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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cutting the Distance Field Reports, breaking news from

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Speaker 1: the Elkwoods, and now your host, Jason Phelps. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the first installment of the Field Reports here and Cutting

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Speaker 1: the Distance. We are in New Mexico with Ryan Callahan,

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Speaker 1: and we just finished up seven days, first seven days

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Speaker 1: in September. Oh, cutting here and pretty good New Mexico unit.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm just gonna kind of talk about what

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Speaker 1: we've seen out there. What was your takeaway from this hunt,

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Speaker 1: gl Like, what was the kind of the overarching theme?

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Speaker 1: What do we see out there? Well, my first takeaway

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Speaker 1: is is why can you do seven days of hiking

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Speaker 1: and then and feel pretty darn good really and then

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Speaker 1: wake up in a hotel and kind of feel like crap.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird thing that we should get into at

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Speaker 1: some point, you know, early season New Mexico, where it's hot. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming from like the Montana, Idaho methodology of

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Speaker 1: try to find where it's cool because that's where the

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Speaker 1: rut action is going to start because nobody likes to

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Speaker 1: work too hard when it's hot. M I always kind

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Speaker 1: of come down here with the idea that it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be tougher than you think it is, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it was tough and the um like the social activity

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Speaker 1: of the elk that we ran into. But it was

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Speaker 1: easy in the finding of the elk. So my attitude

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Speaker 1: was great the whole time. And I was like, oh, yeah, this,

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Speaker 1: how could it not happen? Yeah, we showed up. We

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Speaker 1: were here two nights ahead. And then the night you

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Speaker 1: showed up, we went scouting. You know, bulls are biggle

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Speaker 1: and they were elk were easy to find, you know,

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Speaker 1: and close to the road, far away from the road,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, this is gonna you know, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be going. And then we got into the hunt,

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Speaker 1: um and things just they we're pretty slow, um, you know.

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Speaker 1: They Day one we got into a few you know,

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Speaker 1: active little pockets. Um. You know, that was one of

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Speaker 1: the few days we've seen some you know running action

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Speaker 1: where you know, bull was pushing some cows and and

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Speaker 1: kind of right on their tail. But well yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and specifically a cow right like he had a It

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Speaker 1: was a really cool five point I think anybody would

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Speaker 1: love to love to take um. And he was. He

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Speaker 1: had a single cow cut off and was working her.

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Speaker 1: And there were several other cows in the group. So

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Speaker 1: that that's really like the only distinct rut activity that

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Speaker 1: I personally saw over the eight days, and we last night,

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Speaker 1: we've seen you know, a large, well five point bull

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Speaker 1: not large, you know, kind of running a spike off

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Speaker 1: of the herd. But like you said, other than that

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Speaker 1: great right activity yet. Um talk about the two biggest

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Speaker 1: bulls we've seen. Um, you know, on day two or three,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what day, it was completely solo, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, a bigger six point and a very very

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Speaker 1: large five point um completely you know, offen a canyon

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Speaker 1: with no cows in it. I don't think we ever

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Speaker 1: did see a cow on that side. Um. It just

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Speaker 1: I'm never wanting to say, you know, ex September the

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Speaker 1: Elker udding somewhere, but these two bowls kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: knew that the party hadn't started yet they definitely did.

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Speaker 1: And we got within let's let's say a hundred and

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Speaker 1: if I wanted to be accurate in a lazy way,

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Speaker 1: under a hundred and fifty yards for sure of the

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Speaker 1: um six point and you know, certainly by body size,

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Speaker 1: he'd be a mature bull. And anybody's category, huge fronts,

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Speaker 1: you know, lots of mass up front, like just a

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Speaker 1: And he got a bugle in his bed and took

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Speaker 1: off and ran the other direction. Yeah, and we we

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Speaker 1: approached that one um just prior to that, prior to

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Speaker 1: the bugle, we had let some real soft calicolls right

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Speaker 1: that there's a lone bowl, you know, there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of competition. Maybe we can just coax him up

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Speaker 1: here with some cal calls. And I think maybe fift

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Speaker 1: And it's just you can't make headser tails that he's

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Speaker 1: to see his tail end as he rolled out of there,

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Speaker 1: and I think, Yeah, the frustrating theme was when we

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Speaker 1: could locate or bowls were at least talking on their own,

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Speaker 1: the they immediately clammed up when you cut the distance

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Speaker 1: I think we gotta be within you know, three hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: It was really hard to get any storty of conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and on the mountain we talked to a couple other

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Speaker 1: guys that hun in this area. Lot Um. One of

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Speaker 1: the dynamics that we experienced, and I have to imagine

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Speaker 1: it's not how the September is gonna end up, is

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Speaker 1: he was surprised, just as we were surprised the bulls

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Speaker 1: we're in a pre phase or something because I can't imagine, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the bulls that are currently running large herds

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Speaker 1: have some bigger bulls move in. Um. It made it difficult.

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Speaker 1: You know. They they you'd mentioned it last night, are

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Speaker 1: one of our last herds of all we got to

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Speaker 1: play you know, six six branch bowls together. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these bulls weren't interested in fighting or

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Speaker 1: So it changed that dynamic of you know being able

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Speaker 1: We would do that over and over and just kind

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Speaker 1: of have them shut up or take their hours away

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Speaker 1: of the you're really finding the needle in the haystack,

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Speaker 1: right the bull that wants to play the game even

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Speaker 1: though the game's not happening. Because that situation last night

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Speaker 1: does sum it up perfectly right. There's six branch handlered

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Speaker 1: certainly like took some of the tricks out of the playbook,

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Speaker 1: But it almost seemed like the elk here were holding up.

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Speaker 1: You know, they were smart enough they weren't gonna come

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Speaker 1: So I think it's maybe got these elk a little

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Speaker 1: there was I mean just some absolute amazing ELK viewing.

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Speaker 1: but not general zone. It was was really cool. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's all based on assumption. And we've both been able

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Speaker 1: any head butting, any strategy differences, both both willing to

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Speaker 1: roll with with the idiosyncrasies and and go and and

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Speaker 1: so I can't. We just didn't lose a lot of

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Speaker 1: time anywhere we we're going, despite the monsoons at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and despite the heat for the rest of the week.

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Speaker 1: And ah, shockingly, I mean maybe one or two elk

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Speaker 1: we blew out, which is just bizarre, bizarre, like I

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Speaker 1: mean so um, and we were trying it at I

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Speaker 1: would say we hit low, mid, high, and maybe we

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Speaker 1: just missed out on extreme high elevations. Yeah that's it. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this unit, you know, we'll get better, um

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Speaker 1: with some time, you know, move the more mature bowls

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Speaker 1: in and have some of those more semimature satellite bowls,

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Speaker 1: you know, pester and number pestering each other. I think

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Speaker 1: this unit is gonna get a little bit better. But

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Speaker 1: you know, good hunt um difficulty, you big sized humble pie.

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Speaker 1: But h September's early, you know, we're still really early

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Speaker 1: in September. September it's only September eighth, ninth day, um,

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Speaker 1: and so I have a feeling by time we report

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Speaker 1: back here in a couple more weeks, um, Except you know,

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Speaker 1: the ruts gonna be rolling on the back side of

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Speaker 1: the full moon. All the good all the little things

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Speaker 1: that have, you know, little contributing factors, we're all going

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Speaker 1: to be in the elk Hunter's favor. So exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's uh bowls definitely died this week. We didn't do

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Speaker 1: the killing. Um. There's people having success and lot to

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Speaker 1: other units and lots of other states and this unit. Um,

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Speaker 1: But it's only gonna get better. There's gonna be as

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Speaker 1: these like harem changes take place and the dynamics, the

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Speaker 1: social dynamics of these bowls running into each other and

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Speaker 1: clashing and the reorganization of the pecking orders come into play,

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Speaker 1: and these cows start coming into astros. You may be

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Speaker 1: the one who just falls right in that big o

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Speaker 1: rupt party. Should should get good. Well, appreciate having you here, cow. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's been fun, and the next time we'll have to

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Speaker 1: go go find somewhere in the mountains to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially uh dinky bowls and units where anything is a great,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks, thanks and