Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker.
Speaker 1: You know, folks, I'm always grateful, and I say this
Speaker 1: at the top of my interviews with Jonathan, that we
Speaker 1: have somebody whose work is to focus on gun violence
Speaker 1: in this country and how to solve it, how to
Speaker 1: have conversations that actually move push the needle and expand
Speaker 1: people's minds. And you know, for that, I'm always grateful
Speaker 1: to get into conversations, whether there is a headline that
Speaker 1: is horrific and tragic about another mass shooting or not.
Speaker 1: It's important to keep these conversations at the front of
Speaker 1: our minds. And you know, as I talk to Jonathan today,
Speaker 1: a better session that is taking place in Tennessee where
Speaker 1: he is, where his university is, I keep thinking about
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, we're headed into right summer
Speaker 1: is winding its way down. There's still several weeks left
Speaker 1: of summer, but it is winding its way down. How
Speaker 1: do I know this because I see back to school
Speaker 1: commercials And as soon as I start to see back
Speaker 1: to school commercials, it's like, you know, just so depressing.
Speaker 1: Even still as an adult. But what makes me depressed
Speaker 1: is not just the fact that summer is over, but
Speaker 1: that the headlines of school shootings will be back in
Speaker 1: the news because the only reprieve that we have from
Speaker 1: school shootings is summer, right, is when kids are not
Speaker 1: in school, or like we saw during quarantine and COVID,
Speaker 1: when kids are at home. Right, it's the only time
Speaker 1: that we don't see mass shootings. And so every year
Speaker 1: in September, I start to get a pit in my stomach.
Speaker 1: And I don't have kids that I'm sending into the
Speaker 1: school system. So I don't know, honestly how parents are
Speaker 1: able to do it right. But they have no choice
Speaker 1: because we don't have a system that is centered around care,
Speaker 1: right and empathy and compassion. That's not how America works, right,
Speaker 1: It's you know, cash rules everything around me, and the
Speaker 1: NRA is the one that has the bank roll. So
Speaker 1: in this conversation today with Jonathan, we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the art of conversation, what he experienced in
Speaker 1: this pre session ahead of this legislative session that is
Speaker 1: coming up in Tennessee in a few weeks, And I
Speaker 1: ask the question, like, how do you come to the
Speaker 1: table with people who are just crazy. How are we
Speaker 1: supposed to meet in the middle with crazy? So that
Speaker 1: conversation with our fabulous in house doctor is coming up next, folks.
Speaker 1: You know that whenever I have the opportunity to speak
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor each and every week, the
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am always thrilled. And Jonathan, you
Speaker 1: have been a part of a event that took place
Speaker 1: in Tennessee because there is a big session that is
Speaker 1: coming up with regard to gun violence, and the folks
Speaker 1: remember which feels like a million years ago, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was a few months ago that a religious school
Speaker 1: in Tennessee was the latest in a slew of school shootings.
Speaker 1: There were protests led by young people walk out. So
Speaker 1: we learned about the Tennessee three and the two justins
Speaker 1: that were expelled for their participation and their solidarity with
Speaker 1: students that you know, don't want to be gunned down
Speaker 1: in their classroom. Jonathan tell us the latest on what's
Speaker 1: happening in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I'm back in Brooklyn now, but I've
Speaker 2: been in Tennessee all week and we had a big event,
Speaker 2: the first of a number of events in Nashville a
Speaker 2: couple of nights ago that we're just bringing together religious leaders,
Speaker 2: congregants from temples and churches from around Nashville and just
Speaker 2: really having conversations with everyday people and faith leaders about
Speaker 2: what can be done. It's a really important time for
Speaker 2: Nashville right now because, as you mentioned, August twenty first
Speaker 2: of this month, there is what had initially been called
Speaker 2: a special Session on gun violence. This story of this
Speaker 2: for people who don't remember, As you mentioned, there was
Speaker 2: a mass shooting at Covenant School in Nashville, which not
Speaker 2: only was another horrific mass shooting at a school, but
Speaker 2: it was one that really hit home for a lot
Speaker 2: of people because a lot of people know people who
Speaker 2: go to this school or send their kids to this school.
Speaker 2: And it was also a school that followed all the
Speaker 2: quote unquote rules.
Speaker 1: About having armed people all that kind.
Speaker 2: Of stuff, but a very again discrontled former student with
Speaker 2: a grudge and easy access to multiple semi automatic weapons
Speaker 2: that that person had purchased by just going around and
Speaker 2: legally buying a bunch of ar fifteens, and so it's
Speaker 2: set off a kind of what the hell are we
Speaker 2: doing and how do we go here? Which many communities do.
Speaker 2: We've had that conversation in Nashville after the waffle House
Speaker 2: mass shooting in twenty eighteen, and this was kind of
Speaker 2: like a man, enough is enough now. The other important
Speaker 2: thing about this shooting was that Governor Lee had the
Speaker 2: governor of Tennessee, had a personal connection to this shooting.
Speaker 2: They have friends who were among the victims and who
Speaker 2: worked there, and so it wasn't very far removed from
Speaker 2: a lot of people, and so there was a lot
Speaker 2: of protests. There was a lot of pressure and either
Speaker 2: in a moment of bravery or calculation, it's kind of
Speaker 2: hard to tell, right, they called a session and he
Speaker 2: said we're going to have a session to talk about this.
Speaker 2: So initially this was being billed as a session to
Speaker 2: look at kind of what we can do, and people,
Speaker 2: a bunch of us were asked to submit proposals and
Speaker 2: what we can talk about. Do we need more red
Speaker 2: flag laws, more background checks, more school safety. Obviously the
Speaker 2: other side is saying, you know, armed teachers, more guards.
Speaker 2: So it was going to be a kind of what
Speaker 2: do we do and is this a moment where a
Speaker 2: red state actually takes safety and public safety seriously about
Speaker 2: this stuff? Particularly in schools and workplaces, and there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of well, when the call came out, I mean,
Speaker 2: the fact that the call came out is remarkable in
Speaker 2: the first place, because there was a lot of pressure
Speaker 2: from the right to cancel, and so a lot of
Speaker 2: people were thinking, is this thing to be canceled because
Speaker 2: the fire the right leaning Firearms Association in Tennessee said no,
Speaker 2: we don't want to have this, so they called to
Speaker 2: come out to call the legislators back to session a
Speaker 2: couple of days ago. But people are noting that a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that people thought this was going
Speaker 2: to be about gun safety bridging divides is not on
Speaker 2: the docket, and so it'll be really important and people
Speaker 2: should really follow this space because again, on one hand,
Speaker 2: it's important that this conversation is taking place, but is
Speaker 2: this going to be something that just doubles down on
Speaker 2: more guns and guns in schools that seems like a
Speaker 2: real possibility, or is the place where we're going to
Speaker 2: be able to have real conversations. And so that's kind
Speaker 2: of what we're doing in Tennessee is having a bunch
Speaker 2: of conversations leading up to this. A big one the
Speaker 2: other night, another big one through the group millions of
Speaker 2: conversations that's happening on the twentieth and then the sessions
Speaker 2: on the twenty first.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, because you know, I
Speaker 1: am a true believer in conversation, right. I am a
Speaker 1: true believer in people coming to the table. But what
Speaker 1: I recognize about the Republican parties that they're nuts.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's like coming to the table with a crazy
Speaker 1: person and expecting to have, you know, thoughtful conversation and
Speaker 1: meet in the middle on issues. They tell me that
Speaker 1: the sky is purple, and I tell them that the
Speaker 1: sky is blue, and I'm supposed to meet them in
Speaker 1: the middle. I feel as if there have been numerous occasions,
Speaker 1: numerous school shootings, numerous mass shootings, where we said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be it, and we can come
Speaker 1: to the table, we can have a conversation about sensible
Speaker 1: gun laws, right, Tennessee, Like you said, this particular school,
Speaker 1: they had an armed they had armed teachers, they had
Speaker 1: armed security, They had all of the things that the
Speaker 1: right tells us that we need just to have more guns. Right.
Speaker 1: They had an active shooter drill. They had all of
Speaker 1: these things, and nine people were still killed. Right, children
Speaker 1: were still killed. And so when you say come to
Speaker 1: the table or or this isn't going to necessarily be
Speaker 1: what we thought it was, it's just like, where do
Speaker 1: you think these conversations can go when you have one
Speaker 1: party that is hell bent on murder?
Speaker 2: Well, that's a great point. Let me let me take
Speaker 2: you to what we did the other night, because the
Speaker 2: panel we had was it was gun owners and non
Speaker 2: gon owners, it was Republicans and Democrats and independents. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, at least this obviously
Speaker 2: is a sample, a skewed sample, because if you're going
Speaker 2: to go to a conversation about common cause on gun inform,
Speaker 2: you already are selecting out the people who aren't going
Speaker 2: to do it. But I do think that there was
Speaker 2: a surprising level of frustration on across the board about
Speaker 2: the relationship between It's just a lot of people feel
Speaker 2: like this is a problem that every day people could
Speaker 2: come up with better solutions for than elected leaders who
Speaker 2: were in the pocket of the NRA, or judges who
Speaker 2: are put in there to do the bidding of the NRA,
Speaker 2: or who, for all we know, took twenty six paid vacations.
Speaker 1: Did not Declarence Thomas over YEA thirty eight.
Speaker 2: So I do think that the way we structured, at
Speaker 2: least the conversation you asked about the conversation was we
Speaker 2: started off the night and it was organized again by
Speaker 2: this incredible group millions of conversations that tries to do
Speaker 2: bridging the divide. So again I'm not saying this is
Speaker 2: a sample totally because to go to this, you're going
Speaker 2: to want to have the conversation. But the way the
Speaker 2: night started was that people were at like fifteen different
Speaker 2: tables of twelve people, and there were a bunch of
Speaker 2: kind of icebreaker questions. Do you own guns, what do
Speaker 2: you think about guns, What do you think about firearms?
Speaker 2: Do you feel safe in your community? What makes you
Speaker 2: feel safe, what makes you feel unsafe? So we were
Speaker 2: having these kind of conversations that were pretty surprising before
Speaker 2: the event started. And then there was a panel of
Speaker 2: three people, myself, David French, who's a columnist for the
Speaker 2: New York Times but is a wrote for the National Review,
Speaker 2: a Republican, a gun owner, has written in support of
Speaker 2: gun rights, and he and I disagree because he's also
Speaker 2: written in support of the bruined decision and the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court recently in other places. And Jason Dempsey, who's a
Speaker 2: former high ranking officer in the US military who's a
Speaker 2: gun owner and a Democrat and supports gun control. So
Speaker 2: we had three people kind of modeling a conversation who
Speaker 2: were We were asked, how did you come to this topic,
Speaker 2: what do you think can be done? Kind of things,
Speaker 2: and we had a pretty open conversation about where we agreed,
Speaker 2: where we disagreed, and that lasted about an hour, and
Speaker 2: then people went back to the table and they did
Speaker 2: take on points and calls for action, and one of
Speaker 2: the calls for action was come up with talking points
Speaker 2: and then bring them back to your community and make
Speaker 2: a fifteen minute call or outreach or something like that.
Speaker 2: So it's very community focused and just getting people to
Speaker 2: talk to each other. Now again, I mean, I'm writing
Speaker 2: a book about this very point, So I know. The
Speaker 2: frustrating point here is it's not like we need more
Speaker 2: conversation about this, Like eighty percent of people in the
Speaker 2: country already agree about background checks and stuff. It's not
Speaker 2: like we need more conversation. But I think the idea
Speaker 2: is maybe this is a ground up kind of conversation
Speaker 2: that needs to happen among other conversations. I know David
Speaker 2: Hoague has started an organization yesterday that also looks more
Speaker 2: at the electoral process. But I do think that I
Speaker 2: guess I'm surprised, at least in these conversations how much
Speaker 2: there are people who feel frustrated with the status quo,
Speaker 2: which is something you wouldn't know if you didn't have
Speaker 2: these conversations. So I mean, again, I take that with
Speaker 2: a grain of salt, because I'm sure there are people
Speaker 2: who live in Hungary and Russia and China who are
Speaker 2: frustrated with the status quo. If you did, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's not how fascism works, right, It's a top
Speaker 2: down process. But I will say that at least in
Speaker 2: our system, having these conversations that then maybe puts pressure
Speaker 2: on people about the will of the people is an
Speaker 2: important way to at least model and if not at
Speaker 2: least understand how the other side thinks so that you
Speaker 2: can better understand how to intervene.
Speaker 1: How did the talking the drafting of the talking points go.
Speaker 1: Were you able to see any of those that folks
Speaker 1: came up with on their own, as opposed to, like
Speaker 1: you said, it coming from the top down.
Speaker 2: The story I told in my part of the channel.
Speaker 2: When I was writing Dying of Whiteness, I was in
Speaker 2: southern Missouri, and I came as a really kind of
Speaker 2: openly as a liberal gun control person. But I wanted
Speaker 2: to understand what guns meant in people's lives, and I
Speaker 2: interviewed as people who know the book, I interviewed people
Speaker 2: who had lost family members to guns suicide, and it
Speaker 2: was they were incredible, like brave, remarkable survivor, people who
Speaker 2: were suffering the most unimaginable loss you can think of.
Speaker 2: But when I would they and they agreed to speak
Speaker 2: with me, which I thought was incredible. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I was in issues if I would if a
Speaker 2: conservative Republican came to talk to me about something like this,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would do it or not, honestly,
Speaker 2: but they were great. But when I would do the interviews,
Speaker 2: I would go in and I'd you know, we talk
Speaker 2: about the loss and what it meant and really horrible stories.
Speaker 2: And then when they would say I would, I would
Speaker 2: ask this question in the beginning of the interviews when
Speaker 2: I started doing them, and it was did this experience
Speaker 2: change the way you think about guns? Like losing a
Speaker 2: child to gun suicide, and they would look at me like,
Speaker 2: you don't get it at all, do you. And that
Speaker 2: that was the moment where I was kind of outed
Speaker 2: as a liberal because what they said. You know, what
Speaker 2: people would tell me is, you know, it's not the
Speaker 2: gun's fault, or this is guns are part of our
Speaker 2: religion or whatever. Now judgment aside about how people might
Speaker 2: think about that answer. The point was, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like if you're a really religious person and then somebody
Speaker 2: you know, gets struck by lightning, and somebody gets interviewed
Speaker 2: and they say, this outsider asks you, does this change
Speaker 2: how you feel about God or something like that, And
Speaker 2: what you find is when people suffer loss like that,
Speaker 2: they actually become more ideological, more religious, more talismanic. And
Speaker 2: so in a way, this was a question that identified
Speaker 2: me as an outsider in a way, and they were like, no,
Speaker 2: it doesn't change how I feel about guns. Guns are
Speaker 2: my protector. It makes me think about responsible people or
Speaker 2: something like that. So I actually changed that question when
Speaker 2: I was doing the interviews. I would later ask what
Speaker 2: can we do to better keep our families safe? You know,
Speaker 2: just kind of.
Speaker 1: Keep which is a totally different question, right, But for
Speaker 1: you as a researcher, it is going to provide you
Speaker 1: with some insight as to how people are thinking. But
Speaker 1: the first question was one that would just shut people down.
Speaker 2: Well because it identified like what I was asking them
Speaker 2: was just having this horrible thing happened to you make
Speaker 2: you want to become a Democrat. But I mean that's
Speaker 2: how they heard it, and that's probably what I meant
Speaker 2: in the beginning. And so I realized, like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: coming in with some preconceived assumptions that having this thing
Speaker 2: happen will change people from point A to point B,
Speaker 2: and I live at point B, and it was just
Speaker 2: one of these things. It wasn't about a debate, It
Speaker 2: wasn't about who you're going to vote for or anything
Speaker 2: like that. It was just about people's life and loss
Speaker 2: and mourning and trauma. And I realized, you know, I'd
Speaker 2: need to learn better how to have this conversation if
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to people who don't agree with me,
Speaker 2: but who also are the people who own guns and
Speaker 2: support gun owners. And so that was the story I
Speaker 2: told at the panel about how I learned a lesson
Speaker 2: in my own research just about what it means to
Speaker 2: talk to people about this. And I felt like it
Speaker 2: was actually really instructive for me because my aim was
Speaker 2: not to change their mind, it was to have the conversation.
Speaker 2: But the way I asked the question, they heard it
Speaker 2: as like, why won't you change your mind? And I
Speaker 2: think for me that was the kind of story that
Speaker 2: people were telling, Like how do other people think about
Speaker 2: this when you have a gun? What do you imagine
Speaker 2: that gun's going to do? Or what do you think
Speaker 2: about gun owners? Like those kind of things that kind
Speaker 2: of get people talking about assumptions, biases, and also about
Speaker 2: the thing itself. I will say, if I have time,
Speaker 2: just one other thing that happened out of this thing,
Speaker 2: which is that they asked this question, and you know,
Speaker 2: I go back and forth between Tennessee and Brooklyn, and
Speaker 2: they said, how safe do you feel five on a
Speaker 2: scale of five in your neighborhood?
Speaker 1: By being the most safe.
Speaker 2: And five being them was safe. And the other interesting
Speaker 2: thing is I didn't realize I was going to say this,
Speaker 2: but they said, and all these people were like, I
Speaker 2: live in the suburbs, and I feel four out of
Speaker 2: five safe because somebody could still come and attack me.
Speaker 2: Or there could be a mass shooting or something. And
Speaker 2: when it got to me, it's like, this is really weird.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't thought about this before, but I split
Speaker 2: time between Nashville and New York, and when I'm in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: I really feel five out of five safe for the
Speaker 2: most part. I mean, there's bad stuff if you go
Speaker 2: on like one of those apps, the crime apps, like
Speaker 2: stuff's happening everywhere, but there are also like people around,
Speaker 2: and there are gun laws, and there are bike lanes
Speaker 2: and people are looking out for each other. Like I
Speaker 2: have to say, I feel really pretty safe when I'm
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, Like there's just.
Speaker 1: So did you say, did you say a five?
Speaker 2: I said a five about Brooklyn? I did. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy because it's but I just feel
Speaker 2: like there are people around. I mean, stuff can always happen,
Speaker 2: and stuff's happened to you and to me, but somehow
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm part of a system where there's
Speaker 2: just like you're just there are people around, and somehow
Speaker 2: I find that reassuring.
Speaker 1: And I thought, I find that I feel absolutely the same.
Speaker 1: I feel that if I were in a place where
Speaker 1: let's say I'm in a I remember house sitting for
Speaker 1: a former boss of mine who lived in like rural Maryland,
Speaker 1: and his neighbor his next neighbor was you know, like
Speaker 1: a mile away and either in either direction, and it
Speaker 1: was so quiet, and I felt so unsafe. I was like,
Speaker 1: if I were to scream, no one is going to
Speaker 1: hear me. If like something happens, like, no one is
Speaker 1: going to come to my aid. And I realized that
Speaker 1: I felt like, and this is a product of living
Speaker 1: in the city, is that I felt more comfortable and
Speaker 1: more safe knowing that there's somebody on the other side
Speaker 1: of the wall, whether up or down or next door, that,
Speaker 1: like I muffled sounds is a comfort in me.
Speaker 2: But also, like people think, it's not just about the noise.
Speaker 2: It's about people think community, right, Like if you just
Speaker 2: go on the subway and drop a dollar, twenty people
Speaker 2: will say, hey, you dropped a dollar, you know, like
Speaker 2: it happens all the time in a million different ways
Speaker 2: in New York. And what I said the difference is
Speaker 2: I live in a city in Nashville too. I have
Speaker 2: an apartment in downtown in Nashville. And I said, but
Speaker 2: in Nashville, I have like I feel a three out
Speaker 2: of five because the system is not built for safety
Speaker 2: right in Nashville. The example I gave is in New York,
Speaker 2: there are bike lanes that are protected bike lanes pretty
Speaker 2: much everywhere. I mean, I know people get hit all
Speaker 2: the time on their bikes. But in Nashville, they just
Speaker 2: paint a picture of the bike on the road so
Speaker 2: that the cars are supposed to see you, but you're
Speaker 2: actually there's no bike lane, so that it's just like
Speaker 2: and so people get whacked all the time. Like there's
Speaker 2: nobody saying like protected bike lanes in Nashville. There are
Speaker 2: no gun laws in Nashville. And so I said, like,
Speaker 2: I only feel a three out of five in Nashville
Speaker 2: because like the system is set up. It's not a
Speaker 2: public health system. It's like whoever has the biggest car
Speaker 2: runs down the road and tough if you run over
Speaker 2: a biker. That's kind of how it feels. And everybody
Speaker 2: there freaked out and they're like what New York, that's
Speaker 2: where like Biggie Small's just had that thing in Union
Speaker 2: Square giving away, like you know, that's just they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's whatever. It's like it's just like and conversely, you know,
Speaker 2: people in New York. I mean whatever Nashville does, But
Speaker 2: I just said Nashville feels less safe for me, and
Speaker 2: I realized it's in part because of gun laws. Also
Speaker 2: that there are just are no gun laws in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and so I feel like the chance of anything happening
Speaker 2: in that regard just feels much higher there, and data
Speaker 2: bears that out. And so I don't know, those kind
Speaker 2: of conversations I found to be really helpful. You asked like,
Speaker 2: how can we have conversations? But I think in a
Speaker 2: way it was just kind of it was more usually
Speaker 2: I just get up and give a lecture, and this
Speaker 2: was let's talk openly and honestly, and then everybody would say,
Speaker 2: here are the take on points I heard about what
Speaker 2: you said, and here's how we can build off of it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I thought it was kind of cool.
Speaker 2: No matter what happens from this possible quite possibly bogus
Speaker 2: session on the twenty first.
Speaker 1: I do think that it is important. One. I would
Speaker 1: be really interested to see what the response is to
Speaker 1: that question of safety, how safety you feel in you know,
Speaker 1: pick a state and go to the rural area, the
Speaker 1: city and the suburbs and ask that same question about
Speaker 1: safety and how and how safe people feel, because it's
Speaker 1: it's really interesting that everything is shaped by your perspective
Speaker 1: and your lived experience, and that's what that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of conversations are to understand other people's perspectives and like
Speaker 1: how the world has shaped them right, so that you
Speaker 1: can figure out, Okay, well, how do I really connect
Speaker 1: with this person? Because the purpose is right in humanity,
Speaker 1: is for us to be able to connect to one
Speaker 1: another right and not just live a life of dismissal,
Speaker 1: dismissing people and their opinions and their experiences. And so
Speaker 1: for me, it's just like I think that that that
Speaker 1: conversation is important. I think that all fucking like focused
Speaker 1: groups to probably fit in on that sit in on
Speaker 1: that conversation to figure out how to construct the questions
Speaker 1: that they ask for the polls that they give us
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. But Jonathan, you'll have to follow
Speaker 1: up with us when this session actually does take place
Speaker 1: to let us know what the outcome is and if
Speaker 1: it is bogus as you're as you're thinking it is
Speaker 1: going to be, or if it actually can be used
Speaker 1: as a model for how we move forward in red state.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's important. I mean, at the most
Speaker 2: basic level, going to win a debate if you don't
Speaker 2: understand the other person's perspective and talk to it. So,
Speaker 2: even if it's strategic about why people are having these conversations,
Speaker 2: I think they're important conversations to be having. But again, TVD,
Speaker 2: on this session, we'll have to see that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people talking about it and paying attention to it,
Speaker 2: so it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, Jonathan, we will leave it there and pick
Speaker 1: it up again next week.
Speaker 2: Thank what's new? What's my new sign off? Now?
Speaker 1: Stay safe? I love puppies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, gogo go by the tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ride a bike safely in a real bike lane.
Speaker 1: But we appreciate you. That is it for me today,
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