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Speaker 1: Oh no, we got so Lucky because they're just the best.

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Speaker 1: talking about it, but every time we would like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've been fostering these two kittens and we know their

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Speaker 1: They were so like little and now it's like, oh, oh,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: They're like they used to like.

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Speaker 1: Crawl into boxes, which was so cute. Now they're like

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Speaker 1: like a little more. Yeah, but they're great.

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Speaker 4: Are they indoor outdoor cats or just now keeping them indoor?

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Speaker 4: You know, we have a we have a yard, but

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Speaker 6: anything you care about don't leave on any counters. Cats

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Speaker 6: has secret pets?

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Speaker 4: You Yeah, name was lived at your house. So now

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Speaker 5: Just any other any other secrets.

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Speaker 4: Yet not yet get into I'm ready.

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Speaker 6: To right, not that you're ready to, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Now did they come with Lucky and pickle or did

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Speaker 1: She became pickles for some reason, miss pickles and pickles

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Speaker 1: It's just it's so nice to have like kittens that

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Speaker 4: But then when did you have a dog? I had

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Speaker 4: a dog at Bernie's Mountain Dog, Georgia. You never met Georgia.

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Speaker 5: You were a dog person?

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Speaker 6: And so after you have after you have children and

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Speaker 5: Much more like am I ready to take on a dog?

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Speaker 6: Whereas like cats still give you the love and affection

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Speaker 2: Like that, we were just roommates who like would meet

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Speaker 6: So very very affectionate. And he also will yes, he

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Speaker 6: Also when we have people over, he can hear like.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna I will mollel you anyway.

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Speaker 6: I love cats. Well, congratulations on Lucky and Pickles. I

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Speaker 6: next time I'm over there. Loving Welcome to pod meets World.

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Speaker 6: I'm Daniel Fischl, I'm right or strong, and I'm mister Pickles.

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Speaker 6: I'm well for doubt you Commonly hear phrases like it's

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Speaker 5: And if you take away one thing from.

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Speaker 6: This podcast, it's that some child stars knew absolutely no

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Speaker 6: and with today's guest, we hope you'll take away that

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Speaker 5: John D.

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Speaker 6: Beck was a production assistant on Boy Meets World, a

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Speaker 6: crucial part of making a TV show, Often underestimated as

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Speaker 6: working on according to Jim Fuller, House Side Hustle, That Girl, Leyley,

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Speaker 6: On boy meets world. Welcome to the show, John D.

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Speaker 6: Beck H, It's so good.

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Speaker 3: To see you. Fantastic to see you, guys.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, okay, well, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to.

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Speaker 6: Ask, how much cuckaroo do you think you picked up

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Speaker 3: Do you have no idea how much cuckaroo? And as

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Speaker 5: It was a it was a chicken restaurant.

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Speaker 3: there's always a room for the Cuckaroo. And soup plantation

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Speaker 3: Hearing Steve Lamar Okay Laar, Yeah, who I was like, Well,

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Speaker 3: I may be dating myself here, but do you remember

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Speaker 6: I just want to know about the relationship with you

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Speaker 3: that you kind of have to focus on. There's your

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00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 3: job and there's your career, both equally important. Because your

444
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: job might be a PA on Boy Meets World where

445
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: you're working sixteen hours a day and doing everything you

446
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: could possibly do, and that's how you're making your money,

447
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: so you can hear and survive. But you've got to

448
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 3: put in the same amount of time and effort in

449
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: your career or else you're just always going to be

450
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 3: your job.

451
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 7: So the thing I would get together with.

452
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 3: My writing partner who and work for a couple of

453
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 3: hours and on the weekends cranking stuff out and just

454
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 3: spending an equal time on both because you know, you, guys,

455
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure have heard all over and over and over

456
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: that this business is all about being in the right

457
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: place at the right time. I say it a different way.

458
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 3: It's about being prepared to take advantage of an opportunity

459
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: once that opportunity presents itself, and if you haven't done

460
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: the work to take advantage of that opportunity by then,

461
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: that opportunity goes away. You know, if you finally have

462
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 3: someone say okay, yeah, i'd love to you want to

463
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: be a writer? What have you read? What? What have

464
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: you written? What can I read? And you want to

465
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 3: be able to say, oh, here you go, Oh, while

466
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: I'm working on something that I should be ready like

467
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: two months or so, can I get back to that,

468
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: because at that point you've blown the moment. So, especially

469
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: when you're first starting out, it's it's incredibly difficult to

470
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: still be doing this stuff on top of the career stuff,

471
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: on top of the job stuff.

472
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you said that the writers were all really

473
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Speaker 6: good about reading things. What was the first spec script

474
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 6: you ever wrote? And then who did you give it

475
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 6: to to read and what was the feedback The.

476
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Speaker 3: First spec script that my writing partner Ron and I wrote,

477
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: who I'm still ready with today. We wrote a news

478
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: radio spec.

479
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 4: Such one of my favorite shows of all time.

480
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: It was one of those shows that if you remember,

481
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 3: you remember it ridiculously fondly.

482
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Speaker 4: Yep.

483
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 7: So we wrote that and it was.

484
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: I think at the time, I did the thing you're

485
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: not supposed to do and was like sliding scenes under

486
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: the door for it was even a completely written script.

487
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 3: To the other writers who were like, oh wait, what

488
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 3: is this. Is this something we're supposed to be doing,

489
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, no, it was just something I was

490
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 3: wondering if you would kind of reading and seeing if

491
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: I was on the right track, and they're like, oh yeah, okay.

492
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: Like Jeff Manel was like, oh this is great. I'm

493
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: gonna put a big tea here because that's when you

494
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: teed up the story and that's how I mark up

495
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 3: my scripts.

496
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 7: Pictures on your scripts.

497
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 4: That that's so cute.

498
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 5: That sounds like Manel exactly.

499
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: And then that that specscript ended up being the script

500
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: that we that Ron and I submitted to the Warner

501
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: Brothers writing program back when that was the thing, and

502
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: that that got us kind of looked at as more

503
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: than just people who were trying to become writers. We

504
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: were writers who hadn't been hired yet.

505
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Speaker 5: Wow.

506
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 7: Wow, Yeah, that's.

507
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: How we got representation and it just kind of went

508
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: from there. And it still took us three years after

509
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: that before we finally ended up. We were doing kind

510
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 3: of freelance side gigs while we were still working our

511
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: jobs instead of our career, and then it took us

512
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: three four years after that, which seemed like an insurmountable

513
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: amount of time. Then now it's like, wow, it's it's double,

514
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: if not triple, that amount of time for most people

515
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: to break in now because it's yes, it's just harder.

516
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: Had you heard of Boy Meets World before you were

517
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 4: on the show, and what did you think of it?

518
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 7: I had not heard of boy Meets World.

519
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: I got the interview, like uh, and it was a

520
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: Friday thing and I had a younger brother. I'm like,

521
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 3: you know the show boy meets Girl. He's like, it's

522
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: Boye's world about it? My uh, I think thirteen or

523
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: fourteen at the time, Like fill me in on everything

524
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: so I know what's going on.

525
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 7: So that's how he did my research.

526
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 5: And were you just there one season? How long did

527
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: you stay with us?

528
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 7: Just there one season? And I was there for season three.

529
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: At the time, I had it in my head because

530
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: I knew Hollywood was all about kind of building relationships.

531
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 3: I thought I was like, Okay, don't stay any place

532
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: more than one year while you're an assistant, because then

533
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: you'll meet more people. I don't know if that was

534
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: the way which I jumped from that over to. And

535
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: I always tried to move move to a different show,

536
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: but move up the ladder one rock. Sure, So I

537
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: hopped over from Boy Meets World. I was there. I

538
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 3: went to Ellen for a month and then got as

539
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: a writer's PA, and then I jumped onto a show

540
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: called Unhappily Ever After for a year as a writer's assistant.

541
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: With Nicki, with Nicki Cox and yeah another good show.

542
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah Bobcat Golf Wade and yeah.

543
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you come for Niki Cox, just stay for

544
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 7: the talking Rabbit.

545
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: It's true.

546
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: Nicki was my first girlfriend in Los Angeles when I

547
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: moved out first season of Boy Meets Roll. I think

548
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: we were both like sixteen.

549
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: He was red ridiculously sweet, and I can understand.

550
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: She was ridiculously sweet.

551
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was ridiculously sweet.

552
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: Then I jumped over to a show called Grace under

553
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: Fire and then jumped Damon and finally ended up on

554
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: a show called The Huge LEAs, which is where Ron

555
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: and I finally got stabbed for the first time.

556
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: Oh wow, were you there?

557
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, were you there a Grace Underfire

558
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: when all the stuff went down?

559
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 7: When didn't stuff go down?

560
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

561
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah it was I was there for the stuff at

562
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: the end, you were okay.

563
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: Fun fat. Technically I was the final executive producer of

564
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: Grace utter Fire really, because Grace had fired. Everybody then realized,

565
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: oh there's nobody left. So She's like, oh, what up

566
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: do Yeah? What about what about this guy?

567
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 7: He could be the executive producer. I'm like, I'm the

568
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 7: guy typing at the keyboard.

569
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that. No, No, he the executive producer.

570
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: So there was like six writers left at that point,

571
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: and he sitting in a room with nothing to do

572
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 3: because we knew we were all about to, like the

573
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 3: show was about to go away, and the the I

574
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: think it was a guy by the name of Mark Leagan,

575
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: and Mark uh looked over me as like, so, executive producer,

576
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: can we go to lunch?

577
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, cugaroo, go pick us up. Yeah, pick

578
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: us up, I get to send somebody.

579
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's unbelievable.

580
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 4: I don't know any of the drama.

581
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: It was just network notes that were just pushing back.

582
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: RCI Werner had a habit of this is back when

583
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: sitcoms were still king, and they had huge, huge, huge

584
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: hits with Bill Cosby and Roseanne and your name is

585
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: a Civil Shepherd, and they just kept finding mostly stand

586
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: up comedians to build shows around. But many times, at

587
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: least in that era, you you would build a show

588
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: around the standard comedian who was used to doing things

589
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: themselves on their own, so having a team of people

590
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 3: around it's tough, was difficult for them, and it there

591
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: were a lot of fireworks.

592
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: We'll say, you are being so so wonderfully diplomatic, diplomatic.

593
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: Well, our set wasn't like that at all, wasn't We

594
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: had no drama.

595
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned something that I thought was worth pointing out,

596
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: like the fact that you guys didn't know like how

597
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: the rest of everything was working is a credit to

598
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: how well produced and boy these world was and.

599
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 7: How well scare of you were. Yes, as a producer of.

600
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: I mean I've been on everything from network to streamers

601
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: to kids TV, you name it, and I've worked all

602
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: exclusively in multicam, which is not something most people can

603
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: say these days, but especially with kids. From where I'm standing,

604
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: the number one job you have, like I always say,

605
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a ad first, a producer second. So

606
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: making sure that especially your kid actors are protected taken

607
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: care of and I'll just be kids and listen. No,

608
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: it's a job, but it should be fun. This is

609
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: the glorified a drama club, you know, where you're just

610
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: getting to do all kinds of fun things because you

611
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: guys are pulled in like six hundred different directions, not

612
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: just in the production of the show, but also promotions

613
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: and appearances and you and it can be a lot,

614
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: especially on shows where they allow they're behind the camera

615
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: drama to the camera and for kid actors to kind

616
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: of deal with that and that to be that's not fair.

617
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: And I'm glad to hear that you guys there going

618
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: on behind the cameras anyway, so a sign of a

619
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: well run machine. But I'm glad to hear that you

620
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: guys have such posive experiences from it, because yeah.

621
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 6: We have given that credit now many times that it

622
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 6: was so it was so we were so protected in

623
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: the best ways.

624
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: It's funny that now as adults were like, oh.

625
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 6: Man, we had absolutely no idea any of that was

626
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 6: going on, And you're exactly right.

627
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 5: It is a it's it was.

628
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 6: It was a nice way of our teachers and the

629
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 6: adults in the production office, Karen McCain and and all

630
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 6: the people who didn't let us know anything was going on.

631
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: We were we were well insulated.

632
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 6: And that that is that is the best I want

633
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 6: to talk about when you would deliver the scripts again,

634
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 6: because to us, we just can't even believe, like we

635
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 6: remember it so well. We remember, you know, waking up

636
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 6: in the scripts, being outside the door, or if it

637
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 6: was if we were still awake getting the scripts, they'd

638
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 6: sometimes be in plastic if it were raining outside because

639
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 6: they were just you know, left on our porch. Was

640
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 6: it only one pa doing the deliveries at night or

641
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 6: would a couple.

642
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 5: Of you do it?

643
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: And there's always one person who had the super late

644
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: although at the time it was Betsy Randall lived down

645
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: in Ohi or something, and she was the.

646
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 5: One who here was it Bill Daniels in Monacito.

647
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Bill was not in Monasito season.

648
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: He had a valley, a valley place. He always had

649
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: a house in the valley.

650
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I think it was Betsy was in Topanga Canyon, right

651
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: or no, she wasn't.

652
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 4: O High was the way in High.

653
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: They didn't want to pay us for the hour, like

654
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: whatever whatever rate it was. It was cheaper for them

655
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: to pay for the facts than to have us drive

656
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: out there.

657
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: Facts.

658
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 5: I remember, you would facts her script.

659
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: You would get. Yeah, I sound like an old man

660
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: now anytime I bring up these things, but.

661
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: That's yeah.

662
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: It was magic to us because he would just open

663
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: your door and there the script would be. Now to

664
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: make it hopefully make you feel better about all the

665
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 2: deliveris you did? I still have all my scripts, he does, so,

666
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Speaker 2: so that's it. What they did not go to waste.

667
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: Just so you know I've still got him.

668
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 6: He's We've signed them and given them away at some

669
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 6: of our live shows to our dear listeners, so they

670
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Speaker 6: your work is still out there in the.

671
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: World, finalest work.

672
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Speaker 2: Yes, Would you take the time because you want to

673
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: be a writer at the time and you know that's

674
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: your career. Would you read all the scripts as they

675
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: were you were either you know, photocopying them or delivering

676
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: them I mean, would you take the time to read

677
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: the scripts and see the changes they made.

678
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 4: Or was it like, I don't ever want to look

679
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: at this anymore.

680
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I read every script that came out.

681
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: You get a chance to talk to her. I was like, Oh,

682
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: I noticed this one changed. Why did that change? That

683
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: seem to work? Like, oh the network felt that it

684
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: was made this character to mean or didn't they needed

685
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: to show up the relate So kind of learning the

686
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Notes process and realizing that this is a very collaborative medium,

687
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: especially in world and sometimes you try stuff and see

688
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: if it works, and if it doesn't, you can always

689
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: kind of change it to something else and realize that, oh,

690
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: these changes aren't necessarily it's not necessarily saying that you

691
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: were wrong or did something bad.

692
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 7: It's like, oh, we just want to try something else.

693
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: We want to try to shade at this direction or

694
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: this is the objective that we have now. And realizing

695
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: that the notes process and including the studio and the

696
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: network in that process is huge because at the time

697
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: I didn't realize, oh, the studio the network kind of

698
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: owned everything and you're really just there to kind of

699
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: have a vision and then try to weave everything all

700
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: into one cohesive thing and then hope you get you know,

701
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: multiple seasons to do that and to build a vamily.

702
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 6: Do you remember any specific weird requests you got or

703
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 6: strange and how many packs of cigarettes were you sent

704
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 6: out to purchase for Will?

705
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: I always I was a responsible kid. I always bought

706
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: my own smoke.

707
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, legal, Any weird request, Well, there's constant Kunkuru, which.

708
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: Was one that's a little weird.

709
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: You're the first twenty seven times, but the next twenty

710
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: five times. And I got no particular weird request. But

711
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: I remember there was a time when I got a

712
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: traffic like. I got a ticket for turning left somewhere

713
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't supposed to left and got pulled over. And

714
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: Jeff Sherman, one of the writers, like oh, because I

715
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: was picking up something for him and his managers or ages.

716
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, I feel terrible. And he didn't

717
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 3: offer to pay the ticket, but he's like, I got

718
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: a guy. I'm like, oh, I always love anytime somebody

719
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: storts his sense. When I got say, I'm going to

720
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: love yeah, And he's like, I got a guy, You're

721
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: gonna go do traffic school with him, except you're not

722
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: really going to do traffic school with him. To go

723
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: to this address talk to Nico Nicoll be there. Nico

724
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, But say you're talking to Nico and then

725
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: you're gonna pay whatever it is and you want to

726
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: have to go to traffic school when you would credit

727
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: for it. So that was pretty neat. When you're twenty

728
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: one years old, you're like, like, what is the shady

729
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: d I got going on here?

730
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure with the weird traffic school hookup?

731
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: Like what, Jess love that story.

732
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

733
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 6: What's the kind of adult I hope to be the

734
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 6: one with the guys who's.

735
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 5: Not really a guy and it's it's a little shady,

736
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 5: but you'll get it done.

737
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: I love that.

738
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, Mady, farther than you've ever been

739
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: a man.

740
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 5: Ask for Nico, but Nico doesn't exist. I love it.

741
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: I have a question for you as somebody, because you

742
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: mentioned before that you have almost exclusively spent your career

743
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: in multicam. Yes, which is pretty amazing, and it's also

744
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: my favorite thing in the world and always has been.

745
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: It's the it's showbiz.

746
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: Is it going away?

747
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: People have said multicams are going away for decades at

748
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: this point, Right, what I did once I finally got

749
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: on staff as a writer. I was on staff on

750
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: a show called The Hugeles for four seasons. It was

751
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: a two different networks, four different nights, ninety episodes, the

752
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: longest longest running show nobody has ever heard of.

753
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 4: I Love Who Hysterical So.

754
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: You just finally came back. It just it's just dropped

755
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: on Netflix in this past August, so people are rediscovering it,

756
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: which is cool. After The Hugles, I jumped over to

757
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: a show called according to Gym, which it was Seasons.

758
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: And the great thing about that is we were gainfully

759
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: employed as writers for twelve straight seasons. When wow, like

760
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: when I first started on Boy Mets World, and this

761
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: is comedies in general, multi cam n single came there

762
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: were ninety comedies on just network television.

763
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 7: By the time, according to Gym ended, there were nine.

764
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: Oh wow, we got canceled so by like literally by

765
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: the end of the season, there were six comedies on

766
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: network television.

767
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 4: Right, I'm sorry, this is this is what the early

768
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 4: two thousands, this is reality. This is a reality TV

769
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: just came in, right, Yeah, the first strike.

770
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 7: After that ron they looked around.

771
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: It was like, oh shit, we shoop, we love doing

772
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: I love doing multicams, Like who's still doing these? And

773
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: looked around like, oh this, they're actually doing multicam TVs

774
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: over on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon. Let's go sniff around

775
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: over there. So they're still doing them there. And there's

776
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: a whole generation of as you well know from Girl

777
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: Mets World, there's a whole generation of former kids now

778
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: adults who are suddenly hitting the demo, the age demographic

779
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: who are used to watching their comedies their half hours

780
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 3: in multicam format because they wrop on hand in Montana,

781
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: Shake It Up Live in Mattie, Girl Meets World, and

782
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: now they're suddenly in the uh in the demographic. And

783
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: if you notice, there are more multicams on network primetime

784
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: now than there have been in years. I think part

785
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 3: of that is because they're significantly cheaper. You get to

786
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: try out stuff multiple times before you lock in on

787
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: it with single cams, and I love single cam shows

788
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: as well, but you have to know exactly what is

789
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: going to work and what is not going to work

790
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: before you shoot it, and then hope what you want

791
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: and then or hope you can fix it and post

792
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: and I don't know. There's just something about that magic

793
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: of being up in front of an audience that I

794
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: always love with a multiicam, and it feels more like

795
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: it's part of your family, like they're kind of there

796
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: that single cams like, oh, I'm watching a tiny movie

797
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: about people on TV. With multicams, it's like, oh, you're

798
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: you're watching a live play every week.

799
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: And you're yeah, you're in the house. It feels like

800
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 4: you're there in the house. So that's really interesting.

801
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: I've never thought about it that way, and we've kind

802
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: of said a version of that, but I never thought

803
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: about the fact that it's multiicam liveness actually makes it

804
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: even though it's more presentational, it makes it feel more

805
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: in person.

806
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: That's super interesting.

807
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: More in person, and it feels like it feels like

808
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: someone you can know instead of someone you can experience

809
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: on TV. It's it's a different feel to it that

810
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: I feel like you your audience is more invested because

811
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: of that.

812
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, especially younger audiences.

813
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 6: So something we haven't talked about on the show before,

814
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 6: but that I wanted to ask you, do you remember

815
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 6: when the entire cast and crew was on lockdown at

816
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 6: KTLA because there was a shooter on the roof.

817
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: Was my first day of whoa welcome shoh my gosh, okay,

818
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: please tell us your first day of work story. The

819
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: first run over to Michael Jacob's off is when I

820
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: realized I think they hearrd the wrong person. Second time

821
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: I go over and I get a call saying, yeah,

822
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: don't don't bother coming back, and I thought for sure

823
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: we figured it out. I'm then they figured who the

824
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: other guy is gonna be actually want to hire, and

825
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: then they're like, there's a sniper on the top of

826
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: the Metropolitan Hotel, so you can go home. So I

827
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: was done by two o'clock that first day. I'm like,

828
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: this has been a very uh.

829
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Speaker 4: Strange Oh wow, I don't remember this at all. I

830
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: don't remember this at all either. We've talked about this

831
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: a number of times. Yeah, were we part of the lockdown?

832
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 6: Do you remember so, John, when you're your first day,

833
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 6: was it the first day of one of our weeks?

834
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Speaker 6: Like was it a Friday? And then you're was this

835
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Speaker 6: was the lockdown on a Monday? I'm trying to figure

836
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Speaker 6: out if it was the start of an episode or

837
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Speaker 6: were you in the middle of the week, because I'm

838
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Speaker 6: trying to really like, where would we have been at

839
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 6: two pm?

840
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: If I remember right, it was one of the four

841
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: days before, because Friday was table Reday.

842
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: Yes, four days.

843
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: And if again, going back many, many, many many decades here,

844
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Speaker 3: if I recall correctly, you were there Danielle banking school

845
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: hours before because she's very studious.

846
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 5: Very studious. I was very studious.

847
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know who the rest of the cast

848
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 3: was there.

849
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so you might have just been having a school

850
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: day to bank hours for the next week when we

851
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: were on hiatus or something.

852
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: But during hiatus weeks, I always I would.

853
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 6: Have always, I would have gone back to my regular school.

854
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 6: And if it were yeah, So I don't know.

855
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean I have either. The funny thing is I

856
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: have a vague.

857
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 6: Very vague recollection of it. But there was a lot

858
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 6: of action when we were at KTLA.

859
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, because of where we were. Well, that was the

860
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: same day that rider. Ironically, you were on the roof

861
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: of the Metropolitan.

862
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: You told me, you told me that remember that that day.

863
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: It was rightful Monday. We kind of snapped, right.

864
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: I knew that half of it. I'm trying to remember

865
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 5: the other part of it, you know, the terror.

866
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 7: No.

867
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: I just remember when we first went to KTLA because

868
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, which strip club should we go

869
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: to for lunch?

870
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 4: Because it was like it was such a different We

871
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: went through the Disney.

872
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like literally the squirrels would come up to you

873
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: and like feed you grapes themselves to k t l

874
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: A where it was like, hey, wow, I got heppatitis.

875
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: So it was.

876
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 5: Where the old spaghetti factory was.

877
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, the old spaghetti factory.

878
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: Factory that out in front had daytime hookers.

879
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 6: Yes, not to be confused with night time hookers.

880
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 8: If the.

881
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: Afternoon, yeah, if you're working the day shift. Yikes.

882
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 6: Okay, So you mentioned run throughs.

883
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 5: Were you ever did you get to be on set

884
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 5: for run throughs? Did you get to watch them?

885
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: Not?

886
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: They wanted people down there for the the reaction.

887
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 5: What do you remember about the three of us? You

888
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: can be honest, God, you guys are all great.

889
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: I literally I wish I had some crubby things to

890
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: say about you.

891
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 5: You make something up, Just make up one crummy thing

892
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 5: about Rider.

893
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: We just made him an active shooter. Make it up

894
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: about me.

895
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 5: You're right, Okay, make it about well.

896
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: A play several years ago where you did the Graduate

897
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: with Jerry Hall.

898
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 7: Oh, yes, theater years ago. I was like, I know

899
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 7: that guy.

900
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: Look at him, he's all grown up.

901
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: Now do you play the guitar and or the keyboard?

902
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: I do not. My son does. My son is a

903
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: fantastic drummer.

904
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: And that's the whole thing.

905
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: The thing but it makes me look a lot cooler

906
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: to have something that.

907
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 6: So you mentioned that you're still close to Mark Blutman, uh,

908
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 6: and one of an other person you met on Boy

909
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: Meets World?

910
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: Who else are you still close to?

911
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, the the cool thing is there's been two

912
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: different times when like the writers from Boyme's World have

913
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: kind of re entered my life later on, which like when, uh,

914
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: because Michael likes to keep.

915
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 7: His people around.

916
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 9: Uh.

917
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: Years later, when I had kind of moved up the

918
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: ranks and had become an executive producer on according to Jim,

919
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 3: Michael did a show called Misery Loves Company I believe, yeah,

920
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: and they were going to air after according to Gym

921
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: when they launched, and they the cast was supposed to

922
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: come to our set to shoot promos for their launch

923
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: and at the time I had no idea who what

924
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: Misery Loves Company was. I just knew that they were

925
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: coming in. And behind the actors comes all the guys

926
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: I used to get lunch for. I'm like, oh my god,

927
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: that's Bluckman and Matt Nelson. Well, and they came walking

928
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: in and like, I'm like, oh my god, this is

929
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: so cool that they're like over here now and they're like, oh, hey,

930
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: could we do It would be okay if we I'm like,

931
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: why are you talking like that? Gonna make you a sandwich? Like.

932
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: It was cool to see them then and kind of

933
00:44:53,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: reconnected then. And then when my writing part I created

934
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: a show on Disney Channel called liv and Maddie. We

935
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: were doing liv and Maddie season two when Girls World

936
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: got picked up. So Michael and you know, Blutman and

937
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: Manel and and uh ended up coming to set to

938
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: kind of learn the ways of Disney Channel, which has

939
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: a bit of a learning curve.

940
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it.

941
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: Was again cool to just kind of intersect with these

942
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: guys who I respected incredibly and have such fond memories for.

943
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: And then they they got to come see me all

944
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: grown up, which was nice. So cool.

945
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: That's so cool.

946
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 6: AU what a great full circle moment to be having

947
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 6: been the PA bringing those guys kuckaroo and now being

948
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 6: the person who says, yes, allow them to come on

949
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 6: and see my set and let me teach them and

950
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 6: guide them into what they're.

951
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 5: About ready to embark on.

952
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: That is so cool.

953
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: That's such a great moment.

954
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: Right there was the Boy Means World reunion strike, Yes,

955
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: and I got into that, and so I Cuckreo was

956
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: no longer around anymore. So I went and got a

957
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: box of stonnuts and wrote Cuckreo on the top and

958
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: he is your.

959
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: That is just so cool?

960
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: Do you think?

961
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 6: And I'm sure the answer is yes, but I want

962
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: to hear it from you. Do you think having been

963
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 6: a PA yourself impacted the way you then lead a show,

964
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 6: run a show, the way you interact with people?

965
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 5: Were there? Did you?

966
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 6: Did you walk away from that going I know I

967
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 6: am always going to treat people with respect and kindness.

968
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: It is yes.

969
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 7: There.

970
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: One of my all time heroes in uh in television

971
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: is a guy with the name of Gary Marshall cast

972
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 3: a Happy Days did guest on Boy Meets World the

973
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: year I was really cool. Yeah, And Gary had a

974
00:46:53,800 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: saying that I think about constantly in this business. He said,

975
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: it's nice to be important, but it's more important to

976
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: be nice. And I think that is hugely important, especially

977
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: in especially in the entertainment business, because it can be

978
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 3: so high stress, and it can be a place where

979
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: nerves are afraid, and it's creative people who are trying

980
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: to make things the best they could possibly make it,

981
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: and tempers can flare. But at the end of the day,

982
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: everybody's like, everybody from top to bottom, if you staffed

983
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: your show correctly, is trying to do a great job

984
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: for your show, your product, and everybody deserves the same

985
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: respect that you hope you got when you were still

986
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: starting out or when you were you know, whether you

987
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: have screwed something up up or whether you which by

988
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: the way, I did a lot when I was a

989
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: BA or and especially the moments where you thought you

990
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: were doing the right thing and it ends up screwing on.

991
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's hugely important to me, and it's I

992
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: also remember what it was like to be the person

993
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: who was trying so hard to do a good job

994
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: with what you're doing, but also let you know, like

995
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: I want to do more, and remembering how difficult it

996
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: felt to get in the room, get through the door,

997
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: to get to get to where you want to be.

998
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: And you can't always do that for everybody, but you

999
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: can at least provide an environment where you can learn

1000
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 3: and get yourself a little bit closer. And it takes

1001
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: more work on your part as a showrunner to do

1002
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: the little things that helped foster the next generation of people,

1003
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: but they were done for me and it's been, you know,

1004
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: my twenty five year goal to and in counting I

1005
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 3: hoped continue to create that kind of environment for other people.

1006
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great.

1007
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: It's also telling that Gary Marshall is the person who

1008
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: said that when he had to deal with personalities on

1009
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: things like Lavernon Shirley.

1010
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: So about that, as if you guys have worked in

1011
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: the Paramount lot, Yeah, yes, Happy Day stage and right

1012
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: next door to it was the Lavernon Shirley stage. There's

1013
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: literally about this much room between this door and this door. Gary,

1014
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: we go from the Laverne and Shirley stage, which was

1015
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 3: the most contentious high drama state ever and literally walk

1016
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: into the most beautiful place ever. On Happy Days during

1017
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: the pandemic, I was doing a show called Side Hustle,

1018
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: which happened to shoot on the Happy Day stage and

1019
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: we happen to be in the Happy Day's offices, and

1020
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: I realized, oh, I'm in.

1021
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 7: Gary Marshall's writer's room.

1022
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: Really difficult, really difficult time, because we were one of

1023
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: the first shows that we're kind of up back and

1024
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: producing after lockdown, and it was just kind of nice

1025
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: to feel that energy and realize, okay, like nerves are

1026
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: going to be even higher for people now, so your

1027
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: threshold for patience and kindness is going to be really

1028
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: important in it. It's kind of nice to feel like

1029
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: I was channeling Gary a little bit there.

1030
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 4: That's cool. That's cool.

1031
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 6: Well, for any of our dear listeners who are looking

1032
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 6: to get into the business, how do you tell people, like,

1033
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 6: what do you think the first step is? Do you

1034
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 6: still recommend a PA route? Is that even possible these days?

1035
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 6: What's your advice to young people.

1036
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 7: Look for a PA gig?

1037
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: The there used to be a fairly consistent pathway that

1038
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: I think. I think the door might have closed right

1039
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: as I finally got through it, where you'd work as

1040
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: a PA you would then work your way up to

1041
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: writer's assistant, and when you're a writer assistant more often

1042
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: than not. Then you were in the room and you're

1043
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: interacting with writers a little bit, and if you were

1044
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: in a cool place, maybe they'd let you pitch a joke,

1045
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: maybe they'd let you. But you've got access to outlines,

1046
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: you've got access, and more importantly, you've got access to

1047
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: the people who are doing the job that you want

1048
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: to eventually do. These are the relationships you want to

1049
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: build because one of those writers could end up getting

1050
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: their own show and bring you in as a script

1051
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: coordinator and then maybe get you a script. It's a

1052
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: little bit tougher now because rooms are smaller. There are

1053
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: less rooms, so those opportunities, like the pipeline is not there.

1054
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: But still you want to be around the people who

1055
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: you eventually want to be if because you're learning how

1056
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: to you're learning your craft, you're learning how they carry themselves.

1057
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 3: And you also have somebody who, like a vouch from

1058
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: somebody else, is worth his weight in gold in this business,

1059
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: whether that's oh, I read this kid's script, it's good,

1060
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: or you know what this this this this, this kid

1061
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: is a hard worker. You know, we could trust them

1062
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: to do little things, so why don't we trust them

1063
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: to do the big things? But at the same time,

1064
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: in addition to what I talk about, like you got

1065
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: you got your job, and you've got to also work

1066
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 3: on your career. I think it's even more important now

1067
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: than it has ever been to just be doing stuff

1068
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 3: you cause set yourself apart somehow, whether it's shooting shorts,

1069
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: whether it's I mean when I when I was when

1070
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: I was a PA and Boy Meets World, I became

1071
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: very close friends with Alex Dasaer, and Alex at the

1072
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: time was shooting Swingers, which at the time was like,

1073
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 3: oh yeah, they got this this little this movie thing

1074
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: that we're also kind of shooting. That became such a

1075
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: huge thing and launched so many careers. That's the kind

1076
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: of thing people need to be doing now, because it's

1077
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: always it's really hard to get somebody.

1078
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 7: To read something, to sit down descript.

1079
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: It's much easier to get somebody to watch something that

1080
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: you've sent them, and it's so much easier to kind

1081
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: of get that out there and distribute it now than

1082
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: it used to be. I always feel that's the kind

1083
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: of thing that gets you noticed more than anything now.

1084
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: Nothing nothing replaces being in a room and being around

1085
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 3: a staff of people and proving yourself to be invaluable.

1086
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 3: But if you don't have that access, producing something that

1087
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: you can get to people is also just as fantastic.

1088
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: And if you can do.

1089
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 4: Both, great, right, that's great, John.

1090
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 6: As I mentioned in your intro, which you didn't get

1091
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 6: to hear, but I mentioned all several of the shows

1092
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 6: you have been an executive producer for, one of which

1093
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 6: is Fuller House, and also many shows that you've.

1094
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 5: Created and show Ran.

1095
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 6: I want to thank you so much for spending your

1096
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 6: time here with us today. You are far more successful

1097
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 6: than our little podcast and I'm just we are so

1098
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 6: appreciative that you came and spent time with us today.

1099
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 6: And also i'd love to know what are you working

1100
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 6: on now? Where can people see your work, what are

1101
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 6: you excited about? Tell us what's in the pipeline for

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Speaker 6: you that we can get behind and root for.

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Speaker 7: Well, First of all, thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 3: This is something that David Kendall's talked to me about

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Speaker 3: and Mark Bluman's talked to me about. A couple of

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Speaker 3: people are like, I don't want to talk to me.

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Speaker 5: I was just not true.

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Speaker 3: I will say I was incredibly nervous to come on.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize I would be as nervous as I was.

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Speaker 3: So thank you. That dream you have when you go

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Speaker 3: back to high school and you're like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: everybody thought it was a jerk. I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: So nice to come back and see some faces who

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Speaker 3: I remember very finally and to find out that you

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Speaker 3: either didn't remember me or remember me finally.

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Speaker 5: Either right, you'll take either.

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Speaker 3: Most recently, I was doing two different shows for Nickelodeon.

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Speaker 3: I was doing a show called Back Rolele and a

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Speaker 3: show Side Hustle, kind of out pitching and developing. Right

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Speaker 3: now project I've been taken out with Jody Sweeten. I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of waiting to hear on that and you know,

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Speaker 3: just just kind of out hooking it. Well.

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Speaker 6: We are big fans of Jody here so and big

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Speaker 6: fans of yours as well, So I can't wait to

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Speaker 6: hear where that ends up. We will be We would

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Speaker 6: love to have you guys back on whenever that goes somewhere.

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Speaker 6: We will have you back on to talk about it

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Speaker 6: and promote it and get our dear listeners to watch

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Speaker 6: it with us.

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Speaker 3: How nice would that be?

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's that's the hope. So, John thank you again

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Speaker 6: for spending your time with us.

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you great to see you. Bye bye.

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Speaker 6: It's always so nice when you talk to people who

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Speaker 6: are like him, and it just absolutely seems like something's

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Speaker 6: right in the universe when a guy like that starts

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Speaker 6: as a PA and then makes it to a showrunner.

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Speaker 5: You know, just the kindest, nicest.

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Speaker 1: Hardest work I work. The way that he's able to

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Speaker 1: articulate the whole job career, I mean, it's so smart,

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Speaker 1: like God, and like so many people I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: think that oh I can just be a PA and

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Speaker 1: just that's it and then the job ends or they

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Speaker 1: stay in the like all the strategies.

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Speaker 4: The fact that he kept moving, I'll get a job

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Speaker 4: over here because I got to know more people like

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Speaker 4: that's so smart. I know, I don't know, the deserve

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Speaker 4: is the same.

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Speaker 2: I hope the business is the same where that's still,

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Speaker 2: like he said, a pathway to success where you can

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Speaker 2: still do I mean, look any way.

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Speaker 4: In is the way in right, right? Of course? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So, but I just you know, the saddest thing is

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Speaker 1: just that there's not as much being made.

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Speaker 6: Like that's just ninety sitcoms.

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Speaker 5: On the sports television down to six in like eight seasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you get their Kardashians guys. You know

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Speaker 1: we get the payoff the Apprentice.

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Speaker 4: You know, well, I miss Lavert and surely they used

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Speaker 4: to get that. Set was such a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: They used to count each other's lines, and if one

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Speaker 2: of them had had one line more.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't come out of their dressing room.

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Speaker 2: They had to write the script to where both the

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Speaker 2: actors had exactly the same number of lines.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine that?

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Speaker 5: Oh, you know what, I want enough time to care.

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Speaker 4: About that, right right?

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Speaker 5: Could you imagine the.

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Speaker 6: Kind of free time you must have to count your

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Speaker 6: life and your line, not just count yours to see

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Speaker 6: where you stand?

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Speaker 5: What about the other person?

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Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just like to poop alone. That'd be nice.

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Speaker 5: If I could just poop alone, ever, would be so great.

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Speaker 6: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 6: Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on

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Speaker 5: And we've got merch.

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Speaker 4: Who are you pooping with merch?

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Speaker 6: Children of the mails in this house, I can't be

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Speaker 6: away from me, and Indy.

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Speaker 1: Is finally at the age where he does not walk

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Speaker 1: in on me in the bathroom. I'm like, I've yelled

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Speaker 1: and screamed so many times and it's like, finally I am.

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Speaker 1: I am able to go without having to lock the door,

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Speaker 1: which is what I used to have to do. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm locking the door, dude.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, But the worst part is even if you

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Speaker 6: lock the door, then it's still banging, handle, jiggling.

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Speaker 2: Please, Mommy, hoop it alone, merch.

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