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Speaker 2: in the final hour before we get to what we
Speaker 2: learned later on the show, Greg Cosell, who joins me
Speaker 2: every week on the Rosstucker Podcast. He'll be up in
Speaker 2: about twenty minutes. Nobody breaks down the quarterbacks like Greg.
Speaker 2: But it's college hoops time. It right now is when
Speaker 2: I get engaged with college basketball. Football's behind us. You know,
Speaker 2: we got a month and a half before the draft.
Speaker 2: Right now is when I engage Maverick and get ready
Speaker 2: to watch these conference tournaments as well as obviously March. Matt,
Speaker 2: you'd like that.
Speaker 3: Paulley as a nice quick reference, engage mavericks work.
Speaker 2: You know what else I use from that movie a lot?
Speaker 2: Bys This thing will be over in two minutes. Do
Speaker 2: you remember that?
Speaker 3: Does it bother you when people don't get references like
Speaker 3: that if you make that joke with a bunch of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Marv's is looking at me like he does
Speaker 2: no idea what I'm talking about. Marv's like staring through
Speaker 2: my my my soul right lost? Is that from like
Speaker 2: a Western or something?
Speaker 4: Maverick seatan even know you're messaging type of Western movie
Speaker 4: about it?
Speaker 5: I didn't see the one yet though, you didn't see Maverick.
Speaker 2: No, how is that possible that you I don't want
Speaker 2: I don't I don't watch very many movies. I have kids.
Speaker 2: I care about my children. I like to spend time with
Speaker 2: my children.
Speaker 5: You gotta change that up, man, What do you mean
Speaker 5: you gotta care about them?
Speaker 2: You watch TV shows and you go to movies. I
Speaker 2: spend quality time with my children. I'm a I'm a
Speaker 2: good dad.
Speaker 5: Take mistake, seatan.
Speaker 2: Did you watch the first one Top Gun of course,
Speaker 2: like twenty times? Yeah? Then you saw the second one? Seriously. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when I was leaving the Eagles postgame Super Bowl party,
Speaker 2: that guy was walking in though, Miles Miles Teller, Miles Teller,
Speaker 2: he was. He was walking in while I was walking out.
Speaker 2: I had to catch the red eye back. But I've
Speaker 2: never seen the movies. I don't really know much about
Speaker 2: him other than he's popular and he's an Eagles fan.
Speaker 2: Let's get to John Rothstein. He's a CBS Sports college
Speaker 2: basketball insider. By the way, when I first got in
Speaker 2: the media two thousand and seven, okay, I was still
Speaker 2: on injured reserve with the Washington football team. Made a
Speaker 2: different name. Back then. I did a TV show with
Speaker 2: John Rothstein. At times, I don't even remember the name
Speaker 2: of the show. John, Do you remember this name of
Speaker 2: the show? Seth was the producer. It was like we
Speaker 2: would go around the horn kind of you were in
Speaker 2: New York. I was indifferent. Do you remember that show?
Speaker 4: I think it was out of line on c or
Speaker 4: out of boundary.
Speaker 2: Out of bounds, out of bounds.
Speaker 4: Yes, I remember it vividly.
Speaker 6: Ross. Great to be with you this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you are killing it. It's been fun to
Speaker 2: follow your career. It's funny. You probably hear this a lot, John,
Speaker 2: I know you're full invested in it. I don't follow
Speaker 2: college hoops hardly at all until right now and now
Speaker 2: this weekend and this week I will root for like
Speaker 2: my my, my wife and sister in law went to Bucknell,
Speaker 2: right I went to Princeton. I will root for them
Speaker 2: like you wouldn't believe. I think it's the coolest part
Speaker 2: of maybe any sport, is rooting for your alma mater
Speaker 2: or for smaller schools to have their chance at the dance.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing Ross that's become so interesting because
Speaker 4: of the changing landscape in college basketball. There's less player attention,
Speaker 4: especially at the mid major level. So we are going
Speaker 4: to enter all these conference tournaments here over the next week,
Speaker 4: and we are going to see different teams seeded a
Speaker 4: certain way entering these conference tournaments. Seeds had never been
Speaker 4: more meaningless in these obvious conference tournaments than they are
Speaker 4: right now because the lack of player attention. And another
Speaker 4: thing you have to remember. Last year, only twelve teams
Speaker 4: out of the thirty two conferences that won their respective
Speaker 4: regular seasons went on to when automatic qualifiers to the
Speaker 4: NCAA Tournament by winning their conference tournament. Russ Ducker, this
Speaker 4: is March.
Speaker 2: Wow. One third actually won their conference tournament. So this
Speaker 2: is self serving, okay, But I got to ask you
Speaker 2: about Princeton quick, all right. My understanding is that they
Speaker 2: have like the two best players in the IVY League.
Speaker 2: They have Alec Pierce, the colt receiver, his younger brother Kayden,
Speaker 2: And they have the point guard from Toronto that put
Speaker 2: his name into the NBA draft last year. I think
Speaker 2: his name Xavian Lee. I just looked John. We're in
Speaker 2: fourth place in the IVY League. We're like seven and six.
Speaker 2: I've been working, I've been practicing every day for this.
Speaker 2: Why are we not good?
Speaker 4: Well? Princeton in a lot of ways is kind of
Speaker 4: the polar op of what Princeton went through last year.
Speaker 4: Last year, Princeton was a heavy favor going to the
Speaker 4: Ivy League tournament and was upset in that tournament as
Speaker 4: the team that everybody thought was going to be one
Speaker 4: of the best mid majors in the country. And now
Speaker 4: you look at what's happened to Princeton. Yes, there's zaviing Lee,
Speaker 4: lest there's Caden Pierce, but look at some of the
Speaker 4: ancillary players. Zach Martini no longer on Princeton from a
Speaker 4: year ago, He's on Rutgers. Because we have to remember
Speaker 4: right now that these players still have the ability to
Speaker 4: move and go to other places. Matt a Loco, another
Speaker 4: player who was on that Princeton team from a year
Speaker 4: ago that was upset in the Ivy League tournament, went
Speaker 4: and played for Notre Dame. So maybe we'll see if
Speaker 4: Princeton can reverse course. But here's one thing I want
Speaker 4: to point out, and I know that people, especially at
Speaker 4: the mid major level, one who celebrate regular season titles,
Speaker 4: nobody remembers in college basketball what people do during the
Speaker 4: regular season. You are judged by what you do in
Speaker 4: the NCAA tournament. And this is why what we're going
Speaker 4: to embark on right now over the next three and
Speaker 4: a half four weeks is the greatest postseason that we
Speaker 4: have in sports. We spend days, we spend weeks, We
Speaker 4: spent months talking about the bubble from February first until now.
Speaker 4: We have to remember ross that last year there were
Speaker 4: five different teams that stole bids during their respective conference tournaments. Now,
Speaker 4: what is a bid stealer? A bid stealer is a
Speaker 4: team that was not projected to make the NCAA tournament
Speaker 4: who then wins its conference tournament and then earns a
Speaker 4: bid to March Madness. Last year we had Duquane out
Speaker 4: of the Atlantic Ten. We obviously had UAB out of
Speaker 4: the AAC NC State out of the ACC won the
Speaker 4: ACC tournament five games in five days and then went
Speaker 4: on to go to the Final four under Kevin Keats.
Speaker 4: New Mexico stole a bid out of the Mountain West,
Speaker 4: and then Oregon did the same out of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 4: That was five teams that were not projected to be
Speaker 4: into the NCAA Tournament who then found a way to
Speaker 4: get to March Madness.
Speaker 2: It is awesome talking with John Rothstein. As you can tell,
Speaker 2: he is the best college basketball insidery does it for
Speaker 2: CBS Sports company I work for as well. You know
Speaker 2: you kind of hit on this, John, but I want
Speaker 2: to expound upon it a little bit. What I know,
Speaker 2: it's all the above, but what aspect of it do
Speaker 2: you think makes it so popular? Is it the fact
Speaker 2: that it's brackets, like people just I don't know what
Speaker 2: is about humans we love like my like beer punk tournament,
Speaker 2: bracket like whatever it is, like I love brackets, okay.
Speaker 2: And also the betting. I mean, people bet a lot
Speaker 2: on March mad and then and then it's the underdog.
Speaker 2: It's the whole thing. If you kind of had to
Speaker 2: rank the reasons for March Madness popularity, where would you
Speaker 2: stack him up.
Speaker 4: It's a one game tournament. It is not obviously a
Speaker 4: best of seven series. So the fact that we have
Speaker 4: this game, that obvious league is decided by a sixty
Speaker 4: eighteen bracket with sixty seven games. If you have one
Speaker 4: bad half, if you have one bad game, every single
Speaker 4: thing can change. And then there is still the opportunity for,
Speaker 4: with everything that's going on in college sports, to have
Speaker 4: the most unexpected and unpredictable results. And you know, I
Speaker 4: remember two years ago, you know, I've been fortunate enough
Speaker 4: to work the first four for US in Dayton. I
Speaker 4: had the pleasure of, you know, covering Fairley Dickinson two
Speaker 4: years ago. In twenty twenty three, Fairley Dickinson two years
Speaker 4: ago was not good enough to win the Northeast Conference tournament.
Speaker 4: Merrimack won the Northeast Conference Tournament, but because of transitional
Speaker 4: rule to Division one, Merrimack was not eligible for the
Speaker 4: NCAA Tournament. So Fairly Dickinson lost in the finals of
Speaker 4: its conference tournament, but it got the automatic qualifier because
Speaker 4: Merrimack was ineligible. Fairly Dickinson then goes on to the
Speaker 4: first four, beats Texas Southern in the first four, and
Speaker 4: then gets a matchup up with Duke who had the
Speaker 4: national Player of the Year in Zach Edy and won
Speaker 4: the Big Ten regular season and tournament titles. And still
Speaker 4: Fairleigh Dickinson was able then to pull off the biggest
Speaker 4: upset in the history of the NCAA Tournament by beating Purdue.
Speaker 4: This is the stuff that is in store. And again,
Speaker 4: if you're not in a situation where you're following college
Speaker 4: basketball from November first until now, you're pretty much admitting
Speaker 4: that you hate fun.
Speaker 2: All right, So I want to ask you about Saint
Speaker 2: John's because they've won the Big East for the first
Speaker 2: time in forty years. I know you've talked about him
Speaker 2: a lot. I'm sure. Yeah. So is this obviously Patino's
Speaker 2: their coach. Is this a great coaching job or is
Speaker 2: this John Have we got a point where some Saint
Speaker 2: John's alums made a decision and they bought a really
Speaker 2: good team. I don't follow it right, So you explain
Speaker 2: to me how Saint John's seemingly came out of nowhere
Speaker 2: to get this good.
Speaker 4: Saint John's has been a barren program for twenty five years.
Speaker 4: Saint John's has not won an NCAA tournament game since
Speaker 4: two thousand. How long ago is that Jay Wright was
Speaker 4: the head coach in Halstra. But with all that said,
Speaker 4: Saint John's this year was able to be in a
Speaker 4: situation because it hired a Hall of fame coach, a
Speaker 4: can't miss coach, and Rick Patino, and it put together
Speaker 4: a roster now that is, you know, twenty six and
Speaker 4: four heading into tomorrow's game against Marquette, that's the best
Speaker 4: in the Big East. It's the first regular season title
Speaker 4: outright for Saint John's in the Big East that's been
Speaker 4: won by the Red Storm since the eighty four to
Speaker 4: eighty five season, which was the year that Saint John's
Speaker 4: went to the Final Four with lukarnasecond Chris Malwand.
Speaker 6: Look, one of the things that.
Speaker 4: We've seen right now in this new landscape of college
Speaker 4: sports is the playing field is very level. So a
Speaker 4: program like Saint Johns that has the infrastructure in place
Speaker 4: to put together a strong roster can now compete with
Speaker 4: the Dukes, the Kansases, and the Kentucky's. And then conversely,
Speaker 4: some of the blue blood programs now might be falling
Speaker 4: back to the pack a little bit. Kansas will enter
Speaker 4: it's Big Twelve finale in the regular season tomorrow against Arizona,
Speaker 4: and in the last two years, Kansas is only a
Speaker 4: combined twenty and seventeen in Big twelve regular season games.
Speaker 4: Remember this was a program that from twenty thirteen to
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, under Bill's self want at least to share
Speaker 4: excuse me, from twenty three or so to twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: under Bill self want at least to share of almost
Speaker 4: every Big twelve regular season title. Remember, Ross, it's not anarchy,
Speaker 4: it's just college basketball.
Speaker 2: I love his closing line of every of every answer.
Speaker 2: All right, tell me about Cooper Flag Like for people
Speaker 2: that haven't watched him a lot, he's I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people would probably say he's the name in
Speaker 2: college basketball that they recognize, that they know, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people still haven't really watched him that much.
Speaker 2: Is there any weakness to his game? Is there an
Speaker 2: NBA guy that you compare him to that people can
Speaker 2: kind of get that visual on their head.
Speaker 4: You know, Cooper flags like a cheet code. He's like
Speaker 4: playing Madden when you're a kid and putting it on
Speaker 4: the easiest possible level, because that's how effortless he makes
Speaker 4: the game look. He's been every bit as good as advertised.
Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit of Andre Carolenko in
Speaker 4: his game, but he's got so much polish on the
Speaker 4: offensive side of the floor.
Speaker 5: But Duke, without.
Speaker 4: Question, has the best roster in the sport. I think
Speaker 4: one of the things that we've all been disappointed about,
Speaker 4: and it's not Duke's fault, is this is the worst
Speaker 4: ACC that we have seen in our lifetime. Unless there
Speaker 4: is a big stealer at the ACC tournament, this league
Speaker 4: is likely to get only three of its eighteen teams
Speaker 4: in the NCAA Tournament. That is just one sixth of
Speaker 4: the conference. The ac SEA since twenty seventeen, has lost
Speaker 4: the following coaches, Rick Bettino, Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Tony Bennett,
Speaker 4: Jim Larrenega, Buzz Williams, Mike Bray and Leonard Hamilton will
Speaker 4: lead after this year. So it has been a major,
Speaker 4: major transition for a conference that was the sports most
Speaker 4: favor for a very long time.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is absolutely wild. You got to check John out.
Speaker 2: He does a terrific job throughout the tournament. If you
Speaker 2: want to know what's going on with college basketball, follow
Speaker 2: John Rothstein on every platform. The does a terrific job
Speaker 2: as the college basketball insider for CBS Sports. That was perfect.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, John.
Speaker 4: Thanks Ross were sleeping.
Speaker 2: May I love that dude. You know he should actually,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's great that CBS has him.
Speaker 2: The NTLA should pay that guy. I mean, that guy
Speaker 2: is like a walking salesman for college basketball. That was amazing, Paul.
Speaker 3: One of my first jobs in media when I moved
Speaker 3: to New York City was working with like Jim Nants
Speaker 3: and the guys at CBS Sports as one of the
Speaker 3: blue shirts the research people in the background, and we
Speaker 3: had to work the first four days of the NCA tournament,
Speaker 3: but it was like fifteen hour days. But there's nowhere
Speaker 3: better to be. We get the brackets half an hour
Speaker 3: before everyone got the brackets, so you got to like.
Speaker 5: Chew it up.
Speaker 3: It was just one of the cooler jobs of all
Speaker 3: time to see. Let's throw back to Jim Nansen the
Speaker 3: studio for an update, and there he is.
Speaker 2: Why do we love brackets so much? Like any type
Speaker 2: of brackets, My buddies like any bracket for youth sports or.
Speaker 3: You know, simplifies everything. It makes everything easier to consume.
Speaker 3: The eight is versus the nine, the five is versus
Speaker 3: the twelve. You got their name, their record, their ranking.
Speaker 3: It's just you open it up. Back in the day,
Speaker 3: you used to print it out and put it in
Speaker 3: your pocket, but it's on your phone.
Speaker 2: I just like looking at it. Fritzy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good looking thing. It's very simple. Little
Speaker 7: kids can do it. An elderly person. It's just you're
Speaker 7: just circling teams. Sometimes you're doing it by color or mascot,
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, one of your wild guesses
Speaker 7: is making it into the sweet sixteen or the Elite eight.
Speaker 7: And it's just a fun easy thing to do. It's
Speaker 7: a piece of paper you can walk around with and
Speaker 7: update with little checks and x's based on what happens
Speaker 7: to the cost of the day. It's it's just a fun,
Speaker 7: easy thing to look at and play with.
Speaker 2: By the way, does Fritzi do this to you guys?
Speaker 2: Where he sent me an email? There was no ten
Speaker 2: in the email, but the subject of the email said,
Speaker 2: will you please fill out a bracket again this year
Speaker 2: and be in our tournament? Like, what is that? Fritz?
Speaker 7: I've done that many times, and Paula especially says, you know,
Speaker 7: has told me on many occasions.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it doesn't all.
Speaker 7: Show up on the screen or on the phone. And
Speaker 7: Mike Turico used to call me sl Fritz, single line
Speaker 7: Fritz because I put it in a subject line.
Speaker 2: I guess it was a subject line.
Speaker 5: Fits you.
Speaker 2: There's nothing in the email. It's just all in the
Speaker 2: subject line.
Speaker 3: Paulie, in all seriousness, Todd and I've been working together
Speaker 3: a long time. He puts long email texts into the
Speaker 3: subject line, like you said, and nothing in there, and
Speaker 3: it gets cut off. I've asked him at least two
Speaker 3: hundred times directly h line. Can you put this in
Speaker 3: the body of the email. It's easier for us to
Speaker 3: see and consume it. And I don't think he's hurt.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do it? Frizzi? I don't know.
Speaker 7: I just I'm not to get to bother anybody to
Speaker 7: be a hindrance or difficult. It just sometimes it's just
Speaker 7: easier for me to type a few words. And I
Speaker 7: will realize sometimes go shockingly long winded, and if you
Speaker 7: write too many words on the subject line, then you're
Speaker 7: not gonna be able to see the whole thing. And
Speaker 7: then I'm just it's just easy to type a few words,
Speaker 7: almost like a text message as an email, into that
Speaker 7: one line and send it.
Speaker 2: Sounds like, uh, you should like that. There's things that
Speaker 2: you should get punished for, like you should get a
Speaker 2: pie to the face the next time you do that,
Speaker 2: because you gotta learn, like you gotta you gotta learn
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Speaker 2: I have like thirty minutes left here. Time flies when
Speaker 2: you're having fun. A little bit later on the hour,
Speaker 2: we'll get to this day in sports history, as well
Speaker 2: as what we learned Ross Tucker in for Dan on
Speaker 2: a meet Friday. I just saw the stakes, by the way,
Speaker 2: and yes, I will post pictures to at least Twitter
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Speaker 2: I mean, no, I don't get paid in meat, but
Speaker 2: I would consider it when I come here on Fridays.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love talking with this guy every week on
Speaker 2: the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. I call him this civilian
Speaker 2: goat because I think he is the best film watcher
Speaker 2: and film breakdowner. If that's a word of anybody that
Speaker 2: did not play or coach in the NFL. He's been
Speaker 2: doing He's doing a lot longer than a lot of
Speaker 2: people have been doing. What they've been doing forty five
Speaker 2: plus years. He is the great. Greg Cosel joins me
Speaker 2: typically Thursdays on the Ross Tucker Podcast. But we got
Speaker 2: to talk quarterbacks because there's a bunch of teams that
Speaker 2: need them. Greg, always great to talk with you. We're
Speaker 2: doing it twice this week, not just once. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 2: I guess let's start with the college guys, because there's
Speaker 2: gonna be at least one, maybe more NFL teams that
Speaker 2: find their starting quarterback via the draft. And so, is
Speaker 2: there a guy that was a clear number one when
Speaker 2: you broke down shardor Sanders and war and all these
Speaker 2: guys who kind of jumped out to you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I think just before I give you that person,
Speaker 10: and people who maybe listen to us and to listen
Speaker 10: to me know that I believe it's cam Ward. But
Speaker 10: I think the important point to remember is quarterbacks have
Speaker 10: different traits and different attributes and different characteristics. That doesn't
Speaker 10: mean that they can't play in the league. It just
Speaker 10: means that the variables that come into play the different
Speaker 10: variables that come into play ross. And you know this
Speaker 10: having played in the league. Now you start getting into
Speaker 10: things like team scheme, players around them, coaching. You know,
Speaker 10: there's so many factors involved that just because a quarterback
Speaker 10: might not be high on my list or might not
Speaker 10: be number one, doesn't mean he can't play in the league.
Speaker 10: It's just you have to understand what their traits and
Speaker 10: attributes are and what that means when you project them.
Speaker 10: So I thought when I watched cam Ward, I thought
Speaker 10: that he was the most physically gifted of the quarterbacks
Speaker 10: in this draft, that he had high level traits in
Speaker 10: order to, you know, ideally become a good player in
Speaker 10: the league. He's got a live arm, he's got a
Speaker 10: playmaking dimension to his game. Obviously, he's got some things
Speaker 10: he has to clean up. I actually watched him speak
Speaker 10: at the podium at the combine and he said quite clearly,
Speaker 10: which is true, that there were times he held the
Speaker 10: ball too long and that's some sacks are on him
Speaker 10: and that's something he has to clean up. And I
Speaker 10: think that's another thing that people have to realize, is
Speaker 10: that none of these quarterbacks enter the league as a
Speaker 10: finished product, and there's things that have to be coached
Speaker 10: and developed and that takes time, and those things can
Speaker 10: show up in the NFL, and it doesn't mean that
Speaker 10: they're going to be bad players. So there's so many
Speaker 10: factors involved. But I thought clearly him war to me,
Speaker 10: was a defined number one quarterback prospect in this draft class.
Speaker 2: And so, okay, and we know he's gonna get drafted
Speaker 2: where he's gonna get drafted. But when you look at him, Greg,
Speaker 2: did you think like number one pick, that quarterback?
Speaker 10: I started to feel that way the more I watched him. Yes,
Speaker 10: And again, it may or may not happen. You know,
Speaker 10: when you hear the Tennessee Titans brass talk, you kind
Speaker 10: of get this sense they hold a number one pick
Speaker 10: that they'd like to get more players because their roster
Speaker 10: is kind of depleted.
Speaker 6: So I don't know.
Speaker 10: Again, you never know if teams wants want to trade up.
Speaker 10: We won't know that, you know, probably for a while.
Speaker 10: But I started to feel the more I watched Ward,
Speaker 10: And I just want people to understand that I watched
Speaker 10: him last summer seven eight games at Washington State. I
Speaker 10: think I watched nine games this year at the University
Speaker 10: of Miami, and the more I watched him, you know,
Speaker 10: as I said, there are definitely things that need to
Speaker 10: be cleaned up. There's no question there's a little bit
Speaker 10: of a looseness and lack of discipline at times to
Speaker 10: his game that must be coached hard. But he can
Speaker 10: work the pocket, he can make progression throws, he can
Speaker 10: make outstanding outside of structured throws, which were prevalent throughout
Speaker 10: his tape. So I came to believe that, yes, he
Speaker 10: could be that kind of prospect.
Speaker 2: All right, some of these other guys Greg you know,
Speaker 2: shardor Sanders and Jackson Dart. Just watching the video, which
Speaker 2: is what you do, was there, who would you say
Speaker 2: was the next most impressive guy on video?
Speaker 10: I mean, if you're just going by tape, and again
Speaker 10: I'm not going to sit here and say this is
Speaker 10: where guys are going to get drafted, but I would say,
Speaker 10: just watching tape, I came away really impressed with Tyler
Speaker 10: Shuck out of He played for three teams in his
Speaker 10: college career, but he ended up this year at Louisville.
Speaker 6: It was the first year that he truly.
Speaker 10: Played as a full time starter and played pretty much
Speaker 10: all the games I mean, he was in he came
Speaker 10: out of Arizona. It seems like he came out twenty
Speaker 10: years ago as one of the top rated quarterbacks in
Speaker 10: the country. But again, he's a very intriguing player because
Speaker 10: of his age, which, by the way, most gms don't
Speaker 10: view that as a problem. It's more the injury history.
Speaker 10: But you know, I thought that he did a lot
Speaker 10: of the little things really well. Ball security, always kept
Speaker 10: both hands on the ball when forced to move out
Speaker 10: of the pocket, whether climbing or escaping. Laterally, he has
Speaker 10: a very easy delivery. He worked from a firm base.
Speaker 10: He could sit on his back foot with bodies around
Speaker 10: him and drive the football. Yet he could throw with
Speaker 10: pace and touch. He could layer throws. He had enough
Speaker 10: movement that he's not a playmaker, but he had enough
Speaker 10: movement where he's not a statue. I thought his his
Speaker 10: traits were strong, and I thought his tape was really,
Speaker 10: really good. Now, again, I don't know where he's going
Speaker 10: to get drafted. I'm sure he's going to be polarizing
Speaker 10: in draft rooms. I'm sure there's some people listening right
Speaker 10: now that probably think, oh, he's you know, he's a
Speaker 10: third round player and he's not.
Speaker 6: Gonna make it.
Speaker 10: You know, we don't know the answer to these questions,
Speaker 10: but the tape was very good. And you know what,
Speaker 10: he's six' five and he's two twenty five and as
Speaker 10: you Know ross having played in this.
Speaker 6: League that's a.
Speaker 10: Trait there's a big difference between being six' one and
Speaker 10: sixty five when you're.
Speaker 6: A quarterback talking.
Speaker 2: With The great Greg co CELL From nfl, films here
Speaker 2: you can check him out on social Media at Greg
Speaker 2: CO cell's i think a lot of People listening greg
Speaker 2: On The fox sports radio affiliates are Watching on peacock
Speaker 2: are probably surprised that the second most impressive quarterback to
Speaker 2: you Was Not. Shador sanders so what did you see
Speaker 2: when you've Broke down shador? Sanders tape since there's obviously
Speaker 2: the subject of a lot, of conversation.
Speaker 6: And again his tape.
Speaker 10: Not bad, you know that's the issue you face us
Speaker 10: as you, know this you're you're you talk every, single
Speaker 10: day and you know the way people Respond what i'm
Speaker 10: about to say is not a knock at All In.
Speaker 10: SHADOR sanders i just think you need to understand what
Speaker 10: kind of quarterback. He is and by, the way you can,
Speaker 10: be very very good in. The league he's an easy
Speaker 10: natural thrower to. The football he does not have higher level,
Speaker 10: arm strength and You can that's a discussion that people
Speaker 10: have all the time about the relative merits of arm
Speaker 10: strength IN. The nfl some believe, it's important some believe
Speaker 10: it's it's not one of the most. Important traits that's
Speaker 10: a discussion people have all the time when they. Evaluate quarterbacks,
Speaker 10: you know just as a, quick ASIDE when i hear
Speaker 10: the phrase he can make all, the throws that tells
Speaker 10: me he can't make all. The Throws and i'm Talking,
Speaker 10: About shador i'm talking ABOUT when i hear that about quarterbacks, in.
Speaker 6: General because why are we.
Speaker 10: Saying that, you know so you know a quarterback could
Speaker 10: make all, the throws then why are we, even having,
Speaker 10: you know. Saying that, but anyway getting Back, TO shador
Speaker 10: I think shador is much more of a ball distributor
Speaker 10: and executor of. An offense that's the style of quarterback.
Speaker 10: He is and by, the way you can be a
Speaker 10: really good quarterback IN the nfl playing. THAT way i
Speaker 10: think As with WARD that i mentioned a few things
Speaker 10: that need to be. Cleaned up there's a few things
Speaker 10: with shador that.
Speaker 6: Need to be.
Speaker 10: Cleaned Up, number one he has a tendency to hold
Speaker 10: the ball with one hand when he. Feels pressure you
Speaker 10: know as WELL as. I do that has to be
Speaker 10: cleaned up IN, the nfl and that'll be one of
Speaker 10: the first things that's cleaned up because you cannot give
Speaker 10: the ball away IN. The nfl and second, of all
Speaker 10: he has a tendency to. Retreat backwards you cannot retreat
Speaker 10: backwards IN. The nfl but you're dealing with a guy
Speaker 10: that at his best. Is rhythmic he's. A distributor he's
Speaker 10: an easy thrower for the. Most part his ball placement is.
Speaker 10: Pretty precise there's a lot, to LIKE but i think
Speaker 10: he's a. Ball distributor, YOU know i think in, some ways,
Speaker 10: YOU know i THOUGHT. Of cj stroud when he came
Speaker 10: Out Of. OHIO state I thought stroud was a better
Speaker 10: prospect in a number. Of ways but they're both sort
Speaker 10: of at their core. Pocket quarterbacks and, YOU know I
Speaker 10: think sanders is not at the Level of Stroud when stroud,
Speaker 10: came out but he's that kind.
Speaker 6: Of player stylistically.
Speaker 2: Interesting Talking with GREG cos i want To transition greg
Speaker 2: to the veteran quarterbacks because we've got free agency. Next,
Speaker 2: week yeah and there are GUYS that i think are gonna.
Speaker 2: Find Jobs, Sam Donald, Daniel Jones, Justin Fields. Aaron rodgers
Speaker 2: let's Start with donald because there still seems to be
Speaker 2: some debate as to whether or not he's the guy
Speaker 2: he was in the first sixteen games, last year or
Speaker 2: he's the guy that he was in the last. Two
Speaker 2: games what do you think any team that Would sign
Speaker 2: donald will be getting, With, HIM.
Speaker 10: Well i think the discussion probably revolves around whether he's
Speaker 10: a scheme specific player or whether you can put him
Speaker 10: in any scheme and. Be effective because, don't forget, you
Speaker 10: know the year Prior, to minnesota he was a backup
Speaker 10: quarterback For, the niners and then he Went to Minnesota with,
Speaker 10: kevin O'Connell who pretty much everybody understands is a really
Speaker 10: good pass. Game schemer the schematics of that offense really,
Speaker 10: present clean defined throws for the quarterback at the intermediate and,
Speaker 10: deeper levels and that's a rarity IN the nfl, these
Speaker 10: days with so many short balls. Being Thrown and donald
Speaker 10: was phenomenal. At that here's the statistic that blew, me
Speaker 10: away and he led the league in passes that went
Speaker 10: more than twenty yards in the air ross from the line.
Speaker 10: Of scrimmage think, about that more than twenty yards in
Speaker 10: the air from the line. Of scrimmage donald completed fifty
Speaker 10: seven percent of his passes that led. The league, By
Speaker 10: contrast mahomes completed twenty six percent of. His Passes and
Speaker 10: i'm not Suggesting think donald's a better Quarterback. Than mahomes
Speaker 10: That's not he already. Said it it's on. Social, media,
Speaker 10: yeah yeah there. You go so so, YOU know, i,
Speaker 10: MEAN so i think that that's the Discussion with donald
Speaker 10: as to whether you could, sign him plug him into
Speaker 10: any system and he would, be successful or whether what
Speaker 10: he did a year ago was very.
Speaker 6: Foundationally a product of Working with.
Speaker 10: Kevin O'Connell and that's probably one of those things that
Speaker 10: there's no it's not a. Mathematical equation no one knows
Speaker 10: the answer to, that specifically AND that i don't get into,
Speaker 10: the money but that will probably dictate what teams. Offer
Speaker 10: him if people felt you could put him in any
Speaker 10: system ross and he'd, be great he'd probably be in
Speaker 10: the forty five to fifty. Million range if people feel
Speaker 10: that that's not, the case he'll probably be closer to
Speaker 10: the thirty thirty five, million range and we'll see where
Speaker 10: it goes. From there but we're dealing with a six
Speaker 10: four to two hundred and twenty five pound guy with
Speaker 10: a big arm and AND need i say he can
Speaker 10: make every THROWER ofs.
Speaker 2: I, Love, Sorry greg and of course he's he can move.
Speaker 6: As, well yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Love greg cosel Comes On The Dan patrick show
Speaker 2: and drops a stat of the Day On sam darnald
Speaker 2: throwing it over twenty. Yards, downfield greg What About. Daniel
Speaker 2: jones You know i'm curious. About him is there Any
Speaker 2: Chance daniel jones could be This Year's sam donald or
Speaker 2: two Years AGO's? Baker mayfield that he could be sort
Speaker 2: of the reclamation Project in cleveland or somewhere and play
Speaker 2: at a.
Speaker 10: HIGH level a true enigma, For, me ross because, you
Speaker 10: know up to, this point i'd have to SAY that
Speaker 10: i was wrong.
Speaker 6: ABOUT him i liked him.
Speaker 10: Coming, OUT now i didn't like him THE way i
Speaker 10: thought He'd Beat, josh ALLEN but i liked him coming
Speaker 10: out and as we probably, ALL remember i know, you
Speaker 10: do his, rookie year he was. Very good there was
Speaker 10: a sense coming off his rookie season that he, could be,
Speaker 10: you know A quality nfl. Starting quarterback now we can
Speaker 10: start looking at any number of reasons why it, didn't,
Speaker 10: happen oh lack, of weapons but you have to also
Speaker 10: look at, the player. You know and one of the
Speaker 10: Things About daniel JONES that i thought started to really
Speaker 10: show itself and again now you get, into teams scheme and,
Speaker 10: other factors is even though he is mobile as a straight,
Speaker 10: line runner he's fairly robotic in. The pocket and one
Speaker 10: thing that, he LACKS and i think this is a really,
Speaker 10: important trait one thing that he lacks is. Pocket movement
Speaker 10: and that's a difference between running out of. The pocket
Speaker 10: that's there are two totally. Different traits pocket movement is
Speaker 10: the ability to move within. The pocket think of an
Speaker 10: area that's, you know SMALLER than i let's say the
Speaker 10: size of a, boxing ring but, you know just to
Speaker 10: give you a sense of sort of confined space to
Speaker 10: be able to move in, the pocket within, the pocket to,
Speaker 10: avoid pressure keep your, eyes downfield maintain, your focus not
Speaker 10: lose your focus of the routes and, the coverage and
Speaker 10: still then reset your platform to deliver. THE ball i
Speaker 10: think that that's a, that's right that he needs that
Speaker 10: he hasn't, really SHOWN and i think that's really imperative
Speaker 10: for the style of quarterback that.
Speaker 2: He is check him out on social Media At greg
Speaker 2: cosel so you know wherever, he's at especially when he
Speaker 2: joins Me on thursdays typically On The Ross Tucker. Football
Speaker 2: podcast obviously forty FIVE years. Nfl films, Just, incredible greg
Speaker 2: thank you. So much, As always.
Speaker 6: Rock really appreciate being on with. You today thanks for having.
Speaker 2: ME absolutely i love the sports history stuff and what,
Speaker 2: we learned very very. Fired up now ONLY do i
Speaker 2: love Talking. With greg greg would actually be perfect for sports,
Speaker 2: history THERE but i love going over this date in
Speaker 2: SPORTS and i agree With something seaton said yesterday on.
Speaker 2: The show i'll tell you what that is when we
Speaker 2: come back forty minutes past the hour Here On The Dan.
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Speaker 2: The iHeartRadio i'm not in love with some of the
Speaker 2: new stat of. The days some of the new stat of,
Speaker 2: the days like the, ONE yesterday i couldn't even tell
Speaker 2: that they were saying stat of. THE day i didn't
Speaker 2: even know it was the stat of, the day And
Speaker 2: then seaton. Came in, you guys really you had a
Speaker 2: lot of bad. Comments yesterday you guys don't want TO
Speaker 2: be Dk met you don't want to LOOK Like dk
Speaker 2: metcalf if you weren't.
Speaker 5: Playing sports i'll.
Speaker 2: Cut off both my pinkies to LOOK Like. Dk metcalf
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 3: Kidding me but if you see a guy at a
Speaker 3: jim who's completely shredded.
Speaker 2: In, fact yeah that. Sounds amazing what's.
Speaker 5: The, PROBLEM well i guess you, would, say like is all?
Speaker 5: That work what's? It for just to? Look awesome but
Speaker 5: you're not actually making money?
Speaker 2: Off it right to, look awesome to get girls to
Speaker 2: be in, great shape but you could be like to
Speaker 2: make other men feel bad. About themselves there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Good reasons. GOOD point, i mean it's it is, funny
Speaker 2: though Because like i'll see guys now my age that
Speaker 2: are in like. Ridiculous SHAPE and I guess i always have.
Speaker 2: Two Thoughts now number one is is he? Taking? Testosterone
Speaker 2: like what's? He taking because to really be jacked when
Speaker 2: you get in your forties, and fifties that is hard
Speaker 2: if you're not pharmaceutically enhanced, number one then. Number two,
Speaker 2: it's like does he have? Any fun you KNOW what?
Speaker 2: I MEAN like i look at SOMEONE and i just
Speaker 2: want to. Say it, i'm, like, hey man have you
Speaker 2: ever had? A? Burger like have you ever had? A
Speaker 2: beer it tastes so good when it touches, Your, lips
Speaker 2: paulie it's when it hits your lips it tastes. So.
Speaker 5: Good yeah but that's.
Speaker 3: Another thing if you're forty years old, in shredded you
Speaker 3: must be eating, unbelievably, disciplined right and that cannot be
Speaker 3: fun in perpetuity in like a ten.
Speaker 5: Year stretch.
Speaker 2: Definitely not IT'S like i saw. One time he's a friend,
Speaker 2: of MINE but i Saw Where, dan orlowski Who who i'm,
Speaker 2: friendly with said that food, is fuel, you know and
Speaker 2: he only, looked like you. KNOW who i don't want
Speaker 2: to be friends with or hang out with people that
Speaker 2: say food. IS fuel i want to hang out with
Speaker 2: people that say food.
Speaker 5: IS fun i lo.
Speaker 3: This joy I've seen orlowsky. Eating before he lives not far,
Speaker 3: from me and he'll eat like a, chicken breast unseasoned
Speaker 3: with nothing else, on.
Speaker 5: It maybe like a sweeze. Of, lemon yeah and he's.
Speaker 5: Perfectly happy he.
Speaker 2: Hates, flavor yeah food, is happiness, you know like food's
Speaker 2: one of the great joys, in. LIFE Correct, I like
Speaker 2: i'm amazed that you would just deprive yourself of a joy.
Speaker 2: Like that, that's like that's like, Being like i'm not
Speaker 2: going to watch, sports, because uh, you know it's not
Speaker 2: serious unless, You know i'm sports are silly.
Speaker 3: UNLESS You're dk metcalfe and you're doing it to be
Speaker 3: a star. Wide receiver, you know then you have a
Speaker 3: purpose to eat like that.
Speaker 2: Or, no, no no but do you know You Know dk, metcalf's, Deal,
Speaker 2: right no he like doesn't eat anything all day until
Speaker 2: like eight o'clock, at night and then he eats like
Speaker 2: three bags of skittles or. Something, CRAZY hey i had.
Speaker 2: A roommate i had. A, ROOMMATE okay i won't say.
Speaker 2: HIS name i don't know if you want me to
Speaker 2: SAY that i have. A ROOMMATE when i was IN,
Speaker 2: the nfl he was. Remarkably, SHREDDED okay i ate everything
Speaker 2: the bills told us. TO eat i had all my
Speaker 2: meals at, the facility like the low fat pancakes or
Speaker 2: like whatever they told us. TO eat i ate it to.
Speaker 2: A tea i'd. COME home i would bring home a
Speaker 2: salad or whatever he, would eat like. Hamburger helper he'd
Speaker 2: sit there and eat a whole bag Of dur doritos
Speaker 2: or a whole sleeve. OF oreos i swear his forearms
Speaker 2: would just, get bigger like there would be another vein
Speaker 2: would pop in, his forearms or his ab. Would pop i'd,
Speaker 2: be like how is? That part you would not know
Speaker 2: him because he's a he was a career, special teamer
Speaker 2: but he was so SHREDDED and i was So.
Speaker 11: Frustrated fritzy the, other, thing though other than depriving yourself
Speaker 11: and not being able to enjoy food or being on
Speaker 11: such a tight low calorie die of things you, can't
Speaker 11: eat there's, ALSO people I believe i've seen it at
Speaker 11: the gym over, the years that are so obsessively.
Speaker 2: Working out where are they?
Speaker 7: Enjoying life has it become an obsessive compulsive disorder where
Speaker 7: you're constantly having to work out and run and lift
Speaker 7: like every waking hour that you have a moment or
Speaker 7: you feel really guilty and horrible if you didn't.
Speaker 2: Do THAT so i have a little bit.
Speaker 6: OF that i.
Speaker 2: WORK out i would say one point five times, a
Speaker 2: DAY and i feel LIKE a pos UNTIL and i
Speaker 2: don't mean point. OF sale i feel LIKE a pos
Speaker 2: all DAY until i, work out so which IS why
Speaker 2: i normally work out first thing in. The morning so
Speaker 2: this morning at, THE hotel i did thirty minutes on
Speaker 2: the elliptical interval sprints so minute average a, minute hardcore
Speaker 2: AND then i did thirty minutes on. The treadmill the
Speaker 2: last twenty witch backwards because everything we do is so
Speaker 2: quad dominant and so. Forward Focused the bills taught ME
Speaker 2: when i Was. In buffalo actually after every workout we
Speaker 2: would walk two hundred yards backwards cause you're kind of
Speaker 2: like resetting your body a. Little bit people don't do
Speaker 2: enough things going the other. Direction anyway, all right on
Speaker 2: this date in, sports history. Mark seventh this. Is crazy
Speaker 2: baseball decided that nine innings constitutes an, official game not
Speaker 2: nine runs in eighteen fifty so back then you had,
Speaker 2: to win you had to score. Nine runs and then how.
Speaker 2: About this in nineteen, fifty Four the Lakers and hawks
Speaker 2: experimented by raising the baskets from ten feet to. Twelve
Speaker 2: Feet the lakers won sixty five. Sixty three it was a.
Speaker 2: Great game by, the way how did they score that
Speaker 2: many points on twelve? Foot baskets, it's crazy. ABSOLUTELY nuts,
Speaker 2: I like i make sure we have time for what we, Learned,
Speaker 2: Today fritzy WHAT did? I?
Speaker 7: Learn uh we all learned you have no plans to
Speaker 7: turn To meet friday steaks into cubes to put in
Speaker 7: a cup for the car ride Back. To pennsylvania you're
Speaker 7: gonna pick that steak up and just.
Speaker 2: Gnawn, it well you, KNOW what i don't think the
Speaker 2: filets were. Gonna fit and you guys sliced him and.
Speaker 2: Diced THEM but i didn't want to take a. Metal
Speaker 2: FORK so i have STEAK and i took one of your. Pointer,
Speaker 2: Thingers here i'm gonna. Stab it there you go like? Stab,
Speaker 2: It yeah i'm in a spirit like like a Man like
Speaker 2: lord Of.
Speaker 7: The.
Speaker 4: Fly Yeah greg cosel is the best tape breaker downer in.
Speaker 2: The business. That's right there's no better take breaker Downer Than.
Speaker 2: Greg cosell marv early in your career you worked on
Speaker 2: a Show With john rostein called Out.
Speaker 9: Of.
Speaker 2: BOUNDS nice i, like that, All. Right paulie we all learned,
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Speaker 2: that i only use shampoo. AND conditioner i try to
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