Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: Everyone, thanks for joining us. I am back today with
Speaker 1: the incredible Lena Waite.
Speaker 2: Lena, let's just jump right back in.
Speaker 1: I think I talked about this in the podcast, so
Speaker 1: forgive me everyone listening if I did. But when we
Speaker 1: first shot, I want to say the first episode back from.
Speaker 2: The pilot, Oh, I love that you guys in.
Speaker 1: The cab scene was great, But the scene with the guy,
Speaker 1: so I basically we're we're setting up Charlotte to be
Speaker 1: the one who wants to get married. Right. So I've
Speaker 1: said that you haven't seen a lot of it, but
Speaker 1: it's the beginning, right, And so I have the scene
Speaker 1: where with him where I'm like, you know, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna marry missus up the butt, dude. Do you remember
Speaker 1: this scene?
Speaker 2: It's like, this is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: So I had done it once and I had cried
Speaker 1: and we had to refilm it, which is the only
Speaker 1: time in my career I've had to reshoot a scene
Speaker 1: based on my performance. I remember Darren coming to me
Speaker 1: and saying, you here so upset, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Because I've been acting class forever
Speaker 1: where you had to put the stakes high for everything
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So they thought it was too dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought I was too upset.
Speaker 1: He was like, there's another guy around the corner, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what there is? Because for me as
Speaker 1: a person, me Kristen, I don't really operate that way,
Speaker 1: and I certainly didn't. Then I remember Jaren being.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you don't care that much.
Speaker 1: You don't care that much, and I'm like, oh, I thought.
Speaker 1: You know, my lines are like I want to get
Speaker 1: married and now it's not going to work out because
Speaker 1: he wants to do this thing and I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. He was like, ah, you know, another
Speaker 1: guy around the corner.
Speaker 2: Just be just careless. So I was like, okay, bizarre careless,
Speaker 2: I know. But I didn't really.
Speaker 1: Understand that the show was really going to be like
Speaker 1: a lot of dating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's your character a while to get to the.
Speaker 1: Wedding, and rightly, so you know, rightly, So.
Speaker 3: Here's the deal.
Speaker 2: I think ultimately it does depend on what you want
Speaker 2: or how you want to live. But I think it's
Speaker 2: something that people are afraid to talk about when they're
Speaker 2: dating because a lot of women are taught from birth.
Speaker 3: To want to get married and have kids.
Speaker 2: This is true, and so I think that's why Charlotte
Speaker 2: is such a beautiful representation of a woman wanting to
Speaker 2: be in you know what was it Architectial Digest was
Speaker 2: it or which magazine?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 3: When? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And what I love about you know that it was
Speaker 2: a beautiful episode, you know, when it's the end of
Speaker 2: the marriage really and he comes in to take the
Speaker 2: photo and sort.
Speaker 3: Of this last kindness to you.
Speaker 2: But what I loved about it, even as a young
Speaker 2: person watching that, it was Michael Patrick King or the
Speaker 2: writer saying, these images you see in these magazines are
Speaker 2: just that, they're an image, and and I thought it
Speaker 2: was so special that we the audience know what's happening
Speaker 2: with you, you know, and and and Trey and but
Speaker 2: we know that the public will get that magazine and
Speaker 2: thinkous I want that, not knowing and.
Speaker 1: Say like, oh that had been I want that.
Speaker 2: I want that money. Yeah, yeah, I want what she
Speaker 2: has absolutely because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's the trap of getting and that that
Speaker 1: was Charlotte's trap, which I think was of course great
Speaker 1: on Michael Patrick's that was his Oh my.
Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, so beautifully done, expertly done.
Speaker 1: Right, you're gonna want this thing and you're gonna make
Speaker 1: me get it perfect, and it's gonna look perfect, but
Speaker 1: it's not gonna actually.
Speaker 2: Be it, yeah, which is which is a lesson. He
Speaker 2: sort of all these these bread crimes that you guys
Speaker 2: were leaving us and saying that he may look great,
Speaker 2: and they all seem wonderful, but you know, when you
Speaker 2: really look underneath the rug, what's there. And also it's
Speaker 2: so interesting too, is because obviously Mark Kntone's character is saying, like,
Speaker 2: all right, we'll do it solo. You know we're not
Speaker 2: gonna he's not coming, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: She takes the photo by herself.
Speaker 2: It's great and just the idea of what if you
Speaker 2: did do it by yourself, and so many young girls
Speaker 2: look at that image and go, huh, definitely there's no
Speaker 2: guy in the frame.
Speaker 1: That would have been awesome, that would have been powerful,
Speaker 1: It would have been very powerful.
Speaker 2: But he's saying, you wanted me here, you wanted to
Speaker 2: do this, right, you want this picture, I'm going to
Speaker 2: give it to you.
Speaker 1: Which is nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but all you have is that just the picture exactly.
Speaker 2: But it is.
Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about Michael Patrick for a second.
Speaker 3: Yes, you great, love so much.
Speaker 1: So tell me about you got the DVDs that had
Speaker 1: the commentary.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I was working at Blockbuster, which tells you
Speaker 2: how long ago this was, and I would rent those seasons,
Speaker 2: you know, television, and because that's how you watch things again,
Speaker 2: you have to get DVDs, And so I was really
Speaker 2: and so that's how I kind of got to figure
Speaker 2: out which seasons I really liked, you know, and so
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, like three, I like four. You know,
Speaker 2: those two seasons in particular really spoke to me. And
Speaker 2: so there were certain episodes he would like cover an arc,
Speaker 2: you know. And what was really helpful for me was
Speaker 2: hearing him talk about Carrie's like dissent. Wow, you know,
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, she's got this great guy. Aiden is amazing, wonderful.
Speaker 2: They're great. And then what rears its ugly head that
Speaker 2: past that guy that she couldn't have, that didn't give
Speaker 2: her what she wanted. That is that temptation. And he
Speaker 2: sort of talks about like she does the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: She's always using the smoking cigarettes as a metaphor, like
Speaker 2: she sort of gives up smoking, like Aiden is like,
Speaker 2: that's not healthy. And also what is he saying, I
Speaker 2: want to have a place for us, all the things
Speaker 2: that mister Big didn't give her, And so I think
Speaker 2: it's just him talking about that and running through I'm thinking, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: that's such an interesting character thing or oh, she has
Speaker 2: the thing she wants, but she's sabotaging it for some reason.
Speaker 3: And I can't even think about that.
Speaker 2: As an adult, but I'm thinking about its story wise,
Speaker 2: how smart it was. And also in adding you know
Speaker 2: when she's like she goes to the other side of
Speaker 2: the other apartment that they're trying to Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's at the end. And so Michael Patrick King says,
Speaker 2: we had to make sure people knew that her and
Speaker 2: Aiden were broken up, but we have to figure that
Speaker 2: out because they're laying together, and then he says, so
Speaker 2: we added the voiceover the next day Aiden moves out,
Speaker 2: moved out, but him just giving me that because I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have known that. I was thinking, oh, that's so powerful,
Speaker 2: punching the gut like, oh, he's gone, He's not gonna
Speaker 2: be And Michael Patrick saus we added that in the
Speaker 2: last moment. Right, he's also showing me this is how
Speaker 2: we can use voiceover. It's not a lazy thing at all.
Speaker 2: It's a way for you to understand what's happening and
Speaker 2: the weight of it, you know, to see these two
Speaker 2: people holding each other, and then you hear and the
Speaker 2: next day he moved out and you're like, oh man,
Speaker 2: and that Those are the moments that I think I
Speaker 2: really learned about writing for an audience where you make
Speaker 2: them care so much about this relationship, this marriage, this couple,
Speaker 2: and so to the end of it feels like a
Speaker 2: break up for you. You feel like you're going through it.
Speaker 2: You feel like we're going through your divorce. We feel
Speaker 2: like we're watching you, like struggle to get pregnant. All
Speaker 2: these different things like when you follow behind Miranda, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, even though she didn't turn back,
Speaker 2: she knew she was there. So he's reminding us of Look,
Speaker 2: they are in relationships with each other. And the thing
Speaker 2: is they not having sex our relationships they have, they're
Speaker 2: they're learning how to be in those relationships by how
Speaker 2: they show up for each other.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's really well put, really well put, and I
Speaker 1: love that this episode. You remember in this episode.
Speaker 2: Miranda she makes the call. They don't tell us who
Speaker 2: she's calling. I literally thought that and I should know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's beautiful writing. That's he's hiding, and it's
Speaker 2: like that she's there, and that cut of the image
Speaker 2: of Miranda like sort of saying like I'm sorry, like
Speaker 2: that was my stuff.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I really think he's teaching women how
Speaker 2: to be good friends to each other. These all the
Speaker 2: writers are you know, they're the actors. You are showing us. Hey,
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to say I'm in the wrong. And
Speaker 2: there's iconic fights between Kerry and Miranda, like those incredible relationships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also did not really realize until I'm rewatching,
Speaker 1: like the through line of their relationship from the beginning
Speaker 1: is incredible, insane, and sometimes I will.
Speaker 2: Not just single for you, Miranda totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, so many moments, so.
Speaker 3: Many when they're at the thrift shop.
Speaker 2: She's like the rift shop incredibly. Also, I love y'all's
Speaker 2: argument though, like to like before you give her the ring,
Speaker 2: it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I mean, yeah, I don't mean to
Speaker 1: diminish my own part, but like I always feel jealous
Speaker 1: when we're doing it, just like that if I see
Speaker 1: on the call she that that the two of them
Speaker 1: have walked up, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Why am I not there?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: Why not there? But now I understand more why I'm
Speaker 1: not there. Like they have a thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's indeed big.
Speaker 1: And interesting thing. And they're so different, but they're also
Speaker 1: so similar. Miranda is kind of the only one who
Speaker 1: really tells Carrie the truth, like the truth, and the
Speaker 1: only one that she might listen to. You know.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's interesting, but also it's a showing of like
Speaker 2: if Carrie is all of us. We know, there are
Speaker 2: certain friends you go to for certain things, and there
Speaker 2: are other friends that you don't go to for certain.
Speaker 3: Things, you know. And so it's like she tells Samantha.
Speaker 2: That she cheated, right, that's who she's at the present, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and you know, and she's like, don't you want to
Speaker 2: judge me? And she's like, not my style, you know,
Speaker 2: and gives her the wink, right, you know, and the
Speaker 2: wink comes back in the movie, you know, like in Mexico,
Speaker 2: you know, and so Encyclopedia no, you know. But also,
Speaker 2: but the thing with the money, you know, when she's
Speaker 2: about to literally get kicked out of her house, you know,
Speaker 2: and she's looking at the fact that Charlotte is fine,
Speaker 2: you know, and doing well. And I love that when
Speaker 2: you know, Carrie is like, you got this apartment for free,
Speaker 2: like you have to do work for this, and you're like,
Speaker 2: I earned this, girl, Like, don't blame me. I went
Speaker 2: through a lot to get this to get here, I know.
Speaker 2: And and also but you're saying, like, you know, you
Speaker 2: bring up your parents, they're a little bit talk about
Speaker 2: your dad. My dad never talk about money with friends.
Speaker 2: And that's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's
Speaker 2: a real thing, you know. But then for you to
Speaker 2: give her the ring, it's almost like we are married,
Speaker 2: you know, we are in the marriage, we are exactly
Speaker 2: you know. And so she's like, you know, it's because
Speaker 2: she didn't ruin your wedding that day, no, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, when she was going through what she
Speaker 2: she's going through. And then when you no longer are married,
Speaker 2: you're like, here, take this, so you got somewhere to live.
Speaker 3: And I think that to me is such a beautiful.
Speaker 1: Forceful I mean, there's so much talk to you about
Speaker 1: I barely reach out.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: I know we're going through the whole season, all of them.
Speaker 1: I know. I know one thing I love, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I mean some of it is just like memory,
Speaker 1: you know, I love the memories and this also can
Speaker 1: I say. I don't know if you ever ever met
Speaker 1: the director Alan Culter, did you ever have me? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I want to have him on because he
Speaker 1: is also he Carrie runs into him on the street him,
Speaker 1: he is on the street. I don't know why he's
Speaker 1: he's such a character and he really you know, when
Speaker 1: you have those directors who inject like a new element
Speaker 1: that then changes forever the show. He was one of those.
Speaker 1: Like he came in and he's very I mean, he's intense,
Speaker 1: and almost every time he would threaten to quit just
Speaker 1: because like we are always and still are very over
Speaker 1: ambitious in our in our desires of what we want
Speaker 1: to film in the time and money that we have.
Speaker 1: So it's always a stress, what I'm saying. And we
Speaker 1: used to film all night, you know, many times a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was hard. It was hard, but we loved it, right,
Speaker 1: But I mean for the director trying to he had high,
Speaker 1: high hopes you know what I'm trying to say. He
Speaker 1: set the bar high, and he used to say to us,
Speaker 1: one of the best things you ever said to me,
Speaker 1: at least was walk slow, talk fast, because we have
Speaker 1: so many walking talks.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, but.
Speaker 1: You have to make it seem like you're walking fast,
Speaker 1: but you can't really walk fast because we can't cover
Speaker 1: that much territory with the camera, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: So you had.
Speaker 1: To separate your your vote voice, your vocals from your feet,
Speaker 1: which is hard because usually you walk fast and you
Speaker 1: talk fast together. But you had to separate, like like padding.
Speaker 2: That's crazy because you guys are walking so much.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so. But he had a great His rhythms
Speaker 1: really affected me, and I think all of us, like
Speaker 1: when I.
Speaker 2: Look at that episode, is really pacing is great.
Speaker 1: It's pacing is.
Speaker 2: Great and also so neutrik too, because like, you guys
Speaker 2: are still doing the thing of breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 2: But what was interesting by that episode is that it's
Speaker 2: like people on the street. They were good, they were fantastic.
Speaker 2: They were so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like for me, I because in the first season
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, not again.
Speaker 2: Did you guys try to figure it out totally.
Speaker 1: And Sara Jessica never wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: Oh, never wanted to do not like it? No, well
Speaker 2: it went away by three. Yes, And maybe that's it's
Speaker 2: interesting because that's where it's kind of like, guys, this
Speaker 2: is not a TV show.
Speaker 1: This is strange for the main character.
Speaker 3: For the main character. Yeah, but that's why. That's why
Speaker 3: I like in this episode.
Speaker 2: That it was not the people of the baseball game.
Speaker 3: It was nice.
Speaker 2: It was great, and they were.
Speaker 1: Funny and interesting and I liked it a lot too.
Speaker 1: And I loved that whole baseball thing. I remember going there.
Speaker 2: It was freezing. It was February.
Speaker 1: We went to where they used to play the US
Speaker 1: Open and like Flushing because it was empty, you know,
Speaker 1: we needed an empty stadium. And I got lost, which
Speaker 1: is really common. It was back before we had security,
Speaker 1: so you could just be wandering around, you know, so
Speaker 1: you got lost on aud Yeah, like trying to find
Speaker 1: the way in or whatever. It was like a big
Speaker 1: empty stadium and there was no PA with me or.
Speaker 2: This is there's no.
Speaker 1: They just lost track of me. I was I was
Speaker 1: missing and I was just walking and walking. I think
Speaker 1: I had my cell phone and the big big old
Speaker 1: cell phones, and I think I called Cynthia.
Speaker 2: Like where are you guys?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: And then we were up in those stands for like
Speaker 1: a long time and it was cold. Go back in February.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't come on till June's. We had to pretend like.
Speaker 2: It was this when I'm dealing with the shot, like
Speaker 2: we're like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna make it real.
Speaker 3: We're gonna make the weather real.
Speaker 2: You tho, I'm kind of like, oh, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be outside of everybody that like Lena.
Speaker 3: Is deal with it.
Speaker 1: I mean that's hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna play it for winter though, because we're
Speaker 2: not trying to be toolls. But that's us.
Speaker 3: It didn't look cold, you guys tricked me.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I mean she had the first on that.
Speaker 1: Yes she has she has that vintage for she of
Speaker 1: course she has everything in her story.
Speaker 3: Oh, she got all of it. That cold is.
Speaker 1: I know that coat is good. I know that code
Speaker 1: is good. They had to retire it because people got
Speaker 1: upset with us about it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I get it too, obviously, but it's still iconic.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, I have to look at the notes
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's something really important that we're not covering. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have that man who wants to adjust himself.
Speaker 3: Which is so interesting as a woman who doesn't date men.
Speaker 2: It's that thing of going like, I'm glad these are
Speaker 2: things that one doesn't have to deal.
Speaker 1: With totally totally. I also think it's funny because like
Speaker 1: Charlotte is so into manners, right, of course it would
Speaker 1: really bug her, but also it's funny that it also
Speaker 1: bugs Samantha. It seems to bug everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, it's interesting, It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: Also Smith this dealing with her own issue with the
Speaker 3: guy with the smile.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it feels so bad for her in
Speaker 1: this one. And I had forgotten actor, so really bad
Speaker 1: for that actor. And he's so so sweet.
Speaker 3: Y'all do the guy so dirty?
Speaker 1: I mean, let me tell you.
Speaker 3: I mean, once y'all get the husbands, you know you
Speaker 3: got you, guys.
Speaker 1: Still feel like they feel sometimes lesser, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, Harry, I mean, look, he was Harry literally and
Speaker 2: you know, given beauty in the Beasts. It's true, but
Speaker 2: he was great and he's still is.
Speaker 1: I know, he's still around. I know I love it too.
Speaker 1: I mean I do remember a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: in the beginning would just be like thrown off, like
Speaker 1: I have to be like the girlfriend.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, like that's guys get so mad about
Speaker 2: the show because it's like you know, I mean you
Speaker 2: guys even made it into a jay Z song.
Speaker 3: He was like, you know, I have to wait till
Speaker 3: sex and the city is over.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I mean hello because the women are like, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: it's a patriarchy versus a patriarchy in the show, I know,
Speaker 2: and thank god, but that's why, like think about how
Speaker 2: long it's stuck with us, yeah, you know, but then
Speaker 2: you think about it, sometimes women get a little frustrated
Speaker 2: with and just like that because what it's showing is
Speaker 2: sort of this is what it is to age, you know,
Speaker 2: this is what it is to you know, have children
Speaker 2: that are not babies so or have a husband that
Speaker 2: has now died, or to explore your sexuality after fifty
Speaker 2: you know, then it's sort of like, oh, I'm being
Speaker 2: confronted with.
Speaker 1: Like what I know, we're still doing it.
Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm just married over here with kids.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be thinking about you know what
Speaker 2: could also be happening, right, And what I think you
Speaker 2: guys are saying is that life isn't done. That is
Speaker 2: exactly what we're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: The thing that's funny to me is that, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to be objective when you're making something right.
Speaker 1: And luckily Michael Patrick's in charge, I don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about.
Speaker 2: The big issues.
Speaker 1: But we did all discussed at length about coming back
Speaker 1: and why we would want to come back and what
Speaker 1: we wanted to do, and what we wanted to do
Speaker 1: was say life is not over. Oh yeah, it never ends.
Speaker 1: It's like fascinating and unexpected things happen all the time
Speaker 1: as you continue, and why shouldn't those stories be told?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, it's like it's you guys really are
Speaker 2: a fairy tale for people. So it's almost like somebody saying,
Speaker 2: let's go see how Cinderella's doing. It's like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to know how Cinderella's doing. I don't want to
Speaker 2: know what Cinderella's doing. I want to just think she's
Speaker 2: happy and living her life in the castle.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that part.
Speaker 2: No, y'all are it's fairy tale if you think about
Speaker 2: because how long people have lived with the reruns obviously,
Speaker 2: and obviously think it's to watch it on Netflix. But
Speaker 2: for me, it's about evolution, and I think sometimes for
Speaker 2: people that is scary, to evolve, to grow, to not.
Speaker 3: Stay the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for a lot of people it's like, well, no,
Speaker 2: I want to live with them, right, And it's saying that.
Speaker 1: They wanted to stay there, they want to keep that
Speaker 1: kind of glorious bubble.
Speaker 2: True, but it's like, yeah, but I like somewhere over
Speaker 2: the rainbow, but also like, come on, get happy totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm thrilled to be doing and just
Speaker 1: like that because I do feel like maybe maybe someday
Speaker 1: more people will embrace it, or maybe they won't.
Speaker 2: And it's fine, no, I think to me whenever, I
Speaker 2: think sometimes if audiences are frustrated by something, it means
Speaker 2: you're drawing blood, as Baldwin would say, and so, but
Speaker 2: also I think it becomes a part of the art.
Speaker 2: So that way, twenty years from now we look back,
Speaker 2: people say, well, what were people saying at the time,
Speaker 2: And that is also a time absolute is an audience's
Speaker 2: reaction to something, because in twenty years somebody will watch
Speaker 2: this and go, oh, how forward thinking or how amazing.
Speaker 2: We can say yes, but at the time, some people
Speaker 2: got frustrated with a non binary character, with the fact
Speaker 2: that Miranda's now queer, or the fact that Big is
Speaker 2: passed away.
Speaker 3: We're going to go and look back, like why are
Speaker 3: they upset about that?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And I think that's why
Speaker 2: whatever people are doing or talking about, it's more of
Speaker 2: an education for us, because that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Someone's upset.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, oh, y'all just don't want to come into
Speaker 2: this new space, And what it's saying is, oh, y'all
Speaker 2: want to stay in this little box in the same period.
Speaker 2: And it means like, oh, so that's not evolution, that's
Speaker 2: not growing up. That's one to stay in the past,
Speaker 2: and the past cannot if you live in You know,
Speaker 2: everybody that lives in the past, they's always talk about
Speaker 2: what they've done and where they've been, and it's like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing now? Yeah, where are you at now?
Speaker 2: And so I think that's why it's just like that
Speaker 2: is so special because now we get to see, oh,
Speaker 2: this is after the happy ending, this is after the
Speaker 2: creditive roles where are you now?
Speaker 3: And that sometimes can be scary for people.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I mean it's scary for us
Speaker 1: sometimes too, just to do it, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, look, there was a beautiful television movie
Speaker 2: called Mary and Rhoda. You know that they you know,
Speaker 2: decided to try to come back. It'll be a TV
Speaker 2: specially everything about matureing a TV show. But I think
Speaker 2: this is no different than that. It's sort of those actresses,
Speaker 2: you know, saying these characters still resonate with people, and
Speaker 2: we want to see what they look like.
Speaker 3: And I remember they were dealing.
Speaker 2: With like in the workforce and working with younger people
Speaker 2: and all these different things. I don't like, if you
Speaker 2: go back and look at it's like it's a little
Speaker 2: bit of it, just like that. It's like I remember
Speaker 2: people really I was really excited about them coming back
Speaker 2: and doing that. But it was saying, like, these characters
Speaker 2: are still relevant even though they are not in their
Speaker 2: thirties or forties or one.
Speaker 1: And the thing is too, like the thing that I
Speaker 1: have to remember and that you know so well obviously,
Speaker 1: is you don't really need the invitation to do it.
Speaker 2: You just need to do it, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to remember sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and just push through.
Speaker 2: And what's also interesting is like, look, you guys like
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones, Like people don't show up, they're gonna buy tickets,
Speaker 2: they're gonna come.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I'm just so you guys
Speaker 2: are like a rock band that people still want to
Speaker 2: come and hear the concert differences.
Speaker 3: You guys are playing new songs now, and so it's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, we do, we do?
Speaker 1: We do? And I think that's the that's the part
Speaker 1: where I mean it's exciting that it's scary. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what you want. You don't coasting, We're definitely no.
Speaker 2: I watched that first episode. I was like, what is happening.
Speaker 2: I'm so like Susan Sales Hill. Got to give her
Speaker 2: a shout, Susan phials Hill.
Speaker 1: Susan was like.
Speaker 2: Show running a different world back in the day. She
Speaker 2: show ran my show twenties. And I'm so happy she's
Speaker 2: over there, and I know she's she's iconic and I'm
Speaker 2: sure she's bringing so much and she does. She's just amazing.
Speaker 2: She's so shocking, and she's in New York. Her lady,
Speaker 2: I mean, she's the perfect person in that room.
Speaker 1: I mean she's lived that life as well as knowing
Speaker 1: how to run television.
Speaker 2: Oh she's saying, yeah, yeah, she's so happy over there.
Speaker 1: I mean, we love her so much, so much.
Speaker 2: So I'm so excited. She won't tell me anything. I'm like,
Speaker 2: come on, what's up?
Speaker 3: What's up? She's like, now you got to watch this crazy.
Speaker 2: It is some craziness.
Speaker 3: It is exciting.
Speaker 1: Still, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I forget everybody is gonna be there and show up
Speaker 2: me talking.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. There's so much, it's so much
Speaker 3: place to go. Now.
Speaker 2: Before it was like water cooler talk at work, and
Speaker 2: now it's like everybody's like, oh you see.
Speaker 1: Which is a little scary. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Don't be detached. You know, here's the deal. When you
Speaker 2: put work into the world, it no longer belongs to you.
Speaker 2: And what people respond to it or how they react
Speaker 2: to it is an education about where we are as
Speaker 2: a society.
Speaker 3: None of this is personal.
Speaker 2: So someone was like, talk about something frustrated a boyut something,
Speaker 2: run toward it, have that conversation.
Speaker 3: Why does that bug you? What about that makes you uncomfortable?
Speaker 3: Why don't you like this character?
Speaker 2: I think it's more about asking people like say Hey,
Speaker 2: why an opinion is fair because everybody's right. If somebody
Speaker 2: says I love this season, I hate this season. If
Speaker 2: y'all are right, what I always going to say is like,
Speaker 2: give me a why why is it not working for you?
Speaker 3: Why do you love it? Why is it? You know?
Speaker 2: Because I remember watching that first season, I was just
Speaker 2: sort of like, oh, whoa, I'm really affected emotionally, you know,
Speaker 2: by what's happening in their lives right now. And it
Speaker 2: was it was challenging me. It was confronting me in
Speaker 2: a way. But that's what your characters have always done.
Speaker 2: So this isn't new. It just looks a little different, different,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 3: A continuation of what the show has always been about.
Speaker 1: Definitely how we feel. But it is interesting because the
Speaker 1: world is changing so rapidly, kind of in a back
Speaker 1: and forth almost kind of way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you gotta be careful because don't want to
Speaker 2: get like can we say that? Like I love your character.
Speaker 2: It's always like, you know, is this loically correct? It's
Speaker 2: gonna say this and that you got to have that
Speaker 2: voice there, but you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: people going to say what they're going to say anyway,
Speaker 2: So you just want to just make something interesting.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Yeah, Lena, Yes, are you a Charlotte Charlotte?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty I think if Charlotte is old fashioned, traditional, yep,
Speaker 2: and very picky when it comes to who she's going
Speaker 2: to date because she is thinking about the future always.
Speaker 2: So I actually have found that I am a little
Speaker 2: bit like because I'm also a romantic. She she does
Speaker 2: as I am. I as optimistic as I don't think so,
Speaker 2: I think, but I'm not a pessimist because, as Baldwin says,
Speaker 2: I can't be a pessimist because I'm alive.
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 3: But I always thought of myself as.
Speaker 2: A little bit more like Miranda, because she's such a
Speaker 2: realist and she's so grounded and she's so discerned clear.
Speaker 2: But I think the reason I've always loved Charlotte, and
Speaker 2: I think what so many people do, is because she
Speaker 2: is almost a fairy tale and a human. She believes
Speaker 2: in it and she's willing to do whatever she.
Speaker 3: Has to to have it.
Speaker 2: And so I think she's very tenacious, Yes she is,
Speaker 2: and she's also just really loving and sweet and wants
Speaker 2: to do the right thing. Yes, very loyal very I am.
Speaker 3: I'm a very loyal.
Speaker 2: Person, and so I think I relate a lot to Charlotte,
Speaker 2: especially now as I watched the show changes it does
Speaker 2: for all of you know, it depends on where you
Speaker 2: are on your life. But I think with Charlotte, she's
Speaker 2: such a She's someone you can count on and she's
Speaker 2: someone that you know, if you go to her, you're
Speaker 2: going to get love.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: So I hope I get to be a Charlotte, get
Speaker 2: to play it.
Speaker 1: But you're very Charlotte. You're very sure. I know people
Speaker 1: necessarily know that, but I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1: You're super supportive. Yes, you're a big support system for
Speaker 1: a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I'm if I'm if I'm like stressing, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave, you know, voicemail.
Speaker 3: Please, yes, text me on social media.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was like panics. I was like,
Speaker 1: come to my house.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Don't worry. Yeah. The thing about
Speaker 2: that show is the casting is obviously divine and amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you guys are giving beatles for television.
Speaker 2: But each element is important and I think you know, whoever,
Speaker 2: when you walked in and they said, Okay, Charlotte, not
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: Not so much.
Speaker 1: They were like, yes, Charlotte, but we don't know how
Speaker 1: important Charlotte's voice is until we got going and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yes, we actually need that voice.
Speaker 2: But you're so good and you bring such and also
Speaker 2: like getting to know you, that energy that you have
Speaker 2: you bring to her and it's just such a needed
Speaker 2: note and that on that on those songs.
Speaker 3: So it's so lovely to see you.
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't even talk about your going to
Speaker 1: clash with Michael Patrick.
Speaker 2: Well please, he had, you know, he he he schooled me.
Speaker 2: He you know, he definitely showed me the roapes before
Speaker 2: I even met him.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 2: And then when I got to meet him, you know,
Speaker 2: he really kind of let me know how it is
Speaker 2: and is not afraid to, you know, keep me in
Speaker 2: line a little bit. But no, I love him. You
Speaker 2: know he did.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like he can pull rank whenever he wants.
Speaker 2: You know, It's true.
Speaker 3: I respect our respect. That's important.
Speaker 1: I think it is important to respect. But I also
Speaker 1: feel like the thing that I love is when you
Speaker 1: find out about how people learn to become a creator
Speaker 1: and a showrunner. It is not easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a thing called the show Runner Trainee Program
Speaker 2: that that the WGA does to be a part of
Speaker 2: which he's always is the last sort of like sort
Speaker 2: of class speech, and he gave a memorable one and
Speaker 2: something I always remember, and he like he thought he
Speaker 2: said the thing about the circus, Like he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're the MC, You're the one, and there's all these
Speaker 2: things going on and you have to and not too
Speaker 2: many people can do that. It's to and I don't
Speaker 2: do that. By the way, I have short runners and
Speaker 2: I'm the creator. Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 1: Then you have to manage all of them, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: to hire those people and make sure they're on track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3: Look, because I just learned.
Speaker 2: I saw the same names keep popping up on the
Speaker 2: you know Jenny bit, like you know, guys names and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. The writers and I always paid attention to, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of seeing who would come up and whose episodes
Speaker 2: are like yeah, and one of your writers, I think
Speaker 2: it was Cindy Ye who saw me after a screening
Speaker 2: of a show and at that point she had seen
Speaker 2: the things give an episode because the season was out
Speaker 2: and she's like, you're gonna win en me for that
Speaker 2: episode like long before you And she was like, I
Speaker 2: know these things, you're gonna win me.
Speaker 3: And I was like okay, and uh yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure she were sure, but I remember that I called
Speaker 2: it y she did, She's coming on soon.
Speaker 1: We got to get her. We're trying to keep them
Speaker 1: in order. When they joined, Jenny already came on.
Speaker 2: Because she was I heard her. Yeah, yeah, when does
Speaker 2: Cindy come in now?
Speaker 1: Like too? Yes, season took a couple of next, couple
Speaker 1: of yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember the names. I would see the names,
Speaker 2: and so I see so many women, you know.
Speaker 3: I just was always like, oh, they are.
Speaker 2: In there going I know, And I don't think people
Speaker 2: really realize that. I tried to shout it out as
Speaker 2: much as I can, but there were so many women
Speaker 2: in that room, like please get out of here. Of course,
Speaker 2: of course, of course, Illo Susan Bell's Hill, Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And are you know Lisa and Julie who we had
Speaker 1: when they were like twenty seven they started with us
Speaker 1: and now they're you know, co executive producers and we
Speaker 1: love them so much and they're so great and it's
Speaker 1: so amazing. Haven't that youth that you still to develop
Speaker 1: with people? Yes, yeah, it's really special to get to
Speaker 1: do that business.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. I'm excited. I'm excited about this season.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm excited and scared. I was watching that first
Speaker 1: one and we're for some reason, they're doing like this
Speaker 1: event party they showed you, y'all.
Speaker 2: My cast has to wait to see it like we all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we would riot. Oh y'all can pabu right? Like they
Speaker 2: don't they like we want to cast. No, they gotta
Speaker 2: waita watch it with the audience. That hurts.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's not my choice.
Speaker 2: No, I get it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, baby, thank you wonderful.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to come back. I will come on
Speaker 2: and school us.
Speaker 1: Yes, whatever history, man, I knew you would bring them,
Speaker 1: bring it in the fast.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I love the facts.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: I should have talked about more details, but your stuff
Speaker 1: was much more.
Speaker 2: No, you killed it.