1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 2: Hi? 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Everyone, thanks for joining us. I am back today with 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: the incredible Lena Waite. 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: Lena, let's just jump right back in. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: I think I talked about this in the podcast, so 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: forgive me everyone listening if I did. But when we 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: first shot, I want to say the first episode back from. 10 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: The pilot, Oh, I love that you guys in. 11 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: The cab scene was great, But the scene with the guy, 12 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: so I basically we're we're setting up Charlotte to be 13 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: the one who wants to get married. Right. So I've 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: said that you haven't seen a lot of it, but 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: it's the beginning, right, And so I have the scene 16 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: where with him where I'm like, you know, no one's 17 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: gonna marry missus up the butt, dude. Do you remember 18 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: this scene? 19 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: It's like, this is embarrassing. 20 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: So I had done it once and I had cried 21 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: and we had to refilm it, which is the only 22 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: time in my career I've had to reshoot a scene 23 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: based on my performance. I remember Darren coming to me 24 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: and saying, you here so upset, and I'm like, what 25 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: what do you mean? Because I've been acting class forever 26 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: where you had to put the stakes high for everything 27 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 28 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: So they thought it was too dramatic. 29 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought I was too upset. 30 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: He was like, there's another guy around the corner, and 31 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: I was like, what there is? Because for me as 32 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a person, me Kristen, I don't really operate that way, 33 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: and I certainly didn't. Then I remember Jaren being. 34 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you don't care that much. 35 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: You don't care that much, and I'm like, oh, I thought. 36 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, my lines are like I want to get 37 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: married and now it's not going to work out because 38 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: he wants to do this thing and I don't want 39 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: to do it. He was like, ah, you know, another 40 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: guy around the corner. 41 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: Just be just careless. So I was like, okay, bizarre careless, 42 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: I know. But I didn't really. 43 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Understand that the show was really going to be like 44 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot of dating. 45 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's your character a while to get to the. 46 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Wedding, and rightly, so you know, rightly, So. 47 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: Here's the deal. 48 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: I think ultimately it does depend on what you want 49 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: or how you want to live. But I think it's 50 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: something that people are afraid to talk about when they're 51 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: dating because a lot of women are taught from birth. 52 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: To want to get married and have kids. 53 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: This is true, and so I think that's why Charlotte 54 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: is such a beautiful representation of a woman wanting to 55 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: be in you know what was it Architectial Digest was 56 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: it or which magazine? 57 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: That? 58 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: When? Yeah? 59 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: And what I love about you know that it was 60 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: a beautiful episode, you know, when it's the end of 61 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: the marriage really and he comes in to take the 62 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: photo and sort. 63 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: Of this last kindness to you. 64 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 2: But what I loved about it, even as a young 65 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: person watching that, it was Michael Patrick King or the 66 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: writer saying, these images you see in these magazines are 67 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: just that, they're an image, and and I thought it 68 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: was so special that we the audience know what's happening 69 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: with you, you know, and and and Trey and but 70 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: we know that the public will get that magazine and 71 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: thinkous I want that, not knowing and. 72 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: Say like, oh that had been I want that. 73 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: I want that money. Yeah, yeah, I want what she 74 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: has absolutely because. 75 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's the trap of getting and that that 76 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: was Charlotte's trap, which I think was of course great 77 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: on Michael Patrick's that was his Oh my. 78 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, so beautifully done, expertly done. 79 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: Right, you're gonna want this thing and you're gonna make 80 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: me get it perfect, and it's gonna look perfect, but 81 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: it's not gonna actually. 82 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: Be it, yeah, which is which is a lesson. He 83 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: sort of all these these bread crimes that you guys 84 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: were leaving us and saying that he may look great, 85 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: and they all seem wonderful, but you know, when you 86 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: really look underneath the rug, what's there. And also it's 87 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: so interesting too, is because obviously Mark Kntone's character is saying, like, 88 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: all right, we'll do it solo. You know we're not 89 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: gonna he's not coming, don't worry about it. 90 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: She takes the photo by herself. 91 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: It's great and just the idea of what if you 92 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: did do it by yourself, and so many young girls 93 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: look at that image and go, huh, definitely there's no 94 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: guy in the frame. 95 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: That would have been awesome, that would have been powerful, 96 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: It would have been very powerful. 97 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: But he's saying, you wanted me here, you wanted to 98 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: do this, right, you want this picture, I'm going to 99 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: give it to you. 100 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Which is nice. 101 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, but all you have is that just the picture exactly. 102 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: But it is. 103 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about Michael Patrick for a second. 104 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: Yes, you great, love so much. 105 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: So tell me about you got the DVDs that had 106 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: the commentary. 107 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: Yes, well, I was working at Blockbuster, which tells you 108 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: how long ago this was, and I would rent those seasons, 109 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: you know, television, and because that's how you watch things again, 110 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: you have to get DVDs, And so I was really 111 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: and so that's how I kind of got to figure 112 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: out which seasons I really liked, you know, and so 113 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, like three, I like four. You know, 114 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: those two seasons in particular really spoke to me. And 115 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: so there were certain episodes he would like cover an arc, 116 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: you know. And what was really helpful for me was 117 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: hearing him talk about Carrie's like dissent. Wow, you know, 118 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, she's got this great guy. Aiden is amazing, wonderful. 119 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: They're great. And then what rears its ugly head that 120 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: past that guy that she couldn't have, that didn't give 121 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: her what she wanted. That is that temptation. And he 122 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: sort of talks about like she does the wrong thing. 123 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: She's always using the smoking cigarettes as a metaphor, like 124 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: she sort of gives up smoking, like Aiden is like, 125 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: that's not healthy. And also what is he saying, I 126 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: want to have a place for us, all the things 127 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: that mister Big didn't give her, And so I think 128 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: it's just him talking about that and running through I'm thinking, oh, wow, 129 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: that's such an interesting character thing or oh, she has 130 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: the thing she wants, but she's sabotaging it for some reason. 131 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: And I can't even think about that. 132 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: As an adult, but I'm thinking about its story wise, 133 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: how smart it was. And also in adding you know 134 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: when she's like she goes to the other side of 135 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: the other apartment that they're trying to Yeah, yeah, but 136 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: it's at the end. And so Michael Patrick King says, 137 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: we had to make sure people knew that her and 138 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: Aiden were broken up, but we have to figure that 139 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: out because they're laying together, and then he says, so 140 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: we added the voiceover the next day Aiden moves out, 141 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: moved out, but him just giving me that because I 142 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't have known that. I was thinking, oh, that's so powerful, 143 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: punching the gut like, oh, he's gone, He's not gonna 144 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: be And Michael Patrick saus we added that in the 145 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: last moment. Right, he's also showing me this is how 146 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: we can use voiceover. It's not a lazy thing at all. 147 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: It's a way for you to understand what's happening and 148 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: the weight of it, you know, to see these two 149 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: people holding each other, and then you hear and the 150 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: next day he moved out and you're like, oh man, 151 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: and that Those are the moments that I think I 152 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: really learned about writing for an audience where you make 153 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: them care so much about this relationship, this marriage, this couple, 154 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: and so to the end of it feels like a 155 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: break up for you. You feel like you're going through it. 156 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: You feel like we're going through your divorce. We feel 157 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: like we're watching you, like struggle to get pregnant. All 158 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: these different things like when you follow behind Miranda, you 159 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, even though she didn't turn back, 160 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: she knew she was there. So he's reminding us of Look, 161 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: they are in relationships with each other. And the thing 162 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: is they not having sex our relationships they have, they're 163 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: they're learning how to be in those relationships by how 164 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: they show up for each other. 165 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's really well put, really well put, and I 166 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: love that this episode. You remember in this episode. 167 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: Miranda she makes the call. They don't tell us who 168 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: she's calling. I literally thought that and I should know. 169 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's beautiful writing. That's he's hiding, and it's 170 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: like that she's there, and that cut of the image 171 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: of Miranda like sort of saying like I'm sorry, like 172 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: that was my stuff. 173 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: I shouldn't have done it. 174 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: And that's why I really think he's teaching women how 175 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: to be good friends to each other. These all the 176 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: writers are you know, they're the actors. You are showing us. Hey, 177 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: sometimes you got to say I'm in the wrong. And 178 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: there's iconic fights between Kerry and Miranda, like those incredible relationships. 179 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I also did not really realize until I'm rewatching, 180 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: like the through line of their relationship from the beginning 181 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: is incredible, insane, and sometimes I will. 182 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: Not just single for you, Miranda totally. 183 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean, so many moments, so. 184 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: Many when they're at the thrift shop. 185 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,559 Speaker 2: She's like the rift shop incredibly. Also, I love y'all's 186 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: argument though, like to like before you give her the ring, 187 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: it's so beautiful. 188 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I mean, yeah, I don't mean to 189 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: diminish my own part, but like I always feel jealous 190 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: when we're doing it, just like that if I see 191 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: on the call she that that the two of them 192 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: have walked up, and I'm like. 193 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: Why am I not there? 194 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: Why? 195 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: Why not there? But now I understand more why I'm 196 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: not there. Like they have a thing. 197 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: It's it's it's indeed big. 198 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: And interesting thing. And they're so different, but they're also 199 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: so similar. Miranda is kind of the only one who 200 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: really tells Carrie the truth, like the truth, and the 201 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: only one that she might listen to. You know. 202 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it's interesting, but also it's a showing of like 203 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: if Carrie is all of us. We know, there are 204 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: certain friends you go to for certain things, and there 205 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: are other friends that you don't go to for certain. 206 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: Things, you know. And so it's like she tells Samantha. 207 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: That she cheated, right, that's who she's at the present, Yes, absolutely, 208 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 2: and you know, and she's like, don't you want to 209 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: judge me? And she's like, not my style, you know, 210 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: and gives her the wink, right, you know, and the 211 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: wink comes back in the movie, you know, like in Mexico, 212 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: you know, and so Encyclopedia no, you know. But also, 213 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: but the thing with the money, you know, when she's 214 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: about to literally get kicked out of her house, you know, 215 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: and she's looking at the fact that Charlotte is fine, 216 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: you know, and doing well. And I love that when 217 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: you know, Carrie is like, you got this apartment for free, 218 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: like you have to do work for this, and you're like, 219 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: I earned this, girl, Like, don't blame me. I went 220 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: through a lot to get this to get here, I know. 221 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: And and also but you're saying, like, you know, you 222 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: bring up your parents, they're a little bit talk about 223 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: your dad. My dad never talk about money with friends. 224 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: And that's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's 225 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: a real thing, you know. But then for you to 226 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: give her the ring, it's almost like we are married, 227 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, we are in the marriage, we are exactly 228 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: you know. And so she's like, you know, it's because 229 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: she didn't ruin your wedding that day, no, you know 230 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: what I mean, when she was going through what she 231 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: she's going through. And then when you no longer are married, 232 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: you're like, here, take this, so you got somewhere to live. 233 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: And I think that to me is such a beautiful. 234 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: Forceful I mean, there's so much talk to you about 235 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: I barely reach out. 236 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: It's okay. 237 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: I know we're going through the whole season, all of them. 238 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: I know. I know one thing I love, I mean, 239 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: and I mean some of it is just like memory, 240 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, I love the memories and this also can 241 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: I say. I don't know if you ever ever met 242 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: the director Alan Culter, did you ever have me? Oh 243 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: my god, I want to have him on because he 244 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: is also he Carrie runs into him on the street him, 245 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: he is on the street. I don't know why he's 246 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: he's such a character and he really you know, when 247 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: you have those directors who inject like a new element 248 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: that then changes forever the show. He was one of those. 249 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Like he came in and he's very I mean, he's intense, 250 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: and almost every time he would threaten to quit just 251 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: because like we are always and still are very over 252 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: ambitious in our in our desires of what we want 253 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: to film in the time and money that we have. 254 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: So it's always a stress, what I'm saying. And we 255 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: used to film all night, you know, many times a week. Yeah, 256 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: it was hard. It was hard, but we loved it, right, 257 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: But I mean for the director trying to he had high, 258 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: high hopes you know what I'm trying to say. He 259 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: set the bar high, and he used to say to us, 260 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: one of the best things you ever said to me, 261 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: at least was walk slow, talk fast, because we have 262 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: so many walking talks. 263 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, but. 264 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: You have to make it seem like you're walking fast, 265 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: but you can't really walk fast because we can't cover 266 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: that much territory with the camera, do you know what 267 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean? 268 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: So you had. 269 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: To separate your your vote voice, your vocals from your feet, 270 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: which is hard because usually you walk fast and you 271 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: talk fast together. But you had to separate, like like padding. 272 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: That's crazy because you guys are walking so much. 273 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so. But he had a great His rhythms 274 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: really affected me, and I think all of us, like 275 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: when I. 276 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: Look at that episode, is really pacing is great. 277 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: It's pacing is. 278 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: Great and also so neutrik too, because like, you guys 279 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: are still doing the thing of breaking the fourth wall. 280 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: But what was interesting by that episode is that it's 281 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: like people on the street. They were good, they were fantastic. 282 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: They were so good. 283 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, like for me, I because in the first season 284 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, not again. 285 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: Did you guys try to figure it out totally. 286 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: And Sara Jessica never wanted to do that. 287 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: Oh, never wanted to do not like it? No, well 288 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: it went away by three. Yes, And maybe that's it's 289 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: interesting because that's where it's kind of like, guys, this 290 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: is not a TV show. 291 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: This is strange for the main character. 292 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: For the main character. Yeah, but that's why. That's why 293 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: I like in this episode. 294 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: That it was not the people of the baseball game. 295 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: It was nice. 296 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: It was great, and they were. 297 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: Funny and interesting and I liked it a lot too. 298 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: And I loved that whole baseball thing. I remember going there. 299 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: It was freezing. It was February. 300 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: We went to where they used to play the US 301 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: Open and like Flushing because it was empty, you know, 302 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: we needed an empty stadium. And I got lost, which 303 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: is really common. It was back before we had security, 304 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: so you could just be wandering around, you know, so 305 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: you got lost on aud Yeah, like trying to find 306 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: the way in or whatever. It was like a big 307 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: empty stadium and there was no PA with me or. 308 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: This is there's no. 309 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: They just lost track of me. I was I was 310 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: missing and I was just walking and walking. I think 311 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: I had my cell phone and the big big old 312 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: cell phones, and I think I called Cynthia. 313 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: Like where are you guys? 314 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 3: Wow? 315 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: And then we were up in those stands for like 316 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: a long time and it was cold. Go back in February. 317 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: She wouldn't come on till June's. We had to pretend like. 318 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: It was this when I'm dealing with the shot, like 319 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: we're like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna make it real. 320 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: We're gonna make the weather real. 321 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: You tho, I'm kind of like, oh, I don't want 322 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: to be outside of everybody that like Lena. 323 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: Is deal with it. 324 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's hard. 325 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna play it for winter though, because we're 326 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: not trying to be toolls. But that's us. 327 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: It didn't look cold, you guys tricked me. 328 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. 329 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: I mean she had the first on that. 330 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: Yes she has she has that vintage for she of 331 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: course she has everything in her story. 332 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: Oh, she got all of it. That cold is. 333 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I know that coat is good. I know that code 334 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: is good. They had to retire it because people got 335 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: upset with us about it. 336 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: I get it. 337 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: I get it too, obviously, but it's still iconic. 338 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, I have to look at the notes 339 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's something really important that we're not covering. Oh, 340 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: I have that man who wants to adjust himself. 341 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 3: Which is so interesting as a woman who doesn't date men. 342 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: It's that thing of going like, I'm glad these are 343 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: things that one doesn't have to deal. 344 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: With totally totally. I also think it's funny because like 345 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: Charlotte is so into manners, right, of course it would 346 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: really bug her, but also it's funny that it also 347 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: bugs Samantha. It seems to bug everybody. 348 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, it's interesting, It's it's interesting. 349 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 4: Well. 350 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: Also Smith this dealing with her own issue with the 351 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: guy with the smile. 352 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it feels so bad for her in 353 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: this one. And I had forgotten actor, so really bad 354 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: for that actor. And he's so so sweet. 355 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: Y'all do the guy so dirty? 356 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, let me tell you. 357 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: I mean, once y'all get the husbands, you know you 358 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: got you, guys. 359 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Still feel like they feel sometimes lesser, you know what 360 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 361 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: Well, Harry, I mean, look, he was Harry literally and 362 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, given beauty in the Beasts. It's true, but 363 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: he was great and he's still is. 364 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: I know, he's still around. I know I love it too. 365 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean I do remember a lot of those guys 366 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: in the beginning would just be like thrown off, like 367 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: I have to be like the girlfriend. 368 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, like that's guys get so mad about 369 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: the show because it's like you know, I mean you 370 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: guys even made it into a jay Z song. 371 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: He was like, you know, I have to wait till 372 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: sex and the city is over. 373 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: I love it. 374 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: I mean hello because the women are like, yeah, we're 375 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: it's a patriarchy versus a patriarchy in the show, I know, 376 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: and thank god, but that's why, like think about how 377 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: long it's stuck with us, yeah, you know, but then 378 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: you think about it, sometimes women get a little frustrated 379 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: with and just like that because what it's showing is 380 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: sort of this is what it is to age, you know, 381 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: this is what it is to you know, have children 382 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: that are not babies so or have a husband that 383 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: has now died, or to explore your sexuality after fifty 384 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: you know, then it's sort of like, oh, I'm being 385 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: confronted with. 386 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: Like what I know, we're still doing it. 387 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm just married over here with kids. 388 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to be thinking about you know what 389 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: could also be happening, right, And what I think you 390 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: guys are saying is that life isn't done. That is 391 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: exactly what we're saying. 392 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 393 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: The thing that's funny to me is that, I mean, 394 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: it's very hard to be objective when you're making something right. 395 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: And luckily Michael Patrick's in charge, I don't have to 396 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: worry about. 397 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: The big issues. 398 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: But we did all discussed at length about coming back 399 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: and why we would want to come back and what 400 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: we wanted to do, and what we wanted to do 401 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: was say life is not over. Oh yeah, it never ends. 402 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: It's like fascinating and unexpected things happen all the time 403 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: as you continue, and why shouldn't those stories be told? 404 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, it's like it's you guys really are 405 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: a fairy tale for people. So it's almost like somebody saying, 406 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: let's go see how Cinderella's doing. It's like, I don't 407 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: want to know how Cinderella's doing. I don't want to 408 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: know what Cinderella's doing. I want to just think she's 409 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: happy and living her life in the castle. 410 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that part. 411 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: No, y'all are it's fairy tale if you think about 412 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: because how long people have lived with the reruns obviously, 413 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: and obviously think it's to watch it on Netflix. But 414 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: for me, it's about evolution, and I think sometimes for 415 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: people that is scary, to evolve, to grow, to not. 416 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: Stay the same. 417 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for a lot of people it's like, well, no, 418 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: I want to live with them, right, And it's saying that. 419 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: They wanted to stay there, they want to keep that 420 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: kind of glorious bubble. 421 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: True, but it's like, yeah, but I like somewhere over 422 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: the rainbow, but also like, come on, get happy totally. 423 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm thrilled to be doing and just 424 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: like that because I do feel like maybe maybe someday 425 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: more people will embrace it, or maybe they won't. 426 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: And it's fine, no, I think to me whenever, I 427 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: think sometimes if audiences are frustrated by something, it means 428 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: you're drawing blood, as Baldwin would say, and so, but 429 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: also I think it becomes a part of the art. 430 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: So that way, twenty years from now we look back, 431 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: people say, well, what were people saying at the time, 432 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: And that is also a time absolute is an audience's 433 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: reaction to something, because in twenty years somebody will watch 434 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: this and go, oh, how forward thinking or how amazing. 435 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: We can say yes, but at the time, some people 436 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: got frustrated with a non binary character, with the fact 437 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: that Miranda's now queer, or the fact that Big is 438 00:17:58,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: passed away. 439 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: We're going to go and look back, like why are 440 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: they upset about that? 441 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And I think that's why 442 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: whatever people are doing or talking about, it's more of 443 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: an education for us, because that's what I'm saying. 444 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: Someone's upset. 445 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying, oh, y'all just don't want to come into 446 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: this new space, And what it's saying is, oh, y'all 447 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: want to stay in this little box in the same period. 448 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: And it means like, oh, so that's not evolution, that's 449 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: not growing up. That's one to stay in the past, 450 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: and the past cannot if you live in You know, 451 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: everybody that lives in the past, they's always talk about 452 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: what they've done and where they've been, and it's like, 453 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 2: what are you doing now? Yeah, where are you at now? 454 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: And so I think that's why it's just like that 455 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: is so special because now we get to see, oh, 456 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: this is after the happy ending, this is after the 457 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: creditive roles where are you now? 458 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: And that sometimes can be scary for people. 459 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I mean it's scary for us 460 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: sometimes too, just to do it, you know. 461 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: I mean, look, look, there was a beautiful television movie 462 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: called Mary and Rhoda. You know that they you know, 463 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: decided to try to come back. It'll be a TV 464 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: specially everything about matureing a TV show. But I think 465 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: this is no different than that. It's sort of those actresses, 466 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 2: you know, saying these characters still resonate with people, and 467 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: we want to see what they look like. 468 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: And I remember they were dealing. 469 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: With like in the workforce and working with younger people 470 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: and all these different things. I don't like, if you 471 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: go back and look at it's like it's a little 472 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: bit of it, just like that. It's like I remember 473 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: people really I was really excited about them coming back 474 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: and doing that. But it was saying, like, these characters 475 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: are still relevant even though they are not in their 476 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: thirties or forties or one. 477 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: And the thing is too, like the thing that I 478 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: have to remember and that you know so well obviously, 479 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: is you don't really need the invitation to do it. 480 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: You just need to do it, absolutely. 481 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to remember sometimes. 482 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and just push through. 483 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: And what's also interesting is like, look, you guys like 484 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: Rolling Stones, Like people don't show up, they're gonna buy tickets, 485 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: they're gonna come. 486 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 487 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I'm just so you guys 488 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: are like a rock band that people still want to 489 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: come and hear the concert differences. 490 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: You guys are playing new songs now, and so it's. 491 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: Like, oh, we do, we do? 492 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: We do? And I think that's the that's the part 493 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: where I mean it's exciting that it's scary. Yeah, that's 494 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: what you want. You don't coasting, We're definitely no. 495 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 2: I watched that first episode. I was like, what is happening. 496 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: I'm so like Susan Sales Hill. Got to give her 497 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: a shout, Susan phials Hill. 498 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: Susan was like. 499 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: Show running a different world back in the day. She 500 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: show ran my show twenties. And I'm so happy she's 501 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: over there, and I know she's she's iconic and I'm 502 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: sure she's bringing so much and she does. She's just amazing. 503 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: She's so shocking, and she's in New York. Her lady, 504 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: I mean, she's the perfect person in that room. 505 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean she's lived that life as well as knowing 506 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: how to run television. 507 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Oh she's saying, yeah, yeah, she's so happy over there. 508 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we love her so much, so much. 509 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: So I'm so excited. She won't tell me anything. I'm like, 510 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: come on, what's up? 511 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: What's up? She's like, now you got to watch this crazy. 512 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: It is some craziness. 513 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: It is exciting. 514 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: Still, it's interesting. 515 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: I forget everybody is gonna be there and show up 516 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: me talking. 517 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: And that's the thing. There's so much, it's so much 518 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: place to go. Now. 519 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: Before it was like water cooler talk at work, and 520 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: now it's like everybody's like, oh you see. 521 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Which is a little scary. Sometimes. 522 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: Don't be detached. You know, here's the deal. When you 523 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: put work into the world, it no longer belongs to you. 524 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 2: And what people respond to it or how they react 525 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: to it is an education about where we are as 526 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: a society. 527 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: None of this is personal. 528 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: So someone was like, talk about something frustrated a boyut something, 529 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: run toward it, have that conversation. 530 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: Why does that bug you? What about that makes you uncomfortable? 531 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: Why don't you like this character? 532 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: I think it's more about asking people like say Hey, 533 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: why an opinion is fair because everybody's right. If somebody 534 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: says I love this season, I hate this season. If 535 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: y'all are right, what I always going to say is like, 536 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: give me a why why is it not working for you? 537 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: Why do you love it? Why is it? You know? 538 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: Because I remember watching that first season, I was just 539 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: sort of like, oh, whoa, I'm really affected emotionally, you know, 540 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: by what's happening in their lives right now. And it 541 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: was it was challenging me. It was confronting me in 542 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: a way. But that's what your characters have always done. 543 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: So this isn't new. It just looks a little different, different, 544 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: but it's. 545 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 3: A continuation of what the show has always been about. 546 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: Definitely how we feel. But it is interesting because the 547 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: world is changing so rapidly, kind of in a back 548 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: and forth almost kind of way. 549 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you gotta be careful because don't want to 550 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: get like can we say that? Like I love your character. 551 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: It's always like, you know, is this loically correct? It's 552 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: gonna say this and that you got to have that 553 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: voice there, but you know, at the end of the day, 554 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: people going to say what they're going to say anyway, 555 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 2: So you just want to just make something interesting. 556 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Yeah, Lena, Yes, are you a Charlotte Charlotte? 557 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: You know what? 558 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: But I'm pretty I think if Charlotte is old fashioned, traditional, yep, 559 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: and very picky when it comes to who she's going 560 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 2: to date because she is thinking about the future always. 561 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: So I actually have found that I am a little 562 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: bit like because I'm also a romantic. She she does 563 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: as I am. I as optimistic as I don't think so, 564 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: I think, but I'm not a pessimist because, as Baldwin says, 565 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: I can't be a pessimist because I'm alive. 566 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: Good point. 567 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: But I always thought of myself as. 568 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: A little bit more like Miranda, because she's such a 569 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: realist and she's so grounded and she's so discerned clear. 570 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: But I think the reason I've always loved Charlotte, and 571 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: I think what so many people do, is because she 572 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: is almost a fairy tale and a human. She believes 573 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: in it and she's willing to do whatever she. 574 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: Has to to have it. 575 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: And so I think she's very tenacious, Yes she is, 576 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: and she's also just really loving and sweet and wants 577 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: to do the right thing. Yes, very loyal very I am. 578 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: I'm a very loyal. 579 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: Person, and so I think I relate a lot to Charlotte, 580 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: especially now as I watched the show changes it does 581 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: for all of you know, it depends on where you 582 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: are on your life. But I think with Charlotte, she's 583 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: such a She's someone you can count on and she's 584 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: someone that you know, if you go to her, you're 585 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: going to get love. 586 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: That's true. 587 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: So I hope I get to be a Charlotte, get 588 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: to play it. 589 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: But you're very Charlotte. You're very sure. I know people 590 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: necessarily know that, but I know that. 591 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. 592 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: You're super supportive. Yes, you're a big support system for 593 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people. 594 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: Oh thank you. 595 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 596 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: If I'm if I'm if I'm like stressing, I'm like, 597 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave, you know, voicemail. 598 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: Please, yes, text me on social media. 599 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: At the time, I was like panics. I was like, 600 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: come to my house. 601 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Don't worry. Yeah. The thing about 602 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: that show is the casting is obviously divine and amazing. 603 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you guys are giving beatles for television. 604 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: But each element is important and I think you know, whoever, 605 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: when you walked in and they said, Okay, Charlotte, not 606 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: so much. 607 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 3: Not so much. 608 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: They were like, yes, Charlotte, but we don't know how 609 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: important Charlotte's voice is until we got going and they 610 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: were like, oh, yes, we actually need that voice. 611 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: But you're so good and you bring such and also 612 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: like getting to know you, that energy that you have 613 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: you bring to her and it's just such a needed 614 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: note and that on that on those songs. 615 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: So it's so lovely to see you. 616 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't even talk about your going to 617 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: clash with Michael Patrick. 618 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: Well please, he had, you know, he he he schooled me. 619 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: He you know, he definitely showed me the roapes before 620 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,239 Speaker 2: I even met him. 621 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: Love it. 622 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: And then when I got to meet him, you know, 623 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: he really kind of let me know how it is 624 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: and is not afraid to, you know, keep me in 625 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: line a little bit. But no, I love him. You 626 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: know he did. 627 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: You know. 628 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: It's like he can pull rank whenever he wants. 629 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: You know, It's true. 630 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: I respect our respect. That's important. 631 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: I think it is important to respect. But I also 632 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: feel like the thing that I love is when you 633 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: find out about how people learn to become a creator 634 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: and a showrunner. It is not easy. 635 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a thing called the show Runner Trainee Program 636 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: that that the WGA does to be a part of 637 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: which he's always is the last sort of like sort 638 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: of class speech, and he gave a memorable one and 639 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: something I always remember, and he like he thought he 640 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: said the thing about the circus, Like he's like, yeah, 641 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: you're the MC, You're the one, and there's all these 642 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: things going on and you have to and not too 643 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: many people can do that. It's to and I don't 644 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: do that. By the way, I have short runners and 645 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 2: I'm the creator. Yes, yes, and. 646 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: Then you have to manage all of them, yes, yes, 647 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: to hire those people and make sure they're on track. 648 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, it is. 649 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. 650 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: Look, because I just learned. 651 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: I saw the same names keep popping up on the 652 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: you know Jenny bit, like you know, guys names and 653 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: stuff like that. The writers and I always paid attention to, yeah, yeah, 654 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 2: kind of seeing who would come up and whose episodes 655 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 2: are like yeah, and one of your writers, I think 656 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: it was Cindy Ye who saw me after a screening 657 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: of a show and at that point she had seen 658 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: the things give an episode because the season was out 659 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: and she's like, you're gonna win en me for that 660 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: episode like long before you And she was like, I 661 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: know these things, you're gonna win me. 662 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 3: And I was like okay, and uh yeah, and I'm. 663 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: Sure she were sure, but I remember that I called 664 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: it y she did, She's coming on soon. 665 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: We got to get her. We're trying to keep them 666 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: in order. When they joined, Jenny already came on. 667 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: Because she was I heard her. Yeah, yeah, when does 668 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: Cindy come in now? 669 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: Like too? Yes, season took a couple of next, couple 670 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: of yeah. 671 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean I remember the names. I would see the names, 672 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: and so I see so many women, you know. 673 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: I just was always like, oh, they are. 674 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: In there going I know, And I don't think people 675 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: really realize that. I tried to shout it out as 676 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: much as I can, but there were so many women 677 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: in that room, like please get out of here. Of course, 678 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: of course, of course, Illo Susan Bell's Hill, Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely. 679 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: And are you know Lisa and Julie who we had 680 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: when they were like twenty seven they started with us 681 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: and now they're you know, co executive producers and we 682 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: love them so much and they're so great and it's 683 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: so amazing. Haven't that youth that you still to develop 684 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: with people? Yes, yeah, it's really special to get to 685 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: do that business. 686 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: Good. 687 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. I'm excited. I'm excited about this season. 688 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm excited and scared. I was watching that first 689 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: one and we're for some reason, they're doing like this 690 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: event party they showed you, y'all. 691 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: My cast has to wait to see it like we all. Yeah, 692 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: we would riot. Oh y'all can pabu right? Like they 693 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: don't they like we want to cast. No, they gotta 694 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: waita watch it with the audience. That hurts. 695 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: I know. 696 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: Wow, that's not my choice. 697 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: No, I get it. 698 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, baby, thank you wonderful. 699 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to come back. I will come on 700 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 2: and school us. 701 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: Yes, whatever history, man, I knew you would bring them, 702 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: bring it in the fast. 703 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: I did. 704 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: I love the facts. 705 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. 706 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: I should have talked about more details, but your stuff 707 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: was much more. 708 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: No, you killed it.