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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo and Alana. It was

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Speaker 2: to myself, Paul Skens was in Triple A for about

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Speaker 2: But you know to who much is given, Ken, much

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Speaker 1: They're extreme and this is the quickest debut by a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, three hundred and seven days Ken, that's all he

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Speaker 2: You saw the hype video there, five eleven, twenty four.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be hard press Ken to have a better

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Speaker 1: I was there that night when Strasburg made his debut

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Speaker 2: Where do the Cardinals go from here?

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Speaker 1: Bullpen Ryan Helsley would be ideal. He is making three

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Speaker 1: Kimberl is a problem. They have removed him from save

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Speaker 1: This is not foul territory where there's an F bomb

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Speaker 2: territory continues. This is from Denoco Dad. If the Angels

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Speaker 2: now from Isaac regarding a show to Imanaga. This guy's

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Speaker 2: Imanaga remind you some of another stout lefty from forty

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Speaker 1: to the off season, Alan and I believe I've mentioned

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Speaker 1: There is no chance this guy is not that good. Well,

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Speaker 3: The way he's picture, no doubt about it. All right,

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Speaker 3: how about another super chat.

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Speaker 2: This is a great question too, because it's this is

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Speaker 3: of our chat. Here unfair territory.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm live in Israel, Hi, Eli, welcome a huge

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Speaker 2: White Sox fan.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: If we can put that back up there, that would

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Speaker 2: be awesome. Guys, it just went away. It's regarding the

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Speaker 2: White Sox ablet's put that back up there. If we can't,

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Speaker 2: thank you. I wanted to know when we will be

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Speaker 2: good again, and Chris gets a good and farm system

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Speaker 2: getting better. So just a little bit more about the

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Speaker 2: White Sox, Chris gets and and Eli of course in

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Speaker 2: Israel's hoping that his favorite squad, the pale Hose, give

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Speaker 2: him a reason to watch in Israel.

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Speaker 1: Ken Well Eli A. J. Prazinski, former member of the

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Speaker 1: White Sox, former employee of the White Sox, has said

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Speaker 1: a number of times on Foul Territory that Chris Getz

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Speaker 1: was the farm director when the White Sox were kind

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Speaker 1: of going through all this the last several years, and

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Speaker 1: they have not produced out of their farm system a

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Speaker 1: very good group. So from that perspective, I do wonder

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Speaker 1: if gets is going to be the right guy. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I do like what they've done

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Speaker 1: so far in terms of trading veteran assets for younger pieces.

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Speaker 1: They did it again with Robbie Grossman just this week,

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Speaker 1: and that ultimately, if they can identify the right players,

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Speaker 1: and remember they made some trades last year as well,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, they can perhaps build a foundation. It will

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Speaker 1: take a while, there's no doubt about that. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, they've got to do it, and they've

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Speaker 1: got to figure out a better path. I would like

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Speaker 1: to see some interesting drafts here. They've not drafted all

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Speaker 1: that well either, but they do have some kids coming

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Speaker 1: and we'll just have to say what it all plays out.

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Speaker 1: My advice, Eli would be to be patient, Nahaa.

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Speaker 3: Be patient.

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Speaker 2: I do want to circle back for a secon on

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Speaker 2: a comparison question, and I'm kind of throwing you a

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Speaker 2: curve ball before we get to dude in Dork when

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Speaker 2: we're doing the comparison between Emanaga and Fernando Valenzuela. I

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Speaker 2: know that you've seen it all over social media this

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Speaker 2: week about Louisa Rise and Tony gwen Junior through the

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Speaker 2: first four hundred or five hundred and seventy career games.

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Speaker 2: What is your take on that, please? Hall of Famer

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Speaker 2: Tony Gwin to Luisa Rise.

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Speaker 1: Luisa Rise is the closest current player I would say

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Speaker 1: to Tony Gwynn. I don't know that anyone would really

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Speaker 1: dispute that, but to me, there's only one Tony Gwynn.

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Speaker 1: And Tony Gwinn had some power as well, not a lot,

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Speaker 1: but he had some power, and he was a guy

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Speaker 1: that just was singular in the game, a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame player. I don't know that a Rise is quite

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Speaker 1: there yet. And if he continues and keeps piling up

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Speaker 1: hits and maybe it develops a little bit more power.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's his game, of course, maybe,

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Speaker 1: but what do you think to me, it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit much to go there.

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Speaker 2: No, I think yeah, I mean, I think comparison is

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Speaker 2: the thief of joy, and I don't like comparing players,

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Speaker 2: especially in somewhat different eras if you will, but I

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Speaker 2: mean Tony Gwynn is just a man that there is

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Speaker 2: no comparison to. You know, obviously he never struck out

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Speaker 2: by the way, Happy heavenly birthday to Tony Gwynn Senior.

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Speaker 2: So no, I don't think that's fair to Luis Rise either,

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Speaker 2: you know, to compare him to Hall of Famer Tony Gwinn,

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Speaker 2: let him.

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Speaker 3: Let him play his own game.

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Speaker 2: They have very similar numbers through five seventy, and Luisa

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Speaker 2: Rise is a good player in his own right. But

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Speaker 2: there's a lot more that needs to be done before

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Speaker 2: you can compare anybody to Tony Gwynn Senior. Okay, time

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Speaker 2: now for Dude and Dork of the Week, and Ken

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Speaker 2: you had talked about who you might use as your dork,

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Speaker 2: but let's start with your dude.

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Speaker 1: Well, it could be Otani, could be Bryce Harper, could

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Speaker 1: be any number of players in the game. However, I

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Speaker 1: am going with a piece of meat, a literal piece

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Speaker 1: of meat. The Twins rally sausage. What they've done since

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Speaker 1: breaking out this sausage, and again it's still it's rapper,

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Speaker 1: so it's not a health hazard. The fourteen and two

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Speaker 1: this thing has like magic powers. So the dude of

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Speaker 1: the week has to be the Rally sausage. I know,

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Speaker 1: Rocoballdelli the Twins maddress express concern that it could be

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Speaker 1: a health hazard, but no, no, no, no, it's the Twins'

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Speaker 1: magic potion Rally sausage. Due to the week.

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Speaker 2: All right, my dude of the week is not a

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Speaker 2: piece of meat, but one person that has the most

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Speaker 2: beautiful smile and the most contagious laugh in all of baseball,

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Speaker 2: Dexter Fowler.

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Speaker 3: That is not why he is my Dude of the

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Speaker 3: week because of his teeth.

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Speaker 2: It is because this is a kid that made a

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Speaker 2: promise to his parents many years ago that he was

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Speaker 2: going to finish his degree, but he was drafted out

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Speaker 2: of high school. Obviously, he played fourteen years in the

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Speaker 2: Big so he's fully vested. He made over one hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars. He continues to be incredibly successful off the field.

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Speaker 2: He owns two companies and he just graduated from Penn

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Speaker 2: State University. I'm so proud of him. I covered him

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Speaker 2: when he was a Colorado Rocky. The nicest human being,

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Speaker 2: a guy that is always in a good mood, always friendly,

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Speaker 2: always happy, continues to crush it. World Series champion. Congratulations

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Speaker 2: William Dexter Fowler, He's my dude of the week. How

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Speaker 2: about your dork of the week?

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Speaker 3: Ken Well?

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Speaker 1: First of all, Alana, I second you on Dexter, one

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Speaker 1: of my all time favorite guys in the game. Dork

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Speaker 1: of the week, with no offense to your hometown, Alana.

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Speaker 1: The Colorado Rockies have the worst record in baseball. Worse, yes,

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Speaker 1: than the Chicago White Sox. The Colorado Rockies are even

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Speaker 1: in some ways more offensive than the White Sox, the

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Speaker 1: Marlins and the Asian You know what, because the Colorado

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Speaker 1: Rockies are irrelevant. They're not even mildly interesting. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about their players. I'm not ripping their players. Fine,

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00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: only a few of them chose to be there. A

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Speaker 1: few of them. Did Bryant was one. Charlie Blackman's chosen

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Speaker 1: to stay, some of those pictures who signed extensions. But

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about ownership. I'm talking about to a degree,

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Speaker 1: the front office, but really it's ownership. This team is

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Speaker 1: utterly vanilla. There's nothing interesting about them. The Marlins at

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00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: least make stupid trades, well questionable trades, I should say,

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Speaker 1: the A's, or at least come leaving Oakland. They're completely

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00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: just blowing up their whole situation. There. Not saying these

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Speaker 1: are good things, but they're interesting. It's some weird fashion.

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Speaker 1: The Rockies are nothing, They're irrelevant. They're the dorks of

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Speaker 1: the week.

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Speaker 3: My dork of the week is the Marlins organization.

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Speaker 2: And when you you know, proverbial wave the white flag

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Speaker 2: can to say that we're going to go ahead and

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Speaker 2: trade our best player Luisa Rise before single Demio, and

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Speaker 2: then you double down and verbally say we are unlikely

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Speaker 2: to make the playoffs this year. Well, obviously you're not

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Speaker 2: going to make the playoffs this year, Peter Bendix, President

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Speaker 2: of Baseball Operations. Because you do trade away your best player,

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Speaker 2: you let Kim Ang walk out the door.

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Speaker 3: Who has more.

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Speaker 2: Baseball acumen in her left pinky than most of us

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Speaker 2: do in our entire bodies.

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Speaker 3: And then you go ahead and.

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Speaker 2: Tell a fan base that doesn't show up to the

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Speaker 2: games anyway that you're probably not going to make the postseason.

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Speaker 3: They are my dork of the week.

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Speaker 2: This is what happens, Ken when you try to run

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00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: other franchises like the Tampa Bay Rays ran their franchise.

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Speaker 2: The only team that can run it like the Rays

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Speaker 2: are the Rays. And I just don't understand why you

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Speaker 2: have to come out on May fourth and say you're

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Speaker 2: unlikely to make the postseason A lot.

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Speaker 1: I wrote this set it on foul territory as well.

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00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: This was a self fulfilling prophecy. They spent the off

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Speaker 1: season doing nothing, sign one free agent Tim Anderson five

580
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Speaker 1: million dollars. He's not working out at all. You basically

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Speaker 1: have conceded before the season started. So, yes, you're unlikely

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. No kidding, of course you were

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Speaker 1: unlikely to make the playoffs. You were never trying to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. And the most offensive thing about it

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00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: to me, and this goes again to ownership. You're coming

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Speaker 1: off your first postseason appearance in a full season, not

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Speaker 1: counting the COVID campaign since you won the World Series

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00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three and you can't build off that,

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00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: you can't generate a little bit of momentum. Nope, you're

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Speaker 1: going back backwards again.

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Speaker 2: No good, Completely agree and skip Schumacher has already said

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want to sign any sort of extension or

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Speaker 2: be there.

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Speaker 3: I mean that says a lot you. Let himming know.

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00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: Maybe Derek Jeter slaw the light when he left South

596
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: Beach realizing what direction this franchise was going into and

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00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: they weren't heading in the right direction as far as

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00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: Jeter is concerned. So that is our dude and our

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Speaker 2: dork of the week. Can I appreciate it as always

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Speaker 3: Have a good rest of your week. Ken, We'll see

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Speaker 1: Do a lot of thank you n