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Speaker 1: the worker's struggle of nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty two
Speaker 1: in southern Argentina. God, it's so dry when you phrase
Speaker 1: it that way, like oh yes, like I used to
Speaker 1: like be like I want a history book, and then
Speaker 1: it would be like the Worker's Council of the following
Speaker 1: country from nineteen twenty two to nineteen twenty two and
Speaker 1: a half, and I'm like, I mean, fortunately, this book
Speaker 1: is actually called Rebellion in Patagonian and it's actually like
Speaker 1: really readable and amazing spiles Valdo Beyer. He had to
Speaker 1: flee the country for writing a history book. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that at the end, because this is part four
Speaker 1: of a four parterer, which means it's the end, which
Speaker 1: unfortunately usually doesn't mean it's the peak of everyone's lives. However,
Speaker 1: I promise you there's so much more interesting shit to come,
Speaker 1: including literally my favorite assassin in history, which is saying
Speaker 1: something because I do a podcast that includes a lot
Speaker 1: of anarchiststory and we do a lot of other stuff,
Speaker 1: but that is one thing that we are known for.
Speaker 2: I was promised this assassinate in episode one, and I've
Speaker 2: been waiting for it before. Oh yeah, so he finally
Speaker 2: get there. Yeah, no, it's we're not there yet. Is
Speaker 2: There's some more stuff that needs to happen.
Speaker 1: But it is good. It is well, it's interesting. It
Speaker 1: is not boring. I promise you that. What I can
Speaker 1: promise you is that Virella, the lieutenant who oversaw the
Speaker 1: military part, he was satisfied he you know, successfully negotiated
Speaker 1: this piece right where we last left our heroes. They
Speaker 1: just successfully want to strike by being all kinds of
Speaker 1: wild and using diversity of tactics, including taking hostages and
Speaker 1: also striking in boycotts in order to get the bunk
Speaker 1: beds taken out and people to be treated vaguely decently
Speaker 1: on these sheep farms, and so Verella's like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: worked out a peaceful solution. The workers are satisfied too,
Speaker 1: they won the owners. They're not so satisfied they wanted
Speaker 1: to drown the country in an ocean of blood or
Speaker 1: should not give people cots? Yeah, I know, it's really
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Think it's something that like, like history books are really
Speaker 2: bad at getting across just how unbelievably bloodthirsty these people
Speaker 2: are over stuffed.
Speaker 1: That is like I just yeah, I cots, really, I know.
Speaker 1: And like all of the press, of course is like, oh,
Speaker 1: these anarchist bandits who are robbing, and like actually almost
Speaker 1: all of the robbing. I mean, okay, the anarchists were
Speaker 1: doing some robbing, to be fair, but like no one
Speaker 1: was obeying the law, and the far bloodthirstier side was
Speaker 1: the owners. So Verrella goes up back north and someone
Speaker 1: asks him they're like, well, what if it just starts
Speaker 1: right back up again? And Verrella's quote about it is,
Speaker 1: if it starts up again, I'll come back down and
Speaker 1: shoot the lot. The anarchists immediately look for the next struggle.
Speaker 1: They like won, right, but they're like, well, we got
Speaker 1: to keep this going. The meat packing plants in the city,
Speaker 1: the workers there have a contract in which they are
Speaker 1: shipped in and paid very very little. And what little
Speaker 1: they're paid, they're only paid at the completion of the contract.
Speaker 1: If they are fired for any reason, oh like for
Speaker 1: labor organizing. Let's say, they lose everything they've earned, right,
Speaker 1: so you're completely at the whims of your employer. So
Speaker 1: the anarchists are like, all right, we're going to organize this.
Speaker 1: The strike only lasts a week and it fails. And
Speaker 1: it fails for two reasons. First because the workers are
Speaker 1: new to the area and they're not as embedded in
Speaker 1: the radical culture of the area, so they don't have
Speaker 1: as strong of a culture of solidarity. I'm not sureing
Speaker 1: to blame them, it's just you know, they're not practiced right.
Speaker 1: And second, because there's a split within the labor movement,
Speaker 1: the Neutra syndicalists have finally sort of succeeded at their
Speaker 1: goal of fucking everything up, and so they split off
Speaker 1: from the larger anarchists union. And this neutral syndicalists union
Speaker 1: is heavily celebrated by the conservative press. But like all
Speaker 1: of the right wing papers like hooray, we have good
Speaker 1: workers now who aren't evil anarchists, you know, And the
Speaker 1: new union is it gets a little blurry because there's
Speaker 1: also this right wing union that happens. And I think
Speaker 1: that the tour conflated a little bit. I actually think
Speaker 1: that they're separate. But they an actual right wing union
Speaker 1: also starts at this time, and it's called the Drivers
Speaker 1: and Mechanics Union, and they are an anti anarchist union.
Speaker 1: That's like their thing. But there's an interesting thing about
Speaker 1: this union. It's not there's no drivers or mechanics in it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a Joe the Plumber thing again.
Speaker 1: It is started by, at least according to their detractors,
Speaker 1: it is started by various pimp, strike breakers, Patriotic League guys,
Speaker 1: and other enemies of the working class. None of them. Oh,
Speaker 1: and then these like nine guys, the nine people in
Speaker 1: the union, they try to occupy the Workers' League offices,
Speaker 1: but Antonio Soto just shows up and personally throws them out.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming this is very literal too. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: totally like imagine the bar saloon, only he's probably careful
Speaker 1: not to break his own window, you know. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: tells about the door because he's being polite. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I have a feeling you have help doing this.
Speaker 1: But and so the anarchists call for a meeting of
Speaker 1: all the drivers and mechanics because they're like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 1: are you like, guys not happy? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: And all the drivers and mechanics are like, what, no,
Speaker 1: we're with you. Those are literally just nine assholes pretending
Speaker 1: to be us. And the workers do get a win.
Speaker 1: They lose this meat packing strike, but they do get
Speaker 1: a win. Every store they've boycotted gives in rehiring the
Speaker 1: workers and pays fines to the unions. And the reason
Speaker 1: that this tactic works so well is it pits the
Speaker 1: business class against itself. I actually recently saw this. Meaning
Speaker 1: there's like a poster going around being like, well, the
Speaker 1: rich of class solidarity, why don't you or whatever? You know,
Speaker 1: they don't always right by boycotting certain businesses. Other businesses boomed,
Speaker 1: so those businesses started supporting the workers because the class
Speaker 1: solidarity the bourgeoisie was broken by the anarchists. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: anarchists right around ranch to ranch, and they're getting the
Speaker 1: workers ready for another strike if the bosses don't comply
Speaker 1: this coming spring September. This time, though, they're preaching pacifist resistance,
Speaker 1: and the right wing, the Union of Owners, is running
Speaker 1: around telling the bosses, don't comply. I know we signed
Speaker 1: a trade agreement. I know it was ratified by the government,
Speaker 1: and a lieutenant colonel oversaw the whole thing. Well, we
Speaker 1: could just not do what we promised. That's how we
Speaker 1: got this land in the first place. Probably actually, I
Speaker 1: don't know about the whatever. It's all bullshit anyway. And
Speaker 1: the owners, they are not preaching pacifism. They're like, also,
Speaker 1: we can just kill all the workers if we want.
Speaker 1: There's always more, and so they start getting even more
Speaker 1: guns that winter l sixty eight, and some of the
Speaker 1: bandits disappear into Chilian out of history, but some of
Speaker 1: the others, including El Tuscano, the Tuscan he's been here
Speaker 1: since the beginning. I just didn't include his name because
Speaker 1: there's when you got a guy named L. Sixty eight around,
Speaker 1: you pick him as the person of it. Yeah, El
Speaker 1: Toscano and his crew they stick around and there's still
Speaker 1: being anarchist bandits. They call themselves the Red Council, and
Speaker 1: there isn't a way that's I know, I know they're
Speaker 1: kind of cool. They wear red band armbands as they
Speaker 1: like run around and like rob owners and shit, and
Speaker 1: I think they mean it. I think they are socialist anarchists,
Speaker 1: but like that. Because there's not a strike anymore, the
Speaker 1: like moderate anarchists in the cities are like, look, we
Speaker 1: got to kind of distance ourselves from you, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're not with you on this right And I
Speaker 1: like to think L. Sixty eight he was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: we can't band it anymore. The strike is over, and
Speaker 1: he went to go retire in Chile. That's what I
Speaker 1: like to think happened L. Sixty eight. Or he's a
Speaker 1: vampire and I met him in Tucson in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three and he had a sword. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no one's ever seen them at the same time. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't rule it out. I absolutely cannot rule it out.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember what number that guy went by.
Speaker 1: So and so the rest of the union distanced themselves
Speaker 1: from El Tascono and his crew, but they're trying not
Speaker 1: to be total shits about They're like, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: with you, but we're not like against you, right, that's
Speaker 1: what they try to do. But a few union members
Speaker 1: snitch out the bandits, oh no, and the rest of
Speaker 1: the union, the rest of the union is like, what
Speaker 1: the Yes, because we don't affiliate with them, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can fucking snitch them out. Yeah, And that's the
Speaker 1: end of the Red Council. They get arrested because they
Speaker 1: get betrayed by these people who are in the fucking
Speaker 1: anarchist union. That's so sad. I know, I think they
Speaker 1: have a higher survival rate than the rest of the workers,
Speaker 1: because no, everything keeps boiling over all across the region
Speaker 1: like they're supposedly in peacetime rate, but not really. In
Speaker 1: one smaller town, a local businessman he fires into the
Speaker 1: air trying to disperse a worker's rally. He's like, get
Speaker 1: back to work, you rabble, you know, And so then
Speaker 1: he's tackled and disarmed by the workers, so he fires
Speaker 1: all of his workers. So all of the other workers
Speaker 1: boycott him. Like the rest of the city, no one
Speaker 1: will deliver him supplies anything. Right, All of those boycotting
Speaker 1: workers are then fired by their own companies. Antonio Soto's
Speaker 1: quo about it as they decided to general strike. Of
Speaker 1: course they're going to general strike in response to this,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. Right. No one was like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if we're gonna general strike. His quote about it is
Speaker 1: we may die of hunger, but so will they. You know,
Speaker 1: that's an incredibly hard lie. Yeah. Yeah. Shopkeepers have to
Speaker 1: work their own counters and unload their own ships. More
Speaker 1: and more federal troops keep rolling in. Everything is waiting
Speaker 1: on sheep sharing season. They're like, I wonder if the
Speaker 1: owners are gonna honor their word, Like, is this gonna
Speaker 1: calm down or is this gonna go wild At the
Speaker 1: start of October, it's working a little bit. Some bosses
Speaker 1: are honoring the agreement. Those that refuse face strikes. This
Speaker 1: is all too much for the cops, who, of course
Speaker 1: start beating and arresting organizers and strikers because they're cops.
Speaker 1: Say they do it like it's their job. And I'm like, God, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's their job. Yeah, it all could have gone fine,
Speaker 1: but once again, the police break the hell out of
Speaker 1: the law, you know, running around beating people up just
Speaker 1: for striking and shit like that. So the anarchists do
Speaker 1: the thing they always do. They call for a general strike,
Speaker 1: workers on furl the red and black flag over ranches
Speaker 1: and they go on horsebacks spreading the word. I think
Speaker 1: they use the red flag too, but I like the
Speaker 1: red and black more so I'm including that one because
Speaker 1: they use both. And President Irgoshin he sends Lieutenant Colonel Virella,
Speaker 1: who negotiated the last deal, I think, even with the
Speaker 1: same like you're the like thing they told him is
Speaker 1: go do your duty just a month or so prior Argentina,
Speaker 1: because it's now held by the liberals, right, the radicals,
Speaker 1: Argentina abolished the death penalty. The first fucking thing that
Speaker 1: our germaniphile lieutenant does when he shows up is he
Speaker 1: announces he's forming firing squads. Ah ah, I love the
Speaker 1: rule of law and incredible things.
Speaker 2: Happening here in legal land.
Speaker 1: H So, and why exactly the radical government acted like this?
Speaker 1: As a matter of historical debate, neither neither of The
Speaker 1: two sides of this debate make it look good. Either
Speaker 1: it caved to the army, which skewed far right and
Speaker 1: they were like afraid of a coup right which happened
Speaker 1: ten years later so or eight years later, ten years
Speaker 1: later whatever. Or it caved to the upcoming elections and
Speaker 1: pressure to have no disturbances in the country. So either
Speaker 1: they caved to their own base or they caved to
Speaker 1: the right wings base. Either way they they caved. So
Speaker 1: Strike number two starts. This time around, the strike doesn't
Speaker 1: have as much support. The anarchist union unionists have distanced
Speaker 1: themselves from the anarchist bandits and even snitched them out,
Speaker 1: so there's no longer a guerrilla force. Right. The neutral
Speaker 1: syndicalists are siding with the establishment, so a large minor,
Speaker 1: a large minority of the urban working class sits aside
Speaker 1: and sits they sit this one out. The middle class
Speaker 1: was citing the estab with the established to this time
Speaker 1: more and more because the propaganda against the lawless strikers
Speaker 1: was starting to take hold, and the anarchists, who are
Speaker 1: mostly immigrants and indigenous workers, were left alone. They're still
Speaker 1: the majority of the working class, but they're no longer
Speaker 1: like a supermajority, and they're no longer so well armed
Speaker 1: or supported by other groups. They do it anyway. In
Speaker 1: only a week, they mobilize the entire southeast of the province.
Speaker 1: Soon work on every ranch in the south has stopped. Wow,
Speaker 1: and they did it like this, to quote Oswaldo Bayer quote,
Speaker 1: the delegates approach a ranch, speak with the peons, commandeer weapons,
Speaker 1: and take food as needed in exchange for vouchers signed
Speaker 1: by Soto. If the owners or administrators are present, they
Speaker 1: are taken hostage. They also try to take all of
Speaker 1: the ranch's horses with them if possible to avoid being
Speaker 1: hunted down, but no police detachments are attacked. They also
Speaker 1: only take men hostage. Women and children are left at home,
Speaker 1: and a few workers stay in each place attend to
Speaker 1: the needs of the women and children who've been left
Speaker 1: the ranches.
Speaker 2: So the rectory they're kidnapping people. Then they're just rounding
Speaker 2: up all the workers there and going on to the
Speaker 2: next place. Like is it just a column forming basically? Yeah, basically,
Speaker 2: And I think pretty soon it's like a bunch of
Speaker 2: different columns, and they're like splitting up and going to
Speaker 2: all these different places. Yeah, they're like, grab the horses,
Speaker 2: grab the guns, grab the men, let's go on to
Speaker 2: the next place. And then all the stuff that they take,
Speaker 2: they're leaving signed receipts. They're like, we're not bandits. They're like,
Speaker 2: we took four guns and four loaves of bread or
Speaker 2: whatever signed Antonio Soto or whoever is the guy in charge,
Speaker 2: you know, And the hostages are treated well and they're
Speaker 2: given the same food as everyone else. And we know
Speaker 2: this because they said this when they were released. They
Speaker 2: were like, no, we were treated well. The workers they
Speaker 2: only have one demand where they have two demands. One
Speaker 2: is that they the government released their prisoners, right the
Speaker 2: people who have been arrested for organizing the strike.
Speaker 1: The eternal, the eternal general strike demand. I know, however,
Speaker 1: I think that it's a necessary demand anyway. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: also that the owners agree to the terms they've already
Speaker 1: agreed to is a general strike to get them to
Speaker 1: obey what they their own word.
Speaker 2: You know, this is one of those things where it's
Speaker 2: like I always feel kind of weird, like both covering
Speaker 2: and being in labor actions where it's like it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, like you see this, now you have all
Speaker 2: these massive strikes over like, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be crushed by a meat grinder. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think it helps for this stuff too, because it's like no, no,
Speaker 2: like people like people were like taking like seizing ranches
Speaker 2: and taking hostages over abide by the contract. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So like like this stuff is just like I don't know,
Speaker 2: this is this is just the state of class warfare.
Speaker 1: It just looks like it's a lot totally. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because like it's easy to present these people as
Speaker 1: wildly out of line, these evil anarchist bandits, when they're
Speaker 1: literally like I mean, I am not an Argentinian lawyer
Speaker 1: in the early twentieth century. I think they're legally in
Speaker 1: the right here. You know, you're probably not allowed to
Speaker 1: take hostages anyway, only the state's allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: This is the largest sympathy strike in Argentinian history, and
Speaker 1: as the largest one I've ever read about anywhere. So
Speaker 1: with a sympathy strike being like we are striking in
Speaker 1: solidarity with this other thing or these prisoners and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, there's armed columns of hundreds of workers with
Speaker 1: red and black flags and red flags that control all
Speaker 1: the rural roads in Patagonia. At this point and for
Speaker 1: years after this, the official record claimed that anarchists went
Speaker 1: around murdering owners. There is no evidence of a single
Speaker 1: owner being killed except one. He was the hostage of
Speaker 1: workers and then the army shot him because the army
Speaker 1: ignored the hostages and attacked the workers. The workers when
Speaker 1: he was shot tried to save his life and failed.
Speaker 1: That's a real classic RB thing too. Of Okay, so
Speaker 1: we murdered this guy and we're gonna blame everyone else
Speaker 1: for doing this. Yeah, this has no This certainly hasn't
Speaker 1: happened anywhere in the modern world currently. But you know
Speaker 1: what is in the modern world currently? Stuff? Products and services. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many products and services you could have. What's
Speaker 1: a good product and service? You could pay someone to
Speaker 1: tell you how many geese are in a pond. You
Speaker 1: could be like, I don't have time to go geese watching,
Speaker 1: and you could just find someone and pay them to
Speaker 1: go watch geese for you and then just pay them. Well,
Speaker 1: otherwise you have the geese watchers on strike and then
Speaker 1: it really badly, and then they could break into your
Speaker 1: house kidnap you. They'll probably treat you fine, but it's
Speaker 1: all because you didn't pay your geese watchers. Well this
Speaker 1: show sponsored by the geese watchers union, which is totally
Speaker 1: a sense of thing. And then whatever these other ads
Speaker 1: are and we're back. So then the army comes right,
Speaker 1: and at first the workers are relieved. They want an
Speaker 1: arbiter because the bosses are going back on their word
Speaker 1: end mass. They broke their employment agreements and they were
Speaker 1: killing people for striking. So they're like, yeah, thank god,
Speaker 1: Virella is back. He's the guy who made this all
Speaker 1: work last time. He was a little bit you know,
Speaker 1: he's like not totally on our side, but like whatever,
Speaker 1: there's a problem. Rella is there to murder everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like something broken him, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: This is a real decade of people going, oh hey
Speaker 2: the Army series that the army shows up and kills everyone.
Speaker 2: So this this is gonna happen a lot in the twenties.
Speaker 2: It's a real yeah, a little problem. Yeah, so small
Speaker 2: bands of workers. First, he comes up on all these
Speaker 2: small bands of workers, right, and whenever they see the army,
Speaker 2: they like buy in large surrender. A couple of them
Speaker 2: are like, ah, some guys, and they like shoot revolvers,
Speaker 2: and then the other people are like, we have mousers,
Speaker 2: and they're like, cool, we give up, you know. But most,
Speaker 2: for the most part, they're like very specifically, they're like,
Speaker 2: the army is not our enemy. Like the only time
Speaker 2: that there's like a real engagement between the two it's
Speaker 2: when the anarchists think that the army is the cops. Ah,
Speaker 2: And that happens once later. So these small bands of
Speaker 2: workers they see the army and they surrender their weapons
Speaker 2: because this is the man who negotiated their contract, and
Speaker 2: then Virella and his officers kill almost half the people
Speaker 2: who surrender each and every time.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Then he comes up on one of the
Speaker 1: larger masses of workers and he's like, give up your
Speaker 1: hostages and we'll talk. And they're like, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So they give up their hostages as a sign of
Speaker 1: good will and just show their interest in negotiation. Verrella
Speaker 1: takes it as a sign of weakness, and he treats
Speaker 1: them as enemy combatants. This is how he excuses the
Speaker 1: fact that he's executing people. However, not allowed to do
Speaker 1: this in war either. Yeah, it's well to say, you
Speaker 1: very there's a whole thing like the extent to what
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to shoot your prisoners. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: you're legally not allowed to shoot a prisoner if they're
Speaker 1: trying to even if they're trying to escape, I think
Speaker 1: you have to chase them. I'm pretty sure that is
Speaker 1: actually how But well, again, like the cops, cops do
Speaker 1: not abide by the laws of war. Neither do most armies,
Speaker 1: to be fair, but cops especially do not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like absolutely do not abide by the laws of war.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So he treats them as enemy combatants even
Speaker 1: when they flee, even when they try to surrender. And
Speaker 1: here's where August real dark. I'm gonna the time for
Speaker 1: dark times. Many of them are forced to dig their
Speaker 1: their own graves. One of them who survived digging his
Speaker 1: own grave, like, he's like free at the last minute.
Speaker 1: I always wondered and not to be like, I just
Speaker 1: like always wondered why people dig their own graves, right
Speaker 1: and so, and now I got to read a first
Speaker 1: hand account, and he's like, because I was hoping something
Speaker 1: magical would come and save me in any like last
Speaker 1: few moments, I could have a live I wanted to
Speaker 1: have and for this random guy, it worked. Others are
Speaker 1: burned at the stake. They're tied to the posts of
Speaker 1: barbed wire fences and burned alive after being robbed at valuables.
Speaker 1: They are all robbed. We're gonna keep talking about this.
Speaker 1: Others are forced to carry the gasoline that would be
Speaker 1: used to rudely cremate their bodies in the hills. And
Speaker 1: Virella is like when he's reporting, he reports about battles
Speaker 1: where he's like, ah, yes, my thirty one soldiers bested
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty strikers without taking a single casualty.
Speaker 1: That's that's not a battle. That has never happened. Two
Speaker 1: armed forces shooting at each other with more than ten
Speaker 1: to one odds where the smaller side takes not a
Speaker 1: single casualty. That was not a battle. No one shot
Speaker 1: at those people. Yeah, that was a fire. That was
Speaker 1: a massacre of surrendering workers, and it was not an army. Also,
Speaker 1: the army would show up with white flags to negotiate
Speaker 1: and then just kill everyone. Meanwhile, the media presents this
Speaker 1: strike as if it's two different things that are somehow contradictory,
Speaker 1: and no one cares. One is that it's a it's
Speaker 1: all bandits, right, And the other is that it's an
Speaker 1: invasion of brown people from Chile and these word Chilotes
Speaker 1: for them, and the indigenous workers are not invading. They
Speaker 1: categorically cannot anyway. Yeah, and like maybe some of that
Speaker 1: maybe they're from they probably came from Chile, right whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: people probably know where I stand about that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So it is also it's not discussed much in the histories,
Speaker 1: but I have little doubt that it is the racial
Speaker 1: is a of these workers that allows this large scale
Speaker 1: massacre of them. The European immigrants among them absolutely died too,
Speaker 1: but you know, it doesn't matter. They're all getting murdered,
Speaker 1: and there's absolutely racialization to the fact that this wild,
Speaker 1: this large scale murder can happen. And then all of
Speaker 1: the workers, the ones who are spared and the ones
Speaker 1: who are killed, are robbed by the soldiers just like
Speaker 1: everything they own. And these are largely a group of
Speaker 1: people who have no homes and go from job to job,
Speaker 1: but they're not like broke, right, so they carry all
Speaker 1: of their wealth with them, So there's actually a lot
Speaker 1: that is being stolen from them, and survivors are also
Speaker 1: being forced to burn their identity papers. One Chilean worker
Speaker 1: who survived wrote about it. All is an anonymous guy
Speaker 1: for some weird reason didn't want to put his name
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, I wonder why we didn't fight, because
Speaker 1: that was never our intention. We had resolved to avoid
Speaker 1: any confrontations with the arms and to avoid bloodshed because
Speaker 1: our quarrel wasn't with the soldiers. We wanted to carry
Speaker 1: out simple actions that would prevent the ranchers from finishing
Speaker 1: the season's tasks shearing and branding, so that the scale
Speaker 1: of their losses would frighten them and we would be
Speaker 1: able to secure the release of our imprisoned comrades. But
Speaker 1: we were very mistaken. The ranches had to create our
Speaker 1: total extermination and these orders had to be carried out
Speaker 1: no matter what. And this guy, the guy who wrote that,
Speaker 1: who didn't want his name in it, he actually was
Speaker 1: executed too. He survived being executed. He was shot in
Speaker 1: the elbow, in the chest, and then he played dead.
Speaker 1: He spent a day in a pile of corpses and
Speaker 1: then dragged himself miles come nightfall to caves in the
Speaker 1: hills and bandaged his wounds. The army outlawed all labor unions.
Speaker 1: All workers had to carry special papers to allow them
Speaker 1: to exist in public or to move about on roads
Speaker 1: or get hired. Right, So this is where like the
Speaker 1: literal surfdom stuff comes in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like they've I mean they've like
Speaker 2: this is the like, isn't isn't this literally the system
Speaker 2: that was implemented at the start of apartheid that like
Speaker 2: if you were if you were a black worker, you
Speaker 2: had to like carry this pass around in order to
Speaker 2: go places.
Speaker 1: Probably and these laws. Vrella had no legal authority to
Speaker 1: make laws. Yeah, he's just a he's a lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 1: He's a lieutenant what, he's an army guy. Later, it's
Speaker 1: gonna come up where people are gonna be like, wait,
Speaker 1: you did what? But that's not yet. After this, there's
Speaker 1: two groups of workers still standing, each with about six
Speaker 1: hundred people. One is Antonio Soto's in the farthest southern reaches,
Speaker 1: and the other was led by Fassant Grande Big Knife.
Speaker 1: I think he's closer to the coast. I'm not certain.
Speaker 1: Soto and his group Rated Ranches took men hostage, left
Speaker 1: behind promissory notes for all captured goods and Also he
Speaker 1: like outlawed drinking and it kind of worked, you know.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, what if we're all sober, and
Speaker 1: he would like when they would like raid places, he'd
Speaker 1: set the alcohol fire, which honestly makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: If you are running around marauding, you probably should do
Speaker 1: it sober so that you're not doing a bunch of
Speaker 1: real bad stuff. You know. Yeah, it's not a terrible idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: soon they're alone in the hills. But also it's like
Speaker 1: that had to get passed by a vote because I
Speaker 1: what I know about their command structure is what's about
Speaker 1: to come up or they're voting on shit, So I
Speaker 1: assume that they no drinking anyway. Whatever. Soon they're alone
Speaker 1: in the hills. They have captives, and they have dwindling support.
Speaker 1: Soto wants to stay on the run. He's like, we
Speaker 1: just got to keep doing what we're doing until we win.
Speaker 1: Others are like, man, fuck it, we're all about to
Speaker 1: die anyway, let's just turn and fight. Fuck them, you know. Others,
Speaker 1: most of them, they want to negotiate. They're like, ah,
Speaker 1: it's a virella. It's gonna work, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: no not really a good way to like totally know
Speaker 1: what's happening, you know. Yeah, And so they vote and
Speaker 1: the negotia, the pro negotiation people win, and so they
Speaker 1: send two negotiators who are promptly marched into the river
Speaker 1: and shot. The anarchists vote again, and they vote for surrender.
Speaker 1: Soto says his final piece. He says, I am not
Speaker 1: meet to be thrown to the dogs. If my comrades
Speaker 1: are staying to fight, then I will stay. But my
Speaker 1: comrades don't want to fight. So he and a dozen
Speaker 1: others ride off into the darkness. And he's the last
Speaker 1: connection between the rural striking the worker society. So with
Speaker 1: his departure, so ends the worker society. He also, by
Speaker 1: being the guy who in the end was like fuck this,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving, winds up the only organizer of note who survives.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I mean I guess it makes sense
Speaker 1: given that there's you know, d Army's just decided to
Speaker 1: just st just straight up to an extermination campaign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll talk about how they pick them now. When
Speaker 1: so the surrendering workers, surrendering workers are about one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty of them, which I think is probably about
Speaker 1: a third of them. Maybe a quarter of them, or
Speaker 1: just execute on the spot. One is a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old boy who they pick up shortly after, who might
Speaker 1: have been running messages for the strikers. He shouted murderer
Speaker 1: as the firing squad ended his life. A German Man
Speaker 1: Otto whose last name is lost to history. He said
Speaker 1: in Spanish, this is not how you kill people. Not
Speaker 1: even in the European War, where I fought for four years,
Speaker 1: did they ever execute unarmed prisoners. Not entirely truth, that's true,
Speaker 1: but fair enough, but it's not a lack.
Speaker 2: But still like Jesus Christ, like yeah, it's like imagine,
Speaker 2: imagine go, yeah, you get through World War One and
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And this is how you fucking go, like God. And
Speaker 1: then his last words were send my regards to the
Speaker 1: old country. Two other German Men or Otto and one
Speaker 1: of two German Men. Before they're executed, they have a
Speaker 1: last wish, and their last wish is that they could
Speaker 1: embrace one last time before dying, because they had traveled
Speaker 1: together their entire lives, and that their death was a
Speaker 1: small price for the fantastic life that they had had together.
Speaker 1: Oh so fuck yeah. Possibly gay German anarchist couple dying
Speaker 1: together in the south of Argentina. I'm glad you lived
Speaker 1: your lives. I'm glad you loved each other, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad I don't know. I believe them when they said
Speaker 1: that this was all worth it, you know. And before
Speaker 1: they were burned or buried, each of the workers was
Speaker 1: robbed one last time by the ruling class, which is
Speaker 1: this really thing of like who was actually the bandits here?
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, it's no question. Really, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me? Like, yeah, the sober people,
Speaker 1: the sober people who are leaving promissory notes. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: borrowed your guns, you know. Yeah. However, okay, there's there's
Speaker 1: eight Chileans who escape by being clever as fuck, and
Speaker 1: like songs were sung about them fifty years later. They
Speaker 1: were like, hey, hey, Brella, we know where Antonio Soto is.
Speaker 1: Give us horses and we'll go get him and we'll
Speaker 1: drag his ass back here. Fuck that guy. And the
Speaker 1: army is like, oh, we're not very smart. So here's
Speaker 1: a bunch of horses. Incredible, and the Chilean's ride out
Speaker 1: into the darkness and out of history and into mythology.
Speaker 1: They good for them. I hope, I hope they're just
Speaker 1: like in the mountains having a good time or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the only workers who are spared are the ones
Speaker 1: whose bosses vouch for them as good hard workers in
Speaker 1: the most glowing terms, which is like wild because some
Speaker 1: of the owners aren't even that mad during all of this,
Speaker 1: and so they're kind of in this weird position too.
Speaker 1: Some of them, most of them are like fuck, yeah,
Speaker 1: kill all these motherfuckers, right, but some of them are
Speaker 1: like put in this position where they are like begging
Speaker 1: to have their workers live spared by the army a
Speaker 1: few weeks later, so there's like one group left. Fassan
Speaker 1: Grande big knives and he is a cart driver who
Speaker 1: never went to school. He surrenders to once more. He's
Speaker 1: convinced that Verrella will treat with him because once again
Speaker 1: the army isn't the enemy. Fassan offers Verrella his hand.
Speaker 1: The lieutenant colonel refuses it, and Fasan is robbed and
Speaker 1: taken out back. They steal the sash he uses as
Speaker 1: a belt, and he is shot while trying to hold
Speaker 1: up his pants. He's left half buried and forced to
Speaker 1: watch his comrades executed. By all accounts, Fassan was generous
Speaker 1: and humble. He gave away what little money he had.
Speaker 1: He was always doing favors for everyone. When one of
Speaker 1: his friends was on the run from the law, he
Speaker 1: brought the guy groceries in the hills. Every single day.
Speaker 1: There's like times he gives like literally all of his
Speaker 1: money to random families. And he's just a fucking cart driver,
Speaker 1: you know. And with that final surrender, the strike is over.
Speaker 1: A few stray anarchists are killed over the next month,
Speaker 1: but this isn't where our story ends, you know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we have to stop in the middle of what we're
Speaker 1: saying because this strange thing interferes with our capacity to speak,
Speaker 1: and our voices change tenor and we start talking about
Speaker 1: ads as if we are possessed in some sort of seance.
Speaker 1: I've experienced this. It is, it's about to happening, feeling
Speaker 1: here it goes and we're back. So wages drop by
Speaker 1: a third as the bosses ignore the agreement they'd signed
Speaker 1: that have been ratified by the National Labor Board. And
Speaker 1: on January first, nineteen twenty two, there's this huge banquet
Speaker 1: thrown by the landowners for their hero down in Patagonia,
Speaker 1: and this is the you know, the sensible radical is
Speaker 1: having this banquet throne for him by all the conservatives.
Speaker 1: The Argentinian owners stood up and they sang the national
Speaker 1: anthem for him, and the British owners, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: British owners stood up and they sang for he's a
Speaker 1: jolly good fellow. How are the Brits?
Speaker 2: Just I every moment in history where the Brits appears
Speaker 2: like they do the exact same thing, the exact thing
Speaker 2: you'd expect them to do, in the most sort of
Speaker 2: like unhingedly violent way possible.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And it's like when I think
Speaker 1: of them invading Ireland, I think, like, well, before any
Speaker 1: of this would have been possible, I imagine them with pith
Speaker 1: helmets and being like radio jolly good as they like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know whatever. Anyway, so they sing
Speaker 1: this terrible song for him, and then there's a second
Speaker 1: banquet too, and two of the ranchers actually refuse to
Speaker 1: attend it because despite their class interests, they were like
Speaker 1: this murder is bad ad right, well you bird people alive,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a bit much. Yeah, Like that's even
Speaker 1: by like like right, that's not We just wanted to
Speaker 1: be in charge of everyone, not murder everyone. Everyone else
Speaker 1: was fine with it, but at least two people, you know,
Speaker 1: had they drew a line somewhere, and I commend them
Speaker 1: for that. And there's another group of people, another group
Speaker 1: of workers, who've been left out of the story so far,
Speaker 1: and they're not fucking happy about this either. On February seventeenth,
Speaker 1: twenty not twenty twenty two, nineteen twenty two, despite what
Speaker 1: I wrote in my script, because I'm incapable of writing
Speaker 1: dates accurately, which funny, I usually actually write eighteen instead
Speaker 1: of nineteen or twenty, like when I write the modern dates,
Speaker 1: I always this is the side. I'm so used to
Speaker 1: doing shit that happens in the eighteen hundreds, that like
Speaker 1: if something happens, and like, you know, like being like, ah,
Speaker 1: I was born in the eighteen eighties. No, I was
Speaker 1: born in the nineteen eighties. No, that's any way the
Speaker 1: point of this. February seventeenth, nineteen twenty two, the soldiers
Speaker 1: show up to a brothel called La Catalana, and they
Speaker 1: are run out by the workers who are wielding beliefs
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and they shout murderers, pigs. We don't sleep
Speaker 1: with murderers. And all five of the workers, they had
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the workplace, they refuse their services
Speaker 1: to the workers. So the cops come and arrest all
Speaker 1: the sex workers as well as the musicians in the
Speaker 1: brothel literally for not sleeping with people, which is bad.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know you would, you would think, but
Speaker 2: like now, I mean it's cops, right, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: neither neither morality nor legality has ever stopped a cop
Speaker 2: from doing anything.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, and like clearly their position on strikers
Speaker 1: has been made plain by the people who had to
Speaker 1: dig their own graves. Eventually, word of the massacre reaches
Speaker 1: the anarchists of Buenos Aires up north, and they are
Speaker 1: of course immediately out in the streets. The syndicalists, like
Speaker 1: they try and stay on the sidelines until they just
Speaker 1: hear the sheer scale of it. There's about fifteen hundred workers,
Speaker 1: mostly rural anarchists, most of them quote unquote Chileans, with
Speaker 1: a few immigrants from Europe among them, and they'd been
Speaker 1: executed by the liberal government that had just abolished the
Speaker 1: death penalty. So even the radical Civic Union Verrilla's own
Speaker 1: party was like, oh, come now, that's a little bit much,
Speaker 1: isn't it. You did what? Yeah? And I mean they
Speaker 1: set them up for this, right, They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: do your duty, wink wink, nudge nudge, and then we're like,
Speaker 1: what you did your duty? How dare you? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't really have any sympathy for the man, but
Speaker 1: that is as best as I can tell what happened.
Speaker 1: He leaves Patagonia hero right, but he gets to Buenos
Speaker 1: Aires and no one will come to greet him from
Speaker 1: his own party or from the city except the fucking
Speaker 1: right wing militia, the Patriotic League, and even they, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're there with like flowers and fanfare.
Speaker 1: I think that they're like waiting to jump anyone who
Speaker 1: fucks with them. Socialist politicians to cry the massacre. The
Speaker 1: radicals block any investigation and quietly demote Virella to teacher
Speaker 1: at cavalry school. They don't actually demote any stays a
Speaker 1: lieutenant colonel, but like you know, they don't let him
Speaker 1: be in the field day. They gave him a desk job, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they gave him like they found they found the
Speaker 2: mildest punishment they could possibly do. That was tech that
Speaker 2: if you like squint properly, is still a punishment totally.
Speaker 1: They were like, how do we get this man out
Speaker 1: of the public eye while we quietly block any investigation
Speaker 1: from happening. One there's that one good radical civic union guy,
Speaker 1: the judge, the progressive judge, Vignats, and he goes back
Speaker 1: down to Patagonia and he has the goal of releasing
Speaker 1: the remaining workers. There's a fuck town of people still
Speaker 1: in prison, right, everyone who didn't get murdered or trick
Speaker 1: the fucking Yeah, it's giving them horses so that they
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, yeah, we're totally gonna go get Soto,
Speaker 1: give us your horses. And he goes down there. Vignask
Speaker 1: goes down there and he takes statement after statement of
Speaker 1: the murder and the theft that all of these prisoners
Speaker 1: suffered at the hands of the army. And the statements
Speaker 1: are filed away, and they're soon to be locked up
Speaker 1: by a military dictatorship and they're not gotten for a
Speaker 1: very long time. Those men never see any justice. They are, however, released.
Speaker 1: So that's better to have been robbed successfully than murdered.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say. Yeah, I get the the
Speaker 1: world's tiniest Yay, yeah, totally. I mean I guess that
Speaker 1: is like you know, like when you get mugged, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: that sucked. I guess I'm alive, you know, like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, but I feel like it's I feel like it's
Speaker 2: worse when like the state might extremely large number your
Speaker 2: friends have been also killed.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's true. If the state killed half of my
Speaker 1: friends and then robbed me, I wouldn't be like, at
Speaker 1: least I'm not in prison. I'd be like, yeah, my
Speaker 1: life has no meaning but to see the destruction. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: speaking of people who are really upset, we're finally coming
Speaker 1: to our pacifist assassin. Yay, we come to Kurt Gustav Wilkins.
Speaker 1: Hurt Wilkins is a German anarchist, a Tolstoyan anarchist, which
Speaker 1: is to say he is a pacifist Christian anarchist, and
Speaker 1: not to bring up anything that's gotten you on trouble
Speaker 1: on the internet, there's this thing where people try to
Speaker 1: pretend like there were no Christian anarchists or religious anarchists
Speaker 1: in history, and so they are always like a tolstoyan anarchist,
Speaker 1: which is true. That means he was a pacifist Christian anarchist,
Speaker 1: which there were a lot of. To be fair, He's
Speaker 1: about to do some really on pacifist shit, so very funny. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I had no comment anyone who does a deep cut
Speaker 1: from back when Twitter was Twitter. Oh god, men were
Speaker 1: men and Twitter was Twitter anyway. Kurt Wilkins was born
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty six, the year of the hay Market affair,
Speaker 1: but in Germany, not in Chicago. He wasn't like born
Speaker 1: from the aftermath of the bombing or whatever. Anyway.
Speaker 2: That would have been cool though, if he was just
Speaker 2: a person who was just born at Haymarket while the thing.
Speaker 1: Was going on. Yeah, totally, totally. Just you just listen
Speaker 1: to your just like handed a destiny town. Well, here
Speaker 1: you go. His mom like throws the bomb as soon
Speaker 1: as as soon as Kurt pops out. Hey we're all
Speaker 1: German there, I mean most of them. Anyway, If you
Speaker 1: want to hear more about the Haymarket affair that we're
Speaker 1: talking about, which is the reason we have made, go
Speaker 1: back and listen to the very first episode. Just keep
Speaker 1: scrolling till there's no more scrolling and you will find
Speaker 1: me talking to Robert Evans about the hay market affair.
Speaker 1: Kurt is blonde haired and blue eyed, and he is
Speaker 1: raised in a working class family as a miner in Germany.
Speaker 1: When he's twenty four, he emigrated to the US because
Speaker 1: he didn't have any money, because it sucks being a
Speaker 1: minor anywhere. There's nowhere in history that being a miner
Speaker 1: besides like maybe being the owner of a mine, who
Speaker 1: calls yourself a minor has ever been good. When he's
Speaker 1: twenty four, he emigrates to the United States and he
Speaker 1: becomes a hobo, which is a better job. Unfortunately at
Speaker 1: the time it involves a lot of mining. He also
Speaker 1: becomes an anarchist, pacifist, and a wobbly. Apparently he like
Speaker 1: came a little bit of a Marxist and he showed
Speaker 1: up and was like, oh no, I figured out what's up. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm into Tolstoy, anarchy and the industrial workers of the world.
Speaker 1: So if you had Margaret reference as the industrial workers
Speaker 1: of the world on the cool people bingo card, go
Speaker 1: ahead and mark that square. What about tolls? So I
Speaker 1: feel like Tolstoy gets brought up constantly I know he's
Speaker 1: not a Quaker. It's like a slow shift. The things
Speaker 1: that come up, like no one's died from tuberculosis in
Speaker 1: like weeks on this show. Wow, weird, wow stunning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. And this is the time period where people
Speaker 1: would huh, anyway.
Speaker 2: Well the troops are getting shot, which is just the
Speaker 2: way you don't dive from tuberculosis.
Speaker 1: That is the free space, I think, yeah, one time.
Speaker 1: And so he just works all these different every blue
Speaker 1: collar job this man has. He works at a fish
Speaker 1: canning factory, and he came up with this really cool
Speaker 1: test that I would love to I would never encourage
Speaker 1: anyone to break the law. So he talks to all
Speaker 1: the workers and they start canning all the worst parts
Speaker 1: of the fish as though they are the finest cuts,
Speaker 1: and put them into and then put all the finest
Speaker 1: cuts of fish into all the cheap cans like the
Speaker 1: so that broke people get the good stuff and rich
Speaker 1: people take the gross stuff. But you know that those
Speaker 1: are rich people didn't know the difference. They were like,
Speaker 1: oh nah, yes, you can tell that this fish was
Speaker 1: killed hand filleted by a ceramic knife because of the
Speaker 1: hints of and like motherfucker. That's the guts. I put
Speaker 1: the guts in there. Anyway, he winds up in Arizona
Speaker 1: as a miner, going back to his old job, and
Speaker 1: he winds up getting caught up in something that I'm
Speaker 1: sure will be an episode. But do you ever hear
Speaker 1: about how more than a thousand workers, mostly wobblies, were
Speaker 1: forced into a concentration camp in New Mexico for a while.
Speaker 2: I have vague memories of this, but yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know anything outside of that sentence. Effectively, I don't know
Speaker 2: a ton more than that about it. I have a
Speaker 2: bunch of books like staring at me at aounch on
Speaker 2: the shelf, and I'm like, whenever I like, do an
Speaker 2: actual just like wobbly focused episode, or like an episode
Speaker 2: maybe more focused on the border because the Industrial Workers
Speaker 2: of the World were or whatever. If you've listened to
Speaker 2: any other episode of this show, you know about the
Speaker 2: Industrial Workers of the World. They are a multiracial labor organization.
Speaker 2: So he tries to escape from this concentration camp, which
Speaker 2: is a very natural thing for someone to choose to do.
Speaker 2: He's captured, and he winds up getting escalated up to
Speaker 2: a prisoner of war camp because he's a foreign national,
Speaker 2: right Geese. There he did escape and he escaped and
Speaker 2: he lived free for two years, but he was still
Speaker 2: just a hoboe and he was just like hoboing around working, right,
Speaker 2: Because that's the problem with like being like broken escaping
Speaker 2: from jail. I feel like you're rich and escape from jail.
Speaker 2: I feel like he can kind of just like it's
Speaker 2: easier to like lay low maybe, you know. So he
Speaker 2: gets arrested again and he gets deported back to Germany,
Speaker 2: but he didn't stick around Germany because he liked nature
Speaker 2: and he hated cities. So Hamburg wasn't going to do
Speaker 2: it for him. Yeah, And I mean I think like
Speaker 2: one of the arcs of world histories, everyone who lives
Speaker 2: in Germany being like this sucks and then leaving.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally yeah. And he, you know, he obviously gets
Speaker 1: out before everything goes real as shit, but he leaves
Speaker 1: and he's like trying to figure out where to go,
Speaker 1: and he just hears about this like amazing anarchist scene
Speaker 1: in Argentina, and he's like, well, I'm a hobo and
Speaker 1: I'm like anarchy. I'm going fucking Argentina.
Speaker 3: You know, God, nothing ever changes about anarchy. No, no,
Speaker 3: I mean this is how I moved to Amsterdam. I
Speaker 3: was like, I heard a bunch of anarchists would come
Speaker 3: back from Amsterdam telling all these like glorious stories about
Speaker 3: like fighting cops and squatting and shit.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna go there one day.
Speaker 1: Much like me. He was arrested immediately when he got
Speaker 1: to our team. I was arrested immediately when I got
Speaker 1: to Amsterdam. I was like less than twenty four hours
Speaker 1: before I was in foreign attention. But no, I was
Speaker 1: released the next day. He spent four months in jail,
Speaker 1: and it was because they like had there was like
Speaker 1: newspaper pictures of him from the US right. They were
Speaker 1: like dangerous, scary anarchism. He's a fucking pacifist. The main
Speaker 1: thing he's done at this point is not want to
Speaker 1: be in prison and put fish parts into differently labeled canisters.
Speaker 1: And there was a crime imaginable. Yeah. The other hemisphere
Speaker 1: is like, we got to get this guy. He's the fishmonger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, beware the fishmonger. And I mean to be fair, well,
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. He gets out and he works
Speaker 1: constantly and he goes hungry so that he can send
Speaker 1: money to a comrades who are still in prison. And
Speaker 1: he was a writer too, and he was sending articles
Speaker 1: to two different anarchist papers in Germany, I think one
Speaker 1: in Hamburg and one in Berlin covering what's going on
Speaker 1: in Argentina because we used to have foreign correspondence. I
Speaker 1: guess we actually still do. Hell, there's foreign correspondence school
Speaker 1: Zone Media. So anyway, at some point along the way
Speaker 1: he goes XVX, which is to say he's straight edged vegan,
Speaker 1: which is probably a bunch of labels he would not
Speaker 1: identify with directly because they didn't exist. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: eat meat or drink alcohol. There's a very common thing
Speaker 1: for radicals back in the day. For all of his
Speaker 1: pacifism and theology, he constantly argues against anarchist infighting. He
Speaker 1: defends the violent insurrectionists and the bomb makers, as well
Speaker 1: as the peaceful labor organizers and the mass movement builders
Speaker 1: that I mentioned. I really like him. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 1: like the anti in fighting peace guy. He's fine with
Speaker 1: the people who aren't into peace as long as they're
Speaker 1: on the right side. Anyway, he sees fifteen hundred comrades
Speaker 1: die horribly, and he realizes what he has to do.
Speaker 1: So nine or ten months before he does what he does.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. I mean whatever I called him
Speaker 1: in an assass and people probably figure out what he does.
Speaker 1: He realizes what he has to do, so he stops
Speaker 1: hanging out with his friends. He doesn't want anyone to
Speaker 1: get caught up as his accomplice, so he just like
Speaker 1: ghosts his entire social scene. His friends assume he's gone
Speaker 1: back to the US. That's how completely he's avoiding every wow.
Speaker 1: He goes underground, he's living under another name. To be fair,
Speaker 1: he has like seven names that he goes by. There's
Speaker 1: like newspaper articles about the scary fishmonger. You know. He
Speaker 1: only meets up with other underground anarchists, the expropriators, future
Speaker 1: friends of the Pod, theer a bank robbers that are
Speaker 1: becoming more and more of a thing in Argentina. And
Speaker 1: they help supply him with a gun and a bomb.
Speaker 1: They might have given him the bomb making supplies rather
Speaker 1: than a bomb. Not not certain the details there. So
Speaker 1: it's January nineteen twenty three, it's a year since the massacres,
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, I'm ready. I'm going to
Speaker 1: take this guy out. But he's a pacifist, so he
Speaker 1: has to do it well. He was a pacifist, so
Speaker 1: he has to do it real carefully. He every morning
Speaker 1: he like reads the daily paper and on like the
Speaker 1: tram or whatever on his way to go wait outside
Speaker 1: this guy's house, right, oh my god. And every day
Speaker 1: he leaves without doing anything because Verrella always walks out
Speaker 1: escorted by his daughter. And Verrella is like, I'm not
Speaker 1: a murderer. I cannot put her at risk for you know,
Speaker 1: the crimes of her father. Yeah. But on January twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, after a week of waiting, Verrella comes
Speaker 1: out and his daughter's feeling sick, so he escorts her
Speaker 1: back inside, and then he comes out again alone. Kurt
Speaker 1: waits for Verrella to pass by, and then like or
Speaker 1: like we're about about to pass and then like steps
Speaker 1: out in front of him, when all the fucking sudden,
Speaker 1: a little girl crosses the street like into harm's way.
Speaker 1: So Kurt grabs the girl's arm and is like run,
Speaker 1: a car is coming, and she takes off and he
Speaker 1: stands where his body is going to shield the little
Speaker 1: girl from what he's about to do, and he throws
Speaker 1: a bomb at Verrella's feet. They're both hit and they're
Speaker 1: both injured. Both of Kurt's legs are broken, and he
Speaker 1: knows at this point he's not getting away, right, he
Speaker 1: sacrificed that option when he chose to save the girl.
Speaker 1: He pulls out his revolver empties it into Verrella, killing
Speaker 1: him while the officer tried and failed to draw his saber,
Speaker 1: and Kurt limps away, dragging one leg. Two cops rush up.
Speaker 1: He hands them the gun like handle first and says,
Speaker 1: I have avenged my brothers. Oh my god. Yeah. And this,
Speaker 1: this whole bloody struggle in Patagonia now Buenos Aires, actually
Speaker 1: helps cause the division between the government and the military
Speaker 1: that unfortunately leads to military dictatorship. Not Wilkins, but and
Speaker 1: not even necessarily this assassination, but the fact that the
Speaker 1: government doesn't stand behind the army, right.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even when the Verrilla is dead, the government
Speaker 1: wouldn't honor him, and they wouldn't defend his massacre, and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't promote him hum after he's dead.
Speaker 2: Ah, they've done the absolute bare minimum of the army
Speaker 2: is losing their minds, absolutely losing their minds. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the gu they're liberals, so whenever possible, they're going to
Speaker 2: stay out of anything they can, right, yep. Even though
Speaker 2: Verilla did almost certainly exactly what the Radical Civic Union
Speaker 2: asked him to do. So curts and jail. Now they
Speaker 2: force him to stand on his two broken legs for
Speaker 2: three hours. Oh, when they ask him who he is,
Speaker 2: his Spanish is passable. He speaks a fuck ton of languages, right,
Speaker 2: and so they're like, who are you and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm Kurt whatever.
Speaker 1: And then when they ask him about his crime, suddenly
Speaker 1: he doesn't know any Spanish. The only Spanish he says
Speaker 1: is over and over again. As a script, he says,
Speaker 1: I was alone, intellectual author, I made the bomb without
Speaker 1: help individual act amazing. Yeah, And most of his letters
Speaker 1: from jail are basically like, yeah, they did surgery on
Speaker 1: me with anesthesia and that sucked, and I'll be on
Speaker 1: crutches forever. Anyway. Here's a really really long list of
Speaker 1: books I once sent to me immediately, most anarchist prisoner, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: prison escape and oh shit, I can't break out of
Speaker 1: prison because my legs are broken, said to books. Yeah, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 1: and also in his letters he writes some of my
Speaker 1: favorite things that anyone's ever written. I'm gonna this is
Speaker 1: something he wrote. He's writing a friend about his upcoming trial.
Speaker 1: He says, quote, let's not speak of revenge. It wasn't revenge.
Speaker 1: I didn't see Vrella as an insignificant officer. No, he
Speaker 1: was everything in Patagonia, judge, jury, and executioner. I aim
Speaker 1: to strike at the naked idol of a criminal system.
Speaker 1: But vengeance is unbecoming of an anarchist. Tomorrow or tomorrow
Speaker 1: does not promise quarrels and crime and lies. It promises life,
Speaker 1: love and science, and we must work to hasten the
Speaker 1: coming of that day. That's really beautiful, I know, Like
Speaker 1: I honestly, I use this a lot. I talk about
Speaker 1: like vengeances on becoming of an anarchist is something that
Speaker 1: I talk about a lot that, Like, anarchists are interested in, well, people,
Speaker 1: everyone's different. Some anarchists do this, some anarchists, some non anarchists, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm not interested in vengeance. I'm interested in
Speaker 1: solving problems, and sometimes solving problems means uh, physically stopping people. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the same as I'm not like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: actually want the billionaires dead, I just want them to
Speaker 1: not be billionaires anymore, like, and if we can come
Speaker 1: up with a better way to do that, I'm fucking
Speaker 1: fine with it, you know. Anyway. Also, the other thing
Speaker 1: he writes in this letter that I love, he talks
Speaker 1: shit on the endless infighting and discourse among the anarchists. Quote,
Speaker 1: we must not act like the enemies of La Protesta,
Speaker 1: which is that mainstream anarchist newspaper, and pick apart everything
Speaker 1: that seems wrong about an action or phrase that seems
Speaker 1: unclear to us. He who goes looking for evil is
Speaker 1: generally incapable of generous thought, Perhaps unconsciously, hate turns supposed
Speaker 1: revolutionaries into enemies of revolution. Only those who fight lies
Speaker 1: can love truth. So yeah, it's a it's a.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, this is this is this is a
Speaker 2: this is a very accurate description of the entire experience
Speaker 2: of being on Twitter totally.
Speaker 1: But you're like, what if instead of picking apart everything
Speaker 1: that everyone has ever said and looking for ways that
Speaker 1: they're bad, what if instead we look for ways that
Speaker 1: they're good and encourage them in what they're doing. That
Speaker 1: is good wild yeah concept.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, Like, okay, no, MoMA, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to talk about the incredibly bizarre misreading that somewhat
Speaker 2: did on the thing I did recently, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can just not do this and everyone is happier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's everyone is more productive and you can
Speaker 1: disagree with people about things and then stay friends with them.
Speaker 1: This is a crazy take.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: My friend has been telling me for years, I'm going
Speaker 1: to finally unite the left because they're all going to
Speaker 1: unite in anger at me for trying to stop them
Speaker 1: from infighting. Look, the one thing everyone agrees on is
Speaker 1: fuck Margaret, who's always trying to make us get along.
Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is, then you you can never
Speaker 2: disappear because the moments that they no longer have you,
Speaker 2: the infighting will comebacks.
Speaker 1: You have to just kind of always be there. Oh god,
Speaker 1: this is sispician task or whenever the yah, oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Kurt Wilkins doesn't get to write much more than
Speaker 1: those few letters because soon enough, before he's sentenced, a
Speaker 1: far right guy gets a job as a prisoner. Now
Speaker 1: as a prisoner, and that's a different kind of job
Speaker 1: that's easy to get as a prison guard. Oh God,
Speaker 1: specifically for this purpose, comes into his cell at night,
Speaker 1: wakes him up, and shoots him in the chest.
Speaker 2: This is this is really the period of anarchists getting
Speaker 2: killed in prison. Isn't it probably feel like this is
Speaker 2: like a bunch of people, this happens to it like
Speaker 2: around this time.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me. And it was absolutely
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. I'm not a conspiracy minded person, but this
Speaker 1: was just like literally some people got together and were like,
Speaker 1: how do we get this guy into this room to
Speaker 1: kill this guy? They got him in the job at
Speaker 1: the prison, and then when Kurt was transferred, this prison
Speaker 1: guard transferred also you know, like ooh wow, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk okay. So after hours in the infirmary, Kurt Gustav Wilkins,
Speaker 1: my favorite assassin of all time, goes through the door
Speaker 1: that each of us will one day go. And this
Speaker 1: is where we get to bring this story full circle. Critica,
Speaker 1: the most popular daily newspaper in the city, the one
Speaker 1: that on Rubia ran you know, or helped run Yeah,
Speaker 1: runs the headline. Wilkins was cravenly attacked today in the
Speaker 1: Federal prison and La Protesta wants to call for a
Speaker 1: general strike. Of course they do, but they don't get
Speaker 1: a chance because someone else makes it happen first, the
Speaker 1: fucking bakers. Since since the first couple parts of this
Speaker 1: came out, more than one baker has reached out to
Speaker 1: me talking about how cool these episodes are because of
Speaker 1: the history of radical baking. I should get a po
Speaker 1: box so people can send me bake goods. Anyway, No,
Speaker 1: I actually wouldn't trust them. Damn it, never mind, Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm so sad the day that Kurt Wilkins is attacked.
Speaker 1: He's not dead yet, raising he's in the infirmary. No
Speaker 1: pastries are made, no suites offered to the bourgeoisie. The
Speaker 1: rest of the year, unions run to catch up, even
Speaker 1: the syndicalists for a nine sign onto the strike. It
Speaker 1: spreads across the country. Stores won't open their doors. Not
Speaker 1: on the day that Kurt Wilkins, the avenging Angel the
Speaker 1: working class, was fucking murdered. So the police lay siege
Speaker 1: to the Baker's union hall. So for a I think,
Speaker 1: for I think, the Anarchists for A calls for a
Speaker 1: demonstration right next to the police lines that sketchy at all,
Speaker 1: and the cops open fire and the bakers and their
Speaker 1: supporters shoot right back. In the end, there are three deaths.
Speaker 1: A baker was shot multiple times, a street vendor was
Speaker 1: trampled by police forrces, and a cop got shot three
Speaker 1: times in the belly. But the workers are weary, and
Speaker 1: one by one the unions call off the strike until
Speaker 1: only the anarchists remain. Five days later, the anarchists lift
Speaker 1: the strike too, and there are gatherings for Kurt Wilkins.
Speaker 1: In Germany and Chile. Christian anarchists published pamphlets with lines
Speaker 1: that go hard like this, the people sing their song
Speaker 1: of death and amidst the tears of mothers, Yeah, yeah, no, right,
Speaker 1: oh my God, and admits the tears of mothers, the
Speaker 1: illusions of brides, and the portentous yearnings of the young.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that part means. The world
Speaker 1: embraces the heart of Jesus and the bomb of Wilkins.
Speaker 1: Hail anarchy. The people embrace the heart of Jesus and
Speaker 1: the bob of Wilkins. Maybe the greatest line I've ever heard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: such a twenties anarchist thing, I know. As for the murderer,
Speaker 1: the murderer, murderer, murderer, you know, to be fair, this
Speaker 1: is why people are past this. These cycles of violence
Speaker 1: are motherfuckers. So Perez Milan Meon. Perez Meon is the
Speaker 1: far assassin who killed Kurt, and he was an archetype
Speaker 1: that we're all familiar with today from mass shooters. He
Speaker 1: was the troubled child of a privileged home who was
Speaker 1: obsessed with guns and collected gun magazines from around the world.
Speaker 1: He was a devout. Has ever been a like a
Speaker 1: third type of person? It's like, are we just cursed
Speaker 1: to have the same type of person doing the same
Speaker 1: thing on all sides? For every though, I know it's
Speaker 1: the XBX zealot who does the I mean whatever. If
Speaker 1: I was a right wing person, I'd probably be like,
Speaker 1: this is the cool guy whatever, But I'm not because
Speaker 1: this guy sucks. He's a devout Catholic. He joined a
Speaker 1: far right group and signed up to do security, which
Speaker 1: is like, you join a far right group and you
Speaker 1: want to be the security guy. That's like two strikes.
Speaker 1: You know. He fought in the militias in Patagonia and
Speaker 1: he had briefly been held hostage by Al Tuscano, one
Speaker 1: of the anarchist bandits that we talked about earlier, and
Speaker 1: so he'd been Freerella, so he had some skin in
Speaker 1: the game, right and so but as soon as he's out,
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I want to be a man in
Speaker 1: a uniform. I really like authority, you know. So he
Speaker 1: joins the Coast Guard, which is the only authority uniform
Speaker 1: job that'll have him, and then he gets kicked out
Speaker 1: for being too unhinged. How did you get kicked out
Speaker 1: of the Coast Guard. It's like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: used to have this stalker who got kicked out of
Speaker 1: the Navy for being too violent. So anyway, he likes
Speaker 1: to say that not the guy, not my stalker, but
Speaker 1: presme on. He liked to say that he resigned, but
Speaker 1: he was absolutely kicked out because there's only one type
Speaker 1: of human, only one type of far right human. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also gave a lot of warning signs about what
Speaker 1: he was going to do. Specifically, he kept telling everyone
Speaker 1: loudly over and over again, I am going to avenge
Speaker 1: Verrella's death. Some higher ups, some higher up force helps
Speaker 1: his plan, gets him a job in the prisons. He
Speaker 1: kills Kurt Wilkins, and since it's all a conspiracy, he's
Speaker 1: given a light sentence and sent to a low security
Speaker 1: mental institution. But the thing about the cycle of violence
Speaker 1: and anarchists both are everywhere. So he's now in this
Speaker 1: low security mental institution and two inmates in the asylum
Speaker 1: conspire to kill him. Oh my god. One is an
Speaker 1: old Russian I think Belarusian sociologist, an aristocrat who had
Speaker 1: become an anarchist, moved to Argentina, gave everything he had
Speaker 1: to the movement, and then during the tragic week, realized
Speaker 1: he needed to write propaganda against the pogroms, so he
Speaker 1: did a robbery and that's how he ended up in jail, right,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. He's like, actually the guy who kind
Speaker 1: of started the Argentinian expropriation thing. I think there's another book,
Speaker 1: huh actually also by Octavia, not Octavia, Butler Oswalda called
Speaker 1: the anarchistics Appropriators that I'm going to do an episode
Speaker 1: about one other. This guy will come back into our history.
Speaker 1: He's interesting, Hell yeah, but he's old and sick. At
Speaker 1: this point. He's like not doing well in prison in
Speaker 1: the asylum, and he he didn't have access to Perez
Speaker 1: and he might not have had access to pull the trigger,
Speaker 1: but he had enough charisma to pull some strings. The
Speaker 1: other inmate is more prominently a lunatic, but a scene
Speaker 1: as like a good lunatic. This it gets all gets
Speaker 1: air quotes. You know, he's an inmate in the asylum
Speaker 1: health issues, and his name is Lusig. And he's either
Speaker 1: a little person or has cayphosis, which is what people
Speaker 1: call a hunchback. I don't know which. I've read both
Speaker 1: either way. And the aging frail anarchist gets smuggled a
Speaker 1: gun from the outside and slips it into Lucis's pocket
Speaker 1: because Lusis has more freedom of movement around the asylum
Speaker 1: because everyone trusts him, right, But he's an anarchist too.
Speaker 1: Well actually there's like arguments in history, but I'm like whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just to tell you what he did.
Speaker 1: You know, he walks up to Perez, he says this
Speaker 1: is from Wilkins, and then comes up rules yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean Wilkins probably would have been mad about this,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I probably, but you know whatever, he
Speaker 1: can't make any more decisions. He's dead. So a police
Speaker 1: investigator unravels the entire plot and arrests the three anarchists
Speaker 1: who smuggled in the gun. Like all five of the
Speaker 1: anarchists involved are found out, but friend of the pod
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, comes in a No one talks,
Speaker 1: everyone walks, None of the five anarchists say shit. All
Speaker 1: potential witnesses are untrustworthy. They're inmates of an asylum. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. No one is convicted, I think, not even loosing,
Speaker 1: since he's clearly proved is already unfit to stand trial.
Speaker 1: That's so good, I know. And that's that's what I've got.
Speaker 1: That's the story. After all of this, Argentina does the
Speaker 1: dictatorship it's more famous for, and the Historian on Earth.
Speaker 1: All this in the seventies, as VOLDA Beyer. He has
Speaker 1: to flee the country for writing the book about what
Speaker 1: I just read to you. So did a bunch of
Speaker 1: the people who start in the movie about it. I
Speaker 1: think the governor who let it be filmed was arrested
Speaker 1: for letting this movie be made. Yes, Oh god, Nationalism
Speaker 1: is a hell of a drug. Yeah. This is a
Speaker 1: story that scared the shit out of the right wing
Speaker 1: of Argentina because for decades the official version was the
Speaker 1: only version that people knew. The official version was this
Speaker 1: weird thing where they both put down bandits who are
Speaker 1: also somehow an invading army from Chile. Oswolda Bayer wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to go back until he is out of the
Speaker 1: country for about eleven until nineteen eighty three when democracy returned,
Speaker 1: and then he stayed radical right and he was involved
Speaker 1: in anti colonialism and pro indigenous struggle. And so he
Speaker 1: has the following. First, he gets declared an illustrious citizen
Speaker 1: of Buenos Eiras by the mayor, and then fifteen days
Speaker 1: later the Senate declared him persona non grata for trying
Speaker 1: to tonite Argentinian and Chile and Patagonia, being like, well,
Speaker 1: fuck this, Why are any of these things fucking Argentina.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit. That's incredible. Yeah, that's the story. That's the story.
Speaker 1: That there's a reason that this podcast exists is because
Speaker 1: there are so many pieces. There's sixty eight, and there's
Speaker 1: Don Rubia, and there's Wilkins, and there's Radowitski, and there's
Speaker 1: so many things, and there's two how many at least
Speaker 1: two different groups of anarchists literally ride horses into the sunset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they get away with murder. Yeah, this is three groups
Speaker 1: crossing the Chile, never to be heard from his Well, Okay,
Speaker 1: so Soto actually does come back in history about ten
Speaker 1: years later. He like shows back up and he opens
Speaker 1: a hotel and he stays radical. He he doesn't like
Speaker 1: keep shooting guns and rabbit while he was never really
Speaker 1: into the gun. So if he was a more of
Speaker 1: an organizer, he like he's a little bit settled down
Speaker 1: in his old age, which I don't blame him for,
Speaker 1: but he like runs a hotel and less radicals meet
Speaker 1: there and he lives a you know, but yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: else rides off into this on Saturday times. So yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: what I got, Yeah, I mean this is like, this
Speaker 1: is definitely one of those because I think I think
Speaker 1: the one of the the thing about the way that.
Speaker 2: Anarchist history is remembered is that I feel like every
Speaker 2: every few years someone remembers like a third or like
Speaker 2: a fourth or like a fifth thing that anarchists did.
Speaker 2: And so for a while it was like, well, the
Speaker 2: only two anarchist things ever were like machn noo in
Speaker 2: the Spanish of war, and then people were like, wait,
Speaker 2: there was a thing in Korea. Yeah, and so that
Speaker 2: was like number three and then and it's it's like
Speaker 2: every every sort of like every time you put more
Speaker 2: of the pieces together, it's like wait, no, hold on,
Speaker 2: these people were like anarchists were the majority of socialists
Speaker 2: in most of the world for a long time, and
Speaker 2: obviously they were two a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of Stuffeah, totally yeah, And everyone's like one not
Speaker 1: Scotsman in it where they're like, oh, well, those people
Speaker 1: weren't anarchists. They were just militantly involved in an anarchist
Speaker 1: run organization run by anarchists, And you're like, how are
Speaker 1: we defining an anarchists here? Yes, Like do you have
Speaker 1: to have like is it do we just do we
Speaker 1: have anarchy cards? Now? Like? No? Is it by like
Speaker 1: number of punk albums you can list? Like what is
Speaker 1: what is the criteria here? I once asked I once
Speaker 1: asked Ursula La Gwynn if she was an anarchist and
Speaker 1: she said no, because I'm not enough of an activist.
Speaker 1: I haven't done enough. And I was like, can we
Speaker 1: claim you? And she was like I'd be honored, so
Speaker 1: so fuck all the gatekeeping, you know, yeah, And I'm
Speaker 1: like if she doesn't think she could count. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people I would count higher
Speaker 1: than her, you know, like like like a quarter of
Speaker 1: them diet of this story, so like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally all right, Well that's the end of the story
Speaker 1: that nothing else ever happened. Uh, that's the end of history.
Speaker 1: But if people want to know about current events, what
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