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Speaker 2: Should I say? Welcome everybody to the Renee Stupsentas podcast,

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Speaker 2: just in case you forgot who you were listening to.

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Speaker 2: I mean sure somebody wrote on on they were very

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Speaker 1: who created the Coffee Table Book of Tennis. The Tennis Court.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Nick to the Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Bill for having me excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: I Nick, can you please sound a little bit more

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Speaker 1: Day is wired and Nick is bringing the mellow vibe.

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Speaker 1: So Nick, you're either going to have to get on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the original effort was various sort of research, journalistic

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Speaker 1: And I'm not how many countries is that?

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Speaker 1: And they were all pumped right, like everybody was like, yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I was shut down. And other countries

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Speaker 3: But then to get to the geographic diversity question, yeah,

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Speaker 3: There are no courts in the book. People's private homes.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's the next one. Maybe. Yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, trip is the most worth it thing for any

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Speaker 1: because you're like, who on earth would put a tennis

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Speaker 1: court here? And then when you get there it does

438
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Speaker 1: feel like your own little private eden do you have.

439
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to like make you pick favorites,

440
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Speaker 1: but surely there's like a couple that maybe because of

441
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Speaker 1: I have some favorite photos of you, you were kind

442
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Speaker 1: enough to let us excerpt some of the I don't

443
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Speaker 1: want to call it the material from the book, because

444
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Speaker 1: I think it was on purpose, some of the extraneous material,

445
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Speaker 1: just to get people a little bit of a sense

446
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Speaker 1: without cannibalizing this incredible thing. But like there's a picture

447
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Speaker 1: of a book of in the in the in our

448
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Speaker 1: magazine issue twenty four, where you're lying court side on

449
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Speaker 1: the stadium stands. It just there's such a fun in

450
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Speaker 1: Porto Romano in I went to Spain where they did.

451
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Speaker 2: Not long ago. It's beautiful, so many great great clay courts.

452
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Speaker 2: Then they have the hard court, a couple of hard courts,

453
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Speaker 2: which acted A lot of pros go to that from

454
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Speaker 2: you know, Dan Evans goes there, No Vak Djokovic goes there.

455
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Speaker 1: I think any Murray trains there, really, I don't.

456
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Speaker 2: I don't. Andy would go there, and then also Gabia

457
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: and Paula Badosa goes there still, so a lot of

458
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Speaker 2: players still go to Ponta Romano. It's beautiful too. Yeah,

459
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 2: what a great spot.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, there's nothing okay, but but favorites pick favorite.

461
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Speaker 3: For just pure scenery, Queens Sound, tennis club, mirror in. Actually,

462
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Speaker 3: if you just start at Bergenstock in Switzerland and then

463
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Speaker 3: get in your car and just drive for the Alps,

464
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: every little valley has their own claycourt club that's out

465
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Speaker 3: of a what's a ski shalley in the winter, that's incredible.

466
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Speaker 3: Grinda Wald is out there. I'm a big road trip fan.

467
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Speaker 3: So if you could just hop in the car and

468
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Speaker 3: hit tennis courts along the way. When I went to

469
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Speaker 3: grindwald Anger and you just show up, there's an odd

470
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Speaker 3: number often an odd number of people on the courts,

471
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Speaker 3: people just hitting serves, which was my dream when putting

472
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Speaker 3: the book together. Right, someone's out here hitting serves. So

473
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Speaker 3: you can go, let's talk. I'll buy you coffee, I'll

474
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Speaker 3: buy you beer, let's hit that. That was the story

475
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Speaker 3: of the book.

476
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Speaker 2: Really, so I want to ask you because I you know,

477
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Speaker 2: as I said, I've you know, gone through the book

478
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Speaker 2: and there's so many things that I'm like, oh my god,

479
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: Like tennis is really so worldwide, it's so beautiful, it's

480
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 2: just such such an incredible sport. Really, but uh Uganda,

481
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Speaker 2: like being there taking that photo, what was that like

482
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Speaker 2: for you?

483
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Speaker 3: So I did not take every single photo in the book.

484
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Speaker 3: That's one thing I like have to make clear. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 3: And so you know, while I went to North Africa

486
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Speaker 3: to shoot several places, I didn't make it to Yukanda.

487
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Speaker 3: But for quite also, like similarly for the courts in Pakistan,

488
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Speaker 3: we included those courts because those that facility was just

489
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Speaker 3: redone and they just started having tournaments for both male

490
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Speaker 3: and female players.

491
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Speaker 1: Oh cool.

492
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Speaker 3: So new tennis communities, new frontier is That's why we

493
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Speaker 3: really wanted to include them. But in the course of

494
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Speaker 3: the travels for the book across however many thirty some countries,

495
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Speaker 3: I didn't make it Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: How many How long was this two years in the making.

497
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Speaker 3: Two years of travel? It was six hundred and ten

498
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: days of travel across uh two years sporadically.

499
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Speaker 1: And what was the best tennis you played, and the

500
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Speaker 1: worst tennis you played just curious.

501
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Speaker 3: I played a tournament in Rotterdam. I really am shit

502
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Speaker 3: on clay.

503
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Speaker 2: Joined the club, bro joined the club. Although you loved

504
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: sliding on it, there's just nothing like sliding on ground

505
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Speaker 2: on clay. I think I could play on clay just

506
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: because I could slide like I could slide like Rougher.

507
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: I just couldn't play like there's more to them. I

508
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: mean I could slide for days.

509
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Speaker 3: So I won both the singles and the double sturt

510
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Speaker 3: ofment of that, which was fun. And the worst tennis

511
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Speaker 3: I played was in Australia, when you know, I was

512
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Speaker 3: going to so many different places around Sydney and Melbourne,

513
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Speaker 3: but and switching surfaces so many times in one day,

514
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Speaker 3: and that synthetic grass was killing my knees and ankles,

515
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Speaker 3: and I was.

516
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Speaker 1: Just playing the synthetic grass is hard, it's brutal.

517
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Speaker 2: Well, actually I don't mind playing on it now because

518
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: I like sliding because I don't have to. You know,

519
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: when I play with people, I have to do a

520
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: lot of the running, and so I end up like

521
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: being able to slide to the ball for me so

522
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: much easier. So when people go, oh, we're going to

523
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Speaker 2: play on clay today, I'm like, oh, thank god, because

524
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Speaker 2: I'm going to slide to the ball, hit it back

525
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: and then you know, get back into position. Whereas on

526
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Speaker 2: hardcot I'm like having a run and prop and it's

527
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Speaker 2: not fun. Other than those places, like, was there somewhere

528
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Speaker 2: that really surprised you that you would turn up and go, God,

529
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Speaker 2: I never imagined this would be here. I mean, you

530
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Speaker 2: can imagine like a tennis center or something in the Alps,

531
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Speaker 2: or you just of course it's going to beautiful. It's

532
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: like Indian Wells. You know, it's a tennis guard. Now,

533
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: there's just such a spectacular It's why it wins, you know,

534
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Speaker 2: tournament of the Year every year because it is spectacular

535
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Speaker 2: the mountains in the background. Was there a place where

536
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Speaker 2: you're like, shit, I did not imagine this would be here.

537
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the courts in Lapause, Bolivia. I mean

538
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Speaker 3: playing if anyone grew up playing high altitude tennis like

539
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: I did in New Mexico, go to Lapase and you're

540
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: playing at twelve fourteen, there is no air. I don't

541
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Speaker 3: know why you play tennis there, but still they persevere,

542
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: so like there's that kind of place where there's just

543
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Speaker 3: no business playing zennis there. That was remarkable. And in

544
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Speaker 3: terms of you know, stunning scenery when I had road

545
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: trips New Zealand's yeah, you just stumble upon some places

546
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Speaker 3: that's like, who put a court?

547
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Speaker 2: See, this is the problem. This is why no one

548
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: comes from New Zealand who's good, because they're like too

549
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 2: busy looking around. They're not actually actually working hard. They're

550
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Speaker 2: just like, Eh, let's go for a high plata, you know,

551
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: because it's so beautiful there. I mean Queenstown, as I said,

552
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: is so beautiful.

553
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Speaker 1: Are there places that if there were you know, another

554
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Speaker 1: one or more of a focus maybe as private homes.

555
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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you feel like maybe is you know,

556
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine you could do ten of these books?

557
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: Sure, you know.

558
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Speaker 1: For you what's like, I.

559
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Speaker 2: Mean the Portafino, which has been photographed so much through

560
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Speaker 2: the years. But I liked how you how the photo

561
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: in the book was actually taken, because it's often taken

562
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Speaker 2: from the other direction. And I actually liked this photo

563
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: of it because it shows you the undulation in the mountain,

564
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, going down to the court. But that has

565
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: got to be one of the most spectacular you weren't there,

566
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Speaker 2: didn't you recently?

567
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Speaker 3: Catin?

568
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Speaker 2: I mean, I have never been there, So that's definitely

569
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Speaker 2: on my bucket list of things to do. And that's

570
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Speaker 2: sort of what I'm saying about, like that's given me

571
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: the love of tennis actually going hit tennis balls because

572
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: Kitlyn knows how I feel. She plays more than I

573
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Speaker 2: like I've ever done in my like it feels like

574
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: so it makes me go, you know what, I'd be

575
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: lovely to go and hit some tennis balls there and

576
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: experience it. But I have to say, like through them all,

577
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: like the photo, I think it's one of my favorite

578
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: photos that you did in here of the photo and

579
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Speaker 2: the court in Sedona, like that place to me just

580
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: looks amazing.

581
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Speaker 1: They talk about that's a.

582
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Speaker 3: Am as the sun was coming up well and the

583
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: light was it was just it's at the base of

584
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Speaker 3: this canyon and it's you know, the reds are just incredible.

585
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Speaker 2: Is that it Was it a public court or was

586
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: that a private Was that a country club? But you

587
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: can go there.

588
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: I have played on those courts.

589
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

590
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Speaker 1: They also make a very good prickly paar Margarita Renee.

591
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: So I feel like that, Oh, I mean.

592
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: See that's what I need. I need that probably to

593
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: going on the court, but I want to be able

594
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: to also enjoy it and not be drunk. Well I'm

595
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: playing tennis, that's that's a great thing. I mean I

596
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: have been to the hotel to cap but I didn't

597
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: play on the tennis courts.

598
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: What's the what's the yeah, like, what's on the checkbox

599
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: for what's the dream list?

600
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Speaker 2: Now?

601
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Speaker 1: Now that you've been so many places, like was there

602
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Speaker 1: a place you were like, we just can't.

603
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Get to this one?

604
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Speaker 3: I mean I would go do as Renee suggested, I

605
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: would go to the Italian coast again and then jump

606
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: over to Croatia, like I would go to Luba Chich's

607
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: academy again, which is insane and insanely hard to get to.

608
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, there's a great place in Bold too. It's an

609
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: island off of Split which I actually played at. And

610
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: you know, as a kid, yeah, and as a kid

611
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: you don't appreciate like old beauty because coming from Australia,

612
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Speaker 2: I was like, these beaches are rocky. This is awful.

613
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh my god, it's amazing.

614
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: Right.

615
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: Sort Of the more you travel, the more you see things,

616
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: and that's another opportunity for people to actually go out

617
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: and see things that are different to what they used to.

618
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: I mean, growing up in Australia, we walk on beaches

619
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Speaker 2: that squeak when you walk on the sand because it's

620
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: so perfect, right, So I was like, oh, gross, rocky

621
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Speaker 2: you know. Now I'm like, oh, I can't wait to

622
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: go back to the coast of Croatia and the coast

623
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Speaker 2: of you know, of Italy. And someone said you should

624
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: go to Apulia. It's so beautiful, blah blah, and I

625
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm going to do that. It's on

626
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: my bucket list. My best friend's been twice, and all

627
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: these sort of things. And I started I started actually

628
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: looking at some airbnbs and I was like, wait, I've

629
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: been there. I had actually been to this area.

630
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Speaker 1: You didn't remember it.

631
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Speaker 2: I just didn't appreciate it. I'm like, wait, I flew

632
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: in a Bari Wait. I played a tournament there. And

633
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: I played a tournament there because you're, you know, an uneducated,

634
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: not very we old seventeen year old or sixteen year

635
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: old going to play in a twenty five because that's

636
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: where they all the tens and twenty five. So I

637
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: just scattered all around Europe and you don't appreciate these old,

638
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: beautiful tennis centers, you know, And yeah, I'd been to

639
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: all this area.

640
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Speaker 1: Do you think that that's still true? I bet it

641
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: is still true where a lot of players are kind

642
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I just see the it's side of

643
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: the locker room. I just see the like the.

644
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: Offense in the courts might be beautiful and the area

645
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: might beautiful, but the locker rooms probably aren't so great.

646
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: So we were like, God, get us out of here. Yeah,

647
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: so you know, just just keep that in mind if

648
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Speaker 2: you decide to pop off.

649
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Speaker 1: I didn't really realize that until I started talking to

650
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: pros about Miami, because I was like, oh, what a shame.

651
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: Hard Rock is like such a gross version of events, Crandon.

652
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful because you're good in keep a skin.

653
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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. It's near the city, the water, and all

654
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Speaker 1: the pros are like that place was a dump. The

655
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: locker rooms were terrible, and you're just like, oh, this

656
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Speaker 1: is right, this is your office. Like you're looking for

657
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: totally different things out of this than me, which is like,

658
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Speaker 1: is this a nice environs to be in?

659
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Speaker 3: Fascinating the first year of doing the book. I traveled

660
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Speaker 3: with the tours, and then I would spend the first

661
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: few days or the last few days of a tournament

662
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: at the event and then branch off and go do

663
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: my own things. So like Buenos Airis, Rio, Bastad, Gustade,

664
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Speaker 3: small tournaments like Oakley and Jamore and Lisbon, ester Reel,

665
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: et cetera. Beautiful and you know, you get to go

666
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: to these places, but you see the players, like you know,

667
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: when I was in Buenos Airis, that's buenas Arius Lawn

668
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: Tennis Club, the you know, yea soul of Argentina tennis.

669
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: Famous and gorgeous and it's beautiful. And the players are

670
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: either in the locker room, tucked away at this pop

671
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: up event because they turned the club into a venue

672
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: with temporary stands. They're either tucked away or they're back

673
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: at the Marriotte. Yeah, and which is the most boring

674
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 3: place in the city. But that's the that's their routine.

675
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen, I can attest. I've been to

676
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: Paris probably thirty five times, never been to the Louth.

677
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's just it's you go. You get

678
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: off the plane, the transportation picks you up, takes you

679
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 2: to the hotel. You like, first thought is when am

680
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: I practicing? Am I going to practice day? What time

681
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm practicing tomorrow? Okay? Who am I practicing with? Or

682
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: I got to get my rackets strong? Okay, what's the tension?

683
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Like?

684
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: What's the court speed like? And you get there and oh,

685
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: that's all you care about, and then you're like, okay,

686
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: when is my match? What's the draw?

687
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: Like?

688
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: This is all you care about? And then you're like, okay,

689
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: got to get some food, I got to go to bed,

690
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: I gotta play tomorrow. I gotta practice tomorrow. And you're

691
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: not appreciating the world around you, and then you care

692
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: about oh the draw came out, and then you're shitting

693
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: your pants because then you got your first round set.

694
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: And then you go and play your first round and

695
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: you hopefully win, and if you win, you think about

696
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: the next and then if you lose, you're like, when

697
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: are we getting out of here? Where are we going

698
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: to next? You don't even care about let's do a

699
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: little sight seeing. I think as you get older you

700
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: try and do that a little bit more. But quite frankly,

701
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: it's just it's the one bummer, and I think it's

702
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: The one thing that I would probably say to players

703
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: is like, take it in a little bit more. I

704
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Speaker 2: don't know if you went to Strasbourg, but like strass

705
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: for example, is I went there. This is a true story.

706
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: I went there a couple of times. It wasn't a

707
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: very big tournament on a tour, and so it was

708
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Speaker 2: not like a bucket list for particularly when I became

709
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: really good at doubles and I wasn't like, ugh, there's

710
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: a small tournament for the French Open. We didn't need

711
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: to play right, And I never went and really looked

712
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Speaker 2: around the city at all. So when people say, oh,

713
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna go to strasbogh go Strasbourg sucks, right. And

714
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: then I went there as a coach and oh my god,

715
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Speaker 2: Strasbourg is one of the most beautiful little towns in

716
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Speaker 2: the world. And I was like, God, I never appreciated

717
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: this world that I get to experience and be a

718
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Speaker 2: part of at all because I didn't care. All I

719
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Speaker 2: wanted to do was win and get out of there.

720
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Speaker 3: That was it.

721
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Speaker 2: It was a hotel nice that was also part of

722
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Speaker 2: the thing. And it was just like never, I never ever.

723
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Speaker 2: I was like it was like I went to Strasbourg

724
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Speaker 2: for the first time as a coach, going holy shit,

725
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: this is the most beautiful town I've ever been in.

726
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Speaker 2: And I just walked around the whole time going, oh

727
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: my god, Oh my god, look at that so beautiful.

728
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Speaker 2: And you know, that's the thing is a probably you

729
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: don't do and I would stress the players, and I

730
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: think they're better at it now, but just get out

731
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Speaker 2: and actually take advantage of the places you get to

732
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Speaker 2: go to as a professional tennis player. You don't have

733
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Speaker 2: a lot of us off time. I understand it, but

734
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Speaker 2: make an effort.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like one of the things that my

736
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Speaker 1: hope with tennis becoming more of a lifestyle, popular sort

737
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: of commodity is now that people are playing it more,

738
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Speaker 1: they will attend and vote with their wallets to go

739
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Speaker 1: to places that have both excellent tennis but also excellent

740
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Speaker 1: kind of environs. And I think, what so much of

741
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Speaker 1: the system that as you were describing that Renee, it

742
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. And it's also like, this

743
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Speaker 1: is why tournaments try to incentivize players to come with

744
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: nice hotels a lot of times with appearance fees, and

745
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Speaker 1: they don't care that much about the city and the

746
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: culture because they're just trying to put on the best

747
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: event that could really be a pop up anywhere, right.

748
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Speaker 1: And you use that phrase earlier, Nick, and I want

749
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Speaker 1: you to expand upon that idea because it seems like

750
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Speaker 1: to me now that people are going to tennis more

751
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Speaker 1: as a lifestyle than they were as like people who

752
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: fervently follow the tour, maybe there's an opportunity for the

753
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Speaker 1: tour to sort of adjust, or at least for us

754
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Speaker 1: to you know, highlight some of the tournaments that do

755
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Speaker 1: both things really well.

756
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Speaker 3: Totally. Yeah. You know, something I found, I guess that

757
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't fully expecting was just the number of events

758
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Speaker 3: that really reshape their image just for the one week

759
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: of tournament play and which ones are where there are

760
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: actual tennis facilities to accommodate a tournament, and you do

761
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: feel the difference there.

762
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Speaker 1: Give me an example of the you know, like.

763
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Speaker 3: Bestad Sweden on the Swedish Riviera, that's like one of

764
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: my favorite tournaments in the world. Yeah, Moore, it's a

765
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: challenge joy a budget more outside of.

766
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Speaker 1: Lisbon because people are playing tennis there all the time. Yes,

767
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: and it's clear that there's.

768
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Speaker 2: Like the Barcelona Club too in Barcelona.

769
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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful club also the like spiritual home of

770
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Speaker 3: tennis in Spain. And you know it's too young, of course,

771
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: you can't be too young. I think it's you know,

772
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Speaker 3: those those places you really feel the tennis community is

773
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: showing up for the events, whereas I think a lot

774
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Speaker 3: of tournaments you just you just feel like it's a

775
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: run of the mill. Pop up.

776
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pop up is a good way to describe it,

777
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Speaker 1: which I feel like, you know, I.

778
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Speaker 3: Mean, I love the I love the Madrid Venue, I

779
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: love Khama Hika, but it's it's an architecturally insanely unique place.

780
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Speaker 2: We call it, you know what, we used to call

781
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: it as applios the Chipotle Stadium. That's because it feels

782
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: like you're going into like a Chipotle. I don't know,

783
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: it's just it's just it has no.

784
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: It's just a song with someone, someone from Tennis Channel,

785
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: and they're like.

786
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: I think Andy Roddick actually coined the phrase. I think

787
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: it was him.

788
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: It looks like a franchise.

789
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: It just it just looks like a franchise. It's like, oh,

790
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: we just decided to build something here.

791
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: It looks like a dungeon from the outside, and you

792
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: go inside and you're like, this is is this Spain?

793
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so sad.

794
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah h h h.

795
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: You know, you go to the Barcelona Open and you

796
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: feel it a lot more. That's the Spanish, diehard tennis

797
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: fans show up for that. You go to Stockholm Open,

798
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: like very intelligent people on tennis show up for that event.

799
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: And so those are the one that when people ask

800
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: me if where they should travel to for professional times,

801
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: you say and Stockholm, I say, Stockholm gestad Rome. It's insane,

802
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: but I will always say I love the fans in Rome.

803
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: Just as oh Rome's great. It's wild, that's wild, It's

804
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: into the city and it's beautiful. That Tennis Center that

805
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: was the one place that I used to turn up

806
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: to and just go, oh yeah, it's just cool.

807
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: To be that stadium the greatest city. Daniel Collins player

808
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: there this past year and like it's just this giant

809
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: plume of cigarette smoke going up all night and people

810
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: are having the best time.

811
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is. It is arguably one of the

812
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: best places to go and watch a tennis tournament. And

813
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: it's I mean, who doesn't love a little bit of pasta.

814
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean, the players used to turn up there in

815
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: the players lounge and just be like yeah. I mean

816
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: it was just like yes, thank you God, we get

817
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: to come to this amazing tennis facility, had this great

818
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: tournament with such history, and the food was bonkers off

819
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: the charts, I mean, like Barada, I mean, everything you

820
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: can imagine in Italy was in the play as restaurant turns.

821
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Speaker 1: And this is the year that I've decided that Italy

822
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: passes Muster Nick, just for fun, So people who haven't

823
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: followed the podcast closely along, I've I've really turned down

824
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: my nose at it, but I've changed my tune in

825
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. You know, its growth is what we

826
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Speaker 1: call it. You had a very good question that I

827
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: want to sort of wrap things up with, just because

828
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: you're a journalist anyway, besides doing these books, are you

829
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: still going to be writing and contributing as you think

830
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: about what your next couple books are going to be?

831
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think I'm very curious if

832
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: people would want to come on a trip with me

833
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 3: through northern Spain to hit some of my favorite tennis places.

834
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: Yes, Nick, this is your opportunity.

835
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: Put it out there, bro, Yeah, putting it out there

836
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: into them. I'm manifesting it right now. Yeah, you want

837
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: to do this French riviera with me and then go

838
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: to the French Open I'm down.

839
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: What's your what's your Instagram? What's your what's your handles?

840
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: Just search my name. My instagram is Nick Pachell's. And

841
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of writing and books, there is

842
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: something coming. I can't announce it. Yeah, but there's also

843
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: so many ideas. Like you were mentioning the first court

844
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: you ever played on. I would I don't think it

845
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 3: would happen, but I would love to do a book

846
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 3: of people's first courts.

847
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool actually, And it's still there.

848
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: And sometimes when I go home to Austray and I

849
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: drive to a certain spot, I go out of my

850
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: way to drive past it just because it has such

851
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: Oh I just got a little emotional it. Actually. It's like, man,

852
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: I started my journey in life here. Like you know,

853
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: everything that I do, everything that I have in my life,

854
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: is due to riding my little green BMX bike down

855
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: Home Street over you know, over Anzac Parade. People in

856
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: Sydney are like, oh, I know that are over Anzac

857
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Parade and stop my bike at Snake Park, you know,

858
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: and all the little places around there.

859
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you doo has that story of the thing.

860
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite things to do is to

861
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: stop someone and say, we're in your town, take me

862
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: to your first whatever sport, it doesn't matter, whatever thing.

863
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: So like, I'm obviously going to Australia. You know you

864
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: you met my boyfriend at racket party. Yep, he's from Sydney.

865
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: You're playing tennis.

866
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

867
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Speaker 3: The SiGe thing to do, it's like, let's go look

868
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Speaker 3: at your first court.

869
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: Where was his first court? Do you remember you're you're

870
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: about to get divorced after that com I think I

871
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: think one thing that I think it's a great idea

872
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: actually is to take the top you know, X amount

873
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: of players and maybe players that want to contribute to

874
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: your next book, maybe to say I want to do

875
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: a little blurb story on your first court and take

876
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: a photo of it. And because I think that's cool,

877
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: because I think it's also important for kids out there,

878
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: parents out there that think they've got no way of

879
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: making it on the tour, or their kids not going

880
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: to be good enough because they're not going to like

881
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: Moritaglu Academy or which you have in the book as well,

882
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: which is, you know, obviously beautiful, as is the RAFA

883
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: Academy in on that Yorka. But but that's not where

884
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: the reality of most kids start, right Novak Djokovic in

885
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: a pool indoors.

886
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: In the guys got the most slam trophies and probably

887
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: has the least glamorous beginnings.

888
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: And when you see snap Park, you're like, oh, okay,

889
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: well that's random. It's off the street, he says.

890
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: Nobody's asked me. We're my first time.

891
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well there, yeah, where is it?

892
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: Arcadia High School in Phoenix, Arizona, where my grandparents taught

893
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: high school?

894
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so you were at the high school court were.

895
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: My mom and uncle went to high school, a block

896
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: from their house, covered in dust, cutting through the chains

897
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: and getting on a court with my grandma at six

898
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: am in the morning.

899
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that not you turn pro,

900
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: but you went to college. I would say I would

901
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: argue and say that most kids on tour that are

902
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: doing really well for themselves all started very meekly. All

903
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: started on a public court. You know, just grab some balls.

904
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean, hello, the Williams sisters Compton, you know, like

905
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: I would argue and say most kids would have started

906
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: that way and then they progress, maybe get into a

907
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 2: junior program, and then they get an opportunity to maybe

908
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: have a little bit more coaching, YadA YadA. But I'd

909
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: say most kids start on public courts. So that's the

910
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: importance of them, which is why the USTA in ten

911
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: Australia and the French Federation and Wimbledon and all that

912
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: sort of really need to put their money where their

913
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: mouths are because most of them are non for profits

914
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: and make sure that the public courts are up to snuff,

915
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: make sure the nets are okay, make sure that they

916
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: don't have holes in the court. Make an effort, because

917
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: that's where the next Andy Roddick, That's where the next

918
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Sloan Stevens, the next Serena Williams, Venus Williams, you know,

919
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: Sam Stows are like all of the great players that

920
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: you know from your own country, the rough ill nadals,

921
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean, they all start. I would say, arguably all

922
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: of them are just a shitty little public park.

923
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: So I mean not that we're mad at looking at

924
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: pictures of Hotel Captain Interach, but I do think the

925
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: public court, you know, Oden to the public court is amazing.

926
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to get that going to so I

927
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: can go to Australia because my real goal is just

928
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: to go see Sam and Sam and Ash in Australia

929
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: and take me to your home courts.

930
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I'm sure we can make that happen.

931
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: But that's but that's a really great idea and I

932
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: think that you should do that. And one thing that

933
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: I did say to you one of the most okay,

934
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: so what's the most beautiful tennis facility? I can honestly

935
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: say that, and it's not in your book, and we

936
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: brought it up before, is that when I drove into

937
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have you been to the

938
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: Seattle I drove into the gate there to go down.

939
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: I was playing like a charity exhibition thing there with

940
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: Lisa Raymond, and we both drove in and went, oh

941
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: my god. We couldn't believe that that existed that club.

942
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: So there's so many clubs that you don't even have

943
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: in the book that I know that you probably are like, yeah, like,

944
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: there's so many out there. I would just say to

945
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: people that love tennis, like, get the Tennis Court Book

946
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: because it will make you want to go to these

947
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: places and check them out.

948
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there will be a deluxe version one

949
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: day that will have I mean, I have my list

950
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: of places that I didn't make it all Hollyburn up

951
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: in Vancouver, Texas, honestly didn't get a whole ton of

952
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 3: eleven there.

953
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: And you should you know what you should do. You

954
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: should have everyone that listens to our podcast take a

955
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: photo of your favorite courts. Take a photo of your

956
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: favorite courts in your city, in your country, or if

957
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: you're traveling, if you figure it all out, you should

958
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: see this place, Nick, like, send it in and send

959
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 2: it to tag Racket, tag myself, tag Nique, and let's

960
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: like get something fun.

961
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: Let's have them with the second, third, and fourth books, Nick,

962
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: you had a great question that I want to end on,

963
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: which is so you get to decide your dream my itinerary.

964
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: Maybe some places that you've already been and covered in

965
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: this book, some places that are yet to be discovered.

966
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Who are you taking? And it can't be your boyfriend.

967
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: In my case, my wife probably wouldn't even want to come.

968
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: She'd be like, I'm good. Who who? Who is the

969
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: best tour travel companion about you?

970
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: Right now? I could answer that for like, if I

971
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: just take the subset of people who are in the

972
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: tennis world.

973
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, tennis tennis world. Person who would be familiar to

974
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: our listeners.

975
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: Mhm. Okay, Well, I'm a fan of a book club,

976
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: so I would take Peco with me. Did you know

977
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: I was just giving her a book the other day.

978
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: She lives in a building where the first floor is

979
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: a bookstore in green Point, green Point.

980
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, there you go. I didn't know that all her

981
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: fans now are going to be going to every building

982
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: in green Point trying to find her.

983
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: I would take I would take Sabalanca because I think

984
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: she would just be wildly fine.

985
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: She would be out every night.

986
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: I would want to talk about the psychology of this

987
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: mass of a life. So I would take uh Daria huh,

988
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: he gets mind, coach. And I would take Casper Rude

989
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: so we can go golfing.

990
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Great answers.

991
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: You're taking Casper for what reason?

992
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 3: So we can go golfing?

993
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're hilarious. I thought you were going

994
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: to say for his oatmeal stallion outfits the Caitlin him. Sure,

995
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: he is good looking, he is a good.

996
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: I really want to see with Yank I wanted to

997
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: do like a New York Times profile of Yank and

998
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go ski with him and talk about tennis,

999
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 3: but talk about skiing.

1000
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, manifest that manifest. What about you, Caitlin, I need

1001
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: more time to think what you're talking about next? Took

1002
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: out of my answers.

1003
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, it's hard. Honestly, I think I

1004
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: think turning up at any tennis facility in the world

1005
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: with Billy Jean King would be pretty fucking cool, you know,

1006
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: because my enthusiasm for tennis is pretty high, But it

1007
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: doesn't it pales in comparison to Billy and and honestly

1008
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: her partner Alana, because they play tennis like every day

1009
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: still almost. I mean, I last time I was at

1010
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: their apartment, they were going off to play tennis at

1011
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: like two in the afternoon. They were going off to

1012
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: Randall's Island to go and play little tennis, and I

1013
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: was just like, I just the love that they have,

1014
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: the sport that both of them, and you know, particularly

1015
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Billy now in her early eighties, like going out and

1016
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: doing that. And then I want while we're there, just

1017
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: Elton John to pop over because nobody loves tennis more

1018
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: than Elton and just I don't know, just to have

1019
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: that enthusiasm and frankly Pink who really is obsessed with tennis.

1020
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: So so that's a pretty cool little group I'd have going.

1021
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: I'd have music and tennis and just all.

1022
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: The loves the party and legends. You guys answered, but.

1023
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, tennis people love tennis, like you know, I

1024
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: was just out with you know, out at the Beaver

1025
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: Creek Birds of Prey, a ski event where Lindsay Vaughn

1026
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: made her come back after six years of being out

1027
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: or seven years being out and having a partially like

1028
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: fake knee. Basically she's skiing eighty miles an hour down

1029
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: a hill. But Lindsay, for example, is obsessed with tennis.

1030
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: So it's like these people that get so obsessed with tennis,

1031
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: it would be it would be fun for me to

1032
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: cultivate a group of the best athletes in the world

1033
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: like Lindsay Vionn, like Mikayla Schiffern for example, who also

1034
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: loves tennis, like these sort of people, and take them

1035
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: all around these beautiful places around the world to play

1036
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: tennis with them. You know that are not tennis plies.

1037
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: Especially everybody's manifesting really cool projects Week five.

1038
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you want to that idea? I'm coming

1039
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: for you.

1040
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: Listen. All ideas expressed on the Renae Subs podcast are

1041
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: proprietary to the people who said them.

1042
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's yours?

1043
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: I I don't have a good answer. I'm taking all

1044
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: of yours. I'm taking Casper Rude, I'm taking Petcoat, I'm

1045
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: taking Billy, I'm stealing all of your ideas. I'm taking

1046
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: everybody who's a good time Charlie a Rina Sablanca, people

1047
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: who like to eat, who like to play, who go hard,

1048
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: who are intrepid, who are fearless.

1049
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: You just you absolutely stolen. Now it's pathetic. Anyway, we're

1050
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: gonna finish.

1051
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, guys, your answers are great. Happy New

1052
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: Year everyone, in celebration of manifesting all of the amazing

1053
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: things that we want to see happen in the next year.

1054
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: Please do send us your dream tennis courts. Where should

1055
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: Nick and all of us a racket focus our lens. Yeah,

1056
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: maybe we'll pop up and have a party there.

1057
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: Great.

1058
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.

1059
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1060
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: Thanks that was fun.

1061
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: Happy New Year.

1062
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: Happy New Year to everybody. Everyone, twenty and twenty five.

1063
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe it's twenty and twenty five.

1064
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: Next year it's starting. The tennis season will begin in Australia,

1065
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: the place that Caitlin I love it.

1066
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: I can't wait. And we'll be back next week from Australia.

1067
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1068
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

1069
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening everyone, Bye bye