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Speaker 1: From iHeart podcasts, This is Supreme, The Battle for Row

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Speaker 1: starring Maya Hawk and William H.

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Speaker 2: Mason, Mister Chief Justice.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 1: Episode six, Son of a Traveling Salesman.

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Speaker 4: Sit on this bench long as you want, Sarah. There's

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Speaker 4: never gonna be water in the Trinity.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming to meet me.

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Speaker 4: You look like cropping.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Linda. I haven't been sleeping much in addition

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Speaker 3: to everything else, running up and having problems. Is there

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Speaker 3: a single person in my life? I haven't pissed off, Linda.

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Speaker 4: I heard you. I'm just trying to think of someone.

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna sit down or just hover over me?

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Speaker 4: I'm decided if it's man trouble you want to discuss, Sarah,

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Speaker 4: it's not really my strong suit. But hope spring's eternal.

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Speaker 4: I'm ether sign me up for a trip to Israel

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Speaker 4: with Baptist singles this fall.

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Speaker 3: No, are you going?

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Speaker 4: If that's what she needs to hold on to the

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Speaker 4: hope of a grandchild. Sure, I'll took a free trip.

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Speaker 4: Think that makes me a fraud?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes I do. But you're in luck. This is

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Speaker 3: the Trinity bench for frauds and alienators. You're in the

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Speaker 3: right place.

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Speaker 4: Get over yourself. Sarah, you're not a fraud.

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Speaker 3: Of course I am. I took this case for one reason,

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Speaker 3: because they'd have me. All other women in the group

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Speaker 3: are so passionate about the cause. Only thing I was

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Speaker 3: passionate about was starting a career.

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Speaker 4: So you've dragged me down here on my lunch chower

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Speaker 4: of wallow.

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Speaker 3: I'm not wallowy.

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Speaker 4: Poor Sarah hustled her brought off to graduate at sixteen,

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Speaker 4: worked herself to the bone for three years of law school,

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Speaker 4: and had the temerity to actually want to practice law.

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Speaker 4: What a selfish bitch.

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Speaker 3: You should have heard these women's stories I collected for

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Speaker 3: the brief.

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Speaker 4: They deserve better, and that's Roy Lucas. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 3: They also deserve to win.

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Speaker 4: You're their best chance for that. How could you not

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Speaker 4: see that? I would have thought tooth and nail if

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that, you, Sarah Weddington, are the best

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Speaker 4: and only hope of winning this thing. Every damn door

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Speaker 4: was close to you, so you found one around back

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Speaker 4: and you knocked it off its hinges. You're really gonna

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Speaker 4: punish yourself for that? Who cares why you initially took

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Speaker 4: the case. I'm honestly gonna tell me it's still just

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Speaker 4: a legal issue to you.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not. That's why I asked to hear Linda.

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Speaker 3: If I did want to push to get the first

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Speaker 3: I did, do I have any recourse?

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Speaker 4: It depends you ready to fight?

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Speaker 3: I think so?

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Speaker 4: No, you better know so, because where as a fighter.

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Speaker 3: He already filed the appearance papers with the court. Do

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Speaker 4: There might be, but like I said, you gotta be ready.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And if I do get it back, I'm done

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Speaker 3: with this procedural Throw at every amendment at the wall

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Speaker 3: like it's a dark board crap. I'm gonna argue abortion

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Speaker 3: is a fundamental rat. I don't want some technical victory.

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Speaker 4: I want change the fourteenth Amendment. That's right, it's about

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Speaker 4: down time. But how Linda go home? Sarah wait for

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Speaker 4: my call.

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Speaker 6: I have an idea, Justice blackmun Charlie, come in, come in.

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Speaker 7: This is the research the court Libray sent over. I

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Speaker 7: didn't realize there'd be so many books on the subject.

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Speaker 8: This is just the research on the history of privacy.

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Speaker 8: They're holding the rest for me. You're not sure everything

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Speaker 8: request will fit in these chambers. Wow.

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Speaker 7: If this is the research you do before you've even

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Speaker 7: been a side of the case, I shudder to think

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Speaker 7: what it'll be like when you're actually writing the opinion.

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Speaker 8: What's wrong, Tony, Sir?

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Speaker 7: I need to tell you something. I was at lunch

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Speaker 8: Why do you and the other clerks go there?

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Speaker 9: The prices are out the.

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Speaker 7: Landish, Yes, sir, but I overheard something about the chief.

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Speaker 8: What about Warren, Sir?

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Speaker 7: He's being seriously considered for the vice president's lot.

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Speaker 8: Oh, don't be absurd, Charlie. This is why idle Washington

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Speaker 7: It wasn't idle gossip, Justice, Blackman.

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Speaker 8: It was third rate lobbyists trying to scare up some controversy.

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Speaker 7: No, it was two senior White House staffers.

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Speaker 9: It was, sir.

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Speaker 7: It makes sense with spirou Agnew's resignation, Nixon needs a

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Speaker 7: party favorite to replace him, someone who's above scrutiny, someone

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Speaker 7: who's already been vetted by the Senate doesn't hurt.

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Speaker 8: That's even if you're right that they're considering Warren. I'm

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Speaker 8: sure he's one of many many names on a list.

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Speaker 8: He'll laugh when he finds out. Believe me, I've known

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Speaker 8: the man my whole life.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure that's the case, your honor. One of

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Speaker 7: the Chief's clerks told me.

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Speaker 8: That old you what told you? What exactly?

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Speaker 9: I want you to back channel with Lewis's clerks on

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Speaker 9: the railroad case, Stephen, we need to assemble a majority.

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Speaker 8: On a chief. I'm supposed to play tennis with Billy

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Speaker 8: at Woodmont this weekend. Actually, I'll bring it up casually. Good, good, Warren.

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Speaker 9: Harry, pull up a chair. I recommend the stake today.

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Speaker 9: It's actually itable. Is it true?

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Speaker 8: What Warren? Is it true?

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Speaker 9: Steven? Give us a minute?

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Speaker 8: All right, of course, sir.

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Speaker 9: What exactly is on your mind? Harry?

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Speaker 8: Don't, Warren, We've been friends too many decades.

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Speaker 9: I take it this is about the vice presidency.

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Speaker 8: Did you think I wouldn't hear?

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Speaker 9: Relax, Harry, nothing's been decided yet. All right. I'm on

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Speaker 9: a list, that's all.

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Speaker 8: How many other names are on that list, Warren?

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Speaker 9: I believe three?

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, you can't do this.

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Speaker 9: When a has to serve his country, one does not

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Speaker 9: turn down the president of the United States.

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Speaker 8: Hey, he does. If he's already Chief Justice of the

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Speaker 8: United States.

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Speaker 9: I didn't expect you to understand.

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Speaker 8: Then help me too, Please help me understand why you

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Speaker 9: Harry. I'm the son of a traveling sal.

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Speaker 8: Holy crap, is that really where we're starting. I don't

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Speaker 8: need your biography, Warren. I was there for it.

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Speaker 9: I'm the son of a traveling salesman. I went to

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Speaker 9: ever heard of. Now I have a chance to be

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Speaker 9: the vice president a heart beat away from the Oval.

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Speaker 8: How inspiring the lowly chief Justice of the United States

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Speaker 8: might finally be able to make something of himself, Warren.

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Speaker 8: You don't need me to tell you the ramification this

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Speaker 9: They'll be annoyed at first, Harry, but they'll get over it.

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Speaker 8: I'm not talking about the other justices, Warren. I'm saying

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Speaker 8: that you'd be politicizing us.

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Speaker 9: We are political, Harry. That's what you continue to refuse

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Speaker 9: to understand.

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Speaker 8: No, you're political. This court is about justice.

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Speaker 9: Oh shut up? Will you do you hear yourself?

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Speaker 8: Using the Court as a stepping stone to the White

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Speaker 8: House will make us appear beholden to them. Nixon is

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Speaker 8: using you can't you see that.

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Speaker 9: Go back to your chambers, Harry, before I say something

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Speaker 8: I'm not going back to my chambers. I'm flying to

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Speaker 9: What why?

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Speaker 8: Because I care about the work we do here, Warren

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Speaker 8: right here, I'm not as ambitious as you are in

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Speaker 8: days like this. I'm thankful for that, Ernie.

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Speaker 10: I need three chicks on a raft draw one and

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Speaker 10: a Noah's Boy.

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Speaker 4: Gloria, you got a second, Linda coffee?

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Speaker 5: What are you doing here?

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Speaker 4: I came to talk to you.

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Speaker 10: Not a good time, Linda, I got three extra tables

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Speaker 10: this morning.

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Speaker 4: I need your help.

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Speaker 5: What is it? Roe Wade?

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Speaker 10: Are we gonna lose?

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Speaker 4: I mean almost certainly. Yeah, but we won't even have

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Speaker 4: a fighting chance if we lose our lead attorney. What

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Speaker 4: are you talking about, Linda? My partner on the case,

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Speaker 4: Sarah Wennington. She wanted for us here in Dallas. Remember now,

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Speaker 4: she's not going to be allowed to even argue in DC.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, I got a letter.

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Speaker 5: That guy is doing it right.

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Speaker 4: What's his name, Roy Lucas? Right? What does that have

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Speaker 4: to do with me? You're one of the plaintiffs, Gloria.

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Speaker 4: In any court case, the plaintiffs have the right to

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Speaker 4: pick their own attorney. The other plaintiffs look up to you,

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Speaker 4: I've seen.

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Speaker 10: I can't just tell them we should go with your friend.

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Speaker 10: This guy, Lucas seems a lot more experienced. This isn't

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Speaker 10: my son's little league. It shouldn't be about everyone getting

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Speaker 10: equal play in time.

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Speaker 5: We need to go with who's gonna win.

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Speaker 4: It for us, Gloria, I could not agree more. The

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Speaker 4: thing is, that's Sarah. I'm not asking you to do

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Speaker 4: anything more than hear them both out. Let each of

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Speaker 4: them make their case. That's your prerogative. Then you decide.

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Speaker 11: Excuse me, aren't you? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: You are?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 8: Hello there, My son.

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Speaker 11: Is studying you in social studies right now.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 11: Geez hey, I'm sorry to bother you, but can I

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Speaker 11: maybe get your autograph for him?

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Speaker 8: Well? That's very kind of you. I can't imagine he'd

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Speaker 8: actually want it, but yeah, of course. What's your name?

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Speaker 11: I'm Marcy, but my son's name is Calvin.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 11: It is an honor to meet you, an actual Supreme

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Speaker 11: Court justice. I mean, wow, And you're from here, right

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Speaker 11: from Saint Paul.

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Speaker 8: I think I knew that.

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Speaker 11: What are you doing back in town.

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Speaker 8: Before the court? I worked at Mayo came back to

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Speaker 8: do some research in the medical library for a decision.

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Speaker 8: I'll need to write.

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Speaker 11: How exciting demus Saint Paul.

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Speaker 8: Marcy, you have no idea?

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Speaker 5: Oh there's my bag.

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Speaker 11: It was so nice. Meaning you have a great time

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Speaker 11: while you're here.

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Speaker 8: Justice Berger, No, it's it's Justice black I'm a Harry Blackman.

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Speaker 11: Oh really okay, well thanks anyways, I.

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Speaker 10: Guess welcome to the Clinic Research Library.

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Speaker 5: What can I help you with?

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Speaker 8: Sir, Hi, there is Susan Halverson around.

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry, Susan retired a couple months ago. Can I

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Speaker 10: help you with something?

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Speaker 8: I see? I used to work with Susan when I

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Speaker 8: was in house council here. I actually called ahead reserved

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Speaker 8: a room to do some research today.

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Speaker 10: Justice Blackman, I'm so sorry I should have recognized you.

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Speaker 10: They have you on the calendar for two pm. Let

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Speaker 10: me show you to the room. I was so excited

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Speaker 10: when I saw you were coming here today. You requested

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Speaker 8: Creature a Habit can't tell you how many hours I

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Speaker 10: I think here it is same as you left it,

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Speaker 8: No, it's now the.

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Speaker 10: Chief Justice Warren Berger reading room.

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Speaker 12: Knows Catherine? Can I get some more catch up?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 5: You sure that's a good idea?

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Speaker 8: What have you always told me about sodium levels?

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Speaker 9: Holy crap, Harry Blackman?

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Speaker 8: What are you doing here?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 8: It's good to see you, Quincy.

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Speaker 9: How are things in DC? We've missed you around here.

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Speaker 8: Believe me, I've missed this place too. Brings you back confidentially?

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Speaker 8: Did you read about the abortion case we have coming

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Speaker 12: They know you are a legal counsel, not a surgical resident.

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Speaker 8: Right that seems to have been lost in translation.

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Speaker 12: You mean by Warren he's the one who decides.

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Speaker 8: The senior most justice in the majority decides.

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Speaker 12: But you said the case hasn't been heard yet.

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Speaker 8: I need to educate myself, Quincy, and I figured what

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Speaker 12: Let me know how I can help anything you need.

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Speaker 8: Just name it. A dozen appointments with doctors researchers, bioethicists, obstetrics, gynecology,

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Speaker 12: Harry, Please don't tell me you came to Saint Paul

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Speaker 8: You don't like my chances, you may as well go

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Speaker 12: Talk to a freshman philosophy student. There are no clear

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Speaker 8: I don't accept that, Quincy. There must be some accepted theories.

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Speaker 8: You're the head of the reproductive and Paranatal biology division.

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Speaker 8: Look at all this paper on your wall. You can't

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Speaker 12: I can set you up on a maternal and fetal

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Speaker 8: Mother, she's in here, mister Blackman, Hello, Pamela, how's the

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Speaker 5: Your mother's came to black men.

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Speaker 13: It's a good day.

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Speaker 8: Actually, Hello mother, Harry, you look lovely.

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Speaker 2: You came from Washington.

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Speaker 8: I did. I had some research to do it. Mayo,

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Speaker 8: you look awful, Harry. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: How are the girls?

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Speaker 8: Sally and Nancy are busy as ever, Susie is protesting everything,

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Speaker 7: Isn't that something?

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Speaker 8: Mom? I'm struggling. Can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 5: You can ask me anything, Harry?

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Speaker 8: What do you do when you need answers? But everywhere

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Speaker 8: you turn you only get more questions?

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Speaker 2: Questions have gotten you this far, Harry. Don't stop asking now.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hi, Hello, ladies, ladies, thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: I'm Linda Coffee. I'm one of your attorneys. As you know,

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Speaker 4: ro Wade is a class action suit on behalf of

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Speaker 4: also know, There's been some disagreement over who exactly is

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Speaker 4: We've asked you here so you can decide who it

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Speaker 4: have agreed to abide by your decision. Mister Lucas, you

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Speaker 13: Hello, ladies, thank you for having me. I was more

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Speaker 13: have your best interests at heart. I really do, and

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Speaker 13: as they say, it is your right to choose your

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Speaker 13: own counsel. I'll try to keep this short. When I

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Speaker 13: come on otherwise. Only now that Missus Weddington has realized

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Speaker 13: has she decided to back out of that arrangement, an

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Speaker 13: arrangement that's beneficial to all parties, but mostly to you, ladies.

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Speaker 13: Now forgive me for being blunt, but the stakes are

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Speaker 13: too high for false modesty. I understand this case better

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Speaker 13: than anyone. I know the legality of abortion better than

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Speaker 13: any lawyer in the country. That's what I've devoted my

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Speaker 13: that justices will take seriously. Moreover, while missus Weddington and

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Speaker 13: the case in Dallas by committing errors a first year

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Speaker 13: same thing at the highest court in our land, the

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Speaker 13: justices will eat them alive, and they'll have set the

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Speaker 13: movement back fifty years. This case is too important. This

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Speaker 4: Just refute it all, Sarah, point by point. You got this.

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Speaker 3: Hi there, You all have been nice enough to come

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Speaker 3: to waste your time. I'm gonna be honest. I honestly

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Speaker 3: don't know if I'm the best person for this job.

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Speaker 3: But bewarey you, of anyone who says he is. Mister

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Speaker 3: Lucas's resume is better than mine, no question, But this

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Speaker 3: case isn't going to be one on resumes. I need

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Speaker 3: to tell you all something, something I've never told anyone.

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Speaker 3: My daddy doesn't know by Mama either or Linda. Four

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Speaker 3: years ago, I got pregnant.

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Speaker 14: Mmm, you've got Oh please, Nancy. The song is about

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Speaker 14: Buddy Holly, Richie Allens and the big pauper.

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Speaker 8: No, it's not Susie.

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Speaker 15: It's about JFK, RFK and MLK passed the potato.

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Speaker 16: Not so loud, girls. Your father has a headache. He

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Speaker 14: All day February. Made me shiver.

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Speaker 17: Their plane crash was in February, and I am with Nancy.

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Speaker 17: The courtroom was adjourned, no verdict was returned.

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Speaker 8: That has got to be a Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're both so dad enough, Sorry, sorry, daddy.

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Speaker 8: It's not often anymore that the whole family's together for dinner.

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Speaker 8: I have a question for all of you. It occurred

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Speaker 8: to me, I don't know your opinions on something, and

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Speaker 8: i'd very much like to what are your views on abortion?

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Speaker 3: Is this for a case?

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Speaker 8: Never mind what it's for, Just tell me, honestly, Dottie.

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Speaker 8: Let's start with you.

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Speaker 16: Oh, I don't know, Harry. It's complicated. I suppose as

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Speaker 16: a mother, how could I be for it? The death

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Speaker 16: it's a tragedy. But whether or not it's a crime.

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Speaker 14: What crime would it be?

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Speaker 3: Mom?

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Speaker 14: Murder?

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Speaker 18: Are you not?

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Speaker 5: Shut up?

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Speaker 14: Susie?

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Speaker 8: Let mom speak.

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Speaker 5: I want to hear the new lawyer's way in, Sally,

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Speaker 5: what do you think? I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Can I pass?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 5: I cannot say you can, Sally.

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Speaker 8: Fine, Sally passes. Glad to hear all that tuition we

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Speaker 8: pay as well spent, Harry, move on, I'll go, Thank you, Nancy.

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Speaker 15: We talked about this a lot at Radcliffe, Daddy. I

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Speaker 5: Do it themselves.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it's just I'm not done, Susie.

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Speaker 15: To me, the real issue is who gets the power

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Speaker 15: a crime, right, throw the doctor in jail or the woman.

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Speaker 15: But that sort of gives the unborn baby more rights than.

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Speaker 8: The mother, well said Susie. In no doubt have an

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Speaker 14: Yes, here's my answer.

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Speaker 17: Whatever a woman wants to do with her own body

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Speaker 17: course you would say that, Susie, So you wouldn't give

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Speaker 15: If she was a minor, her baby, her body, her choice.

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Speaker 18: Heck, if it were up to me, I'd make abortion

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Speaker 17: And you know it would be too if men were

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Speaker 14: Jesus, you are so.

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Speaker 17: Starved for attention.

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Speaker 4: You know that I would.

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Speaker 14: I swear I would. Why are you asking us?

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Speaker 8: Daddy's the court going to take a side?

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Speaker 5: You know your father can't discuss that.

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Speaker 17: Sally, okay, but if you are going to dive into it,

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Speaker 8: What does that mean, Sally?

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Speaker 17: It means you can't be your usual ivory tower, overly

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Speaker 4: Dad.

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Speaker 5: It's too emotional for people.

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Speaker 17: You need to make room for emotion too.

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Speaker 5: That's not his job, Sally.

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Speaker 3: You know, don't tell her what she knows.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, have you thought about that? Harry eat? You've barely

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Speaker 9: I think I need to.

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Speaker 4: Go, I know, all right? Quiet down, ladies, Sarah, are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just dumb. Let me gather myself a second.

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Speaker 3: As I was saying, ladies, four years ago, I got pregnant.

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Speaker 3: It was the hardest decision I ever made, and I

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Speaker 3: We had some trouble finding the place. It ended up

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Speaker 3: What is this place? Will anyone find out? Well I

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Speaker 3: the side effects, the stuff I could carry around for

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Speaker 3: the rest of my natural life because of how well

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Speaker 3: or poorly the next forty five minutes goes. It's something

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Speaker 3: I bet a lot of women in this room understand.

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Speaker 3: I've never told another soul about this, not until this

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Speaker 3: very moment. But not a day passes that I don't

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Speaker 3: think on it. I started this case because it seemed

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Speaker 3: like just about the only way anybody was gonna let

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Speaker 3: me practice law. But I I hope you believe me

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Speaker 3: when I tell you that it's not true anymore. I

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Speaker 3: can't separate myself from this issue any more than I

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Speaker 3: can separate myself from my own skin. I'm as invested

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Speaker 3: in this cause as any of you are, and I

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Speaker 3: will do everything in my power to help us win. Ladies,

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Speaker 3: mister Lucas has quite a resume, no doubt about that,

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Speaker 3: and he's an important part of this team no matter what.

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Speaker 3: But when he says he understands this cause better than anyone.

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Speaker 3: I think you can see why. I just don't agree

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Speaker 3: with that. What's taking them so long to decide?

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Speaker 4: Just think about something else?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Look at Roy over there, looking so smug.

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Speaker 3: Just once in my life I'd like to feel as

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Speaker 3: confident as he always looks.

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Speaker 4: Just relax. The plaintiffs will have their decisions.

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Speaker 18: Sound, We're finished talking. Now we have an answer we

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Speaker 18: want Sarah.

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Speaker 19: Yes, Hey, Sarah, go get him.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Supreme. The Battle Farah from iHeart Podcasts, created

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Speaker 1: and written by Aaron Tracy, directed by Rachel Lunter, starring

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Speaker 1: Maya Hawk, William H. Macy, and Abigail Breslan, also featuring

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Speaker 1: William Fickener as Warren, Felicity Huffman as Dottie, Charlie B.

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Speaker 1: Foster as Charlie, and Luke Herby as Roy. Executive produced

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