WEBVTT - 123023 The Man Trying to Destroy Progress (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am

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<v Speaker 1>host Ramsy's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramses Joh, I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>tuned in once again Pacific Cipher, did you are? And

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<v Speaker 1>Bless all of.

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<v Speaker 2>Our listeners, all of our brothers and sisters. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that you know it's a prosperous time of year for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're looking forward to a prosperous new year around here.

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<v Speaker 1>Please continue to ride with us because we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of exciting things in store. But before we get there,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a very I don't want to say exciting show,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, an interesting show in store for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay tuned because we are going to be discussing

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<v Speaker 1>the man behind the efforts to twelve, the movement that

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<v Speaker 1>has been in place to bring about equity to black

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<v Speaker 1>and brown and marginalized individuals in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>You are such a fair journalist, such a journalist. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Well you need to race with which I'll cutting you off.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, just touched my heart. We'll break them down.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get there. My son is going to spend so

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<v Speaker 2>much time with his uncle, ramsays, because he has so

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<v Speaker 2>much in the way of character that I want my

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<v Speaker 2>kid to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, Man, I appreciate that you won't go wrong. But

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, stay tuned, because we're going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you all about this gentleman named Ed Bloom. We're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to be We're going to also talk about SRO

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<v Speaker 1>officers student resource officers and how they are problematic in schools,

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<v Speaker 1>with some really interesting examples to share with you. But

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, we are going to discuss, as always,

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<v Speaker 1>some ebony excellence.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's ebny excellence brought to you by Actively Black. There

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<v Speaker 2>is greatness in our DNA Actively black dot com. This

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<v Speaker 2>story comes from Track and Field news dot com. Not

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<v Speaker 2>Back but Better. It was a season of rebirth and

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<v Speaker 2>resurgence for Shakri Richardson, who stormed her way to the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the world championship podium and the one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>meter dash in the campaign that won her honors as

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<v Speaker 2>our US Woman Athlete of the Year. Her twenty two season, however,

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<v Speaker 2>was one of frustration. Moments of extreme speed mingled with disappointment.

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<v Speaker 2>She blistered dashes of ten seven three and ten eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five leading up to Nationals, then failed to make the

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<v Speaker 2>finals in one hundred or two hundred. She only broke

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<v Speaker 2>eleven once that year, a ten to nine to three

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<v Speaker 2>in Brussels that was just good for fifth. The twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three campaign, however, would be astonishingly different. Only once in

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen efforts at one hundred meters heats and finals did

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<v Speaker 2>she runs slower than eleven flat. After a season open

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<v Speaker 2>or four by one leg at Texas Relays, she put

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<v Speaker 2>the world on notice in her first test in one hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>running a ten to seven to five heat and a

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<v Speaker 2>ten to five to seven final in Miramar, Florida, on

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<v Speaker 2>April eighth. A month later, she got on the legal

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<v Speaker 2>list with a ten to seven six win at Doha

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<v Speaker 2>in the Diamond League. Suddenly, the twenty three year old

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas native was back to being the women to beat

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<v Speaker 2>into one hundred. Looking ahead to the Olympic year, Richardson

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<v Speaker 2>remains committed to running two hundred in addition to the hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be a competitor, not one of those

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<v Speaker 2>athletes who just runs the one hundred. I'm a one

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<v Speaker 2>and two runner. I want you guys to see this

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to bring that out. So I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>about next year. That's a quote from Shkrie Richardson. She's

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite athlete in the world of track and field,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is and apologetically should carry.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, have any excellence if I ever saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So, as promised, we are going to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>a gentleman by the name of Ed Bloom. And really

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a story that you sent to

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<v Speaker 1>our group chat. Give us a little bit of background

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<v Speaker 1>here cue.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very very our job, and the position

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<v Speaker 2>that this job puts us in daily perpetually requires of

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<v Speaker 2>us to ingest some of our country's most difficult truths,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with concerns to people of color, not just black people,

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<v Speaker 2>and ironically not just people of color, poor white people

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Having to live a life where the deck

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<v Speaker 2>is constantly stacked against you, and then you are then

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<v Speaker 2>placed in a position where you must feel guilty for

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<v Speaker 2>just responding to that truth. Right you're playing the victim

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<v Speaker 2>or you're you know you're They found a way to

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<v Speaker 2>make it a pejorative for you to be the person

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<v Speaker 2>who has to live at the mercy of those who

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<v Speaker 2>oppress you full time. A friend of mine. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>why this story was so personal to me and why

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<v Speaker 2>I send it to you is because I actually wanted

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<v Speaker 2>us to provide platform for a really good friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine that I went to high school with named Arian Simone.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the founder or co founder of the Fearless Fund,

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<v Speaker 2>an organization started to help fund female minority led businesses,

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<v Speaker 2>and gentleman name I think Ed Blum or Ed Blum

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<v Speaker 2>I think is his name, has made it his life's

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<v Speaker 2>purpose to get rid of any initiatives that seek out

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<v Speaker 2>to help those who are disproportionately affected by oppression, white supremacy, poverty, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>He has flipped things on their head in a way

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<v Speaker 2>where I think he's calling it or referencing it as

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<v Speaker 2>reverse racism. Those who are getting special assistance just because

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<v Speaker 2>they've always been the targets of racist white supremacists. Legislation bullying,

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<v Speaker 2>fear mongering, intimidation. He'd like to make you think that

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<v Speaker 2>these people are having some type of special benefit program

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<v Speaker 2>because of their race, gender, and ethnicity, when it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>not the opposite, but it's different than the way that

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<v Speaker 2>it's framed. These programs exist similar to affirmative action, to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of give relief to those live under the boot

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<v Speaker 2>of white supremacist capitalism and who always have. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why this story, before it was national news,

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in our text thread because someone who I

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<v Speaker 2>know and care about was impacted by it, and before

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<v Speaker 2>it was newsworthy, it was just something wrong that I

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<v Speaker 2>saw happening to someone that I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go ahead and explain who this man is.

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<v Speaker 1>Share a bit with what you brought here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, ac LU Meet Edward Blum. I hope I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>This man's name.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be Bloom, but Blum doesn't sound But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really care about pronouncing his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, think about it. The engineer behind this litigation is

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<v Speaker 2>intent on sowing divisiveness amongst communities of color and an

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<v Speaker 2>effort to dismantled diversity programs and civil rights protections that

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<v Speaker 2>benefit all people of color students for fair admissions is

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<v Speaker 2>the creation wow of Edward. He is not a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>but he has a long history of crafting legal attacks

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<v Speaker 2>on civil rights. Before I move on, imagine someone making

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<v Speaker 2>it their life's work to craft legal action against civil rights.

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<v Speaker 2>And that pause or moment of emptiness was intentional, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want your imagination to work really hard. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really just imagine what I say. I do not want

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<v Speaker 2>people to have a fair, equitable life, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to make it my work to get rid of programs

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<v Speaker 2>that assist to that end. I'll continue. After losing a

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<v Speaker 2>congressional election in the early nineties, Blum, who was white,

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<v Speaker 2>challenged the Texas redistricting process as discriminating in favor of African,

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<v Speaker 2>African American, and Latino voters. While his success in that

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<v Speaker 2>case Bush versus. Verge was limited to particular districts. Among

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<v Speaker 2>his other challenges to the Voting Rights Blum was behind

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<v Speaker 2>Shelby versus. Holder. That case gutted important protections in the

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<v Speaker 2>Voting Rights Act with drastic effects for voters of color.

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<v Speaker 2>His attacks on laws and policies designed to promote the

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<v Speaker 2>equality of people of color are not limited to voting rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Blum also crafted the unsuccessful challenge to race conscious college

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<v Speaker 2>admissions programs and Fisher v. University of Texas. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>that there were not like countless examples of this guy

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<v Speaker 2>hurt because he lost an election determining that that was

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<v Speaker 2>based on the fact that he was white, and has

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<v Speaker 2>since made it his life's work and his business to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge anything that he feels gives an unfair advantage to

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<v Speaker 2>people of color, well as if there was a such thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, him getting the Supreme Court to overturn the college

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<v Speaker 1>admission admissions requirements was a big deal for all of

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<v Speaker 1>us because again, it reflects the values and the sensibilities

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<v Speaker 1>of straight, Christian, healthy white men, and it's another step

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<v Speaker 1>toward this individual creating further creating a world in his image.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also such a legal president right for him

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<v Speaker 1>to do it again and again and again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read more. It says failing in Fisher,

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<v Speaker 2>Blum badly strategized that he needed Asian plaintiffs. He formed

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<v Speaker 2>Students for Fair Admissions as a vehicle to file litigation.

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<v Speaker 2>The organization's leadership can sense solely of mister Blum. Abigail

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<v Speaker 2>Fisher and Richard Fisher, her father, those students for faird missions.

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<v Speaker 2>Blum recruited members in quotes and filed his challenges to

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<v Speaker 2>college admissions against Harvard and the University of North Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>with a twist. This time, Blum claims that the consideration

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<v Speaker 2>of race discriminates against Asian Americans. Ramses, why is that

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<v Speaker 2>part important?

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<v Speaker 1>Because these affirmative actions, uh moves done by colleges and

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<v Speaker 1>really by anyone, is meant to bring about in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>it's meant to ensure that the ethnic composition of a

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<v Speaker 1>given body, student, body, workplace, you know, employees, composition, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>more closely reflects the population and isn't skewed heavily in

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<v Speaker 1>one direction or another. And so in theory, this would

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<v Speaker 1>be something that would ensure that there was a proportionate

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<v Speaker 1>number of Asian Americans admitted to Harvard University and what

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<v Speaker 1>was it the University of North North Carolina as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And so these race based admissions ensure that everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>a shot and that one race isn't heavily favored over

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<v Speaker 1>any other races. So that's that's my best guest as

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<v Speaker 1>to why it's important.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think he needed non white allies, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>to further push this idea that there was a new

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<v Speaker 2>form of discrimination. So instead of framing it as this

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<v Speaker 2>giving opportunity that didn't exist to students of color, he

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<v Speaker 2>framed it as this is taking opportunities away from other

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<v Speaker 2>students of another ethnicity. Which some of these things seem

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<v Speaker 2>so obviously manipulative that we would hope our legal systems

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<v Speaker 2>could see through them. But this gentleman is, however, evil clever.

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<v Speaker 2>While blooming Out purports to represent the interest of Asian

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<v Speaker 2>Americans man, it's hard to not be. None of his

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<v Speaker 2>goals in litigation have changed. Blum isn't seeking to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>that universities adequately addressed an implicit biased against Asian Americans

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<v Speaker 2>in their admission practices, nor is he asking him to

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<v Speaker 2>asking him to take other affirmative steps to recognize the

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<v Speaker 2>value of Asian American applicants. The relief Blum seeks is

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<v Speaker 2>narrowly focused on what has always been his objective, a

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<v Speaker 2>prohibition of any awareness of race in college admissions. If

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<v Speaker 2>Blum gets with his wish, statistical projections show that white

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<v Speaker 2>applicants will be the primary beneficiaries. Not talking about race

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't erase discrimination. It reinforces the privileges of white applicants

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<v Speaker 2>by ignoring the ways in which deep seated structural racial

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<v Speaker 2>inequality impacts individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is what I've been waiting for right here.

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<v Speaker 2>So heads up, affirmative action benefits Asian Americans too, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 1>His his legal position in recruiting, you know, certain students

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<v Speaker 1>is to say that maybe these Asian students had certain

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<v Speaker 1>grades or certain test scores, or were qualified or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and that Harvard ignored those applicants and sought

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<v Speaker 1>out black applicants, and then those Asian applicants were not

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<v Speaker 1>able to be admitted to Harvard, so that room could

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<v Speaker 1>be made for additional black applicants who were as qualified

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<v Speaker 1>or less qualified. This is his his legal argument in

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<v Speaker 1>the courts. And like you said, Q, him basing it

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<v Speaker 1>around Asians students and not around white students was very

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<v Speaker 1>clever of him, because then it shows, well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not working. And we've seen other people in popular society

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that affirmative action and DEI initiatives and so forth

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<v Speaker 1>and so on is simply trading one form of racism

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<v Speaker 1>for another, when the fact is that's not true, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a convenient thing for them to say because it

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<v Speaker 1>hits the ear and makes you think, is that true, which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we know it is absolutely false, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is the basis of their brief, their legal.

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<v Speaker 2>Brief, and starting the conversation with that point is highly effective,

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<v Speaker 2>because now something that seemed right before you set it

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<v Speaker 2>straight forward now seems confusing and makes even quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>decent people question their positioning, sure, even when it's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's play a game with our listeners. So everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody here, let's let's all do the same thing. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that we're going to play a game of monopoly.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's familiar with monopoly, okay, And in the game of Monopoly,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that Q and I we both get to

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<v Speaker 1>start the game of Monopoly, and we get to go

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<v Speaker 1>around the board five six times. We get to collect

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars every time. We get to get all

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<v Speaker 1>the what are the apartments in the houses, properties, houses, hotels, hotels,

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<v Speaker 1>what they're called the app So we get all the hotels,

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<v Speaker 1>or we get let's say we get eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the hotels between the two of us, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>after we've gone around the board six or eight times,

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<v Speaker 1>we say to you, hey, and now you can start playing.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the first couple of laps, let's call this period,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Crow, let's call it the black codes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're only going to get one hundred dollars you passing

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<v Speaker 1>to go, okay. And then for the next couple of laps,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't buy any any properties. Okay, let's call that redlining,

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<v Speaker 1>funny enough. And then you know you can't collect on

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<v Speaker 1>community chest. We'll call that the war on drugs, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just the war on drugs, all on and on you.

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<v Speaker 1>You understand that this country has done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>harm to black people intentionally, legally, it was the law

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<v Speaker 1>of the land. Okay. And let's say after we've gone

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<v Speaker 1>around the board maybe twelve times or so, where you've

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of your money because we owned eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the what are they called not apartments hotels? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're broke, and we have everything that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to clearly win this game. Now there's two options. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them is equal. We say, okay, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna play this game fair. Everybody gets two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for passing go. Everybody can get community chessed, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can roll with both dice, everybody can can play the

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<v Speaker 1>game fair. That's equal. Are you gonna win with us

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<v Speaker 1>having eighty percent of the hotels? Absolutely not? And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what's even worse when we compare you to us,

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<v Speaker 1>Why aren't you just like us? Why are the rates

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<v Speaker 1>of this in your community so low? Are the rates

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<v Speaker 1>of that in your community so low compared to who you?

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<v Speaker 1>I can give you one answer. Okay, Now, would you

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<v Speaker 1>rather have equality? Or I should say it this way?

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<v Speaker 1>Is equality going to fix your situation? Or is equity

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<v Speaker 1>going to fix your situation? Now, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what equity looks like. Equity looks like. Okay, let's do

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<v Speaker 1>some things that allow you to catch up to where

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<v Speaker 1>we are. Let's get you a third dice to roll.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's double the amount that you get when you pass

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<v Speaker 1>go and community chest. Let's make sure that we at

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<v Speaker 1>least get you a couple of houses to play on

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<v Speaker 1>the board and get you some property so that you

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<v Speaker 1>have a sporting chance of reaching a point of equality.

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<v Speaker 1>That's affirmative action, that's diversity, equity and inclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>The really difficult thing with this conversation is it's people

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<v Speaker 2>versus systems, and those that benefit most from this systems

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<v Speaker 2>do not want to point out the obvious problems with

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<v Speaker 2>the system. So when you talk about systemic racism, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about systemic racism at a particular company or

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<v Speaker 2>country like the one that we live in, those who

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<v Speaker 2>are a part of that company and or country take

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<v Speaker 2>that personally and buck against it, push back against it

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<v Speaker 2>because they feel like you're coming at them. The Monopoly

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<v Speaker 2>experiment being such a great example because the University of

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<v Speaker 2>California conducted an actual experience talked about that right where

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<v Speaker 2>they would rig a game, but it wasn't a secret.

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<v Speaker 2>They would tell both players when the game started, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for saying that it was rigged. This person gets

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<v Speaker 2>double the money when they pass go, and they get

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<v Speaker 2>to roll the dice twice. Each time the person with

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<v Speaker 2>all the advantages won. And none of the cases that

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<v Speaker 2>the person with all the advantages think they won because

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<v Speaker 2>of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Advantages, none of the age.

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<v Speaker 2>That is where we stand here, and that's huge one

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<v Speaker 2>because I was better, I was more skilled, my business acumen,

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<v Speaker 2>I play the game better, right, not just for this

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<v Speaker 2>lucky role because they did a coin flip to decide

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<v Speaker 2>who the first would be the benefactor. None of them

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<v Speaker 2>attributed that coin flip to their success.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to say this real quick before we

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<v Speaker 1>move on. That is a function of human psychology that

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<v Speaker 1>is not based on a person's whiteness, blackness, whatever. Human

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<v Speaker 1>beings work that way, right, So just because you're white

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that you are bad, you know, or any

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<v Speaker 1>of these things. Being human will allow you to move

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<v Speaker 1>in that in that manner, but knowing it allows you

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<v Speaker 1>to offset it. And where we are right now is

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<v Speaker 1>we need to push back against this Edward Blum, I

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<v Speaker 1>like Blom better Edward Blum individual and efforts that are

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<v Speaker 1>similar to his in your workplace with DEI and all

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff, and of course on your campuses

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<v Speaker 1>with affirmative action e