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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hello, and welcome to cool People did

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Speaker 1: cool stuff. It's part four, Part four, Part four, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: part four And I'm your host, Margaret Hill Joy and

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Speaker 1: my producer is Sophie Ray Letterman, and my guest is

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Speaker 1: labeled cool Zone Media. I was just screen I guess

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Speaker 1: his mia, I got I gotta I got a message

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Speaker 1: like right when we like right before we started recording

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Speaker 1: the first episode with Robert that was like I got

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Speaker 1: logged down on the cool Zone account. I was like

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Speaker 1: own account and he's never used it, not once. Anybody surprised. No.

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Speaker 1: Also part of cool Zone Media is Ian our audio engineer,

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Speaker 1: Hey Ian I and distinct from cool Zone Media. But

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Speaker 1: our friend is unwoman who wrote our theme song and

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Speaker 1: also distinct from cool Zone Media. But our friend is

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Speaker 1: the worker's struggle of nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty two

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Speaker 1: in southern Argentina. God, it's so dry when you phrase

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Speaker 1: it that way, like oh yes, like I used to

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Speaker 1: like be like I want a history book, and then

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Speaker 1: it would be like the Worker's Council of the following

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Speaker 1: country from nineteen twenty two to nineteen twenty two and

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Speaker 1: a half, and I'm like, I mean, fortunately, this book

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Speaker 1: is actually called Rebellion in Patagonian and it's actually like

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Speaker 1: really readable and amazing spiles Valdo Beyer. He had to

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Speaker 1: flee the country for writing a history book. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that at the end, because this is part four

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Speaker 1: of a four parterer, which means it's the end, which

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Speaker 1: unfortunately usually doesn't mean it's the peak of everyone's lives. However,

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Speaker 1: I promise you there's so much more interesting shit to come,

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Speaker 1: including literally my favorite assassin in history, which is saying

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Speaker 1: something because I do a podcast that includes a lot

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Speaker 1: of anarchiststory and we do a lot of other stuff,

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Speaker 1: but that is one thing that we are known for.

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Speaker 2: I was promised this assassinate in episode one, and I've

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Speaker 2: been waiting for it before. Oh yeah, so he finally

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Speaker 2: get there. Yeah, no, it's we're not there yet. Is

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Speaker 2: There's some more stuff that needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: But it is good. It is well, it's interesting. It

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Speaker 1: is not boring. I promise you that. What I can

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Speaker 1: promise you is that Virella, the lieutenant who oversaw the

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Speaker 1: military part, he was satisfied he you know, successfully negotiated

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Speaker 1: this piece right where we last left our heroes. They

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Speaker 1: just successfully want to strike by being all kinds of

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Speaker 1: wild and using diversity of tactics, including taking hostages and

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Speaker 1: also striking in boycotts in order to get the bunk

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Speaker 1: beds taken out and people to be treated vaguely decently

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Speaker 1: on these sheep farms, and so Verella's like, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: worked out a peaceful solution. The workers are satisfied too,

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Speaker 1: they won the owners. They're not so satisfied they wanted

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Speaker 1: to drown the country in an ocean of blood or

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Speaker 1: should not give people cots? Yeah, I know, it's really

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think it's something that like, like history books are really

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Speaker 2: bad at getting across just how unbelievably bloodthirsty these people

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Speaker 1: That is like I just yeah, I cots, really, I know.

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Speaker 1: And like all of the press, of course is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: these anarchist bandits who are robbing, and like actually almost

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Speaker 1: all of the robbing. I mean, okay, the anarchists were

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Speaker 1: the owners. So Verrella goes up back north and someone

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Speaker 1: asks him they're like, well, what if it just starts

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Speaker 1: if it starts up again, I'll come back down and

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Speaker 1: shoot the lot. The anarchists immediately look for the next struggle.

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Speaker 1: They like won, right, but they're like, well, we got

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Speaker 1: If they are fired for any reason, oh like for

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Speaker 1: labor organizing. Let's say, they lose everything they've earned, right,

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Speaker 1: so you're completely at the whims of your employer. So

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Speaker 1: the anarchists are like, all right, we're going to organize this.

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Speaker 1: The strike only lasts a week and it fails. And

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Speaker 1: it fails for two reasons. First because the workers are

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Speaker 1: the Neutra syndicalists have finally sort of succeeded at their

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Speaker 1: and Mechanics Union, and they are an anti anarchist union.

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Speaker 1: That's like their thing. But there's an interesting thing about

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a Joe the Plumber thing again.

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Speaker 1: It is started by, at least according to their detractors,

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Speaker 1: and then these like nine guys, the nine people in

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Speaker 1: the union, they try to occupy the Workers' League offices,

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Speaker 1: but Antonio Soto just shows up and personally throws them out.

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Speaker 1: totally like imagine the bar saloon, only he's probably careful

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Speaker 1: And I have a feeling you have help doing this.

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Speaker 1: are you like, guys not happy? Like what's going on?

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Speaker 1: And all the drivers and mechanics are like, what, no,

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Speaker 1: we're with you. Those are literally just nine assholes pretending

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Speaker 1: to be us. And the workers do get a win.

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Speaker 1: They lose this meat packing strike, but they do get

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Speaker 1: workers and pays fines to the unions. And the reason

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Speaker 1: there's like a poster going around being like, well, the

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Speaker 1: rich of class solidarity, why don't you or whatever? You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't always right by boycotting certain businesses. Other businesses boomed,

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Speaker 1: so those businesses started supporting the workers because the class

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Speaker 1: solidarity the bourgeoisie was broken by the anarchists. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 1: workers ready for another strike if the bosses don't comply

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Speaker 1: this coming spring September. This time, though, they're preaching pacifist resistance,

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Speaker 1: a trade agreement. I know it was ratified by the government,

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Speaker 1: and a lieutenant colonel oversaw the whole thing. Well, we

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Speaker 1: could just not do what we promised. That's how we

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Speaker 1: don't know about the whatever. It's all bullshit anyway. And

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Speaker 1: we can just kill all the workers if we want.

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Speaker 1: There's always more, and so they start getting even more

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Speaker 1: the others, including El Tuscano, the Tuscan he's been here

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Speaker 1: Toscano and his crew they stick around and there's still

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Speaker 1: being anarchist bandits. They call themselves the Red Council, and

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Speaker 1: there isn't a way that's I know, I know they're

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Speaker 1: kind of cool. They wear red band armbands as they

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Speaker 1: we can't band it anymore. The strike is over, and

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Speaker 1: vampire and I met him in Tucson in two thousand

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Speaker 1: you can't rule it out. I absolutely cannot rule it out.

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember what number that guy went by.

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Speaker 1: So and so the rest of the union distanced themselves

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Speaker 1: to be total shits about They're like, hey, we're not

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Speaker 1: with you, but we're not like against you, right, that's

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Speaker 1: what they try to do. But a few union members

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Speaker 1: snitch out the bandits, oh no, and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the union, the rest of the union is like, what

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Speaker 1: the Yes, because we don't affiliate with them, doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you can fucking snitch them out. Yeah, And that's the

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Speaker 1: end of the Red Council. They get arrested because they

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Speaker 1: get betrayed by these people who are in the fucking

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Speaker 1: anarchist union. That's so sad. I know, I think they

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Speaker 1: have a higher survival rate than the rest of the workers,

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Speaker 1: because no, everything keeps boiling over all across the region

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Speaker 1: like they're supposedly in peacetime rate, but not really. In

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Speaker 1: one smaller town, a local businessman he fires into the

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Speaker 1: he's tackled and disarmed by the workers, so he fires

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Speaker 1: all of his workers. So all of the other workers

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Speaker 1: will deliver him supplies anything. Right, All of those boycotting

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Speaker 1: quo about it as they decided to general strike. Of

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Speaker 1: course they're going to general strike in response to this,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt. Right. No one was like, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna general strike. His quote about it is

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Speaker 1: we may die of hunger, but so will they. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's an incredibly hard lie. Yeah. Yeah. Shopkeepers have to

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Speaker 1: work their own counters and unload their own ships. More

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Speaker 1: and more federal troops keep rolling in. Everything is waiting

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Speaker 1: on sheep sharing season. They're like, I wonder if the

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Speaker 1: owners are gonna honor their word, Like, is this gonna

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Speaker 1: start of October, it's working a little bit. Some bosses

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Speaker 1: are honoring the agreement. Those that refuse face strikes. This

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Speaker 1: start beating and arresting organizers and strikers because they're cops.

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Speaker 1: Say they do it like it's their job. And I'm like, God, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's their job. Yeah, it all could have gone fine,

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Speaker 1: but once again, the police break the hell out of

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Speaker 1: the thing they always do. They call for a general strike,

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Speaker 1: workers on furl the red and black flag over ranches

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Speaker 1: and they go on horsebacks spreading the word. I think

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Speaker 1: H So, and why exactly the radical government acted like this?

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Speaker 2: So the rectory they're kidnapping people. Then they're just rounding

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Speaker 2: they're leaving signed receipts. They're like, we're not bandits. They're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, And the hostages are treated well and they're

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Speaker 1: The eternal, the eternal general strike demand. I know, however,

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Speaker 2: You know, this is one of those things where it's

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Speaker 2: So like like this stuff is just like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: It just looks like it's a lot totally. And it's

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Speaker 1: This is the largest sympathy strike in Argentinian history, and

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Speaker 1: Virella is back. He's the guy who made this all

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Speaker 2: This is a real decade of people going, oh hey

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Speaker 2: It's a real yeah, a little problem. Yeah, so small

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Then he comes up on one of the

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Speaker 1: They are all robbed. We're gonna keep talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Others are forced to carry the gasoline that would be

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Speaker 1: people who have no homes and go from job to job,

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00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: but they're not like broke, right, so they carry all

425
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: of their wealth with them, So there's actually a lot

426
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: that is being stolen from them, and survivors are also

427
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: being forced to burn their identity papers. One Chilean worker

428
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: who survived wrote about it. All is an anonymous guy

429
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: for some weird reason didn't want to put his name

430
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, I wonder why we didn't fight, because

431
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: that was never our intention. We had resolved to avoid

432
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: any confrontations with the arms and to avoid bloodshed because

433
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: our quarrel wasn't with the soldiers. We wanted to carry

434
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: out simple actions that would prevent the ranchers from finishing

435
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: the season's tasks shearing and branding, so that the scale

436
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: of their losses would frighten them and we would be

437
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: able to secure the release of our imprisoned comrades. But

438
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: we were very mistaken. The ranches had to create our

439
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: total extermination and these orders had to be carried out

440
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: no matter what. And this guy, the guy who wrote that,

441
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: who didn't want his name in it, he actually was

442
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: executed too. He survived being executed. He was shot in

443
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: the elbow, in the chest, and then he played dead.

444
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: He spent a day in a pile of corpses and

445
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: then dragged himself miles come nightfall to caves in the

446
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: hills and bandaged his wounds. The army outlawed all labor unions.

447
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: All workers had to carry special papers to allow them

448
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: to exist in public or to move about on roads

449
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: or get hired. Right, So this is where like the

450
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: literal surfdom stuff comes in.

451
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like they've I mean they've like

452
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 2: this is the like, isn't isn't this literally the system

453
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: that was implemented at the start of apartheid that like

454
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: if you were if you were a black worker, you

455
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: had to like carry this pass around in order to

456
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: go places.

457
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: Probably and these laws. Vrella had no legal authority to

458
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: make laws. Yeah, he's just a he's a lieutenant colonel.

459
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: He's a lieutenant what, he's an army guy. Later, it's

460
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: gonna come up where people are gonna be like, wait,

461
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: you did what? But that's not yet. After this, there's

462
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: two groups of workers still standing, each with about six

463
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: hundred people. One is Antonio Soto's in the farthest southern reaches,

464
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: and the other was led by Fassant Grande Big Knife.

465
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: I think he's closer to the coast. I'm not certain.

466
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: Soto and his group Rated Ranches took men hostage, left

467
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: behind promissory notes for all captured goods and Also he

468
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: like outlawed drinking and it kind of worked, you know.

469
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, what if we're all sober, and

470
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: he would like when they would like raid places, he'd

471
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: set the alcohol fire, which honestly makes a lot of sense.

472
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: If you are running around marauding, you probably should do

473
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: it sober so that you're not doing a bunch of

474
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: real bad stuff. You know. Yeah, it's not a terrible idea. Yeah,

475
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: soon they're alone in the hills. But also it's like

476
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: that had to get passed by a vote because I

477
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: what I know about their command structure is what's about

478
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: to come up or they're voting on shit, So I

479
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: assume that they no drinking anyway. Whatever. Soon they're alone

480
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: in the hills. They have captives, and they have dwindling support.

481
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: Soto wants to stay on the run. He's like, we

482
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: just got to keep doing what we're doing until we win.

483
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: Others are like, man, fuck it, we're all about to

484
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: die anyway, let's just turn and fight. Fuck them, you know. Others,

485
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: most of them, they want to negotiate. They're like, ah,

486
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: it's a virella. It's gonna work, you know, because there's

487
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: no not really a good way to like totally know

488
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: what's happening, you know. Yeah, And so they vote and

489
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: the negotia, the pro negotiation people win, and so they

490
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: send two negotiators who are promptly marched into the river

491
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: and shot. The anarchists vote again, and they vote for surrender.

492
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: Soto says his final piece. He says, I am not

493
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: meet to be thrown to the dogs. If my comrades

494
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: are staying to fight, then I will stay. But my

495
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: comrades don't want to fight. So he and a dozen

496
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: others ride off into the darkness. And he's the last

497
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: connection between the rural striking the worker society. So with

498
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: his departure, so ends the worker society. He also, by

499
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: being the guy who in the end was like fuck this,

500
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm leaving, winds up the only organizer of note who survives.

501
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I mean I guess it makes sense

502
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: given that there's you know, d Army's just decided to

503
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: just st just straight up to an extermination campaign. Yeah,

504
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: and I'll talk about how they pick them now. When

505
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: so the surrendering workers, surrendering workers are about one hundred

506
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: and fifty of them, which I think is probably about

507
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: a third of them. Maybe a quarter of them, or

508
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: just execute on the spot. One is a fifteen year

509
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: old boy who they pick up shortly after, who might

510
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: have been running messages for the strikers. He shouted murderer

511
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: as the firing squad ended his life. A German Man

512
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Otto whose last name is lost to history. He said

513
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: in Spanish, this is not how you kill people. Not

514
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: even in the European War, where I fought for four years,

515
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: did they ever execute unarmed prisoners. Not entirely truth, that's true,

516
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: but fair enough, but it's not a lack.

517
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: But still like Jesus Christ, like yeah, it's like imagine,

518
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: imagine go, yeah, you get through World War One and

519
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah.

520
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: And this is how you fucking go, like God. And

521
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: then his last words were send my regards to the

522
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: old country. Two other German Men or Otto and one

523
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: of two German Men. Before they're executed, they have a

524
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: last wish, and their last wish is that they could

525
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: embrace one last time before dying, because they had traveled

526
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: together their entire lives, and that their death was a

527
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: small price for the fantastic life that they had had together.

528
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: Oh so fuck yeah. Possibly gay German anarchist couple dying

529
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: together in the south of Argentina. I'm glad you lived

530
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: your lives. I'm glad you loved each other, and I'm

531
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: glad I don't know. I believe them when they said

532
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: that this was all worth it, you know. And before

533
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: they were burned or buried, each of the workers was

534
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: robbed one last time by the ruling class, which is

535
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: this really thing of like who was actually the bandits here?

536
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, it's no question. Really, Like it's like,

537
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me? Like, yeah, the sober people,

538
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: the sober people who are leaving promissory notes. Sorry, I

539
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: borrowed your guns, you know. Yeah. However, okay, there's there's

540
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: eight Chileans who escape by being clever as fuck, and

541
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: like songs were sung about them fifty years later. They

542
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: were like, hey, hey, Brella, we know where Antonio Soto is.

543
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Give us horses and we'll go get him and we'll

544
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: drag his ass back here. Fuck that guy. And the

545
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: army is like, oh, we're not very smart. So here's

546
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of horses. Incredible, and the Chilean's ride out

547
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: into the darkness and out of history and into mythology.

548
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: They good for them. I hope, I hope they're just

549
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: like in the mountains having a good time or something. Yeah,

550
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: And the only workers who are spared are the ones

551
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: whose bosses vouch for them as good hard workers in

552
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: the most glowing terms, which is like wild because some

553
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: of the owners aren't even that mad during all of this,

554
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: and so they're kind of in this weird position too.

555
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Some of them, most of them are like fuck, yeah,

556
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: kill all these motherfuckers, right, but some of them are

557
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: like put in this position where they are like begging

558
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to have their workers live spared by the army a

559
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: few weeks later, so there's like one group left. Fassan

560
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Grande big knives and he is a cart driver who

561
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: never went to school. He surrenders to once more. He's

562
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: convinced that Verrella will treat with him because once again

563
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: the army isn't the enemy. Fassan offers Verrella his hand.

564
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: The lieutenant colonel refuses it, and Fasan is robbed and

565
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: taken out back. They steal the sash he uses as

566
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: a belt, and he is shot while trying to hold

567
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: up his pants. He's left half buried and forced to

568
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: watch his comrades executed. By all accounts, Fassan was generous

569
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: and humble. He gave away what little money he had.

570
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: He was always doing favors for everyone. When one of

571
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: his friends was on the run from the law, he

572
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: brought the guy groceries in the hills. Every single day.

573
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: There's like times he gives like literally all of his

574
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: money to random families. And he's just a fucking cart driver,

575
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: you know. And with that final surrender, the strike is over.

576
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: A few stray anarchists are killed over the next month,

577
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: but this isn't where our story ends, you know. Sometimes

578
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: we have to stop in the middle of what we're

579
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: saying because this strange thing interferes with our capacity to speak,

580
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: and our voices change tenor and we start talking about

581
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: ads as if we are possessed in some sort of seance.

582
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: I've experienced this. It is, it's about to happening, feeling

583
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: here it goes and we're back. So wages drop by

584
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: a third as the bosses ignore the agreement they'd signed

585
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: that have been ratified by the National Labor Board. And

586
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: on January first, nineteen twenty two, there's this huge banquet

587
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: thrown by the landowners for their hero down in Patagonia,

588
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: and this is the you know, the sensible radical is

589
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: having this banquet throne for him by all the conservatives.

590
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: The Argentinian owners stood up and they sang the national

591
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: anthem for him, and the British owners, yeah, and the

592
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: British owners stood up and they sang for he's a

593
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: jolly good fellow. How are the Brits?

594
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: Just I every moment in history where the Brits appears

595
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: like they do the exact same thing, the exact thing

596
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: you'd expect them to do, in the most sort of

597
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: like unhingedly violent way possible.

598
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And it's like when I think

599
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: of them invading Ireland, I think, like, well, before any

600
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: of this would have been possible, I imagine them with pith

601
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: helmets and being like radio jolly good as they like,

602
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know whatever. Anyway, so they sing

603
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: this terrible song for him, and then there's a second

604
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: banquet too, and two of the ranchers actually refuse to

605
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: attend it because despite their class interests, they were like

606
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: this murder is bad ad right, well you bird people alive,

607
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a bit much. Yeah, Like that's even

608
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: by like like right, that's not We just wanted to

609
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: be in charge of everyone, not murder everyone. Everyone else

610
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: was fine with it, but at least two people, you know,

611
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: had they drew a line somewhere, and I commend them

612
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: for that. And there's another group of people, another group

613
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: of workers, who've been left out of the story so far,

614
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: and they're not fucking happy about this either. On February seventeenth,

615
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: twenty not twenty twenty two, nineteen twenty two, despite what

616
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: I wrote in my script, because I'm incapable of writing

617
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: dates accurately, which funny, I usually actually write eighteen instead

618
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: of nineteen or twenty, like when I write the modern dates,

619
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: I always this is the side. I'm so used to

620
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: doing shit that happens in the eighteen hundreds, that like

621
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: if something happens, and like, you know, like being like, ah,

622
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I was born in the eighteen eighties. No, I was

623
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: born in the nineteen eighties. No, that's any way the

624
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: point of this. February seventeenth, nineteen twenty two, the soldiers

625
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: show up to a brothel called La Catalana, and they

626
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: are run out by the workers who are wielding beliefs

627
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and they shout murderers, pigs. We don't sleep

628
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: with murderers. And all five of the workers, they had

629
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the workplace, they refuse their services

630
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: to the workers. So the cops come and arrest all

631
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: the sex workers as well as the musicians in the

632
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: brothel literally for not sleeping with people, which is bad.

633
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know you would, you would think, but

634
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: like now, I mean it's cops, right, It's like, yeah,

635
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: neither neither morality nor legality has ever stopped a cop

636
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: from doing anything.

637
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, and like clearly their position on strikers

638
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: has been made plain by the people who had to

639
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: dig their own graves. Eventually, word of the massacre reaches

640
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: the anarchists of Buenos Aires up north, and they are

641
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: of course immediately out in the streets. The syndicalists, like

642
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: they try and stay on the sidelines until they just

643
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: hear the sheer scale of it. There's about fifteen hundred workers,

644
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: mostly rural anarchists, most of them quote unquote Chileans, with

645
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: a few immigrants from Europe among them, and they'd been

646
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: executed by the liberal government that had just abolished the

647
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: death penalty. So even the radical Civic Union Verrilla's own

648
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: party was like, oh, come now, that's a little bit much,

649
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: isn't it. You did what? Yeah? And I mean they

650
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: set them up for this, right, They were like, oh,

651
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: do your duty, wink wink, nudge nudge, and then we're like,

652
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: what you did your duty? How dare you? You know,

653
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't really have any sympathy for the man, but

654
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: that is as best as I can tell what happened.

655
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: He leaves Patagonia hero right, but he gets to Buenos

656
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: Aires and no one will come to greet him from

657
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: his own party or from the city except the fucking

658
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: right wing militia, the Patriotic League, and even they, like,

659
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't think they're there with like flowers and fanfare.

660
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I think that they're like waiting to jump anyone who

661
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: fucks with them. Socialist politicians to cry the massacre. The

662
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: radicals block any investigation and quietly demote Virella to teacher

663
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: at cavalry school. They don't actually demote any stays a

664
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: lieutenant colonel, but like you know, they don't let him

665
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: be in the field day. They gave him a desk job, like.

666
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they gave him like they found they found the

667
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: mildest punishment they could possibly do. That was tech that

668
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: if you like squint properly, is still a punishment totally.

669
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: They were like, how do we get this man out

670
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: of the public eye while we quietly block any investigation

671
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: from happening. One there's that one good radical civic union guy,

672
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: the judge, the progressive judge, Vignats, and he goes back

673
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: down to Patagonia and he has the goal of releasing

674
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: the remaining workers. There's a fuck town of people still

675
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: in prison, right, everyone who didn't get murdered or trick

676
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: the fucking Yeah, it's giving them horses so that they

677
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, yeah, we're totally gonna go get Soto,

678
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: give us your horses. And he goes down there. Vignask

679
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: goes down there and he takes statement after statement of

680
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: the murder and the theft that all of these prisoners

681
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: suffered at the hands of the army. And the statements

682
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: are filed away, and they're soon to be locked up

683
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: by a military dictatorship and they're not gotten for a

684
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: very long time. Those men never see any justice. They are, however, released.

685
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's better to have been robbed successfully than murdered.

686
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: That's what I always say. Yeah, I get the the

687
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: world's tiniest Yay, yeah, totally. I mean I guess that

688
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: is like you know, like when you get mugged, you're like, well,

689
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: that sucked. I guess I'm alive, you know, like, yeah, I.

690
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: Mean, but I feel like it's I feel like it's

691
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: worse when like the state might extremely large number your

692
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: friends have been also killed.

693
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: Wow, that's true. If the state killed half of my

694
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: friends and then robbed me, I wouldn't be like, at

695
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: least I'm not in prison. I'd be like, yeah, my

696
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: life has no meaning but to see the destruction. Well, actually,

697
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: speaking of people who are really upset, we're finally coming

698
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: to our pacifist assassin. Yay, we come to Kurt Gustav Wilkins.

699
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Hurt Wilkins is a German anarchist, a Tolstoyan anarchist, which

700
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: is to say he is a pacifist Christian anarchist, and

701
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: not to bring up anything that's gotten you on trouble

702
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: on the internet, there's this thing where people try to

703
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: pretend like there were no Christian anarchists or religious anarchists

704
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: in history, and so they are always like a tolstoyan anarchist,

705
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: which is true. That means he was a pacifist Christian anarchist,

706
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: which there were a lot of. To be fair, He's

707
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: about to do some really on pacifist shit, so very funny. Yeah. Also,

708
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: I had no comment anyone who does a deep cut

709
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: from back when Twitter was Twitter. Oh god, men were

710
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: men and Twitter was Twitter anyway. Kurt Wilkins was born

711
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty six, the year of the hay Market affair,

712
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: but in Germany, not in Chicago. He wasn't like born

713
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: from the aftermath of the bombing or whatever. Anyway.

714
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: That would have been cool though, if he was just

715
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: a person who was just born at Haymarket while the thing.

716
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: Was going on. Yeah, totally, totally. Just you just listen

717
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: to your just like handed a destiny town. Well, here

718
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: you go. His mom like throws the bomb as soon

719
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: as as soon as Kurt pops out. Hey we're all

720
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: German there, I mean most of them. Anyway, If you

721
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: want to hear more about the Haymarket affair that we're

722
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: talking about, which is the reason we have made, go

723
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: back and listen to the very first episode. Just keep

724
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: scrolling till there's no more scrolling and you will find

725
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: me talking to Robert Evans about the hay market affair.

726
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: Kurt is blonde haired and blue eyed, and he is

727
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: raised in a working class family as a miner in Germany.

728
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: When he's twenty four, he emigrated to the US because

729
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: he didn't have any money, because it sucks being a

730
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: minor anywhere. There's nowhere in history that being a miner

731
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: besides like maybe being the owner of a mine, who

732
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: calls yourself a minor has ever been good. When he's

733
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: twenty four, he emigrates to the United States and he

734
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: becomes a hobo, which is a better job. Unfortunately at

735
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: the time it involves a lot of mining. He also

736
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: becomes an anarchist, pacifist, and a wobbly. Apparently he like

737
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: came a little bit of a Marxist and he showed

738
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: up and was like, oh no, I figured out what's up. Like,

739
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm into Tolstoy, anarchy and the industrial workers of the world.

740
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: So if you had Margaret reference as the industrial workers

741
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: of the world on the cool people bingo card, go

742
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: ahead and mark that square. What about tolls? So I

743
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: feel like Tolstoy gets brought up constantly I know he's

744
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: not a Quaker. It's like a slow shift. The things

745
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: that come up, like no one's died from tuberculosis in

746
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: like weeks on this show. Wow, weird, wow stunning. Yeah,

747
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I guess. And this is the time period where people

748
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: would huh, anyway.

749
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: Well the troops are getting shot, which is just the

750
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: way you don't dive from tuberculosis.

751
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: That is the free space, I think, yeah, one time.

752
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: And so he just works all these different every blue

753
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: collar job this man has. He works at a fish

754
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: canning factory, and he came up with this really cool

755
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: test that I would love to I would never encourage

756
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: anyone to break the law. So he talks to all

757
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: the workers and they start canning all the worst parts

758
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: of the fish as though they are the finest cuts,

759
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: and put them into and then put all the finest

760
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: cuts of fish into all the cheap cans like the

761
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: so that broke people get the good stuff and rich

762
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: people take the gross stuff. But you know that those

763
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: are rich people didn't know the difference. They were like,

764
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: oh nah, yes, you can tell that this fish was

765
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: killed hand filleted by a ceramic knife because of the

766
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: hints of and like motherfucker. That's the guts. I put

767
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: the guts in there. Anyway, he winds up in Arizona

768
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: as a miner, going back to his old job, and

769
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: he winds up getting caught up in something that I'm

770
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: sure will be an episode. But do you ever hear

771
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: about how more than a thousand workers, mostly wobblies, were

772
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: forced into a concentration camp in New Mexico for a while.

773
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: I have vague memories of this, but yeah, I don't

774
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: know anything outside of that sentence. Effectively, I don't know

775
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: a ton more than that about it. I have a

776
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: bunch of books like staring at me at aounch on

777
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: the shelf, and I'm like, whenever I like, do an

778
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: actual just like wobbly focused episode, or like an episode

779
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: maybe more focused on the border because the Industrial Workers

780
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: of the World were or whatever. If you've listened to

781
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: any other episode of this show, you know about the

782
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Industrial Workers of the World. They are a multiracial labor organization.

783
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: So he tries to escape from this concentration camp, which

784
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: is a very natural thing for someone to choose to do.

785
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: He's captured, and he winds up getting escalated up to

786
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: a prisoner of war camp because he's a foreign national,

787
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: right Geese. There he did escape and he escaped and

788
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: he lived free for two years, but he was still

789
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: just a hoboe and he was just like hoboing around working, right,

790
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: Because that's the problem with like being like broken escaping

791
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: from jail. I feel like you're rich and escape from jail.

792
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: I feel like he can kind of just like it's

793
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: easier to like lay low maybe, you know. So he

794
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: gets arrested again and he gets deported back to Germany,

795
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: but he didn't stick around Germany because he liked nature

796
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: and he hated cities. So Hamburg wasn't going to do

797
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: it for him. Yeah, And I mean I think like

798
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: one of the arcs of world histories, everyone who lives

799
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: in Germany being like this sucks and then leaving.

800
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah totally yeah. And he, you know, he obviously gets

801
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: out before everything goes real as shit, but he leaves

802
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: and he's like trying to figure out where to go,

803
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: and he just hears about this like amazing anarchist scene

804
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: in Argentina, and he's like, well, I'm a hobo and

805
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm like anarchy. I'm going fucking Argentina.

806
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: You know, God, nothing ever changes about anarchy. No, no,

807
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean this is how I moved to Amsterdam. I

808
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: was like, I heard a bunch of anarchists would come

809
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: back from Amsterdam telling all these like glorious stories about

810
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: like fighting cops and squatting and shit.

811
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna go there one day.

812
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Much like me. He was arrested immediately when he got

813
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: to our team. I was arrested immediately when I got

814
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: to Amsterdam. I was like less than twenty four hours

815
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: before I was in foreign attention. But no, I was

816
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: released the next day. He spent four months in jail,

817
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and it was because they like had there was like

818
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: newspaper pictures of him from the US right. They were

819
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: like dangerous, scary anarchism. He's a fucking pacifist. The main

820
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: thing he's done at this point is not want to

821
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: be in prison and put fish parts into differently labeled canisters.

822
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: And there was a crime imaginable. Yeah. The other hemisphere

823
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: is like, we got to get this guy. He's the fishmonger. Yeah,

824
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: that's right, beware the fishmonger. And I mean to be fair, well,

825
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. He gets out and he works

826
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: constantly and he goes hungry so that he can send

827
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: money to a comrades who are still in prison. And

828
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: he was a writer too, and he was sending articles

829
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: to two different anarchist papers in Germany, I think one

830
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: in Hamburg and one in Berlin covering what's going on

831
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: in Argentina because we used to have foreign correspondence. I

832
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: guess we actually still do. Hell, there's foreign correspondence school

833
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: Zone Media. So anyway, at some point along the way

834
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: he goes XVX, which is to say he's straight edged vegan,

835
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: which is probably a bunch of labels he would not

836
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: identify with directly because they didn't exist. But he doesn't

837
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: eat meat or drink alcohol. There's a very common thing

838
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: for radicals back in the day. For all of his

839
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: pacifism and theology, he constantly argues against anarchist infighting. He

840
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: defends the violent insurrectionists and the bomb makers, as well

841
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: as the peaceful labor organizers and the mass movement builders

842
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: that I mentioned. I really like him. Yeah, he's just

843
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: like the anti in fighting peace guy. He's fine with

844
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: the people who aren't into peace as long as they're

845
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: on the right side. Anyway, he sees fifteen hundred comrades

846
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: die horribly, and he realizes what he has to do.

847
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: So nine or ten months before he does what he does.

848
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. I mean whatever I called him

849
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: in an assass and people probably figure out what he does.

850
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: He realizes what he has to do, so he stops

851
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: hanging out with his friends. He doesn't want anyone to

852
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: get caught up as his accomplice, so he just like

853
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: ghosts his entire social scene. His friends assume he's gone

854
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: back to the US. That's how completely he's avoiding every wow.

855
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: He goes underground, he's living under another name. To be fair,

856
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: he has like seven names that he goes by. There's

857
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: like newspaper articles about the scary fishmonger. You know. He

858
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: only meets up with other underground anarchists, the expropriators, future

859
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: friends of the Pod, theer a bank robbers that are

860
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: becoming more and more of a thing in Argentina. And

861
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: they help supply him with a gun and a bomb.

862
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: They might have given him the bomb making supplies rather

863
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: than a bomb. Not not certain the details there. So

864
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: it's January nineteen twenty three, it's a year since the massacres,

865
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, I'm ready. I'm going to

866
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: take this guy out. But he's a pacifist, so he

867
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: has to do it well. He was a pacifist, so

868
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: he has to do it real carefully. He every morning

869
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: he like reads the daily paper and on like the

870
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: tram or whatever on his way to go wait outside

871
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: this guy's house, right, oh my god. And every day

872
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: he leaves without doing anything because Verrella always walks out

873
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: escorted by his daughter. And Verrella is like, I'm not

874
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: a murderer. I cannot put her at risk for you know,

875
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: the crimes of her father. Yeah. But on January twenty fifth,

876
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, after a week of waiting, Verrella comes

877
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: out and his daughter's feeling sick, so he escorts her

878
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: back inside, and then he comes out again alone. Kurt

879
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: waits for Verrella to pass by, and then like or

880
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: like we're about about to pass and then like steps

881
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: out in front of him, when all the fucking sudden,

882
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: a little girl crosses the street like into harm's way.

883
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: So Kurt grabs the girl's arm and is like run,

884
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: a car is coming, and she takes off and he

885
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: stands where his body is going to shield the little

886
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: girl from what he's about to do, and he throws

887
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: a bomb at Verrella's feet. They're both hit and they're

888
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: both injured. Both of Kurt's legs are broken, and he

889
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: knows at this point he's not getting away, right, he

890
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: sacrificed that option when he chose to save the girl.

891
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: He pulls out his revolver empties it into Verrella, killing

892
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: him while the officer tried and failed to draw his saber,

893
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: and Kurt limps away, dragging one leg. Two cops rush up.

894
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: He hands them the gun like handle first and says,

895
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: I have avenged my brothers. Oh my god. Yeah. And this,

896
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: this whole bloody struggle in Patagonia now Buenos Aires, actually

897
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: helps cause the division between the government and the military

898
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: that unfortunately leads to military dictatorship. Not Wilkins, but and

899
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: not even necessarily this assassination, but the fact that the

900
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: government doesn't stand behind the army, right.

901
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: Ah.

902
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even when the Verrilla is dead, the government

903
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't honor him, and they wouldn't defend his massacre, and

904
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: they wouldn't promote him hum after he's dead.

905
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: Ah, they've done the absolute bare minimum of the army

906
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: is losing their minds, absolutely losing their minds. Yeah, but

907
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: the gu they're liberals, so whenever possible, they're going to

908
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: stay out of anything they can, right, yep. Even though

909
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: Verilla did almost certainly exactly what the Radical Civic Union

910
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: asked him to do. So curts and jail. Now they

911
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: force him to stand on his two broken legs for

912
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: three hours. Oh, when they ask him who he is,

913
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: his Spanish is passable. He speaks a fuck ton of languages, right,

914
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: and so they're like, who are you and he's like,

915
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'm Kurt whatever.

916
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: And then when they ask him about his crime, suddenly

917
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't know any Spanish. The only Spanish he says

918
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: is over and over again. As a script, he says,

919
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: I was alone, intellectual author, I made the bomb without

920
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: help individual act amazing. Yeah, And most of his letters

921
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: from jail are basically like, yeah, they did surgery on

922
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: me with anesthesia and that sucked, and I'll be on

923
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: crutches forever. Anyway. Here's a really really long list of

924
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: books I once sent to me immediately, most anarchist prisoner, Yeah, yeah,

925
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: prison escape and oh shit, I can't break out of

926
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: prison because my legs are broken, said to books. Yeah, exactly, exactly,

927
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: and also in his letters he writes some of my

928
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: favorite things that anyone's ever written. I'm gonna this is

929
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: something he wrote. He's writing a friend about his upcoming trial.

930
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: He says, quote, let's not speak of revenge. It wasn't revenge.

931
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: I didn't see Vrella as an insignificant officer. No, he

932
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: was everything in Patagonia, judge, jury, and executioner. I aim

933
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: to strike at the naked idol of a criminal system.

934
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: But vengeance is unbecoming of an anarchist. Tomorrow or tomorrow

935
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: does not promise quarrels and crime and lies. It promises life,

936
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: love and science, and we must work to hasten the

937
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: coming of that day. That's really beautiful, I know, Like

938
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: I honestly, I use this a lot. I talk about

939
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: like vengeances on becoming of an anarchist is something that

940
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: I talk about a lot that, Like, anarchists are interested in, well, people,

941
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: everyone's different. Some anarchists do this, some anarchists, some non anarchists, whatever,

942
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: you know. I'm not interested in vengeance. I'm interested in

943
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: solving problems, and sometimes solving problems means uh, physically stopping people. Right. Yeah,

944
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: but the same as I'm not like, oh, I don't

945
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: actually want the billionaires dead, I just want them to

946
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: not be billionaires anymore, like, and if we can come

947
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: up with a better way to do that, I'm fucking

948
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: fine with it, you know. Anyway. Also, the other thing

949
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: he writes in this letter that I love, he talks

950
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: shit on the endless infighting and discourse among the anarchists. Quote,

951
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: we must not act like the enemies of La Protesta,

952
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: which is that mainstream anarchist newspaper, and pick apart everything

953
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: that seems wrong about an action or phrase that seems

954
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: unclear to us. He who goes looking for evil is

955
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: generally incapable of generous thought, Perhaps unconsciously, hate turns supposed

956
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: revolutionaries into enemies of revolution. Only those who fight lies

957
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: can love truth. So yeah, it's a it's a.

958
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: It's I mean, this is this is this is a

959
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: this is a very accurate description of the entire experience

960
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 2: of being on Twitter totally.

961
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: But you're like, what if instead of picking apart everything

962
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: that everyone has ever said and looking for ways that

963
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: they're bad, what if instead we look for ways that

964
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: they're good and encourage them in what they're doing. That

965
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: is good wild yeah concept.

966
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, Like, okay, no, MoMA, I'm not

967
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: going to talk about the incredibly bizarre misreading that somewhat

968
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: did on the thing I did recently, but like, yeah,

969
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: you can just not do this and everyone is happier.

970
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's everyone is more productive and you can

971
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: disagree with people about things and then stay friends with them.

972
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: This is a crazy take.

973
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: I know.

974
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: My friend has been telling me for years, I'm going

975
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: to finally unite the left because they're all going to

976
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: unite in anger at me for trying to stop them

977
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: from infighting. Look, the one thing everyone agrees on is

978
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: fuck Margaret, who's always trying to make us get along.

979
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is, then you you can never

980
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: disappear because the moments that they no longer have you,

981
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: the infighting will comebacks.

982
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: You have to just kind of always be there. Oh god,

983
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: this is sispician task or whenever the yah, oh my god. Okay,

984
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: So Kurt Wilkins doesn't get to write much more than

985
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: those few letters because soon enough, before he's sentenced, a

986
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: far right guy gets a job as a prisoner. Now

987
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: as a prisoner, and that's a different kind of job

988
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: that's easy to get as a prison guard. Oh God,

989
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: specifically for this purpose, comes into his cell at night,

990
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: wakes him up, and shoots him in the chest.

991
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 2: This is this is really the period of anarchists getting

992
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: killed in prison. Isn't it probably feel like this is

993
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: like a bunch of people, this happens to it like

994
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: around this time.

995
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: It wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me. And it was absolutely

996
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. I'm not a conspiracy minded person, but this

997
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: was just like literally some people got together and were like,

998
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: how do we get this guy into this room to

999
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: kill this guy? They got him in the job at

1000
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: the prison, and then when Kurt was transferred, this prison

1001
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: guard transferred also you know, like ooh wow, and we'll

1002
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: talk okay. So after hours in the infirmary, Kurt Gustav Wilkins,

1003
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: my favorite assassin of all time, goes through the door

1004
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: that each of us will one day go. And this

1005
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: is where we get to bring this story full circle. Critica,

1006
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: the most popular daily newspaper in the city, the one

1007
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: that on Rubia ran you know, or helped run Yeah,

1008
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: runs the headline. Wilkins was cravenly attacked today in the

1009
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: Federal prison and La Protesta wants to call for a

1010
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: general strike. Of course they do, but they don't get

1011
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: a chance because someone else makes it happen first, the

1012
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: fucking bakers. Since since the first couple parts of this

1013
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: came out, more than one baker has reached out to

1014
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: me talking about how cool these episodes are because of

1015
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: the history of radical baking. I should get a po

1016
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: box so people can send me bake goods. Anyway, No,

1017
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: I actually wouldn't trust them. Damn it, never mind, Okay, anyway,

1018
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm so sad the day that Kurt Wilkins is attacked.

1019
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: He's not dead yet, raising he's in the infirmary. No

1020
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: pastries are made, no suites offered to the bourgeoisie. The

1021
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: rest of the year, unions run to catch up, even

1022
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: the syndicalists for a nine sign onto the strike. It

1023
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: spreads across the country. Stores won't open their doors. Not

1024
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: on the day that Kurt Wilkins, the avenging Angel the

1025
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: working class, was fucking murdered. So the police lay siege

1026
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: to the Baker's union hall. So for a I think,

1027
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: for I think, the Anarchists for A calls for a

1028
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: demonstration right next to the police lines that sketchy at all,

1029
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: and the cops open fire and the bakers and their

1030
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: supporters shoot right back. In the end, there are three deaths.

1031
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: A baker was shot multiple times, a street vendor was

1032
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: trampled by police forrces, and a cop got shot three

1033
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: times in the belly. But the workers are weary, and

1034
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: one by one the unions call off the strike until

1035
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: only the anarchists remain. Five days later, the anarchists lift

1036
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: the strike too, and there are gatherings for Kurt Wilkins.

1037
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: In Germany and Chile. Christian anarchists published pamphlets with lines

1038
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: that go hard like this, the people sing their song

1039
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: of death and amidst the tears of mothers, Yeah, yeah, no, right,

1040
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: oh my God, and admits the tears of mothers, the

1041
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: illusions of brides, and the portentous yearnings of the young.

1042
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that part means. The world

1043
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: embraces the heart of Jesus and the bomb of Wilkins.

1044
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Hail anarchy. The people embrace the heart of Jesus and

1045
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: the bob of Wilkins. Maybe the greatest line I've ever heard. Yeah,

1046
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: such a twenties anarchist thing, I know. As for the murderer,

1047
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: the murderer, murderer, murderer, you know, to be fair, this

1048
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: is why people are past this. These cycles of violence

1049
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: are motherfuckers. So Perez Milan Meon. Perez Meon is the

1050
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: far assassin who killed Kurt, and he was an archetype

1051
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: that we're all familiar with today from mass shooters. He

1052
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: was the troubled child of a privileged home who was

1053
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: obsessed with guns and collected gun magazines from around the world.

1054
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Speaker 1: He was a devout. Has ever been a like a

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: third type of person? It's like, are we just cursed

1056
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: to have the same type of person doing the same

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: thing on all sides? For every though, I know it's

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01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: the XBX zealot who does the I mean whatever. If

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Speaker 1: I was a right wing person, I'd probably be like,

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Speaker 1: this is the cool guy whatever, But I'm not because

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01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: this guy sucks. He's a devout Catholic. He joined a

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Speaker 1: far right group and signed up to do security, which

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01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: is like, you join a far right group and you

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01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: want to be the security guy. That's like two strikes.

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Speaker 1: You know. He fought in the militias in Patagonia and

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Speaker 1: he had briefly been held hostage by Al Tuscano, one

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Speaker 1: of the anarchist bandits that we talked about earlier, and

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: so he'd been Freerella, so he had some skin in

1069
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: the game, right and so but as soon as he's out,

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I want to be a man in

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: a uniform. I really like authority, you know. So he

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: joins the Coast Guard, which is the only authority uniform

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01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: job that'll have him, and then he gets kicked out

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01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: for being too unhinged. How did you get kicked out

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: of the Coast Guard. It's like, I don't know. I

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01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: used to have this stalker who got kicked out of

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01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: the Navy for being too violent. So anyway, he likes

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01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: to say that not the guy, not my stalker, but

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Speaker 1: presme on. He liked to say that he resigned, but

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: he was absolutely kicked out because there's only one type

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01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: of human, only one type of far right human. Yeah.

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: He also gave a lot of warning signs about what

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01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: he was going to do. Specifically, he kept telling everyone

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Speaker 1: loudly over and over again, I am going to avenge

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Verrella's death. Some higher ups, some higher up force helps

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: his plan, gets him a job in the prisons. He

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: kills Kurt Wilkins, and since it's all a conspiracy, he's

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01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: given a light sentence and sent to a low security

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01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: mental institution. But the thing about the cycle of violence

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: and anarchists both are everywhere. So he's now in this

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01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: low security mental institution and two inmates in the asylum

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: conspire to kill him. Oh my god. One is an

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01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: old Russian I think Belarusian sociologist, an aristocrat who had

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Speaker 1: become an anarchist, moved to Argentina, gave everything he had

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: to the movement, and then during the tragic week, realized

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: he needed to write propaganda against the pogroms, so he

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01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: did a robbery and that's how he ended up in jail, right,

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01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. He's like, actually the guy who kind

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: of started the Argentinian expropriation thing. I think there's another book,

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01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: huh actually also by Octavia, not Octavia, Butler Oswalda called

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: the anarchistics Appropriators that I'm going to do an episode

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Speaker 1: about one other. This guy will come back into our history.

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01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: He's interesting, Hell yeah, but he's old and sick. At

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01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: this point. He's like not doing well in prison in

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01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: the asylum, and he he didn't have access to Perez

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: and he might not have had access to pull the trigger,

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: but he had enough charisma to pull some strings. The

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01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: other inmate is more prominently a lunatic, but a scene

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01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: as like a good lunatic. This it gets all gets

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Speaker 1: air quotes. You know, he's an inmate in the asylum

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01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: health issues, and his name is Lusig. And he's either

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: a little person or has cayphosis, which is what people

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: call a hunchback. I don't know which. I've read both

1114
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: either way. And the aging frail anarchist gets smuggled a

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: gun from the outside and slips it into Lucis's pocket

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01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: because Lusis has more freedom of movement around the asylum

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01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: because everyone trusts him, right, But he's an anarchist too.

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: Well actually there's like arguments in history, but I'm like whatever, whatever,

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01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to just to tell you what he did.

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Speaker 1: You know, he walks up to Perez, he says this

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: is from Wilkins, and then comes up rules yeah, hell yeah,

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01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: And I mean Wilkins probably would have been mad about this,

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01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: to be honest, I probably, but you know whatever, he

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01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: can't make any more decisions. He's dead. So a police

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Speaker 1: investigator unravels the entire plot and arrests the three anarchists

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01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: who smuggled in the gun. Like all five of the

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01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: anarchists involved are found out, but friend of the pod

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Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, comes in a No one talks,

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01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: everyone walks, None of the five anarchists say shit. All

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Speaker 1: potential witnesses are untrustworthy. They're inmates of an asylum. Oh

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: my god. No one is convicted, I think, not even loosing,

1132
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: since he's clearly proved is already unfit to stand trial.

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01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: That's so good, I know. And that's that's what I've got.

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01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: That's the story. After all of this, Argentina does the

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: dictatorship it's more famous for, and the Historian on Earth.

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: All this in the seventies, as VOLDA Beyer. He has

1137
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: to flee the country for writing the book about what

1138
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: I just read to you. So did a bunch of

1139
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: the people who start in the movie about it. I

1140
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: think the governor who let it be filmed was arrested

1141
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: for letting this movie be made. Yes, Oh god, Nationalism

1142
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: is a hell of a drug. Yeah. This is a

1143
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: story that scared the shit out of the right wing

1144
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: of Argentina because for decades the official version was the

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: only version that people knew. The official version was this

1146
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: weird thing where they both put down bandits who are

1147
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: also somehow an invading army from Chile. Oswolda Bayer wasn't

1148
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: allowed to go back until he is out of the

1149
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: country for about eleven until nineteen eighty three when democracy returned,

1150
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: and then he stayed radical right and he was involved

1151
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: in anti colonialism and pro indigenous struggle. And so he

1152
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: has the following. First, he gets declared an illustrious citizen

1153
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: of Buenos Eiras by the mayor, and then fifteen days

1154
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: later the Senate declared him persona non grata for trying

1155
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: to tonite Argentinian and Chile and Patagonia, being like, well,

1156
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: fuck this, Why are any of these things fucking Argentina.

1157
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: That's bullshit. That's incredible. Yeah, that's the story. That's the story.

1158
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: That there's a reason that this podcast exists is because

1159
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: there are so many pieces. There's sixty eight, and there's

1160
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: Don Rubia, and there's Wilkins, and there's Radowitski, and there's

1161
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: so many things, and there's two how many at least

1162
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: two different groups of anarchists literally ride horses into the sunset. Yeah,

1163
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: they get away with murder. Yeah, this is three groups

1164
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: crossing the Chile, never to be heard from his Well, Okay,

1165
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: so Soto actually does come back in history about ten

1166
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: years later. He like shows back up and he opens

1167
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: a hotel and he stays radical. He he doesn't like

1168
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: keep shooting guns and rabbit while he was never really

1169
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: into the gun. So if he was a more of

1170
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: an organizer, he like he's a little bit settled down

1171
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: in his old age, which I don't blame him for,

1172
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: but he like runs a hotel and less radicals meet

1173
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: there and he lives a you know, but yeah, everyone

1174
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: else rides off into this on Saturday times. So yeah, anyway,

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: what I got, Yeah, I mean this is like, this

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: is definitely one of those because I think I think

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: the one of the the thing about the way that.

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: Anarchist history is remembered is that I feel like every

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01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: every few years someone remembers like a third or like

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: a fourth or like a fifth thing that anarchists did.

1181
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 2: And so for a while it was like, well, the

1182
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: only two anarchist things ever were like machn noo in

1183
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: the Spanish of war, and then people were like, wait,

1184
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: there was a thing in Korea. Yeah, and so that

1185
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: was like number three and then and it's it's like

1186
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: every every sort of like every time you put more

1187
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: of the pieces together, it's like wait, no, hold on,

1188
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: these people were like anarchists were the majority of socialists

1189
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: in most of the world for a long time, and

1190
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: obviously they were two a.

1191
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: Bunch of Stuffeah, totally yeah, And everyone's like one not

1192
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: Scotsman in it where they're like, oh, well, those people

1193
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: weren't anarchists. They were just militantly involved in an anarchist

1194
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: run organization run by anarchists, And you're like, how are

1195
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: we defining an anarchists here? Yes, Like do you have

1196
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: to have like is it do we just do we

1197
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: have anarchy cards? Now? Like? No? Is it by like

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01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: number of punk albums you can list? Like what is

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Speaker 1: what is the criteria here? I once asked I once

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: asked Ursula La Gwynn if she was an anarchist and

1201
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,919
Speaker 1: she said no, because I'm not enough of an activist.

1202
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: I haven't done enough. And I was like, can we

1203
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: claim you? And she was like I'd be honored, so

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: so fuck all the gatekeeping, you know, yeah, And I'm

1205
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: like if she doesn't think she could count. I'm like,

1206
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people I would count higher

1207
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: than her, you know, like like like a quarter of

1208
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: them diet of this story, so like you know, yeah,

1209
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: totally all right, Well that's the end of the story

1210
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: that nothing else ever happened. Uh, that's the end of history.

1211
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: But if people want to know about current events, what

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01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: should podcast that you run? Should they? This is the

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: plug transition. It's really long time. Yeah.

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 2: So I do a podcast. It's called could Appen Here.

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: Other people are also doing it, and it.

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01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: Is about to be Spooky Week. Spooky Week coming up.

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this today, it comes out Spooky

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: Week will be the end of this week in the

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: beginning of next week because Halloween's on a Tuesday for

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01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: some reason. But yeah, there will be it will be spooky.

1221
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: I can promise slavery. Uh yeah what that slavery and

1222
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: chocolate is what is what I will promise you from

1223
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: my Spooky Week thing. But I like one of those things.

1224
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: It's not great. It's really I was like, oh, I'm

1225
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna do a lighthearted episode about chocolate that I was

1226
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So there was a slavery perd

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Speaker 1: that I knew about. And then as I was researching it,

1228
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: there was the second slavery part house like I love that.

1229
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 1: You were like, I'm going to do an about candy,

1230
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: but if you dig into the history of fucking anything,

1231
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: just fine depressed misery and yeah yeah, So so now

1232
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: everyone else is gonna experience it, but it's going to

1233
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: be good, I promise, all right, all right, yeah, well,

1234
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: folks should check that out and they should also check

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01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: out on this feed and it could happen. Here's feed.

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Speaker 1: Every Sunday we have book club and it's naturally spooky

1237
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: because I wrote a horror novella and that's what you

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: all are going to hear this. You're going to hear

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: the final part, four of four parts, much like this

1240
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: was four parts. It's just a coincidence. Stopped thinking about

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: everything in terms of numbers. That's what you can listen

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01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: to on Sunday. It's called The Lammel Slaughter of the Lion.

1243
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: And next week we have our own spooky week. But

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01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what it's about yet.

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01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to wait. I've always wanted to do that,

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Speaker 1: sohe what do you got to plug?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Just at cool Zone media on wherever social media still

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01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: exists that.

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Speaker 1: You're willing to look at. Whew you all later. I

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media.

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