1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into All Ball. I'm Doug Gottlieb. I'm so 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: glad you downloaded this podcast. Um. We try and make 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: it different than other podcasts. There's great ones that cover basketball. 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes I have an NBA guest, sometimes with a college 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: basketball guests. Sometimes we provide insightful analysis, and I think 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: we'll leave that really to next week. You know, I'll 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: say this about the rumors about Anthony Davis and the 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Lakers is um, this is what you need to know 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: about trade rumors and trade requests. Nothing happens by accident, right, 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: nothing happens by accident. What's that mean? Something else is 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: at play in order to get that conversation started. Whether 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: it's the Celtics reaching out to the Pelicans and making 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: overtures towards Anthony Davis, or maybe the Chicago Bulls of 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: course want to bring Anthony Davis home, or maybe it's 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's some frustration that the Pelicans are unwilling to 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: accept some sort of low ball offer or lower ball 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: offer from the Lakers. You know what co Tavia is 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: calledwell Pope and brandon Ingram and they don't want to 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: include anybody else. Whatever it is, My guests in the 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: NBA with a name like Anthony Davis suddenly before the 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: trade deadline when he's not a free agent, popping up 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: as he wants to play for the Lakers. Lakers need 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: to make it happen. These things don't happen by accident. 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Somebody leaked the story and leaked it with a purpose, 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: and my guests would be that there have been overtures 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: made by a couple of other teams. I'll believe the Celtics, 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: maybe the Lakers, and there's some energy there and that's 28 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: why the story gets out. In college basketball, we're about 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: to hit Christmas break time, and while we've seen Duke 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: take on Texas Tech, and we've seen Gonzaga lose to 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: North Carolina but beat Duke and lose to to Tennessee 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: as well, I think we're getting a pretty good gathering 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: of the top ten or twelve teams. And we had 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: Eric Musselman on last week. Must of course an amazing story. 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: If you haven't downloaded that pod, feel free to do so. 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: It's great. You know, his dad was a longtime college 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: coach who became a pro coach in the NBA with 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Timberwolves, and Muss himself started in pro basketball 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: fresh out of playing at us D University of San Diego. 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: I want to go the opposite route this week. Natoates 41 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: is the head coach at Buffalo. They just beat Syracuse 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and on Saturday, and you know, listen, you may have 43 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: downloaded this pod on Friday morning and you didn't get 44 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: a chance to listen to it till Saturday or Saturday 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: afternoon when you're driving with family over the weekend. So 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how they'll play against Marquette as he 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: returns to his home state and nearly his hometown. He's 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: from Watertown, Wisconsin. But Nato It's is the opposite. Dad 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a coach, you know, doesn't have family and the 50 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: coaching and he with the opposite of Aleric Musselman. He 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: didn't start in the NBA. He started Division three basketball 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: and then went to high school basketball where usually guys 53 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to get out unless you ride coattails, which 54 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: he kind of it. And the coattails is it sounds 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: like a negative, but you have players, you produce a 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: bunch of players, and somebody wants to get players from 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: your area and respects he was a coach. They bring 58 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: you on the college game. That's that's what happened. He'll 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: he'll tell his story, but NATO's is the head coach 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: at Buffalo. They're a tremendous story. They ranked fourteen in 61 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: the country right now. And last year, of course, the 62 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: upset Arizona in the n c A Tournament. You're not 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: going to believe. I'm gonna believe the stories that he 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: has to share um over the next hour or so. 65 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: It's a long pod. But as many of you are 66 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: driving around and your love ball, you went to download 67 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: with this podcast, and as you love ball, you're gonna 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: love the stories of Division three basketball, State of Wisconsin basketball, 69 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: going to high school basketball in the state of Michigan, 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: working for Bobby Hurley, how he how he came to 71 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: meet the Hurlies as a high school coach in Michigan, 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: and what it's been like to take over and in 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: the last five years five and a half years ago 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: from being a high school coach at Romulus High School 75 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: in Detroit, Michigan, to being a wildly successful DIVISI from 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: one head coach where they go on the road and 77 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: beat Syracuse at Syracuse and if you watch the game, 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: they were the better team. Even Jim Beeheim said as 79 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: much after the game. I should point this out. Make 80 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: sure you at least try and listen to my radio show. 81 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: We have a pod as well, if you like that 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: sort of thing. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's on 83 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. You can download the I Heart Radio app. 84 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: You can listen to it on Sirious there's a Serious 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: two seventeen x M two oh three or any of 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: your Fox Sports Radio affiliates. You can also download the 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: pod where we have full show and we have individual interviews. 88 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: And if you've ever listened to my show, we don't 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: actually talk that much about college basketball. We'll talk NBA, 90 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: a lot of NFL getting ready for the weekend. So 91 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: it's Doug gotlib Show, Fox Sports Radio three to six 92 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: Eastern time, twelve to three Pacific everyday Monday through Friday. 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: And of course this All Ball podcast is a great one. 94 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: I thank my good friend Colin Cowherd for allowing us 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: to be a part of the Herd podcast network. Before 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: my interview with Buffalo head coach Nate Oates, let me 97 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: take a second to talk to you about safe driving. 98 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Everyone knows the risks of drunk driving. You could get 99 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: in a crash. People could get hurt or killed. Thousands 100 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: of people are killed in drunk driving crashes every year, 101 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: but that still doesn't stop everyone. You could get arrested, 102 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: you could incur huge legal expenses, and you could possibly 103 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: lose your job. We all know the consequences of drunk driving. 104 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: But one thing is for sure, you're wrong. If you 105 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: think it's no big deal. Plan ahead, don't take chances 106 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: and don't drive drunk, drive sober, or get pulled over. 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: Paid for by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. So 108 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: without further ado, let's let's talk to one of the 109 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: most successful high school coaches in Michigan, Michigan's recent history. 110 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Plus he's become an incredibly successful Division one head coach 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: over the last three years at Buffalo. Here's my good friend, 112 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: head coach of the Buffalo Bulls Natotes. Let's welcome in. 113 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: He's the head coach of the fourteenth ranked team in 114 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: the country. Four team with a bullet that's because they 115 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: went in. They beat Western New York I guess rival 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: um Syracuse as uh. They go in, collect the check 117 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: and collect a win, which is for those of us 118 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: and obviously people listening to the All Ball podcast, No Hoop, Like, 119 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: that's arguably the hardest thing to do in the sport 120 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: is to win a guarantee game and then do it 121 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: in the Dome against Syracuse. That's exactly what what Buffalo did. 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: Date NADOs is our guest um from five years ago 123 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: when you joined Bobby Hurley staff at Buffalo to going 124 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: in and when you beat Syracuse. The thing that that 125 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I think jumps out to people who and I think 126 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: the d n C terman last year obviously last year 127 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: so and people knew you were good, but that five years, 128 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: like to walk on that court and to be coaching 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: in front of, you know, the dome of thirty people, 130 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: what's that experience? What what's did you have any moment 131 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: where you're like, holy crap, this thing has happened really fast. Yeah, 132 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: you know what. I didn't really but I uh, you know, 133 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: I get touch from former teachers at Romuli. I'm still 134 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: cool with the administrators and kind of think it's true. 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: I just ended up. I think June tenth was my 136 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: first official start day and uh working for the University 137 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: of Buffalo. So it's been like just over five years 138 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: and six months till you know, I was getting the 139 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: paycheck back at Rhymulus, you know, five and a half 140 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: years ago, So it was a little crazy, I think. 141 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, my first years at coach we went into 142 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: Duke and played at Cameron, went into Hilton, played at 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Iowa State. So we we've we've been in some places 144 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: already at this point, you know, once the ball goes out, 145 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: it is kind of cool that we're going to the Dolm. 146 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of got a little bit of 147 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: mystique about it. It used to be a Syracuse fan 148 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, actually, as that was kind 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: of everybody kind of everybody was, right, Like I grew 150 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: up in southern California and we had my dad sent 151 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: some guys out to play, you know, my Hopkins play 152 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: for my dad. Nay, you so Scott McCorkle and and 153 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Big East basketball was the only thing on on Monday, right, 154 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: so you'd watched and watch Monday, you know. Yeah, like 155 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: we're about the Dame age. I I I saved my 156 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: paper up money bought myself a TV because everybody else 157 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: in the house did want to watch basketball every single 158 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: night of a week. So I had my own TV. 159 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, I was all fired up for acc Big 160 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: East Monday. And wasn't step Thompson was from California, wouldn't he? 161 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: They little? Yeah, they had it was Stevie was I 162 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: think the first, uh. And then you know they had McCorkle. 163 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: McCorkle followed Hopkins. They were both modern day guys. Laurn 164 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: ellis actually transferred there from from Kentucky. Uh So yeah, 165 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: they've they've always they always, you know, and then you 166 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: know fast Bard to Jason Hart and some others, but 167 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: they've always had some California guys. And I think honestly 168 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: it was the powerful the power of Big East, Big Monday, um, 169 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: and that you know, we we we never watched West 170 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Coast teams play. We just didn't you watch East Coast 171 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: teams play. And you know, uh, what's his name? Kevin? 172 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: And uh, well I just got fired at at Yukon. Um. 173 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: You know he's Kevin Alim easy because California kids we 174 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: watched and and they cared. Right. That's the other thing 175 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: is they always they always cared. Let me let me 176 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: ask you about growing up, okay, because like, look, I 177 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about your team this year some but 178 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: to me, it's yeah, we have. I have a lot 179 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: of coaches and friends in basketball and people's stories and 180 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: and and their makeup and philosophies they have. I think 181 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: our our ads are more interesting than your actual team, 182 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: not that your team stinks. It's really good. Um. So, Watertown, Wisconsin, right, 183 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: that's that's your hometown. Yeah, that's my whole town. Okay. 184 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: So I was born in Milwaukee. My dad was head 185 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: coach at w M about when you were about when 186 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: you were that, yeah, ye he that's crazy. When when 187 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: was your dad dad coach with w MIGHT one? Yeah 188 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: I was born, Yeah, I was right there. When when 189 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: when were you born? And you were born at seventy 190 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: I was, I'm seventy January seventy six baby. So um yeah, 191 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: So Columbia Hospital and I think it's the Clatchy Center 192 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: or whatever the place on campus. Yeah, used to go 193 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: to games at the class Key Center. Yeah, so he 194 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: actually opened that building and then an eight one title 195 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: nine passed and they went D three until bo Ryan 196 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: came back when they went back to D one. Um, 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: and so he left in eighty one. But yeah, he 198 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: had he had one. I think I think he had 199 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: won twenty win season or whatever. I don't know. I'm 200 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: playing is an independent playing everybody. So he used to 201 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: share war stories. So Watertown is like helped me out. 202 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: I think it's what's right between Madison and Milwaukee, like 203 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: straight straight west of Milwaukee, like if you went on 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: to Madison, it's right there in between, stright right off 205 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: the interstate. And it's like you mentioned how you had 206 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: a TV in your room. My brother had one in 207 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: his room. That's where I would go watch my hoo. 208 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: Uh was your dad your dad, your mom with a 209 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: in the ball or they just think you're crazy? No, 210 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: not really my dad Uh, neither one of them played. 211 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: My dad's guys PhD in theology guys PhD down at 212 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: that Trinity in Deerfield, so he's to do the college 213 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: professor and real smart, almost genius like, but not in 214 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: the basketball at all. You know when I played, I 215 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: played in high school. They don't think they missed any games, 216 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: so they really supportive of me. And my mom used 217 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: to watch basketball with me, but no, neither one really 218 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: into it. I just I don't know. It's kind of 219 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: found the love. I fell in love with it. I 220 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: was doing that in fifth grade. I's like Division three, 221 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: which I wasn't a Division one player, but I love 222 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: playing from my best friends are still my college college 223 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: teammates tonight. I just fell a load with basketball. And 224 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: about about when I was, you know, fifth, six seventh grade, 225 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: that's when Syracuses started to get rolling with Sermon Douglas 226 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: throwing lives and Stevie Ronnie Cycle right, all those put 227 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: the Yeah he did the best, he threw the best. 228 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: Allies who didn't? And was that what? What was that 229 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: eighty seven? Was that eighty seven was in the dome? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 230 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: and you as well. Yeah, that was when I was 231 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: in sixth grade, because I I graduated from eighth grade 232 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: and eighty nine, so that's like exactly when I was 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: getting really getting into basketball. So it's kind of crazy. 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: And then I got to go back and coaching the Dome, 235 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. I mean they had a 236 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: stat on you know, I go back and break the 237 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: film down. It's TV copy. This that was Beheim's forty 238 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: third years the head coach. Like I'm forty four years old. 239 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: It was. That was a little crazy to make you 240 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: want you want you want to know something crazier. This 241 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: this one's a weird one, Okay, so Beeheim, h Beeheim 242 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: and Bernie Fine went to school with my mom, and 243 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: my mom dated another basketball player for a while, and 244 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: so they kind of all and in the in kind 245 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: of the same pack u at at Syracuse. My dad 246 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: actually went to Syracuse for years. He was he was 247 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: six years old and my mom went to Syracuse for 248 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: a year. His story was he was a walk on 249 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: the on the men's team, and on the freshman team 250 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: he took a charge on a scholarship player and got 251 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: kicked off the team because they were told under no 252 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: uncertain circumstances where they to take a charge in a 253 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: in a scrimmager in practice, and so he so he 254 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: he I don't think the kid got hurt. I think 255 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: it was it was a rule, and he got kicked 256 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: off the team. And so he went he transferred and 257 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: went to a high state where he's a walk on 258 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: when havel Check and U and those guys went to 259 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're back when Bob Knight was there. But anyway, 260 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: that like Jim beeheims old enough. He's coached as long 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: as you and I have been alive. And yet he 262 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: went to school with my mom at Syracuse, and yeah, okay, 263 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: so so then you went to Who'd you play for? Marionatha? 264 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: So Marionatha for people who don't know, it's it's a 265 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: back to school. It's in Watertown, thou and students are 266 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: a little bit less, right, yeah, a little bit less. 267 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: So it was a small school they got. Coach's name 268 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: was Jerry Terrell, eas since passed, but he the thing. 269 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: The thing was like, you know, my dad's a professor there, 270 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: and they had a Mayrineth Academy, like a prep school 271 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: associated with the college. So that's where I went to 272 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: my high school years like nine through twelve. So the 273 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: high school and the college were kind of intermixed, you know, 274 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you say, shared some of the same buildings, we shared 275 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: the same gym. So I he was he kind of 276 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: helped developed my love for the game. Like I used 277 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: to go on road trips, Like I literally would jump 278 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: in the van, you know, Division three try to fifteen 279 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: passenger vans to the to the way games. Like he 280 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: used to have me jump on the vans and go 281 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: to road trips. Whether I'm sure it was a violation, 282 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: but back then, I don't think nobody in three are there? Yeah, exactly. 283 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: So I when I was in high school. I was 284 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: like jumping in the vans and going with the college, 285 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: and I just like loved being in it. You know, 286 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: obviously at the Division one level there's a lot more 287 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: scouting and all that, but I like back back then, 288 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: I just love being around it and listening to the 289 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: coach talk and coach and so then I played four 290 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: years and then coach Terrell took me on as an 291 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: assistant immediately after I was done playing. You know, I 292 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go play for money anywhere. So I was 293 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: an assistant Marionath for three years. And then now now Marion, 294 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to I want to erupt, Okay, is 295 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: Marion Ath. Division three basketball in Wisconsin is really really big. 296 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Like I have a friend who gave Frank who played 297 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: at Steven's point um and the Ryan's of course, yeah, 298 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: he could really shoot, he couldn't move it all. We 299 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: were not at that level. So you're you're right the 300 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: Division three basketball Wisconsin that Steven's Point Platteville, Whitewater, Green Bay, 301 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: Well Green Bays Division one, but like the Division three 302 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: up Dick Bennett goes from Steven's Point to Green Bay, 303 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: bo Ryan goes from Platt to Milwaukee to Madison does 304 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: really well, Like the coaching was big, So that's where 305 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: I actually kind of graduated in coaching. I went from 306 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Maranatha to Whitewater, which was the closest u W system school. 307 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: All those Division three schools were big schools and really good. 308 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: So then I coached for two years at Whitewater a 309 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: guy named Dave and R. Muwan let me come on 310 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: as a coach, and then Pat Miller, who's the coach 311 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: there now, Me and Pat were assistant and then Dave 312 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: retires after my first year in Pat takes over when 313 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: I was passed the system for a year before I 314 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: moved to Detroit and became a high school coach. Okay, 315 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: so so so taken back to that. And and by 316 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: the way, you met your wife in college, right, and 317 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: that's my Yeah, she came from Colorado, so she's from 318 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: like four Collins, Colorado. She was a volleyball player, so 319 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: we were, you know, in the gym all the time together. 320 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: So she's she wasn't really in the basketball, but I 321 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: wasn't really in the viball And now I got more 322 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: in the vieball and my daughter plays viball. My wife 323 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: saw and U college basketball now kind of pick up 324 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: one on your on your on their interests. So so no, 325 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: that's where I met her. Now we got we actually got. 326 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: I got married like right away after Caliet married at 327 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: twenty three. I got a matter of fact anniversary. How 328 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: was the how I got married? Happy? Hold on? Hold 329 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: on wait, let's let's make let's just this is gonna 330 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: drop tomorrow. So December, happy anniversary. That's amazing. How many 331 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: years this year? Crazy? And I want to get to 332 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: obviously you guys. I want to get to your guys 333 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: story in a second. So which which you know I've 334 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I've gotten a chance to talk about in the past, 335 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: but not in thorough detail as we will hear. Okay, 336 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: So you're at Wisconsin Whitewater, you're coaching Division three. You're 337 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: insistent you've been a college coach for you know, half 338 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: a decade now, and how did you how did the 339 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: Romulus thing happen? Yeah? So there was a guy named 340 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Ed Horne. He was an American kid that that came 341 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: from Detroit out Marion Aptha was a college teammate of mine. 342 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: I actually coached him one year. He was a year 343 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: younger than me. So he was a teammate, and then 344 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: when I became a coach, he was still playing. We 345 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: got to be really close, like we were really good friends. 346 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: So and he actually married a girl that grew up 347 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: in Watertown, ironically enough, right next door to me. And 348 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: then she moved away to Milwaukee, but came back Marion 349 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: Atha and he ends up marrying this girl and Kelly, 350 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: Kelly Walts was her name. So me and Crystal and 351 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Kelly we actually lived like a block away from each other. 352 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: I was married and they he actually got married to her, 353 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: and I was like actually a married student. So he 354 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: moves back to Detroit and get the teaching job at 355 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: Romuels right outside Detroit. So me and him staying touched. 356 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Me and Crystal actually went and visited them. We um, 357 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, we we were cool. So we all of 358 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, he sends me an article day about the 359 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: Rhymes coach getting fired and it was kind of crazy thing. 360 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: He was basically like the school board that fired this coach, 361 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: and the article was kind of like he got screwed, 362 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: you know. So then that calls me and says, what's 363 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: the thing about the article? I guess sounds like the 364 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: guy got screwed too. Bad. You know, I wasn't thinking that. 365 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: He goes, what do you think that you should go 366 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: for the job. At that time, I was I never 367 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: was gonna be high school coach. I wanted to be 368 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: a college basketball coach. I was going to climb from 369 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: D three, D two to D one. But that's you know, 370 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that's really hard to do. But you know, you're young 371 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: and naive to think it's gonna happen. So I'm like, no, 372 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to high school. Like I'm not, I'm 373 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: not interested. So he kind of badgered me about it 374 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: over the course for a couple of weeks, and finally 375 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, So I said, I sent 376 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: him a power point kind of like my resume, like 377 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: I kind of pre prepared, and a matter of fact, 378 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: it was ironically enough, I remember walking were playing my cut, 379 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: but it was pet Ball was me and pat Ball 380 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: when the coach to Milwaukee now had gotten to be 381 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: really close, and he we shared some stuff and padded 382 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: to me as a power point kind of like the 383 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: job prop. And so I had gone through and switched 384 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and made it mine. You know, 385 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: my background I sent it to ed Ed was huge, 386 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: and he actually ended up becoming the technology director for ramuos. 387 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: Like he was really sharp. So he made my power 388 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: point look twice as good as it actually was and 389 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: send it on to the principal. And all of a sudden, 390 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: I got a call from the human resources director, Rymuels, say, 391 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: we're having interviews, Uh next week, I need you to 392 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: come out if you could on such and such a day. 393 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: I think it was a Thursday, and maybe they'd called 394 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: me Friday. Like basically, they slipped me in as an 395 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: as an extra, as a favorite to add. And then 396 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, screed, I'll go through the interview. 397 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: It's good to go to an interview process. I was. 398 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: I had zero intention of taking the job, though, So 399 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: I go out there and there was from what I heard, 400 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: there was like about a hundred people applied for this job. 401 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: They had a kid around and Coleman that was already 402 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: committed to Michigan. He was only a sophomore, so he 403 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: would add two years left. And there was there have 404 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: been four NBA players come out of Rhyme. It was 405 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: Terry Mills, John Long, Grant Long. So there was some tradition. 406 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: It was a good job and all these people applied 407 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: and they interviewed eight people. And when I win, like 408 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: I'm kind of competitively play more than kind of really competitive. 409 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: I told that I'm gonna make them offer me the job, 410 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: like I'm not losing this interview, Like they're gonna like, 411 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: like you're not even sure if you want to be 412 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: a high school coach. But it was going to make 413 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: the second choice. In my opinion, I was gonna make 414 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: them offer me the job and turn the job down. Correct, 415 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. But like the last thing you 416 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: want to do is go and apply for a job 417 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: that you don't really want but you're overqualified for and 418 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: not get it exactly. So so I go in and 419 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I you know, I made him off me the job. 420 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: They offered me the job. So then add adds, like 421 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: the ultimate salesman, he's a great guy. The uh, he 422 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: actually introduced me the team and he had done all that. 423 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: And I actually liked all the kids, you know, like 424 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: they I kind of had an affinity towards some inter 425 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: city kids and they in my eleven years a round coach, 426 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: I coached all minority kids. I never coached him you 427 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: know kids, So I kind of like I liked them. 428 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: We hung out for a little bit. They had me 429 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: teach a math lesson on that Friday because I think 430 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: they needed to know they wanted to teacher in the buildings, 431 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: so they didn't need to make sure I could actually teach. 432 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: So I that was no problem. I kind of hit 433 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: that out of the park. They offered me the job, 434 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: and it's making more like about five thousand dollars more 435 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: than I was making. I think I was making like 436 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: thirty six or thirty seven. I was actually teaching at 437 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: the public school and Watertown at the time and coaching 438 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: at Whitewater, and I think they offered me. I think 439 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: I went from thirty seven thousand, and I called my 440 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: wife and I said, you know what, they offered me 441 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: the job. I think I'm gonna take it. And she 442 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: she started trying like she heard horror stories about Detroit 443 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, when we went to visit 444 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: and Kelly gotten stolen, like she just no, I mean, listen, listen. 445 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean I tell people this story all the time 446 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: that I was in Israel. Plan I left the team 447 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: in Israel and I came to play for a team 448 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: in the A B A Phoenix and are I actually 449 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: met the team in Detroit, and we were staying in 450 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: downtown Detroit, were playing against the Detroit Dogs. Speaking of Syracuse, 451 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: Todd Bergen was on the Detroit Dogs. And never forget this. 452 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: I got twenty dollars a day per diem, and um, 453 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: when I get there, a guy named mass Track who's 454 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: an assistant with the Wizards. Now, he was like, yo, 455 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: you gotta go and get your food on your own. 456 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: There's McDonald's like couple of blocks from here. So I 457 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: remember broad daylight, walked down the street to get McDonald's 458 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: with my twenty dollars a day per diem. I felt 459 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: less safe in downtown Detroit than I ever did in Israel. Anyway, 460 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: So she's it looks so it looks like it looks 461 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: like bad Dad in parts of Detroit. I mean it's 462 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: so she's like, but she's she's great. I mean, like 463 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be when I'm at without Crystal. So she 464 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: he's a trooper and she so we moved to Detroit. 465 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: That we had no family, like nothing like my first 466 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in And here's the crazy thing. So as the 467 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: only guy in the when Detroit, me and at her 468 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: tight So I get there, literally, I think we would 469 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: buy a house and moving into like July, like like 470 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: a month after I get there. D tells me, I 471 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: feel like the Lord's led me in a different direction. 472 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: I took a youth pastor job back in Milwaukee to 473 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: his wife from Milwaukee. So I'm like what, So he 474 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: he convinces me to go to Rivulist and then he 475 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: leaves on me, and then he didn't like it. He 476 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: ended up coming back to Rhyme. You listen. He was 477 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: the technology director for the district when he got back, 478 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: and it kind of a sad story. Ends up getting 479 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: a he ends up getting cancer and he passed away. 480 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: Uh maybe four or five years after after I moved 481 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: to Michigan. It was I mean, so I still a 482 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I was texting with his son, and 483 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: son made and just moved out to California. But I 484 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: stayed in touch with Kelly and and his son and 485 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: his daughter, and that was that we could talk for 486 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: a couple of hours about that whole ordeal. But so 487 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm I end up spending eleven years in Romulus, and 488 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: all three of my daughters were born there and we 489 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of almost like a second home. Now Buffalo, I've 490 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: been now I'm going on here six in Buffalo, and 491 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: we feel like buffalows home now. But it's basically been wisconstant. 492 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: Eleven years in Detroit, now in Buffalo. I haven't had 493 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: to move all over the country like a bunch of 494 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: these college coaches. I don't really want to do that 495 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: with a family and stuff. So I've been fortunate. And 496 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade how I got to where I'm at 497 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: for anything because I couldn't play Division one. I wasn't 498 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: that good. But but I love the fact that I played, 499 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: like I wouldn't trade those Division three years for anything. 500 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: And I think coach in high school that has given 501 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: me a background that a lot of these guys in 502 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: Division one don't have. That I feel like it makes 503 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: me a little bit different and a little bit better 504 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: in some regards on some of the stuff. Okay, so 505 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: let's let's let's get to that. What what is it 506 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: about coaching high school? And that's that's an honest like, Look, 507 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: I have I have my own kind of theories and philosophies, 508 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: and I'm obviously I want to have you on because 509 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: of it. Um, I do think and I know there 510 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: are guys that have been successful who haven't played, you 511 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: know that they didn't play. Um, I played for one 512 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: coach in my life that didn't play, and that was 513 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: the coach that was John McLeod, and it was just 514 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: it was a very different experience from all the guys 515 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: who played and the and you can tell which guy's 516 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: really had a cerebral feel too to to having having 517 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: played not you know, not every guy that plays really 518 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: sees the game, if you will. But I also think 519 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: that coaching it. You know, this is in between my 520 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: year when I was at Notre Dame and I had 521 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: to leave and I went to junior college. I helped 522 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: out both of the junior college because I didn't I 523 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: didn't I just practiced with the team. So it's like 524 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: an assistant coach there. And then I was like an 525 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: assistant coach with my old high school and my high 526 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: school coach got thrown out of a game, so I 527 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: actually coached the second half and overtime of a loss. 528 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: And um, I mean is unbelievable experience. And I've coached 529 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: au basketball, so I do. I understand. I have my 530 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: own beliefs as to what you gained from coaching at 531 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: different levels, but but give me, give me yours. Tell 532 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: me why you think high school basketball has given you 533 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: a little bit different perspective than guys that have never 534 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: coached that level. Well, yeah, for multiple reasons. One of 535 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: them is that I lived in the and I didn't 536 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: live in Detroit, but I lived in Metro Detroit for 537 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: eleven years. Like I was in those housing projects with 538 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: the kids that went and did a home visit, I 539 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: had to go pick kids up. I had to take 540 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: kids then to live with me. When you know, shoot, 541 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: a kid lived with me for two years, is uh 542 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: get a gun pulled on him. He had a bad 543 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: living situation, His mother was incarcerated as his dad had 544 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: been shot and killed. And so like I, when I 545 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: finally picked him up after his Jove friend let me 546 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: know what was going on, I had to go pick 547 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: his stuff up from four different houses that he stayed 548 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: at over the courts of the last week. Like like you, 549 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: if you haven't been in those situations, like you can't 550 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: relate to those kids as well as somebody that's been 551 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: in sit you waitions like that. So for eleven years 552 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: I lived it. So I think I think it helps 553 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: with recruiting, be it helps with knowing the kids that 554 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm coaching now, and whether they're from as opposed to 555 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: somebody who's lived in suburban America that's never dealt with 556 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: any of the stuff that I dealt with for eleven 557 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: years around, So that that's one of the things I think. 558 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: But then it as far as strictly excellents to go 559 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: in high school, I can. I can experiment with all 560 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: kinds of different things without having the media second guest 561 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: my every decision. Like for instance, I we used to 562 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: me and my assistant Josh Baker, who was one of 563 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: my college teammates, and with add Me and Ed convinced 564 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: Josh to move out from Connecticut and he's still living 565 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: in Detroit. Merrity girl from there. They got five kids 566 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: and he's coach. He's won state championships at Selfield Christian now, 567 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: but he he was with me for nine years. We 568 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: used to go to watch either a college training camp 569 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: or or like an NBA training camp. I call it 570 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: college training camp like college preseason or an NBA training 571 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: camp every year. So we went out to Pepperdine. When 572 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: Vance Wolberg took over, I'd gotten an advance kind of 573 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: through his relationship with Cal Perry and you'd been really 574 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: friendly to us. With me and Josh ro home for 575 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: five days. They l a went to put I went 576 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: up there to pepperdine. So we came back and instituted 577 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: the whole deal. The dribble drive is pressing all kind of. 578 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: I liked the way it was. We had athletes at 579 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: rhyme this well. I think sixteen games into that year, 580 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: we were eight and eight and was by far the 581 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: worst record we've ever had. And I but but I 582 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: scrapped the entire pressing stuff, like I never pressed again. 583 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: Like it's just I I opened the floor up to 584 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, we're playing against Division one guards Knopie Trader 585 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: into Ohio State, Maurice Jones went to USC Like I 586 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: got all these guys that are shredding through the press. 587 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: Like it was in hindsight, it was really stupid, but 588 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: I got I got to experiment with it for like 589 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: sixteen games, right, So like now I know, Okay, Well, 590 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: we used to press. I think it helped my kids 591 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: play hard and we and it helped get the temple 592 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: up and down. But I think I think me and 593 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: Josh figured out after we quit pressing. I think we 594 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: won like something like crazy like of our games over 595 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: like the next five or six years. But it got 596 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: us to get our offensive temple off. But then we 597 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: we went back and just shrinking the floor against all 598 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: of them athletes at Detroit and just making them stay 599 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: outside the lane and shoot jumpers. But in high school 600 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: you can experience like if you do that, in college, 601 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: you're expected to win. Her Like, you can't really experiment 602 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: like that. I'll give you, I'll give you an example. 603 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: I'll give an example of how hard it is. Okay, 604 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: So Mike Bunton is a coaching to Mila Mater, and 605 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I know that this week he's put in his own 606 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: offense that he's he's changed a lot more of he 607 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: he's putting in a more of a dribble drive. And 608 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's been running kind of what Brad ran 609 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: when Brad was at Oaklhom State. It just doesn't fit. 610 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't believe it fits his personnel. And I mean, 611 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: look at how much they've struggled here in the non 612 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: conference trying to figure out what they want to do offensively. 613 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: And you know, uh, thankful for him. He got a 614 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: contract extension after his year and they had those all 615 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: those upsets last season but it's it's really really hard 616 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: to do. Whereas in high school basketball, like you said, 617 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: you can like, uh my, my, here's the here's one. 618 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: My brother was it was at San Diego State and 619 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: he uh he was in you know, he watched Wisconsin 620 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: play defensively in Sandy State has always because they're so athletic, 621 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: they always they just cut off half the floor, right, 622 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: they were they they they right. But even even before 623 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: they had Kawhi Leonard, they recruited a very high level 624 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: of athletes as transfers and so that, yeah, you have 625 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: all that length, you shut off half the floor. So 626 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: my brother was convinced that, hey, you know what, we 627 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: should play pack line because we have so much length 628 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: here that that if if we're making teams shoot over 629 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: a long arm and keeping him out of lane, we 630 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: already concentrate on rebound. Anyway, Steve Fisher gave him the 631 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: green light to you know what, you go study it, 632 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: you pay it. You know, you go to clinics, figure 633 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: out exactly when did you institute it. And they had 634 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: kind of the same thing at Sandia State. One year 635 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: they ran pack line for like, I don't know, ten games, 636 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: and then he came in one day like this ain't working, 637 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Let's get back to who we are. But yeah, it's 638 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: the high school thing. Um so so so eleven years 639 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: there how many state championships just one, Like I went 640 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: to five final fours, and like there's so many times 641 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: when I like we got upset or whatever, like I 642 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: wanted my last year because it was like I stayed 643 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: and actually I actually knew that there was actually a 644 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: set up question to see you now we yeah, But 645 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: seriously though, it was like that's the thing to like 646 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: people don't get like I've had a lot of success 647 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: here in my first four years at Buffalo, like I had, 648 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: I had teams that were more talented then the teams 649 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: that beat us in high school. Some years like it 650 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: like it happens like you shoot, I'll give you. For instance, 651 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: I had a kid, Jared Smith. I had two kids 652 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: committed to the University of Michigan. My my second year 653 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: at Rhymos, Jared Smith took over from me at Rhyme 654 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: as he played at Michigan. We're up four on Belvio's 655 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: are big rival. Now now they had like really good 656 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 1: talent too, but it was really a high level game. 657 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: We're up four with forty one seconds agoing just a championship, 658 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: Jared goes over fort the free throw and just the 659 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: kid going to Michigan, he goes over for the line. 660 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Last forty one seconds. We lose the game. Well we 661 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: got upset something. You gotta learn to lose a little 662 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: bit too, and you know you shoot. I remember I 663 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: was trying after the game. I'm like a girl man 664 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: coaching the team. Like. I went home and I cried, 665 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: like I was like that into into it, couldn't believe 666 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: like we got upset, like, but it happened. So I 667 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: went to five final four's I think before before I 668 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: got to drive, you know, they had won won a 669 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: state championship. Al Wickerson was the coach. He actually just 670 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: came out and saw me in Buffalo. I had a 671 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of friends back there that I made. But they 672 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: had Terry Milts so he was the national player of 673 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: the year, him and Jarry and eighty six. But they 674 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: had not I forget what the I think that was 675 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: the only time they had even won the regional though, 676 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: So we were winning at pretty high rate. But I 677 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: only want one state championship. Michigan basketball is really good, though, 678 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's Flint Sagon of Detroit, Ben the Harbor, 679 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: and tell missoo, so, what's the grand rapid test players. 680 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's good, but we we got upset a 681 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: few times. Um okay. So, if if my memory serves me, 682 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: it was your relationship that you had with the Hurlies 683 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: because of the recruitment of E. C. Matthews, Wasn't it? 684 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: Isn't that? How that? How? Alright? The first time? Who 685 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: do you need? First? Danny? Your botherly kind of crazy? 686 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: So I told you me and Josh always went to 687 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: like a college or an NBA deal in the falsehold. 688 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: When when Danny gets the job at Waggoner from St. Benedict, 689 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: I call. We said, hey, let's go out and like, 690 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: let's see if we can go watch Danny's practice. He 691 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: just went left high school. You know, we could probably 692 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: relate to what he's doing, and let's see if we 693 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: can do it when his dad's gonna be there. I'm 694 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: sure his dad will be there to watch help whatever. 695 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: So I called the Hagner Basketball offices and Bobby Hurley 696 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: answers the phone like you know, it's a low budget, 697 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: no secretary, So I I like, literally, Bobby early answers 698 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: the phone. When I called the Wagoner office, I couldn't 699 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: believe it. You know, you kind of grow up watching 700 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: these guys play. And so I explained to Bobby what 701 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: I want to do. And I want to get out 702 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: there on a weekend when your dad's gonna be there, 703 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: because I'd like to sit out with him for a 704 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: couple of hours if possible, If you guys could help 705 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: me arrange this. And and by the way, we've got 706 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: some players here too, you know, and you list off 707 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: all the guys that you've got that they maybe will 708 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: try to help you with recruitment or whatever. That always 709 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: gets you in the footing the door with the college 710 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: coaches where when you're a high school coach. So we 711 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: me and Bobby trade and cell phone numbers. We text 712 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: back and forth over the course for two weeks. We 713 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: we never figured out when his dad was gonna be 714 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: there when we could be there, so we didn't do it. 715 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: We went somewhere else that year. So two years later 716 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: they get the job of Rhode Island. Trust and Murphy 717 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: have been trying to recruit he see under the previous half, 718 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: but they were losing. You know, it's been rumored that 719 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: he might get fired, so EC wasn't gonna go there. Well, 720 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Danny gets the job. Now all of a sudden, we 721 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: kind of me and he sees sit down and talk 722 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: it over again, like, yeah, we should probably look at 723 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: Rhode Island now, Like Danny's big in player development, I 724 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: was huge in player development a rhymulis. That was kind 725 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: of our number one thing is we got in the 726 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: gym all the time developed players. EC was a big 727 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: Jim rat. So we kind of let Rhode Island back 728 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: into the picture to recruit him. Danny doesn't unbelievable job 729 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: recruit to him, him and Bobby and pressed him fly out, 730 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: Like I got to know Danny really well just because 731 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: he has the head coach took on and then me 732 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: and him related really well because I was high school 733 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: coach for that was year eleven for me. He had 734 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: been and I think nine years at St. Benedict. So 735 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: we hit it off. So they go through the year, 736 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: but one of their selling points was EC wanted to 737 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: be a point guard. Come learn how to be a 738 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: point guard under one of the best point guards in 739 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: college basketball histories all time, this leader, you know, Bobby Hurley. 740 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: So at the end of that year. You know, EC 741 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: commits to them in the fall, signs of them in 742 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: the fall. Bobby gets the job at Buffalo. So I 743 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: call EC down, you know when I when I get 744 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: the news out of whatever class and I'm like, here, 745 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: here's the dal Ec, Like Bobby's not there anymore, I 746 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: still think you should go there. He goes, yeah, I'm 747 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: a heart percent and me and Danny you're cool. I've 748 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: got a great relationship with Danny. That's all very cool. 749 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: So I fired text off to Danny and basically I 750 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: said this. I said, congrats on Bobby getting the job. 751 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: Two head coaches and two assistance of years are now 752 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: head coaches in Division one after three years out of 753 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: high school. That's, you know, super impressive, doing an unbelievable job. 754 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: Great job. Talked to ecs a percent all in, no 755 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: worries here, you know, call me when out. That's basically 756 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: the text. Because he is one assistant at State at Wagner. 757 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: So he calls me back that night and basically was like, listen, Nate, 758 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: all these people are hitting me up for jobs that 759 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe it. Like, I'm really happy for Bobby, 760 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: but I'm also really kind of disappointed that this is 761 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: a great three years spending time with Bobby. And if 762 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: you know Danny at all, he's real, like you know 763 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: you know Danny, So they're a real negative and talk. 764 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: He goes, Nate's like, the body is still warm, and 765 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: these people are texting me asking for jobs, like these 766 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: people have no feeling. Like anybody that texts me asking 767 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: me for a job today, they have no chap. I'm 768 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: not hiring any of them. And then he kind of 769 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: says to me, He's like, Nate, listen, I can't hire 770 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: another Michigan guy already got pressed him on staff. But 771 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: would you be interested in going with Bobby. I didn't 772 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: even bring it up like Danny brought it up. And 773 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: then I was like, yeah, of course i'd be interested. 774 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: So he says, listen, I gotta talk to him about 775 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: something else. I'm gonna call him. I'll get back to you, 776 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: like literally ten minutes later, he texts me. Danny's says, 777 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: Bobby is really interested. He's gonna call you later tonight. 778 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: He calls me. We end up interview with him at 779 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: the Final four. He hires me as his top assistant. 780 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: Kind of goes from there, all right, So then you're 781 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: you're on his staff and that's when we met. And 782 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: of course, um, two years in, you guys go to 783 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: the n c A Tournament with you know, a couple 784 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: of Michigan kids. Also your point guard, La Monte Burden 785 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: was the Milwaukee kid. Um, and so you are. And 786 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: and Bobby had had told me the entire time in 787 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: covering you guys in the n c A tournament that 788 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: you are a huge reason. Why one knowing you've got players, 789 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: but two because you've been a coach so long. He 790 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: hadn't even been away from the game for a decade 791 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: that he kind of leaned on you. Um, he decided 792 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: he goes to Arizona State. How did how did you? 793 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: How did you get the job? So? And Bobby was great, 794 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean he really like through the whole thing. He 795 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: was a hard per cent all in on me getting 796 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: this job. Like we he kind of had this plan 797 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: and we ended up getting getting into a year earlier 798 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: than we thought. Like loss ended up being really good. 799 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: My kid from while Rhymes there was Mcplayer of the 800 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: Year that year. So so he he's down Arizonna State. 801 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: They do the whole interview, well administrate you know, words 802 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: out and whatever. So the associate A D who's now 803 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: the a D at Auburn, Allen Green, It kind of 804 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: called me that morning like what do you know? Well, 805 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: I knew Bobby was at Arizona State. I knew he 806 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: was about to get the job. I think he just 807 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: basically had to get approved by the president down there. 808 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: And Allen's like, hey, what's going on, Like we we 809 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: need to know. Well, I'm back in Buffalo kind of 810 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: holding the fort down. But I'm not supposed to say anything. 811 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: And Allen's a great dude. Like I said, Allen, I'm 812 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: in a really bad spot right now. I can't like 813 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: like Bobby's my boss, but you know, so Alan's like, 814 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: they don't worry about it. Just tell me whatever you 815 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: can and then you know, I get it. So I 816 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: was like, listen, as soon as I know something for sure, 817 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: I'll let you know. Bobby with the president and there's 818 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: a state he put his stampo approval. Now he's gonna 819 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: Bobby wants to meet with the team that that afternoon 820 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: like that like four thirt year five, not me with him, Uh, 821 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: phone call because they want to do a press conference 822 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: that night. So I had to get the whole team 823 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: up there in Bobby's office, and and that's what I 824 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: call Allen back. I'm a Allen. Bobby wants to do 825 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: a speaker called with the team at you know, five 826 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: or five o'clock, you know, just stuff. Why I like, 827 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: so then somebody had leaked it. I don't know who 828 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: will Danny White, I saw, I got it. Whether it 829 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: ends up getting a little you know, the time he 830 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: with that stuff is always bad. There's never a great 831 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: way to do that stuff. So Allen and Danny, Danny 832 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: White was the idea at the time. He's now in 833 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: Central Florida. So they come up. Well, Alan came up 834 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: to the meeting with the team. So Bobby kind of 835 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: lets the team know want to speaker on a conference 836 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: call that he took the job at Arizona State. Allen 837 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: told the team, wait here, you know, we want to 838 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: talk to you. So Danny White talks and Danny comes 839 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: to me right away. Danny says, hey, Nate, I want 840 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: to name you the interim coach if you're cool with that, uh, 841 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: and then we'll figure out what's going on from there. 842 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: I'd like to interview you for the job if you're interested. 843 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, of course, like I'm all that, he goes, 844 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: all right, listen, I want to talk to the team. 845 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: You wait here. So him and Allen talked to the 846 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: team for fifteen twenty minutes and I kind of wait. 847 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 1: Then he puts it out to the media on the 848 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: interim head coach and then he literally me and him 849 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: had like a three hour interview that night, like I 850 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: think I left the office like maybe like nine o'clock, 851 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: and we talked about everything, and then any part of 852 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: it was you know, staff, I've only been individual one 853 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: for two years two years ago was at the high 854 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: school coach. If if I was to hire you, what 855 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: would your staff look like? So then I had to 856 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: kind of I went home and had to start my 857 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: wheels are splitting. I gotta get somebody, you know, guys 858 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: that he wanted. He didn't give me any the specific 859 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: names that he wanted somebody with some experience if he 860 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: was gonna hire me. So that's how I got ahold 861 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: of Jim White Soul, who I had known, who had 862 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: just got fired at St. John's. He had been a 863 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: head coach at Oil in Chicago for seven years. So 864 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: so on Thursday night, I talked to Jim like late, 865 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: Jim's interested. Friday, I bring Jim's name to Danny. That'spen's 866 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm looking for. We fly Jim out Saturday morning. Meanwhile, 867 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: me and Danny have a whole another round the interviews 868 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: on Friday, and I'm thinking, man, I got a shot 869 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: at this like Saturday, and so I texted Danny Friday night, Hey, 870 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: I know how to do the recruiting deals for players 871 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: I've never recruited in a system before. Meanwhile, I'm not 872 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: the head coach yet, I said Jim Swine in the morrow, 873 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: how how do we do this? How are we gonna 874 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: He goes, all right, meet me at the office, Like 875 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: I think nine o'clock Saturday morning, we'll figure out. I 876 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: think Jim landed at eleven. So I mind you, I'm 877 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: not the head coaching. I'm literally bringing Jim out. So 878 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: I meet him to go over how we're gonna like 879 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: do this whole day with Jim and his wife Connie, 880 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: and uh. I go in and we don't talk anything 881 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: about Jim, Like he got another hour of like questions 882 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: that he that he wants to ask me, and then 883 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: then then he basically says, Nate, I'm hiring you like like, 884 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: I said, great, like he goes, We've got a press 885 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: conference at like eleven, so we I've got Jim white 886 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: Cel on campus. I just get the jobs. And basically 887 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: Danny was great. He said, nat if you don't want 888 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: to hire these guys, because by that time I brought 889 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: Daniel Marshall's name to him as well, because he thought 890 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: it'd be good to have somebody with experience. He thought 891 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: it would be good to have somebody with a with 892 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: a name because Bobby Early had a name and it 893 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of got it gotten off the ground. And so 894 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: I ended up hiring Daniel Marshall and uh, Jim Whitesell 895 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: and those you know, and we had you know, we 896 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: go to the n c a turn out first year. 897 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's how it happened. I mean it 898 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: was fast. It went from like can I give you 899 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: another Can I give you another angle to it that 900 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: you don't even know about? Yeah? Okay. So so Bobby 901 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: is uh at Arizona State, like you said, waiting for approval. 902 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: And I talked to Danny because I just covered you guys, 903 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: and he said, what do you think of our job? 904 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I was kind of all in on 905 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: the sunny Buffalo deal. Just you know, it's the largest 906 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: state institution in New York, and I thought it had 907 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: I thought, I honestly thought that because of New York 908 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: and it being so different than the other schools in 909 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: the MAC, I just felt like it was potentially the 910 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: best job in that league, whereas the rest of that 911 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: league they're all kind of the same, you know, and 912 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: there's there's look like, oh, how you I think is 913 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: interesting because it's more of a college town than you know, 914 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: accurate and Kent kind of fight over the kind of 915 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: the same space or whatever. But the point is that 916 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the MAX schools kind of look the same. 917 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: And then I I felt like Buffalo was a little 918 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 1: bit different. Right, It's just different New York, right, So okay, 919 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, so anyway, so we this is like this 920 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 1: is probably a couple of nights before you had that 921 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: visit where you sat down with him whatever. Anyway, so 922 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: he's going through like names of guys, you know, I 923 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: we we could pump it up to five thousand for 924 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: for Bobby, maybe a little bit more for Bobby, but 925 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, all these other guys like I can't get 926 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: that much money for other people? What should you know? 927 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: What should I do? When I was like, well, who 928 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: do you want to hire? So I said who do 929 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: you want to hire? He goes, I'll be honest with you, 930 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: Like Bobby told me that Natoates is doing a ton 931 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: of the coaching and that he knows exactly what he's doing. 932 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: And I'm an idiot to not just hire NATO's He's like, 933 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: but does that you know? Like you know, I'm a 934 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: young a d like, this is a big hire for me, 935 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,320 Speaker 1: Like hiring Bobby Hurley was a big thing. If I 936 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: just hired the the the assistant that was a high 937 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: school coach a couple of years ago, Like, how is 938 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: that going to look? And I was like and he 939 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: and then he said, you know, but I you know, 940 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: he interviewed the players, right yeah, and they were all in. 941 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: He said, every player said, every player said, if you 942 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 1: hired Nate from staying And I said, look, you shouldn't 943 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: hire a guy just because guys are staying. I was like, 944 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: but if you've seen a guy work and you think 945 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: that guy works, like I kind of feel like the 946 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: answer is right there in front of you. I was like, 947 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: I think you have a good job. But I think 948 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to sell somebody on a good job, 949 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to hire somebody who hasn't been 950 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: a head coach. I was like, so, if you have 951 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: somebody who knows your culture, knows the players, and has 952 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: actually been a head coach, albeit not at the college level, 953 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: like maybe the the the answer. It's like, there's a 954 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: book called Blink. Um. Yeah, yeah, I'm all right, and 955 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: and so that's I called. I was like, you know, 956 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: the whole idea of Blink and he was like yeah, 957 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: because and by you know, for people don't know Danny White. 958 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: Of course, now the a d at Central Florida played 959 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: at Notre Dame after I played at Notre Dame, so 960 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: there was kind of that little connection or whatever. Um 961 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: leading three point shooter Notre Dame histories one for one 962 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: and so he went here. So he uh he uh. 963 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: I said, you know the book Blink. He's like yeah, 964 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, sometimes the obvious answer is the 965 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: first answer. I said, yeah, that that out the right, 966 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: the first answer. I said, yeah. I was like, I 967 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: was like, look, and I didn't know you that well. 968 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: I was like, but all I can tell you is 969 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,280 Speaker 1: you got really good players, You've got a really good culture, 970 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: and like, the last thing you want is to have 971 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: to start that thing over and you go back to 972 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: being you know, sunny Buffalo instead of Buffalo, you know. 973 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: And he and so he texted me like a couple 974 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: of days later, you know, like I'm hiring Nate, Like 975 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: I'd love your support. I was like, you know, like 976 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not. I don't know if I was 977 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,439 Speaker 1: on in Buffalo at the time, my radio show or whatever, 978 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: but anyway, that's that's the other side too. Um okay, 979 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: so there's another appreciate. I didn't say, in all honesty, 980 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: I didn't say because he was asking me. I was like, shoot, 981 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I think the job is really good. 982 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: And I started kind of and in my mind I 983 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: was thinking my brother. I was like, but that wouldn't work. 984 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: He's a West coast guy. To get the East coast. 985 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: I start thinking of guys. I was like, but you know, 986 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: then the more you hear somebody talk, you're like, well, 987 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, you have the answer right there. And 988 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: in all candor, like didn't have to pay a ton 989 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: of money, right money, And I told him that. He 990 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: told me in the interview, dat if I give you 991 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: this job, I'm gonna put a contract in front of you. 992 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: There's no negotiation, you're signing, said, of course, I said, 993 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: I want a chance. I don't care what you pay me. 994 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: Like that was the I was the lowest paid a 995 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: coach in the league. I didn't care. I was a 996 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: high school teacher two years ago. Like, none of that 997 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: mattered to me at the time. The thing about Danny though, 998 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: that that that's great is he never treated you and 999 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: he didn't treat he didn't treat you like your contract 1000 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: right there. There is something to that. He was great. 1001 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: And in my business, Nate, in my business, there are 1002 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: I think one of the issues that some places run 1003 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: into is my first job at ESPN, Like there was 1004 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: a little negotiation, but I remember, like to do basketball games, 1005 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: there's a you know, we'll pay a little bit. We'll 1006 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,479 Speaker 1: pay a thousand dollars to do this, a thousand dollars 1007 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: to do something. I was like, fine, great, I just again, 1008 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: same thing. I just want opportunity. There are some places 1009 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: or some bosses that judge you based upon well, hey, dude, 1010 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: look you should just I remember, you know, I remember 1011 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: my my first contract negotiation re up negotiation at ESPN 1012 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: where uh you know I made I think I made 1013 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: I made. I mean, you know, in reality, I made 1014 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: a good amount of money. But it was like my 1015 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: contract was for radio and basketball, right, and then all 1016 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: in by the end of the third year, with all 1017 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: the extra things that I had done, I was up 1018 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: to like two fifty and and my the first contract 1019 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: offer was like, hey, we're gonna pay a two fifty 1020 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: flat for like three years. What do you think? And 1021 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm already making that with my current contract, 1022 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: and and their thing was like, hey, dude, you know 1023 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: three years ago you were you know, you were making 1024 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what it was like, you know, 1025 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: a hundred grand doing radio in Oklahoma City and TV 1026 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,719 Speaker 1: and and like this is this is you know a 1027 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: d More was like yeah, but I actually anyway, my 1028 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: point is I think I always thought of is fascinating 1029 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: that Danny uh never he's he's an unbelievable guy, and 1030 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: that he never treats you like he treats you like 1031 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: you were the head coach in the second year, the 1032 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: head coach with an immense amount of respect. And it 1033 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: was just based upon the economics of scale where he 1034 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,279 Speaker 1: was like smart. He look speaking of smart, I mean, 1035 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: look at look at the hires he's made. Shoot, look 1036 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: at the Central Florida football coaches. All right, So he's 1037 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: he hired Bobby Hurley, he was doing a pretty good job. 1038 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 1: He's probably got the best team in the Pack twelve 1039 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 1: right now. He hired myself, he hired Lance light Bulb, 1040 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 1: who just went tennant too in football at Buffalo. And 1041 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: then he hired two football coaches that Central Florida have 1042 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: gone on defeated. So it feels pretty good to be 1043 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: one of the one of Danny white tires. I think 1044 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: he knows what the heck he's doing when he hires coaches. 1045 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: But he was good though, Like like you said, he 1046 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: kind of gave me some you know, he's always used 1047 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: to call me the ball coach, headball coach, almost like 1048 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: I needed a little like, you know, hey, your Division 1049 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: one head coach, now, buddy. He was good. He was 1050 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,479 Speaker 1: good that way. Though. I still like, I still text 1051 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: with Danny. I still fake him for giving me an 1052 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: opportunity and both him and Bobby boats. I mean, Bobby 1053 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: didn't have to hire me on high school and Danny 1054 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: didn't have to give me the job. So sometimes you 1055 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: gotta get some breaks and make sure you think the 1056 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: people that gave you a break when you get them. 1057 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: So for Piston, and I think some people remember the story. 1058 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: You get the job. This is two years removed from 1059 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 1: being a high school coach, you know, thirteen years removed 1060 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 1: from being a Division three assistant. Thinking this, I want 1061 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,919 Speaker 1: to know, climb the ladder. You get this dream job 1062 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: and then your wife, your wife is sick. Yeah, Danny 1063 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: was really good with that, Like I like literally, so 1064 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: I got called I we're having a staff me and 1065 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: I'm standing up kind of. I got a TV in 1066 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: my office. I'm standing up at the TV. It was 1067 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: like a touch screen whether that's where we used like 1068 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: the white board flash TV. And also my phone just 1069 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: kept vibrating on my desk, you know, like over on 1070 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: the other side. So I finally went over and look 1071 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: it was like my wife's called like sick times. I 1072 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: think I said, hold on, Fellas, I gotta grabbed this quick. 1073 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: Let's see what's going on. I call it. She's like 1074 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 1: sobbing like and I had known she had had some 1075 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: like her lymph nodes were a little swollen, but I 1076 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: we thought. It was like you know when nobody ever 1077 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: thinks she got cancer, Like she's like, yeah, She's like, 1078 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: I got cancer. I needed to come home. So I 1079 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,320 Speaker 1: I stepped back in the office and my felse, I 1080 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: gotta go, like, um, wrap up the mean I didn't tell, 1081 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go. I'll be back. I go home. 1082 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: And that was that was tough, Like it was really, 1083 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, we pray together, it'll be okay. So I 1084 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: go back to the office, you know. And I said 1085 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 1: it right then that day, like, look, if you want 1086 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: me to quick coaching, like oh she and she was 1087 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 1: like right up front, no, absolutely not. There's your dream job. 1088 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 1: You're not doing that. Like we'll get through this, you know. 1089 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,800 Speaker 1: So she was good. I I go back and I 1090 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: meet with Danny. I'm like, Danny, like Crystal's got just 1091 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,320 Speaker 1: got diagnosed with some phone on, like I don't know 1092 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: what to and and he right away was like, look, 1093 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: I'll make calls to whoever. You know. He Danny was 1094 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: well he had everybody so like the med school, dean, whoever. 1095 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: And He's like, I'll call whoever I can if you 1096 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 1: need some help. So I said, I'll let you know 1097 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: if we do. I appreciate it, so like literally the 1098 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: next day then I came in, hey, if you don't 1099 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: mind calling them, like we we'd like to get, you know, 1100 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 1: as many experts as we can and trying to do 1101 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: to his call. We were able to get immediately in 1102 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: like basically the president of Roswell Park Cancer It's called 1103 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: me like the day after she gets diagnosed, because she 1104 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: got diagnosed from a different place because we didn't think 1105 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,760 Speaker 1: she cancer. So so I've got the president and they 1106 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 1: put me right in touch with the head of their 1107 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: lamp foma department. We were in like that weekend they 1108 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,240 Speaker 1: and then we find out it's not just one foma 1109 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,800 Speaker 1: like when foma is pretty treatable, but it's just double 1110 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,920 Speaker 1: hit laing foma, which is terrible. So like even now 1111 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,840 Speaker 1: if you google double hit laing foma, like the odds 1112 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 1: are not great, but Oswald is really good. It's top 1113 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: fifty cancers to in the country, so that they got 1114 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,960 Speaker 1: on it immediately and she's been two and a half 1115 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 1: years cancer free now, so oh yeah, we went through 1116 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,879 Speaker 1: a lot, but there's but but there's there's there's more though, 1117 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: right like again there's the there's the there's the can' 1118 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,839 Speaker 1: there's the getting the job, there's the cancer, and then 1119 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 1: you had to get rid of Justin moss r. Who's 1120 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 1: your who's your best player? Your best way? Shannon Evans 1121 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 1: follows Bobby to Arizona States's like, hey, here, here's your 1122 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 1: dream job. But um, your your best return guard. Yeah, 1123 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: so it was more than that. So, like I don't 1124 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 1: know if you remember Torry and Graham, that was the 1125 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: Arizona State that the average about. Yeah, he was coming 1126 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,720 Speaker 1: to Buffalo. He was he was said he was a Buffalo. 1127 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah he was at Buffalo. He was sitting out at Buffalo. 1128 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,800 Speaker 1: So he goes there Arizona State. The kid MAURICEO. Field 1129 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: had signed with US and committed to US. He gets 1130 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: out of his letter to go to Arizona State. Shannon 1131 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: Evans goes the Arizona State and and and Bobby's you know, 1132 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 1: me and Bobby are typing and Bobby still talk all 1133 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,879 Speaker 1: the time. So like, I want Bobby to be really 1134 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,560 Speaker 1: successful in Arizona State, like Shute, if I if I 1135 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: don't do well at Buffalo, I might need a job. 1136 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,839 Speaker 1: Like like I'm not gonna you know, if these kids, 1137 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: if these kids want to go there, I'm not gonna 1138 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 1: fight him, like I've never been that way. If a 1139 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,480 Speaker 1: kid wants to leave, like even when I was at 1140 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: Rhymelis like I think I had one, one or two 1141 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: kids transfer if you don't think it's right, like I'll 1142 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: help you, like I'll help you get to another spot. 1143 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm so so three kids that were supposed to play 1144 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,240 Speaker 1: at Buffalo are now playing at Arizona State. Justin Moss 1145 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: gets kicked out. I had a kid nate to have 1146 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: a gatto that it's signed with us, and that was 1147 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: the deal. Like like when you talk to Danny. Danny's 1148 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: sitting down with me going through the roster, like, hey, 1149 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 1: are these kids that signed in a calm? Are these well? 1150 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 1: Like what you know? I had gone through and told 1151 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: them that this kid's a d percent staying Like I 1152 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: called Nick Perkins. Nick was my recruit out of h 1153 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: He yeah, but yeah it's Lanny. But he had he 1154 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: had signed with us when Bobby Early was like coach, 1155 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 1: so I still had to make sure like hey, so 1156 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,880 Speaker 1: I call mixed people, look if I get the head jobs, 1157 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 1: Nick still coming and they were all like, yeah, a 1158 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: hundred percent in so and he was great and he 1159 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,440 Speaker 1: did come. But then I also had another one, Nate 1160 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: Nevigata ends up going to Toledo. So we had five 1161 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,000 Speaker 1: guys that we thought were gonna be playing at Buffalo 1162 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: that and then I'm not playing at Buffalo my first year. 1163 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,320 Speaker 1: So I I literally I had five open scholarships my 1164 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,440 Speaker 1: in the spring going into my first year. Well, one 1165 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 1: of those got filled with c J Massenburg, who turned 1166 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: out to be okay, so you know, we get a 1167 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: little bit luck your fortunateth, how did you? How did 1168 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 1: you find c J? How do the CJ thing happened? 1169 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: So so this is crazy. So so I get hired 1170 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: that weekend and I got hired. Was there's only two 1171 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: live weekends in the spring. The first one was when 1172 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: I got hired, so I didn't have staff I was now. 1173 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,440 Speaker 1: I got hired Saturday during the live weekend. So the 1174 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 1: second weekend I had me and Jim White, Sol and 1175 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: Don Yell I think had been hired. But but but 1176 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,479 Speaker 1: basically we had a skeleton staff because it happened so fast. 1177 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,680 Speaker 1: So I'm out, I'm out. Where was I at maybe Louis? 1178 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember any anyways, wherever I was at Dusty 1179 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: May that's that coach at porta Atlantic to me, and 1180 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 1: Dusty used to be the assistant at Eastern Michigan and 1181 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,400 Speaker 1: Dusty had been friends for can you a matter of fact, 1182 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: there's another angle on the deal. I had sent a 1183 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 1: player of mine too, Dusty and Mike White, Danny White's brother, 1184 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: one of my rhymes players, went and played at Louisiana Tech. 1185 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: And Dusty was the lead recruiter on it. And so 1186 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: I I knew Danny White's brother, Mike. Hopefully Mike helped 1187 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: me out when I got the job with Danny, you know, 1188 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: but I had known that. So Dusty go says, hey, 1189 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 1: do you have scholarships? I said, yeah, I got it. 1190 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: So five he goes, all right, there's a kid they 1191 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 1: had just taken the job at Ford. He goes, there's 1192 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: a kid were recruited that we in an attack that 1193 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,360 Speaker 1: we just decided we weren't gonna move on. But he's 1194 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: pretty good and he's available. The kids c J Massenburg 1195 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: and he's playing as an available up in Indianapolis. He said, 1196 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 1: do you have anybody up in Indie? And I said, yeah, 1197 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: White fils up there. He goes, well, see if he's 1198 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: you don't see if he can look at this kid Massonburg, 1199 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 1: and you might want to look at him, you know, 1200 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of one of those deals. I called Jim. I'm like, look, 1201 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: you gotta go watch I think it was Lone Star 1202 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 1: Leads playing for I said, there's this kid Massonburg that's 1203 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be an available can can you try to 1204 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: figure your schedule? I would go. So he goes, okay. 1205 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 1: So he was up watching him, I think three times 1206 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 1: that weekend. So he comes back he's like, yeah, he's 1207 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,280 Speaker 1: probably good enough, like you know, you know, he he 1208 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: wasn't like super excited, but he was like, yeah, he's 1209 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: probably good enough. I said, all right, well let's get 1210 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,920 Speaker 1: him on a visit, because too, we've got five scholarships 1211 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: wed there ain't that many availables out there. We gotta 1212 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: fill these scholarships. So we bring him on a visit. 1213 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 1: And the only school, the only other offer he has 1214 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 1: on the table's prayer of view A and M and 1215 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: and and wait. He told me later, like I think 1216 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: he had to, you know, act like at least there 1217 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: was something else out there for him. He told me 1218 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: later that he wasn't going there. He's gonna go to 1219 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: junior college. If we had come in So we we 1220 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,439 Speaker 1: bring him in and I tell c J, like, hey, listen, 1221 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 1: you know we've got some guys back. You know. I 1222 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 1: don't look because I've never seen him play in person. 1223 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 1: All I saw was videotape. I said, would you be 1224 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,840 Speaker 1: open to red shirt in your freshman year if you know, 1225 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,960 Speaker 1: if if that's what? And he I can tell he 1226 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 1: didn't really want to, but but he's a great kid. 1227 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,600 Speaker 1: So he said all the right thing. He's like, look, coach, like, 1228 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: I just want to get in a program and get better. 1229 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,960 Speaker 1: Like I'll do what you want, but I just want 1230 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 1: a chance, like like, as long as you tell me 1231 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,480 Speaker 1: I've got a chance that I can come in and 1232 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: earn minutes. And I said, yeah, of course, Like I'll 1233 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: give I'll give you a shot. Like so he comes 1234 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,400 Speaker 1: in a freshman year and dropped seventeen a dud because 1235 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: a freshman, and scores thirty six games Ohio as a 1236 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,520 Speaker 1: freshman and guy, so I gave him a shot. He 1237 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,760 Speaker 1: heard it. He's been pretty good ever since. That's that's amazing. 1238 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: That's amazing. No, And it's like, look, he didn't do 1239 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: to that and and and as you know, he didn't 1240 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: go to a small school in the South South of Cliff, 1241 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:59,439 Speaker 1: which is great football program. Goodt Yeah points a game, 1242 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Like I don't know how that happens, but I'm glad 1243 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,200 Speaker 1: it did. Yeah Yeah, and he's and he's playing for 1244 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:12,200 Speaker 1: you at Buffalo. When you played Arizona last year, what 1245 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: was that Like that was a little bit surreal to 1246 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,240 Speaker 1: be asked with you because like, obviously they've got DeAndre 1247 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 1: and they've got Raley Awkins, They've got you know, we 1248 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: had recruited Rallies. Jalen Harris's high school teammate had committed 1249 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,000 Speaker 1: to US and then he committed. He's now playing I 1250 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,440 Speaker 1: think he transferred from New Mexico Arkansas it. But so 1251 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I had seen Raleigh enough in high school and these 1252 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: dudes like a grown man. And they've got Blonzo Trere 1253 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,080 Speaker 1: who just signed it three year deal. I think with 1254 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: the Knicks, like the teams loaded. So like when we 1255 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: get the draw, you know, we've got this selections show 1256 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,840 Speaker 1: on Sunday night and we're all out at the at 1257 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: Santaur's of the local place, and I see us come 1258 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 1: up as a thirteen seed and I'm I'm I'm like 1259 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm a little picked off, Like in my mind I'm like, 1260 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 1: we were not a thirteen seed, like we we were good, 1261 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,360 Speaker 1: like we we you know, we we were eight knowing 1262 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,920 Speaker 1: the man, we were fifteen and three overall, Like I 1263 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: was thinking we had a chance to be in eleven 1264 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: or maybe at twelve at the lowest. Then we get 1265 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 1: a thirteen and then they showed the four seed that 1266 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,520 Speaker 1: we got matched up with, and it was Arizona, and 1267 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like like literally like I think if 1268 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: you went back and look at the video, like you 1269 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: can tell I'm not really excited. You know, you're supposed 1270 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 1: to give a fist pump, like I tried to act 1271 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,280 Speaker 1: like I was. I was mad, like I like, we 1272 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,720 Speaker 1: got screwed to how how do they put Arizona's a four? 1273 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: They should have been like at two or three maybe, 1274 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: like I was thinking they were a two, And then 1275 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,840 Speaker 1: they gave us a thirteen. So so I had to 1276 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: put on the right front in front of the team. 1277 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 1: So then I get back to the office right away, 1278 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: we started looking at film and I I actually legitimately 1279 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: convinced myself that we we had a legitimate shot to 1280 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: win this game because because they didn't shoot the three well, 1281 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: so with the way spacing is and you can are 1282 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,800 Speaker 1: you can take away the lane. In college, there's no 1283 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: three second in the lane. I so I we got 1284 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: a game playing together the next morning, Monday morning, we 1285 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,040 Speaker 1: told the guys why we were gonna win the game. 1286 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 1: We were a great three point shooting team. They have 1287 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: two bigs, they play all the time. They can't guard 1288 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 1: as Jeremy's got a mismatch. What what they can't stay 1289 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,600 Speaker 1: in front of you? West there? You know that. I 1290 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: went through the whole deal, and here's what we're gonna do. 1291 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 1: We put the whole thing and I convinced myself we 1292 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: had a shot. I convinced the team we're gonna win. 1293 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 1: And then but then you still when the ball goes up, 1294 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 1: he's still a little uncertain. I mean, this kid kids 1295 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,920 Speaker 1: the number one picking the draft, and they got all 1296 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,280 Speaker 1: these other pros around them, and so I to when 1297 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,800 Speaker 1: when we set that shot to put us up twenty five, 1298 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,320 Speaker 1: was like, with two minutes to go in the game, 1299 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 1: and it finally hit. I did the math click. I'm like, damn, 1300 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: we're up twenty two. I better get these guys out 1301 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 1: of here so somebody doesn't get hurt. In the last 1302 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,840 Speaker 1: two minutes of this game. So we've gotta shot to 1303 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: beat Kentucky. I said to the ref, like I said, 1304 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: if this shot goes in, I want to time out. 1305 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 1: What the three and I call it time out and 1306 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 1: it's get all the walk on at that that was 1307 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the point when I was like, you got we just 1308 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,760 Speaker 1: bet we're up five on Arizona. That that's ridiculous. I 1309 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 1: don't know how this just happened, but that was a 1310 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: little bit absurd. What did what did you learn from 1311 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,920 Speaker 1: the Kentucky game? Because I you know, the the thing 1312 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 1: is that I'm I'm just guessing because I thought you 1313 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 1: had a great shot of Kentucky, and I think probably 1314 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 1: right the thought thought the same. But there is something 1315 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: to there. There's two different parts to it. One here 1316 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: here's what's crazy about it. Wherever you go the rest 1317 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: of your life, no matter if you do or don't 1318 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: win more n c A tournament games, and this year's team, 1319 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 1: you probably will people say like, man, you guys had 1320 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,000 Speaker 1: that great run one year, right, like, yeah, we won 1321 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,960 Speaker 1: one game, but that's okay, just right right? Um, But 1322 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,920 Speaker 1: but but you end up putting so much into it 1323 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,080 Speaker 1: and as you know, they need do the post game, 1324 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,040 Speaker 1: all the media stuff and the kids. Everybody's just exhausted. 1325 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 1: And even know you had an assistant who was prepping 1326 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,880 Speaker 1: for whoever won the Kentucky game, you know, most likely Kentucky. 1327 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,360 Speaker 1: It's just it's very, very hard to come down from 1328 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,360 Speaker 1: that high and then locking in on the second game. 1329 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,320 Speaker 1: There's there's a there's there's a magic to pulling up 1330 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,480 Speaker 1: the second win is exponentially harder than the first win. 1331 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,920 Speaker 1: Was there kind of a lesson for this year and 1332 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 1: for future years learned from from the Kentucky performance. Yeah, 1333 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 1: like we you know, we're I thought I had, you know, like, 1334 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,320 Speaker 1: so we took the guy's phones. We I said, you 1335 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,680 Speaker 1: got basically after the game, Like you guys got about 1336 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,600 Speaker 1: two hours that I said, because you'll have everyone you've 1337 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,440 Speaker 1: ever played basketball with your entire life hitting you off, Like, 1338 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 1: go ahead and enjoy it for a couple of hours. 1339 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,640 Speaker 1: We're taking your phone so you can actually get some 1340 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,800 Speaker 1: sleep tonight. What which in the hindsight that I still 1341 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,200 Speaker 1: think that was the right decision. I probably should have 1342 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: somebody take my phone though, Like, like you know, I'm 1343 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 1: on Scott van pelso everybody wants to interview me, Like 1344 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,200 Speaker 1: the next day because that was the late game was 1345 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,640 Speaker 1: a big upset so and Buffalo basketball still was not 1346 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,640 Speaker 1: on a national level. So I felt like to promote 1347 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: the program, I gotta take all these like how am 1348 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 1: I going to turn down all these national radio talks? 1349 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 1: Like I basically was like taking everyone. I didn't get 1350 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 1: to watch that much. And I'm a big Stone guy. 1351 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: I love. I mean, I study all kind of I 1352 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,840 Speaker 1: could take all kinds of notes. I didn't do a 1353 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 1: very good job in myself prop the other thing, I 1354 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,080 Speaker 1: should just shut my mouth too, I said. I Oh, 1355 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,720 Speaker 1: I said something so stupid. There's a high school coach 1356 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,960 Speaker 1: back in Detroit that it kind of texted me after, Hey, 1357 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,480 Speaker 1: go go beat cal Perry. He's been whining about how 1358 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,120 Speaker 1: an experienced they are all he had said that, like 1359 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,120 Speaker 1: before the Arizona games, take Arizona, then go beat I 1360 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,080 Speaker 1: can't you know whatever? So I said, like, you know, 1361 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 1: people ask me, what do you think about your matchup 1362 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: with Kentucky? When I said, what cal Peari has been 1363 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: whining about how young and an experience they are, and 1364 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,000 Speaker 1: and we're not young in the experience. We've got older 1365 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,680 Speaker 1: guys West the fifth year senior. I kind of said 1366 01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,040 Speaker 1: it like that, and I I have no just I 1367 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: actually like Cal. I don't know what you know everybody 1368 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 1: else says, but I went down there when he was 1369 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,040 Speaker 1: at Memphis. That's why I went out to see Walberg 1370 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: when I was a high school coach, because I loved 1371 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,800 Speaker 1: the way Cal played at Memphis, and I've always respected. 1372 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,200 Speaker 1: I didn't mean disrespect by that, but but it came 1373 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,920 Speaker 1: cross like stupid, and I shouldn't have said it. I 1374 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: apologized to Cal before the game. I had kind of 1375 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: worldwide West and swim by our hotel and I had 1376 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 1: known him for my Detroit days, and I said, listen 1377 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,840 Speaker 1: helped me make this stay right with Cal. He said 1378 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: he was cool, but but I should have said that. 1379 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,880 Speaker 1: I had Big Blue Nation. They're still probably all over 1380 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 1: me on Twitter like they were killing me. But I 1381 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 1: think he kind of woke Kentucky up a little bit too. 1382 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure Cal used it and they came out, and 1383 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean Kevin Knox. I remember the first one. He 1384 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 1: drives to the baseline, pulls up on on our guard 1385 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,440 Speaker 1: and it was like a six nine to garden. He 1386 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,360 Speaker 1: just rides up over the top and drills like a 1387 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,200 Speaker 1: fifteen footer and I'm like, man, he's gonna do that 1388 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,400 Speaker 1: all night. We're in trouble, and then they couldn't. They 1389 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,760 Speaker 1: like one of shooting teams in college basketball, all of 1390 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,160 Speaker 1: a sudden that night they can shoot. I think they 1391 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: went over six against Davidson. You know, when we'll be 1392 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,760 Speaker 1: there and then all of a sudden, they're making their 1393 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: shots and we can't hitting it. We were in the 1394 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,120 Speaker 1: same so I don't know about eight minutes ago and 1395 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 1: then and then it got got opened up then. But 1396 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,080 Speaker 1: I do think it's really hard to focus in after 1397 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,720 Speaker 1: you win that first round. Now if now with this 1398 01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,840 Speaker 1: year's team, if we're able to get back to that 1399 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,120 Speaker 1: spot again, I think having that experience once will help 1400 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 1: immenseally the second time you go through it. Tell me 1401 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 1: if you think I'm wrong, Um, I mean feel feel 1402 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,880 Speaker 1: free and I know you've got things that you have 1403 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,040 Speaker 1: to do, so if you have to go, you tell me. Um. 1404 01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: I feel like college basketball, the VCU and George Mason, 1405 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 1: those they weren't flukey, but they were unbelievable runs and upsets. 1406 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,360 Speaker 1: And it was the beginning of this with older players, 1407 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 1: guys that have nothing to lose, playing against young guys 1408 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,800 Speaker 1: who are gonna be pros. And you know that the 1409 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,599 Speaker 1: older guys were confident and they won some of these games, right, 1410 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,880 Speaker 1: Because I feel like now's just not that much of 1411 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 1: a talent gap. Like I saw you guys against Syracuse 1412 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,599 Speaker 1: and I like, you know, Brissette and uh Dola, y'all, 1413 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,760 Speaker 1: I think is is tremendous. I don't. I actually think 1414 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,680 Speaker 1: their style. I know they recruited their style, but I 1415 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,160 Speaker 1: think their style sometimes allows teams of inferioror talent. You know, 1416 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,080 Speaker 1: you play a zone, somebody else gets to set the 1417 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,840 Speaker 1: tempo if they want to play fast, point play slow. 1418 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,720 Speaker 1: You can't speed people up. That that's Benheim and I 1419 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,639 Speaker 1: have had long discussions about it, but my my point 1420 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,439 Speaker 1: was really if you watch now, one because of the 1421 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,040 Speaker 1: age and experience that you have and mid majors and 1422 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,280 Speaker 1: low high majors have, and too because the high majors have, 1423 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, they've been so there's been such a purge 1424 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,639 Speaker 1: to the NBA that I just I don't think there's 1425 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: that big gap. I think that you and you know Nevadas, 1426 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,760 Speaker 1: their average ages like twenty three years old. I think 1427 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,960 Speaker 1: like it's a reality that you guys are a top 1428 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,519 Speaker 1: fifteen team I don't think it's flukey at all. I 1429 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,160 Speaker 1: feel like the sport has come around to some of 1430 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,840 Speaker 1: these programs. Obviously, Gonzaga is a different level. They're like 1431 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,840 Speaker 1: the best of both, right, they recruit the high level 1432 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,960 Speaker 1: guys and they get four and fifth year guys and 1433 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,320 Speaker 1: some foreign guys as well. But I feel like this 1434 01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 1: is like, this is the area now where you're gonna 1435 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,760 Speaker 1: have You're gonna have the always had the Dukes, and 1436 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna have the freaks and the Kentuckis and the freaks. 1437 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,760 Speaker 1: But outside of that, like you're right there talent wise 1438 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,920 Speaker 1: with just about anybody. My crazy I said that after 1439 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,840 Speaker 1: the Syracuse game, and I think some people took it 1440 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,439 Speaker 1: the wrong way, but I said, I feel like we 1441 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,320 Speaker 1: got the better players. Like it wasn't you know. I 1442 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: respect coach Barns. He's almost one of thousand games and 1443 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,360 Speaker 1: he's really good and that's gonna be a pro. And 1444 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: Bant is really good. But you know, I clarified it. 1445 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,720 Speaker 1: I've got fourth year guys, fifth year guys, Like we've 1446 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:47,040 Speaker 1: got grown men that's only a sophomore, Like he's really good, 1447 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,479 Speaker 1: tells a sophomore too, right, the same same thing, like yeah, 1448 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,720 Speaker 1: so so that's what I meant, Like, I mean, I 1449 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 1: still feel like that. I'm not like when when we 1450 01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,719 Speaker 1: talk about players one through nine, I played nine players 1451 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,680 Speaker 1: in that game, Like I'll take my one through nine 1452 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,200 Speaker 1: over there, like and I affirm we believe we're better now, 1453 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,439 Speaker 1: part of it as we're older and part you know, 1454 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: and and the other thing is like they're able to 1455 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,160 Speaker 1: recruit to McDonald's American at syracuston. We're not going to 1456 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:21,240 Speaker 1: get that buffalo. But sometimes the recruiting rankings aren't. Look 1457 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 1: at I mean, look at c J. Massenburg, Like, I mean, 1458 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:30,400 Speaker 1: take a take a freshman McDonald's Americans on some team here, 1459 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,200 Speaker 1: Like you're trying to tell me that now, some of 1460 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: them are unbelievable. Obviously they're playing great in the whole deal, 1461 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 1: but take some other ones that sometimes it takes a 1462 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,920 Speaker 1: while to adjusted college basketball. CJ is better than something 1463 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,240 Speaker 1: some of those freshmen that were like top twenty recruits, 1464 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: Like I take c J over him, like like like 1465 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: here's here's the honest discussion. Okay, One, he's played a 1466 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,599 Speaker 1: ton and because he played at a little bit lower level, 1467 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,479 Speaker 1: I know he played well against Duke is freshman here 1468 01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,680 Speaker 1: but that experience gain gains confidence. Um, and you know 1469 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,559 Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't. A lot of these other kids, 1470 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 1: they go somewhere, they recruited the same level as him. 1471 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 1: You mentioned Jalen Harris, right, he goes to recruit him, 1472 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,600 Speaker 1: he goes to New Mexico. Then he transfers and he 1473 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,120 Speaker 1: sits out. So now he's at Arkansas, he's averaging nine 1474 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,160 Speaker 1: and a half a game. As opposed to had he 1475 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,519 Speaker 1: come to the MAC. You know, by now he'd be 1476 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,320 Speaker 1: in what his he'd be a junior and he would 1477 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 1: have played right away and gained confidence and you know, 1478 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,280 Speaker 1: you learned from doing and he probably would have been 1479 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: a double digit, you know, high level All League type 1480 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,240 Speaker 1: of player. And so there is something to the development 1481 01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,120 Speaker 1: when you can be an alpha earlier in your career 1482 01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,320 Speaker 1: so that you're a you're a better player, and that 1483 01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,920 Speaker 1: that actually proves out in the NBA as well. How 1484 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,599 Speaker 1: many guys that have gone to a slightly lower level, 1485 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,600 Speaker 1: where even a substantially lower level, gained that experience And 1486 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe they weren't better players coming out, maybe they are 1487 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,479 Speaker 1: properly evaluated, but their improvement because they got to do it, 1488 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,759 Speaker 1: and because they got to take some of those shots 1489 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,960 Speaker 1: and missed some of the shots earlier in their career. 1490 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,600 Speaker 1: They became better players because of it. But what and 1491 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,559 Speaker 1: I'm a mid major coach, I have to make that point. 1492 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,720 Speaker 1: Like you know, my I've got an agent and they've 1493 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 1: got in their office, they've got ton of the intern 1494 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,600 Speaker 1: So I had him do a project for me a 1495 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,880 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Like they went through all the NBA, Right, 1496 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,559 Speaker 1: there was over eighty guys in the NBA that went 1497 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,400 Speaker 1: to mid major schools. But like you said, like let's 1498 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,920 Speaker 1: say Steph Curry goes to North Carolina, do you think 1499 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the player he is? Like he wasn't 1500 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,000 Speaker 1: big and strong enough to play at North Carolina's a 1501 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,599 Speaker 1: freshman year, he got he got, he got to fail. 1502 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,720 Speaker 1: He got to. He got to fail his he had 1503 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: to fail some of his first year. He got to. 1504 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,599 Speaker 1: And then you know he stayed. Remember he stayed through 1505 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: his junior year where he got to play the point. 1506 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,320 Speaker 1: But his first two years he did not play the 1507 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,800 Speaker 1: point guard position. He was he was a two and 1508 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:47,200 Speaker 1: he never never play It was a small yeah, like 1509 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,000 Speaker 1: come on, like like those guys, I mean, if he 1510 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,280 Speaker 1: goes to Duke Kentucky. I mean, obviously he could because 1511 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 1: they didn't offer him. But let's say that they had 1512 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: like he can't play it those like like he he 1513 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,600 Speaker 1: wasn't physically, but now looking at him, he's the m 1514 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,880 Speaker 1: v P of the NBA. Like like Damian Lillard, he 1515 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,240 Speaker 1: got you just go down on the list. There's so 1516 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:11,320 Speaker 1: much c J. McCollum, there's there's just they're just Damian 1517 01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,880 Speaker 1: Damian Lillard. Here, here's here, here's one for you. Okay. So, 1518 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,400 Speaker 1: so Damian Lillard's from Oakland. My brothers at CAW and 1519 01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,639 Speaker 1: I was like, look, he was always you know, six 1520 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,360 Speaker 1: ft six one two guards. Like I liked him. It's 1521 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,400 Speaker 1: like I liked him a lot. He's like, but you know, 1522 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: it's like he was. He was a six ft six 1523 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 1: one two guard and in the Pact twelve, you know 1524 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,760 Speaker 1: at that time, you know, we you know, they had 1525 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, Alan Crab who became a you know, became 1526 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,519 Speaker 1: a pro, and and others kind of kind of like that, 1527 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,559 Speaker 1: you know. And so but Damian Lillard went to Weber 1528 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,280 Speaker 1: and got a chance to play, and the whole offense 1529 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,680 Speaker 1: was designed around him. And there's there's something too that 1530 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,240 Speaker 1: experience that's that's gained. It's like, uh, you know, so 1531 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,760 Speaker 1: kids are so now skewed by what they see in 1532 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: the NBA where all these guys playing with these dream teams, 1533 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,160 Speaker 1: where you really are better off on some of especially 1534 01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,360 Speaker 1: for development, getting a chance to do do it and 1535 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: maybe having something built around you instead of being part 1536 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,600 Speaker 1: of a cog. You have to you have to know 1537 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,200 Speaker 1: yourself and how you function and how you're gonna succeed. 1538 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,440 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean Damian Lillard, c J mccollumns 1539 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,680 Speaker 1: are those are a couple of incredible examples, and we 1540 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,720 Speaker 1: try to use that with recruiting and we've been able 1541 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: to get some pretty happy having like our kid Jeremy Harris, 1542 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,160 Speaker 1: that's really good that that killed DeAndre a and in 1543 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,840 Speaker 1: the tournament, like he he visited he had high major 1544 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,960 Speaker 1: offers coming out of junior college. He was mature enough 1545 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,400 Speaker 1: to know, like, so he comes off his junior year, 1546 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 1: he like if you go look at his numbers last 1547 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,559 Speaker 1: year in his first ten games, but basically the first 1548 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,680 Speaker 1: half of the season until we got the conference, he 1549 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,519 Speaker 1: was bad, Like he struggled. So if he had gone 1550 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,960 Speaker 1: to a high major, like he visited Texas Tech before 1551 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,360 Speaker 1: we got into here, Like if he'd gone to a 1552 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,320 Speaker 1: high major, he probably doesn't keep playing like I just 1553 01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,599 Speaker 1: I just kept playing them, like I know how good 1554 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,720 Speaker 1: you can be, and I've got all the confidence that 1555 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna get there. But if you go somewhere else where, 1556 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,880 Speaker 1: they got somebody really really good, you know, like they're 1557 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,720 Speaker 1: probably just gonna play him. So like made a lot 1558 01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,760 Speaker 1: of mistakes, missed a lot of shots, didn't play well 1559 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: for half the year, and then all of a sudden, 1560 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,519 Speaker 1: these the big reason we win an NCA tournament game. 1561 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,600 Speaker 1: Like some some guys, I think some kids with the 1562 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,639 Speaker 1: right people around them are starting to make better decisions 1563 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,400 Speaker 1: in that regard. Yeah, you go somewhere, you're gonna go 1564 01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,479 Speaker 1: somewhere're gonna play. Also, it comes you knowing him, knowing 1565 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,560 Speaker 1: the kid, and you having been a player believing, you know, 1566 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,439 Speaker 1: not killing his confidence because like I played for guys 1567 01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,640 Speaker 1: that you missed shots enough in games, no know what 1568 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,519 Speaker 1: you make in practice, you miss a shot, they take 1569 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 1: you out, and now you're never gonna make a shot 1570 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,160 Speaker 1: because because you're worried if you miss a shot, you're 1571 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,880 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna come out last. Last thing before I 1572 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,360 Speaker 1: let you go, um, alright, So here's the way it's 1573 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,240 Speaker 1: going to work. You make it's reported six grand. Now 1574 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's accurate, but um, you know, 1575 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,479 Speaker 1: let's say you're making slightly north of half a million dollars, 1576 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,880 Speaker 1: which is in comparison to the thirty six you're making, 1577 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,560 Speaker 1: you know it as a as division three assistant and 1578 01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,360 Speaker 1: the you know, probably fifty you are making in Detroit 1579 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,040 Speaker 1: was is you know, light years better. But at some 1580 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 1: point in the in the very near future, somebody's going 1581 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,880 Speaker 1: to offer you something with an additional zero at the 1582 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,479 Speaker 1: end of it. And it's really really, really hard, right 1583 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,280 Speaker 1: like like you said, this is the Buffalo has become home? 1584 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 1: What's that discussion? Like with your wife? What's what's that? 1585 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: And in in your own is it? Is it a number? 1586 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:26,720 Speaker 1: Is it a location? Uh? I mean? And what for 1587 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 1: people who want it? Because because no one's ever really 1588 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,920 Speaker 1: honest about it, right, no one? You're not allowed because 1589 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like I mean, I'm up pretty honestly, 1590 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,920 Speaker 1: Like what am I supposed to come out and say, 1591 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,559 Speaker 1: like I want to get out? Like no, I mean 1592 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,080 Speaker 1: even the guys that are I mean to go back 1593 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,280 Speaker 1: to look with Nick Saban what a week before he 1594 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,000 Speaker 1: took the job. He's you know, like, I mean, what 1595 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,240 Speaker 1: are you supposed to say? But here I'll tell you 1596 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,080 Speaker 1: that because me and my wife was talked about I mean, 1597 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, like, let's not be stupid, like you know, 1598 01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,840 Speaker 1: we're doing pretty well and that's kind of what happens 1599 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,800 Speaker 1: in college basketball. And here here's what we've talked about. 1600 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,040 Speaker 1: We we literally we just bought when I got the 1601 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,519 Speaker 1: head job, I didn't go buy a new house. I've 1602 01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,760 Speaker 1: been living in the same house that I lived in 1603 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,639 Speaker 1: when I was an assistant that I bought basically off 1604 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,040 Speaker 1: my teacher's salary. To I we bought a house when 1605 01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,800 Speaker 1: we moved to Buffalo. We we lived in that same 1606 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,560 Speaker 1: house up until this past summer. We just bought a 1607 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,760 Speaker 1: new house. We've got it on the Niagara River. It's great. 1608 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,840 Speaker 1: We love It's a million dollar house. It's like my 1609 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,960 Speaker 1: wife's dream house. Like she literally just sent me a 1610 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,599 Speaker 1: picture of the sun setting over the river last night. 1611 01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,599 Speaker 1: Thanks for getting me my dream my house. Love. You know, Oh, 1612 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,920 Speaker 1: it's amazing. It's like and I want it's think about 1613 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,640 Speaker 1: the stands for a second. But you need to like 1614 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,479 Speaker 1: mentally take a snapshot, and it's it's great like that 1615 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,759 Speaker 1: that you're you and your wife have that that she's 1616 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,479 Speaker 1: smart enough to understand, like you're out here killing yourself, 1617 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, dining with every game. That's pretty amazing your 1618 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: relationship and what you've been able to provide for your family. 1619 01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,240 Speaker 1: So that's that's awesome. The last the last few years 1620 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,840 Speaker 1: of help to us all that. I mean, you wouldn't 1621 01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,920 Speaker 1: you realize that life and death and go through a 1622 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,960 Speaker 1: lot of stuff like yeah, but but so she so 1623 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,719 Speaker 1: so we we we just had this discussion this past 1624 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,320 Speaker 1: week because because it came up last year, we were 1625 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,200 Speaker 1: right no one the back and we were rolling through 1626 01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,679 Speaker 1: it and people are starting to talk and the school 1627 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,640 Speaker 1: knew it, and Alan takes the job at Auburn and 1628 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,760 Speaker 1: so Cathy twists are you know, the interim a d 1629 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,400 Speaker 1: wants to redo my contract and they did. They came 1630 01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: through and but me and Crystal talked about it and 1631 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,280 Speaker 1: we we literally started praying, you know, I don't know 1632 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,519 Speaker 1: if I would say every night, but but very frequently, 1633 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,600 Speaker 1: like God like make it crystal clear what what we 1634 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,280 Speaker 1: should do. We we didn't really want to leave, and 1635 01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,360 Speaker 1: but at the same time, neither of us came from money, 1636 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't have money, said in the bait. My 1637 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,599 Speaker 1: dad doesn't have a bunch of money. I mean he's 1638 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, like I don't come from money. So so 1639 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 1: if somebody offers, you say, and you're looking at these 1640 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,360 Speaker 1: different jobs that people are talking about and they're all 1641 01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:55,600 Speaker 1: paying like two point whatever, like there's a lot of 1642 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,760 Speaker 1: money to turn down. Forget it was high school coach 1643 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,400 Speaker 1: five years ago. So we we pray, let's make this 1644 01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,800 Speaker 1: crystal clear. So the school comes up with a great can. 1645 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,280 Speaker 1: It's public nowled just out there. It says state school 1646 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,120 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars a year for five years. So so 1647 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,040 Speaker 1: to me, that's great. Like I signed it before we 1648 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,600 Speaker 1: when before we even went to the MAC tournament, like 1649 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 1: I want to be here. I got a great group 1650 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,719 Speaker 1: coming back next year. I don't want to go anywhere. 1651 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,560 Speaker 1: Like if I do go anywhere, it's gonna have to 1652 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 1: be something unbelievable. Great. So so we we signed it, 1653 01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,880 Speaker 1: and we wanted to stay and that's so that's where 1654 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,959 Speaker 1: we stayed. So now you know, we've got five seniors. 1655 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,280 Speaker 1: We still would love to stay in Buffalo, like I 1656 01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,960 Speaker 1: we really like the community. We've got our now our 1657 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,080 Speaker 1: house ends up having some more issues than we thought. 1658 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,880 Speaker 1: And now I gotta pay off all these loans and 1659 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,599 Speaker 1: we cost us more than it's hot. But but we've 1660 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,040 Speaker 1: got you know, like, what do you what do you 1661 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,280 Speaker 1: want a life? I say this thing too, like as 1662 01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,680 Speaker 1: a basketball coach, A little bit of your quality of 1663 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,560 Speaker 1: life and not even a little bit, A lot of 1664 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,640 Speaker 1: your quality of life is winning and losing games. Like 1665 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,519 Speaker 1: I don't care if you're making fifty dollars of a 1666 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,840 Speaker 1: high school coach or if you're making five million dollars. 1667 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 1: If you lose, whether you go home doing you know, 1668 01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,000 Speaker 1: a nice middle class neighborhood, or you go home to 1669 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: a mansion, You're still mad if you lose, Like your 1670 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,760 Speaker 1: quality of life is based on winning and losing basketball 1671 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,960 Speaker 1: games at some level. Now it's not all and what 1672 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,639 Speaker 1: we've been through with crystals, cancer, there's none. It's it's 1673 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,040 Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's a great way of looking. It's that's 1674 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,320 Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone put that into word force. So 1675 01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,200 Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, So so we like we're winning here. 1676 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,160 Speaker 1: People want us here, Like do I go to a 1677 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,960 Speaker 1: high major place that's gonna be really hard to win? 1678 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,160 Speaker 1: And when you don't win. Everybody you want you out 1679 01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,360 Speaker 1: of out of there in two years. Like you know, 1680 01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,160 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of confidence that I can win 1681 01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,600 Speaker 1: wherever I go, and I think I will. But but 1682 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,320 Speaker 1: but do I take that chance? Like we like everybody 1683 01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:59,160 Speaker 1: loves us in Buffalo right now? So now again, you know, 1684 01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,040 Speaker 1: there's a certain amount the money you probably can't turn down, 1685 01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,760 Speaker 1: like but but again, like if you really don't want 1686 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,120 Speaker 1: to live in that place, and you've got a great 1687 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,800 Speaker 1: place where you're at now, and you're making more money 1688 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,040 Speaker 1: than you thought you'd ever make, like I don't, I 1689 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,160 Speaker 1: don't know that I have to leave. And I've got, 1690 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, some I've got a really good idea now. 1691 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,280 Speaker 1: And Mark all Nuts a great guy. I love him. 1692 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,040 Speaker 1: I think he gets it. But I've got like Alan 1693 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,519 Speaker 1: Greene still talk to him, I still talk to Danny White, 1694 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,240 Speaker 1: Like even last year, as it came up, I I 1695 01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,400 Speaker 1: called some mentors, you know, like, Hey, if such and 1696 01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,280 Speaker 1: such offers me the job, do you do you think 1697 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,160 Speaker 1: I have to take it? And like one of them said, 1698 01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,800 Speaker 1: why why why do you think you? Like? No, like 1699 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,840 Speaker 1: stay we're at we're happy, you don't have to take it, 1700 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,080 Speaker 1: like wait for and he was right like wait, wait 1701 01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,599 Speaker 1: for the perfect job, and the perfect job look at 1702 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,920 Speaker 1: Mark few Kinzaya, like how much Like I'd like to 1703 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,720 Speaker 1: know what he made for Daga. You know, it's what's 1704 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,320 Speaker 1: interesting about for you. And I'm gonna have him on 1705 01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,000 Speaker 1: the pot and I'll see if I can get him 1706 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,400 Speaker 1: to admit it. But you know, he um, he'd been 1707 01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:04,880 Speaker 1: on He's been offered the U c l A job 1708 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,439 Speaker 1: before and turned it down, but he was there was 1709 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,400 Speaker 1: a plane waiting to take him to Indiana. I think 1710 01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,040 Speaker 1: it's when Kelvin got the job and he turned it down. 1711 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,200 Speaker 1: I remember talking to him like two days later and 1712 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,040 Speaker 1: he was like, I can't believe I turned down. And 1713 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,040 Speaker 1: I had there was a plane on the runway in 1714 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,840 Speaker 1: Spokane and they were like if you want to get 1715 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,200 Speaker 1: on the plane, and I didn't do it. He's like 1716 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,120 Speaker 1: can you believe? Like and he's similarly to like, you know, 1717 01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,759 Speaker 1: your your dad obviously religious background. His dad is a pastor, 1718 01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,479 Speaker 1: um you know, assaulted the earth like legit, really good 1719 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,599 Speaker 1: human being and he's like, you know, I mean anyone 1720 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,680 Speaker 1: in the world who grew up around our age is 1721 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,360 Speaker 1: like Indiana basketball. You don't you don't get any better 1722 01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,640 Speaker 1: than that turned down Indiana. But I also think it 1723 01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,960 Speaker 1: was a little It's a little bit like a player 1724 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,000 Speaker 1: that could have been draft in the NBA that sometimes 1725 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,240 Speaker 1: they come back to school and they have they carry 1726 01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of bitterness. I don't even think he 1727 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,599 Speaker 1: was bitter, but I do think there was a couple 1728 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,639 Speaker 1: of years there where he was kicking himself because he thought, 1729 01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's this maybe they topped out at Gonzaga 1730 01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,720 Speaker 1: until they got to the lead eight and then got 1731 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,080 Speaker 1: to the you know, national championship game and could have 1732 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:12,920 Speaker 1: won the won the whole thing. And now I think 1733 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,040 Speaker 1: they can they can win it this year. Um. But yeah, 1734 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's a it's a really hard thing 1735 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: and and we do a bad job in the media 1736 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,560 Speaker 1: of of acting like you know, most basketball coaches or 1737 01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,840 Speaker 1: football coaches are just these mercenaries that the second there's 1738 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,160 Speaker 1: a check they just go knowing all the people who 1739 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,799 Speaker 1: affects you know, it affects all the players, that affects 1740 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,559 Speaker 1: all the families of the guys who are on your staff, 1741 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,679 Speaker 1: and affects of course your own family. And it's a really, really, 1742 01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,840 Speaker 1: really hard thing too. You want to you build something 1743 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,879 Speaker 1: and you succeed, You're like, I'm really happy, gonna be happier, 1744 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,439 Speaker 1: you know. You know, like you said, you're competitive about everything, 1745 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,960 Speaker 1: even recruiting and whatever. Of course you want to and 1746 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 1: you've always won, right, you want a romulus, you want 1747 01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,080 Speaker 1: to here. There's no reason you can't win wherever you coach. 1748 01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,439 Speaker 1: On the other hand, you do have to have some 1749 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,000 Speaker 1: balance and the wait, we have our dream house. We 1750 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,560 Speaker 1: know everybody. You know, I can if I want to 1751 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,000 Speaker 1: cancel practice and just hang out with my family, I 1752 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 1: can do that when I don't know if I can 1753 01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,680 Speaker 1: do that. And it's it's a hard thing, right it is. 1754 01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,920 Speaker 1: And you know we're gonna pray, pray a lot about 1755 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,479 Speaker 1: it at night. I'd be really happy at Buffalo for 1756 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,240 Speaker 1: a long time. I can say that. So you know, 1757 01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,200 Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what happens. Hopefully there's some boosters 1758 01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,560 Speaker 1: in Buffalo that, uh, that want me in Buffalo for 1759 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 1: a long time. I think maybe it'll make it real 1760 01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,640 Speaker 1: easy for me. Okay, so I said this last thing. 1761 01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,439 Speaker 1: I lied. You just beat Syracuse. Now you're returning to 1762 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:39,400 Speaker 1: your home state. Take on Marquette in Milwaukee. Marquette draws 1763 01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:44,000 Speaker 1: incredibly well a beautiful downtown downtown arena. What's it gonna be? Like? 1764 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,920 Speaker 1: It's kind of returning home like the conquering hero. But 1765 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,200 Speaker 1: how many friends and family have? So the Watertown Daily 1766 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,800 Speaker 1: Times is the paper from you know, Watertown, and you know, 1767 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,320 Speaker 1: when I'm in high school, you getting them sports. So 1768 01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,080 Speaker 1: that guy called me, was it yesterday? I think two 1769 01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,400 Speaker 1: days ago? Maybe I was yesterday, and I was kind 1770 01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,360 Speaker 1: of cool, like, we you know, my family's all coming. 1771 01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,760 Speaker 1: My sister still lives in Watertown, mothers and still lives 1772 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,000 Speaker 1: up in northern Wisconsin. They're coming. My parents will be there. 1773 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,760 Speaker 1: They it'll be fun, They'll be you know, it's gonna 1774 01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,320 Speaker 1: be a hard win to get. Shoot, you're not gonna 1775 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,679 Speaker 1: sneak up at Marquette like we're reading fourteen and they're 1776 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,280 Speaker 1: really talented. But just I've never been in the New 1777 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,960 Speaker 1: are reading either. I used to always you know, I've 1778 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,840 Speaker 1: been to Marquete games as a kid. I've been to 1779 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,160 Speaker 1: tons of Bucks games. I used to buy Bucks tickets 1780 01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,280 Speaker 1: the cheap ones up at the top and sneak down 1781 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,960 Speaker 1: and watch them and the Bradley. The new Arena is 1782 01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be awesome, So, uh, it's gonna be fun. 1783 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,360 Speaker 1: I've got, well, like I've got I don't know what 1784 01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,320 Speaker 1: I got six or seven like high school classmates, teammates 1785 01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,960 Speaker 1: that are coming to watch, and then I think we're 1786 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,240 Speaker 1: gonna go out for breakfast Saturday morning after the game, 1787 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,639 Speaker 1: which was but I haven't seen some of them since 1788 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,240 Speaker 1: shoot that not too long after high school. So it's 1789 01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,600 Speaker 1: kind of cool, you know, coming act, but get it. 1790 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,560 Speaker 1: Once the ball goes up, none of that stuff, like 1791 01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,160 Speaker 1: I know, like you you know, we're at behind a 1792 01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Venture and the crowd was going crazy and my assistance 1793 01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,880 Speaker 1: and some other play fans. My wife kind of told 1794 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,120 Speaker 1: me some stuff that they were channing, which was completely 1795 01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,560 Speaker 1: out of control whatever, Like I hear none of that 1796 01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,120 Speaker 1: stuff like during the game, like like they're like, you 1797 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,160 Speaker 1: didn't hear it? I said, no, I I literally I don't. 1798 01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,160 Speaker 1: Once the ball goes up, like I don't like people 1799 01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,599 Speaker 1: yell trade he stuff and my wife has to deal 1800 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,439 Speaker 1: with in the stands, Like I don't. I don't even 1801 01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,519 Speaker 1: really hear most of it. So like, once the ball 1802 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,320 Speaker 1: goes up, it's gonna be another shoot. It could be 1803 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,320 Speaker 1: an AU game back at Rhyme or not a Summer 1804 01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: League game back at Rhymes but you just kind of 1805 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,760 Speaker 1: get lost in the game and coach it and try 1806 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,800 Speaker 1: to figure out to get away. And then you know, 1807 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,680 Speaker 1: after the game, I think it'll be cool. You got 1808 01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of family and friends there, but it's good. 1809 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,280 Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna stay here. Then we're all all 1810 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,439 Speaker 1: of our guys are leap flying out of either Milwaukee 1811 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,120 Speaker 1: or Chicago based on whether they can get the recks 1812 01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,080 Speaker 1: to go home. And then we're gonna reconvene December six. 1813 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,439 Speaker 1: Must stay here for Christmas and do Christmas with my family, 1814 01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 1: which I don't get to do that often, so it'll 1815 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:11,880 Speaker 1: be nice. Perfect well, listen, um, merry Christmas. Continued success, 1816 01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,840 Speaker 1: enjoy Milwaukee, my my birthplace. I got Butler tomorrow night 1817 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,519 Speaker 1: against u C. I U see, I actually got a 1818 01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,519 Speaker 1: really good, good club. I can't wait to see you 1819 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,840 Speaker 1: against the Warriors. You know who didn't grow up watching 1820 01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Marquette Do they still do they still do the Warriors? Chad? No, no, no, 1821 01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,000 Speaker 1: Now they're the Golden Eagles. It's just but for a 1822 01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,559 Speaker 1: while there they were still like, let's go Warriors, even 1823 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,960 Speaker 1: though they were the Golden Eagles, because so they must 1824 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 1: have dropped that they must not do that anymore. I 1825 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,160 Speaker 1: gotta tell you know, I visited Marquette and nearly went 1826 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:51,120 Speaker 1: there when I left Notre Dame. Mike Dean was the coach. Remember, yeah, 1827 01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, my my favorite. I thought he had sunglasses 1828 01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:56,920 Speaker 1: on when he was coaching the game. Remember he used 1829 01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,960 Speaker 1: to have the dark and classes. He had the lady 1830 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,759 Speaker 1: He hasn't he hasn't. He had I dizzy eye condition 1831 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,280 Speaker 1: and when the stress would would come on, he would 1832 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,519 Speaker 1: uh uh he would, he would he'd start yelling at dudes. 1833 01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,599 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the eye would get super lazy, 1834 01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,759 Speaker 1: and that that's actually I don't know if you remember 1835 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,559 Speaker 1: he got kicked out an n c A tournament game 1836 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,880 Speaker 1: because Chris Piper got fouled and he took off his 1837 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:24,000 Speaker 1: sunglasses and he told the official, I got one fucking 1838 01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,760 Speaker 1: eye and I could see that that got him run 1839 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,360 Speaker 1: from the n c A tournament game. I remember that 1840 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,400 Speaker 1: he was he was abute, one of one, and I 1841 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,960 Speaker 1: still have it. He wrote me a four page letter 1842 01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,840 Speaker 1: after I visited on why I should come play for 1843 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:44,400 Speaker 1: him and between my relationship with him. Yeah, I mean 1844 01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,799 Speaker 1: he's a really he did an amazing job in recruiting 1845 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,640 Speaker 1: because you know, I went to a Catholic school of 1846 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,400 Speaker 1: Notre Dame and it didn't it wasn't a good fit 1847 01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,719 Speaker 1: for me, but I really and even though he played slow, 1848 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,960 Speaker 1: he did he had another little point guard and he 1849 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,880 Speaker 1: wants us to play together. And you know, he he 1850 01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,000 Speaker 1: showed me he had this. He had an entire set 1851 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,160 Speaker 1: of plays. These are for you, these are everybody else. 1852 01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,720 Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna play. He was amazing. Um. 1853 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,160 Speaker 1: And then you know he went to Lamar and got 1854 01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:09,680 Speaker 1: them to the n s A tournament. He used it. 1855 01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,160 Speaker 1: He was at Sienna a long time ago. They yet 1856 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,840 Speaker 1: a kid did Brennaman Marius Brennaman I think was? He 1857 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,080 Speaker 1: showed me videos of anyway, Yeah, nearly nearly went there. 1858 01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,479 Speaker 1: I actually worked his camp, worked his camp after I 1859 01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,600 Speaker 1: turned him down and went to Oaklahoma State. He's like like, 1860 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,519 Speaker 1: I don't care, just come work my camp. It's a 1861 01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,880 Speaker 1: great time. And in typical Wisconstant fashion, he had a 1862 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,680 Speaker 1: keg in the coaches locker room for camp and he's like, 1863 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:45,639 Speaker 1: I expect that keg to be floated by Thursday. Hey listen, 1864 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,800 Speaker 1: welcome home, Best of Luck Saturday on on Fox and 1865 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,960 Speaker 1: having Merry Christmas and thanks for joining me. All right, 1866 01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:56,200 Speaker 1: thanks appreciated. Hey, thanks so much for listening to the 1867 01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,960 Speaker 1: All Ball Podcast. This is obviously the last pot I've 1868 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,559 Speaker 1: believe before Christmas. We're gonna record a couple of things 1869 01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,960 Speaker 1: next next week. Um, maybe even get one in so 1870 01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,840 Speaker 1: that after Christmas, when you're driving around your significant other 1871 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,760 Speaker 1: or you're going to a basketball tournament or going to 1872 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,479 Speaker 1: a basketball game, you have an AU team you can 1873 01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,000 Speaker 1: you can listen to our pod and take it, take 1874 01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,920 Speaker 1: it with you. But um, I just I want to 1875 01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,840 Speaker 1: wish all of you a merry Christmas, a happy New Year. 1876 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,160 Speaker 1: And if you listen to this pod, you love basketball. 1877 01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,160 Speaker 1: This is basketball season. There's nothing like a gym, man 1878 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,080 Speaker 1: where it's a high school gym, a college Jim. Um, 1879 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, a rect League Jim. So feel free to 1880 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,000 Speaker 1: tweet at me at Gottlieb Show when you go to 1881 01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,720 Speaker 1: a gym. Kind of unique gyms around the country. I 1882 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,280 Speaker 1: can think of so many in Las Vegas the lead 1883 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,200 Speaker 1: of Boys Club where you we always used to to 1884 01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:48,480 Speaker 1: play at in February. What Valentine's Day weekend? Um, were 1885 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,439 Speaker 1: all the gyms in Orange County that I've been to, 1886 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,599 Speaker 1: and of course the gym's that have been nationwide, from 1887 01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,880 Speaker 1: from all the colleges that I've covered to high schools 1888 01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,559 Speaker 1: that sometimes host practices to international gems. If you're going 1889 01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,639 Speaker 1: to a gym, tell a friend about the All Ball 1890 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,040 Speaker 1: podcast and take it with you and tweet us. Out 1891 01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,840 Speaker 1: of picture at gottlieb Show is the Twitter handle. So 1892 01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. I hope you're safe, hope 1893 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,960 Speaker 1: your team is playing well, and if not, don't worry. 1894 01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,120 Speaker 1: There's another game around the corner where you can compete 1895 01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully your guys get after it. Thanks so much 1896 01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,320 Speaker 1: for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieban. This is All Ball.