have

875
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: been born with challenges or things that we look at

876
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: as disease, and they don't live like that. Like a

877
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: young a man who has cerebral palsy, so many contractors

878
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: all over his body, lives in a wheelchair, and yet

879
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: he lived by himself and watching him get himself down

880
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: and back into his wheelchair like he wants to do

881
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: it all on his own. And when he got too

882
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: big to lift himself back into his wheelchair, he started

883
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: swimming with his therapist to lose weight. And it's it's

884
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: taking appreciation for like and not just saying oh, well,

885
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: if they could do it, I can do it, but

886
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: it's realizing, oh, they're actually saying, Okay, this is what

887
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: my body has, I'm going to utilize it fully to

888
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: its max power. How much are we.

889
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Doing that right? It's like that all it takes is

890
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: all you've got mentality. But a lot of the time

891
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: people aren't willing to give it all they've got.

892
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got out of bed. Yeah you're sat up,

893
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: you're listening to this podcast, your feet are on the floor. Like,

894
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: we have so much to be appreciative of.

895
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: For sure, I want you just momentarily to put your

896
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: doc gen Fit hat on, because I feel like there's

897
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: just like a couple of things I need to ask

898
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: you about about the body while I have you the

899
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: first and foremost. A lot of people don't take the

900
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: time to do anything when it comes to mobility or

901
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: kind of like stretching and things like that. For like,

902
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: I work out four to five times a week. I

903
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: like to move my body. They aren't taking any of

904
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: the time to like give themselves a little bit of TLC.

905
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: Like what's like a light thing that you like tell

906
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: people to do for themselves.

907
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: One of the first things I always bring people back

908
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: to is breathwork, and it's there's so many different types

909
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: of breath work. The number one thing that I want

910
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: you to just come back to is like literally before

911
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: you go to bed, take five to ten minutes. Place

912
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: your hands on your low ribcage and your pillows underneath

913
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: your knees. Get yourself comfortable, and take really slow breadths.

914
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: So talking about breathing in through your nose and then

915
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: breathing out through your mouth for even longer. So maybe

916
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: it's like four seconds and through your nose, eight seconds

917
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: out through your mouth and taking that time and maybe

918
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: it then comes back to only nose breathing. Nose breathing

919
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: is where is our primary respiratory place. That's where we

920
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: should be breathing all day long. When we're expelling through

921
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: our mouth too much, that's when we're losing too much

922
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide and we're not getting oxygen throughout our body. Actually,

923
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: but if we can take that time to slow down,

924
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: we turn on our pair sympathetic system. And when we

925
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: turn on this rest relaxed digest state, we actually are

926
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: improving our fluids that move through our body. We're you

927
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: know which, if once we improve our fluids, that's our glide.

928
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: So that's automatically going to improve your mobility. Can't touch

929
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: your toes, try breathing, and then not only that, but

930
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: it's going to decrease our levels of stress, So it's

931
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: going to automatically take down your QUARTERSOL levels. So especially

932
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: if you're running your own business or in a job

933
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: that's just super stressful environment, or in a surrounded by

934
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: people that are a lot, or maybe you have kids

935
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: that are screaming all the time, Like all of these

936
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: things are stress. Or you sit in traffic and whatever

937
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: it may be, Like, we all have moments of stress.

938
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: So coming back to this place of breath work and

939
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: focusing on that long exhale, that is your place to live.

940
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: And I say low ribcage because you want to feel

941
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: that low ribcage expand it's not just about belly breathing.

942
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: It's about literally expanding in a three sixty pattern from

943
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: your belly to your sides and your back and getting

944
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: out of like a dominant chest or lifting of the shoulders.

945
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, breath work.

946
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I take people back to number one.

947
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: It's going to relieve pain because it also not only

948
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 2: is it going to relieve quarters sol from being able

949
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: to go out throughout the body, but it decreases that

950
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: sensitivity that you have on your nerves as well, and

951
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: that nerves is what is sensing your pain. So if

952
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: you can get into breathwork on a regular basis, I guarantee.

953
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: Your pain is going to start to go down aside

954
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: from the shingles and sin. Did you ever have any

955
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: personal injury yourself that you have to work through using

956
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: your background as well?

957
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've had lots of things. It surprises

958
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: people sometimes. I have scoliosis. I didn't know that until

959
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: when I was teaching plates at a chiropractic office. They

960
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: finally did examine on me and I saw an X

961
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: ray and I was like, you're punking me, Like that's

962
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: not my body and it was because it was like

963
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: this whole s curve and I was like, wow, I

964
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: have scoliosis. I had no idea, Like I knew one

965
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: shoulder was higher, but I just thought it was how

966
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: I worked out or some things very different. And it

967
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: turns out a lot a lot of us have functional ascoliosis.

968
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: And why do we expect the outside to be perfectly

969
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: symmetrical when our insides are not symmetrical, Like our organs

970
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: are all over the place, and even you know, our

971
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: diaphragms are going to be different sizes, and so we

972
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 2: just can't expect everything to be perfectly symmetrical, and that's

973
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: not what we're necessarily going for. We're going for function.

974
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: We're going for being able to move within your body

975
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: that you've been given and hopefully not have as much

976
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: pain while we're doing it. So yeah, I've had different

977
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: Like I have a shoulder blade thing on my right

978
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: side that pops up every once in a while, so

979
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: that really pops up mainly in stress. I remember going

980
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: and I had a car accident. Everyone was fine, I

981
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: was fine, but immediately my right shoulder pain like came on,

982
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, that's so cool

983
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: because I know that that's just from stress, and the

984
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: moment I was able to acknowledge it and know that

985
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: it came from my stress levels rather than a physical pain,

986
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: it went away.

987
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy.

988
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: So how cool is it that we can we can

989
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: allow that to pain can go away if we just

990
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 2: acknowledge and are aware of where it's coming from.

991
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: And I think for me, it's like one thing to

992
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: acknowledge it, but then I also feel like I have

993
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: to do something about it. So that's kind of where

994
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: it comes back to that breathwork idea. For me, I'm like,

995
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: I am so stressed I was like, the one thing

996
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: I will look forward to now is like I want

997
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: to go to yoga on Thursday, and at least by

998
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: putting myself in the room. When I get to yoga,

999
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I'm acknowledging that I'm kind of freaking

1000
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: out and this is now my our dedicated time to

1001
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: just acknowledge it and breathe and like you're going to

1002
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: be okay totally.

1003
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 2: Because the thing is like we're taught that pain is bad.

1004
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: It's not bad. We need pain. If we don't have

1005
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: pain in the body, that is an really important alarm

1006
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: system that if that's not going off, other things will

1007
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: start to escalate. Then if we don't don't know that

1008
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: an organ like organs can refer pain to your back

1009
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: or to your insights or to different parts. And if

1010
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: you don't feel that kind of pain, you don't know

1011
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: that something deeper can be happening. So if we don't

1012
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: have pain, that's actually bad. So when pain happens, acknowledge it,

1013
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: be appreciative of it that your body is actually talking

1014
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: to you.

1015
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we need.

1016
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: To learn how to communicate with our bodies, not fight

1017
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: our bodies, because the moment that the pain comes on,

1018
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: then it becomes a stressful thing. And that's typically what happens, like,

1019
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't have time for this. Why

1020
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: is this happening?

1021
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: Dad?

1022
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Da da. All I'm doing is increasing my corso levels.

1023
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: All I'm doing is increasing my stress, telling my nerves

1024
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: to be on fire even more, telling my body to

1025
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: lock up, be on guard because something terrible is happening.

1026
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: All that's gonna do increase that a moment and experience

1027
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 2: of pain.

1028
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: It's not gonna help, not gonna help. Okay, when it

1029
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: comes to like, if you had to offer one other

1030
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: piece of advice aside from the breath work suggestion to

1031
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: the hurdlers, what would you tell them that they should

1032
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: could be doing more of.

1033
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: Just moving more throughout the day. Anytime we become static,

1034
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: that's where it's the problem. So it's and I don't

1035
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: necessarily go back to do an hour of mobility a day,

1036
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to do that. I don't expect

1037
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: you to do that. But can you sprinkle it in

1038
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: before you get out of bed? Can you do a

1039
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: couple of rotations for your spine while you're at work?

1040
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: Can you get out of your chair and grab on

1041
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: your chair and do some stretches standing up while you're

1042
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: waiting for the coffee. Can you do some upper chest

1043
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: stretches against the doorway or the wall before you go

1044
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: work out? Can you get on the floor and move

1045
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: around for your hips and your feet? Like, can you

1046
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: sprinkle it in on a daily basis, because it's more

1047
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: about that sprinkling and that consistency than the one time

1048
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: a week that you do it.

1049
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's really important. You've definitely inspired

1050
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: me to do ta spine stretches before I go out

1051
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: of bed now. But just this idea that it doesn't

1052
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: need to be you know, an hour time block, a

1053
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: forty five minute time block, even at thirty twenty ten

1054
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: minute time block. It can be one minute here, one

1055
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: minute there. But that's also just like movement in general. Right,

1056
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: this idea that people are like, well, I don't have

1057
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: time to go to a workout class, Like okay, if

1058
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: you don't have time, then what do you have time for? Like,

1059
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: let's be realistic. The other day I had an hour

1060
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: in between meetings and I was like, I have enough

1061
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: time to go run two miles. Yep, it's better than

1062
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: not running at all.

1063
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: Even when I was in PTA school, we formed a

1064
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: workout group during lunches and so it would be like

1065
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: six to eight people the time doing a little workout.

1066
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: Maybe we eat for ten minutes before we go back

1067
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: to class, but like, yeah, you can sit around for

1068
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: an hour, or you can try and move in your body.

1069
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: Even when I was at the hospital, there is one

1070
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: therapist who would just take the stairs up and down

1071
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: all throughout lunch, and so I would go with her.

1072
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: There's always room to move and it doesn't have to

1073
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: look like it's add a workout. It can just be walking. Literally.

1074
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, winding down here, you have the

1075
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: opportunity right now to offer the gen who's going through

1076
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: her hurdle moment, who's feeling all this pain, one piece

1077
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: of advice. Looking back on it, now, what do you

1078
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: tell her?

1079
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: Trust yourself?

1080
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: That's it. Thanks so much for hanging out with me.

1081
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: Please take a moment and leave a quick review of

1082
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,200
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1083
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: this episode. We all face multiple hurdles in life. I

1084
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,839
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Speaker 1: Emily at hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcasts, Jen, Where do they

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Speaker 1: find you? How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 2: Doc Genfit on all the things. Instagram is where I'm

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Speaker 2: most active, but I also I'm on Facebook and YouTube,

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Speaker 2: dot gfit dot com.

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Speaker 1: I love it, love it. I am at Emily Abodi

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Speaker 1: another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time