1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Presented by Tennessee. 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: One of my favorite versions of Vince Carter is nappy Head. 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Vince Carter us say team, tell us about like that 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 2: just getting on the team, laid and and you know, 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: having something to prove, like I heard you. I think 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: I heard you previously you had something to prove or 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: something you definitely proved it. But nappy Head evince aggressive events. 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: I want to talk about a number when he done. 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of anger. It was a lot 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: going on in that summer prior and then not making 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: you know, it was down the Ray and night we 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: played Ray and them the night that they were choosing 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: the winner, and right before the game is when they 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: chose Ray ended up forty six to night. And it 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: was more so I wanted to show them they were 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: making a mistake more so than it being real. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Nothing is right. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: He just yeah, it was just like that's the one 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: I threw it off the back to miss it, called 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: on the side, adducted. It was that game and I 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: was just but so we got to the summer and 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: I was a late ad and I was just like 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: I got to prove and let them know, you know 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: that I'm worthy, and they didn't make the wrong decisions. 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: They didn't make the wrong decision and got there and 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: I just grew my hair out. And Gary Payton also 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: was like, let's do it. Yeah, And you know, I 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: was already at twenty I was twenty three. I was 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: already been in up here in twenty three, so I 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: had but that was about as far as. 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: I could go. But it was cool. 32 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: It was It was kind of just a stepping outside 33 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: the box and it was a lot of anger. It 34 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: was like, I mean, it was just a lot of 35 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: frustration outside, you know, outside stuff, and that I I 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: got it out Like when I was, I was like, bro, 37 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: every everybody gonna get it. 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: Everybody gonna get it. 39 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: In the way to get it with your brothers, like 40 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: you know, you got KG out there, just this hype 41 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: and just gonna keep you hype. 42 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: That's what you know. 43 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: You got, You got kids, you got GP, Steve Smith, 44 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: you got these guys that's like your brothers and y'all, 45 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: y'all out in another country and it's it's us. 46 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like stract it was, and they made the 47 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: game easy because they you know, you look around, you're like, okay, 48 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: we got shooters with Allen Houston Ray Allen. We got 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 3: enforcers with Zoe and Vin and all this stuff. So 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: we got everything in dice and then we got this athlete. 51 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: So GP is like, every time you somewhat open, I'm 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: throwing it. You know. 53 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I saw that I'm gonna get it. 54 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, you know me, I'm like 55 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: cool Jake, kids like yeah, I want to see what 56 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: you can do. 57 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Cool, iright, throw it. So we playing the US to 58 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: Select Team. 59 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: I was ten for ten ten dump all dumb because 60 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: I I just I mean, they had shooters, you had 61 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: the honor that to me, I'm just running doing whatever, 62 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: and it was just it was easy. And then we 63 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: started playing the games and now they start getting to 64 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: meet matials when they needs they running place for me, 65 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: the guy who was late. But I was never afraid 66 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: to take the big shot. I was never afraid to fail. 67 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Like it ain't no fear. 68 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, did you realize that you had jumped 69 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: over buddy when you did it? 70 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: Like did you really see them after the game? So 71 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: tell me, like going through the game, Oh yeah, you're 72 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: right when pushed you and like the like the reaction, 73 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: you knew you did something because it was like we 74 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: weren't setting the same thing because I ain't know everybody 75 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: else knew. So the play happened. So we get to steal, 76 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: and you know you're playing with all these good players 77 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: like this transition one two. You know already got the mentality. 78 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: I just remember hitting them like that, and then now 79 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: I'm focused on the rim. The rim felt from me 80 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: to that camera. I jumped two feet. Yeah, that's what 81 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: I'm saying. I was like, bro, I'm about to I'm 82 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: about to man make this Spike commercial. They gonna be 83 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: killing me when I get back to the States. I 84 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: mean before it means, but like they're gonna put this 85 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: dunk on the Spirie commercial cause that I used to be 86 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: there get hung and fall down. But all of a sudden, 87 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I jumped high enough and I'm 88 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: focused on the rim. I thought he moved out of way, 89 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: fell down whatever. And when I dunked it, I was like, hell, yeah, 90 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: I made that dunk because I jumped too far and 91 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: I made it. 92 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 93 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: So when you look at it, I don't do it. 94 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm fingertip dunking this dunck it with. 95 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Plenty, I'm like, yeah boy, He's like, yeah boy. 96 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: Nobody said a word the entype from that moment to 97 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: the rest of the game, nobody said nothing, and there 98 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: was a time out. I just remember Steve Smith looking 99 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: at me like he's liked what So I never had 100 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: the chance to ask these guys, bro, why didn't y'all 101 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: say anything? And he was the first person I asked. 102 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: He said, because we we ain't never seen nobody jump 103 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: over seventy foot two of in the game, so I 104 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 3: ain't know. After the game, GP's boy had the little 105 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: new cameras to loose. That's when they went from the 106 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: big joints to the small joint. 107 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: He showed me. 108 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I watched it seven times in 109 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: a row. I was like, I jumped over and so 110 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: they're like, bro, that's what you were celebrating. I said, 111 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: I had no idea, so KG celebrating now, I'm just like, yes, 112 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: I made the dump and almost. 113 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 5: They were celebrating two different things. 114 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 115 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: You leave Toronto and now you're going over there with 116 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: one of my favorite point guards ever, Jason Kidd, like 117 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: another team that I feel like it was one more 118 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: piece away from being a championship contender, Like, how was 119 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: that like? Playing with a point guard like that? Because 120 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: now you playing with arguably the best point guard ever ever. 121 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Best pass that so unfortunate to say. 122 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: I played with Mark Jackson, Steve Nash and J kidd 123 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: is tops of assistantly, you know ever, so top four 124 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: all time, you know, in the. 125 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Cists outside of CP. Yeah, who's now up there. 126 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: I got a chance to play these guys who were 127 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: wizards with the ball, so they gave me new life. 128 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: It was just a different way for me to score, 129 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: like I had the ball in my hand, had to 130 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: create you know, like you said, when T Mac left, 131 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: it was just a little different. He had that other 132 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: start to kind of make things easier. I had to 133 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: go get it, you know. That's fine. Then I learned 134 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: how to be a go to score, to get my 135 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: own shot, which I had in me. But everybody, like 136 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 3: you said earlier, wanted to see just you dunk, you 137 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: dunk and not realize this man actually could play shoot 138 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: the ball and do whatever. So now people go back 139 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: and like, dang, he used to not mid ringe down, man, 140 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: he used to shoot the three. Oh you top six 141 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: all time, man, you know, But I was patient. I 142 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: was like, at some point they'll realize that. 143 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: We move on. 144 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: But get to Jersey and I remember the first thing 145 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: Jay Kids says. It's like, hey, when you kind of open, 146 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw you the live go get it. And 147 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I said, Jaki r J. He said, Oh 148 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: you gotta do is run if you kind of open, 149 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 3: he gonna hit you. First game we played, I'm running 150 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: the right wing, Richard Jefferson run the left wing. He 151 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: throw the ball up. This ball literally sells above the backboard. 152 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the square kind of over the backboard. I 153 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: tried to get it anyway, get my tippet, and it 154 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: goes out of bounds. Jack Kid came by and said, oh, 155 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: don't worry. I wouldn't expect you. I just want to 156 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: see what you're willing to do. How he said, I 157 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: just wanted to throw it near the chalclot this. See 158 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: if you what you're gonna do? Are you how high 159 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: you could jump? So I know whatever. I was like, yeah, 160 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: I'll try it. 161 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: And from then on it was on. 162 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: I mean it used to be foot race like that's 163 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: what that's what RJ was the dog his first year 164 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: is like this just run and so once exactly once 165 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: I called onto that bro. It was just like so 166 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: sometimes like r J was a year ahead of me 167 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: of just understanding, so sometimes I knew I couldn't catch up. 168 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: So I just be like, all right, cool, I'm gonna 169 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: slow down and Trail and Jake Kidd to flip backs 170 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: and all these open Yeah, but off the back board. 171 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: I used to get so many threes off of just 172 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: trail three from him, just he looking at throwing back 173 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: and just it was just a different way of playing basketball. 174 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: So I remember. 175 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: So when I got traded there, the Toronto fans like, man, 176 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: I come here and play like that with us, and 177 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: in the end, because you know, but I love Alvin Williams. 178 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: Alan Williams is not Jason Jas kids make the game 179 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: easier for everyone wherever he's played, and he did that 180 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: for me. So I'm to score on my own. But 181 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: now I just catch and score like the work is done. 182 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: So now it's the easy part. Not just. 183 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about a player. I want 184 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: to ask you about Antoine Jameson. He was like one 185 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: of the worst dudes I had to guard because he was. 186 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: Sir. 187 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: He didn't do the particular jump like his floaters and 188 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: then you look. 189 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Up he got with tim rebound. 190 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: Like he's a unique player that a lot of people 191 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: don't don't really talk about, but he was unique to me, 192 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: and like he made me respect his game. He made 193 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: like I used to shoot on his game, but he 194 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: made me respect his game. 195 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: Because he had he played hard. Bro, Like yeah, and 196 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: then once he that jump shot came with it. He 197 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: was just tough. And he was like that in high 198 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: school the same way. 199 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 4: And that's what That's what I've heard and I've done 200 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: every like thinking about it, like he won them. Dudes, 201 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: if you just watching, you might be like that ship 202 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: that you. 203 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 3: Got, because bro, he literally you know, typically he just 204 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 3: his body this way, but he could still turn show like. 205 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: So crazy defense you filed him by mistake. You don't 206 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: mean I wasn't ready. 207 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: You can't even explain that coach be looking at you 208 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 3: and you like like you just got you. But it's 209 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: like that thing was. 210 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: He's one of them guys that I always you know, y'all, guys, 211 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: I know y'all, y'all real close, and you know a 212 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: lot of guys don't never really mention his name and 213 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: what he's done. He got fifty point games and ship 214 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: like that, like he. 215 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: Your money man too. 216 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: They gave him him big contracts because he was putting 217 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: in in that in that work and. 218 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: Think from just a power forward strictly post up to 219 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: expanding his game. Which that's where that fifty fifty point 220 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: came back to back. I said, that's why you feel it. Okay, 221 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: cool killer, Now you're in Orlando. 222 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: You had your battles with with New Jersey. Now you're 223 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: in Orlando. How was Orlando to see like young Dwight 224 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: Howard and. 225 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna go back real quick. So I'm from Florida. 226 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: So getting the opportunity to play in Orlando was so. 227 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: Now we're eleven years in. I played six Toronto, five 228 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: in Jersey and now I'm here, and so it was 229 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: perfect time. I don't think young Vince could handle all 230 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: the pressures of everything that come with it. 231 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: I got. 232 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: I got traded there. Rod Thorne traded me there that summer. 233 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: So I'm already in Orlando doing the basketball camp. I 234 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: was doing the camp. They called my brother's call and. 235 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: Was like, yo, bro, you hear what happened? 236 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: Like now I'm doing the camp. So you got traded 237 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: to the Magic. I was like, what I done? Left 238 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: the kids in the gym. I'm running out of Oh, 239 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: call them all my homeboys, Like bro, we in Florida, 240 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: now here, we here whatever. It's the craziest thing ever. 241 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: So watch this. That same day we go, two of 242 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: my boys go to dinner celebrate. We're celebrating, like, yeah, boy, 243 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 3: this magic. The ladies like turn to look and she 244 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: said something. But he's like, yeah, you heard the good 245 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: news too. She's like no, no, Michael Michael Jackson just died. 246 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: Oh shit. So that day, same day and yet trade 247 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: that same day. So it was crazy. 248 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, because like we celebrating like we ain't know, 249 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: like we whatever. 250 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: MJ. 251 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: Man, it was crazy. So it was just it was 252 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: just a crazy this moment. But men get to Orlando 253 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: and all the talent, they had just gone to the 254 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: finals the year prior, great opportunity, and I was like, 255 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: we have everything, we need everything. It was like something 256 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: like it's your show. I'm not trying to like let 257 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: me help, let me compliment. You ain't I ain't trying 258 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: to come here adopt. No, it was none of that. 259 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: Lost in six Celtics, let me ask you, the only 260 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: person that kind of can answer this question. 261 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: You played in four different decades, and you played He's 262 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: made you say oldest ship. You know, I'm with it. 263 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I played in four different decades. 264 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: But you'ven't seen how this game didn't change, How the 265 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: rules didn't change, how you had. 266 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: The shock rules you had it on coming. 267 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: Defense has changed ten seconds to eight seconds, like you've 268 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: seen the rules change probably about five six times. 269 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: Like what era it's the best era? 270 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 3: It depends what you want, what you're looking for, because 271 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: if you want more scoring, this is the error. But 272 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: if you want defense in life, if you talk about 273 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: to me, if you talk about guys being able to score, 274 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: think about how tough it was to score your first 275 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: couple years in the league. Card you understand I'm saying, like. 276 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: Luga came in, like it's easy to score here because 277 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 4: that is I just gotta just out and I get 278 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: a foul, or it's just you know, textile man. 279 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: They used to guide you around the court hand check yeah, 280 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: on your hip like nah, you used to like so 281 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: it was just hard. And my only argument to the 282 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: young generation like oh look just just this, I said, okay, cool, 283 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: but think about if you go back and watch just 284 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: watch film of the way Jordan Cole. All these guys 285 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: were scoring back then with the foules that they're calling 286 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: the day that was not a foul. And these are 287 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: people that was averaging twenty eight to thirty plus plus 288 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: with that type of defense, not what it is today. 289 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: And that's why I say it's tougher. It was tougher 290 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: to score, it was tougher to play, and some guys 291 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 3: can adjust to it in today's game. 292 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: A lot of them could. Yeah, lot of them. 293 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: I agree with that whole heartedly. Top seventy five. Did 294 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: you feel like you supposed to have been on that list? 295 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: Because I feel like you were one to enough. I 296 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: feel like you want the guys like I'll be going 297 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: up my all time shooting guard list, and it's not 298 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: many guys that I put in front of you. 299 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: A lot of guys don't really realize, like. 300 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: Man, what you accomplished and what you've ben done in 301 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: this and I feel like you definitely was a big 302 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: candidate for that seventy five. 303 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: Did you feel like you supposed to make that list? 304 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: I was a little disappointed. It hit me like, oh man, 305 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: but you know, I'm a realist. You look at the 306 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: body of work, and you know, some some people and 307 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: that I didn't understand at this point of their career, 308 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: and you know, but I just said what I did 309 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: throughout my career was good enough. 310 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: That's how I look at it. 311 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: I don't I never want to be because I feel 312 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: like if I'm talking about other people on my hater, 313 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 4: so I never want to say, like, oh, that person 314 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 4: on dessert. So that's I just deal with what is. 315 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: I look at it like, I feel like you should 316 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 4: have been on that. I feel like teammates should have 317 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: been there. I feel like the white should have been 318 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: on there. Like I feel like it was a lot 319 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: of guys. They're like, come on, bro, like who did 320 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: the vote? Like what was the parameters of everything? Like 321 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: just from you coming in, you came in as a dunker, 322 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: then you had a twenty one year career, twenty two seasons, 323 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: like come on, bro, like nobody don't do that. And 324 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: at the guard but that stuff like it was a 325 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 4: reserved like Robert Parrish or somebody who was like a 326 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: big man. It was like to play like guards then 327 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: and then for you to come in totally as like 328 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: this one entity and you completely became up. You know 329 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, you accomplished everything, and you know what 330 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: I'm saying from top to bottom, like like come on, dog, like. 331 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this. I'm this is this from 332 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: this is the truth. I feel about a lot of this, 333 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: you know how. You know when people talk about my 334 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: career and I hear people say, man, if he would 335 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: have left the game at fifteen years, he was shooting 336 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: hands down. 337 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, but I can play that. 338 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: I played the game because I could still play seven 339 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: more years to that, and they look at the numbers 340 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: on the back end. But I'm telling the truth when 341 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: I say this, it ain't about the numbers. Early in 342 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: my career, I wanted to prove that I can score 343 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: and I can be the best. Yeah, And I did 344 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: what I needed to do. At the end of the day, 345 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: I'm now I'm proving I can play this game with 346 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: younger guys half my age in my forties and still 347 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: be contribute. And a coach can put you in and 348 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: feel like, oh no, he could eat good. 349 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: He's good. 350 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, I knew playing longer and not 351 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: getting the minutes and the shots and all that my score. 352 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: I didn't care. I don't care. 353 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: But I know if you go back and look, you 354 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: can break it down whatever you want. Go look at 355 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: some of the Go look at man who got look 356 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: at some of the people who got the top look 357 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: at the top players in the world with who leading 358 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: in game winners. Ever, I wait, yeah, I wait. I 359 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: wasn't afraid like all the people that he put in there. 360 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: I was able to do that. 361 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: That's you feel about about you to Like I said, 362 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: I can't put you know, I can't put too many 363 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: people at your position over you, Like. 364 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I meeel like it was like a shot. 365 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: But it's just tell me this like what you're saying it, 366 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 4: because I feel like the twenty two years is a 367 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: that's a different type of bar, like you said, like 368 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: still being able to be impact, because I look at 369 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: like I only got thirteen, but I feel like thirteen 370 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 4: years in I still was able to start NBA games. 371 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: I was able to start NBA games. So I'm looking 372 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: at it like what you're talking about, Like I'm still 373 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 4: like right now, like just what you said, even though no, 374 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: I'm not the killer that I was, Like where I'm 375 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 4: about to go get you twenty or whatever, twenty plus 376 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 4: and kill something. But like I've been able to like 377 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 4: and I made my game and change my game to 378 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: where my coach still believed that I can start and 379 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: be impactful in this league. 380 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 5: Year thirteen, like show me what you don't do? 381 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: You can be the six seven man. But he can 382 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: look down the bench, like I know. 383 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: But the fact that you like, you know what I'm saying, 384 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: you can go Year sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty, and 385 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 4: coach looks at me, and he he feels that I can. 386 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: I can rely on him and depend on him to 387 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 4: come through and be impaced. Everything alone is a ball 388 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 4: to come in as this superstar and throughout most of 389 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 4: your career be this guy. 390 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 5: But then you showed the. 391 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 4: Capacity to say, Okay, I'm gonna change this, I'm gonna 392 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 4: change that, and then I'm gonna be. 393 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 3: This being this like that's way like it's not. It 394 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: was easier for me because I was never way up here. 395 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: For you, you was in the stratosphere. Then you came here. 396 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 3: You can't it didn't like you said, it was hooping, 397 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: It didn't. None of that didn't matter to you. I 398 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 3: was hooping. 399 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 4: So like that shows up and that to me, to me, 400 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 4: that meant more because like when I go talk to 401 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: the teams and the players and do team warners to 402 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: talk to the really transition, I'm like, look, y'all might 403 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: not even know who the hell like you know what 404 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 4: I'm saying, But it's the reason they got me in here, 405 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 4: because it's more of me than the superstars that y'all think, 406 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: y'all gonna be y'all more like me than y'all think. 407 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: Like, it's more of me sitting in this room. Everybody 408 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: can't be Ai, everybody can't be Kobe. 409 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 5: Everybody. It's more of me and you sitting in that 410 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: room than. 411 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: Anything for you. You know what I mean. But no, 412 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: you speaking You use the straight out of high school 413 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: number three. I'm just speaking facts. 414 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: I'm just trying about longevity of careers. And you was 415 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: trying to take a shot you again, but but no, 416 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: you're speaking facts because it's like kids, gotta understand, set 417 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: the goal, set it up, but understand just like you 418 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 3: playing the best of the best is walking to these 419 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: doors now to these teams. 420 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 4: An I say, listen, I don't mean it's about no disrespect. 421 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 4: I don't mean no disrespect, I say, but I'm looking. 422 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 4: I didn't seen most of y'all play. I'm not hating, 423 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: I'm not doing I don't see no, I don't see 424 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 4: now walking. 425 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 5: Y'all need to be listening. And I'm saying that to 426 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: be listening. 427 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: Like because like you know, with the dudes, but like 428 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: they need guys stick around all the time, stick. 429 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: Around a long time. Let's star. What's definitely. 430 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 5: One of my favorite questions on the show. 431 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: You made a lot of bread. 432 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 4: You got fifty from Poomer coming straight out like I know, 433 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: we know you took care of mom. 434 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: Dude, she bought our house. You did that. 435 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: I don't know what vin Sanity did for him, Like 436 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 4: what did you do for you that you look back 437 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: on as we all got them persons where we look 438 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: back as a grown man that like, boy, you was tripping, 439 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: but that ship felt good. 440 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: And I still have a few of those. Boy you 441 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: was tripping sitting in the house too. Okay, so yeah, 442 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 3: so so so what started my foundation was the first 443 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 3: one I know, And it's like, okay, cool, great, but 444 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: I bought a navigator. I still have it to this day. 445 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 3: It's still sitting at the house. Is the tricked out. 446 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: Is it like you got FO twelve sitting. 447 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: There like it's crazy. This was in the season all that. 448 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: Stretch now, like stop playing the cable, you know, literally 449 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: fourth twelves. I got four pipes that stick it. We 450 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: put them and put them literally in the back under 451 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: the the like literally in the center of the backing 452 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: down the block, beating down, tearing up something, you know, 453 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 3: the block. So I still have that, I kind of 454 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: you know, So I came from the gaudy jury ere 455 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: we had the big jer like the big change it. 456 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: I said, man, like I'm talking about we had like 457 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. 458 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 5: Everything, but I social. 459 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: Chain and about long chain. It was hitting right, So 460 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: I look at the change that a couple of god. 461 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: What was that thing? Yeah, I won't put nothing like 462 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: that now. 463 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: You exactly so you were, I said, But I said, 464 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 3: at some point I was gonna come to go to 465 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: something like this. How we used to do it? You 466 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: break all this ice down. You can get about twenty 467 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: thirty different watches out there. 468 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: Did I broke there? 469 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: My biggest piece I broke down into like three different things. 470 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: A smaller necklace, yeah, it was its embracelet. 471 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: Straight up, we. 472 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: Get in the league, and we always we want a nickname, 473 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: we want somebody to call or something something, And you 474 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: got insanity, you got Canada, you got half Man, half Amazing. 475 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: Which one was your favorite? Which one was that one? 476 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: When you heard it was like, man, that's that's me 477 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: all of those time. 478 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: It just it's just the Air Canada thing was Toronto 479 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: because of their half Man came from the dunk contest 480 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: and what vin Sanity came from that too, So it 481 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: was just you walk around. It was one of those 482 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 3: three and I was like you talking to me like 483 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: it was just like you know, because so many people 484 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: said it to me for so long, so I I 485 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: you know, I acknowledged them all. Was I comfortable with 486 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: it all the time? Not so much? So like you, 487 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 3: I was named after the building what what you know? 488 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: That was the airline? Actually, yeah, exactly, and that was 489 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: the Air Canada Center as well, so it's the name, 490 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: but after the airline what you said, like it makes 491 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: it so ild? You know, I didn't really, It's just 492 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 3: like one of those things like I asked the man 493 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: because you even heard, but it's just I accepted it. 494 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 3: It was just it was cool, like I was saying 495 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: it was just I enjoyed hooping and I understand us 496 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 3: to understood what came with all of that. And he's like, bro, 497 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: like you say, what's up having man? I was like, 498 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: what's happening, what's up? Eric Canada? What's happening? 499 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: You know it? Just what's up? Ben Sanity? You know 500 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: now now people just call me Sanity, So it's all good. Man. 501 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: I used to wonder, like, you signed a deal when 502 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: you first got in the league with Puma for fifty 503 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: mil and then you cut that. 504 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that Poma. 505 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: But I used to always wonder like why Nike or 506 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: Selver didn't have the Vince the exclusive the shocks. I 507 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: thought the Shocks was yours? Remember did you do it? 508 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: But the lockoutear happened and so a lot of these 509 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: companies weren't paying us coming out. Yeah, so it was 510 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: not It was like Nike was like, who will sign you, 511 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: but we don't really have nothing. Indeed it we'll sign you, Rebok, 512 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 3: we'll sign you, but we don't have nothing. Puma was 513 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: just getting back to basketball. They're like, nah, you know 514 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 3: you'll have some say so in your shoe. No, but 515 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 3: you just wear this first shoe first and then year 516 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: two you can make the sho who you want. So 517 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: they offered me clearly fifty million as opposed to a 518 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: couple of a couple of million or whatever these other companies. 519 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: So it was a no brainer. Yeah, I wanted to do. 520 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I just left Carolina with brand Jordan getting 521 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: George every year, different colors. So I always wanted to 522 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 3: be Nike. But at the same time, it's about business now, 523 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: like you're your professional will now it's trying to be 524 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: a businessman to understand is it out of business? And 525 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 3: it was a business decision, and it wasn't a bad decision. 526 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: It was kind of I've always you know, going throughout 527 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: my career. You think about shooting my even high school, 528 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 3: I played in the band that wasn't popular as a 529 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: basketball player. You know that's not what you know. Yeah, 530 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: running track, doing on this work girl, that's you know 531 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But down South the band is big. 532 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: Yeah it's a drum line. Yeah, down South, you know, 533 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: being a drum So it was it was just a thing. 534 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: But I was never afraid to walk in the volley 535 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: into the gym and play volleyball like Black Dude played volleyball. 536 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: I did it. I won Player of the year one year. 537 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: You want player the year in volleyball? Man, So I 538 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: walked into the gym and how it started. I walked 539 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: into the gym. You know, you know how it is 540 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: basketball here? You hit something going on in the gym. 541 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: I got. I don't want to see what's going on. 542 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: They having volleyball trials. 543 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: I'm joking with them, like, man, I'm going ahead and 544 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: try to see whatever I made the team I play, 545 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 3: I start, I make. 546 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: All the setups for you. Yeah, I played outside left, 547 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: I made first I made first team. 548 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: And then I want play the year, my junior, my kid, 549 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: my last year, I broke a kid glasses sitting in 550 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: the back road. I only played that one game because 551 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: I like, when you asked me what focusing I focused 552 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: on basketball. 553 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: I played one game. 554 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: I had a white team that they put my number 555 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: on because they didn't have a jersey. Hit the ball 556 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: at the back row and hit the kid in the 557 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: back row. He was still sitting there like this waiting 558 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: for the ball, and hit him, split his glass half. 559 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: All right, we're done, all right, it's not right, all right? 560 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: What are three of your favorite dunks of your career, 561 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: because I know I got a few like the one 562 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: you got out of him, duncan like this. 563 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 5: I go. 564 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: I most talked about obviously the Olympic dunking on Zoe Yeah, 565 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: and one on and Indiana Pacers and model the reverse, 566 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 3: that's the one that's most talked about. 567 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. 568 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: I have a face one though, Like I hate to 569 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: say this because that's my big dog, that's my o G, 570 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: you know, but like it's because he is who he 571 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 4: is and he's done what he's done, you know. 572 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: And it was I was mad at his dunk because 573 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: after he blocked my like he blocked my lay up 574 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: and then he sent me a picture of him blocking 575 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: my layb like thanks for. 576 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: The thousand block. Yeah, he was a moment for him. Killed. 577 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: He said, to put this stuff in you. 578 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: So when you dumped on him, I felt like I 579 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: dunked on him, dumped on him. 580 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 4: So I was I said, hold up, man, that man 581 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: just first he stole the ball, went behind back. Then 582 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 4: he caught that bit and he paused over here while 583 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 4: he went back there. 584 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I'm gonna wait for you. 585 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 5: And then and I said, oh my goodess, here's. 586 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: A backstory to that. 587 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: The first quarter, I go a soft dunk on so 588 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: and I mean it wasn't it wasn't like earth shattering, 589 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: but you know it's this is a typical, just like 590 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: a quick dunk. You know, he tried to block it. 591 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: Boom dump r J. Two or three plays later, boom 592 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: dunk something. So we get the halftime, we're sitting here 593 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 3: talking literally like this close. I say, bro, we're not 594 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: gonna be able to dunk on Zoe again without taking 595 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: a hit, because Joe now gonna attack us and try 596 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: to knock us out the air. I said, the only 597 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: way you'll be able to actually dunk on is take 598 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: the hit, because you know you're gonna hit you and 599 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: possibly thought, literally, that's nobull shit. 600 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: That's what I said. I said, you'll have to take 601 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: the hit, whatever, and that happened. It happened. 602 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 3: That is the exact conversation we had in the locker 603 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: room at halftime. You're gonna have to take the hit. 604 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: Turn your body so you could take the hit here. 605 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: You know he bigger than us, So take the blow 606 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: and hopefully we can still dunk it. 607 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: And that happened. 608 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: He definitely absorbed all the hit and waited for him 609 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 3: because when he hit it, luckily I got up before 610 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 3: he did, so when he actually attacked and hit me, 611 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: he hit me this way. So I got up there 612 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 3: again like the dunk content the rim is right there. 613 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: I was like, bro, don't miss this and through it through. 614 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: I remember running down. D Wade was like that ain't 615 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: right because he can't you know, he can't celebration. He's 616 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 3: like that ain't right. 617 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Bro, Start bench cut, you gotta start one. You gotta 618 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: bench lord cut one, start bench cut, all right, Bro, 619 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: d Wade? AI, Oh my gosh, Reality, Who you start? 620 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 2: Who you bench? Who you cut? 621 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: That's what we're looking for here. 622 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: Whatever you're looking for, We're looking for whatever you're looking for. 623 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: You in Prime way you played against? 624 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: Did I am? Prime? 625 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 3: And Prime and prime Reality start you're trying to get 626 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: you know, I get you? 627 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 2: What trade we gotta cut on? You just gotta trade him. 628 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 2: You gotta you can't use them and you already got to. 629 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: Which would keep? Which one? Trade? I can be handled 630 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: that maybe not. 631 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: I probably keep Ai and Wade whatever. You're good, my man, bro, 632 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: and probably have to trade Ray Ray. 633 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: Hey, tell me this like that hurt coming in hurt 634 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 4: as a you probably even still you probably viewed as 635 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: a dunker for your career, like you the one of 636 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 4: the greatest in game dunkers, if not the greatest. How 637 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 4: much of accomplishment is it for you to be the 638 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: eleventh NBA player to reach sixteen hundred and three pointers, 639 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 4: being that you one labeled that at all, Like you 640 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and you you up on the list. 641 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: Because when people look at the list now to be like, oh, 642 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: you know, because James Harden moved up and obviously with 643 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: the Stephan and all those and they go look at 644 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: the list of when these guys like bro, that's that 645 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: was some of the best exposure ever because like you said, 646 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: they always think of, you know, he could score, but 647 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: they think mid range or whatever or just dunking. Really right, really, 648 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: they start popping up you see like Steph ray Miller 649 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: now hardened. All of a sudden, you see Vince Carter 650 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: and they be like, yeah, wait what I was like, Yeah, 651 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: I was shooting him. Y'all weren't looking for shooting that. Yeah, 652 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 3: y'all weren't looking that. 653 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: That's why I'm playing with you, kid. I played with him, Like, bro, 654 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: how I played twenty five years away. 655 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 5: He had a lot of tips down. 656 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was up there. 657 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: So when I passed J Kid, and I was like, bro, 658 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: Like I passed the all time assist leader who didn't 659 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: shoot like that. 660 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: This is crazy. 661 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: So it meant everything because, like I said, I just 662 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: I was always I just had to be patient. Like 663 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: I knew I had other parts of my game. I 664 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: knew I could shoot the ball. I knew I was 665 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: a scorer. It's just that's not what they wanted to see. 666 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: They wanted to see me dunk every time I go 667 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: for one once. That's why I used to start going 668 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: on once before the fans got there, believe or not. 669 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: That's how it started. It's like getting there early. Get 670 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: much working, yes, but a lot of it because it's. 671 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: Like it's dunk it do the windmill between it. 672 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: Like I just like I'm at my work. I'm working, 673 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm getting prepared for the game. So you know, but 674 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: I worked on my game all the time. You know, 675 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: I wanted to be Scottie Pippen at that time. Smitty Penny. 676 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: Those are guys like that, doctor J. Yeah, those are 677 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: guys that had the all around game that I admired. Yeah, 678 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: I was a Doctor J fan. That was my He's 679 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: my hero, but it was MJ. But I looked at 680 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: how Penny Penny could do a little bit of everything. 681 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 3: Pippy could do a little bit of everything. Those are 682 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: some of the guys. I also looked at him, like, 683 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 3: I want to be able to do that. Yeah I can. 684 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: Duncan was the thing, and that's what I get. That's 685 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: what got me here. I got in the door. Now 686 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: let's find tune needs to stay here. So when I 687 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: became a bench player, they put them on the bench 688 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: in Phoenix, I did play there now. 689 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then got to Dallas. 690 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: I told him, I said, I don't have a I'm 691 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: comfortable with my game, bro, It's just you know, I 692 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: just how do how can I can I still be 693 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: a dominant player in my new role. So I started 694 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: watching Vinny Johnson tapes. Then I started watching Jenobli and 695 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: Jason Terry. Got its like that, who are great six men? 696 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: And how do they prepare it but still be me? 697 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: So I was able to put being a starter or 698 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: go to guy all these years. Now this is my moment. 699 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: Now my game starts when I check in the game 700 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: you know that's my time now. So I just was 701 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 3: able to adjust. But I also knew the next step 702 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: to that is you want to be on the floor 703 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 3: when it counts. And that's what I tell young kids. 704 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, if you don't start, so what m hmm. 705 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes there's a lot of players in this league who 706 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: start that don't finish games. 707 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: J to when we got to don't call your name 708 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: out at the game. 709 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: You start the game sometimes two minutes. If you starting 710 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 3: sitting down in two three minutes, you cool with that? Well, 711 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: would you rather be in the game the last two 712 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: three minutes? And that's how you get paid. Closers get paid, 713 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: finishers get paid. 714 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: I'd rather play the second in the four listens, what 715 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: is your favorite three jerseys of all the team? What's 716 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: your favorite three events called the jerseys? And all the 717 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: teams you played for? That Toronto Raptors, the Raptors one 718 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: for sure, that Penn Strive, Orlando. 719 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: Oh, I guess now we're talking college. I say the Olympic. 720 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: That b it's not like wearing the Olympic jersey. That's special. 721 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah that that seeing it and the crazy thing about it. 722 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: I'm a doctor J fan but I still have a 723 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: high level appreciation for m J. 724 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: I got the word nine right. I was a late 725 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: and the gamber nine. When I was on the USA team, 726 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: I felt myself. 727 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm like bro, I'm you know, so in 728 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: my that Carolina power that had the diamonds going outside. 729 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, sir, it was fine. I ain't allow 730 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: we copied our senior year jerseys out for that. It 731 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: was our colors, but it was North Carolina design. You 732 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: remember that. We want to. 733 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 4: We represented it was our cousin, but it was in 734 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 4: North Carolina design. It was exact North Carolina jersey, just 735 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 4: with our colors. 736 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 737 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: How was it playing for that Memphis squad having z 738 00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: Bo and Conley and you know, t a Ta to 739 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: play with the squad and just see how they GrITT 740 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: and grind just a different version. 741 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: It was like playing back in my first part of 742 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: my career because it's half court basketball. 743 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: It was just the error was and the game was 744 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: changing to be faster, but they still stuck to the 745 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: script and it worked for a while. And then obviously 746 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: when they fired. 747 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: Islands after that, Jager, yeah, jave Yeger. They traded and 748 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: then Fizzdale came in, he changed GrITT and grind. The 749 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 3: mentality was still defensively was the same, but offensively, we 750 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: weren't gonna be half court anymore. We're gonna be pushing 751 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: it shooting the three. So now we're shooting the three 752 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: with Marcosol who ended up being top five that year, 753 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 3: with like Clay's, Steph and Ray and all these like 754 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: it was crazy. Was different, but Zebo started shooting it. 755 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 3: But we just we played faster, and it didn't you know, 756 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 3: and and Mark didn't want to play that way, but 757 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: he was like, this is only we compete. So it's 758 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: just crazy seeing the game changed to where it's faster. 759 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 3: And it wasn't just West Coast is East Coast too, 760 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 3: but Gritton Ground was from front, especially that rivalry with 761 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: the Clippers, you know Zebo and and you know Blake 762 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: and all that. But like coming in, like I remember 763 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: that that first year I was there because I played 764 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: three years there and were playing the Clippers and all 765 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: of a sudden, whooped that trick. 766 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: I was like, man, what is going on here? 767 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 3: Like no, it's really here, like whooped that trick and 768 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: watching like the white folks who were there, who probably 769 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 3: didn't I was like, what happening? 770 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: They knew. 771 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, well no, this is what we 772 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: do here. I was like, yes, sir, let's do it. 773 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: Like I'm like walking into a rivalry Like that was 774 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: crazy because like you know, like whooped that trick, like 775 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: like that's the movie, like you know, but they knew it, 776 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: and it was just crazy crazy, It just it was. 777 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: It was crazy. Ask them guys were great. 778 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 3: To see the fearing some of the guy's places with Zebo, 779 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 3: like it was like playing with Oak again. 780 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: It really was. 781 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: But he's Zebo, so respected and just to see how 782 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 3: easy the game was to him, and like. 783 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: The thing about it they see, they see that. But 784 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: Zebo ain't a bo bully. He will be bully. He 785 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: don't get into nothing. He's just out there playing. But 786 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 2: you'd actually be talking and he. 787 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: Said, he just don't play the boy. 788 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's the same way. 789 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: You know that the same way. 790 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a little more little chip together Chicago 791 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 3: wout going with. But my thing is like it's like 792 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: he started out, he like, I ain't on it. I'm 793 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: just trying to lock you up. You ain't scoring, and 794 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: then you get into anything else. 795 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: It's yeah, and it turned like that like that. 796 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: That's just out of all the teams you've played for, 797 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: you could pick four players from the teams that you 798 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 2: played for outside outside the USA team, like just to 799 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: the NBA team. If you can pick four other players 800 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 2: from any of them teams to play with you, who 801 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 2: would beat them? Four players twenty two years. I know 802 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: you had a lot of teammates. That's a lot. 803 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: I hold the record for that. 804 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 5: I don't think we have to have nobody with this 805 00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 5: much time to be asked it. 806 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: Dirt, dirt, dirt, the White Orlando d White four, give 807 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 3: me T Mac, t mac and the point got tough, 808 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: bro either J Kidd or Steve Nash m hmm. 809 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: Play with the moment. So I'll say, kid, you dirt 810 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: hell of a five. 811 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 4: That's some chipples right there, Crazy, that's definitely chipples right 812 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 4: there at five is hard. 813 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: All right, man, that's a wrap. Man. 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